So, did Blizzard just forget that Artanis' nerve cords were already cut?
>>316289794
They made him un-cut with surgery.
You can do that nowadays you know.
>>316289794
his model in BW was a DT model, they didn't have the time to make a model for templar.
how did we go from this...
>>316291575
...to this
>>316291684
WoW influenced, everything needs to fit the same style so you can recognize it as blizzard
>>316289794
Do they ever explain how Protoss breed?
There's been like a total of three female Protoss
>>316291317
Except his back story specifically mentioned that his nerve cords had been severed fighting the Zerg, which was why he was the perfect candidate to work with Dark Templar.
>>316289794
Also, why did they need to kill off the dark templar world? Why not just activate the xel'naga temple again instead of destroying the entire world. Seems at bit of an overkill and unnecessary
>>316294503
What would re-activating the Xel'naga temple do?
Shakuras has been over-run by zergs. Literally billions of them, and also count in hybrids.
>>316291575
Damn, he bulked up.
>>316293268
sauce?
>>316295484
That's what they used it for the first time. They used it to wipe the zerg off Shakuras because they followed them through the warp rift...
>>316289794
they grew back, duh
>>316289794
Since Mike "Coke me up mane" Morhaime is in charge of writing, you should not be surprised that he forgets his own fucking material.
>Raynor swears to kill Kerrigan for what she did in BW
>lol no he loves her awwwww what a nice love story!
>Mengsk loses everything he has and pulls all the favors he had in his unsuccessful attempt to kill Kerrigan in BW
>proceeds to be the biggest military force in the sector 4 years later
>in BW broods that don't have cerebrates go feral, that's why Kerrigan had to kill several broods
>lol no now Zerg hierarchy is just like Human or Protoss, with promotions n' shit. Plus all the contrived bullshit with PRIMAL FUCKING ZERG
>Tassadar sacrifices himself to kill the Overmind and stop the Zerg Scourge
>lol the Overmind was CORRUPTED and the Zergs dindu nuffin teehee
Awful, just fucking awful. I grew up with Starcraft and Broodwar and I loved every bit of the campaigns. The writing, the drama, the twists, they were all excellent. I was super excited for WoL and I couldn't wait to see how this universe will progress with this new installment. What we got on the other hand was one of the biggest disappointments I lived since I started playing video games. I am still mad about how Eidos fucked over Legacy of Kain and buried it under ground, but at least I have the bittersweet satisfaction of the awesome finale Defiance provided. Morhaime only provided a big steamy turd that shat on everything SC and BW stood for.
>>316292072
There's a female protoss unit available in the campaign.
>>316296876
>lol the Overmind was CORRUPTED and the Zergs dindu nuffin teehee
Why do you lie? It was specifially stated that the Overmind was fully in control,never corrupted or any such nonesense, but wanted to expand the Zerg enough to fight back, ensuring the Overmind's survival. Nothing more. It's still an evil being that wanted to consume everything regardless of the Xel'naga.
>>316294503
Well, Artanis mentions that it's hard as fuck working the temple without those special khaydarin crystals they used in BW.
But you know the whole planet blowing up is just Metzen trying to be poetic about forsaking old traditions and shit, don't look too deep into this shitty plot.
>>316297295
>fully in control
The Overmind itself says that he was enslaved and his only out was to create Kerrigan as a way to throw a monkeywrench into Amon's machine. Which not only it's retarded and totally ruins the Zerg backstory, but it's also unoriginal as fuck since if you replace the names above with Lich King, Arthas and Burning Legion you get the exact same thing.
>Kerrigan powers up in HoTS
>She powers up again in LoTV
So, in Starcraft 3 she should be ready to fight Perfect Amon, right?
StarCraft II shits all over StarCraft and Brood War. It's a fucking travesty.
>>316292072
>Do they ever explain how Protoss breed?
Well, when a boy protoss and a girl protoss love each other very much...
I mean, goddamn, have you seen Rohana's massive, childbearing hips? That's some purity of form right there.
Itty bitty titties, though.
>>316299425
Wide hips, thick thighs, and small tits are the perfect body type.
>>316297707
Considering the Xel-naga reveal in the epilogue this info is kinda unreliable. Since that space-Cthulhu pretended to be Tassadar he could have just lied to Zeratul about Overmind to make him less agitated towards Kerrigan. I know this is far fetched, but if Blizzard ever want to make Zerg villains again they'll probably pull this card.
>pre order this
>play the prologue a bit
>game won't even launch now, don't even get an error just "Sorry couldn't launch the game"
Wat
>>316299425
Best thing about Rohana are her alien chicken feet. I bet they are really soft since she always floats above the ground.
>>316297295
>It's still an evil being that wanted to consume everything regardless of the Xel'naga.
Are predators evil for killing to live? Is survival at all evil? The Overmind did what it must. It consumed because that was it's nature. There was no good or evil in StarCraft.
>>316300272
Except for Alarak. He's definitely evil.
>>316301385
He was the only entertaining character in LotV.
>>316299425
>small tits
>a con
Dude
>>316299548
This man right here is a genius
>>316299708
Are you on Windows 10?
Have you tried uninstall/reinstall?
Have you used the launcher and reset the game back to it's default settings?
>>316299708
run as admin
>>316299425
Got any other pictures of her? I'll draw her but I need more reference.
>>316297371
but... shakuras isn't the old traditions they're the new ones
>>316291684
More detail + armor and a bit more buff? Gee i dunno family
>>316303078
The whole Khalai and Nerazim separation is pretty old thing and half of the plot was about leaving behind old traditions like caste system, accepting those Nod-Protoss into the fold despite their cultural differences and stuff like that.
Can we talk about the epilogue ending for a bit? Can someone explain how in the fuck Kerrigan came back for Jim? Was that even real or was it just a delusion of his? Why do I have a feeling he just killed himself after realizing how shit his series became?
>>316303564
Well, she's a god now, she could have probably done whatever the fuck she wanted.
>>316303026
Just this one, right now.
>>316304392
And this .webm from the website.
>>316291870
Blizzard does seem to have a universal visual design for all of their games, and I don't particularly like it. Valve has DOTA 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, and Half Life and they all look completely distinct. Blizzard has Diablo, WoW, and Starcraft and you can't even tell which game a character belongs to.
I think I got the story of lotv
>templar = uncut Christians
>dark templar = Jews
>edgy protoss = muslims
> amon tries to control the protoss by infecting their foreskin
> jews not affected because they are already circumcised, muslims not effect because jihad
> in order to save themselves, the Christians must circumcise themselves.
>to make excuses for the loss of foreskin, they unite the other religions to make themselves look superior penis wise.
>killing amon was a bonus. The bastard should have think twice before infecting the foreskin.
Overall, a decent story.
>>316291008
Yeah
With a race that can put memories of dead people into robots, this seems plausible.
>>316304896
To be fair, once upon a time WC, SC and Diablo all had their own art styles. WC and SC were sort of similar until WC3 struck out into 3D but even then retained the overall design characteristics from WC1 and WC2.
But yeah, at some point when the last shred of Old Blizzard was lost to time and the Neo Blizzard transformation was complete everything got the "WoW" treatment. Flat textures, soft edges and a vaguely illustrated style. It's pretty awful since that style may fit the new direction that Warcraft took with WoW but it sure as shit doesn't fit Starcraft or Diablo.
Overwatch is a weird clash of different styles but overall retains that "WoW" look in the proportions and flatness of textures.
>>316305386
>killing amon
Hahahah, no. He'll be back in Worlds of StarCraft as a raid boss.Not even kidding.
So, what's your preferred unit combination in the campaign?
>respawning robo-Zealots for maximum worth
>dragoons
>warp-sphere emulating sentries
>big deeps nerazim immortals
>edgy red voidrays
>>316309061
>being tal'darim scum
>>316309358
It's not my fault they have coolest void rays.
>SC2 will never have factions for every army in mp a la RA2 because it gotta stay serious gookclick no fun allowed ever
>>316291575
>>316291684
nice gains
>>316295654
no source because here on /v/ we tell stories about heresay and make it up as we go along to further our resolve
This board is always fucking autistic when it comes to Starcraft lore
>>316301385
Alarak is hilarious
>>316311975
>>316295654
Broodwar's manual.
>>316303204
what do you mean by family
...
I finished LOTV yesterday.
I loved the Original and BW, but SC2's campaigns blew them out of the water for me.
I loved the ending of LOTV, and I'm very happy with the way Starcraft's story has ended.
Say what you must.
>>316313737
It's ok anon, denial is always the first step.
>>316313737
That's cool, bro. I wish they'd gone another way with the story. Now I just moan and complain on /v/. You win. I'm sure there a lot more like you than me.
>>316313970
Actually I forgot one thing.
Story aside, I vastly prefer the gameplay of SC2's campaigns, much more variety in general.
In BW, the Zerg campaign was just
>Defend your base
>Destroy the enemy base
>Get 10,000 minerals to destroy the enemy bases
>Destroy the enemy base
>Destroy the enemy base (with a five minute headstart)
>Destroy the enemy base (and some scientists)
>Destroy the enemy base
>Destroy the enemy base (and the Overmind)
>Destroy the enemy base (in 30 mins)
>Destroy the enemy base
>>316314176
I don't hate people that think it's shit, it's not perfect, I'll say that much. Just me personally, I loved it.
>>316313737
Whatever works for you. I liked the toss campaign mainly for the gameplay and establishing all the different toss factions, I didn't like the epilogue in the slightest though gameplay and story.
Someone spoil me
what happens to kerrigan and raynor
I'd love to play StarCraft with StarCraft II's mission design.
>>316314509
Kerrigan somehow turns back human and she and Raynor live happily ever after.
No joke.
ORDER ME... TO WAR
>>316314509
they lived happily ever after
>>316314509
Kerrigan eats a benevolent space Cthulhu, goes super sayan and fights an evil space Cthulhu. Then she turns back into human and walks away together with Rainor into the sunset. Everyone lives happily ever after.
>>316314612
>>316314675
>>316314734
Well then.
>>316289794
Don't forget the fact they reconnect him into the executor
>getting demoted for leading charge against your species arch nemesis
>>316314612
Actually that's probably Raynor in the afterlife. The bar was surrounded by light, dog.
>>316314734
>>316314675
>>316314612
that can't be real
really?
all that dramatic build up and that's what they do with it?
>>316314509
Basically? MASSIVE SPOILERS
>Kerrigan becomes a God and kills Amon
Two years later:
>The Dominion is now a great place for humanity to live in, and Emperor Valerian and Admiral Horner say everything is A-OK
>Zagara inherits the swarm, but out of respect for the Terrans and Protoss, goes and conquers unsettled planets for the Zerg to live on
>The Protoss rebuild on Aiur and live as a single people, except for the Tal'darim, who leave on good terms with everyone else to do their own thing
>Jim Raynor goes back to being a Marshall on Mar Sara, until one day Kerrigan finds him in Joey Ray's and takes him up to Heaven with here
AND THEY ALL LIVED HAPPILY EVER AFTER
Oh, also, you may not want to read this butZeratul was killed on Aiur.
>>316315127
It's completely 100% real. The campaign literally ends with all three races going into the void and fighting the evil Cthulu overlords and then Kerrigan becomes a god and then they win.
>>316314734
What's the point being made? Everyone assumed something dumb was bound to happen regarding Kerrigan. Do you know how many posts were made about Kerrigan and Artanis merging together? Or that all along Kerrigan was Xel'naga and she was the chosen one or some shit but really Ouros chose her because she was just the strongest being in the galaxy (which was already established in BW)
It could've gone so much worse but it didn't.
>>316315123
It says in the Epilogue that Raynor went missing and was never seen again, and all they found was the badge he left at the bar.
>>316315123
it was all a dream
>>316315245
You can't make up this shit
>>316315296
It was so fucking crazy I wasn't sure I was still playing Starcraft. I woke up the next morning like "Did I dream that?".
The Terran level was pretty weak as fuck compared to the WOL Finale.
No offense but I was expecting a badass holdout to the death.
Zagara's line never collapsed, and Artanis' line only crumbled when Kerrigan was already at 94% so I didn't really have to do shit.
>>316315127
Yeah, that's it. It felt like they didn't have enough money for a proper end so they awkwardly slapped a really hastily made epilogue on top of a somewhat decent toss campaign.
>>316315331
But they establish during the toss campaign that the strongest, best specimen of the 'pure' races can ascend into the Xel-Nagahood. Kerrigan isn't even a real Zerg (considering events of HotS I guess she kinda is, after becoming true feral zerg and shit). It could as well be Artanis, but Blizzard decided to do the whole Kerrigan redemption thing because she's a popular character.
I don't know why they can't understand that sometimes people like villains for being villains and don't really want to see them "redeemed".
>>316315245
nooooo!! spoileeeeerrs
>>316315245
Zeratul dying was probably the best part.
>>316315654
don't play on normal, then
but yeah the defense in protoss campaign finale was harder
>>316315245
Can't say I'm too surprised, but eh
I'll get around to playing it one of these days
>>316315860
>don't play on normal
Yeah fair enough I guess, that's always my first playthrough.
