So what does this mean for the inevitable Smash 5? They seem to be blowing their load real hard with this DLC stuff. Most of us expected a bunch of C-listers when they first announced that they were going to bring more characters to the game, but boy oh boy were we wrong.
Not that I'm complaining mind you, but in the long term what could they possible do to top this lineup? (Because chances are, most of these guys won't come back for the sequel.)
What kind of big guns could they even bring in to make a hypothetical Smash 5's roster as great as this?
>>316476915
With this much 3rd party character included in Smash, I'm compelled to believe that they are trying to add as much as they can so that there can be a crap ton of variety for people love playing 8 player Smash. We're only missing 3 to fill the rest in if we include Mario in the mix just to represent Nintendo as a whole.
>>316476915
Only way I can see Smash 5 topping it is if they don't cut ANYONE and add some more people.
>>316476915
Nintendo could give us Snake back
by next installment it'll just be super vidya bros
it would be way too much work for them to make another smash game for NX from the ground up at this point, and if they did, it would pale in comparison to this one in terms of content.
so my guess is they're going to take advantage of the fact that NX is both a mobile and home console, and make a smash 4 dx which combines all the features and content of the wii u and 3ds version, and maybe adds some characters that couldn't run on the 3ds version (ice climbers, chorus kids, pokemon trainer)
I was wondering about this too. I know Sakurai is full of shit, but he did say he wasn't going to go overboard with expanding the roster in the early days and I think none of us really expected it to exceed maybe 45ish?
Part of me thinks this is truly Sakurai's last Smash so he's throwing all sorts in with a view that he doesn't care what happens for Smash 5.
Id really hate them to reduce the roster but SSB4 was scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of big hitters.
Well, then it's just the inevitable Super Smash Bros. for _____.
They'd just use SSB4 as the base and just keep adding more whilst making tweaks.
I've been thinking that probably Smash 5 will not be a conventional title in the series, but just simple port of the existing game with a graphic upgrade like more polished 3D models, some tweaks to the gameplay and new content.
That would be the wisest choice considering how much work and time are invested, I don't think Sakurai can get into these conditions anymore.
>>316478162
>they do it for us!
No, you naive fucktard.
They are doing this to stop the inevitable second try at people copying smash. If they have a monopoly of all the characters in the industry, no one will ever again try to take smash away from Nintendo.
This is strictly business, it has nothing to do with your fun feels. They don't care about you.
I think the next Smash should focus less on adding a bunch of newcomers and more on bringing back as many veterans as possible and polishing them up (ie Zelda/Samus).
There's not that many worthy characters left in my eyes. The two Nintendo series left that I think warrant a playable character are Rhythm Heaven and Splatoon.
I don't give two fucks about the next smash roster as long as it has some fucking decent gameplay.
>>316479287
Don't forget Wonder "Literally Who?" Red!Shame it will never happen... ;_;
Earlier sombody posted saying they want Sakura from CCS in Smash, and I didn't realize until now how much I also want this.
>>316479287
I disagree. The only vets that are missing from smash 4 that *should* be in are Wolf and Snake, and maybe Ice climbers.
>>316479287
Still plenty of retro characters for them to pull from.
Also still waiting on k rool and Dixie Kong.
>>316479287
Nah, gotta get dat Isaac
>>316479287
Chibi Robo needs smash to live
I hope Smash 5 reinvents some characters
Funny how Link has the most coward-like play style and is the Triforce of Courage
Tails, I just want Tails already.
>>316476915
focus on the wii u characters just like how this game focused on wii characters?
there would be no way to top the guest characters so they would have to bring all or most of them back. really all they need to do is save inklings for smash 5 and thats it really. Besides if they were to include an inkling in smash 4 they would just become a gun character since inking would kill the frame rate.
>>316479614
This, I'm still waiting on Takamaru as one of the five people that actually played his game here in the state.
Plus let's not forget any potential new IPs that may or may not come out between now and then. I have a feeling Splatoon's success will bring about an era of experimentation from Nintendo and usher in a few new first party IPs.
>>316479287
I feel the opposite. I think they should focus on representing as many series as possible. I WANT the literally whos. There are also a lot of characters that don't really feel necessary to bring back. Robin, Bowser Jr, Rosalina, and Greninja for some examples.
>>316479614
Honestly, I've always felt like Sakurai chose retro characters as a means to represent specific aspects of Nintendo's past. I don't think he's ever added them for the sake of it.
