Has Nintendo's censoring gone too far now?
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They're actively censoring EVERYTHING sexual related as of late. Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Bravely Default... what's the next target on their list? Probably Fire Emblem Fates.
When will blind fanboys stop accepting this by keeping buying their shit, instead of boycotting this SJW crap?
lol i don't care
>>316490519
You ignorant fuck.
>>316490838
Look, why don't you just join the right side of history?
>>316489998
Is Peach showing her ass? :O
Not the first time.
Because in the long run I really don't give a fuck. If the gameplay is still intact and they're not literally cutting parts of the story out, it isn't that big of a deal.
I can appreciate some people will be upset over something like that and I understand their viewpoint, but I just don't feel the same way.
>>316489998
Its almost like NOA is marketing to children.
>>316491603
WTF is that?
>>316489998
It's at the point where I think it's really fucking weird. I don't own a Nintendo console so it doesn't affect me but it's clearly a Nintendo decision at this point, not the Devs and I don't understand it.
They're doing it in games marketed toward adults so I don't know who they're protecting.
>>316489998
Nintendo's been censoring stuff in their games since forever.
Does anyone else here remember the SNES ports of Final Fight and Street Fighter Alpha 2? One of the characters in those games was a hardcore weeb named Sodom. The SNES ports renamed him "Katana".
You're a retard if you care about some video game girl not wearing skimpy enough clothing for your liking.
>>316493652
You're a retard ifnyou don't see the issue with removing that option from the game for the purpose of censorship.
>>316492046
Supposedly what they were going to do with the SNES port of SSF2.
>>316489998
But why should I care, anon?
Most of these games I'm only playing because of the story/gameplay, why should I give a fuck because some lewd outfits aren't available or I can't make a character with cow-tits?
Once the censorship actually becomes a hindrance to the gameplay, sure, then it's a problem. But as far as the games I care about that have been censored? It's really not a problem.
>>316491603
Shit, I can't believe their policies remain the same as 25 years ago
>>316489998
They are kids games you sad fuck
>>316493374
1) There's a difference between the censorship that happened before the ESRB was created, and after it. Comparing cases of censorship 25 years ago doesn't make sense.
2) Just because it happened before, doesn't mean it's fine retard.
>>316496003
sure it doesn't affect gameplay but why is okay? i don't care about the lewd outfits or boobslider what i care about is what they will change next
Why are changes to clothing specifically unacceptable?
If they change characters to be frowning more, which they have, or to have bushier eyebrows, which they have, or any other manner of little tweak that they make for a localization
You won't hear a goddamn peep out of anyone
Any other edit at all.
But all of a sudden you show an inch less of thigh and you're all about preserving the artistic integrity of the game?
Fucking hilarious, and extremely suspect.
>>316496003
>why should I give a fuck because some lewd outfits aren't available or I can't make a character with cow-tits?
Because they're taking something away from you for tenuous reasons. There are tons of optional things in games that aren't necessary, but it'd be stupid to arbitrarily remove them.
>Once the censorship actually becomes a hindrance to the gameplay
You're a fucking retard. Censorship almost never affects gameplay, doesn't mean you should take it in the ass when censors decide what you can and can't see or hear.
>>316493801
Why aren't you complaining about Japan removing entire scenes from MGSV because of violence censorship? Or the bullshit in Germany? Every country has to deal with this shit in one way or another, and unless you're a political faggot who literallly "votes" with their wallet this is no fucking big deal in the big picture. There's no grey area for you people, it's either you have to do things the "ethical" way or not at all. Worse than those hardcore vegan types. No fucking real reason to boycott an otherwise great game in service of your goddamn twisted sense of justice.
>>316497175
>Fucking hilarious, and extremely suspect.
Because in one case they're removing something because they think it's too offensive, for moral or political reasons essentially. There's no reason why objectionable content should be off-limiti n media, regardless of the country. In the other case, they're just changing something because they want to or because people will like it better on a purely aethetic level. They're totally different things.
Also the changes to clothing are the most common form and other things related to that are the most common form of censorship now here, so of course it's what will come up most often.
Jesus, /v/ is full of brainwashed Reddit/Tumblr fucks now.
>>316497393
>Why aren't you complaining about Japan removing entire scenes from MGSV because of violence censorship? Or the bullshit in Germany?
Because most people here don't live there? I do make fun of and criticize the ridiculously strict regulations in Germany, but it's pretty irrelevant to me. Germans should complain about it.
>>316496928
Fatal Frame is rated M for Mature you sad fuck. Checkmate, atheists.
>>316497632
>Because in one case they're removing something because they think it's too offensive
no they aren't
they're removing it for the same reason all the other changes are being made
market sensibilities
There are no laws saying you can't be in a bra and panties in a game in NA
What there is is a different group of people and it turns out different things sell in different countries—and wouldn't you know it publishers pay people to do this kind of market research for them!
There is literally no difference in motivation when it comes to localization between replacing a bikini costume and painting frowny eyes on kirby.
There is a difference to you, though: you can't get a stiffy from a frowning kirbypleb, so cut the fucking crap, stop trying to pretend like this is some noble stand to take for artistic integrity when in all other situations you don't give a fuck.
>>316497393
I do. I have problems with censorship of any kind and will never buy a game that's been artistically compromised just because it makes someone uneasy.
>>316497632
>someone disagrees with me, they must have invaded from a different site!
>is probably born in the 90s
Go hang out with some soccer moms with that halfhearted moral outrage of yours
>>316489998
Well I just hope that the Cloud announcement for Smash doesn't mean that the NX will get the FFVII remake.
They would just give Tifa small breasts and ruin her
>>316498695
>artistically compromised
By buying a translated game, you are already doing just that. You will NEVER be japanese and understand all the nuances of the language. oh also
>games are art
>>316489998
Who fucking cares? So long as gameplay/story stays solid.
>>316497115
le slippery slope argument
>>316498212
>market sensibilities
No, in some cases it's just a stupid personal decision on the part of the localization team. There was literally someone who worked at Aksys who said one of the best parts of localization was being able to remove the parts he doesn't like. In this case it's not market sensibilities.
Sometimes they're just considering a small number of people from a certain region who shouldn't be catered to at the expensve of people who want all the content in the game.
In the case of Fatal Frame 5, removing the costumes and changing a scene made no sense. It's a very niche game, only released on Wii U on the eShop with no physical release, and the costumes are only unlocked after multiple playthroughs so most people who don't want to wouldn't get to see them.
>There are no laws saying you can't be in a bra and panties in a game in NA
So what? There are other agencies and group that can cause censorship, the content doesn't have to be illegal moron.
>There is literally no difference in motivation when it comes to localization between replacing a bikini costume and painting frowny eyes on kirby.
Yes there is. One is removing content because it's considered too offensive/objectionable, the other is changing box art because people be more willing to buy a box with an angry Kirby on it.
>stop trying to pretend like this is some noble stand to take for artistic integrity when in all other situations you don't give a fuck.
But I do give a fuck, sometimes I even comment on Australian/European censorship like how they censored Stick of Truth because it's so ridiculous over there. But since it's not relevant to me as much, I don't complain about it. I complain about any kind of content like violence, sex, religious imagery being changed or removed for stupid reasons.
>>316498739
>someone disagrees with me, they must have invaded from a different site!
They are. Literally no one defended censorship before last year. All the fuckers who defend censorship are brainwashed retards from other sites, mostly Tumblr.
>Go hang out with some soccer moms with that halfhearted moral outrage of yours
You do realize the moral outrage soccer moms are/were the ones causing the censorship, not complaining about censorship? Your argument makes no sense, but nice job trying to turn it around.
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>>316489998
>Nintendo is taking panty shots out of games they're trying to get rated T!
>BOYCOTT BOYCOTT!
>IT'S DA SJW'S!
Step it up ,Senpai
Desu~
>>316498913
>Who fucking cares?
People who have a brain and don't want shit to be censored for no reason?
>>316498996
Not the one you're replying to, but you are seriously terrible at arguing. is English your 2nd language?
>>316499243
Oh boo hoo a panty shot got removed. Get over yourself you pathetic fuck
>>316499203
>>Nintendo is taking panty shots out of games they're trying to get rated T
Fatal Frame 5 is rated M. Stop trying to steal desu you delusional tumblrcunt.
Also Senran Kagura is rated T, there's no way slightly altering shit like this can change the rating.
>>316498695
>>316498996
But that's what these changes are really about
what sells in the NA market
none of these companies are going "well, this is going to sell just fine but but let's cut out this demographic of people who like scantily clad people in their videogames because we wouldn't want to offend anyone"
they're doing it because they can sell to more people in the NA market without those things than they can with them
and the same metric is applied to literally every single localization change that isn't tied to legislation (i.e. shit like Germany's tighter restrictions on gore/nazi paraphernalia)
So to say that THIS is where we take a stand for artistic integrity while ignoring everything else is disingenuous as fuck.
>>316499436
It's not limited to panty shots you braindead shit.
>>316499332
What do you take issue with? You haven't really said anything.
>>316490519
This. If I want lewd shit there are plenty of places to see shit online. As long as portions of gameplay aren't removed, then why care?
>>316499168
I'm not defending censorship. I just don't give a shit in this regard. I care about gameplay, and none of these omissions detract from the gameplay. This isn't a film or a book, it's a product that I use.
Plenty of other people here would say the same thing, ones who don't go to your boogeyman websites either.
>>316489998
>nintendo makes one english version for normal countries and australia
>ignore australia's documented history with rigid standards, bans, and censorship
>blame relatively new american rise in SJW movement
>>316499534
Oh sorry, I forgot about the skimpy outfits too. Get over yourself you pathetic fuck
>>316498996
I know who you're talking about, and trust me, that kind of attitude is horrendous. But can you prove anybody at Nontendo has the same sentiments? If you can't what you're doing is entirely conjecture.
It's because of age laws. Can't sexualize minors. Sucks but there's nothing we can do about it
>>316489998
Yeah I'm a little annoyed by the censoring and I think it's better without, but in the end what I care about is the gameplay and story. As long as those aren't affected I don't really care.
>>316499658
>I just don't give a shit in this regard. I care about gameplay, and none of these omissions detract from the gameplay.
No that's just a bullshit excuse. You say you don't care and you're not defending it but you're coming into a thread and saying anyone who cares about it should stop caring about it. That's defending it, but pretending you're not, and it's something people like you like to do.
>This isn't a film or a book, it's a product that I use.
They're all products you fucking mongoloid. There's no reason not to apply those standards to every medium, especially when games can contain movies.
>Plenty of other people here would say the same thing, ones who don't go to your boogeyman websites either.
They're all tumblrshits like yourself.
Stupid ESRB!
Stupid NoA!
Stupid SJWs!
It's not censorship, it's capitalism.
Where are all the adult films nowadays? Why is there no blood in new Die Hard movies? Censorship? No, it's the rating system. Studios are ALLOWED to make bloodbath movies, but they don't, because lower ratings means more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. They didn't stop making bloody movies like Robocop because of a social justice outcry, they didn't do it because they felt it was the right thing to do, they didn't do it because of pressure from the government. They did it for the cash. And the same is happening with Nintendo right now.
Oppose it if you want, I'd even join you in opposing it, if the entire debate wasn't constantly being hijacked by FUCKING RETARDS who want to cry about liberals and SJWs yet again as if we didn't get the fucking message 12 months ago.
>>316499460
>stop trying to steal desu
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch Desu~? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, Desu~, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, Desu~, and I have over 300 confirmed kills Desu~. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces Desu~. You are nothing to me but just another target Desu~. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, Desu~, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet Desu~? Think again, fucker Desu~. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, Desu~. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life Desu~. You’re fucking dead Desu~. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands Desu~. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent Desu~. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue Desu~. But you couldn’t, Desu~, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price Desu~. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it Desu~. You’re fucking dead, Desu~.
