Anybody playing Mushihimesama? Haven't seen bugs this glorious since that golden Protoss unit from Starcraft that destroyed buildings.
I managed to take down second boss in original mode on first try without being touched once.
bumpo
Pretty crappy at the game myself
thought this one would have have this fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70iFdnI-xfA
but I realized that's from the sequel.
Mostly have trouble figuring out where to look.
Also, where is my hitbox?
What's the best shot type? I always use SI made a thread earlier but no one posted ;_;
>>315719297
I saw your thread :3
>>315716262
Too expensive for me, so I went to play Danmaku Unlimited 2 instead
it's kinda bland but not bad, music doesnt fit though.
halp
>modern screens are at least 1.5x as wide as high
>make a vertical shmup
>>315720962
for no good reason at all, i feel like vertical makes it easier
>>315720514
Stop attacking his shield. It counters your bullets. Found that out the hard way. The rest of the true final boss is up to you.
>>315719297
I love S for original but for Maniac and Ultra it doesn't seem nearly as useful because how important killing every little popcorn is.
>>315720962
It wasn't designed for TVs or computer screens. Also just flip your fucking screen ya dingus
>>315720962
The game is more than 10 years old retard
>>315722481
Too bad I can't say the same of you.
>>315719046
Right in the middle. If you hold the power shot down a circle glows around it
>>315720514
>smoothing on
Turn that off desu, looks good even without it
>>315720962
Look at this fucking retard who thinks mushihimesama was designed with his widescreen monitor in mind.
>>315716262
Already have 12 hours logged. This is my all time favorite shmup
>>315722751
I don't see this in the settings
>>315723060
Its under screen or general screen after you pick which mode to play
>>315720962
>modern screens
>game is 11 fucking years old
How many sales would it take for it to be a success? I know it's from a small company, so the numbers shouldn't be that high.
Am I playing it wrong? Twin tails got killed once or twice but otherwise I made it through the stages alright.
W-Power here.
>tfw no Japanese Xbox 360
>tfw will never play Mushihimesama Futari & DoDonpachi Daifukkatsu Arrange Black Label
Feels fucking bad mang.
>>315723661
Don't forget DoDonPachi SaiDaiOuJou. I've been dying to play that game for a while.
>>315723815
DoDonPachi Daioujou is in my top 10 games of all time
>>315723661
What a coincidence http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/q-a-cave-on-the-shmup-business-and-mushihimesama-on-steam/0158449
What's your guys tate setup? I have the main screen at the bottom, then the current score and high school side by side at the top
>>315723661
why not just emulate them
>>315723661
Don't know about DDP but Mushi Futari is region free bruh.
So is espgaluda 2 and muchi muchi pork + pink sweets pack
source: I fucking own them
>>315723476
Fucking any sales would be great for a decade old game from a company that lost so much money that they've had to become a phone game company.
>>315724647
just like nintendo then
>>315724387
I don't think they have been emulated.
>>315719297
I noticed you, sempai. Thanks to you, at five in the morning I pulled out my card and bought me the entire kit-n-kaboodle since it was twenty five percent off.
I forgot it released this month, but I hope this convinces them to put out Futari too.
>>315723476
Don't worry Degica will make a lot of money ;^)
>>315724406
Bruh that's actually fucking awesome. Would you recommend ordering Futari on Play Asia, if they have it?
>>315723661
I have futari collectors edition and the dlc code for black label even works on my american 360 brehd
>>315724647
Hopefully releasing their shit on steam will get them back on the right track, because they're the top dog of this genre and their games are fucking amazing. Them having to rely on phone shit is disgusting.
I'd buy every single one of them. Beats the shit out of spending like what, 800 dollars on the Cave Shooting Collection?
I haven't played a good CAVE shooter in quite a while so it felt kind of refreshing. The last one I've played was Ibara and it wasn't so good.
Arrange mode is kicking my ass real good.
