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Project M > Melee > Smash 4 > Smash 64 > Shit < Brawl
Well okay, but how does Brawl rate compared to the other Smash games?
You kind of messed up your blind hate joke at the end there.
>>315719828
>>315719845
lolwhoops
>>315719676
Put Four before shit and I'll agree.
Melee > PM > 64 > Rivals > Shit > trash bore = Brawl
>>315722209
>rivals
>>315719676
Melee > PM > 64 > My Ass > 4&Brawl
reminder
>>315719676
Brawl>4>Mario party>melee>64
Never played project m
>>315722431
>tfw not a shitter
Why Ganon in Melee though? I've always thought he was a bro-as-fuck character, and generally easy as shit to beat
>>315722431
>64 empty
Perfect.
>>315722431
>Pikachu mains not shitters in 64
>Peach mains shitter in Melee
Pretty much spot on with Smash 4, though I would also add Wario and Ganon. Heavy shitters are always the most obnoxious of the bunch for some reason.
>>315722431
i just use ness because earthbound is one of my favorite games
Why am I a shitter?
>>315722712
Not sure. People on /v/ and /vg/ seem to be obsessed with Ganon, though. I'm guessing because he's super strong and requires no real tech skill outside of l-cancelling maybe?
I would replace him with Ice Climbers, honestly. Wobbling was a mistake.
>>315722590
good taste anon
Why are P:M fags the absolute worst people in the smash fanbase?
Why Captain Falcon though?
>>315723145
Too bad for Melee, too hip for Sm4sh.
>>315722431
>not kirby mains in 64
kirby is the cancer of competitive 64.
>>315719676
>boyfriend spending the weekend at a project m tournament instead of talking to me
awful game desu
>>315723046
>no real tech-skill out of l-cancelling though
Surely you mean wave-landing? He's downright mediocre otherwise.
>>315724893
Forgot about that
>>315724893
>playing ganon without l-cancelling
you let me know how that goes mate.
>>315722431
>I cant beat PK Fire
>I cant beat fucking Meme Falcon
>Mario
Holy shit you are terrible
>>315725013
Poor phrasing; I meant that wave-landing is an equally essential part of any Ganon's toolkit.
>>315722431
>hating all fundamental heavy characters
>muh tech skill and rapid button pushing
>>315725093
They're top-tier for a reason, and that reason is down-throw.
>PK Fire
But nobody uses that move unless you're playing online.
>>315722431
Peach is actually really technical though.
Sheik/Puff is accurate easymode though.
>>315725458
>jigglypuff
>easy mode
You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>315723046
>Get beat by Ganon player
>'u jst got beat by ganon lol disreprekt'
>Beat Ganon player
>'i only lost cuz ganon sucks lol'
Everyone on /v/.
>>315725457
>Ness
Not even close
>Falcon
Sorta, but not really
>Mario
Again, he has a good one but its not his whole game
They arent even at the top of the tier list. Falcon and Mario arent even Top 10
>>315725581
Even hbox admits Jiggs players can get far on gimmicks and lack of techskill.
>>315725970
Who is Top 10 though
Melee=PM>64>Brawl>Smash 4
Yes, Brawl is better than Smash 4. At least you have frame traps out the ass and a decent punish game. Smash 4 is a watered down Brawl with a pretty coat of paint. Single player in 4 is also a joke, if you want to talk about that too.
tru faam
>>315726581
Shit, how do I get my foobar to look like this? I haven't been to /mu/ for probably years now.
>>315726193
In no order
Shiek, Rosa, Pikachu, Sonic, Luigi, ZSS, Diddy Ness, Meta Knight, Fox
>>315726784
My foobar looks like shit compared to the rest of the /mu/tants. You cna go in the settings and get all this shit w/ standard presets
>>315727014
>MK
>Not mario
shit list
The only smash game worth playing at a competitive level is melee unless you're some kind of 64 prodigy.
>>315727140
>not just a picture of the blast zone animation covering Fox
>>315727014
>Nerfed Luigi
>Meta Knight
>No Yoshi
>>315727014
Falcon and Mario have way more results than MK.
>>315727140
Falcon doesn't have a back kick
>>315727201
>>315727234
It's better this way. Trust me.
>>315727408
it would make a LOT more sense if it was Fox Bairing Falcon
Melee > 64 > PM > Smash 4 > Brawl
>>315727210
Luigi can still tornado kill its just not true anymore and reliant on DI reading, he got more combos due to the "nerf" than he had before and his Dair is better
He's honestly a better character now just harder
Yoshi isnt top ten/
>>315727216
MK also recently got buffs and is picking steam up. He will get those numbers easily. He's far better than Falcon, the only argument is Mario
64=Melee>Sm4sh>Brawl
Pm>Melee>64>Rivals>SDremix>SSF2>Sm4sh>Crusade>Brawl->PSASBR>Brawl
/autism
>M2Ks Twitter
This is the end
>>315722431
>64 has no kirby
>melee has no marth
>sm4sh doesn't have "all characters"
0/10
>>315729101
>I really truely have no motivation for anything
He's going to hang himself with a GC controller wire just you wait
sm4sh>project M>brawl>melee>64
>>315729218
Melee marth isn't for shitters though...
>>315729218
Marth's recovery is trash, unlike Peach/Puff. That's what separates the good Marth players from the bad ones.
>>315728648
look if you're gonna be a flaming faggot why don't you add in brawl + and - too
>>315722431
64 falcon is the most brain dead character it all of smash
>>315722431
>ness
>shitter
literally git gud, ness is his own nerf
>>315729648
>The whole smash 4 roster vertical
>>315729382
Switch 64 with melee and you're good. Also I noticed you accidently put the list backwards, you should probably fix that first.
>>315722431
>getting upset about Wario
>>315722431
64
>No Kirby in U-Tilt pose
>No Pikachu with janky Up-B
Melee
>k
PM
>No Cuntdestroy (AKA: Lucas)
WiiU
>ZSS and Luma
>>315719676
THIS
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I
S
>>315730281
Most PM Warios just GO so he's not really wrong.
I swear, you PMfags are fucking cancer with your bias bullshit
>>315730281
>GO
>GO
>GO
>>315729648
kek'd
>Project Missfire already flew off into total irrelevancy oblivion
fuggetaboutit
>>315730613
It's bigger than ever in terms of players senpai
>>315719676
>>315719676
No man Melee is really better than PM.
>>315722431
Fuck off Ganondorf is cool, especially in melee
>>315719676
>project M over anything
I need a Melee anon's help. I have a Benq 1ms monitor and I want to hook up my gamecube to it. Is there a composite to hdmi adapter that won't blow the response time/delay way up? I don't really want to go buy a CRT.
>>315730979
I'm in the same boat. I've been looking for a CRT forever and it seems like I started looking right after everyone in my family threw theirs away
>>315730979
Just google that shit dude.
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/26got5/quick_followup_to_miom_lag_article/
>>315730979
I bought a CRT for $15 not too long ago, that would probably cost less than an adapter.
>>315730979
As far as I know you need a CRT. Sorry, anon. You could maybe get a really small cheap one you could use to transport easily, too.
>>315731181
>MH
>>315731181
>64
kek
Why do Meleefags hate PM fags
>Not being part of the glorious PM and Melee master race
>>315731115
This kind of lead me to the same issue. Does the Wii2HDMI converter work on a gamecube? I thought they had different output signals.
>>315725827
Ganon is the Dan of smash.
>playing a character with a permanent real life option select
Pleb tier.
>>315730979
Just emulate and use VGA or DisplayPort.
>inb4 emulation isn't the real thing
It's PRETTY fucking close. And it looks better too. And you can have neato hacks which makes things a little more convenient such as not having to unlock anything and going straight to character select.
>>315731343
Playing both is a waste of time.
>>315719676
>Smash 4 > Smash 64
>>315731581
where is his nose
>>315731343
As a meleefag, I don't hate PM at all. I actually really enjoy it.
At the same time though, there's something about melee that's just...idk
It's fucking perfect.
PM has way more content, way more characters. In all respects it should be better. But people keep coming back to melee for some reason. Even though they're literally supposed to be almost 1-1 clones.
>>315731529
I don't know if my toaster could handle running it. It's a piece of shit laptop that can handle playing league of Legends on occasion or various indie games.
>>315731669
People go back to Melee because Twitch hates PM and Nintendo would never sponsor it
>>315731356
Just buy a wii with a broken disc drive and homebrew it. They're super cheap and 20xx has a lot of really cool training stuff.
>>315731804
Nope. What you said is literally straight up wrong.
>>315730931
>implying anything can be worse than Brawl and tr4sh
>>315731804
It saddens me that this happened tot he game honestly.
But I'm literally just talking about PM itself. I don't give a fuck about what nintendo thinks, I just like melee a little better.
Both are excellent games and I have nothing but respect for the PM dev team for what they accomplished.
...I've thought about it and I honestly kinda just think it's how everyone in PM kinda has auto combos desu.
You don't need to git gud, to be good in PM..
Things are just sorta, handed to you a little bit more
>>315731806
So it doesn't run off of a gamecube then?
Does any other anon know of a decent composite to HDMi converter?
>>315729382
>>315729382
Switch PM and Melee and this is the true list.
>>315730057
Fucking this. Although honestly I'd put brawl at the bottom of the list. That game is shit and will forever be shit.
It's a ghost for a reason.