>not learning japanese
what's your excuse
>>316499979
>They did it for the cash. And the same is happening with Nintendo right now.
The math is pretty simple
(expected sales in Australia)>(expected losses from boob slider removal)
>>316499959
What I love about the Australian censorship is that it's all being done by conservatives. Australia has a very right-wing government. And yet there are fucking 12 year olds on /v/ who insist it's THE FEMINISTS and THE LIBERALS who are really behind it all.
>>316499959
>>316499742
Australia is different from America you dumb fuck. They censor things for different reasons and it's always stupid. People have been laughing at Australia and their "high-impact sexual violence", and how they ban everything for years.
>>316500149
GTA5 being removed from a store was due to feminist complaints.
Games like Hotline Miami 2 and Hatred being banned was because politicians make decisions based on what they read in the media, and the SJWs in the media were talking about a fake "rape scene" in Hotline Miami 2, which is why they banned it.
>>316489998
I already sold my wiiU. I'm tired of this shit.
>>316499939
I would do the same thing to those who find a tranny joke or a racist thing in a game offensive. I bet you would too. I jist don't give a fuck, it does not affect my enjoyment of a game. Also, games are not art in the same sense that films and books are. You can remove systems and aesthetics from a game and still have the same core concept intact, whereas censoring a scene from a book or film will likely change the work as a whole. Nice ad hominems though, buddy. Why not devote this kind of passionate rage to something worthwhile? Go campaign for Trump door to door or something.
>>316500161
What's your point?
NoA is making one version that's going to all the english speaking regions
Don't worry guys, when Trump wins, he and his party will definitely lower the age of consent all across America and then Japanese videogames which feature sexualization of minors will no longer be censored.
RIGHT? THIS IS TRUE, RIGHT? BASED MILO WOULDN'T LEAD US DOWN THE WRONG PATH WOULD HE?
>>316500161
Australia and Germany have true censorship and deserve outrage, as they actually prevent games from being purchased.
>>316499473
As I already said, the censorship in Fatal Frame makes no sense. All the people buying a Fatal Frame on Wii U, digitally are not gonna care about optional costumes that were always there. It's gonna sell in the thousands and no censorship is gonna affect that number positively.
>So to say that THIS is where we take a stand for artistic integrity while ignoring everything else is disingenuous as fuck.
I already said I complain about other instances of censorship. I'm not making a grand trand about this in particular, it's just relevant here since it's the gaming board and I play games, and I live in North America, and it's what the thread is about.
"blah blah capitalism" "blah companies localization money" are just bullshit excuses to defend censorship when you should be crititicizing it instead.
>>316500325
So you admit it's the right wing government who actually have the power to censor the games, and should be held accountable?
WHOOPS NOPE GOTTA PULL A BUNCH OF MENTAL LEAPS TO KEEP BLAMING LIBERALS AND SJWS FOR LEADING OUR POOR INNOCENT RIGHT-WING GOVERNMENT ASTRAY
>It's OK to send a "thirteen" (13) [XIII] year old girl into combat where she can die
>It's not okay to put her in a bikini
>>316500470
>Trump
>will start the pedosexual revolution
Actually he's the only one who can stop it. You might want to vote for Bernie if that sort of thing is your bag.
Nintendo doesn't have a problem with publishing games with sexualized characters. It's only a problem for them when those characters are under 18, like in Fatal Frame and Xenoblade X
>>316500593
>"blah blah capitalism"
Holy shit you are such a goddamn retard. You almost definitely were in GG with brains as shitty as yours.
You seriously want to brush aside any discussion of the financial aspects behind these decisions? Why even pretend you want to talk about the issue at all then? "blah blah capitalism" jesus fucking christ go back to 8gag.
>guys stop talking about the financial influence behind these decisions just post "fucking sjws!!!" over and over again
>mfw Nintendo has been doing this since the start of their fucking company and just now in the last 5 years have horny sexed deprived weebs complained about it
>mfw they will say they've always cared about it but we all know they're fucking lying fuccbois
>>316489998
The fatal frame thing really bothers me. Because it's a goddamn M rated game. Let the weebs have their fapbait. Jesus christ.
>>316500376
>I would do the same thing to those who find a tranny joke or a racist thing in a game offensive. I bet you would too.
It's different. One is trying to remove things they find offensive, the other is trying to stop people from removing things other people find offensive. It's a different position. One is just, the other is wrong.
>I jist don't give a fuck, it does not affect my enjoyment of a game
Then stop defending it and emphasizing how much you don't give a fuck. If you truly don't give a fuck, ignore the subject.
>Also, games are not art in the same sense that films and books are.
Yes, they are, especially nowadays a,d especially when moviegames exist. They can contain the same themes, elements, etc. There's no reason why you would care about one or the other. People used to say the same thing about movies you know.
>Nice ad hominems though, buddy
They're relevant. The only reason you're defending censorship is because you're from tumblr and have an agenda. So in this case it's relevant.
>Why not devote this kind of passionate rage to something worthwhile?
I do, but since I also play games and I'm on a gaming board, I'm also concerned with videogame censorship. Makes sense.
I posted this in the Xenoblade thread less than a minute before it died, so I guess I'll post it again, even if no one cares.
This will just cause them to lose more sales than they'll gain, if it even gained them any to begin with.
You really can't win with this game, if you don't support it they won't see the point in localizing more, if you do you support their practices
I'm going to play as a male character anyway but it's dumb that people aren't allowed to make their character with a character creator that has all the features of the original japanese version's character creator
>>316500376
You do realize in the case of Fatal Frame, they removed not only an unlockable skimpy outfit but also a gravure model wearing a bikini in a scene that was supposed to be uncomfortable to show how that lifestyle is
That is the definition of "bad" censoring, according to you, as it alters the story. But, I'm with you OP, I don't know what happened to the concensus around here lately. Half the responses are literally "I don't care/mind if it doesn't affect gaemplay." It's a shame, cause this site used to be one of the few places where the majority did discuss videogames as though they were a respectible medium. Idk the issue, maybe now the "normies," by which I mean those less dependant on videogames as a means of entertainment and socializing, come here to laugh at the /v/irgins cause thats what they do in their highschool.
>>316500756
>sex and violence are the same thing
That's exactly the fucked up kind of reasoning that makes these censorship problems as bad as they are
>>316500912
What if I told you i don even want Xenoblade but I hate censorship
>>316499979
self-censorship for financial gain is still censorship. look it up, there are dozens of articles and papers written about it. and more generally
>"The fact that this censorship may have a laudable ulterior purpose cannot mean that censorship is not censorship."
>U.S. Supreme Court
>>316500859
That's only because you can't cencor the entirety of Bayonetta, and it's was at the time somewhat of a system seller. Thatja from Fire Emblem isn't underaged, but they cencored her.
>>316500404
The other guy's point was that Australian censorship happens so all censorship should be fine and moral authorities like SJWs aren't a problem. I was saying Australian censorship is different, so his point is moot.
>>316500485
It's all "true" censorship you fucking moron. It's doesn't have to be caused by the government. And people do complain about the censorship in Australia because it's so ridiculous, but for most people it doesn't affect them. Doesn't mean other instacne of censorship in other countries should be ignored just because other countries outright ban games.
>>316500631
>So you admit it's the right wing government who actually have the power to censor the games, and should be held accountable?
Yes?
>>316501130
You wouldn't even care about this if you didn't feel like DA SCURRY SJWS ARE WINNING when you can't see lewd shit in your translated video games. Face the facts, if devs and pubs want their game to sell more they have to play ball with ESRB. If you don't want to have to deal with the ESRB you go the doujin route like everyone else does. If you don't go that route you're fine with censoring your product for mass consumption. PR struggles are far worse than making 45 weebs happy you left that pointless bikini in.
Now get fucked.
>>316499203
>being a fanatical religious normie that enter rape frenzy at the sight of normal human bodies
never, ever, normie.
>>316501292
XSeed has said on numerous occasions that the ESRB doesn't give a fuck.
>>316501292
>ur just mad u cant be a pedo XDD
Why do pro censor fags think this is what this is about?
>>316500859
Bayonetta 2 got an M15+ rating in Australia, meaning you need an adult to buy it with you if you're under 15.
Similar to going PG-13 instead of R, or T instead of M, NoA is likely trying to get their Australian rating of Xenoblade down to an M (recommended for people over 15 but not legally enforced)
Whats the NoA email so I can rant about their censorship?
or what should I do?
Reminder to boycott and specify /why/ you aren't buying a particular game to them
>>316501234
yeah the swimsuit shit with Tharja was dumb, but it's not like they censored her outfit which was pretty revealing too
>>316501130
The point is that the bottom line is money is the motivator. Simple as that and end of discussion. Unless you can find 1 million people who say "we're going to buy the game, for certain, JUST because of the little girl in the bikini" then it's still financially the wise choice to not risk it and take it out.
End of fucking story. Now find me those 1 million pedos or cry some more.
I want my untraviolent movies back, but I won't get them as long as millions of tweens and chinese people are going to see 12A rated movies.
Shit sucks but that's your precious capitalism at work, folks.
And to think libertarians still believe the free market will make everything great.
>>316501349
They give absolutely no shit about games they know are going to sell 9 copies (like all xseed games). So they probably don't even actually look at the product. For something that has a kid friendly reputation (ie literally everything Nintendo makes) the ESRB is going to crack down way more. Especially if they expect it to be a big seller. You don't trust a company that sells less copies of their games than actual paid for doujin games.
>>316500880
>You seriously want to brush aside any discussion of the financial aspects behind these decisions?
I don't, I even addressed it earlier. It's just that it's often used by pro-censorship people to defend censorship.
>they're just censoring it to make more money!
It's a stupid excuse that can be used to defend any instance of censorship, with nothing to back it up. In some cases it's clear that it won't make them more money, and even in cases where it does, this argument that is used to defend microtransactions and every shitty business practice under the sun.
>>316501292
ESRB demonstrably does not care and anybody who wasn't interested is going to take a second look because things got removed from the game. This can inly hurt sales.
>>316489998
This is the most pathetic thread on /v/ right now.
>>316501439
Stay strong, brother!
>>316501531
Why did they censor Fatal Frame then, a Mature-rated game?
>>316501493
There it is though. It's extraordinarily minor, why do it? Does it ruin the game? No, but it doesn't need to be for us to care, does it? Fucking titty monster in Fates is more sexualized in her normal outfit.
>>316501439
>>316501439
>>316501439
this
>>316501437
Don't be an ass about it. Clearly state your complaints and reasons in a civil manner. Email address is here >>316501439
>>316501390
Because that IS what it is about on 4chan. You never fucking ever see people complaining about religious references being stricken from the text of a video game. Or medical signs being changed to something more innocuous. The only things 4chan ever gives a shit about is bikinis. You can act like this is about how much you hate your precious products being changed from their original creator's intent but it's incredibly apparent that the only contention is sexual censorship and absolutely none of the other types.
CERO C = 15+
ESRB TEEN = 13+
It is all for the sake of being friendly with the children and their parents. Literally the very same people who doesn't care nor are going to buy this game.
Nintendogs don't realize they are sabotaging themselves by supporting this.
>>316501564
BUT THEY ARE CENSORING IT TO MAKE MORE MONEY YOU FUCKING DELUSIONAL RETARD, IT'S NOT A SJW CONSPIRACY NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU WANT IT TO BE
>>316501242
>The other guy's
you mean me
>was that Australian censorship happens so all censorship should be fine
not even close, but nice try
>I was saying Australian censorship is different, so his point is moot.
wrong again
I was saying stop blaming tumblr SJWs in the US. I blame Australia because NoA has to consider their rating system since their version of the game is going to be sold there too.
Nintendo isn't going to make a separate Aussie version, so NoA has to consider the ratings everywhere their version will be sold.
I made no judgments on if censorship is good or bad, just that you're probably blaming the wrong people.
>>316501704
Read my fucking post.