>>315724809
Yeah, Futari is no joke one of their best games period. Honestly it makes Mushihimesama (the one on steam right now) look very rough and primitive (even though it's still great.)
If you can get a decent price on it, GET IT. Just read up on it first, because IIRC there was some shit with either Futari or the first game where only first run editions came with 1.5. I'm not sure what that situation is since I preordered mine but it's worth looking into.
>>315725107
Not him but I am hoping that them getting money on steam will give us Futari.
>>315725202
Me too. I also want Deathsmiles and its sequel, Guwange, the espgaluda and DDP games, and basically anything they wanna put up there I'll buy in a heartbeat.
>>315725107
Gotta hope word gets out and some potential new fans purchase it on Steam so we can get some more Cave games on PC
>>315724731
try looking a bit harder then m8
>>315725494
How about you help me out as well, since you seem to know more about it than I do
Do you have to beat bosses on your first credit to unlock the cheevos?
>>315723661
>>315723815
Look for the PAL ver of Daifukkatsu, titled "Resurrection". Region free.
Mushi Futari and Saidaioujou are region free.
>>315725557
No.
>>315725592
Does Daifukkatsu have Black Label? That's really the one I want to play.
>>315725537
They've been emulated for ages now, they just don't run accurately.
>>315725680
Yes, but it involves making a PAL account with points since it's DLC.
I'm assuming that every Cave shmup that came out on 360 will eventually be making their way to Steam.
>>315726019
Nice, thanks! I know what I'm buying for Christmas!
Someone explain to me how I can get further on one credit in Maniac than in Original.
Also where can I go and read about how the scoring mechanics work because I would very much like to know.
I can't decide which shot type I like more.
I enjoy W because it helps with killing mobs but I love the movement speed of S and it destroys bosses with its A+C
>>315720962
>horizontal shmups
>>315720962
I just want to know why there's fucking extra padding at the top and bottom of the screen
This shit looks tiny, I feel like I need to buy a rotating monitor just to enjoy this.
>>315726828
>Hurrr what is options menu
>>315726447http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=4049http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?t=9671
>>315726447
Maniac isn't designed to be too much of a difficulty step over original, it's mostly an alternate more danmaku-style version of the game.
Depending on what you're used to, more but slower bullets can be a lot easier than fewer and faster
>>315728145
Thanks anon.
>>315727845
thanks, i did not expect the option i wanted to show up only while inside the game.
mfw it took me three hours to figure out you could shoot without moving more slowly
>>315716262
Awesome games.
God, it's impossible to make good webms of Mushihimesama. No matter how much I lower the resolution and compromise with the bitrate, I can barely get 30 second clips of action. Even after compressing it to hell and back beforehand.
When the fuck will 3MB limit be increased on this shit site and for fucks sake add sound to webms outside /gif/ other than censoring doubleplus ungood words.
>>315729663
you mean rapid fire button?
>>315716262
I'm waiting for Mushihimesama Futari
I hope it's coming
>>315725680
Yes but no black label arrange (ketsuipachi) like black label retail has.
>>315716262
>golden Protoss unit from Starcraft that destroyed buildings
you mean the reaver?
'cause most protoss units are golden and can destroy buildings
>>315731049
yeah
>>315730794
Yeah. I'm still confused though because there are like four auto fire buttons in the configuration menu.
>>315731282
perhaps someone can explain what's up with that and what is the optimal config to use
i just tap z and press x to bomb
>>315730845
They are porting one more that will be announced around Christmas. Cave have said that if the games sell well they would like to port a lot more as well as maybe even make a new one.
>>315731361
>tap z
Doesn't that kill your finger anon? I remember PoFV being a rather painful experience because of that.
>>315731478
it does a bit yes
but i don't live that long anyway
>>315716262
Reco is literally the sexiest girl in shmups, she's also a 'no-pan' girl and is into /ss/
>>315731361
They're different rates of fire because the Japanese are autistic about scoring. Just pick one or tap because it doesn't make an appreciable difference.