People play every single smash to this day except for Brawl. Even 64 has more entrants now.
I think the main reason I dislike project meme is because wavedashes feel fucking sloppy compared to melee, even frame ferect wavedashes feel weird in pm, a frame perfect wd in melee feels so fucking smooth, that's mainly why pm will never > melee
Project M>Melee>64>Sm4sh>Brawl
Project M is Melee with better stages, better and more characters, better balancing, better graphics and you can customize it, so, you can have Sm4sh stages, Sm4sh character models, random video game characters' models over already existing characters, Ridley and soon even K.Rool.
Melee is fast-paced, Samus and Ganondorf don't suck, gap between scrub and good player is larger and noobs can't afford just spamming shit and running around like in future games.
64 is also fast-paced and yet simple, its 2nd most balanced and those fucking hit sounds.
Sm4sh is too simplified, balancing is shit, single-player stuff is shit, characters like Pac Man and Sonic are too fucking annoying and still easy to beat so you just get annoyed, Samus is shit, stages are filled with hazards and then there is shit like Palutena's Temple and Orbital Gate.
Brawl has tripping and its too defensive.
>>315732657
Pretty much this
>>315732510
It's the physics mang.
The engine does everything in its power to ruin your day.
Brawl needs to just die. Every single iota of code programmed into that game was garbage. It's the anti-melee of smash, taken to an extreme.
>>315732657
>64
>those fucking hit sounds
I miss those so much.
Those and the skeletons when characters got shocked.
And the animated character models on the character selection screen.
And board the platforms.
>>315732657
You mean PM is Melee with more duplicate stages, subjectively flatter balancing, better graphics, and customizing capabilities. Those guys did a great job, but they simplified the game in tons of ways. It is just as fun as melee, but melee has more variety. Sm4sh does have some balancing issues, but if you think 64 is more balanced than Sm4sh then you are freaking retarded. You bitch about variety and how much little shit bugs you, when you have multiple stages that are flat with no hazards.... Yes, Brawl tried too hard to casual everything. We all know that.
>>315732012
List 20 autocombos that aren't present in Melee then.
>>315732913
Oh, forgot about the skeletons. If only they wouldn't remove them...Then again, that would probably not work well in game like Sm4sh.
>>315733168
yeah, what would they do with ROB or GnW's skeletons
>>315733581
Something unique like Kirby/Jigglypuff or Samus in Smash 64.
>>315731181
fucking perfect
>>315732510
>I think the main reason I dislike project meme is because wavedashes feel fucking sloppy compared to melee
I find this is so exaggerated. Given, I haven't played Melee since the early 2000's and I've been playing PM since 2.5 consistently. I had a melee session with friends the other day and I was able to wavedash with a near 1:1 accuracy and I learned how to wavedash in PM in the first place.
I am 99% sure this complaint is pure nitpicking.
>>315732980
PM's balancing is objectively better than Melee's. Gap between worst and best character isn't as large here as in Melee. And the only thing they really simplified is imput window for ATs, but thats not much. Also, what duplicate stages?
There are more viable characters in 64 than in 4 (im counting by % of course).
I said nothing about varierity. And while many of PM's stages are some variation of Battlefield, its better than a stage where giant duck comes every minute and fucks everything up, stage where you can't tell where you can stand and where you can't, stage so giant that killing anyone is hard, stage that literally was made in MS Paint, stage with giant yellow shit taking up half of it for a while, stage where you can get KOed just by touching part of it that isn't even a blast zone and so on. There are fun stages, there are stages that let you fight your opponent properly without anything interrupting it and then there are Sm4sh stages.
>>315722997
This. I main Lucas and ness because I love mother 3 and earthbound. I dont feel guilty for using ness at all.
>>315727014
Mario is better than meta knight, luigi, and fox.
>Ness is fun as hell in PM and 64
>bottom of the barrel in Melee
>try hard tier in Sm4sh with the added benefit of not being fun to play
Woah, i believe there are a bigger concentration of Project meme babies here than at their last tournament.
Way to go. /v/
>>315734362
>There are more viable characters in 64 than in 4 (im counting by % of course).
So a game with two characters where one is complete shit and the other is great would have decent balance?
>>315734546
>try hard tier in Sm4sh with the added benefit of not being fun to play
How did they manage this? I don't understand.
He's not even that much different from what I can tell but he's not nearly as fun anymore. What the fuck happened?
One thing I do remember is you can't charge your yoyo anymore. Fuck that.
>>315734689
No, it would be shit because 50% of the cast is shit.
>>315735123
but it would have significantly better balance than Brawl.
>>315734546
>Samus is fun and good in Melee and PM
>shit in Brawl
>abso-fucking-lutely disgusting in 4 and not fun either
>>315733967
>link's sword and shield are bones
>>315735190
Thats not hard to do. You can have 1 viable character out of 1000 and you'll still have better balancing than Brawl with its Meta Knight and ICs.
>>315735385
>not making your sword and shield out of the bones of people that dared to oppose you
how do you even live with yourself?
>>315735385
This is canon. Have you never played a LoZ game?
>>315735385
>Samus' skeleton is a single bone shaped like a woman
>>315731181
What the fuck PM's image even means? And what he fuck last image has to do with 0-Death: The Game?
>>315735385
Well, the master sword IS Fi technically. I got nothing on the shield.
>>315735606
Makes since because she is part bird and birds don't have skeletons.
>>315735639
Its made of some whachamacallit's shell. Here. Asspull, but whatever.
>>315735728
...then what the hell are those things that are left after you eat a chicken?
>>315735773
What the fuck does a chicken have to do with birds?
>>315735773
Chickens aren't birds, cluck kek.
>>315735728
>birds don't have skeletons
>>315735814
>>315735870
Chicken is a bird. And i ate a pigeon at some point too and they have same solid things under all of that meat too. And im sure they are birds.
Brawl>Project M>4>Melee>64But I'm in the minority even when around non-MeleefagsBrawl Fox is best Fox
>>315736073
Brawl isn't as shit as it's led to be.
It literally has more techs than Smash 4.
If you take away tripping and MetaKnight being a bit too OP, then you have a really solid game better than Smash 4
>>315735728
>and birds don't have skeletons.
>>315736073
Wow. This is the most wrong opinion someone can have.
>>315736167
Thats like saying shit i took yesterday is better than what i had today. And tripping, floatiness and horrible balancing is exactly why its shit.
>>315736073
I can agree with the Fox part to a certain degree. I like Brawl Falco's moveset the most myself.
>>315736167
>>315736073
Wrong.
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
>>315736298I like the floatiness. It prevents players from winning simply because they have faster reflexes. It also makes it easier to see what players are doing before they do them.
>>315736405
kill you'reself
64 > powergap > the rest
Not even kidding.
Everything else is really a cheap knockoff.
Melee is a lazy piece of garbage full of literal clones with the same animations, but for Meleefags it's okay because they have "different properties." Everything about it just screams rushed development.
I don't even have to go into why Brawl is garbage
And Sm4sh is weighed down by the 3DS version as well as being a dodge roll defensive play fest.
No other Smash game will ever be as genuinely good and full of soul as 64.
>>315736405>it prevents good players from winning because they are better
Wow. What next? Sm4sh Samus is the best? Brawl Ganondorf is the best Ganondorf? Great Cave Offensive is the best stage? PM Mewtwo is worst Mewtwo? Brawl is the most balanced Smash game? Stages where you fight against the stage and not other characters are a good idea? Sm4sh Ducky Ducky is the best Ridley and 100% accurate?
>>315736661
>faster reflexes = better
It just changed how the game was played and what it was that determined if someone would win. Speed and reflexes were no longer the deciding factor in a fight.
>>315736565
>literal clones with the same animations
>Captain Falcon has animation where he spins and uncurls, animation where he lifts his leg and brings it down after ten years, animation where he laughs, animation where he swings his sword and plants it into the ground
>Mario has animation where he kicks dust with his foot, animation where he charges up and flies forward like a fucking missle, animation where he karate chops
Dude, literal clones with same animations is 4's thing.
>>315736821
...wat? Faster reflexes IS better. If i can react to opponent attacking or rolling while someone else can't notice Ganondorf using his UTilt, it means im better.
>>315736821
Dude, just stop. You're not making yourself look better like this.Unless you are trolling of course. Then keep doing this.
>>315736981
>Captain Falcon has animation where he spins and uncurls,
Taunt.
>animation where he lifts his leg and brings it down after ten years
One move.
>animation where he laughs
Taunt
>animation where he swings his sword and plants it into the ground
Who are you even talking about here
>Mario has animation where he kicks dust with his foot,
Taunt.
>animation where he charges up and flies forward like a fucking missle, animation where he karate chops
Two moves.
I love how you purposefully omitted Falco, Young Link, Roy, Pichu, and Dr. Mario. Because. If I'm remembering correctly, most of their animations are copy pasted right from others.
I can't believe you really think Taunts count.
>>315719676
Melee = Project M > Brawl = 64
Haven't played 4 enough to rate.I play these games for fun with items on most of the time. I don't take it serious. Game & Watch is the best.
brawl needs more credit.
that game is amazing anyone who says otherwise is delusional. its fun as fuck 1v1 and 2v2 way more fun than smash 4 (nowhere near as fun as melee though)
>>315737582
>tripping
>0 gravity
>horrible balancing with one absurdly broken character and several outright unusable characters
Sure, they are delusional.