>For something that has a kid friendly reputation (ie literally everything Nintendo makes) the ESRB is going to crack down way more.
Parents would crucify their asses if they saw their kids playing around with some bikini clad girls in a horror game. And no, it doesn't matter it's mature since they'll get it somehow. It's more about the PR battle this would cause not actually protecting kids.
Its our fault. The moment they create a female character that's the least bit alluring, we give them "the whore treatment" which is messed up, especially when those characters targeted towards children.
>>316500859
Bro, only Miu in Fatal Frame was underage and only just barely at 17. Yuri was of age and still got censored as well.
As for Bayo 2 everything was done in-house at Platinum. NoA never got the chance to put their grubby mitts on it in the first place.
>>316501770
Actually that email address doesn't work.
Just got an email back saying this:
Hello,
Thank you for contacting Nintendo of America. We apologize for the inconvenience, but we are no longer able to accept emails sent to this address. To contact us now and in the future, please visit our online Webform. Here’s a direct link:
http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/ask
We appreciate your understanding in this matter and hope to hear from you soon!
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>>316501439
Done and done.
>>316501692
>You're a goobergater for trying to put out a public word to a company instead of crying on /v/
Fuck off to GAF
>>316501972
Anita is that you?
>>316501814
>implying suddenly lots of children and parents are going to care and buy their niche games because they are censored.
What the heck
>>316501704
probably to avoid an R rating in australia
>>316501958
>the ESRB is so evil and picks on nintendo!
>>316501794
>You never fucking ever see people complaining about religious references being stricken from the text of a video game
Yes you do. People said that it would probably happen in XCX and were complaining about that.
>You can act like this is about how much you hate your precious products being changed from their original creator's intent but it's incredibly apparent that the only contention is sexual censorship and absolutely none of the other types.
It's because sexual censoship is by far the most common form of censorship which still happens a lot so it's the one that's going to be talked about the most, and for some reason it's still accepted by some people while almost every sane person concedes that religious imagery shouldn't be censored.
>>316501794
So why are you okay when the shoe is on the other foot and the S jay ws do it.
>>316489998
Games sell better in the west the less obviously japanese stuff there is in the games. I guess that includes most of the perverted stuff.
>>316502117
Show me one god damn screen cap of a 400+ post thread about a cross being removed from a game. Have fun trying to find one.
Bikini censorship? Months of 500+ post threads year round.
>>316502125
I'm not if it's specifically against the will of the devs and pubs. They're the people who make the active decision to change their game to attempt to stir up the least amount of shit and sell the most copies. SJWs want games changed against the devs and pubs initial wishes and shame them into doing them.
Apples and oranges.
>>316502117
Seriously. The very first hints of localization were met with anxiety about possible censorship. There was an e-mail campaign then with dozens of people writing in to express concerns that they might fuck this up.
Fast forward to the present day, and those people were completely right about everything.
>>316502117
People still only care because they're thirsty for AAA sexual content. Never see news about anything but what's going to stir controversy, and with this demographic it is certainly sex.
>>316497393
>Why aren't you complaining about Japan removing entire scenes from MGSV because of violence censorship? Or the bullshit in Germany?
I most certainly did. Along with Australia's deal with L4D2, any country insisting on controlling artistic expression rankles me quite a bit.
Oh, you don't remember me? Do you want us to get trips to ensure the Anons you argue with aren't hypocrites?
>>316501814
>BUT THEY ARE CENSORING IT TO MAKE MORE MONEY YOU FUCKING DELUSIONAL RETARD
So you think a game like Fatal Frame that is incedibly niche, only available for adult gamers on Wii U, only available on the eShop will make more money because they remove completely unlockable optional costumes? No it's just a retarded decision.
>>316501814
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy, they can just scream long and hard enough to get companies to concede to their demands because they're scared of the backlash or because of other factors. Japanese developers look at the current situation in the West and think it represents the Western market.
*licks chapped lips*
H-H-HOLD UP
*adjust trilby*
P-POTATO-CHAN IS CENSORED?
*takes off one fingerless glove*
P-POTATO CHAN IS CUTE! CUTE!
*activates sharingan*
I WILL B-BOYCOTT THIS FOR MY SEASONAL WAIFU
>>316493374
He went back to being Sodom in the SNES port of A2.
>>316502016
Under what category should I send to?
>>316502498
This was made by someone who doesn't know jack about international marketing.
I still want XCX despite what has been changed since I've been keeping an eye on it since day one, but it's the only exception I'm willing to make. The other censored games don't interest me, so I won't be getting them. The games I am interested in coming from Nintendo probably won't be censored anyway.
I know I should make a stand or whatever, but I don't want to miss out on a game I've been hyped for.
>>316502498
Why isn't
"Having a huge PR battle that will potentially cause a huge consumer backlash (far bigger than the weeb community can compensate for) and destroy any opportunity to make money on the localized product" not on the bingo?
>When will blind fanboys stop accepting this by keeping buying their shit, instead of boycotting this SJW crap?
Stop injecting your fucking agenda into everything! The worst way to convince people to do something is to tell them in a manner that implies that you know better than them. I hate nothing more than some fag trying to tell me what to do, makes me want to do the exact opposite.
You are an insufferable fag. I don't even plan on buying fFatal Frame, didn't buy Bravely Default and I don't like Xenoblade, but I still feel like you're a fucking faggot trying to tell people what to do.
Seriously, fuck you. Mind your own business and let me spend my money however I see fit. I don't fucking care what kind of ethical choice a company decides to make even if it's stupid. This is not the kind of shit that I look into a videogame.
Look at R.Mika's ass slap scene being removed. It does piss me off because I do greatly enjoy the fanservice. Especially in Street Fighter, but what do I have to say to Capcom if they choose to remove it? I wasn't going to buy the game for Mika's ass anyways, I was gonna buy it to, you know, play a fucking fighting game.
Then comes you, buttfrustrated that his 12 years old sexuality isn't proprerly pleased by makers of electronic games and start trying to shame me planning to buy said product because muh censorship. Nigga get in a fucking commitee if you want to do something, stop trying to force people to stop buying things you don't like.
While we're at it, what kind of faggot thinks "voting with your wallet" is actually doing something? You gotta be the most naive piece of shit out there.
OP is forever a faggot, man am I fucking mad!
>>316501439
>ITS 2015
>>316489998
It's not just Nintendo though, a lot of stuff coming into America is censored. America is an intensely toxic nation whose mainstream won't accept anything that doesn't meet their ridiculous "progressive" standards.
>>316502679
>While we're at it, what kind of faggot thinks "voting with your wallet" is actually doing something? You gotta be the most naive piece of shit out there.
Worked for DMC
>>316502675
That's a good question. Because that's about as frivolous as all the others.
>>316502352
And how do you figure its the devs will since it was implemented in the Jap version and removed in america because of the SJW shitstorm.
>people comparing Fatal Frame and Xenoblade to fucking XSeed games
1. FF and XB are going to sell 10x more than anything XSeed has localized in their lives. Even with FF being exclusively on the eShop.
2. They're on Nintendo consoles where the XSeed mantra doesn't fly.
>Nintendo
>expecting sexual stuff
>>316502767
this post convinced me
>>316502940
>2. They're on Nintendo consoles where the XSeed mantra doesn't fly.
Senran Kagura.
>>316502585
Not that guy you're replying to but localizers make money not just from sales but from the amount of work they put into the game. The more shit they have to do to a game the more money they get paid. I think you can imagine how this could turn out bad with this system.
Why would they remove the breast slider? The main character in Xenoblade isn't underage, and surprisingly enough, women have different breast sizes.
Fire Emblem Fates is fucked.
Here's hoping region lock will actually be removed for the next nintendo console.
Im so done with NoA and their bunch of creative rewriters.
Seriously is there like an independent translation company that only does literal translation (No muh cultural context or muh rewrites) and doesnt bother with english dubs?
Im willing to donate whatever amount i can for translations like that.
Pic related pisses me off so fucking hard my god
>>316502829
DmC didn't fail because it was boycotted, it failed because it was a terrible game.
>ronery waifufags BTFO
I think it's pretty great. I hope Nintendo keeps it up so that those people leave its fanbase forever.
>>316502940
>FF and XB are going to sell 10x more than anything XSeed has localized in their lives
>implying Fatal Frame sold worth anything
My little anon can't be this retarded
>>316502675
Because huge PR battles are more often than not massively profitable for the product, especially digital media. All the rage in these threads is a well planned marketing tactic. To many armchair intellects in here not realizing their rage=more sales.
>>316502835
Yeah because making money on an entertainment product is completely against ethical code!
And you niggers wonder why shit isn't localized. Because of babies like you and the publishers not wanting to deal with them. This isn't riveting raw journalism or an anti-government book. This is an entertainment product created and localized to sell and make money. Don't get shit confused fuccboi
>>316502767
But we have music award shows with singers singing about their vaginas being smashed with cocks, and more. Why is it just this crap that gets censored?
Oh, that's right, all video games are still considered for kids only. Never mind, I'm a fucking idiot.
>>316503038
both
>>316503028
Can't have flat chested women in bikinis in Australia
>>316503037
To be fair the people working there are probably just autistic fucks that are high on the list of things that ought to go extinct. I'm sure they understand Japanese just fine.
Why are people saying its about money? NOA is pretending this game doesn't even fucking exist. They're not bothering to advertise it at all, and its released in fucking 20 days. This game us confirmed DOA, so why go out of ones way to remove something that's in fucking countless other modern games?
For moral reasons, of course. Treehouse personally decided to remove the option. If it was just for money they wouldn't have sunk a fortune localizing this failure of a game release in the first place.
>>316503156
Are there just no australian women that have flat/small breasts?
>>316503019
Nice job selecting a title that hasn't been fucking localized dipshit. You just proved my point exceptionally well.
>>316502875
More like.
>"All of these arguments have been addressed a thousand times. But as long as we 1. keep insisting on proven false notions or 2. Introduce unprovable notions, in order to try and create a cloud of doubt, then you can never get me to admit I'm a lousy apologist."
>>316503234
Isn't this being localized by 8-4 or is it a joint thing?
Man Fire Emblem Fates is so fucked.
>>316490996
the world will gravitate toward a spiral of degeneracy and you're part of it
>>316503118
Not with sex. Hot coffee was the only PR battle that might have stirred up a sale or two, but I doubt it. Blood and gore is the only thing that increases sales. Sex in America is against the rules and will cripple your sales.
>>316503234
No, because they know only a niche of people in NA knows about Fatal Frame you fucking idiot. Stop pretending that every game is treated by the same standarts as a MArio game, for example.
This is business 101. A company will advertize its highest selling product more than its lowest selling one and one only needs to look at sales charts for any Fatal Frame game to understand that it might not be worth the spendings to advertize it.
>>316503440
Hey retard he's talking about XCX
>>316489998
When will pathetic NEETS stop caring about pixelated T&A and whether or not it gets censored in a kid's game?
>>316503234
Why spend money advertising something that is being constantly reposted and up voted already? Controversy=free marketing, which is usually quite expensive.
>crying CENSORSHIP FREE SPEECH SJW AAAAA because you cant upskirt your favorite nintendo babes anymore
this is the most neckbeard thread ive witnessed in weeks
>>316503234
Because it is on a god damn Nintendo console. That's the end of it. NoA isn't going to allow anything to tarnish their reputation as a kid friendly system in America. And the publishers are going to agree to that if they want to release their games overseas, and that is a decision they willingly made. Nobody was forced.
>>316503120
The assumed notion that Nintendo will receive considerable bad press is not proven. You're just assuming that to be true.
Meanwhile, Bayonetta is parading around in the sluttiest version of Peach's dress conceived.
>>316503389
This argument always makes me laugh.
When exactly has the world not been degenerate and, if you actually attempt to answer this question, please, use an answer that isn't based in relative terms.