Fuck, the Last Stand at the temple mission is going to be fucking awful on Brutal.
>>316315654
Is that literally just the same as the last mission of Reign of Chaos?
>>316315720
Blizzard doesn't understand a great many things like: if you have your WoW team work on another game, it's just going to look and feel like WoW.
This is what happened to Diablo. Now, it's what happened to Star Craft.
Co-op mode is fun as fuck.
>>316316035
No it's very different, I just explained it very basically.
Though, you remind me of the time I finished it without the cheap invincible/mine exploit and I managed to save the Orcs.
>>316316035
No, there are actually two missions which are the same as reign of chaos finale. One of them is all the factions of the Protoss defending the artifact and one of them is all three races defending Kerrigan.
Repeat. Reuse. Recycle.
>Artanis was just some punkass Tassadar fanboy when he first appeared, chilling in his little aircraft and begging the Executor to do all the heavylifting
>Now he's Protoss Jesus and even does Zealot shit too
What happened
I've still got my manual for the original StarCraft. Reading through the story section, I'm struck by just how much they had to completely throw out to make Legacy of the Void work.
>>316316285
I don't know, but I'm glad it did.
I haven't played Starcraft since Brood Wars. Can someone explain why Kerrigan isn't evil anymore? I'm confused.
>>316316243
I wish it was like Chaos Rising finale, that one was actually cool. Instead they were more like final Undead mission.
>>316316413
Metzen's mental gymnastics made the orcs, I mean zerg not evil because of corruption.
>>316316413
Jimmy uses the xel'naga keystone to de-zerg her at the end of the terran campaign.
Then she re-zergs herself in the zerg campaign because of reasons. But now she's good.
>>316316413
Raynor used a Xel Naga artifact to purify her so she turned human. Then she turned back into Zerg until she found some Xel Naga ruins and altered her DNA to become part Xel Naga. Now that she's 33% human 33% zerg and 33% Xel Naga, she is good for some reason.
>>316316532
>Chaos Rising finale
you want to fight a non-threatening boss who has so much health it takes 2 hours to kill him?
>>316316413
Well you know
stuff
>>316316220
That mission is insane on hard without cheesing. If you end up as the only base left with some time decent time remaining, there's going to be a wave of 10+ infernals and the Dreadlord
>>316316668
>>316316632
>>316316534
That's fucking convoluted but I guess as long as it's explained?
>>316316779
It's not.
>>316316779
No the word you're looking for is "retarded"
>>316316749
>Raynor didn't shoot Kerrigan and go grab some beer with Tychus at the end of WoL.
Story ruined.
>>316316413
Retcons.
After Overmind died she didn't regain her original free will, instead she stayed "corrupted" by evil zerg genetics. In first SC2 episode she's purified by Rainor that is wildly in love with her now for some reason, in second one she goes back to being a zerg, but a good pure zerg this time (pure zergs are a noble savage culture btw, they good boys and dindu naffin), in third one she eats a god and kills Chtulhu. Also the plot introduces a PROPHECY about an ANCIENT EVIL AWAKENING (same guy that made zerg evil btw) and Kerrigan being the only being able to defeat it.
>>316291008
it's true
http://www.foregen.org/
>>316316779
It's about as much of an explanation as anything gets in this game.
Pretty sure they forgot almost everything and just made shit up on the spot.
>>316316926
Yeah, really. The dude turned his back on his bro4lyfe for some alien bitch that he didn't even have sex with once.
>>316316943
It sounds like they made her into Thrall.
>>316316676
Fug, I was sleepy and mistyped, I obviously meant Reign of Chaos. It was cool how you needed to desperately defend your allies from the onslaught of the undead and daemons coming from one side. Trying to keep up defences on 3 sides at the same time is just less fun and more annoying.Ulkair didn't even take that long to kill if you took the Avitus lascannon to the fight
I just finished Legacy of the Void.
The only time I have felt angrier about StarCraft was after reading Liberty's Crusade.
And I was very angry about that.
>>316296876
I feel the same, anon.
I usually just don't care, but SC2 made me rage like no other game before. I was butthurt when I played it at release. I'm still butthurt. My ass will forever be sore at what happened to SC.
>>316316749
It's been a long time, but were Jim and Kerrigan an item in StarCraft 1? I remember Kerrigan called out for Jim when she was in the Zerg chrysalis, but that's about all.
You speak of knowledge, Judicator? You speak of experience? I have journeyed through the darkness between the most distant stars. I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities... Unto my experience, Aldaris, all that you've built here on Aiur is but a fleeting dream. A dream from which your precious Conclave shall awaken, finding themselves drowned in a greater nightmare.
>>316317373
They flirted once if I remember right.
>>316317167
Thrall is tame compared to the amount of Mary Sue bullshit that is shoved into Kerrigan
>>316316479
>I'm actually sorry you have to deal with the bitching.
Hey no, don't be.
I'm not some SJW faggot, people are allowed to have different opinions to me, whether I like it or not.
>>316316749
To be fair, that was four years ago.
I mean, in the story.
I'm gonna catch some serious heat for this, but I'm gonna say it.
Raynor changing how he felt about Sarah was not a totally out-of-nowhere-makes-no-sense thing.
People seem to forget that there was a four year gap between BW's end and WOL's start. It wasn't a four day gap, it was a four year gap.
A lot can happen in four years, a lot can change.
Raynor was on the run for four years, fighting a losing war against the Dominion, his chances of success growing slimmer and slimmer everyday. Over that time things got really bad for Raynor. He turned back to the drink, sinking into alcoholism. Maybe he started thinking about his family, the wife and son he'd lost. Maybe he started thinking about how foolish he'd been to be tricked by Arcturus. Maybe he started thinking about Kerrigan before, on Antiga (where they were for six months IIRC). Maybe he started thinking how none of this would've happened if Kerrigan hadn't been turned, if Arcturus hadn't betrayed, if he'd just been able to do something. Maybe that hatred he felt about Fenix's death (no disrespect, but he only knew Fenix for about a month or two, they were hardly old friends) slowly simmered away into a mixture of profound regret, at how everything had gone so badly and how it all was. Maybe he just missed the way things were before, the way Kerrigan was before. Maybe he just longed to have that back, to wish for any way, any way at all, to make things right. Maybe those thoughts overcame what he said on Korhal, what he said in a brief fit of anger.
I honestly feel that it was a bit of a stretch to say he loved her, but anyone who honestly can't understand how his feelings could've changed probably needs more human interaction in their lives.
Why don't they exterminate the Zerg?
>Protoss united for first time in millenia
>Terrans free of infighting for the first time since early Confederacy
>both factions are now allied
>Zerg are at their weakest ever. Kerrigan states there is fuck all of them left
>led by Zagara. No Kerrigan or Overmind to save them this time
>>316299708
That'a what you get for pirating the game ;)
>>316316534
speaking of corruption
can we get a list of all the metzen 'plot forwarding' corrupted characters?
>>316317417
Not even. There was some mild sexual tension in some of the dialogue.
But between that and the way Raynor reacted to her "death" and subsequent rebirth, it was enough to solidify the impression that there was something going on between missions, off-screen.
It was actually a really effective method of character development. Show, don't tell, what the characters mean to each other.
>>316317553
You really think Raynor didn't get laid even once in those 4 years?
>>316317609
They good boys they dindu nuffin
>they aren't even led by a "good" primal zerg, Zagara is one of the old zerg "corrupted" by Sargeras
>my nigga Stukov isn't even mentioned, even though he'd probably be a better leader and the one that can actually work diplomacy with the humans
>>316317609
Because the Zerg are a species of peace!
>>316304896
>Valve has DOTA 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter Strike, and Half Life
Half life and TF2 are really the only onse they designed
>>316315405
I remember joking with friends about extremely retarded shit that Blizzard could do to the campaign. They were all in line with shit like that.
It's good to know that I'm at the level of a billion dollar company when it comes to this.
>>316317402
Zeratul is best hero.
>>316317782
Getting laid =/ developing an interest in someone, believe me.
>>316317701
the whole Protoss race (except for dark templars) for starters
>>316317824
Broodmothers were created by Kerrigan, not Sargeras
>>316317402
The end of that makes me think of the gorilla warfare copypasta.
>>316317609
because that's reserved for Starcraft 3: Death of the Zerg
Followed by.
Starcraft 3: Revival of the Zerg
>>316318028
But she was still corrupted when she created them.
>>316318002
Regardless, the only reason he would consider not finishing off Kerrigan is if he was so sex starved that his dick told him not to. Because his brain was sure as shit not telling him to spare her.
>>316318070
>Starcraft 3 being about evil racist terrans attacking good boy zergs for no reason
>>316318028
So we got Kerrigan
The protoss
Orcs
Garrosh
who else? I'm blanking pretty badly right now, Ive been playing nonstop MH4
>>316317373
They flirted a bit and you also get the vibe zerg Kerrigan holds back against Raynor. I think she even let's him leave in one mission. It's not outright said but she clearly loves him.
>>316296876
Personally I really like the idea that Raynor's love for Kerrigan was stronger than his desire for revenge. It talks about the very nature of humans, how love blinds their judgement but its also the reason why humankind is different than the protoss or zerg.
And dere kerrigan in HOTS is goat.
What if Amon was actually corrupted?
>>316318265
Also, Raynor was pretty deep in the bottle by the time we see him again in Wings of Liberty. He actually has his moment of clarity during the campaign.
>>316309061
>Robo zealots
>Carriers for the retarded repairs
>Purifier colossus
>Taldarim imba havoc for max range
>Supplement with dragoons and taldarim immortal
have the emergency shield so that units don't get killed allowing your carriers to heal them back to full, havocs for max range colossus as well as the extra damage on tougher hybrid
Nothing ever dies.
My children, the hour of our victory is at hand. For upon this world of Aiur shall we incorporate the strongest known species into our fold. Then shall we be the greatest of creation's children. We shall be... Perfect.
>>316318246
Demons in Diablo, obviously.
>>316304896
Blizzard lost all of it's talent years ago.
>>316317553
Mate, she didn't do some mistakes or dumb shit.
She fucking betrayed him and his friends, killed plenty of them, and simply used them all to her advantage while being completely conscious of what she was doing. It wasn't a "oh my I got drunk and fugged your best friend", or "I used you or your friends for my own gains but didn't majorly screwed you up". Her actions resulted in the deaths of millions and she did it all on purpose.
Nobody "gets over" that kind of shit. I could believe if the writing was believable instead of DBZ in space instead of "T-they love each other!". And I even read the god damn novels where they explore a bit of their relationship.
>>316318228
it's neither evil nor racist if they're not terran
>>316309061
>corsair
>dark templar
That is all you need to win.
>>316317609
Why don't they exterminate the Horde?
>Kirin Tor and the mages at your side
>King of Stormwind has finally returned
>The Scourge is no longer a threat
>Ogrimar is under siege
>The Horde is led by Garosh and not Green Jesus
>>316318425
Alright, how about just singular plot focused characters. Never played Diablo 3 so all I know are: the wander, blood raven, The worldstone?
But wasnt D2 before metzen took over writing? I'm pretty sure he was still an artist
>People sit around worrying about starcraft story
>>316314436
The gameplay was shit
>You found the enemy base, please bro don't go and destroy it
>Dude please, really, don't destroy the enemy bases, even though that's generally the whole fucking point please just leave the bases and go do the objectives, please dude
Some of the missions were retarded as well as the units they give you, the mission where you get phoenixes for example where phoenixes are entirely useless (yea phoenix vs terran and protoss, brilliant Blizz!)
Or those fucking retarded "hints"
>Dude bro, builds cannons to defend your base dude
>Oh oops, cannons literally don't do shit because the enemy attacks with tanks/colossus/carriers/battlecruisers/hybrid that disable turrets
>But dude bro wait, you have those stronger turrets (that actually deal fuck all for actual dps, cost far too much and take up too much space)
Fuck off, turrets and defensive structures are a complete waste of resources considering what the missions throw at you.
>>316318621
Because Blizzard cut Varian's balls off. I'm surprised the horde leadership didn't start laughing in this pussy's face.
>>316317824
>>316318028
>Sargeras
what
>>316318767
you know, the fallen one
>>316317417
The starcraft book kinda explains their backstory. They never really got "into" a deep relationship and yes there was a little subtle flirting but nothing like "holy shit lets fugggggg".
Other than that, they respected each other and because of the way kerrigan is now she mainly just fucks with raynor and raynor wants no part of it. He misses kerrigan from before the whole shit hitting fan moment but he "wasn't" happy with her now. Not sure of anything in SC2, just SC1 and Broodwar + the book.
Last I recall the book was canon unless they scrapped it so who knows.
I'm sure others here can give a better detailed explanation if you're looking for more..
I believe this book is the one. http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/StarCraft:_Liberty's_Crusade
I hold nothing as 100% as this was ages ago when I read this so don't take anything I say correctly. I just remember small tidbits.