You have Mr. Game & Watch repping the G&W line of handhelds, you have R.O.B representing the R.O.B. peripheral and its associated "Robot Series" games and you have Duck Hunt representing the NES Zapper and its associated "Light Gun Series" games. Lastly I think you could argue Ice Climbers represented the early "Action Series" titles like Clu Clu Land and Urban Champion that predated Super Mario Bros. When Sakurai was looking for a retro character in Melee those were his other options, along with Balloon Fighter.
I think Pit was added not just because he was old, but because he was popular. Pit was probably the most popular retro character request by far prior to Brawl, and Sakurai even said as much.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/31/sakurais-smash-bros-update
>I was well aware that Pit was a popular character in both America and Japan. I tried as best I could to design this version of him in a way that reflected current tastes, so I'm happy to see him so well received.
>>316476915
Is it wrong that I want Goku and Master Chief? Those just seem like they'd be the icing on the cake at this point. The ultimate bullshit pulls.
>Super Smash Bros. for NX
>it's a SSB4 port with Subspace Emissary-like mode added
Would you like it, /v/?
>>316480331
no, sm4sh is fucking ass
>>316476915
Personally I think the novelty of a "guest" or "invitational" Smash would be pretty appealing to most people for the next installment.
12 or so integral Nintendo characters (Aka the most popular, most marketable characters) and then just dump a buncha guests in, it would turn Nintendo into some sort of godfather figure with other companies begging for their characters to get in, and rabid Smash fan's wildest dreams being fulfilled in the process.
>>316479857
Salty as fuck
Since the colors changed from green to purple, could this mean anything?Master Chief and Spyro conformed
>>316480418
Isn't that what Smash already is?
>>316480331
Yes, I'd love it.
>>316480331
SSE was a chore with nothing to do with the source material. I'd rather take Melee's Adventure mode.
>>316480331
Naaaaaah. I agree with >>316480806
A Melee styled adventure mode would be shorter and sweeter.
>>316478448
Ye.. Soon after that it'll be super everything bros.
>>316480679
Piccolo confirmed
thanks cod
>>316480806
>>316480976
That works too.
The point of the question was more about "smash 5 or this port with actual content?"
Would you take adventure mode with the massive roster it already has or smash 5 with (most likely, at least) smaller roster?
Konami rep?
Level-5 rep?Sony rep?
>>316480679
Thanks doc
Slightly off-topic but where I can find the archived version of /v/'s live reaction to the direct? Someone must've archived that right?
>>316481418
Maybe some Yo-kai Watch character and hopefully a Belmont.
>>316481626
Rather have snake than a belmont to be honest my family member.
>>316476915
>all this third party shit
>awkward lack of acknowledgement of the first third party
at least tell us if they said no sakoreye
>>316481289
I'd prefer improved gameplay over either of these.
>>316481626
>Yo-kai Watch
>>316481565
You won't find it because the mods pruned the threads. In a single minute 40 cloud threads were made and in the next 10 minutes only 2 remained.
It wasn't a "hell yeah hypeee" reaction, more like a "what the fuck?" and a "holy fuck one saw this one coming" type
>>316476915
I think they're going all in because there might be no Smash 5. I don't exclude the possibility of a "Smash Turbo" version of Smash 4 (and a Melee HD) to please people who enjoy Project M or Melee more. I say this mostly because Sakurai has been giving signs that he wants to move on to something new for a while now, which is understandable. For as much as I love Smash (and I REALLY do), it would be much better to see Sakurai and a new team try to create an exciting and original fighter rather than just releasing a disappointing "Brawl 2" Smash game.
Apparently they're trying to get a new series of 3D fighters involving Pokemon off the ground; it's a far cry from Smash's popularity, but it might the first of many attempts to create the next revolutionary and console-selling nintendo fighter.
As long as they create something that is interesting for both casuals and more invested players they should be fine, but I fear that negative feedback from the community ("No, fuck you Sakurai; you're going to make Smash 5 because I want Character X to be in Smash" etc) might hinder the creation of new projects.
>>316481939
>smash 4
>disappointing
You are in the minority.
>>316481935
Why are you lying?
boards.4chan.org/v/thread/316391037
>>316482017
Because I was here.
>Linking me to a single thread when dozens were pruned
lol
>>316482123
some of them should be on the off site archives
>>316481657
>>>316391037
>"This thread is a rolling sticky. Only the most recent 1000 posts will be displayed."
Aww why this, I just wanted to scroll through all the reactions while wearing a dumb smile on my face
>>316476915
>base roster is a bunch of clones and literally whos
>DLC is all the popular faggots that will rake in the cash
all part of the plan
>>316482013
I literally can't see where you've got that idea from; I didn't say Smash 4 was disappointing. The "Brawl 2" thing concerned a hypothetical game for the next generation, if that's what created the confusion.