>>315737582
>http://pastebin.com/pJt3J0Wu
It gets all the hate it deserves.
Also that's a shitty way to store your games. What if I wanted to play a game from the bottom? The whole thing will come crashing down
>>315737582
Brawl needs less credit.
It made probably the best additions to the roster of any of the Smash games, with no clones aside from Snake, but the gameplay is just so slow and mediocre and turtley, and there's indefensible shit like tripping and Meta Knight being objectively better than every other character by a wide margin.
I would also say it's worse for casual party play than Melee since the max item rate is significantly lower than it was in Melee, and there are strict, very low limits on stuff like how many Pokemon can be in play at once.
64 always goes last.
Project M is a glorified meme that should never have gotten as popular as it did.
Smash 4 > Melee = Brawl
>>315719676
You know the way you typed that you said all those games are less than Brawl right?
Other than that I agree with your rankings
>>315737582
>the only game in the series that has lasting singleplayer appeal
As a forever alonefag I love Brawl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVM5xSeTWrg
>this cutscene
>space battleground playing in the background
>the FUCKING tea
>>315738056
SSE sucks. The cutscenes were fun, but the gameplay was complete shit, and I will never get over fighting generic enemies in generic environments instead of fighting enemies from Nintendo games in Nintendo environments.
PM falcon makes me sweat cum
>>315738009
>Melee=Brawl
>>315737582
>brawl needs more credit
>that game is amazing anyone who says otherwise is delusional
>its fun as fuck
>>315736565
>64 > powergap > the rest
>>315736073
>Brawl>Project M
>Brawl>Melee
>Brawl>64
>>315738205
What's wrong with generic enemies? I mean it gives the game its own identity instead of just being a hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies. They actually made something new, complete with a hard final boss.
>>315719676
Smash 4 isn't better than 64 or Brawl, though. It's the worst one so far.
Project M is Brawl, no need to give it its own space.
>>315738440
A hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies is exactly what we should have gotten. The game is "NINTENDO ALL-STARS", not "nintendo fights my OC"
>>315738440
>I mean it gives the game its own identity instead of just being a hodgepodge of pre-existing Nintendo enemies.
That's all well and good, but you're still using Nintendo characters, picking up Nintendo items, seeing vehicles and shit from Nintendo games in cutscenes, fighting Nintendo bosses like Ridley and Pokey and Rayquaza, running from Nintendo enemies like that Pokey statue, and fighting some Mario enemies like Goombas and Koopas and Bullet Bills, but strangely nothing else.
It manages to be a half-assed sort of kind of hodgepodge, instead of being totally original or being a love letter to Nintendo properties like a Nintendo crossover fighter should be.
No one wins basically, not even you.
>>315738440
Generic enemies in NINTENDO ALL-STARS game and they didn't even look good. Why add random mooks instead of something like Space Pirates, Kremlings, Waddle Dees, Shy Guys, ReDeads, Slicers/those fucking praying mantis robots, etc? And why all of this shit happens in completly random and generic enviroments instead of Bowser's Castle, random piece of Zebes for whatever reasons, Green Hill Zone, Hyrule Castle, etc.?
>>315738929
>>315738994
I guess that's true. They very well could have made the enemies look better and be more interesting, and go all the way original or all the way Nintendo, but instead it was neither with kind of boring enemies. So I suppose I can agree with that, as much as I like SSE. It certainly could've been done better.
>>315737829
if i pull a game out from the bottom as long as i move the two next to it slightly to take its place nothing comes "crashing down". i can straight up pull games out from any row and nothing moves
>>315738520
>Project M is Brawl
WHAT?! It has no tripping, it has normal gravity, it has good balancing, it has Roy and Mewtwo (and 5 more characters soon or later), it has Melee's ATs, it has its own stages, some characters are nothing like in Brawl and so on. If i put ham and several other things on bread, it becomes a sandwich. Same applies here.
>>315738056
>smash bros will never be this cool again
why even live
all nintendo games are on purpose super kawaii barney tier shit now
>>315739240
Modded Brawl is great, I agree.
>>315719676
Sm4sh = PM> Melee> Brawl = 64
Only true list
>>315739371
Sm4sh looks better than Brawl, though. Observing change is cool, but you shouldn't pretend one side is objectively better than the other.
Melee>PM=64>Sm4sh=Brawl(with MK/ICies banned and no trips)>Brawl(vanilla)
>>315739527
64 is better than Sm4sh and Brawl..
>>315739661
64 is a fun prototype but doesn't have the depth or features S4 and Brawl have
>>315738929
Also, a lot of the "original content" is functionally equivalent to stuff in properties represented by characters in the game in the first place, so it ends up feeling like a cheap knock-off, like those DKC/Kirby launcher barrel things, or those birds that try to dive bomb you when you go under them which could have been those mosquito robots from Sonic CD instead, or those invincible not-Gordo electric spike balls things.
>>315739371
You were called a fool for NOT calling Nintendo games kiddy since SNES days. Nothing changed. And are you fucking serious about Kirby? A franchise known for being so sweet that you get diabetes from looking at it? But if there is something everyone can agree with, its the Metroid Prime Federation Force shit.
>>315739826
Brawl has tripping, shit balancing and 0 gravity. 64 is automatically better than that shit.
People saying brawl is a better competitive game than 4 are delusion. Yes brawl has more tech and depth, but that doesn't mean a goddamn thing when they don't actually improve the game. The vast majority of the matchups in brawl are straight up tedious. None of the top tiers are fun to fight except marth and most aren't even fun to play. Not to mention how shit it was for spectators. 4 is a disappointment, but let's not get crazy here
>>315727408
Wait, did scarflard lose against a Kirby player?
>>315739826
>classic mode that isn't gimmicky shit
>board the platforms
>race to the finish
>break the targets
If Sm4sh had any of that, it'd be better than 64.
>>315739549
>Donkey Kong improves (thanks Rare)
>Toad receives stylin' yellow trim
>Bowser gets very yellow and his head shrinks
>Yoshi becomes furry-bait
>Daisy is given a tan
>this is promptly removed because it was actually good and she is given a hideous fat face instead
Neat.
>>315729648
>IC's are for shitters
i think someone got wobbled recently
Melee>64>PM
Other games don't matter since Brawl is an mess and 4 is designed to reward bad players.
Smash4 > Melee > Brawl > 64
>He counts a shitty mod as a real game
>>315740414
Speaking of classic mode, I miss Metal Mario in Smash 64 being a unique juggernaut of a character.
Later games just having you fight random characters with a permanent metal box status which barely changed their weight and resistance to being stunned compared to Metal Mario was pretty lame.
And they just behaved like regular characters. Metal Mario would stand there and tank hits, and come at you with harder hitting attacks. Felt like you had to do hit and run shit to be safe. It was cool.
>>315741254
>he counts a shitty real game but not a good mod
>>315723145
I don't see PMfags making a thousand threads just to shit on a character being turned into a costume.
Until that happens, sm4shfags are the worse.
>>315739371
But Kirby is supposed to be bright and cheerful, And I don't think anyone was a fan of Brawl's art style.
>No eerie atmospheres
C'mon now
>>315741186
Why 64 is above PM? There are more characters, more attacks, more stages, better graphics, it can be customized and so on.
>>315740721
>Donkey Kong improves
We're in disagreement there, fellow.
>>315741553
Shiggy's DK art is THE BEST.
As much as I love DKC I would let it all burn just to keep DK'94 aka the perfect game.
>>315741553
Look at that sneaky ape.
What's he up to?
I don't trust that fucker.
Modern Donkey Kong is an ape you can trust.
>>315741658
>Shiggy
You mean Yoichi Kotabe, nig
>>315741714
Look at this dopey fuck. He's not going to steal your girlfriend and run across several continents and dimensions with her, that's absurd.
>Melee is 60fps everywhere except for battles where the framerate cuts in half
Is there a way to fix this in Dolphin?
>>315741962
Huh, I read somewhere that shig faxed some art of that DK to Rare, guess it was Yoichi's then.
>>315723145
>Why are *Ballot fags the absolute worst people in the smash fanbase?
FIFY
>>315723145
>anybody in Smash
>sacred
any love for Brawl Minus?
>>315741520
don't forget Zero-2-Hit mode
>a special mode where character's damage resets after avoiding hits for a certain amount of time.
but seem like PM players and Smashers keeps forgetting about that new mode
>>315742097
He made the base designs, but Yoichi perfected them and drew all the official art.
I've never read anything about faxing Rare, could've been Miyamoto's art.
>>315740051
>>315741519
>>315739549
stop replying to that faggot
he keep posting shitty cherrypicked image of whatever game he hates
>>315742272
I like it way more than PM. Really wish there was a scene for it.
>>315738426
QUACK
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>>315742272
>>315742714
what's the difference?
>>315742743
Where did this image come from?
>>315742443
Its not everyone's thing and kinda pointless if you actually want to perform 0-death combos.
>>315742743
>that image
I'm dying.
>>315742770
Brawl= pisspoor gameplay
Brawl Minus= "When everybody's overpowered, no one is."
Balanced Brawl = better Brawl gameplay, everyone's viable
Project M = best of both worlds, include things you never see in other Smashes including fangames beforehand
>>315742903
lurk more
i'll give ya a hint
>>315742770
Basically, every character is broken as shit and since everyone is OP, the game is balanced.