>I can't enjoy this game unless some pixel crotch is on the screen
>>316503234
It is about money. Just a different kind of money than what you think. It's not sales money. It's work money.
>>316503330
Joint project between treehouse and them.
And yeah, it is royally fucked. But since it's way more high profile, and lots more lewd than previous games, lots more normal fans will be angry about it.
>>316503389
>up in arms about your right to see pantsu on virtual anime girls in japanese games
>calling other people degenerates
Am I missing the joke?
>>316503415
That's debatable, probably works to varying degrees but the lack of other ads for this stuff convinces me that's what they're doing.
>>316503547
People really are completely oblivious to the fact that electronic entertainment is a fucking business and not a magic hobby tailored specifically to make YOU happy.
>>316503506
Thats not what its about faggot.
>>316503234
>For moral reasons, of course. Treehouse personally decided to remove the option
again
>source: my own paranoid conspiracy theories
People are saying it's about money because that's how businesses work stupid.
The Australian sales are expected to be more numerous than the sales they expect to lose because of ditching the boob slider.
>>316503575
It isn't proven. But it's a calculated risk mitigation decision that everyone made to get their game to sell more copies if possible. Bayonetta 2 also doesn't have straight up cloth falling off bikinis like a lot of these games 4chan bitches about being censored.
>>316503281
>Senran Kagura
>not localized
>>316503596
Waifufags don't like games.
They only play them for the softcore fanservice porn, which is why they get so upset when things that you or I see as inconsequential get removed.
>>316503547
SK gets released on 3DS. NoA is publishing this game, which is why everyone is rightfully complaining about NoA's inane business practices because it's affecting a product they want (or wanted) to buy.
>>316503596
>i can't enjoy this game if others are enjoying the pixel crotch on the screen
seriously why can't everyone just be happy? don't people want more diverse body types and shit? you're denying them that just to deny some people from jacking off? no one fucking wins in that scenario.
>>316503731
Yes it is, you can cry muh censorship and muh standards all you want but that's what its about because I know you people, I've been here since the beginning.
>>316503281
>hasn't been fucking localized dipshit
But it has. Both games have been, you bumblefuck.
>>316496808
They didn't, after the Snes days they eased the censorship on their consoles, to the point where they had that BMXXX game be uncensored whereas the PS2 version wasn't.
Now recently they are going backwards again.
Gamecube was probably their least restrictive console, when did they fuck up again was it just now with the WiiU or did this also happen with the Wii?
>>316503415
Dragon's Crown was Vanillaware's best-selling game after the Sorceress controversy. It sold over 1M copies despite being a 2D game in 2013 with a normal retail price.
Even as early as the 80s, Custer's Revenge sold more than twice as many copies as the developer's other games because it got a shitton of attention due to the drama surrounding it. Controversy will always sell.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's_Revenge
>Nevertheless, the focused media attention caused the game to sell approximately 80,000 copies, twice as many copies as Mystique's other adult-only games, Bachelor Party and Beat 'Em & Eat 'Em.
>>316503415
Dragon's crown. Bayonetta.
I will care when they change something that matters
>>316503846
I completely forgot that was a game. As a kid I wanted it but now it's so stupid sounding.
>>316503717
You kerp repeating yourself and nobody is reaponding to you because your argument is premised on the unsubstantiated assumption that cenorship = more sales. The success of companies like XseeD and the failings of NISA directly oppose your central point. Censorship is bad business.
>>316503525
Positive controversy sells, like dragons crown, not "we caved in".
This is also not because of Nintendo being afraid of parents, since Nintendo fucking released BAYONETTA.
>>316503754
You're right, Bayo doesn't have cloth damage. Because BAYO'S ATTACKS FREELY REMOVE HER CLOTHES, MAKING HER STARK NAKED IN FRONT OF THE WORLD TO SEE.
If it were really about mitigating risks. Then why did they pull in Bayo 2? Why did they eventually pull Bayo 1?
Fact is, the decisions are made by the arbitrary morals of the localization team. Which Nintendo puts entirely too much trust in.
>>316499460
You can spot these non 4chan regulars by how bluntly they use reaction images, particularly the smug images and the whiny crying images.
They also respond in a very obvious how would someone of 4chan act type of way, without actually knowing the culture.
>>316489998
OH NO THEY COVERED UP MY TITTIES
Since when are boob sliders considered to be crucial to a game's gameplay or story? Plus, it's already confirmed elma Irina Celinia, and your FeMC is uncensored
>>316503807
If all it takes is some ass and titties to be removed from the game you need to analyze your life goals. It's not just NoA that makes these decisions, it's the publishers, the developers, the PR teams, etc. Everyone is trying to make the most risk-free decisions to help their game sell well otherwise there isn't a reason to even localize it since it's already such a big risk in itself. Again, this is a money driven business. If you guys could manage to make every bikini bitch fest game go up to a million seller then the devs would listen. But you don't and the games sell like 10k copies at best most of the time.
>>316504037
NISA is making money
NIS (the parent Japanese company that makes the games) is losing money.
>>316489998
>as of late
How... just how fucking young are you? Jesus fuck. Fucking shit. Shit.
>tfw playing male, satisfied with C cup busts, don't mind an underage character being the only character dressed more modestly, haven't minded a single confirmed rename, getting more hype for my pre order to be delivered as each day passes
Censorship and removal of content suck as practices, but there is just too much left intact for me to be anything other than hype
>>316503886
Dragon's Crown sold like dog shit. Bayonetta sold like dog shit (especially 2). If anything all that the controversy did was to help a super niche crowd band together and buy a product. Which turns out are only about 0.1% of the population and doesn't even make anyone bat an eye at those sales.
>>316504152
Since when is ANY customization crucial in that regard? Since when is story crucial to a video game? Since when are video games crucial to living?
That's not an argument. That's a glorified way of saying "I don't care".
>Unreleased game
>Censorship
>>316504094
>Fact is, the decisions are made by the arbitrary morals of the localization team.
>fact
You think it's a fact that a business is going to make arbitrary decisions? What are you retarded or something?
>>316489998
Cleanup ≠ censorship.
>>316504273
>dragon's crown sold like dogshit
How does it feel to be fucking wrong?
>>316501814
>censoring Fatal Frame, an M-RATED game that most buy for its premise of cute jap girls in spooky situations
>more sales
Nobody who complained about bikinis (in an M-rated game, mind you) is going to buy the game just because they removed those; meanwhile, people pissed off about censorship may not buy it because it's being censored.
>>316504037
This was the first time I commented on the subject, quit being paranoid.
Business decision are not always about making money you ignorant fool. Reputation is every bit as important as profit in business and as much as you hate it, NA is a bunch of fucking prude hypocrites and "child friendly" comapnies like Nintendo of America tailor their public image accordingly.
>>316503830
Goober gaters have fucked off to infity chan.
>>316504273
Dragon's Crown sold more than 1M copies, for a fucking niche Japanese 2D game. We're talking about a game that was made with a budget of around $1M too.
>Bayonetta sold like dog shit
No it didn't.
>(especially 2).
Because it was on Wii U.
GTA3 is another game that got a massive amount of attention due to the controversy around it. You can find hundreds of examples like this in every medium. Your argument is shit.
>>316504250
I'm in the same boat as you, buddy.
>>316504423
How is that even remotely related to my claim?
>>316504094
Those attacks leave her clothed. She's never naked. And another huuuuuuge point here is she isn't a child or even look slightly like a child like all of the games the 4chan complains about being censored.
Do you guys really think "Nintendo game has pedo content" on the front page of CNN? If you think that's gonna cause a burst in sales you're retarded. Nintendo is gonna be humiliated like the Subway guy.
>>316501913
So just make an update that puts it back for the European and American markets. It takes like 2 second if they didn't remove the system entirely.
>>316504171
But his game will sell 10k regardless of censorship since they're not even bothering to advertise it. The only press going around is how much of a fuckuo it is.
>>316489998
>what's the next target on their list? Probably Fire Emblem Fates.
Isn't it confirmed the groping mini game like pokemon amie is gone?
>>316504330
Based on their morality, yes. Translators are people with their own beliefs and perspectives.
Think about it this way: They actually managed to make the replacement costumes in Fatal Frame prior to the game's release. Which means, hypothetically, we could have gotten both the Nintendo costumes, and the lingerie. But instead of giving us more, they removed the "problematic" costumes. Do you think that's good business? No. That's the morality police getting involved where they shouldn't.
>>316504627
Don't you fucking joke around anon.
You say something like that and it requires a source.
>>316503234
>NOA is pretending this game doesn't even fucking exist.
I have seen this before.....
>>316504521
Yeah, like I fucking said games with blood and gore will cause controversy and people will buy them. Games with explicit sexual content, especially focusing on children or people who look like children, is RIP for anyone. GTA3 you could fuck hookers (that you couldn't even see). That was just cheeky enough to not cause a fuss, it also wasn't on a fucking Nintendo console. Neither was Dragon's Crown. Neither was Bayonetta 1 (the version that actually sold). So get fucked with your shitty opinions.
>>316504627
The question that bothers me most is why is a groping minigame necessary in a Fire Emblem game? If they want to make a Dating Sim, they should stop pretending that they're making an RPG.
>>316504623
Doesn't matter about the press or advertising. If a million of you guys would just go out and buy every 12 year old girl in a bikini game that you guys get mad about they would be getting localized like hot cakes. End of story. As of now there is nothing but risk in localizing these games. And big risk at that.
>>316504784
Split all the hairs you like, you still sound like a moron.
>>316504815
But how will my little sister power up if I don't touch her boobs?
>>316504580
What the fuck does the character creator boob slider have to do with pedo content? You can't change Lynn's in the original either
>>316492029
That's the problem. They should have learned by now that kids only play CoD. They're audience is mostly people that already cared about Nintendo.
>>316504938
The guy who understands that games with children nearly nude in them is too much of a risk for any publisher to handle, especially when nobody is going to buy them.
One article by CNN and you and your company are seriously done here. There's nobody who is going to read that article and say "man that sounds fun let's go out and get that game for you Jonny" like they did with Doom.
>>316504580
They can already do that, the game has been out in japan for months you tard.
>>316497115
>i don't care about the lewd outfits or boobslider what i care about is my slippery slope fallacy
You can take your slippery slope and shove it up your ass dude. Nobody is going to give a shit about your imaginary slippery slope bullshit.
>>316505028
What is your basis for this claim?
As far as my experience go, there are far more children on Miiverse than adults.
>>316504519
No they came back
>>316505028
Kids play Call of Duty, GTA, Minecraft and Skylanders from my experience working retail aka fucking why.
>>316498890
>You will NEVER be japanese
>accept whatever shit we throw at you like a good goy
>>316504580
1. Bayo is strategically covered. You see about as much, if not more than what the lingerie in Fatal Frame 5 would have shown.
2. The characters in Fatal frame are not children, nor do they look like children.
3. The character in XCX that is said to be 13, actually has the body of an adult. The age is completely superficial. Regardless, she's still wearing a bikini. Something you can find on any beach.
>>316505164
You should move to Japan and live with David.
>>316505096
It has absolutely no relevance if it's not out in America. Who is going to read a fucking article that is "Weird Japanese game has boob slider for girls that look 10 years old"? Not concerned mothers, that's for sure.
>>316504671
>muh american sjws ruining everything!
It's far more likely the changes are to get an M instead an M 15+ rating in Australia anon.
But you want to fit this into your preconceived notion that SJWs are ruining everything. Whether they are or not, it doesn't mean you just stop thinking about the logic behind decisions.
>>316505214
But I don't want to live around them. I just like their stuff. My dream is to move to Texas and become a real cowboy like Rawhide Kobayashi.
>>316505145
Iwata stated he made sure that Smash 4 and Pokemon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire came out on the anniversary of Melee and Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire. He stated that "the kids that bought those games thanks to their parents when they were young, now are grown up with jobs, so they can buy what they want, when they want, so it just makes sense to market games similar to the ones they played at that age to them now."