>>316318579
Raynor could've rationalised that away to himself with a simple "Oh, that wasn't really Kerrigan, the Kerrigan I know, that was Infested Possesed Kerrigan".
Remember, the issue isn't "What I would do knowing the whole situation of Starcraft", it's What Raynor would do knowing only what he does.
>>316318767
A God from Warcraft lore that was corrupted until they reconnected it so he became the one corrupting people, until they reconnected that again and he was again corrupted
>>316318904
I hated that book so much. It read like something off of fanfiction.net, with the original character (do not steal!) who everyone loves and is at the center of all the big events from the game.
>>316316413
Love changes people, it's a powerful thing.
>>316319028
>>316318854
but isn't he from warcraft universe?they're the same universe arent they
Fellow Terrans, I come to you in the wake of recent events to issue a call to reason. Let no human deny the perils of our time. While we battle one another, divided by the petty strife of our common history, the tide of a greater conflict is turning against us, threatening to destroy all that we have accomplished. It is time for us as nations and as individuals to set aside our long-standing feuds and unite! The tides of an unwinnable war are upon us, and we must seek refuge upon higher ground, lest we be swept away by the flood.
The Confederacy is no more. Whatever semblance of unity and protection it once provided is a phantom; a memory. With our enemies left unchecked, who will you turn to for protection? The devastation brought by the alien invaders is self-evident. We have seen our homes and communities destroyed by the calculated blows of the Protoss. We have seen first-hand our friends and loved ones consumed by the nightmarish Zerg. Unprecedented and unimaginable though they may be, these are the signs of our time.
The time has come, my fellow Terrans, to rally to a new banner. In unity lies strength; already many of the dissident factions have joined us. Out of the many, we shall forge an indivisible whole, capitulating only to a single throne. And from that throne, I shall watch over you!
From this day forward, let no human make war upon any other human. Let no Terran agency conspire against this new beginning. And let no man consort with alien powers. And to all the enemies of humanity, seek not to bar our way, for we shall win through, no matter the cost!
>>316319146
No, but they may as well be.
All Blizzard storylines summarized in three words: "There are Demons!"
>>316319223
I MADE YOU A MONSTER
>>316319093
I read it when I was 12-13 but I enjoyed it then. Dunno about now so I may agree with you if I were to read it again. I completely forgot about "liberty" being the main guy in the book as well.
Now looking into it, apparently he's in SC2 as well. Huh...alrighty then.
I wish Valve would get all the licensing to Blizzard games, or maybe Obsidian or somebody so we could get actual proper games.
>>316316943
Don't forget this was all foretold in ancient prophecy, murals of Kerrigan included.
>>316318743
Pandaria was such a fucking retarded expansion
what and how do protoss eat?
Honest question.
never was into lore of SC..
>>316317402
I really wish his VA didn't die before SC2 came out and Blizzard had time to record his lines
>>316319146
They've got the same backstory essentially
>a member of ancient group of gods that make worlds and species and shit
>becomes evil and wants to destroy everything because reasons
>uses corrupted species to achieve his goals
I'm honestly slightly surprised we only got one proper void demon in LotV. It felt lazy how he was just shitting out ghost versions of normal units.
>>316319345
He gets mentioned once in passing, I think. He might've appeared on one of the news reports.
>>316319347
Seems like that was Obsidian's job. Come in when shit gets retarded and save the franchise.
Too bad they have their own funding now since that means they'll never pick up someone else's franchise ever again.
>>316319408
Photosynthesis.
Post yfw you played as Artanis in the original game's protoss campaign
>>316308187
>worlds of starcraft
I would pay good money to have old blizzard make this similar to that new warhammer mmo coming out. Would be great to have a starcraft mmo, not an rpg. just an mmo where players battle it out for control of planets etc.
>>316319223
I loved the writing in the SC and BW. It was kinda cheesy, but good.
So basically Raynor, who hated Kerrigan, decided to save her instead of making good on his vow to murder her, and went to incredible efforts to purify her. Then Kerrigan went back to being corrupted again for reasons despite all of Raynor's efforts to purify her, flies to this super special planet full of noble gene devouring monsters who dindu nuffin 'till the ebil oberlard corrupted them. These primal zerg somehow look exactly the same as regular zerg except with more pointy bits, even though regular zerg are made from species extracted from other planets and the primal zerg are explicitly said to have remain isolated on their own planet. Then in Legacy of the Void, Kerrigan becomes God to fight space Cthulhu, then uncorrupts herself again and Raynor tries to get some of that alien pussy.
>>316316943
This sounds like a huge gigantic clusterfuck just to make a cliche "LOOK EVERYONE IS HOLDING HANDS!" ending.
I'm waiting for the starcraft 2 battlechest for 30 bucks so I can just snatch all 3 at once.
>>316319703
Yep, this should be the back-of-the-box summary of SC2.
>>316318153
Dude, love is more powerful than sex.
It's the single most important thing that fuels humans.
>>316319718
It's a huge clusterfuck made for the sake of "redeeming" Kerrigan. The question is why they fuck Blizzard felt that she needed redemption in the first place. She was a beloved character because she was a cunning backstabbing bitch.
>>316319534
And now, ironically, they made a setting/game that is so god damn awful it needs saving, or would that be salvaging considering how much of a disaster PoE was...
>>316319703
You could copy paste this shit into a SC2 manual and it would fit perfectly.
>>316318153
b-but muh zeratul prophecy
ZERG! The very mention of this terrifying race once brought fear to all who heard it. But now we can all rest easy as our own forces now occupy their very home world of Char.
Months have passed since our initial confrontation with the Zerg and now Directorate forces have taken control of the planet Char, long since rumored to cradle the malevolent Overmind of the Zerg. The Overmind itself -- an enormous, living brain-like entity -- dictates control of all the myriad Zerg forces, and it was believed to be planning an invasion of the Earth itself. Once on the offensive, our highly-trained Directorate forces were more than a match for the beast-like Zerg. Even their fiercest warrior breed could not defeat the greatest military technology in the galaxy. The Zerg forces on Char were completely decimated, and their losses were tallied in the millions.
But all wars have casualties, and, while Directorate losses were minimal, the fleet's Vice Admiral Stukov gave his life during the final valiant assault on Char. Memorial services were held aboard the Directorate flagship Aleksander. Vice Admiral Stukov truly knew the meaning of sacrifice.
Yet, his sacrifice was not in vain; the Overmind itself was the prize of the battle. Even now, Directorate psychics and powerful drugs are keeping the creature pacified. The Overmind will undergo extensive research to ensure the continued safety of the United Earth Directorate and of all Mankind!
>>316319906
>The question is why they fuck Blizzard felt that she needed redemption in the first place
Waifu bait, same reason they are now trying to absolve Sylvanas of her crimes
>>316316943
>After Overmind died she didn't regain her original free will, instead she stayed "corrupted" by evil zerg genetics
what do you mean by this? the overmind dieing should not have any effect on kerrigan, she was made to be independent.
>>316319906
>She was a beloved character because she was a cunning backstabbing bitch.
This. I fucking loved the Queen of Blades.
>>316319347
>Valve
>making games
>>316319703
Did they ever bother to explain why Mengsks zerg-killing Dalaran magic bubble thing hurt Kerrigan after she became feral zerg and feral zerg were supposed to be unaffected?
>>316320108
yeah the xel'naga keystone is the most powerful plot device in the universe
it can do ANYTHING
>>316320108
The magic bubble fries zerg by overloading their psionics, Kerrigan still has those. The Primal Zerg don't.
>>316320228
Yea that shit got retarded quick, I mean now it's the magical plot device that'll somehow purify the protoss as well? Eh... great?
>>316312358
What page? I just looked up Artanis' bio and it doesn't say anything about severed cords.
>>316320108
It was an orphaned plot device from an earlier draft of the story. Originally, Mengsk had a Kerrigan clone that was somehow psioncally linked to Kerrigan, herself. Zapping the clone zapped Kerrigan. She appears in the leaked ending for Heart of the Swarm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkX4Yt4ek8
Dearest Helena,
By now, the news of our defeat has reached the Earth. The creatures we were sent here to tame are untameable, and the colonies we were sent to reclaim have proven to be stronger than we anticipated.
Whatever you may hear about what has happened out here, know this: Alexei did not die gloriously in battle. I killed him ― My pride killed him. And now my pride has consumed me as well.
You will never see me again, Helena.
Tell our children that I love them, and that their father died in defense of their future.
Au Revoir.
>>316319996
Alexei should have stayed dead.
And SC2 fucking ruined the voices of everything.
>>316320281
Isn't it supposed to work specifically with Void energies? They mention it in LotV - that it initially purified Kerrigan by sucking out all the void corruption out of her and then using it do fuel Sargeras somehow.
>>316320314
The Keystone basically emprisoned Amon's presence in the Khala for a bit(or until it broke through) but Protoss has to severe their nerves or they'd immediately get controlled as soon as Amon is out.
>>316320508
> void corruption
This is actually a thing in StarCraft now?
>>316320459
It was retarded either way
>Big problem is a big problem
>Have a magical plot device that can completely take her out
>Let's wait to use it until after she's destroyed literally my entire empire (again)
Come to think of it, I can remember a ton of memorable lines from people like DuGalle, Raynor, Arcturus, Zeratul, Duran, Kerrigan, and Tassadar from Starcraft 1.
When I think of quotes from SC2, all that comes to mind is TIDINGS OF DOOM.
>>316320610
Sure. "Void" is essentially warp from 40k now. They open portal to it in the epilogue in LotV to go there and fight Cthulhu because he's imprisoned there and will eventually come back. It has it's own daemons and shit too.
>>316320508
It also made zerg completely explode (WoL), and is used to isolate Amon from the Khala (LotV), and is used to taze Kerrigan at the press of a button.(HotS)
>>316320525
Because apparently, it can do that too!
>>316320714
I remember the scene where Kerrigans complain that her hair got too zerg while she's hanging out with Raynor.
It was cute.
>>316320480
Campaign power rankings
1. Terran BW
2. Protoss SC1
3. Terran SC1
4. Protoss BW
5. Zerg SC1
6. Zerg BW
>>316320459
Holy SHIT. I can't believe there was actually some kind of oversight in this plot design... we may never know the depths of retardation from which the current shitty writing was rescued from.
>>316320049
Dota 2, CS:GO, Left 4 Dead, Portal 2, TF2, what are those?
>>316320816
I'd say Blizzard is creatively bankrupt, but I don't think anyone needs to point it at out now.
>>316320829
and also shows the way to the xel'naga world because why not
>>316319669
>warhmmer mmo
The what. Eternal Crusade is fucking dead and buried. The Dark Millenium died with THQ. The only Warhammer MMO existing is return of reckoning fan project.
>>316320865
I'm okay with this.
>>316320816
Blizzard has basically reached peak 40k at this point. I've been defending StarCraft as its own work able to stand on its own merits for seventeen years, already. I'm fucking done.
>>316320000
Quads have spoken.
Sylvanas will be a goody two shoes in the next arc.
>>316320829
Well, the Khala thing can be explained with the Keystone sucking out Amon's void corruption out of the protoss on Aiur, allowing them to sever the nerve chords. I don't know how to explain the Kerrigan stun though.
>Prepare yourself, Cerebrate. Your first jump through warp space could be... unsettling.
>>316320872
Still better then the rape the Warcraft lore is going through
>>316320948
Polished mods, anon, not even joking.
>>316320973
And lets not forget it's also supposed to be used to awaken the Xel'naga
Do they mention the Cerebrates in passing even once in SC2?
>>316321124
Yes. Kerrigan killed them all;_;
>>316309061
Stalkers and those Tal'darim immortals, and dump minerals into Dark Templar zealots (centurions I think they're called?"
The one solitary thing I liked about the campaign is that the Tal'darim got transformed from mindless cultists into the Old Republic Sith. Naturally I switched all of my units to the Tal'darim counterparts after that.
>>316301385
he was coldsteel the edgehog and it was awesome
>>316321124
Yeah, that Kerrigan killed them all and replaced them with brood queens.
>>316321076
Not as unsettling as looking at your face Daggoth
What the fuck have we let this become
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4GbGmvNRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZndkKew65Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9MqInsKyf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHjuJaqk_DU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTLv8Uzczno
>>316321258
His voice acting made him 1000x better.
>>316318265
>>316318358
>>316296876
guys what if raynor got mind fucked by kerrigan
i mean does he even have any psi resistance or something, kerrigan very easily could've just forced jimmy to love her and forget his anger towards herthis is just my theory and i know the writing is retarded
>>316321298
Get it right, young cerebrate, I am Zasz
>>316321108
The last Warcraft game I played was 3. I have a hard time believing that it's shittier than what happened to SC.
Then again, this is Blizzard.
>>316321124
Apparently they were removed to make Starcraft less like 40k
No, I don't think anyone knows how that makes sense
>>316321108
I'd want to disagree, but I don't think even LotV's complete retardation can top "Garrosh travels back in time to an alternate timeline and unites the horde without drinking the demon blood, then he makes a portal back so he can invade modern Azeroth while he doesn't even control his own shit yet" I mean, how could anything be worse than that shit?