No hate, though; I know some people shit on Smash 4 for unfair reasons (they just want Melee back - as though it had dissapeared), so I understand if you got a bit defensive about it.
>>316476915
If people didn't think we'd be getting weird ass non-nintendo related characters from the ballot, that's their own stupidity. Cloud doesn't surprise me any more than Goku or Wolf would.
>>316481885
I don't care about the game much but considering Smash is just as much about product placement I'm not shocked.
They're going to have Smash 5 be the game that adds all the Nintendo faces people have been clamoring for. This game? Prepare for more 3rd parties, because why not? It's fucking MUGEN at this point.
>>316482013
No, he isn't. Smash For was and still disappointed me so far.
>>316476915
>So what does this mean for the inevitable Smash 5?
It would be cool if they tried to make good gameplay again.
>New Super Smash Bros.
>conglomerate of the original 8 fighters and then strictly new franchises - Inkling, Wonderful 101, Codename STEAM fighters etc
>>316482326
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/316391037/
>>316483697
The most based of anons
>>316476915
>So what does this mean for the inevitable Smash 5?
Without Iwata around to pressure his old buddy Sakurai into churning out Smash games, he will move on to other projects. Kimishima isn't a fool, though, and will recognize the potential Smash has as a cash cow and will give the series to Miyamoto, who will reboot it as New Super Smash Bros which will have a 20-character roster and even more watered down gameplay.
>>316480679
PANIC
I have a strong feeling that before we get Smash 5, we will get some sort of rerelease of 4 on the NX.
List Nintendo characters that should get in before any third party character.
I'll start
>Andy/Sami
>RH rep
>Isaac
>more Zelda/Metroid reps
>more varied FE/SF reps
>Paper mario
>Chibi Robo
They should have only Nintendo characters next game, cut the "newcomer" crap. I enjoy the actual cast, but I don't like the perspective of the franchise turning into a "Everything Smash Bros" and adding characters to pamper for cancerous fanboys. Nintendo has a shit ton of characters, it's not like they need to appeal saying "hey, kids, Goku may enter tee hee".
![cloud_smash.0.0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HjNGsKC.jpg "cloud_smash.0.0[1].jpg")
>>316476915
So how does it feel to have your first ballot choice, guys?
>>316485314
>cloud
>storms
GOD I JUST GOT IT
I'M RETARDED
>>316478261
>Only way I can see Smash 5 topping it is if they don't cut ANYONE and add some more people.
>don't cut ANYONE
This is Sakurai we're dealing with here. He gonna start all over again by cutting nearly half the roster and see who should return.
>>316476915
Since not a lot of people really own Wii U's I imagine Smash for NX will just end up being Sm4sh but with all DLC included. Like a Sm4sh ultimate edition.
Will we get an anime swordsman who isn't blonde or blue-haired at some point? Feels like they make up half the roster at this point.
>>316484873
Zelda has enough reps, Metroid doesn't have anybody, I'd agree to Paper Mario if they cut the chuff like Rosalina or Bowser Jr because there's way too much Mario shit already. Sami is a meme choice.
>Ryu is there to promote SFV
>Cloud is there to promote the FFVII remake and FF XV
Any other did IPs getting new games? Master Chief? Adam Jensen? Vault Boy?
>>316485792
Where's my new Pacman game
>>316485843
You mean that new cartoon? Plus, you could argue that he was decided upon long before the DLC characters.
>>316485416
I wouldn't be that mad.
>>316486073
Never seen that pic, it's a surprisingly good and clean roster.
>>316486073
That would be so awful.
>>316479287
I won't give up on the dream!
>>316479771
I agree
>>316486073
Yes let's arbitrarily remove some of the most interesting movesets in the game just because they're secondary characters. That will make the game better.
>>316487814
And obviously minor characters like Bowser are much less important than Wii Fit Trainer and fucking Duck Hunt.
>>316481939
fuck no nx better have a smash 5, all the people saying "just make a smash 4 port on NX" are retarded
>>316484695
>tfw after this the hype train will truly be over and Sm4sh will be in a decline from there
>>316486640
My fucking negroman.
>>316479175
So not only are you a jaded fucker, you're wrong on top of that. How sad.
There's enough attention to detail in each character show that Sakurai loves and respects their source material. Also if things were strictly business he would just add anybody and everybody in the game for publicity's sake a la Playstation All Stars.