>>316504784
You're just making retarded assumptions. No one is gonna skip out on a game because of an optional costume. Sex and controversy sell, this is already known.
>especially focusing on children or people who look like children, is RIP for anyone.
>it also wasn't on a fucking Nintendo console.
Then why was Fire Emblem: Awakening the highest-selling Fire Emblem game despite having Nowi in the game?
>>316505145
I'm a substitute teacher and every most of the male kids in my classes mention having an Xbox 360 or even an Xbone at times (they seem to be the main audience for that as well) and if I ever ask them what they play, it's Battlefield, CoD, or Minecraft.
>>316505145
There is only little children on the miiverse, that because no ones uses that thing. Tyranic rules, censorships plus lack of proper features scared all the adults and upper teens away. That thing is dead.
>NoA continue to do what they've been doing for 30 years
>retarded underage fucks / /pol/tards will cry about it being to work of internet SJWs from the last 5 years
>The entire point of it is because the American market is different to the Japanese market and so are catered to differently.
>retarded /pol/tards and other ignorant dipshits will call it self-censorship
>>316505186
If you think that the Fatal Frame girls look old enough to consent in most states in America you need to put down the eroge games. Same for XCX. It doesn't matter what you can see on the beach. It matters what will cause them pain in the press and reduce sales because concerned mothers found out about it. Risk management > weeb sexual desires. Again, unless you guys go out, band together, and make the next Conception II a million seller.
>>316505087
Those people wouldn't have bought the game anyways, so moot point. I somehow doubt Noa or any other company relies much on major news outlets anyways.
>>316505531
>yfw the age of consent in most states is 16
>>316505186
>The age is completely superficial
Why do all pedos say this?
>>316505274
So they're censoring a game in Europe and North America, because you've pulled out of your ass that they don't want to get some arbitrary rating in fucking Australia? You're really stretching those arguments.
>>316505520
Five guys and Gamergay was the worst thing to happen to /v/ in a long time.
>>316505698
Mostly because the damage is long lasting.
The buttpain has been lasting for the past 5 years.
>>316505520
>NoA continue to do what they've been doing for 30 years
The degrees of censorship has changed a lot, especially after the ESRB was created, and now it's getting worse again.
>>316505419
Yeah. Subway's sales have gone through the roof since pedo got caught! You have precisely 0% idea what the fuck you're talking about.
You can pull all of these examples out that you want and prove that you're still missing the point. Somebody decided those games were okay for the Murrican market and they were right. In these games they decided they were okay for the Murrican market sans the stuff they think would put them at risk to make people not buy their games. Nobody knows if they're right but it's a decision they made with an entertainment product that abides by the ESRB and public perception (and a public that is very anti-sexualized video games, especially ones with children).
>>316497393
I do you fucking worthless fuck.
>McDonalds, Subway, KFC etc. serve halal meat in india instead of regular
>FUCKING CENSORSHIP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SJWs RUINING MY FREEDOMBURGERS LIBERAL KIKESHIT DEGENERATES DESTROYING THE WEST
>>316505607
The Fatal Frame girls look 15-16 at best. And if it's in that gray area, guess what? Your lewd bikini extras have become an issue to the localization team because they don't want to fuck the risk.
Reminder that treehouse said nothing would be censored lol
>>316505520
What market? They're not fucking marketing the game to begin with.
>>316505274
I never said "sjws". I said individuals with their own beliefs, enforcing those beliefs. Call them what you will. But if they fit that description, then that's who I'm talking about.
1. In America, an M rating actually means that game shops shouldn't sell you the game, unless you provide ID to prove you're an adult, or you have an adult with you to purchase the game.
So basically, an M +15 rating, is actually more lenient than the American rating.
2. The game should be properly rated, in order to ensure parents and other potential buyers purchase games with the content they deem appropriate. That's what the ratings board is for. It's not to ensure that game companies shave the edge off of content, so they can meat the lower rating.
3. Isn't Australia considered pat of the European region when it comes to game releases? Why does America need to be punished, because of Australia's laws?
>>316505698
>>316505520
>LE GABRIELLE GIFFORD BOOGIEMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE STOP THOSE GABBY GIFFORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get fucked.
>>316498212
>market sensibilities
aka
offensiveness
>>316503864
>Controversy will always sell.
Nonsense, there are plenty of games that had controversy surrounding them that did not sale well at all. Hatred and Dante's Inferno are two games who pretty much only got press surrounding controversy and in the case of Dante's Inferno it is often cited as one of the reasons the game did not sale.
>>316505531
>It matters what will cause them pain in the press and reduce sales because concerned mothers found out about it.
Yeah man, all those concerned mothers caring about some niche M-rated game for Wii U that their kid isn't even allowed to play and couldn't even find in a store, while those concerned mothers completely ignore games like Bayonetta 2, Devil's Third, and characters like Nowi in Fire Emblem: Awakening. Makes sense.
>If you think that the Fatal Frame girls look old enough to consent in most states in America you need to put down the eroge games.
You're the one who needs to go outside anon.
>>316505848
>taking out an outfit > taking almost all the gore out of the original MK
"no"
>>316506095
Because Dante's Inferno's controversy was manufactured.
>>316505871
>anti sexualized games
Yeah everyone hates bioware, gta, witcher
Xenoblade, now that's a game for kiddies, good marketing noa
>>316489998
>Nintendo
I think you mean Nintendo of America
>>316506095
Pretty sure hatred sold a hell of a lot more due to its controversy than if it hadn't had any.
Hell Rockstar are known to generate fake controversies for the GTA games as they're released.
>>316505531
>If you think that the Fatal Frame girls look old enough to consent
They do though. they look like young *women*.
>It matters what will cause them pain in the press and reduce sales because concerned mothers found out about it.
Again, then why did they get Bayonetta, if they were worried about bad press? That doesn't make any sense.
>>316506140
He said it's getting worse, not that it's the worst it's ever been.
>>316506123
If Moms saw Nowi they'd think "cute little pixie girl". If they saw the Fatal Frame girls in bikinis they'd like "what the fuck those are very young looking girls in bikinis". Bayonetta is an obviously super mature woman that is always covered up more than the Fatal Frame girls when they're in bikinis.
Fuck it I'm done typing now that I think about it. You once again side stepped the point that you have to HOL'DAT when the localization team decides to do something for risk assessment. And there isn't anything your 900 other Nowi examples have that can say differently.
>>316506140
I said it's "getting worse again", as in it got progressively better after the ESRB was created, but now it's getting worse because of the popularity of the internet and the recent rise in moral outrage culture.
>>316506325
Again, taking out an outfit isn't worse than completely ruining the entirety of a game.
>>316505871
They are not abiding to anything other than their modern agenda of taking mature games and butchering the shit out of them so they can try to sell them for soccer moms and 12y children who are only interested on playing the next Cod/GTA and don't gives 2 fucks about Nintendo's censored shit.
Yes, we went back to the fucking 90s with this ewww that's misogynist bullshit that nintendo has benn brought to.
>>316506198
You've finally caught on!
Bioware, GTA, Witcher, etc etc etc.... aren't on Nintendo consoles. And in America Nintendo consoles are considered very kid friendly.
>>316505631
I meant that if they said she was 18 on paper, then no one would flinch, because she looks like she can be any age. She doesn't actually look like a child. She looks like a young woman with downs. But people are only complaining because the game SAYS she's younger.
>>316506409
Do parents even watch their kids play video games? Why would they buy their kid Fatal Frame, an M rated game to begin with?
>>316489998
>muh sjw bogeyman
>waaaaah! games are being more inclusive, and aren't only catering to my perverted and misogynistic needs!
fuck off
>>316505990
Except the shitskins enjoy their food.
>>316506479
Nintendo never ever left that state. Never, not once, since their creation.
>>316506472
Because they're trying to make money on an entertainment product that involves marketing decisions related to public relations, the ESRB, and numerous other factors that can absolutely sink a game-- especially on a system for children.
>>316506461
>removed gore
>ruin
You can still play it, can't you? How does that ruin it?
>>316499623
The most ignorant stance possible. The 'porn or nothing' is literally a copout solution
>>316506000
They are 17 and 19. Also both look 20+.
>>316506571
Because parents have been idiots for decades now and kids are smarter than the parents would like them to believe. Which is why every kid will own GTA. And yes, parents watch their kids play games.
>>316489998
Bravely Default's censorship wasn't Nintendo's fault
>>316503846
>was it just now with the WiiU
Just now with the Wii U. The Wii had the second least censorship.
>>316506641
Actually they published a lot of gritty stuff in the Gamecube and Wii.
>>316506783
>WE NEED NINTENDO TO MOMMY US!!!!! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!
Nintenyearolds are the worst.
>>316506409
>ALL THESE MENTAL GYMNASTICS
HAHAHAHAHAHA
NOWI THE SCANTILY-CLAD 12 YEAR-OLD IS FINE FOR KIDS, BAYONETTA A GAME THAT'S ALL ABOUT SEXUALITY IS FINE FOR KIDS, BUT WOW A 19 YEAR-OLD GIRL WITH OPTIONAL COSTUMES THAT YOU CAN UNLOCK IN A MATURE GAME THAT KIDS SHOULDN'T PLAY, THAT'S WHERE MOMS DRAW THE LINE EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVEN"T SAID ABOUT A WORD ABOUT IT EVEN THOUGH THEY'VE BEEN FLOATING AROUND ON THE INTERNET FOR MORE THAN A YEAR
LOVING EVERY LAUGH. KEEP TRYING TO JUSTIFY CENSORSHIP
>>316506693
because the entire enticement of MK was the gore in it, Was you around for the controversy of when the first was released?
>>316506505
Yeah, games like bayonetta and fatal frame! That destroyed their rep on CNN for sure. This boob slider is way outta line!
>>316505671
>making one english version for all english speaking countries
>it's stretching that I assume a business trying to make money would consider the rating systems in each of the places it will be released
>stretching the arguments
Why are remakes of R movies PG-13? Wider audiences. Shit, M and R (US ratings) have been getting toned down to T and PG-13 to expand the potential customer base for years. You want a specific? Army of Darkness was rated R. Kill Bill goes to black and white to avoid an X rating. At least I have a financial/business reason with precedent in the real world for my argument. The SJWs criers have just that, crying about SJWs. You've pulled out of your ass it's the evil SJW boogeyman and you want to call my thought out argument bullshit?
>>316506748
Let's put this in a way you can understand it.
Teens + Bikinis + Nintendo Consoles = Huge risk on an already risky localization. There's no win here if they leave them in.
>>316506641
If they're trying to make money why aren't hy bothering to market it?
>>316504250
I'm actually more worried about the dialogue being changed. The boob slider removal is just silly to even do in the first place.
>>316506932
>Kill Bill goes to black and white to avoid an X rating
I thought that was a myth Tarantino came up with.
>>316506916
Yes. Knowing /v/, though, if that happened today, they'd damage control it and claim that the game was still playable since it technically would be, even if the gore was missing.
>>316506937
>If I keep repeating my argument, then they might eventually be fooled into accepting it.
>>316506937
>huge risk
>already risky
Its a niche as fuck horror game on a niche as fuck system.
I love these threads because it cuts through the bullshit of the board.
4chan weebs love sexual content in their weeb games and will desperately try to convince you it's all for the sake of anti-censorship (in the entertainment medium no less kek). After about half way through the thread they just throw that idea out and start straight up saying they want the sexual content and who gives a shit about censorship.
Extra points for every single time they act like they care about religious censorship in games in these threads after being called out. Let's all go check the archives for the thousands of threads about religious references being removed. Get fucked you basement dwelling pieces of shit.
>>316504250
>>316504529
But what do you think of the dub voices because you aren't getting anything better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEz0Fa53B4s
>run of the mill anime dub actors
>50% fewer VAs to choose from than in the Japanese version
It may not be censorship, but this is by far the wrost thing for me. And censorship is pretty bad too. But the lack of the original voice tracks is what kills it for me.