So glad I stopped that abomination very early in Cataclysm, which was already after it had gone full retard with "durrr mast alwuys be a Luch Keng" and "He was doing it all to make the worlds strongest fighting force, he couldn't do this after killing and mind-controlling you for... reasons..."
>>316321298
That's Zasz you fool.
>>316321119
And yet, those polished mods are 100x better than the shit Blizzard has pushed out.
>>316309061
mass void rays buttfuck everything, especially the edgy red ones
>>316321417
>I have a hard time believing that it's shittier than what happened to SC.
Warcraft now has time-travel and a multi-verse
Wonder if those Nova DLC missions will be based on what was going to be in Ghost.
>>316321557
Jesus fucking Christ. I'd call you a lying faggot if I didn't know any better by this point.
>>31632150
Not about to argue with that, but that's hardly Valve making games, which was the point. Portal 2 is the last game they made.
>>316321206
I liked Taldarim immortals, but that ability on Nerazim immortals was way too stronk to pass on. It could be used on air units too.
Nerazim zealots were cool too, I used them before I got the robo ones and switched just because two-use cannon fodder is better than one. Robo zealots are healed by that repairing passive too.
>>316289794
Honestly, without the epilogue LotV was only half/three quarters retard. That epilogue though, holy shit.Super twist is that all of SC2 is a dream Jim is having at the Mar Sara bar while drunk.
>>316302326
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
>>316318621
Because the Aliiance on it's own cannot stand against the true big baddies, the Burning Legion.
Besides, as mch as people would like to aruge, at that moment it would have been fucking retarded to try to behead the Horde.
Thrall alone can hold against Jaina and in the same room you got the other 5 leaders of the Horde.
Nigga's not dumb
>>316321691
Better, Jim got high on mineral harvesting while dragoon Fenix is still around trying to make jokes with a group of marines.
>>316321316
he's the only protoss who doesn't speak in all caps
>>316321691
>Super twist is that all of SC2 is a dream Jim is having at the Mar Sara bar while drunk.
After that, we get the REAL sequel to BW.
I would cry tears of joy.
I don't know why everyone bitches about Raynor not blowing Kerrigan's head off at the first opportunity. Zeratul showed up on his ship and said "don't kill her, or really bad shit happens".
>>316321720
Jaina could have wiped Ogrimmar off the map then and there, she was persuaded not to by Kalcegos
This is canon
>>316321942
Pretty much this. The only way Raynor's about face regarding Kerrigan makes sense is if you play through all of Zeratul's visions in Wings of Liberty AND all of the corresponding conversations with Tosh while he tries to process his feelings about them.
After that, saving Kerrigan makes sense.
>>316321837
Nah man, there's also Kerax the MVP. Literally every other protoss is like:
>FOR HONOR AND GLORY I SHALL CLENSE THIS PLANE FROM THE VILE BLIGHT OF THE SWARM
And Kerax is like:
>Hey check it out I made these cool robot arms, upgraded your robots, made the core increase its capacity and installed gentoo on the mainframe! Good luck out there!
So, we hope you have enjoyed the remastered version of Mass Effect 3 and hope that this unique RTS gameplay has inspired you to take a look back on all we've done in the past!
En Taro Shepard, friends.
>>316317934
They did all of the designs for Dota 2 and CS GO though family.
>>316317934
He's talking about artstyle you dumbass.
fuck off I don't care if this reply is late
>>316321942
People bitch at Blizzard for writing the game this way. Introducing an ancient prophecy and retarded Sargeras clone to the story just for the sake of redeeming Kerrigan and making her the main hero instead of the main villain.
>>316322118
Also, he has a beard.
>>316321957
So she didn't just have a lady boner for Thrall?
>>316322118
>Kerax the MVP
I lost all respect I had for the guy when I saw his motherfucking walking animation.
>>316321942
Everyone bitches about ~prophecies~ too you know. Just because something is justified in game doesn't make it good, especially when that justification is contrived and lame itself.
And at the very least he could have acted like he was choosing the lesser of two evils (again) and not like he was saving his long lost love.
>>316322163
Except Sargeras isn't even the worst big bad right? There's still the bunch of Old Gods.
>>316322131
T-Thanks Blizzard
>>316322198
Thrall is old and busted, she now craves dragon dick and hates the horde
>>316322141
AK-47 is my favourite original Valve design from CS GO.
>>316322284
we've killed two old gods though
>>316322234
You want to talk about bad walk animations? Robo!Fenix has this gorilla gait going on that makes it look like his forelegs are doing a Keep On Truckin.'
>>316322346
>Maps and characters don't need to be designed
ok family
Executor. Tassadar. This comes too late to you. But the Conclave has witnessed your defeat of the Cerebrate. They know now that they cannot deny the necessity or the valiancy of your actions. We sought to punish you, while it was we who were in error. You represent what is greatest in us all, and all our hopes go with you. EN TARO ADUN, brave Sons of Aiur!
>>316322284
I know jack shit about post WC3 lore (I never really got into WoW because MMORPGs are retarded), but aren't old gods supposed to be just Azeroth thing, while Sargeras is a danger to every world in creation?
>>316322327
Can't blame her, Kalec's hot as fuck and comes with dragon dildo included
>>316317373
Yeah man, didn't you ever play that custom map for SC1 where they fuck in the siege tank?
>>316322507
Great, does that mean they'll be sending us backup?
>>316322576
Duke was there too, you know.
>>316322538
Supposedly, the Old Gods are as strong as titans.
Although Sargeras is proably the strongest out of all the titans he still holds some caution towards the Old Ones given how if they stopped trying to fuck one another theyc ould be able to wipe everything in their wake
>>316322576
>there were literally entire SC maps that were pictures of naked women in the minimap
>I downloaded them all
>>316322389
We put the to sleep or some shit
Mark my words the real big-bads are going to be the Void Gods
>>316322131
Still not as stupid as the ending to FO4. Amazingly enough.
POST UNIT QUOTES RUINED BY SCII
>Carrier has arrived
>>316322163
They had to figure something out. Kerrigan had won. She was in a position to face fuck fucking everyone. Supposing they let her remain the primary threat, they had to remove her at some point to make things interesting, so you either get depowered Kerrigan somehow, or rogue Zerg who depose her somehow so they can have a Zerg campaign in SC2.
>>316322697
>>316322779
>you'll never be 11 again, downloading shitty custom maps for SC until 4 in the morning on the weekend
>>316322837
Prostagma.
>>316322837
>POWER OVERWHELMING
That line during the cinematic was so weak
>>316322538
It's mentioned somewhere that Sargeras is stronger than them individually, but not against a group of 2-3
>>316321312
This brings back such good old memories.
\
>>316322861
The UED comes back.
Yeah I know it would need another story in between because otherwise it would be the same thing twice in a row, but it would still be better than what we got.
>>316322909
>playing BGH with a bro over modem, where your computer actually dials his phone number
>>316322837
Unit sounds as well
>Dat zing-zing-zing as interceptors were launched into battle
>Those zerg sounds
>Dat stimpack
>>316309061
>Sentinels (robo-lots)
>Stalkers (blink too good to give up man)
>Sentries (shield medics)
>Tal'darim Immortals
>Collosi
>phase phoenix
>edgy lightning voidrays
>based carriers
anyone not abusing pylon warps in from the SoA and the warp tech upgrades for the stargates/robotics facilities are scum
>>316318717
>Fuck off, turrets and defensive structures are a complete waste of resources considering what the missions throw at you.
>build a bunch of canon, mana batteries and obelisk of light
>suddenly, most shit can't approach your base
>>316322837
Ghost SC1
>Calm
>Obedient
>Sounds cool as fuck
>I'm gone!
>You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind
Ghost SC2
>Edgemaster mode Troy Baker
>Drug abuser
>Angsty as fuck
>>316321403
>>316321453
I feel like I'm in good company here. It's difficult to find that feeling anymore.
>>316318717
>not creating cannon walls with shield batteries supporting the length of it, with the fuck huge cannons picking off enemy siege units
>>316322861
We knew the hybrid were coming, we could have entered the scene from Raynors perspective as in WoL but instead learn that the Zerg haven't done anything because they're getting their assess kicked by the Hybrid.
Terran Campaign is Raynor overthrowing Mengsk as he becomes increasingly obsessed with vengeance on Kerrigan, ends with him winning and learning the Zerg are on the verge of defeat.
Zerg Campaign is zergs desperately fighting off the hybrid, Kerrigan gets killed by Raynor at the end who was convinced to join the hybrid for the sake of his revenge
Protoss campaign is the hybrid now charging into Protoss and Terran worlds, uniting protoss tribes and the few remaining zerg broods strike a bargain for their survival and they all stand together against the hybrid threat in a great finale, Duran and his mastermind never fully reveal themselves, the end.
>>316323285
I liked how Daggoth acted as big brother and offered his unique strains to you a lot. Zerg campaign was all family fun until Kerrigan showed up
>>316323127
>Playing on normal
Anon...
>>316323507
>Daggoth will never teach you how to play Zerg again
To create new warrior strains, you must generate the various hive structures.
The Drones themselves mutate into these structures. Yet be careful: Never use your last Drone to make a building.
Daggoth: (when enough minerals are gathered) Now, order your Drone to become a Spawning Pool.
You'll notice that structures can only implant themselves upon the creep.
You can make Creep Colonies to extend the creep, but only a Hatchery can be built upon open ground.
Hear me Night Elves! The time for reckoning has come!
>>316323541
I did all that on Brutal. If you think Photon Canons are bad when you have an overabundance of minerals, I don't know what to say.
>>316323635
Overmind: I am well pleased you Cerebrate, and so long as my prize remains intact, I shall remain pleased. Thus, it's life and yours shall be made as one. As it prospers, so shall you. For you are part of the Swarm. If ever your flesh should fail, that flesh chall be made anew. That is my covenant with all Cerebrates.
>>316323457
>kill the main faction character in their own campaign
We'd be having this same conversation except everyone would be bitching about how Kerrigan was killed by plot in her own story.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGHHHHHHHH
*dun dun dun*
>>316323758
>Having an overabundance of minerals
Anon... You're pretty fucking awful at the game if you're using that many cannons instead of making units to destroy the enemy bases, most missions are timed and cannons do literally nothing to help with that
Also, you said: "Bunch of obelisks of light" which are definitely not minerals only and are retardedly expensive for what they do, so you've already confirmed that you're completely full of shit. Why the fuck are you still talking?
>"Alright troops, listen up! Each squad will have a medic assigned to it to patch up the wounded. But that doesn't mean you can get careless! Stay frosty and get the job done!"
>>316296876
>Mike Morhaime in charge of writing
You're thinking of Chris Metzen, retard. It's you're gonna talk shit at least be sure who you're talking shit about.
>>316322837
>>316322987
>>316323206
God stop reminding me.
I haven't played SC2 at all. I couldn't support Blizzard anymore after Warcraft 3 and I just didn't fee like playing WoW. I don't know where you guys are with this.
I've kept up to date with what they've done with Diablo and WoW and now Starcraft and it's all bad. And it's like I feel like I'm at fault. There are people I know who are still utterly devoted to Blizzard who I grew up loving the company with. And I just never expressed to them how fucking bad everything got. They were happy to grind in WoW and play the dogshit that was Diablo 3 and how the plot to Starcraft went to shit not to mention the custom games community.
Were we not loud enough? Should we have complained louder to Blizzard? It's too late to fix anything - nobody's going to revise the plot in that company or reverse the clock. Even if they moved ahead with their claim to go back in time in the Warcraft I wouldn't trust them with doing it right because they obviously didn't care about doing it right the first time with WoW, D3, and SC2.
I don't know why I feel so shitty. I really should be feeling more shitty about politics, which is a primary focus of my life but the Starcraft shit really fucking hurts because it was good. It's like Blizzard never knew it was good.
It was just the simple pronunciation and enunciation of "Carrier has arrived" and they fucked it up. They fucked it all up. Who the fuck did they use for focus testing? Was it any of you because it sure as hell wasn't me.
>>316324083
What the fuck is happening in there
Stukov: Heh heh. You're beginning show your age, Gerard. Give the boy some credit. He just tipped us off to a preeminent attack.
DuGalle: However useful he may prove to be, Alexei, he will always be a traitor in my eyes. And you know that I cannot abide a traitor.
Stukov: Only too well, Gerard. Captain, when you are ready, you may commence with the operation. Once you have commandeered the enemy's battlecruisers, be prepared to repel the Dominion reinforcements when they arrive.
UED was pretty fun too.
>>316324186
They made the Battlecrusier into a drunkard, what the fuck were they thinking
>>316324240
Military academies isn't fun.
>>316323967
I fail to see the problem, Kerrigan getting killed was the only real way to unite the races (neither Protoss nor Terran would ever trust her even for the greater good after the last time they did exactly that) so unless you'd want to repeat BW's plot it'd be best to just kill her off, have Raynor have his victory and drama moment, it's not like what they did with Zeratul where they rape his character from the wise, grizzled warrior he was in SC/BW into an evangelizing sod who gets killed off in the second mission of the Protoss campaign.