It's different from PM in that PM was made with competitiveness in mind and Minus was made with crazy fun in mind. It still has regular Brawl mechanics minus tripping and the floatiness.
>>315741553
Wait, is Bowser tickling Toad?
I-is there something going on that we should know about?
>>315731343
to me, i think they prefer modded Melee like 20XXTE and SD Remix over Melee on the Brawl enginecould be the frame limit
>>315743136
Ah. Makes sense. But who made that image and are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
>>315743159
lol
Also, does DK the third have any theme music as badass than this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNsiX0gKMEU
This song is just begging for a metal/orchestral remix in Smash.
>>315743597
>But who made that image and are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
i think it was pic related making fun of Sm4sh's Ridley model due to how unpolished it is
>are there any other images with that duck thing from Pyrosphere?
i wish
>>315741520
64 has better balance, and doesn't just feel like an worse Melee
>>315743793
>Bagan
that kid is nuts
that Ridley mod is amazing, just need more balancing and better animations to be viable enough to be part of PM's roster. and the throwback redesign rocks, though i want Brawl ridley instead.
i even hear he's doing a mod ofMini-KraidandMetal Facealong with K. Rool afterwards.
>>315743793
Oh. That guy again. Makes sense considering how much he likes Ridley and how fucked up Ducky Ducky is in so many ways.
>>315742770
it's Brawl but in DBZ levels of balancing and gameplay
K.Rool is certainly "hype", but...Metal Face? And fucking Kraid, who unlike Ridley has being big as his main thing?! I need whatever shit he is smoking. You can't think of that without being high as fuck
>>315745145
i'm very sure he's doing Kraid and Metal Face for fun reasons, nothing serious. (he really loves Metal Face)
Ridley was for that, show and tell, and for people who really just want to play as Ridley in a Smash game.
>>315745348
Huh. Weird. Wonder how many downloads those 2 will get. Ridley got over 10000 downloads after a year, but those don't have same kind of popularity.
>>315745145
Wait, who's making this?
>>315745494
probably more than the Velociraptor mod
6000-7250 for Kraid maybe.
>>315745730
Bagan. I meant to reply to >>315744569
I'M DONE FUCKING AROUND
WHERE IS LYN AND KNUCKLES
>>315745856
Oh that guy? I lost interest when he switched to using the Other M design.
He should have modified the Super design to look more like this.
He did that because model that had Super design was literally too big. Animations with it, even when they weren't really complicated, were big in size and Brawl has its limits. Other M model had less bones and he more-or-less fixed main flaws of that design. And he also said he will make classic Ridley at some point and there was screenshot of it somewhere.
>>315746082
>He should have modified the Super design to look more like this.
easier said than done. That "guy" was like 14 years old. Amazing he managed to do what he did in the first place.
>>315726581
I gave you shit yesterday for being a /mu/fag and /tv/fag and having loadsa tabs.
Today I noticed you're using firefox and skype.
You've personally hurt me with your shit taste anon.
>>315745730
BaganSmashBros and few certain modders in Smashboards/KC-MM
also a modeler is doing a new model for Kraid and possibly Ridley for the "original Ridley" PM mod Bagan previously cancelled once.
>>315729648
It's a good thing I main Lucas in smash 4.
>>315731181
>Melee hell
Kill yourself and go back to memeing on Facebook
There's too much talk about Bagan's shit here. What the fuck?
>>315731669
>It's fucking perfect
No it's not. No competitive game is perfect. Go study some other high level games. They are all flawed.
>>315746398
>Animations with it, even when they weren't really complicated, were big in size and Brawl has its limits. Other M model had less bones and he more-or-less fixed main flaws of that design.
that and he's later cancelled the mod, then revived it by putting PM Other M Ridley's wings on him, then decide to keep the old wings and not to put too many animations movements on it.
if the guy who's modeling Kraid for the upcoming mod does Ridley next (or at least fix the Brawl model) the mod could be finally be put to work and be finished for once.
>>315746706
is it morning already?
>>315719676
>Project M is better than melee
this is what PM-fags actually believe
>>315725970
>Mario isn't top 10
Name 9 characters who are definitely better than him
Ness isn't top tier? Have you never heard about NAKAT?
>>315747121
Forgot about that.
Yeah, that would be great. And considering that that guy's model wouldn't be limited by anything other than his imagination and Ridley's usual design, it would be even better.
here's the Kraid model btw
>>315749197
>those fucking legs
How can they support his fat body?
>>315749348
probably like this
note: this is the golden statue model he did
Melee > PM > Smash 4 > Brawl > 64
and here's his model skeleton
>>315749506
Thats him just standing though. What will happen when he will run or jump?
ATTENTION NEW PLAYERS: DO NOT FALL FOR THE PM > MELEE MEME.
It is a waste of goddamn time and will literally waste your potential. Melee strengthens your neutral and tech skill at much faster rate than PM, and will overall make you a better player. PM SKILL DOES NOT TRANSFER TO MELEE, I REPEAT IT IS NON-TRANSFERABLE.
Also twitch banned pm from ever being streamed again. It will never see large stream numbers or the big stage ever ever again. DON'T FALL FOR IT.
>>315750358
Do we always need THIS guy coming in in every thread?
>>315749842
honestly that's what i'm hoping to see when they are done rigging Kraid
i can see Kraid jumping with those bipedal legs in the weight of Bowser, though it's kinda hard to imagine how Kraid's going to run fast other than slowly walking or that in a much faster pace.
>>315750565
Then again, we have Godzilla (who isn't fat, but still a lot bulkier than Kraid) running around in games like Godzilla Save the Earth and doing all sorts of stuff like dropkicks.
>>315750358
SD Remix > Melee
>>315750527
I need to warn the poor souls who would get tricked. They tricked me with project meme and I can't let it happen to anybody else.
>>315751391
Sure, Project Meme v6.9 is the true evil. Soon the The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse disguised as smash gods will arrive and bring the judgement day (also known as 20XX) to Sm4sh, PM, Melee and 64 and all of this shit. Brawl will be immune to it thanks to Meta Knight. The crysis will be averted thanks to best Brawl players using Meta Knight to beat all of those PM characters brought to TAS levels and Melee, Sm4sh and 64 characters infected with the virus that also brings them to TAS levels. Then Sakurai will personally meet those heroes and suddenly, Iwata will rise from his grave and restore the world. And then, everyone will understand...
>>315750358
Kirby Fighters DX is still way more better than Melee, PM, and 64
>>315750565
>>315750973
>>315749842
Bagan suggested that Kraid's moveset and gameplay being based on Godzilla in notable godzilla/kaiju combat fighting games could get the job done.
http://smashboards.com/threads/unofficial-project-m-ridley-version-2-1-released-dl-link-and-instal-tutorial-in-op.368694/page-128#post-20217940
>>315719676
>Shit < Brawl
I like you.
>>315753440
That certainly would work. Not sure what he would do with specials though.
>>315736073You're not alone.
This man enters your room.
What do you do /v/?
>>315738047
No it doesn't, it just means Brawl is better than shit.
>>315719676
Smash4>Memelee>64>shit>Brawl>project Meme
Any other opinions are objectively wrong.
>>315755902
>Smash 4 > Melee
>>315755902
/v/ maded opinions aren't worth listening to anyways
this is the same place that believes in any kind of smash leak right?
>>315719676
Competitive wise:
Melee > Smash 4 = 64 > Brawl
Every aspects other than competitive (Contents, roster, online, etc.)
Smash 4 > Brawl > Melee > 64
I play Smash 4 and watch Melee
>>315741420
Meleefags are a lot worser than any Smash fanbases.
>>315732657
Project M isn't melee with better stages, it's Brawl with faster gameplay.
The Sm4sh balance is about as good as Melee, I don't see any major differences with how well top tiers and low tiers does. There wasn't any good single players in any Smash games except Brawl if you like Subspace.
Also Palutena temple is a good stage for 8 player smash.
>My favorite character is bad so it's a flaw to that certain Smash game
>characters like Sonic are too fucking annoying and still easy to beat so you just get annoyed
So why did ZeRo lose to a Sonic then?
>>315730057
>Brawl better than Project M
:^)
>>315738520
>[X] is better/worse because I said so
>>315756069
Other than competitive, yes it is
>>315755902
>64 > shit
>Brawl>project M
>>315756226
>watch Melee
i want the steam monster to leave
>it's Brawl with faster gameplay.
wrong mod
>>315755902
>Brawl>project Meme
>game with tripping
>better than something without tripping
sure thing, bruh
morning Tr4sh kiddies woke up, time to leave.
that includes you people talking about Bagan's stuff
>>315756226
Quality content+roster
Melee > 64 > Tr4sh (base roster) > Brawl > shit > Brawl (roster quality) > Tr4sh (everything else)
Quantity content+roster
Brawl > Tr4sh > Melee > 64
>>315756580
>>315756901
>Everyone look at me and give me attention
>>315756226
>Meleefags are a lot worser than any Smash fanbases.
Melee fanboys are still under Roster fanboys, especially during the whole Ballot shit.
>I play Smash 4 and watch Melee
>watch
opinion discarded, fuck stream kiddies
>>315731343
Most melee tournyfags dislike the feel of the brawl engine and the fact that alot of melee tech is dumbed down in PM.
On top of that almost all characters from brawl are annoying as fuck to play against.