>>316488060
/v/ is retarded I swear to dog.
People are literally asking for Nintendo to do less.
>>316476915
>the inevitable Smash 5?
Why do you think there will be a 5? what s the point when smash can just keep indefinitely updating and adding new content?
Why make ANOTHER smash so soon?
Jesus people, give the guy a fucking break. Can't you just be happy with what you have?
>>316476915
>What kind of big guns could they even bring in to make a hypothetical Smash 5's roster as great as this?
In my humble opinion, if they simply add the Nintendo characters that people actually want, the fans will be happy.
I'm willing to go as far as to say that there's really no need for third party characters if they include the first party ones that the fans really want (now, please don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining at all about the inclusion of third party characters, just pointing out that they have a lot of in-house characters that people really, really want to play as).
Smash 5 will just be a 2d fighter
>>316488647
>I swear to dog
Cheap thing to do if they want to keep the line up is to make Smash 5 based on Smash 4 assets but upgraded the character models and textures for the older stuff, also add a better single player mode so it won't feel like a rehash
>>316488880
Maybe because there will be another Nintendo console coming out in the next few years?
>>316488880
>>316489256
I think Sakurai should make one other game like Uprising (whatever it is) before Smash 5. That way, he won't burn out working on this series so much.
>So what does this mean for the inevitable Smash 5?
Huh? What do you mean? The gameplay hasn't changed. It's still 8 minutes to take 2 stocks. That's absolutely terrible
>>316489902
>Fuck why do I have to play this fun game for so long!!
>>316489987
Fuck why is the game so fucking slow?
>>316485004
I disagree. We've always had the most relevant Nintendo characters since the first Smash, sure, we're missing some like K. Rool but besides that, newcomers are a fun twist to the game. One of the main reasons I was interested Brawl back in '07 was the idea of having the possibility of having Mario fight Sonic and Snake. Crossovers are also a good thing, and now we have a full classic icons roster to enjoy, new and old players will have even more variety of people they know to select from and enjoy. Why is it a bad thing?
>>316490056
>Fuck why can't I zip zap blip bloop all around the stage?
>Smash 5
pls no.
I really want smash to end with 4. Its had a good run, and all good things must come to an end, dragging it any further would just ruin the series even further Its already divided by Melee tourneyfags, and causal Sm4sh players tot he point that neither can ever agree with one another.
I've been a fan since 64. I enjoy smash, Melee was great when it came out, brawl was even better, and Sm4sh is fantastic.
But after seeing all this ballot nonsense, people fighting tooth and nail of why X didnt get in, or why Y should get in, its gotten so poisonous and cancerous its jsut not fun anymore.
We used to have a friend in my group who would do NOTHING but talk about "why X should get into brawl" and draw up charts and graphs and write essays about how viable they were, and why they should be in smash. And this was before freaking Sm4sh was a thing.
They'd add Sonic characters, Marvel characters, Resident evil characters, and even later MLP.
And just the way smash fans act nowadays, this whole cloud reveal for instance: Instead of going "oh hey cool," People rant and complain and rave about why it wasnt "x" and send death threats. DEATH THREATS. for petes sake.
I've washed my hands on this nonsense. maybe I'm too old for it now, but this is utterly ridiculous, and childish. And I hope Sm4sh is the end of a once great series.
>>316491592
>being affected by the fanbase of a game you like
>>316491592
Nobody cares about melee niggers.
Smash will continue as people buy the games.
No matter how autismal the melee fanboys are, they have absolutely no influence over this and people shouldnt let them ruin their fun.
Same with retards who only bitch about newcomers.
Fuck them.
>>316480012
>Bowser Jr. doesn't need to come back
You do realize he's the second most important villain in the best selling video game series of all time?
>>316492083
Bowser Jr needs to stay because he enables all of the koopa kids in one character.
And thats great.
>>316480710
Well I meant the idea of 1/3rd Nintendo or Nintendo owned characters and 2/3 guest characters from 3rd parties, just a sort of novelty entry where the majority of characters are from different games. More of an invitational to non-Nintendo stuff than it already is, I meant.
>>316476915
Depending on how powerful Nintendo's next gen of hardware is, I'm expecting the next big Smash title to just be a Smash Bros. Complete Edition. Same game as Sm4sh, but with all DLC prepackaged and worked into the game, custom moves for the DLC characters, and the Ice Climbers put back in just to show off the new hardware capability.
This will tide people over and squeeze a good amount of more money that they will then channel into a proper Smash 5.
That's what I'm guessing anyway.