The entire campaign would be working toward her end, showing basically how they give the hybrid one hell of a fight, but Raynor showing up shatters the balance.
>>316324087
>most missions are timed
In what world do you live that most missions are timed?
Brutal doesn't have that. If you rush through, you're screwing yourself up.
A few missions are indeed timed, but even these you have time to actually setup some defense.
So, what missions are timed again?
>following blizzard lore after the early 2000s
>>316324240
Developing a strong pain threshold, of course.
Damn you're ugly.
>>316324608
>Quit WoW early Cata
>Still keep up with the lore despite how shockingly dogshit it has become
>Preordered the Warcraft Chronicles lore book
Help me.
>>316324578
>Limited minerals
>Several missions that will literally end if the laser beam gets to the temple, the zerg get destroyed by the psi-wave thingy etc etc.
Nice trying to nitpick the point though anon, you're still full of shit trying to backpedal from saying a full setup of defenses including "a bunch of obelisks of light" into "yea bro just your spare minerals dude"
Fuck off, those spare minerals should be zealots charging the front lines or gateways building zealots to charge the front lines, and it's really fucking obvious you didn't do fuck all on brutal.
Here's a hint anon: cannons don't get any upgrades but shields, and are shit against fully upgraded units, only really working early on, and in Brutal enemies get upgrades, fast.
>>316318265
It's not even that. He just said that to Evil Kerrigan when he was mad. But after Kerrigan was uninfested she didn't act like she did before. She's a different person. Raynor did kill the genocidal queen of blades, that's why he was so fucking mad when she reverted cause he thought she was the same again.
It's like when Obi wan said Vader killed Anakin, except LESS retarded because infested Terrans are actually under some actual control and lose free will.
>>316324872
>Here's a hint anon: cannons don't get any upgrades but shields, and are shit against fully upgraded units, only really working early on, and in Brutal enemies get upgrades, fast.
Canons don't need upgrade. They have mana batteries, that's all they fucking need.
You don't even need to spend the minerals on Zealots because they are FUCKING FREE but are generally useless once you get Dark Templars.
The Obelisk of Light is basically the answer to siege units since they actually outrange them.
>>316325067
>Infested Terrans are actually under some actual control
Yes, by the Overmind/Cerebrates/Kerrigan
See the problem yet?
>>316304562
Anyone get a screen of her buttcheeks the first time she gets possessed?
I wonder if Phoenix Kerrigan is going to be a skin in HotS. More importantly, is Swann going to be a hero? Because he's the best new Terran character.
Crack when? I don't want to give blizzard any money.
>>316325179
>They have mana batteries, that's all they need
Anon, please, you're so full of shit it's overflowing and you cannot seem to stop. All the shield batteries do is extend their life, matters fuck off if zerglings take three shots each to kill instead of two, and the shield batteries run out of energy extremely quickly and replenish very slowly, you're now adding cannons and shield batteries to a defensive line that doesn't fucking need them when you're instead destroying the enemy base with an army of zealots, good god you're awful at this shit it's actually unbelievable.
>The obelisk of light is basically the answer to siege units
They do fuck all against hybrids, they do fuck all against immortals, they do fuck all against most things that would threaten a line of cannons because on Brutal they don't come in small enough numbers for a small number of obelisks to manage.
>Zealots are fucking FREE
Except they're not
Seriously though, stop playing on normal you utter shite, and stop wasting everyones time pretending your retarded shitter strategems make any kind of sense because good god you're actually giving me an aneurysm with your absolute stupidity.
How often do I need to call you out on your bullshit before you realize it's pointless to spout more?
>>316325392
No, you already have Sgt. Who? and Lieutenant "not Stettman" Morales.
>>316325636
Apparently Sgt. Hammer was supposed to be Duke but changed once Blizzard Dota became it's own standalone game. I don't really know why.
>>316320865
I can't argue with that.
Powergap
7. Protoss SC2
8. Terran SC2
9. Zerg SC2
lgtss
>Zerg
>>316325732
invading korhal was a cool concept though
>>316325724
I can give you a hint, it starts with: diver
Same reason the medic is another literally who and not an established medic character (Stettman) because SC was kind of a sausage fest when it comes to memorable characters (which is now supposed to be a bad thing, fml)
>>316325956
It's retarded, but it makes sense I guess. I hope they release some kind of skin like gender swaps for the D3 heroes and maybe duke for hammer or something.
>>316325543
Obviously defenses aren't so good against hybrids since they are designed to make sure that you actually fight them head-on.
Zealots are indeed free (of materials), they cost energy. Most missions don't need Chrono Surge, and being able to summon 2 free zealots and 2 free ranged is always useful not to mention the free pylon, that's 550 minerals and 100 gas for 50 (or was it 75?) energy.
You'll still end up with far more minerals than you need since most units you'll make are gas heavy which in turn allows you to just bring up some defense, mana batteries and more.
>>316325870
Yeah it was the best part of that campaign
>>316326101
I just wish they were a bit more subtle about their pandering.
I recently went to listen to the unit quotes for old times sake, and while the male characters are largely in-character and sensible every singe female character (not even exaggerating) has some kind of grrrrl power line that makes no sense for the character, the situation and just comes across as extremely awkward and forced. Sgt. Hammer for example literally says something along the lines of: "Let me guess, you thought I would be a mannnnn"
I mean yes Ms. Hammer I would expect that since the universe and time you're from didn't use female combatants outside of logistics/support roles and siege tank pilots were typically male as were all the other combatants, the UED changes that a bit with the Valkyries though.
The ending wasn't perfect, but I was satisfied. My annoyance comes from the fact that Blizzard could have very easily made it perfect and just didn't.
>Tassadar was Ouros all along was forced as fuck and stupid. Ouros was fine but he should have been his own character.
>Zeratul should have gotten a force ghost and Twilight Archoned with Tassadar in the last mission
>Dehaka, the other Toss leaders, Valerian, and Raynor's Raiders didn't show up in the epilogue and only Valerian and Alarak got concrete endings.
>Kerrigan should have just sacrificed herself or something. The whole god mode thing was stupid as shit
Now for the good:
>Stukov got his revenge and it was handled perfectly
>Zagara rightfully took the swarm
>Valerian and Horner mirror Arcturus and Duke giving us perfect book ends with Loomings.
>Raynor got the most perfect ending we could have hoped for (without Blizz taking a dump on him)
>Later space cowboy
>>316324267
Amon lives!
Tidings of doom!
I will end your suffering!
I fight for ....freedom!
>>316326462
>He's still talking his usual shit
Yea you "can" warp in zealots for free, but you're not going to manage any missions with just the free zealots for most of the campaign, but you wouldn't know that since you played on normal, and this is only ever becoming more obvious the more you keep talking.
>>316325870
Your goal is to defeat a God. You need all the help you can get because why not.
Why murder billions of humans and destroy god knows how much military infrastructure that could be integrated into your strike force against the evil god. Kerrigan and Raynor destroyed probably hundreds of Battlecruisers including the Gorgons.
Even if the Dominion didn't want to join you on your bullshit crusade it's still way fucking better to have them around. Just have Zeratul ninja his way into Mengsk's throne room and shank his face. Done. His son or someone will probably join your cause when you show them that Satan is in the stars and wants to fuck your shit.
Blizzard is all about fucking breaking alliances. It's so cool to not cooperate. Fuck making friends. Just like real life how Russia and the United States just can't fucking have coffee without spitting in each others' cups.
>>316326587
A lot of the hero quotes are stabs at fans or their own franchises. Falstad makes a remark about redshirt guy to Thrall, who is voiced by Chris Metzen. The Starcraft characters all shit on the story in SC2.
It's pandering, but it's the tamest form of pandering. But I think additions like Lunara, Brightwing, and Murky are stupider than Hammer and Morales.
>>316326867
Honestly it's not the quotes taking jabs at the fans, it's them blatantly lampshading the most obviously retarded bullshit that the writing department keeps shitting out
>Murradin Bronzebeard lampshades the fact that you shouldn't feel too bad about a favorite character dying, they'll probably come back in an expansion
>Kerrigan lampshades her retarded back and forth between human and zerg
For every bad thing in the ending I'd like to point out that they severely ramped up their music game this time around. Some of those last few themes were fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFI-eH1KGUs
>>316327072
You know that the teams who work on these games are different right? The HotS team consists mostly of old Blizzard fans.
>>316326719
Well, just keep talking. Next thing you'll tell me Corsair and Dark Templars are useless for Salvation on Brutal.
>>316327159
Yes, thanks, I'm well aware.
Not sure what prompted this remark even, did you think I literally meant they had one single writing department? I just used it as an umbrella term for all the people responsible for the writing in Blizzard games (which includes HotS)
>>316327219
>I'll now say something sensible to try and cover for all the retarded bullshit I've been spouting
Nice try anon, nice try.
>>316314734
>Then she turns back into human and walks away together with Rainor into the sunset. Everyone lives happily ever after.
Well almost everyone except the billions upon billions of Humans she murdered.
>>316327274
That's Metzens fault. He pulls all this stupid crap out of his ass but has legacy status at Blizzard so nobody really speaks out against it, like Kojima.
They'll lampshade all that crap, but at the end of the day there's nothing they can really do about it.
>>316327159
>The HotS team consists mostly of old Blizzard fans.
You don't necessarily want fans making anything. The potential pitfalls is that they just do stupid nostalgic stuff and make references. They might not try anything new because they're afraid. Or they may keep something old and fuck it up.
You want people who know what the fuck they're doing. You want people who don't blindly love everything like a fan but know what was good so they can retain the good but discard the bad.
You don't ask an HIV and Cancer charity who deserves your money more, they are certainly biased. You ask a person who sees the group that would use the money the best. You don't necessarily ask someone who fought in a war or a victim of war if the war was just, you probably have to wait years and ask a historian.
Being a fan does not mean a good judge of quality but this does not negate the value of a fan's judgement and input. Clearly, if Blizzard consulted the fans they picked the wrong fucking information.
>>316327613
Well they aren't writing stories. They are just making dialogue.
>>316327382
She was corrupted, she dindu naffing, she was a good girl.I don't even dislike the corruption part, but the fact that she was just entirely absolved because of it, making it as though her mind was completely not her own and magically gets returned to completely her own again was just absurd, corruption should have just been an influence, like a strong emotional reaction such as hatred or anger or some shit, but not this.
>>316319223
>>316319684
I really liked how most of the characters and units were just hillbillies hunting spooky aliens
It was great
>>316327376
I can only imagine why you'd pull out:
>you're not going to manage any missions with just the free zealots for most of the campaign
When all I said was that it's always useful to acquire some fodder for free.
>>316326593
You're almost on the money. Except Dehaka and the Raiders don't matter.
I was more disappointed that Artanis didn't get to do anything cool in the epilogue
>>316327921
>When all I said was
>Hurrrr durrrr reading and remembering what I said a few minutes ago is hard durrrrrrr
>>316326462
>>316325179
Well back to being completely retarded I see, do keep dancing, clown.
>>316328081
I kinda expected Artanis to challenge the Asdrubael Vect to a duel for the sake of keeping the protoss united.
>>316321450
Why do they even give a single fuck about GW since becoming a million times larger?
>>316326593
>Tassadar was Ouros all along
But that's wrong
Tassadar was Tassadar and ghost Tassadar was just Ouros using the overmind to contact Zeratul and used Tassadar's form so he'd listen to him.
>>316306594
Do you realize all textures are by definition flat? They are literally two dimensional.
>>316328165
>being able to summon 2 free zealots and 2 free ranged is always useful
>they are FUCKING FREE but are generally useless once you get Dark Templars
Free units (+free pylon) are always good to have.
Did I say they win the game by themselves? Nope, in fact I said the opposite since the Zealots are cannon fodder.
>>316317402
I BRING TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOM
Throw out all the prophecy bullshit, have Raynor kill Kerrigan at the end of WoL, and make the HotS about the zerg dealing with the loss of their queen.
Bring back cerebrates as a decentralized command structure so the whole overmind/kerrigan getting killed thing doesn't happen again.
New Swarm is stronger than ever and sets it's sights on Aiur as it's embroiled in a civil war.
LotV is protoss resistance on aiur made of mixed factions having to learn to get along to fight the zerg and retake the planet.
Or whatever. Just make the game about the three races again and none of this space magic warcraft shit.
>>316309061
is there a list of all the unit brances?
>>316328898
It's probably on some wiki already, but I don't know.
>>316328626
You're just filling in the blanks of your retarded implications to suit your narrative now, despite what you intended what you straight up communicated was retarded, and you backpedaling now doesn't change what you literally said, and trying to blame me for taking your words at face value rather than blaming yourself for being so utterly incapable of communication is rather silly, but I've come to expect such folly of you.
>>316319996
I always remembered the funeral.
>>316328975
Yeah, you probably should stop reading things that aren't here, maybe it will make everybody's job easier.
>>316324240
someone can't handle needles
>>316329150
Indeed, and maybe you should stop desperately trying to pretend you didn't type what you typed, that shit is easy to scroll back to you know, as I've already shown you.