Personally I just can't enjoy myself with PM because tech is just so easy to do that it just gets boring as hell.
Source: I am a melee tournyfag / technical fox player.
>>315756580
While i want those guys to leave along with tr4shfags, they are more related to PM than tr4sh because Bagan's shit is made for PM.
>>315757002
your opinion is shit
>>315719676
Swap 64 with Smash 4 at least
Brawl might be better than 4 too. Sakurai was at least trying back then
>>315757520
64 has like no contents compared to Smash 4
>>315757089
Go to bed Zeke
Competitive: Melee=Project M(I like the variety)>Sm4sh>64>Brawl
I actually play sm4sh myself though, because I'm a casual in regards to tech. My wii u is broken right now though, so I've been playing PM with friends to fill the gap
>>315757221
but that kettle is brown
>>315757598
Who cares it's actually fun. I don't care how much content Smash 4 has when I can't enjoy it. In particular the stage design is really fucking bad and Omega mode is one of the worst ideas Sakurai has ever had.
>>315757719
>I don't find it fun so everyone else doesn't and are not allowed to find it fun
Jesus christ.
Smash(with items): Sm4sh>64>Brawl>Melee=PM
Smash(no items 1v1): PM=Melee>64>Sm4sh=Brawl
>watching any Smashes without even playing it
Reddit's laughing upon you, /v/.
>>315757598
still more quality and fun than Sm4sh's ;^)
>>315757624
64 is more competetive than Sm4sh. Have you ever seen all of that 0-death combo shit? It also has more tech (including something similar to L-cancelling...was it called Z-cancelling?).
>>315757781
>>I don't find it fun so everyone else doesn't and are not allowed to find it fun
Where the fuck did I say that?
But while we're on the subject, yes. I cannot comprehend how anyone but a hardcore competitive Sm4sh player can find this shit fun a year later
>>315757793
sm4sh item gameplay is crap and not casual friendly, at least Melee has Pokeball battles
Brawl=Melee > 64 > Sm4sh
>>315757913
>including something similar to L-cancelling...was it called Z-cancelling?
It's the exact same thing with a different button.
>>315757674
>etika is not black
>>315757609
Not zeke sorry
>like Melee's physics and general match pacing the best
>all the characters i like are complete dogshit
>like many of Smash 4's new characters such as greninja/shulk/mega man/buffed-semi-reworked bowser
>speed and match pacing lacking
you dont know my pain
smash 4 mods when
>defending Brawl at all
mods are extremely better than vanilla Brawl
get with times already
>>315757902
Outside of nostalgia I don't think so
>>315757979
But Sm4sh does have Pokeballs too retard, it even has Master ball. The only "Unfun" items I can think off is the Smoke ball and OP assists.
>>315757929
You said that Smash 64 is fun while Sm4sh is unfun because you said so.
>>315758054
A retard is what he is
>mfw he saw some video of TAS ridley in PM JV5 some CPU samus and thought it was evidence that he was OP.
He's OP but you can't use TAS as proof of balance.
>>315732657
>sm4sh is too unbalanced
Smash 4 = Smash 64 > Melee > shit >>> Brawl
>>315723046
Because he's a ~respectable~ main. Whatever the fuck that means.
People just like to pat themselves on the back for maining a low/mid (depending on the game) tier.
>>315758309
This.
Rosalina and Shulk were two of my most wanted character
I can't use Rosalina because everyone hates me for it due to how defensive her playstyle is in an already campy game and Shulk is too slow to be fun
Fucking Hackurai, why couldn't he simply accept that people were having fun in ways that didn't match his shitty vision
>>315758345
Brawl at least has some fun game modes
SSE >>>>>>>>>>> Tr4sh Tour
>>315758394
>being nostalgic for Mario Party 1 and SSE
>>315758394
>You said that Smash 64 is fun while Sm4sh is unfun because you said so.
Yes, it's my opinion.
Smash 64 is all about trying to pull off ridiculous combos. Sm4sh is all about grab fishing
>>315758613
Don't be biased, combos exist in every Smash games.
>>315758524
>Mario Party 1
What the fuck is this meme?
>smash 4
>many of the fast characters have quick grabs, both start and recovery, with moderate range and enormous rewards for landing said grab even though fishing for them is remarkably easy
>many heavies who struggle to land the grab have laggier grabs with comparable range and damage but with even less, or often no follow ups
Why?
>>315758825
>Don't be biased, combos exist in every Smash games.
But in different ways. Don't compare the absurd stuff you could do with 64's hitstun to HOOHAA shit.
>>315758394
>Sm4sh
>Pokeball battles
mmhmm, in case you don't understand what i meant
http://www.ssbwiki.com/Pok%C3%A9_Ball
>In the first Super Smash Bros., up to 4 Poké Balls can be on-screen at the same time; this number was increased to 12 in Melee. In Brawl and Smash U, however, it was reduced to 3, and again to only 1 in Smash 3DS.
Sm4sh is fucking limited to do Melee's god-tier Pokeball fights
Oh, look! Hiro made a board for smash 4.
>>>/trash/
>>315758409
And its safe to say if he would watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQwEA9wDZ1Y, he would still say Ridley is overpowered. He really wants to please daddy Sakurai after all.
>>315758825
Smash Tour plays like MP1, the worst Mario party game
>all depends on luck
fuck that noise
>>315736981
>4 has 2 clones
>m-melee isn't a clone fest t-trash is!!
God I hate the Melee community
>>315758919
Just because it's less doesn't mean you can't do Pokeball battles retard. I've done a couple of Pokeball battles and 3 is an acceptable max limit and it has Master balls.
>>315759050
And they say Melee doesn't have the worst fanbase
>>315759346
I don't even like Smash Tour a lot
I play Smash Run
howe cool r u
>>315759449
>pokeball battle with a mere 3 pokeballs
>compared to melee's 12
How fucking pathetic. And masterballs are fucking garbage too. They miss the entire point of the pokeball battle.
>he plays on 3ds
Holy shit, so this is the kind of retard in this thread?
>>315739549
>wario hasn't changed at all
>not even proportionately
STILL DA BES
>>315759050
>>315759469
>Dong meme in S
>Link above Toon Link
>Hating Miss Rosalina and Lady Palutena
>>315759442
i bet you think Wolf isn't a clone either, retard
>>315742097
>>315742452
The fax thing was only revealed a couple months ago by Gregg Mayles, Miyamoto was the one to suggest DK wear a tie.
>>315759469
If you play smash 4 you are shit by default.
>>315759823
This
>>315754459
I mastAbate
>>315722209
>>315722417
>some people are such contrarians they'll pretend 64 held up
>>315759653
Is it even easy to get 12 Pokemon at the same time outside of training mode and shit? 3 Pokeball again is an acceptable unless you're playing on huge stages and if you don't like Masterball you can just fucking turn it off. Having like 6 Pokemon that aren't Goldeen-tier would be too chaotic, but if you want chaos just pick Masterball and turn off Pokeball in favor of Masterball if you want.
I have both the Wii U and 3ds version fucking retard.
>>315759823
>>315759835
>Stop liking what I don't like
>>315760162
Few people who actually rate 64 super high actually play it regularly, let alone have played it in the last 14 years.
>>315760162
It doesn't have to hold up to be better than Brawl and 4.
>>315760297
If you didn't start the series at 64 you should be barred from posting in Smash threads
>>315760298
But it isn't better then either of those
>>315760407
The gameplay is and that's what's important
>>315760381
Oh fuck you're right, most people here are even Doc kiddies.
They probably haven't even played 64 at all.
>>315759449
>Just because it's less doesn't mean you can't do Pokeball battles retard.
it does, Melee even had events dedicated to crazy pokeballs battles.
Sm4sh was the perfect game to unleash giant pokeball battles thanks to 8 player and giant stages but Sakurai went hack mode and limit it to 3 again
and how the fuck you can do pokeball battles on 3DS if the count is set to only one? fucking retard
>>315760227
Pokeball battles in 4 are gimped to shit and back, they cant even come close to the scope of melee.
Even fucking items are worse in smash 4 when compared to melee.
Who is surprised? Literally nobody.
>>315760450
Have you played it recently? It's just as portly balanced as brawl. It's possibly even worse.
>>315760227
>I have never played a proper pokebattle
You need a lot of pokeballs in order for your opponent (if he actually knows movement) to get fucked by your pokemon. Otherwise he can just move around them.
How do you even play pokeball battles in 4 with just 3 fucking pokeballs for 2 players? Do you stand still like an autist?
>>315760824
64 is the best balanced game in the series if you ignore P:M. Every character can do crazy 0-to-death shit so nobody is rendered useless like half the cast in Brawl
I main Mario and regularly do fine against Kirby, Fox, and Pikachu
>>315760824
Pikachu is kind of ridiculous. Only thing that keeps him in check is that the game itself has broken as fuck hitstun and zero defensive options.
>>315737829
>with the loss of the ability to SDI grabs
But the only SDIable grab in Melee is Jiggs's F-Throw. Fix that shit.
>>315745971
Seriously this. Waiting is getting stale.At least they showed us the actually good Roy alt the other day.
>>315761149
The best thing about the PMDT is their willingness to scrap bad ideas in response to criticism unlike le free desert man
>>315761230
I want to agree, but that's not true. The creator of Retro Pit has stated that he does not like that costume and wishes he never did it, however, the team has no plans on removing/replacing it.