>>316506937
17+1=18
Girls look above 18? yep. Game is rated mature? yep.
I don't see the problem here.
>>316507029
This.
>REPLACING BLOOD WITH SWEAT IS TOTALLY NOT CENSORSHIP BECAUSE HITLER NEVER FORCED NINTENDO AT GUNPOINT TO DO IT
>IT DOESN'T AFFECT GAMEPLAY WHY DO YOU CARE
>THEY JUST NEED TO MAKE MORE MONEY TO INCREASE PROFITS
>WHY DO YOU CARE ABOUT SHITTY GORE, ARE YOU SOME KIND OF MANCHILD
>KEEP CENSORING SHIT NINTENDO, KEEP SHITTING IN MY MOUTH I LOVE IT
>THEY ONLY PUT THE GORE IN THERE TO CATER TO SOCIOPATHS, TAKING IT OUT ISN'T CENSORSHIP, IT'S LOCALIZATION
>JUST BEING THE VOICE OF REASON HERE
>FUCKING GOOBERGABBER
/v/umblr likes it that way.
>>316507314
Literally who are those voice actors? I know they got a lot of talent in the japanese dub. FUCK NINTENDO AND FUCK 8-4 FOREVER.
>>316507314
I've been playing dub-only games for years. This will not stop me from enjoying it. I like having the option of dual audio, but it will never be the deciding factor for me.
>>316507605
Are you telling me you don't recognize Yuri "I am in every damn dub ever" Lowenthal?
>>316507246
>Caring about rage over a censored japanese game
>call people weeb for that
At least try to make some sense stupid.
>>316507675
Do you also like having fewer voice options in total than the original?
Even disregarding the quality of the voice acting itself, that alone is pretty insulting.
>we pay the same price as them but ours is a clearly inferior product
>>316489998
What if Nintendoor any of these devsis coming to /v/ and seeing all of these constant threads about shit like this and that's why they are censoring it?
>>316507246
Why can't you be for both sexual content and anti-censorship?
Let's face it. You can't care passionately about everything right? It just so happens that a lot of people care passionately about the female form.
Like, of course I don't equally, care about religious symbols being removed. I don't like it. I think it's a bummer that that happens. But sorry, I can't work up the passion for that cause, because I'm not religious.
However, if a religious organization was like "hey, stop removing our symbols, because you're censoring and we don't like censorship". Then I wouldn't make fun of them, like you. I would give them a nod and and "yea!". And let them fight their battle.
>>316507956
Nintendo isn't self aware enough to get marketers for a site like this.
>>316506042
>So basically, an M +15 rating, is actually more lenient than the American rating.
By two years of age. However that's also a law in Australia and not in the US.
>That's what the ratings board is for. It's not to ensure that game companies shave the edge off of content, so they can meat the lower rating.
But it's what happens, all the time in fact. Does that make it okay? I dunno, is it okay to try to make your product appropriate for the most amount of people possible?
> Isn't Australia considered pat of the European region when it comes to game releases?
Does mean shit anon
>Why does America need to be punished, because of Australia's laws?
It costs too much to make a separate version just for Australia. Not enough gamers for a unique version, too many gamers to ignore.
The math goes like this:
(expected sales in australia with M rating)-(expected loss of sales from removing boob slider in other countries) > (expected sales in australia with M 15+ rating) + (people whose purchase is contingent on the boob slider)
>>316507246
>cuts through the bullshit
I wish. Most of the thread is hasty conjectures and bullshit. No one can take out some evidence, or I don't know, anything substantial at all and prove censorship is good or bad for financial reasons. All you hear is "Nuh uh! The industry works THIS way, take my word for it!"
I gotta ask what took them 8 fucking months to come out with less content AND a botched translation.
>>316507876
Are you trying to change my mind about buying the game? If that's your aim, it's not going to work, man. I already made up my mind ages ago. I don't even really care about the character customization as much as the other things the game offers.
You're free to not like what's going on and not buy the game, but you have to understand that people are going to think differently than you on a topic.
>>316506042
>Why does America need to be punished, because of Australia's laws?
Do you have any idea how many times Europe got shit because of America's laws?
>>316507024
They aren't there in the japanese version of the movie.
>>316507314
>But what do you think of the dub voices
They're adequate for me.
>Japanese games gets English dub in the American version
>No Japanese audio
FUCKING CENSORSHIP REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>316508176
You're just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, everything you can do to justify censorship, when all you should really say is:
>Stop doing it Nintendo
or
>I don't care
>>316497393
>amerifat voices
>ruined playable character
>ruined character creator
Xenoblade X may have been a great game, but if you drag it in the mud too far it's not anymore.
I'm cancelling my preorder, selling my Wii U and getting a japanese one.
Thanks for wasting my time Nintendo of America.
>>316508835
You really like samefagging don't you?
You
>>316508975
(You)
>>316508959
>gameplay is exactly the same
>none of the outfits were removed or toned down outside of Lin's
You should probably kill yourself.
What kind of game you want fåm?
JUST CENSOR MY SHIT UP
>>316507314
>they actually show the VA
Oh that's cool.These voices aren't that bad.
>>316508862
I'm not justifying anything. I don't think it's right and I want my boob slider.
I'm just tired of a few things about this issue
>it's the american sjws on tumblr's fault
>it's NoA enforcing their morality on us
>there's no reason to do this
and while you might not have said any of those, that's where I'm coming from.
The idea that businesses operate without calculating profits is ridiculous. But you're so ingrained this has to be evil that you can't even look into why it's happening. I'm just providing a very profit oriented possible explanation for these changes. Something that makes more sense and is less biased than "i hate this group of people, it's their fault"
Learning Hitler's motivations and figuring out his thought process doesn't make me a Neo Nazi, it just means I think there's some more logical explanations for things than overly emotional gut reactions that just so happen to fit into what you thought already.
I read up on the australian rating system, looked at their criteria, some games that have been rated, their history of censorship. I grabbed some screen shots, formed some kind of explanation focused on money instead of muh outrage, and I try to make quality posts that contribute to the discussion.
A lot of people just want to cry SJW in their echo chamber.
>>316508443
They changed names, removed features, covered up bodies, removed original audio, and you don't think thyll change the story, quests, and dialogue too? I mean, if all you cared about was the gameplay, you'd have just imported it.
>>316508176
>By two years of age.
Still more lenient, buddy.
>However that's also a law in Australia and not in the US.
Doesn't matter. Gamestop monopolizes game sales in the US, and it's their policy not to sell M rated games to unattended minors.
>But it's what happens
Nope. Because FF is still rated M in America. And Australia's M +15 rating is more lenient. So it's not for the rating. Same with XCX. They still have the equivalent rating regardless of self-censorship.
>Does mean shit anon
It means they can put in a little more effort to include the costumes on the American releases, and remove them in the Australian releases. Hell, since FF is a digital download, they could just sell all the copies without the costumes, and then patch the costumes in to specific regions.
>It costs too much to make a separate version just for Australia.
No it doesn't. Because they already have both costumes developed. It's only a matter of allowing access to them.
>expected sales in australia with M 15+
Are we still entertaining the notion that the things they removed affect the rating? Because they likely don't. And you can't say for sure. And I can't say for sure. But if you consider how mild a thing like a boob slider is. I think it's safe to assume that the rating won't go up if it's included.
Plus, even if it's included, I think it's safe to say that they won't lose many sales on the game. How many kids under 15 can't figure out how to get their hands on this game? They're probably getting their parents to buy it for them regardless of it's M or M+15.
Plus you assume that Nintendo is attempting to shirk the rating. When there's nothing to prove this. By the fact that they still publish M rated games.
Basically, you just have this guy feeling, and you're trying hard to rationalize it. But all evidence you provide has counter evidence. Making your argument null.
>>316509907
This right here. NoA and co. are BUTCHERING this game into an abomination displeasing to fans.
>>316509775
Lowenthal, please. Get off 4chan.
>>316510584
But Shulk though.
>>316509796
>it's the american sjws on tumblr's fault
If you'd followed the news, you'd know that there's a lot of reason to think that. They are affecting all media on a major level, not just games.
>there's no reason to do this
More like there's no good reason to do it.
>I read up on the australian rating system, looked at their criteria, some games that have been rated, their history of censorship. I grabbed some screen shots, formed some kind of explanation focused on money instead of muh outrage, and I try to make quality posts that contribute to the discussion
It's still just a hypothesis. Why does this not apply to every other game? If every game had to go through the Australian rating system and they never bothered to make a different uncensored version for European/America releases, everything would be censored to shit. It seems like a poor excuse.
>boob slider has nothing to do with gameplay, you're buying this game JUST for the gameplay right?
>>316508321
They get paid for time spent on the project. Making changes gets them more money.
>>316510705
He is alright. I'll admit.
But the standard for this dub is so fucking low. They couldn't even get as many voice actors as the Japanese version. And the ones they did get aren't exactly making up for it.
But they probably wouldn't even have gotten Adam if NoE didn't get him for Xenoblade in the first place. He is the classic option as Shulk's VA. No way they would have gotten him otherwise.
>>316498865
Those tits look stupid. They always did. They don't match her in game polygons at all nor her official art work. It was jarring to see them look like that in the cutscenes. Those proportions for a girl that size just seem inhuman and it comes off as bizarre. No incarnation of her has made her tits that big since the FMVs from the original game. She still has a rack just not weird CGI ass pasted on her chest.
>>316498865
/v/ is going to die when new VII footage comes out and her tits aren't as comically large.
>>316510930
Haven't you heard. Women don't play games. And they don't care about the size of their boobs. Only *little boys* care about boobs. Real men only think of boobs as a gross distraction from a woman's eyes.
>>316510076
You live a world where money doesn't matter to businesses, only public opinion.
Your post is filled with
>australia only version wouldn't cost more
>patches are free to produce
>content is never edited in an attempt to get a lower rating, more restrictive ratings don't affect sales!
>they won't lose sales, I'm psychic
>doesn't understand the connection between the boob slider and Lin's censorship
>if nintendo makes one M game, there's no way other titles would be steered towards non-M audiences!
Again, you think money doesn't matter to companies and that's just laughable.
You're right, the conspiracy that Treehouse just decided this for no reason is much more reasonable an explanation than my profits focused one that points to facts like government policy and video game/movie history.
>>316511496
I just want them to be distinctly large. They don't have to be cartoon. Just, you know, a size that stands out. I hate how C-cups in a tight shirt is now considered big boobs.
>>316507762
Who?
>>316511924
Your post is filled with stawman quotes, that threw out all reasoning. You didn't even try to make proper counterarguments.
>>316510927
>It's still just a hypothesis.
Correct, and one I assert is more thought out and credible than SJW boogeymen.
> If every game had to go through the Australian rating system and they never bothered to make a different uncensored version for European/America releases, everything would be censored to shit.
Do you think the Australian government pay for the censorship changes? No, they ban games until the game makers provide the censored version. That costs more than making one version that doesn't get banned in the first place.
>Go to nintendo forum see this
http://techforums.nintendo.com/thread/73385
>>316512124
All those are in there anon
>but i said the australia version isn't cost prohibitive, not that it costs nothing
I clearly gave up making reasonable arguments to you. Have one more greentext
>Plus you assume that Nintendo is attempting to shirk the rating. When there's nothing to prove this.
You have less of a base than I do. If you want to reject my proposal substitute a better one. Oh yeah, your notion is that Treehouse just decided to edit everything because it's their morality. It's substantiated by what exactly?
I never portrayed my explanation as containing hard proof, just a more likely explanation than your boogeyman conspiracy.
>>316489998
Ignore what's being said in this thread and look at the fact: Nintendo is dying.
Don't like it? Stop buying their stuff and let them die, it's not like people supporting this crap are actually buying their game.