>>316323740
>dat cinematic when he crushes dalaran
>>316328890
i remember when sc was just a sci fi space circus about rednecks fighting bug aliens fighting ayylmao aliens
>>316320037
Retcon.
"Muh corruption" explains it all.
>>316319703
Most of the primal zerg look like dinosaurs though.
>>316329694
What is there to pretend? I said that free stuff is good, and you read it as: "You can win with just free Zealots!"
>>316329974
>first edition tryanids are literally ugly space dinosaurs
>starcraft comes out
>they are suddenly scythe-armed space locusts
>zerg turn into space dinosaurs
>>316330451
It's like pottery
>>316330451
like pottery
>>316330025
No, you quite literally said "zealots are free" as I've already linked back to you, you said that as an argument in establishing that you'd have more than enough minerals to build cannons, when I claimed you'd be better off spending those same minerals on more zealots.
Keep being retarded though, it's currently still funny, if not a bit stale.
>>316321450
I could maybe see this, with the Psi being too close in idea/design to the Tyranids synapse stuff.
But it still kind of exists in concept in SC2. Just not directly stated.
Man what the fuck.
>>316321312
You can actually toggle SC1/BW's music on for yourself for multiplayer in SC2
>>316328347
>if some corporation is larger, they can steal w/o any repercussions
>>316322398
>>316322234
What blows my mind is every other animation in the game is rock fucking solid
Except for those two fucking clowns. What fucking happened
You walk like a fag and your shit's all retarded
god I hate last-stand missions
>>316289794
>Zerg under Zagera go around conquering planets
>Dominion and Protoss are to busy sucking each others dicks to stomp her shit in.
>horner and all the raiders just abandon Raynor
>No idea what happened to Swann and the scientist
What the fuck happened
>>316331078
Also
What about the UED? Aren't they meant to come back
>>316331078
wait for the inevitable DLC
>>316331005
I only like with Terrans. Siege tanks up the ass
>>316291684
He started wearing this thing we call clothes.
>>316330547
Honestly, getting more Zealots is generally a waste of supply and gateway cooldown.
In early missions, they are useful, after that they generally don't last long enough to be useful. The only type of Zealot that still has some impact later is the Shadow Guard but by then, you'll be swimming in high-supply cost units anyway so you might as well get defense or mana batteries.
It diverts the enemies' attention and will most likely keep your production and/or probes from harm.
So what happened to that one broodmother who was left floating around on the protoss colony ship?
>>316326593
>tassadar and zeratul ghosts
Fuck off retard
>anything stukov
>perfect
Yeah lets ruin a tragic character by resurrecting him. Fuck off.
>Raynor ending
>not putrid filth
Fuck off.
You're obviously a 90s kid who never understood what made SC1&BW good. There is nothing to redeem about SC2 ruining characters like Zeratul, and making the story about prophecies, ancient gods, other universes and everything else that shitty writers come up with.
>>316330451
first edition Nids were more like tommyknockers.
>>316331349
loose thread
>>316331390
the story of Sc1 and BW were not that good compared to homeworld, tbph
i heard kerrigan is a xel naga now lol what
>>316331349
I wondered this too. Her mission heavily implies that we would get to fight her as Protoss, but in LotV she's nowhere to be found.
>>316331485
its literally warcraft in space
>>316331485
>lol what
Why are you acting surprised ?
Did you not play the 2 previous fucking games.
>>316331620
SHE ALREADY CHANGED THREE TIMES
ITS SO STUPID
>>316331678
If she changed once, she can change as many times as she wants.
>>316331583
what does this refer to
>>316331476
>compared to x
The only thing I compare to is SC2 here.
I'll just throw an example to why the writing is so different.
In SC1 beginning we are a random marshal evacuating a colony from ravenous monsters. Generic but the stakes are tangible and there's tension.
In SC2 its about interdimensional aliens and gods and the stakes are so astronomical that its impossible to give a shit about anything. Especially when they introduced the any story killing thing, "prophecy".
>>316331349
Kerrigan just left her to drift away ;_;
>>316331767
>sc1 campaign redone with sc2's campaigns gameplay
imagine
>>316321312
Dude i love the original's soundtrack but LotV has some pretty sweet music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFI-eH1KGUs
At least Blizzard's music is still fucking good, probably the only consistent part of their team.
>>316331746
the entire story plays like a wow expansion.
>>316331767
well, Sc1 had a story that was improved on by broodwar.
>>316331871
mass recall is a thing
but I would love if the campaign gameplay guys gave BW another shot.
>Rohanna will never jack you off with her feet
>>316331940
>mass recall is a thing
And it's surprisingly good. I was expecting something a lot more sub-par.
>>316322131
It sure has shit left the same feeling the Mass effect series has given me. All that build up for nothing etc, leaving and empty VOID in my being.
Do they not quality test this shit? Did no one come in and say 'maybe this could be written better'
>>316331965
Pic of her and her feet?
>>316331678
>enitre fucking WoL is about kerrigan, not terrans, not the civil war, not the zerg, just fucking kerrigan because raynor wants his waifu back
>through sacrificing everything else including millions of soldiers and yet another invasion on char we cleanse her
>she gets reinfected 5 minutes into HotS
Bravo Blizzard.
>>316331746
it's true, but in game it refers to an easter egg where you can make artanis say "this is not warcraft in space! it's much more sophisticated."
help /v/
i tried to start the original campaign for s2 and got two missions in and quit.
i can't seem to go in and play it again. i love starcraft when it came out, but i just cant get into starcraft 2.
help.
>>316331940
>>316332059
How do I get this mass recall.
I just read about it on the wiki and it sounds fucking awesome
>>316332357
google it.
it has a somewhat laborious setup, but is totally worth it.
>>316332470
BITCH JUST CUT YOUR HAIR
>>316332418
What version should I grab?
SCMR Mod or SCMR Retro Edition?
After reading this thread, I'm glad I never played SC2. I'll just hang on to my BW storyline where zerg are just a swarm of insects and not something Saur...I mean Amon created from the Void....where he is formless, nameless...oh shit...man why did they butcher a good scifi story with some fucking lotr magic fantasy.
>>316332470
>She could fit your dick between her two toes.
>>316332470
and her feet
>>316332548
>zerg are created from the void
but they aren't anon.
You go to the zerg home planet and find primal zerg
So will this revive the SC2 'esport'.
>>316332530
I used the retro edition
IIRC it added sc2 versions of some older units like dragoons.
>>316332548
>Comparing blizzard stories to LOTR
why.
>>316315720
>I don't know why they can't understand that sometimes people like villains for being villains and don't really want to see them "redeemed".
That's what WoW has the Burning Legion for.
Hell, they retconned Sargeras into being MORE evil. He started out as being a stalwart champion of the titans, until he came across 2 races in space so evil that he went insane and became evil through corrputon...somehow. Now he's written as being a titan champion who sees the concept of order being brought about by the titans is wrong, and that the worlds must burn because chaos theory.
>>316332521
THE HAIR IS WHO I AM
>>316332630
>Ruining his fantasy
Don't do this, anon.
>>316332589
Imagine how soft her feet have to be since she floats all the time.
>>316332470
Those are some child birthing hips. Which brings up the question as to whether or not Protoss lay eggs.
>>316332703
>tfw this was me a week ago
>girls find me cuter with short hair
>I hate myself
She was pretty useless though
>abloo bloo, the dark templar are evil
>the tal'darim are evil
>the purifiers are evil
>the not-warp is good
>>316304896
>you can't even tell which game a character belongs to.
They all belong in Heroes of the Storm, anon ;)
>>316332674
Believable human evil is far more interesting than universe-must-burn diabolical evil.
>>316332630
No, not created in a void. But I read that the other Xelnagas destroyed Amons form and his consciousness escaped to the Void..WAT.
>>316332657
Cause after I read about Amon it fukken seems like lotr plot.
>>316332837
>every time he looks into me I look into him! I can use this to help you!
>never uses it for anything helpful
>>316332837
She was there to represent old traditions, history and shit. Her cutting the hair was supposed to represent toss leaving their past behind and opening a new page of history. Deep pottery from Metzen right there.
Just finished it
Shit was pretty though and enjoyable on a mix of hard/brutal
Still feel like the "My nigga T. was behind all this all along" was contrived but whatever, I've seen shittier ending
>>316318153
No, that's not why. He makes it very clear in the campaign that he trusts Zeratul in the whole "we are all going to die in the future if you kill her"
reminder that we once had this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-00uQzXyujI
>>316333036
You've seen a shittier ending than a butchered character getting the powers of a god to turn into super saiyan god to kill an evil god and all this happening in another dimension
And afterwards the hero and heroine go to heaven to play Adam and Eve for the rest of their days
I want to know what ending is worse, because not even Mass Effect 3 was this bad. And that ruined ME series retroactively for me so it was pretty awful.
>>316333190
and now we have cheesy lines LIKE RIDING A BICYCL and TIDINGS OF DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
fuck blizzard with a rake
>>316320492
Stukov was revealed alive in SC1, this wasn't a 2 thing.
Before you say it was from the N64 version, they put those maps on PC as well.
>>316333252
After playing MGS5 I'm actually grateful for having a proper final mission and final cinematic
>>316333252
Mass effect is worse, because there are plenty of games where a character becoming a god to fight a god ends up being ok.
There is just no way to justify killing aliens to save them from killing themselves.
>>316333342
I love how despite the old CGI, those characters had so much depth.
you can feel the bewilderment and horror of the marine as the battlecruiser leaves them to their fate
>>316333469
Nobody counts that shit while talking about SC1&BW campaign.
Hell, they use a magic infestation cure that is never mentioned again. For most people Stukov came out of nowhere during HotS
>>316333342
Clearly blizzard has failed us, you must not.
>>316333707
The designs of the protoss faces in SC1 were nice and distinct. Not like now where they all pretty much look the same
>>316333526
And usually those games are fantasy with already established supernatural and magic elements.
Compared to SC1 the cthulhu space gods with heavy amounts of space magic its jarring as hell.
SC1 had grit, in the manual they even touched on zerg biology. It wasn't hard sci-fi but it sure as hell wasn't this wacky magical adventure where love an friendship give powers to defeat ancient evil gods
>>316291575
>>316291684
He put his armor on?
>>316333528
Everything in those videos are so expertly composed, the lighting, the sounds, the cuts, the timing. The little touches too, like the shellshocked soldier resigned to death rocking back and forth, the eagerness in the captains voice trying to intervene etc.
>>316296876
I just want to see the reunion scene with Fenix and Raynor now.
"Dude you promised to fucking avenge me!"
"Yeah but dat psionic pussy doe...."
So are Zerg a hive mind?
Why do some higher Zerg like Kerrigans "scientist" and her Queen friend have control with what they want and do?
>>316333707
why is aldaris frowning
>>316322507
Why does that specific Protoss have a mouth?
Also some Dark Templar concept art show they have some mean looking jaws.
>>316332674
W.here the fuck are you guys getting this shit about sargeras ? The dude went around making worlds and shit and was tasked with protecting them and burning out evil and chaos. Eventually he realized the hopelessness of his task and went crazy. THE END. He didn't get corrupted.
>>316315781
True, but the damage had already been dealt. He went from being a fearsome but sagely assassin to a tired old man whose only purpose is to act as a plot device to get things going.
>>316333975
He is emulating the feeling your parents have about your life choices.
What the fuck does this thing look like in 3d? Same with Lurkers
>>316334225
They look terrible in the campaign, honestly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIt4tmkvVtE
>tfw the Imperium of man will never purge the koprulu sector
I haven't followed Warcraft role since early Burning Crusade
Sounds like stupid shit had happened. Can anyone post a quick recap to get me back up to speed? Did they go the same interdimensional god thing shit that they went with Starcraft?
>>316334145
This. He was so fucking cool in SC1. I was really sold on that he was this incredibly ancient warrior-monk-assassin who traveled the univerese for centuries and seen some shit.
Literally every single cool voice acting from 1 was ruined, the ghost, the siege tank, the goliath, the battlecruiser, the carrier, the zerg advisor etc.
Lets not even begin on the fucking zerg sounds. They went from this simple and badass space rhino who sounds he could slap your shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9_6dqp6Hl4 to this drooling piece of overdesigned shit making toiled sounds through 9001. filters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEY0BDCAi-8
>>316334371
yes.
along with time travel and alternate universes
>>316331190
UED never was able to communicate to earth what happened. They have no idea the fleet fell.
I haven't been following any news about SC2 for a long time. Does the issue about the game overheating hardware because of programming or something still exist?
>>316334595
I thought the fleet decided not to return because that may have led the zerg on
>>316331767
>Especially when they introduced the any story killing thing, "prophecy".
So myth is shit, you're saying?
>>316334371
Wrath of Lich King
>Arthas is doing evil shit
>you uncover ancient Titan technology and find out Dwarves, Humans and gnomes were originally robot servants but were cursed into having flesh and die from age
>Titan tech turns on to end the world but you stop it
>Arthas just bumming around gets attacked by Horde and Alliance then gets killed. There must always be a Lich king to control the rogue evil energy so some tortured palladin takes the mantle
>>316334595
>>316334595
SC3. UED returns. No more space-magic shit, we go back to BW-era techno-warfare.