>>315760619
>It does
Wow great comeback, sure showed me on that one
>Sm4sh was the perfect game to unleash giant pokeball battles thanks to 8 player and giant stages but Sakurai went hack mode and limit it to 3 again
Use Masterballs if you want more chaos on 8 player Smash.
>>315760628
I did Pokeball battles and it was far from being boring.
>Items are worst than Melee because I said so
>>315760923
>Do you stand still like an autist?
No, you fight while trying to get the most Pokeball you can for the advantage.
There is also some Pokemon that literally follow your opponents such as Keldeo, Kyogre, Zoroark.
If you fucks are seriously gonna say that you're not allowed to directly attack your opponent, then why you keep complaining about the game being "Le too casual garbage"?
>>315761420
>I want to agree, but that's not true. The creator of Retro Pit has stated that he does not like that costume and wishes he never did it, however, the team has no plans on removing/replacing it.
That's just one guy. I was talking about the community as a whole. Everyone hated the 3.5 announcer so he was gone for 3.6
>>315761420
>he creator of Retro Pit has stated that he does not like that costume and wishes he never did it
As he should because its awful
>>315760619
Also I never mentioned pokeball battles, fucking retard
>>>/trash/2396
take it to here kids
>>315761531
Threadly reminder
>>315761230
>>315760824
What the fuck are you even talking about? The main difference between 64 and other Smash games is that 0-death combos are common here. I don't think there are even completly unviable characters here like Brawl's Ganondorf or Sm4sh's Samus. And Pikachu or Kirby are nowhere near Meta Knight. And even if it would be poorly balanced, it still would have better gameplay because its all about offense and not stalling and camping, there is no tripping and it has gravity.
>>315761230
Sack of Rice:
>everyone complains about stage hazards
>>its been a year and there still is no way to turn off stage hazards even though that should be as simple as copying and pasting a code
>everyone complains about Samus being horrible
>>still no real buffs after a year since release
>everyone complains about butchered music
>>still cut to 2 minutes
>everyone complains about no Guile Theme on SF stage
>>still not here
>everyone complains about no custom moves for DLC characters
>>still not here
>everyone complained about Mewtwo being too light in Melee
>>makes him 2nd lightest character in the game and yet still keeps him as glass cannon without the cannon part
Meanwhile, in PM...
>people complain that Mewtwo and Lucas are too good
>>nerfed
>people complain about Ike and Sonic being too good
>>nerfed
>people complain about recoveries
>>nerfed
>people complain about Ganondorf being brought to his Melee state
>>gets updated with fancy darkness gfx, sword taunt attack, float and reflector (now just needs projectiles)
>people complain about all stages being Battlefield clones
>>add alternate stage loader that has all of Brawl stages that matter without anything changed about them
>people complain about 3.6 beta announcer
>>replaced in full 3.6 with somewhat better announcer (Brawl announcer is still better)
I'll never forgive Sakurai for this
>>315761468
>Wow great comeback, sure showed me on that one
you seem butthurt, ma'am
>Use Masterballs if you want more chaos on 8 player Smash.
>only one legendary
it's fucking shit, even Brawl can cause more chaos than that with three pokeballs
>>315761805
>Gonna grow on you guys like cancer
he couldnt have worded that worse.
Also the new announcer is still shit
As of right NOW, s2j is the best player in the world.
>>315762228
>>>replaced in full 3.6 with somewhat better announcer (Brawl announcer is still better)
It's preparation for the new characters. They were able to cheat with pre-existing clips of the Brawl announcer for Roy and Mewtwo, but now they've got Knuckles, Skull Kid, and the rest on the way
>>315762258
what
>>315762228
>are too good
the term is OP
>>315762472
Skull Kid was a bait for the leaker. He wasn't real. But i know why they have new announcer. Everyone knows.
>>315752458
MY
BASKETBALL
AMERICAN
>>315762656
Really, fuck?
Not a huge MM fan, but I thought he'd be fun
>>315762446
He simply found the right way to play falcon.
>>315761598
i did and i brought it up because it's one of things why Melee has better item gameplay than Trash
Brawl's item gameplay was too fun as well.
>>315758514
>SSE >>>>>>>>>>> Tr4sh Tour
I never thought I'd find someone else on the internet that doesn't think SSE is trash
>>315762865
I like having some form of Adventure mode. Smash Tour is just proof of how far gone Sakurai is when he says it's what he always wanted Smash to be like
>>315724756
I suppose you should've thought of that before you dated a smashfag
>/v/
>melee
lol
>>315762865
Tr4sh Tour is just THAT bad. There's bird shit and then there's hot elephant shit.
>>315762739
there's HWL at least.
Smash isn't gonna always be there to give you the fanservice you always wanted.
hope Nintendo expand this with games like Starfox, Kirby, Metroid, KI (inb4 Sm4sh XDD), and, holy shit, Wario
Super Mario Maker is like a dream come true (ignoring PC modifications and slope/daisy costume complaints)
>>315762430
That's an exaggeration. Brawl may have had the best announcer, but this guy is just as average as sm4sh.
>>315756226
>Melee above Project M in competitive
>Smash4 above anything
>Brawl with faster gameplay
>Smash 4 Balance is as good as Melee
>Palutena Temple is good
LOL I MEAN I KNEW /V/ WAS FILLED WITH GAYS BUT COME ON DONT MAKE IT OBVIOUS
>>315763318
Nah.
64 > 4 > Brawl > PM (current) = Melee >>> PM (old)
>>315763347
>/V/
>>315724756
BBC & Dorf main here
you wannuh hang, ffam?
>>315759469
i played smash 4 for about a month and can tell you this is all wrong
>S
Sonic, ZSS, Sheik
>A
Greninja, Rosalina
>B
Roy, Ryu, Mario, Falcon, Marth
>C
Stop playing Tr4sh and pick up Project M you fucking idiots, this game is shit
>>315763431
/V/ has come to.
>>315763415
64 = Brawl > Melee > Sm4sh = PM
>>315763275
>>315762739
was it ever even confirmed that the knuckles/lyn leak was legit?
like was the guy who leaked it a PM dev?
>>315763257
why bother writing for any character below Ganondorf
they are never fucking played
Melee's good but it would be a fucking phenomenal game if half its cast wasn't rancid dogshit, let alone bad
Anyone from europe wanna netplay?
>>315763578
Obviously they never came out and said it, but given how the situation was handled, it's pretty much confirmed.
>>315763548
I can accept this except Melee.
Melee's announcer is buttcheeks.
>>315763257
I main Doc and that's completely inaccurate
>>315762865
Oh no it's still dogshit
But tr4sh tour manages to be thousands of times worse
>>315763626
Tiers only matter in the highest of high level play. The top 10 can make it into the top 32 of ANY tournament. Are you even watching the summit? Do you think armadas roy wouldn't be able to 4 stock you? Of course he would.
>>315763819
>The top 10 can make it into the top 32 of ANY tournament.
The top 10 players can make it in the top 32 with a low tier character*...
>>315763347
>PM competitve
>good
>WAAAAH PLS NERF X NERF PLS
>>315763819
>Tiers only matter in the highest of high level play
That's not completely true, especially not in melee where the tier gap is gigantic.
Bowser, Mewtwo, Ness, Zelda, Roy and Kirby are still disasters even in casual play.
Mario Bros, Pikachu and the like are fine however.
If i play PM for more than a week without playing melee, i get rusty as fuck in melee because eveyrthing is at least 3 times easier to pull off in PM.
Fuck PM.
>>315762228
> its all about offense and not stalling and camping, and it has gravity.
>This meme again
You do know that Most or all of the Top tier characters in Sm4sh are hyper offense, right?
>Hungrybox in EVO 2015
>>315762784
I mean 3ds Pokeball battles
Also, what make melee and Brawl's items better than Sm4sh's exactly? Oh wait, Meleefags don't know what proper reasoning is.
>>315762364
>Pointing out your weak comeback mean I'm butthurt
lol
You can use 3 masterballs, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>315763347
Smash 4 clearly have a better rosters, it has online (b-but netplay), and has cool stuff like Customs and 8 player smash.
And the number of top tier characters in Sm4sh and Melee aren't far from eachother honestly. And where the fuck did I mentioned Melee > PM?
>>315763518
The tier list the other guy posted was about who is the most bro-est player, not what character is the most viable.
>>315764006
It's true. Dj nintendo can beat many people in the top 100 with bowser. Not even counting people outside of the top 100. Hew could 4 stock you with bowser. M2k's pichu could make it in the top 32 in a major.
M2k's zelda took 12 stocks from mango when they played iron man. Hbox's ness is pretty awesome, too.
The tiers only matter in the highest of highest play. It's true.
>>315764048
>If I play one game for too long, it effects the other game.
Well no shit. Do you also get mad then you play Mario Bros 2 USA for so long that you can't beat Mario 1 anymore?
>>315763819
no, even in casual play, melees lower rung characters are exceptionally fucking awful, and no ones denying that melee's top players can win matches with bad characters
>>315763930
>tfw 2.5 and 3.0 was the best PM will ever be
>tfw latest versions are shit and the meta is just trash
I like it better when it was just Brawl characters into Melee gameplay with minor changes.