Missing on a great game? Buy it used.
Vote with your fucking wallet.
Make a Twitter trend #stopcensorship #leavegamesthewayitwasintended
>>316512947
Why? So the fuckholes can just say it's Gamergate that's upset and deny that there's a real contingent of upset consumers?
>>316490996
>the right side of history
>btw I don't know shit about History.
>Oh wait, I'm an amerifat with only 300 years of history, there's no way I could have known this kind of shit already happened
>>316512818
>I clearly gave up making reasonable arguments to you.
Then we're done. Because I've attacked your points directly. Making counter arguments. And you're just posturing. Attempting to maintain your cloud of doubt. So you can continue making your baseless point about Nintendo losing money, or having their public image hurt.
>>316512232
>credible than SJW boogeymen.
How so? So many things are being censored, replaced, or added because of these people, there's a reason to think they add an incentive to censor things, especially in the games industry where they're so prominent. Even if these threads you can see people like you who use terms like "SJW boogeyman" defending censorship with all you have.
>That costs more than making one version that doesn't get banned in the first place.
Then why does this not apply to every other game? Australians usually get censored games or banned games, while we get the uncensored version. There's no reason to think this wouldn't apply to a game like Fatal Frame 5, especially when it's as simple as keeping the original version without removing the costumes in the NA/EU release, and not doing that in Australian version. The costs of keeping the NA/EU the same as the Japanese version and simply making an identical version except without the costumes for Australia would be minimal.
>>316513286
You attacked my position fine I guess
>you can't be sure you're right!
Brilliant really. I've also asked for your evidence and your position. Where are those? It's easy to shoot down a theory without having a better one.
Continue to make your baseless point about Treehouse pushing an agenda.
I never said anything about public image, but sure throw that in there because it's just another details that betrays your point of view.
I love your counter points, really. "You don't know!" Classic.
>>316500470
>Milo
Go back to 8gag and take your kikes with you
>>316508959
No need to sell, wait for an exploit. There are already some.
>>316513980
>responding to an obvious joke post from 2 hours ago and taking it seriously
You're a smart guy.
>>316489998
their censoring is so tame that i really don't give a shit
>>316513951
Yep, more posturing. Now you're even rewriting the history of our exchange.
Look, I laid out all of my arguments already.(Well... Not ALL of them, I still have a few arguments up my sleeve) Whenever you feel like actually addressing them, and not just green texting them back at me with a condescending tone, then we can talk. Otherwise, go peacock to someone else. I'm sure there will be like 10 other censorship threads today for you to muck around in. I think another one is up right now, in fact.
>>316513308
Things aren't free and minimal doesn't mean inconsequential.
I'm done arguing with people that don't understand that businesses run on profit.
I never thought /v/ would be so against SJWs that they'd defend Nintendo from an accusation of being cheap.
>>316514596
Yeah, you're cool and reserved tone on 4chan totally isn't posturing either.
I found a single post with you talking about why you think Treehouse is at the center of a conspiracy theory.
>Based on their morality, yes. Translators are people with their own beliefs and perspectives.
Think about it this way: They actually managed to make the replacement costumes in Fatal Frame prior to the game's release. Which means, hypothetically, we could have gotten both the Nintendo costumes, and the lingerie. But instead of giving us more, they removed the "problematic" costumes. Do you think that's good business? No. That's the morality police getting involved where they shouldn't.
Was there an argument in there? What there evidence of anything?
Correct me if I'm wrong but I read it like this
>people have their own morality
okay, yes
>and Treehouse is incapable of doing their job separate from that and are devoted to censoring the games they work on
evidence please
Your point about Fatal Frame is malformed. You didnt adress anything about why it happened, just that we could have had both content. Something everyone knows and doesn't prove Treehouse is applying their moral filter to games.
>>316512785
>http://techforums.nintendo.com/thread/73385
Trolling. Nothing new.
>>316515439
I'm not posturing. I'm chastising. Because you made it perfectly clear that you don't want to be reasonable with me. Why would I waste my energy trying to come up with reasonable arguments in exchange?
The questions you're asking now have already been addressed. Maybe you should review the exchange, and then come back with arguments that counter my arguments.
>>316489998
>boycotting
Fucking hippies are invading now
>>316489998
>game for children
>waaah censorship
>>316518279
>Fatal Frame 5
>Rated M
>for children
And it's not like you waited 18 to start fapping.
>>316518512
>Nintendo
>not for children
grow up weeb
>>316518512
fap to reality you degen fuck
>>316509124
>Implying anyone was buying it for the gameplay anyway
The shitposters saying it played like an offline MMO weren't wrong, the game plays like shit regardless.
People were buying for the story, which has been butchered, and after they were announced, the sexy outfits, which are gone.
There's no point in buying this ruined carcass of a game.
>>316516265
Holy shit anon, are you this deluded?
You gave no arguments that support your claim, refuse to now, and claim I'm too something to be bothered with now.
But no, your condescension and calculated calm are in no way posturing. I'm the emotional one protecting their world view and you're the reasonable one with evidence and logic on your side. Hell, you even have a few tricks up your sleeve I believe was the phrasing? Well I've seen one trick from you today, the disappearing argument.
>>316519035
>fapping to 3DPD
Fucking degenerate, literally a rapist releasing his pulsions because he can't get real women.
>>316519562
>Fucking degenerate
>coming from the loser who faps to 2D
Loving
Every
Laugh
>>316519562
get some friends without greasy hair and autism then talk shit to me
>>316519562
fatal frame is 3d?
>>316519801
Hey anon, it seems you didn't get the obvious joke.
>>316519937
>I can't follow a conversation
>>316519549
Again, I did make arguments. All you did was greentext them back to me in strawmen form. That's where the exchange fell apart. You are the cause of, and the solution to this problem. All you have to do is go back and give real counter arguments. or dismantle my arguments properly.
I don't have faith that you will. Because you constantly rewrite the conversation in your mind. You'd doing it again right now. Putting words in my mouth. I never said you were the emotional one. That's just another assumption you've made by misreading my posts. Just like the assumptions you've made about business, by misreading Nintendo's actions.
And you purposely misread my phrasing, so you can shoehorn your little "trick" quip. I'd say you're feeling full of yourself right now.
>waaah, why can't I see panties and asses in these games made for 5-12 year olds
How sexually depraved were you in your teenage years and early 20s, providing of course you're even over 20 years old?
>>316520023
i was replying to op which is mario 3d shit
then fatal frame was brought up which is also 3d
you're the one who is having trouble keeping up, must be because you don't talk to people irl
>>316521085
>>316489998
>Fatal Frame, Xenoblade, Bravely Default... what's the next target on their list? Probably Fire Emblem Fates.
Read the OP at the very least.
>>316501439
I wrote an e-mail back then when the censorship stuff first started, got a reply about a month later with this
>>>
Hello,
Thank you for taking the time to write to us with your feedback regarding the localization process for Xenoblade Chronicles X. I'm sorry it took me so long to respond to your email. We've been incredibly busy lately.
We can certainly understand your thoughts on this matter and want you to know how much we appreciate you sending them in. Even though we can't guarantee that the game will be changed as a result, we want to assure you that your comments will be added to our records for Xenoblade Chronicles X and will be made available for the proper departments at the company to review and thoughtfully consider.
Sincerely,
Nintendo of America Inc.
Nayt Snyder
>>>
Guess they thoughtfully considered to keep on censoring
>>316520886
What about the gays and women who are upset?
>>316520578
I'm not talking about the arguments you gave against my explanation asshole, I want your argument for your ideas. I've been pretty clear about asking this over and over.
You're an asshole for being so obtuse and literal. You never literally called me emotional, yes.
Your autism is outstanding.
Can you give me the arguments that support your explanation for the censorship now?
>>316507515
calm down anon
>>316523486
>Still replying 30 minutes later, and many posts after the argument ended.
>Still doesn't take responsibility for the communication break down.
>Expects others to do the heavy lifting in amending the conversation.
>Oblivious to one's own hypocrisy.
Confirmed mental disorder. So which is it? OCD? Autism? An inflated sense of self esteem?
>>316524176
>it's impossible to do something and come back to a thread
this is a forum, not a chat room
>blame others for their own illiteracy
I asked several times and even quoted one of your posts, don't be a cunt
>refuses to contribute, blames others for not trying
>it's hypocritical to ask for your opposition's replacement hypothesis
Confirmed ego issue. I asked so much for your stance and you refuse to give it, then blame me.
And now that you've even realized what I want, you refuse to give it out of some pseudo intellectual spite.
Try having a position of your own next time.
>be a long-time fan of the Xeno series
>be alady
>hear about the boob slider being changed
>maybe it was toned down, let me se-
>NAH M8 COMPLETELY GUTTED
>come into this thread
>they've removed the various Christian/Gnostic symbolism which has been in the Xeno series since it's inception
>mfw
I am pretty furious right now. I'm furious because it's not a sin to have boobs and I'm furious because why even call it Xenoblade if you're gonna take the symbolism out of it? Who is this fucking game going to appeal to?
>>316502018
Following your example tbqf, I've had enough of this shit.
>i wont buy it unless i cant see some panties!!1
Not buying a single Nintendo product until this censorship madness stops.
It is NEVER okay to censor anything, those who don't care should fuck off to china already, they won't be missed.
>>316501521
fucking this
WII U GOING UP FOR SALE
>>316524698
See >>316512818
>I clearly gave up making reasonable arguments to you.
We're not discussing anything, because you can't admit you were the reason communication fell apart. Even if you believed my arguments were trash, you still failed to refute them properly. And no, I'm not going to bother putting in any effort, since you clearly don't care. You just want to posture more. I gave you the out of the conversation many posts ago. I told you we're done. Yet, here you still are. What are you trying to prove at this point?
How much will Gamestop give for a WiiU with some games and a couple of controllers?
The only thing I'm concerned about is Fates. From what I've read, some of the dialogue is pretty heavy for a FE game and I'm worried that they're going to change it all to "Oh gee willikers, I'm really going to give that big meanie a piece of my mind!"
>>316525836
>We're not discussing anything, because you can't admit you were the reason communication fell apart.
You have to be over 18 to post here
Your high and mighty shit ends here, you're too upset to give your opinion. Take your self righteous attitude and fuck off.
>here you still are
as opposed to you?
It feels good to finally confirm you're full of shit.
>>316526490
>"Oh gee willikers, I'm really going to give that big meanie a piece of my mind!"
Oh damn, could you leak the rest of the script too?
>>316526490
if FE Amie is removed and I can'tpatmy waifu'sheadI'm going to be furious.
>>316502679
>While we're at it, what kind of faggot thinks "voting with your wallet" is actually doing something?
I don't wanna sound like I'm defending boycotting or anything... but if nobody buys the game then the company will go bankrupt
>>316526562
>Your high and mighty shit ends here
Oh, you're funny.
>>316526018
5 dollars
>>316520886
>teen-rated and mature-rated games
>made for 5-12 year olds
Why are tumblrfags so retarded?
>>316499658
>>316499939
It's funny to see nintoddlers use the same bullshit arguments, which they use against outsiders, on each other. HURR, I just care about gameplay, man. You're not a real video game fan if you at all care about graphics/censorship.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, FAGGOTS
>>316500149
Uhm, how about both? Also, just because you are for smaller government and hate niggers doesn't make you a christard conservatard.
>>316500470
Trump owns Miss Universe and shit. I think he's the furthest from a sex negative person.
>>316502709
>COME THE FUCK ON NINTENDO!
Why is neo-/v/ full of pro-censorship retards now?
theres a difference between censorship and self censorship. censorship is when someone forces you to do it. self censorship is when you, of your own free will, choose to do.
no, just because they use the same words dosent mean they are the same thing. no, just because they use the same words are they equally bad. if you attempt to argue that self-censorship is as bad as censorship, or not okay in some circurmstances
well, pin, credit card number, name and address please. wouldnt wanna...censor yourself, would you.