>>316334123
Yes he did. He ran came across the Eredar and Nathrezim and while he easily defeated them, he couldn't comprehend the idea of such evil existing and it drove him mad. It's in the manual.
>>316291684
World of Warcraft happened to him.
World of Warcraft happened to Blizzard.
I bought The Taken King instead of LotV. I am the guy who keeps original Starcraft disc from 90's in wall safe. This depicts what I think of Blizzard past 2004-2005.
>>316334595
>UED sends out three dinky prisons ships somewhere
>they found a fuckhuge colonial system able to stand up to the supposedly perfect ancient alien races
>UED sends back a single explorator fleet to check on them
>kicks everyones ass, take every planet they want, chain the overmind like a fucking dog
I will never forgive the fucking korean faggots for whining about race balance and not getting the UED as a fourth race in BW as we were supposed to.
>>316333801
Except they were already setting up the xelnaga stuff as the lategame of the franchise back in SC1
It might be the usual blizz plan of resurrected/corrupted people but they didnt pull a 180 on that one
So... how does one do that last mission?
Just build up a huge army and go for the stupid stones?
>>316333631
>Nobody counts that shit while talking about SC1&BW campaign.
Yeah no one talks about Alan Schezar's whole scheme either, but that's canon too.
>>316334864
In my mind I like to pretend Destiny is Starcraft: Ghost.
>>316334673
Yes. Instead of carefully building up a world, a coherent setting, showing up events and reasons that might lead up to something they go DURR THIS WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT.
>>316334690
Cataclysm
>Thrall steps down and makes Garrosh horde leader. Thrall marries while also becoming Green Jesus
>death wing wakes up and flies around the world causing destruction
>alliance get British werewolves while horde get Goblins
>destruction wakes up elementals that threaten the world so you end up killing the elementals lords
>you then jump on death wings back and remove his armor so Thrall uses his Jesus powers to weaken death wing so you can kill him properly.
>>316334868
wait, UED was supposed to be a 4th fucking race?
>>316334673
It kills a story, because suddenly nothing has any weight since everything was apparently predetermined. Things weren't about powerful individuals, chance, skill, battles, politics. They were about space god design.
There's no indication to a "self-fulfilling prophecy" that is somewhat acceptable. This is full space magic.
>>316334938
Build a huge blob and stomp everything in your way while spamming Kerrigan's heal
Also fast expand and keep a defense force
>>316334662
No they tried, Kerrigan hunted them down.
>>316334823
Yeah... That's basically what I said. He wasn't corrupted with some mysterious purple magic he just went insane. That isnt being corrupted.
>>316335061
that is confusing
the admiral pretty much told his wife that they would not be returning, meaning that they had given up hope
>this is duke in mass recall
>>316334964
>>316335015
>There's no indication to a "self-fulfilling prophecy" that is somewhat acceptable.
Oedipus Rex. That is the way humanity thought back then, that we're nothing more than slaves to fate.
>>316334673
>So myth is shit, you're saying?
Not him but yes, myth IS shit. It's shit motivation and as fucking useless as going on "faith". The best thing in stories is when you meet Hades, confront him on his shit in myths and he owns up on it but that never happens ever.
>>316334968
You forget the best part
>the fucking dragon aspects convene to bless the world tree again giving the nigth elves their immortality back
>turns out its thralls marriage instead!
>some cowled guys run up to you and stun all the dragon aspects and you too!
>thrall gets split in four and you have to save him while he talks about his feelings!!
it was literally naruto fanfiction tier
also, the time when you travelled back to fight with illidan and kill mannoroth in a 5man, then resolve the ENTIRE infinite dragonflight plot in another irrelevant 5man with killing nozdormu in the future
>>316334868
I still get upset that the UED were the exact same as the Dominion. You can clearly see in other SC media that not only are there variations between the different Terran factions (Dominion, Kel-Morian, Umoja) but also the smaller factions. Yet the UED has the same level of technology when they should be much further ahead. I know the "lore" explanation is that they had to use what they could find in the sector to equip their men, but who doesn't go into an invasion prepared with sufficient equipment. Blame it on the inability of 90's data limits why we couldn't get different looking units. Fuck, now we have 3 different versions of Zealots and Immortals!
>>316333190
Meanwhile some people say Blizzard's still got it on the cinematic end of things, jesus.
>>316334874
XelNaga themselves aren't a problem. In SC1 I got a vibe that they were a technologically advanced race that died out.
But instead they are ancient immortal interdimensional god things with cycles and prophecies.
Bullshit.
Also, hybrids under Samir Duran could have worked as a story but they had to incorporate the stupid Amon and what I said up there about xelnaga.
>>316335213
its all flash and no goddamn substance.
At least relic still does that somewhat
>>316334968
MOP
>Pandaria get revealed and everybody gets Pandas
>Horde and alliance fight in Pandaria
>Garrosh uses old god shit from Pandaria to go super Saiyan and then you beat him up
WoD
>Garrosh escapes and goes through a time portal to go to alternate reality past draenor
>he gives past orcs future technology so they can invade Azeroth Prime
>you go to alternate reality Draenor and kill everything
>you go back to Azeroth prime
>some big demon who was dead in Azeroth prime but still alive in alternate reality draenor snuck back in and caused the next expac
>>316334997
Yes but it was axed turbo early because when the fans whine for LESS content that also savey you money, you fucking go with that, its a nobrainer.
I also really like the derpy early starcraft pictures with loadsa cut shit, like, science vessel on legs, units and buildings not in final and the time when starcraft was LITERALLY warcraft 2 in space. I think starcraftlegacy or some site still has the image collection
>>316335182
>It's shit motivation and as fucking useless as going on "faith".
Faith is all one needs
>>316335280
Man the secret map in BW was MAD creepy because it was so subtly led up.
>>316335357
fucking gooks
>wanting less content so that they can stroke their epeens
>>316335209
Hey, maybe if Blizzard does DLC the UED might come back into the picture and we'll get that 4th race we wanted.
>>316335168
the admiral wrote a letter to his wife saying they had failed and then committed suicide.
the rest of the fleet was pretty cool with going home.
>>316335565
Impossible. Korea would literally revolt.
>>316334968
I can't believe Deathwing actually gets killed. He survived so much shit in the War of the Ancients
>>316335213
They say Blizzard still has cinematic skills but they're just praising the quality of the work and the techniques. It's visually stunning.
All the "non-visual" other stuff has gone to shit. The cinematics are no longer dramatic, the voice acting is garbage, the writing is trash, the actual storyboarding and concepts are terrible, everything good is gone. It's all special effects porn like Star Wars.
Look at this. It's fucking Stalin and French Ed Harris having a conversation in a lounge. Minimal fighting. Kickass in a million ways and most importantly convincing us that these people are real characters. Now all the characters are just retarded children who can't play nice together.
Even when Jimmy and Tychus were lounging around they ended up punching each other.
>>316335524
>stroking epeen
No it was more of "we don't want anything that changes the meta"
Though the epeen thing isn't necesarily untrue. I mean a big reason they disliked SC2 is because it's not as APM-intensive as BW, which means people other than Koreans could theoretically keep up with them. I meant that turned out to not be true, but still.
>>316335280
>In SC1 I got a vibe that they were a technologically advanced race that died out.
It was much more thant that, SC1 introduced them with worshipers, race creators and hint of immortality
It was god damn obvious they were going to be a massive plot element one day
>corrupt everyone
>edgy ending
>people complain about my shitty writing
>uncorrupt everyone
>flowers and sunshine ending
>people still complain about my shitty writing
Metzen, everybody
>>316335280
Also the VA for Samir Duran was great. Then it's just some dumb old guy with dumb dialogue in SC2 with a super secret name that is totally not the name duran but reversed
>>316328482
Shut up, you know what he means nigga
>>316315245
That's the most American ending to any fiction ever.
>>316328482
I think he means flat shaded as opposed to bumpmapped
>>316335772
That was bullshit. Didn't even get to see him properly
>>316335604
Not like Blizz can balance the 3 races well anymore anyway, hell maybe having a 4th race might actually benefit the game's balance.
>>316335628
>Now all the characters are just retarded children who can't play nice together.
This is also true to warcraft. I read the book about garrosh's trial and I was legitimately upset about it. Like fucking pissed, stark raving mad walking around in my room. It was if like someone went out to write a long troll pasta and make everyone who has the slightest contact with the real world mad. And the worst thing is, fucking nerds eat it up because they think thats how the world actually works.
>>316335772
>Also the VA for Samir Duran was great.
Nothing could be done about it. The original actor of Duran (and Arthas, the Overmind, Zeratul, and many others, Paul voiced a lot of Blizz characters) died.
>>316335374
Oh yeah, faith is fucking fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COz_0dEOHcU
>>316300272
>The Overmind did what it must. It consumed because that was it's nature. There was no good or evil in StarCraft.
Pretty sure, you're full of shit anon. All those retcons, and you still defend them? Listen, the OVERMIND attacked humans because of their psionic potential, which it wanted to use in order to fight and eventually consume the protoss, which seems like pure greed to me, it was already a powerful space ferrying by that point.
This was all before the WoL retcons happened. The hybrids that appear in the new game were supposed to be zerg created and controlled beings, future versions of what Kerrigan was.
And yeah, I'm pretty fucking sure taking the lore, story and characters then doing a 90degree turn right into a wall is a retconn, even if it was done by the same company that created the series.
Just like how Fallout 4 retcon'd a lot of things from past games, don't eat shit and claim it isn't.
>>316335678
And everything out of that can be applied to a technologically advanced race, when a primitive one looks at them.
There was no need to go with space magic but what-fucking-ever. What's done is done and we see the result now.
>>316335898
That's unfortunate
>>316335904
*tips*
>>316335658
jesus christ,
blizzard shit the bed with them didn't they?
>>316336000
Are you actually defending the Koreans on this one?
>>316327382
This is a Blizzard game. So long as you play the corruption card, you are 100% absolved of any crimes you committed.
Hell, if you're Orc enough, you don't even need corruption, you can just do it for fun then promise you won't anymore.
My biggest problem with SC2 is they made it about the whole universe being in danger of this ancient evil
SC1 wasn't at all about the universe, it took place in some small irrelevant backwater sector with some ex-con hicks fighting a bunch of aliens, all 3 factions almost get smashed by a single UED scouting party
yet in SC2, UED isn't mentioned at all, the Zerg & Protoss are super special original races of the universe & they have to all fight together to save the universe
What the fuck
>>316335898
wait, arthas was voiced by Justin gross, right?
blizz didn't want to pay him
>>316335898
>Arthas
>Overmind
>actors dead
Wasn't the Overmind Paul Eding? he ain't dead. Also Justin Gross for Arthas ain't fucking dead.
>>316335870
I wish they would bring back the BW style mech terran somehow. It was fucking great, like actual strategy, managing all your siege tank lines, laying minefields, building turrets, running marines between bunkers to cover more ground with the same supply etc. The UED would be great for this.
>>316335918
>which seems like pure greed to me,
Cause youre a moron and you need to fuck off to /tg/ and argue about paladins falling and morality. The zerg were beyond morality. Thats what made them great. Internally it was a happy family of a loving father, his cerebrate children and billions of screaming bladed tentacles who werent really intelligent at all, they were just like white blood cells defending the hive clusters.
Terran created the zerg btw
>>316336051
no. I am not.
I fucking hate that they actually wanted features removed because they couldn't handle it
>>316336079
In fairness, alt universe Grom never actually got the chance to do anything evil. We jumped in and stopped the Iron Horde before they even left the Blasted Lands.
>>316336117
Shit you're right, I forgot Arthas was someone else.
>>316336143
Overmind is Paul Eiding now. Paul Ainsley was the original Overmind.
>>316336223
>In fairness, alt universe Grom never actually got the chance to do anything evil.
>>316332470
>they show this bitch
>Selendis nowhere to be found
Why is this allowed?
>>316336097
Fucking this
I get so triggered by the "our galaxy is in danger"
Fuck off, 100 000 light years in diameter is a fairly huge place. That's incredibly shitty writing.
Fighting for a sector of couple dozen systems is understandable. When you try to amp up the stakes by going all "galaxies and universes" all the tension is drained and it all falls flat.
Shit writing.
>>316336223
>In fairness, alt universe Grom never actually got the chance to do anything evil. We jumped in and stopped the Iron Horde before they even left the Blasted Lands.
Did you, perhaps, go THROUGH that portal and see what his Horde did on the other side?
>>316334371
>WoTLK
>Arthas wakes up from his LK sleep
>He's no longer merged with Ner'zhul, instead he murdered him and his own humanity (kid arthas)
>Has a massive bullshit plan to turn the worlds heroes into Gen 3 deathknights (The playable death knigth class) to then turn against the world for ultimate despair
>To do this he has to bait the horde and alliance to start a war with him so he can sort out the strong from the weak
>Meanwhile, Malygos wakes up from his insanity and starts a war on all mages while ignoring the Scourge.