Plus the stages are just copy and paste shit
I see why most people don't consider that worth a damn now
>>315763578
>was it ever even confirmed that the knuckles/lyn leak was legit?
it is
the PM3.6 trailer very vaguely sneaked in Lyn in the near end of the video
PMDT also retweeted to the official Sonic account teasing Knuckles
i doubt there's a PM compatible PSA with a semi finish Lyn and Knuckles out there.
>>315764253
>Plus the stages are just copy and paste shit
Which is why they now have the alternate stage system
>>315764209
I'm talking about in low/mid level play between players of a similar skill level, not in situations with a gigantic skill gap.
Kirby is so fucking bad that the crushing disappointment of transitioning from 64 kirby to melee kirby was my first memory of the game that sticks with me to this day, 14 years later.
>>315764127
>better roster
but you can mod in anyone from a selection of 500+ characters, including Smash 4 characters that are very close to their smash 4 playstyle
>b-but netplay
And generally it's better than playing with some fuck-all randoms. plus you dont get banned for targeting 1 player.
>customs
you can customize the entire game in project M down to the music and sound effects
>8 player smash
3 player smash is terrible, 4 player smash is a fuck fest, anything beyond 4 is retarded. 8 player smash is for people with ADHD that can't just stick to one person.
>>315764252
>and no ones denying that melee's top players can win matches with bad characters
Which basically confirms what i said.
>>315764294
>the PM3.6 trailer very vaguely sneaked in Lyn in the near end of the video
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>315722431
>PM
>Specifying Hector Ike
Nice
>No Kirby
Fuck you
>>315764348
> not in situations with a gigantic skill gap.
Yeah, like young link beating puff for example, right? It's not possible, i mean, puff is 11 spots above young link!
Jesus, just stop it dude. I am not denying that kirby is a shit character, he is, but ive seen kirby's taking out top 100 players.
>>315764127
>Also, what make melee and Brawl's items better than Sm4sh's exactly?
items are properly balanced, fun, and casual friendly
Sm4sh just takes it off the roof wonder why the item/no items elitism isn't so big back in Brawl and For Glory being thriving as fuck than For Fun.
fuck the daybreaker and the gust jar, also removing most of the other fun items from the last Smashes
>>315725827
Hell I play ganon cause it feels satisfying to jab because of that slap sound(which admittedly doesnt sound as good as it used to since melee), and dat up-smash. If I lose, its cause I was just outplayed by a better player. If I win, it's just because they were taking too many trades with me or being careless. not hard to beat a ganon, good or bad, if youre patient.
>>315764127
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gEOzGX6OFc
>>315763930
You're funny. I like you.
>>315764294
>the PM3.6 trailer very vaguely sneaked in Lyn in the near end of the video
que?
>PMDT also retweeted to the official Sonic account teasing Knuckles
i mean, that definitely could mean something, but the PM devs are also big trolls
was the leaker part of the dev team?
>>315764513
Young Link isn't one of the total garbage characters.
I'm saying trash like Kirby and Bowser.
>but ive seen kirby's taking out top 100 players.
By players of the same skill level?
Tiers matter between players of a similar skill level, not just at the very top tier of play. Yes, you can beat someone with an awful character if you're significantly better than them. If you're around the same level you're gonna have a much harder time
No, Sm4sh is better than all of them because it has the best samples of hazards and stages. Smash is a party game, if you treat it as anything other than a party game you should be marked as too stupid to function in proper society and be executed for the good of all. Play an actual fighter if you want fighters.
i wonder if the popularity of For Glory compared to other modes would make sakurai reconsider his stance on gutting the skill ceiling, assuming he even returns for a 5th installment
>>315764719
spotted the rosterfag apologist
>>315764716
>By players of the same skill level?
Yes.
>>315764719
P:M is superior as a party game as well
>>315764719
Smash 4 has very bad gameplay compared to melee. And PM has a million times better party modes.
>>315764998
I'm skeptical. Gimme some vids. Legit curious.
>>315764743
>i wonder if the popularity of For Glory compared to other modes would make sakurai reconsider his stance on gutting the skill ceiling
No, it'll only reinforce his determination by seeing so many people playing what he deems the wrong way.
>>315765023
Brawl Minus, fucker
PM having that Melee stench scares away the densest smashers out there.
>>315765158
>Melee stench
But everybody liked Melee.
>>315764719
Smash is a shitty party game. Its better as a fighter.
If you want a good party game get mario kart or wii wario ware.
>>315764719
since after APEX 2015, the majority of Sm4sh fans in the community cares about Sm4sh being more competitive viable than Melee nowadays.
this ain't Brawl anymore with it's casual elitism
get with the times, gotta follow that competitive push Uncle Reggie is doing.
>>315764719
i want FGKeks to leave
>>315765083
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56a1UZcdH44
1:40 and after
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk9JUISEKsE
>>315764656
>literally 10 minutes of him running after Ness and missing
>running after someone in smash
holy fuck this is the best tr4sh has to offer? i could beat his fucking ass with pichu :^)
this is what
>>315722431
>tfw played Mario since 64
So I am a shitter for playing him just because he's topkek now? Fuck you and your shitty meme.
>>315764719
competitive Smash > any fighting game
i want Ono and Capcom to make a street fighter spinoff that plays like Smash Bros w/out Hackurai standards and Smash 4 Ryu
that or Nintendo x Capcom (aka Smash 64 x MvC1)
>>315765637
>crimson blur
>most notable thing he's ever done was "THATS MY TV, GUYS"
>>315765637
>crimson blur
>top level play
>m2k learns how to be good with zelda because he's a sheik main
>beats character Mango literally does not touchexcept for Mango's C Falc. what happened there?
>>315765637
>m2k and Mango
I thought you said they only matter at top level play.
Apparently Tires don Exits at all.
>>315764354
>but you can mod in anyone from a selection of 500+ characters, including Smash 4 characters that are very close to their smash 4 playstyle
>you can customize the entire game in project M down to the music and sound effects
I'm talking about official Smash games, not a fucking mod/hack.
>And generally it's better than playing with some fuck-all randoms. plus you dont get banned for targeting 1 player.
And it doesn't count because it's with emulators and shit. I'm talking about the Smash games themself.
>3 player smash is terrible, 4 player smash is a fuck fest, anything beyond 4 is retarded. 8 player smash is for people with ADHD that can't just stick to one person.
What the fuck is wrong with 3 or 4 player smash? It's just like every other Smash game. It's the gameplay it was intended for. It's not bad just because you said so, same with 8 player Smash. 8 Player smash is kind of too chaotic on smaller stages but other than that it's perfect on big stages, it's just purely Smash with 3, 4, 5 or 8 player. God fucking dammit, this board just get more and more retarded and confusing with time.
>>315764575
Items are properly balanced, fun and casual friendly in Smash 4 too. You can just fucking turn off the items you don't like.
Sure because the Fan is a good, fair and fun item. Yeah.
>>315765081
It's not as fast but it's far from being "Very bad" compared to Melee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYe3nXbI67Q
Honestly this is kind of fast by itself, I'd say not too far away from Melee honestly.
>>315764656
This is cool as fuck but I'm pretty sure you can do a couple or most of these combos
>>315765674
>holy fuck this is the best tr4sh has to offer?
>quite obviously brawl
>>315764354
>but you can mod in anyone from a selection of 500+ characters, including Smash 4 characters that are very close to their smash 4 playstyle
not yet retard
also roster kiddies gets triggered when they see too many 3rd parties and 4th party crap on the roster
especially when it's FE/KI/Mario
>>315766134
>Honestly this is kind of fast by itself, I'd say not too far away from Melee honestly.
So you never played melee past the low level, ok.
The absolute top plays of smash 4, are lower mid level melee play.
>>315766134
>Honestly this is kind of fast by itself, I'd say not too far away from Melee honestly.
That doesn't even sniff Melee. It's about more than how fast the characters seem to be moving, but how many inputs are occurring in split seconds. That entire match is so fucking basic
>>315764354
>including Smash 4 characters
i don't recall a moveset hack of Shulk having the Monado Arts gimmick other than different specials
does it exist yet?
>>315766485
it's lower-mid level melee play, that is all.
>all of this elitism from tr4sh, project meme and memeleyfags
Still better than ballotfags.
>>315766356
>>315766485
>>315766660
Even if it doesn't take as much skills as Melee it doesn't mean that it doesn't require a lot of training and it's still fast.
>>315766721
>Wanted Bowser in Melee
>Got him
>Wanted Mewtwo in Melee
>Got him
>Wanted Sonic in Brawl
>Got him
>Wanted Olimar in Brawl
>Got him
>Wanted Wolf in Brawl
>Got him
>Wanted Toon Link to replace Young Link
>Got him
>Wanted Rosalina in 4
>Got her
>Wanted Little Mac in 4
>Got him
>Wanted Palutena in 4
>Got her
>Wanted Shulk in 4
>Got him
Ballotfags need to git gud at requesting characters like me
not having autism>super trash bros
>>315767209
>not having autism>anythingwithacompetitivefollowing>supporting TPP
>>315767000
Compared to melee, the skill sceiling/level is so insultingly small, that it simply doesn't matter. Same with speed.
The "behind the scenes" inputs in melee are just way too much. You need 1 year or 2 in order to fully appreciate what's going on when you watch high level play. s2j's falcon play the other day against ppmd was just amazing. He dashed forward, back wards, shielded in order to reset the momentum of the run, short hopped while holding back and did a back air. Those are 5 inputs in a split second just to do an immediate back air. It happens so fast that an untrained eye only sees a back air. This is just one example. Go watch the archaic "How fast is melee" video.