>>316492029
they are the mature audience is non existent.
>Aside from some religious stuff in xbx the only stuff censored is revealing costumes for little girls
Keep crying you nonce.
>>316530309
New generation doesn't understand the concepts of artistic integrity and "selling out". The punk and grunge eras died. It used to be uncool to subscribe to a corporate or government programs. Now it's fully expected for corporations to feed you. And if you're not a part of a corporation, then you simply make yourself into one, and whore yourself out shamelessly. The new generation knows no shame.
>>316533302
How do you not feel intense embarrassment typing shit like this for other people to see?
>>316533542
But I did. Because I knew how it would sound to others. I posted it anyway because it's the truth.
>>316526740
Well, you can't.
Have fun.
>>316532203
>censorship is when someone forces you to do it. self censorship is when you, of your own free will, choose to do.
You realize that these two things are often linked, right?
If you're under a tyrannical regime that will kill you if you say the wrong thing, you're gonna self-censor to avoid getting killed. You're not forced to self-censor yourself, you just don't want to get killed so you avoid doing it. The same thing can be said about other censors like groups and institutions.
>no, just because they use the same words dosent mean they are the same thing
No one said, they're the same thing, they're still both bad.
>>316533542
You're not really refuting anything he said.
man i thought i was a loser for sitting home playing games on a friday, but apparently there are people on this very planet who go apeshit over their "right" to boob sliders and pantsu, calling it "creative freedom". just dont buy the games, go on youporn or fakku or something instead.
>>316533847
>your going to self censor to avoid being killed
ah, see, wrong. thats not self-censor ship, thats censorship. in this case, its not the persons own, voluntarily choice to self-censorship. and he cant decided to say it of his own regard, or, the government, will kill him. when it became the goverment, or a group, it changed from self censorship, to censorship.
see, if that guy was allowed to say something, wouldnt be killed for it, but...then decided, not to say it, thats self censorship.
>>316534140
>games shouldn't have any sexuality because porn exists
How many times are you gonna use this shitty argument before you realize it doesn't work?
>>316534140
and heres the guy not aware that many countries in the world are also censoring porn based on boob sizes. huh. welcome to the non existent slippery slope, huh?
>>316534481
im not saying games shouldnt have sexuality, i just dont get how anyone with a life can care this much about that
>>316534448
>its not the persons own, voluntarily choice to self-censorship.
Yes, it is. He's making the voluntary choice to not speak out against the government, and not move to another country because he doesn't want to get killed or move to another place. He could do it and face the consequences, but he made the choice not to.
>when it became the goverment, or a group, it changed from self censorship, to censorship.
What defines a "group" to you?
If Nintendo removes Christian imagery from their game because they don't to offend Christians, they don't want Christians to say bad things about them and refuse buying their games, or they don't want Christians to write bad reviews about their game, is it censorship? It's the same system. A group will punish them financially or socially if they do something, so they self-censor to avoid that.
It's obviously not the same level of gravity, but I'm just explaining why there's often a blurred line between self-censorship and censorship.
>>316534949
My sword doesn't cut. It's just for show. But I don't put it on display. I do keep it to the front of my closet though, in case someone tries to break in, and I need something to swing at them. It may be dull, but it's still a hunk of metal.
>>316500756
purple monkeys
>>316535095
well, youd assume a goverment willing to kill people for speaking out wouldnt just, let them walk away. be consistent, yes? yes, if he was allowed of his own free will to walk away, sure, its self censorship.
just like, in my house, in my property, i can tell you to fuck off it i dont like what your saying. its not censorship because you are free to say what you want. elsewhere. same reason its not censorship when you get hushed at a public library.
>>316534140
>Just don't watch the movie. What are you, some edgy teenager? Enjoy your PG13 action flick. If you want to see blood and gore go to liveleak or rotten or something instead.
That's how fucking retarded you sound. As if every instance of fanservice were intended for people to pause and literally start fapping. It's not exlusively if at all for that. It's just nice to have it there. The fact that more explicit material exists elsewhere is completely irrelevant.
It's like getting upset at somebody who complains that there's no salt in their food. What kind of loser are you to go apeshit about not having a little bit of salt in your food? You can go to a supermarket, buy a whole packet and eat it by the spoonful you sad, entitled piece of shit.
You see how that kind of argument you employed is a kind of a little bit completely false?
>>316534846
>anybody with a life
REEEE, NORMIE GET OUT
Where the fuck do you think you are faggot? This ain't facebook, kid. There's lots of people here whose life is videogames.
What made you think you would find people with "a life" on 4chan you fucking dumb motherfucker?
GTFO, Chad.
>>316510149
Other M wasn't butchered. Now you fags don't want censorship?
>>316529846
>i fucken hate niggers, pool is closed lol
>:-)
>>316535375
just buy a gun for fuck's sake
>>316534846
>just like, in my house, in my property, i can tell you to fuck off it i dont like what your saying. its not censorship because you are free to say what you want. elsewhere. same reason its not censorship when you get hushed at a public library.
Yes, and under a fascist regime, you're free to say whatever you want. In another country, that is, or as long as you keep very quiet about it (in the context of gaming, being quiet about it would mean only releasing your game for download on a small website you made because all the stores like Steam, Apple Store, etc. suddenly refuse to put it up for sale because it was suddenly considered too objectionable).
I'm just explaining why the line between those two things is blurred, and why self-censorship is such a pernicious thing. People who think only the government be held responsible for censorship and anything else is trivialized as "not censorship" are retarded.
>>316536821
Aww, poor wittle nigglet. Don't cry too hard and always remember #yourblagglifematturs :(
>>316534949
>If I compare OP to a fat person, it makes his argument invalid!
>>316490519
>>316499623
kill yourself
>>316499834
nope faggot just dont show the age of character like Senran Kagura
>>316536085
silencing with the threat of violence is fucking censorship.
>>316537050
I don't even know where to start.
>No gun training.
>No knowledge of guns.
>No money to buy guns.
>Don't know how to get a license.
>Live in an apartment building with thin walls. Don't want to miss and accidentally shoot my neighbors.
I'll just stick with my metal stick.
>>316489998
I don't care as long as the games are still fun.
I don't buy Nintendo games for titties, but it's a nice bonus when they're there.
>>316489998
reminder that nintendo has been censoring shit since the 80s, long before you were born
>>316538478
Reminder that this argument has already been debunked multiple times.
>>316538165
>Using a katana(?) in a small(?) apartment
Nigga pls don't
>>316538601
how has it been debunked? are you really trying to argue that nintendo's 80s games weren't censored to hell and back?
>>316538165
>break into fag's apartment
>immediately assaulted by the smell of dried cum
>action figures and anime girls everywhere
>fat fuck wearing workout shorts and an anime t-shirt walks out with a samurai sword
>"i-if you know what's good for you, you'll leave"
what do?
>>316538601
Really? So I just imagined Mortal Kombat's blood turning into sweat?
>>316538615
Well m bedroom is an alright size. The hallway might present a problem though. But it's a very truncated call. So it's only like two steps into the open living room.
In any case, I figured I would just stick to vertical swings, and thrusts. I'm not going to swing it like a baseball bat.
>>316538727
>what do?
*Leave*. I'm not fucking with that guy. He obviously watches enough anime to know martial arts.
>>316538670
1) In the 80s, the ESRB didn't exist. There was no rating system to tell consumers what kind of content was in the game, so publishers like Nintendo had to make ridiculous rules because they didn't want people to buy their games, realize it's full of content that they didn't want and complain. Games were also new, demonized, less accepted, and almost only played by kids so it made bit more sense to avoid any controversy. When the ESRB was created, there was no reason to keep this kind of content out of the games because anyone could just look at the rating, so you started seeing the kind of edgy shit on PS1, or games like Conker's Bad Fur Day for N64.
2) Just because censorship happened in the past, it doesn't make it fine now. It was always stupid. Mortal Kombat had blood on Sega Genesis, and that's why that version was more popular. People have always cared about censorship.
>>316539251
What the fuck does any of that debunk? Can you read and interpret the English language? All I said was that Nintendo has been censoring shit since the 1980s.
>>316539385
>All I said was that Nintendo has been censoring shit since the 1980s.
Yeah, but the implication is usually that censorship then was the same as censorship now, which it wasn't, or that the fact that censorship happened in the past means it shouldn't be a problem. They're both flawed arguments.
>>316539251
>publishers like Nintendo had to make ridiculous rules because they didn't want people to buy their games, realize it's full of content that they didn't want and complain.
No one else engaged in censorship the way Nintendo did, stop pretending this was the norm.
>>316539535
>Yeah, but the implication is usually that censorship then was the same as censorship now
No, the implication is that Nintendo has a rich history of censoring shit and that this should not be surprising in the least. Complaining about Nintendo censoring games is like complaining that /b/ is full of teenage shitposters.
Learn to read, Jesus.
>>316539596
They did, just to a lesser extent.
And the fact that they didn't care as much as Nintendo is what got Sega into trouble with Night Trap and all this shit, they had to take it up to Congress, which resulted in the ESRB being created.
>>316539757
>has a rich history of censoring shit and that this should not be surprising in the least.
See, here you're implying that censorship then was the same as censorship now, and shouldn't be held to different standards. I'm saying back then censorship was more justifiable.
>Complaining about Nintendo censoring games is like complaining that /b/ is full of teenage shitposters.
And here you're making that second implication that since it's happened in the past, it shouldn't be considered a problem and people shouldn't complain about it.
>>316540086
>See, here you're implying that censorship then was the same as censorship now,
No, I'm not. Jesus Christ, you seem to like reading between the lines. Pick up a Thomas Pynchon novel instead of responding to me.
>>316536515
"reeee normie get out". are you being serious rn? all i do is play video games. i study video games and pursue a career in game development, and i still dont see how pantsu can possibly be this important. and anyone who compares this to 1984-levels of censorship, stop for a second before replying and think with your brain for once.
>>316536274
would you really complain about your food being unsalted? christ almighty, out of all things...
>>316541208
He's just false-flagging as an /r9k/ frogposter.
Also look up the details on how much they butchered XCX. Trying to trivialize it as "pantsu" or making a strawman about 1984 is retarded.
>>316541542
did they remove other parts of the game? if so, that totally sucks. in the last 7 threads about it ive only seen the boob slider mentioned so i assumed that was it. i still dont really know what the actual game is like desu
>>316489998
>kids with mobile phones can type boob in google in less than 1 sec
>NOA thinks they are protecting the children and their fragile minds.
>>316542664
Somehow people still find reasons to defend this shit even though I can go to any website like MSN's front page and see a bunch of celebrities in skimpy outfits, or watch music videos and see way worse. But no, we need to cover up the virtual women.
Literally loving every second of this. Anti censorship fags literally BTFO AHAHHAHAHA.
Going to buy and enjoy this game while you autismal fucks continue to shed tears over a boob slider.
I don't even condone censorship but seeing you guys get blown the fuck out never gets old
>>316490996
Imagine if Hitler 2.0 appears. The right side of history will suddenly be very different.
>>316543458
>I don't even condone censorship but seeing you guys get blown the fuck out never gets old
I love the doublethink.
>I don't even condone censorship, therefore I'm opposed censorship
>BUT I LOVE SEEING PEOPLE WHO ARE OPPOSED TO CENSORSHIP NOT GETTING WHAT THEY WANT
>>316543879
Yep I dont condone censorship, but seeing you guys lose the plot over this provides more entertainment to me then skimpy outfits in a video game.
Is this not in the game?
>>316544182
If you don't condone censorship, wouldn't it be a better idea to speak out against it instead of saying other people shouldn't do it and wanting them to be BTFO?
Deep thoughts for deep thinkers.
>>316544356
I want to know this too.
>>316541529
yes
>>316538149
by a group, which makes it censorship, yes. different from self censorship
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