>All the dragonflights retaliate and ask for mortal help because they can't deal with the scourge and blue flight at the same time
>Arthas employs proginator race of giant vikings called Vrykul, who are humanities equivalent to Earthen.
>As the expansion goes on we discover an Old God called Yogg saron (pic releated) was imprisoned by the titans under northrend.
>He is the old god of death, and corrupted a titan construct called Loken to produce metal dwarves
>His blood is loved by the scourge and utilized by Arthas.
>Might as well be the final boss of WoW because his raid was 10/10.
>Also, Mal'Ganis never died and leads the Scarlet Crusade to northrend, but nobody cared about this.
>We kill Malygos, we "kill" yogg.
>When we try to kill Arthas he one shots us and then Tirion goes super sayian and breaks frostmourne with the ashbringer.
>Then Bolvar, who was burned by the red dragonflight when they were doing a purge of the forsaken blight, says there must always be a lich king less the scourge becomes a true zombie apocolypse out of the walking dead.
>Bolvar becomes the new lichking, dubbed Warden of the Damned.
>>316336223
Did they reveal who does Not-Fenix's voice in Legacy of the Void? I wanna know at least if they got the same guy so I have something to look forward to in Heroes of the Storm at least when the inevitably make Fenix playable.
>no UED
I'm disappointed, I wanted to see "big guns"
>>316336327
She's corrupted in the second mission of the campaign. Then she gets purified in the ending cutscene. She even shittalks you for shooting down the protoss ships during the last mission.
>>316335628
>They say Blizzard still has cinematic skills but they're just praising the quality of the work and the techniques. It's visually stunning.
Oh yeah I agree, on a technical level they're still very well done. But on everything else, it's Bay-tier shit.
>>316335604
Doesn't Korea play LoL now?
>>316335891
>fucking nerds eat it up because they think thats how the world actually works
Well, that actually is how the world works. We can't get along. And often we compromise to a shitty conclusion out of monetary limits or political captial instead of doing what is right and lasting.
The problem is that nerds shouldn't be eating it up. The nice thing about fiction is that we can demand rationality, cooperation, and openness that is absent in our real world because that's what makes characters heroes. The most heroic thing Artanis could have done was bring up Kerrigan on the phone and request some Overlords to pacify the Zerg on Aiur - THAT is what would be heroic. Kerrigan could have avoided slaughtering billions of lives by asking Zeratul to off Mengsk and take the Dominion out of the picture. Raynor could have fucking shot Kerrigan.
We don't get to see heroes in our world. The people who act rationally, put aside their biases and history for the greater good, the people who do more than get things done but get things done right and don't kick the can down the road.
What we need to demand of fiction is that it isn't just purely reflective of the world. Just because our faggot leaders can't cooperate doesn't mean the space-aliens should be faggots too especially not if they have the wisdom of age and ridiculous technology.
>>316336165
>The zerg were beyond morality.
>Cerebrate dies
>Remaining cerebrates team up to fuck up what killed their friend
>Even later on, the remaining ones joined in an attempt to create a new Overmind of their own will
Yeah, you're right. They don't have a morality, or consciousness or thought or independent action. They are white blood cells, completely inactive, passive and dormant unless confronted.
Thoughts?
>>316336369
>Did you, perhaps, go THROUGH that portal and see what his Horde did on the other side?
Ner'zhul was the one behind the dark star stuff and attack on the draenei
The Thunderlord clan were the ones attacking the Frostwolf, and it was mainly because of a Cain and Abel thing with the third brother.
The only region where the Warsong clan had a clear strong presence and influence and not the work of another clan was Nagrand
>>316336446
>tfw you play as her in bw
>>316336371
>He's no longer merged with Ner'zhul, instead he murdered him
This part always annoyed me. Arthas was barely more than a mind-controlled soulless husk by the time he put on Lich King's armour while Ner Zhul was a powerful soul of an old and wise orc shaman and yet Blizzard made the prince fuccboi the dominant personality because he's a popular character.
>>316336481
No. Fuck you. Oversimplifying everything to the point where everyone acts like kindergarten children and griveous issues like fucking GENOCIDE gets to slide because "play nice kids :-)" is horrendous bullshit.
>>316336541
SC2 has way more purple. In SC1 zerg had more organic and darker feel to their color palette. In sc2 they are just purple.
>>316336613
>The only region where the Warsong clan
Grommash was the leader of the unified clans, he ran the show. He fucking ordered Ner'zhul several times in Shadowmoon questing.
>>316336459
They do, but finals of all big SC2 tourneys are still Korean only.
>>316336223
>literally created orc army to pillage and conquer stuff
>dindu nuffin
>>316336000
At that point I think that while pro gamers have good insight on the state of the game, they're harmful to new content's development (whether it's an expansion that adds content, like BW, or continuous dev like Dota)
>>316336513
I will give you a (You) and the benefit of doubt you just misread it and not intentionally shitposting.
The cerebrates and the overmind are the only intelligent zerg. Every single zerg unit we see is an animal, a white blood cell controlled by them and they turn on eachother if not controlled.
>>316336616
Blizz has gone back and forth on that.
>>316336541
I don't know what I'm looking at.
>>316336780
>dindu nuffin
Well yeah, he literally never got to pillage and conquer. He didn't do nuffin in the worst way, he was denied it.
>>316336613
You do realize Grommash is the leader of the entire Iron Horde, right? He's the one who tells Ner'zhul what to do at the north of Embari, and at the mausoleum like area, at the camp you infiltrate.
>>316336721
yeah it's not perfect, it doesn't even use green which was huge in BW. But I think it's a pretty good visual to show the change in tone.
>>316336652
>Blizzard made the prince fuccboi the dominant personality because he's a popular character.
I actually didn't mind that because Arthas is probably one of my favorite Blizzard characters.
>>316336165
>managing all your siege tank lines, laying minefields, building turrets, running marines between bunkers to cover more ground with the same supply etc.
That's considered bad game design nowyeah I know...
>>316336652
not to mention, that stopped any chance of arthas redemption
>>316336831
yeah, that makes him blameless.
>>316334371
>>316336371
>Cataclysm
This is when it gets dumb
>Deathwing since the last time we saw him has been in the elemental plane of earth, deepholm, healing in the heart of the dimension.
>Rather than being the manipulative Villain of the past, he has become a molten, old god fueled abomination and has taken over the Twilight Hammer cult, who helped stitch him back together.
>He bursts out of the elemental plane through the maelstrem of all places, giving blizzard the excuse to poorly remake the vanilla wow territories.
>Two elemental lords, Ragnerous and Al'akir, team up with him while Therezane becomes neutral and Neptulon is good for some reason
>Goblins join the horde and the kingdom of Gilneas joins the alliance under the form of Worgen, because of some bullshit about why there is a werewolf curse I'm not going to explain.
>Most of the expansion is fighting twilight cultists and dragons and shit.
>A lot of lore bullshit like Cairne dieing, Garrosh Hellscream being warchief, Magni becomes cystal, Sylvanas commits genocide. It's latent with pointless changes.
>We wreck Cho'gal and the twilight cult, wreck an unexplained Nefarion returning, wreck rag in the elemental plane for good and then wreck deathwing.
>But it's dumber than it sounds, You see we can't kill deathwing so we go back in time to find the Dragon Soul so thrall can use it to blow deathwing up.
>This is some gay time paradox latent destinty thing where the titans set up some complex time alteration bullshit to cock block the Old Gods, which results in the dragon aspects becoming mortal.
>It's really fucking dumb
>>316336652
They did it because they wanted it feel like Arthas was more to blame than Ner'zhul.
one thing that bothers me is that none of the cinematics feature spaceships
like, its just EPIC SHOWDOWN and MUH PROPHECY
they really lost their way
>>316336865
But his story had a great finish when he put up the crow. Why break the closure and keep bringing back characters.
>>316336751
>>316336839
Not him, but SM is the only place where it actually feels like Grommash is calling the shots
>Frostwolf: entire thing is an interclan war between brothers
>Talador: Blackhand's war machine
>Spires of Arak: Kargath vs the birds
>Gorgrond: I'm gonna be honest, I don't even remember the plot of Gorgrond, but I think it was more Blackhand stuff
>Nagrand: It was more Garrosh than Grom
>>316336803
So the zerg, are white blood cells that only follow their instinct, but the zerg are also intelligent, greedy and seek to consume all living things outside of need?
So which is it buddy, you can't cheery pick parts here or there. They are either all zerg or not at all. I finding it hard to tell if you're being contrarian or if you really love blizzard.
>>316337145
I dunno, I will say I wish his personality had been more of a fusion of the two, like I thought it was gonna be with the whole "NOW WE ARE ONE" thing.
>>316319345
>>316319093
I watched "Generation Kill" recently and thought that reporter dude was kind of like Liberty - just watching from the side, but i might remember it wrong, it's been what, 10 years since i read it?
I liked the book, it made the game more deep. Not Dostoyevsky deep or whatever, just a nice addition of facts and backstory events to make it more complete, so to speak.
>>316337358
Nah, Michael Liberty is insanely biased and anti-dominion. He's not the same as Evan Wright
>>316334371
Pretty much this. But it's missing the final part where you kill Archimonde AGAIN with Gul'Dan escaping to bring back to legion to Azeroth...again.
>>316337197
They still genocided as much draenei as they could on his orders. He was just inept at the whole conquering thing. There is no fucking way he should have been a dindu, even after guldan kekd him.
>>316337309
And then they kept going back and forth on the thing during entire wotlk if arthas or the lich king even exists.
I just wanted some no-nonsense incredbily efficent and evil supervillain shit mixed with arthas' presence.
>>316337039
>>316334371
Now I quit in cata, but here is what I know about expansion aftwerwords
>MoP
>Horde and Alliance increase war efforts against each other now that the world is safe
>Cataclysm has revealed Pandera, a southern landmass concealed by mists because a panderean emperor sacrificed himself to hide it.
>It's basically WoW in china, lots of lore shit added resembling chinese mythology.
>First part of the expansion is fighting Mogu, a race of Fu-lion men who were titan constructs once, that have the ability to shape flesh and create new races.
>They were the old peak of civilization in Pandera until the Panda people kicked their ass and made them extinct.
>Zandalari trolls are bad now for some reason, and were once allies of the Mogu
>use troll magic to de-extinct the Mogu
>There is also a race of mantis distantly releated to Nerubians and quraji.
>Their queen has been corrupted by the Sha, spooky ghosts born of emotions, a result of a curse from a dead old god called Yashaarj.
>We fight the mogu, save the mantids and kill Zandalari, including Old cool zandalari we were friends with in vanillia because blizzard hates us.
>Garrosh Hellscream becomes blatantly evil and seizes the heart of Yashaarj
>dumps it into the pandarian well of eterntiy equivalent and becomes "not corrupted"
>We seige ogrimmar and kill him and MUH PEACE.
does wow or warcraft lore ever acknowledge altars resurrecting heroes with 0 effort
Why did Vorazun made a statement about traditions changing with people in the ending mission? That's not what she was saying before: she didn't say Artanis was a true protoss, but a Dark Templar for his will to sacrifice himself for greater good. And now she doesn't care about Shadow Walk? What? That's not even the point Artanis was making with his "unification". That's like the only moment that made me consider that Blizzard is shoehorning their own political agenda, there's no reason why she would have changed her mind like that. Artanis talks about true freedom because of the separation from the Khala. Fenix talks about finding his true self as a purifier. Alarak respects Artanis, but is not willing to throw himself or his people for absolute unity. Only Vorazun is talking that she kinda okay with fucking with her people.
>>316337663
Yeah I didn't get that either, everyone else made sense
>>316337039
>>316337591
Opps I didn't mean kill him
>We Imprison Garrosh, he awaits execution
>Deathwings Gay son from cata, Wrathion and a rogue bronze dragon free him and they run off to an alternate time line on Draenor
>garrosh meets his daddy and saves him from corruption, creating the iron horde.
>He doesn't simply live in this cool not-corrupted version of Draenor because of some bullshit where it's "the universe is damned in the first war doesn't happen"
>So instead he opens a time dark portal to our time to take it over.
>We go in an stop that shit, while experiencing how shitty Draenor is compared to outland.
>Ogres are now more civilized than Orcs
>Arrakoa used to be airborne but some curse shit crippled them
>The void that voidwalkers are made out of is confirmed for being the source of undeath.
>We stop the iron horde, but then then the legion invades
>Gu'dan lives and thus Legion expansion.
I would have gone into more detail but thread is dead jim.
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>Ogres are now more civilized than Orcs
In fairness, basically every ogre in canon that has ever gotten their hands on magic (and sometimes a second head) is a super-genius.
>>316338263
It's a retconn, since Draenor didn't have arcane until the legion was involved.
Remember that Ogre Magi were a specially made from Altars of the storm, same with two headed ogres.
the new lore instead makes it that Ogres discovered magic and started an empire. This is canon for both time lines.
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