>>315767485
Maybe you're half-right with input skills level, but the actual speed of both games outside of inputs aren't that much far away. Sure Sm4sh have less stocks but that's because recovering is easier and the stupid infinite air dodging.
>>315767827
Well, i guess you're right. I guess it's about 2/3rd's of melee's speed. Either way, because of the very low APM that smash 4 has, i simply can't "wow" at smash 4 plays.
>>315764687
>was the leaker part of the dev team?
It's speculated that it was a friend of the playtesters in the video.
PM Stream habbening right now
big tourney, or as big as it gets for a ded game
http://www.hitbox.tv/MusicCitySmash
>>315769856
>June getting shit on in Ganon dittos
Stick to Diddy, you turd.
>>315769856
Fuck yes I've been waiting for Tipped Off.
sm4sh>64>melee>brawl
i like them all tho
>>315771085
>"When showing reasoning and facts to [Fanbase that creator of the image hate]" Image
Wow, sure showed me there pal.
>>315771535
Got you pretty good.
>it has a lot of characters and stages!
>gameplay shallower than a kiddie pool
>shittiest stages, items, and single player content in the entire series
>but muh content
I dont get sm4shfags. Are they just dumbfounded over shiny new shit? Having lots of something isnt good when that something is shit.
>>315771672
But anon, Superman 64 is a better game than Pong because it has so much more content!
>>315771672
>>gameplay shallower than a kiddie pool
Which is not true. You might not call the game as much competitive or fast as Melee but it's still fast on it's own and It's fucking great as a party game, the best in the series on that aspect.
>>shittiest stages, items, and single player content in the entire series
>Because I said so!
I don't get Meleefags. Are they just geniuses that everything they say is immediately an undeniable, immediate fact? To the actual subject, 64 has the shittiest single player and Brawl has the only single player that is an actual story mode. Also, Sm4sh items got cool shit like the Bat redesign and previous Smash games have the fucking Fan. You can also turn off items you don't like, just in case you didn't know, for example I would turn off the Fan. Since Wifi Connection was slain, Sm4sh is the only game in the series to have an online multiplayer on it's own without needing emulators and shit. Also, customs and amiibos are fun.
>>315767136
>Wanted Sonic
>Wanted Olimar
>Wanted Metaknight
>Wanted Pit
>Wanted Lucario
>Wanted Little Mac
>Wanted Villager
>Wanted Robin
>Wanted Megaman
>Wanted Miis
>Wanted a retro rep. Not Duck Hunt specifically but I did think it was the most noteworthy retro game.
Feels pretty good. The only characters I can really say I especially want to see are Chibi Robo, Inklings, Bubbles and Banjo-Kazooie. Maybe Phoenix Wright/Layton.
Although I know the Inklings are the only ones out of those that really have a chance.
>>315771672
>>shittiest stages
Holy fuck this is so true. Even coming from a casual standpoint they're just so awful. You don't have to go full tourneyfag to like simple stages where things aren't always moving around and changing, with half the screen filled with hazards. Where the fuck are the stages like Termina? Or Brinstar?
Travelling stages piss me off too because they would usually be perfect if they just stayed in one spot.
>>315771672
The sad thing is, in terms of content even Brawl has it beat. Stages, music, everything. They tried to focus more on online and multiplayer than single player this time, but they fucked even that up with the atrocious netcode.
>>315722431
>wario
what's wrong with him besides "GO"? never played PM
don't tell me dunkey popularized that shit
>>315719676
>Smash 64 that low
You have to be 18 or older to post here.
All these fucking kids who haven't played 64 and picked up Melee in the last few years seriously piss me off.
>>315719676
melee>smash 4>smash 64>brawl>other brawl mods>project meme
>>315773464
Get a decent internet. I played this game online for a year and there rarely is lagfest matches, not often even in For Fun 4 players. And 4 has more musics, trophies and characters than Brawl.
>>315774191
>brawl
>game with 0 gravity, 0 skill required and fucking tripping
>over brawl mods and pm
>>315722431
>puff
lol some1 got rested
>Project M
64 > Melee > Brawl > 3DS > Wii Uthey're all shit tho
>>315774020
>if people don't agree with me then I havta get really angry cause there's no way they're right or are entitled to enjoying whatever they enjoy
>Project Meme
Daily reminder that Project Meme 6.9 is a thing and its separate from Project M.
>Project M (which stands for Melee)
>Project M
>Project M(elee)
>Project Meme
>Project M(eme)
>Project M (which stands for Melee)
>>315775183
>>315775407
>>315775535
>>315775638
>>315775668
>>315775830
>>315776038
>>315776147
>>315776239
This isn't even a PM thread.
>Project M(elee)
>Project M (which stands for Melee)
I'll post the accurate one since you're all shitters
Melee >= PM > 64 > Sm4sh >= Brawl
>>315776535
This is as bad as the other ones.
>>315775579
>tfw no more project meme tourneys
I'd be the best geno if more people played it
>Project Mamungkukumpurangkuntjunya
>Project M
>Project Meme
>>315776535
Accurate list right here
Shit>Smash series
Legacy M > Project M
>Project M(eme)
>Project M(elee)
>vanilla PM
>>315776535
no, i'm still butthurt
ballotkeks shitpostin' again
I'm starting to warm up to smash 4.
I got used to the defensive / campy style, and not having to deal with the level of bullshit there was in melee is certainly a breather.
SHUT THE FUCK UP, I HATE ALL OF YOU GUYS, HOLY FUCKING SHIT!
>There's one guy so butthurt he's posting so much shit to get this thread to the bump limit.
Are you afraid people might discover Project M or something?
STOP PLAYING MELEE YOU FUCKING SHITS
>>315777250
>posting only part of smug Ridley image
>>315777569
GimR trying to shill again
If you put Melee before Smash 64, fine, whatever. That's preference, I guess. Kinda bad taste but I can see where it's coming from.
If you don't put Smash 64 at least on the second place though your opinion is irrelevant. The notion that anybody unironically prefers brawl and 4 over 64 is hilarious. It really just means you never played it for longer than 10 button mashing minutes on emulator or whatever.
>>315777646
it was from a little funny smash thread
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/313315416/
>>315777734
>The notions that anybody have different tastes is hilarious
>>315777569
it's the thread bumper
>>315777782
So, you didn't know its true form?
>PROJECT M
>>315775535
>[Deleted]
>>315777734
It was fun playing it as a kid but i don't think it compares to melee or that one brawl mod. Still a really fun game.
>>315726581
>young thug open in foobar and soundcloud
>the latter bbng
>only syro
holy fuck, anon
>Project MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS
>>315772774
>Wanted Little Mac
Got him
>Wanted King Dedede
Got him
>Wanted Ryu
Got him
>WantKing K. Rool
There's still hope, right?
>>315777898
No it's just I mean I guess games are art and opinions and all but let's not shit ourselves, if there's any halfway objective way to judge video games at all, 64 is MILES better than brawl and sm4sh. Like they are not even on the same plane. 64 was an accidental cult hit, melee was a well designed games which improved upon some of the merits the original brought to the table, and anything afterwards was explicitly designed for 12 year old button mashers.
I always thought that was blatantly obvious. To be honest I'm embarassed by the fact this is even something to argue about.
>Project M
it's Project M(od)
if you really want Melee, play SD Remix.
>>315745971
>wanting ANOTHER fucking FE character
Great meme!
>Project M
>tfw there will never be a mod of 64 with all of Smash 4's characters
>Project M
>>315778369
And what is your reasoning that 64 is MILES better than Brawl and 4? This is like saying Pokemon gen 1 is better than literally any other Pokemon games that came out after it.
>>315778598
reminder that Reality 64, once again another 64 Brawl mod, is dead
you can thank PM for killing it with 0-to-hit mode and lack of development interest.
>>315778598
>there will never be a mod of Melee where all the low tiers are buffed and every character is OP and fun as fuck
>>315730979
CRTs can be found really easily using craigslist
>>315778347
Yes. But not where you think it is.
>>315778878
What is this picture?
>>315779019
an intervention
>>315778629
That pokemon comparison is the most inane thing ever. You see maybe you should actually play it and stop sounding like a preschooler
>>315779019
Size comparison for BaganSmashBros's King K.Rool mod he is working on.
>>315778849
Melee SD Remix does that perfectly
>>315779162
I played both gen 1 and 64 games, sir.
>>315763257
when was this made
>>315779182
That's disappointing. I thought this thread was going out on a leak.
>>315778878
>PM K. Rool
if this happens, i could give a less of a damn about the ballot. (aside K.Rool returning in Retro Kong Country 3)
hope Bagan finishes it before Obongo ratifies TPP (moving to SA or Russia because of this)
>>315779307
Well I highly doubt that cause I don't see how smash 64 being a way better game than brawl and smash 4 are in any way comparable to what gen1 is for pokemon.
But it explains your mindset. Yeah for Pokemon the added content is kind of what the game is about. That's where that comes from I guess. Think that's why you'd think the newer smash games are not garbage, they got all the flashy characters and stages and items and cutscenes and what not. And who cares about the actual mechanics
>>315779392
Why the hell would PMDT (Sakurai's team?) put K.Rool in such pose? Or why would they even make this image?