>>315731601
>'no-pan' girl and is into /ss/
a what?
>>315731821
She doesn't wear underwear and she wants to fuck little boys
>>315731821
She doesn't wear underwear
>>315731821
she don't wear panties and she fucks little boys
i heard about the nopan one in an interview and i think the /ss/ one is just implied in the story
I always thought shmups came into being from Japanese obsession with falling cherry blossoms and memories of kamikazes diving through barrage of ship's guns. Would explain the fatalism and the calm required to endure.
Am I right?
>>315732047
Pretty much
I forgot I had these from the X360 version.
If anyone cares.
How do I git gud?
I can't even 1cc the first stage on the easiest difficulty
>>315732047
It's not really implied in the story I don't think just the end stage images.
>>315732391
Just keep on playing and learn from your mistakes.
>>315732391
muscle memory is your friend
>>315732453
IIRC no she does go for him, like a replacement for his (Palm's) older brother who dies for Reco and his death is blamed on her... in Futari anyways.
I think they spent a lot of time together in the course of Futari? My moonrune game is weak.
>>315732739
Got more of them? It sucks that one can't find a lot of art of F, I love the artstyle so much.
>>315732912
Nope. I have some wallpapers though.
I hope MHSF comes out on steam too.
2ho garbage
Semen Demon Reco
I'm broke. Been playing Vulkaiser and Gigantic Army instead. Pretty interested in this andBlue Revolver, though. Such is life as a high school dropout.
>>315732036
neither do I
>>315732279
Not really. It's just a fun competitive genre with a lot of scoring that rewards greatly concentration and memory. Also it's impressive to normies.
>>315733882
>sjw artist
>>315720514
>tfw fighting Aki and Akka for the first time
The rest of Arrange mode seems doable to 1cc but then that happens and just no
>>315720962
Don't worry Deathsmiles is next. That's a horizontal shmup.
>>315731478
>announced during christmas
So it's gonna be Deathsmiles II isn't it?
>>315735030
If it's Deathsmiles I hope it's the first one
>>315735206
I'd be fine with both. I never played the second one though and I heard it's even more casual so I'm ok with it as I'm not really that good at shmups. I could really use some of the more easy ones.
So all this stuttery slowdown that constantly drops in after stage 2 is intended and hardcoded into the game?
>>315716262
sorry but I like games that actually use the entire fucking screen.
What are some good horizontal shmups?
>>315735465
>What are some good horizontal shmups?
none of them
>>315735465
I mentioned earlier I've been playing Vulkaiser. It's pretty neat, got sort of a 70s robot anime aesthetic. Pretty casual, though. But you have a rocket punch and you can get a giant drill weapon.
>>315735465
Deathsmiles and Gradius V
>>315735465
you hav to play verties in tate
>>315735465
Deathsmiles. Buy Mushihimesama and it's likely Deathsmiles will be next.
>>315735465
Gradius and Thunder Force
>>315735450
It's completely intended, and is expected to be exploited to the fullest by the player. This is one of the key issues with the emulator people, actually. Not being able to emulate slowdown.
>>315735575
einhander
>>315736592
You seem a little mad.
>>315736592
>They tested the waters, but the water ran dry long ago.
How did they test the waters if they ran dry? That makes no sense.
>>315736592
This thread is still better than Touhou thread, but maybe that's a silly comparison.
>>315736697
>I would have been mad if this game was actually a success.
Why is that?
>>315736545
It feels like shit, though
How do people see it like this in the arcades and not think the machine is breaking
I understand clean, hardcoded slowdown for really dense boss patterns or something like that but when I'm just running through the stage and it's constantly stuttering in and out of slowdown, it looks and feels like garbage
>>315736701
touhoufags don't actually play touhou though(ou)
>>315736726
Well, it was originally a limitation of the PCBs, as you've probably already figured, so not all of the slowdown in any given title is hardcoded. Cave made it a habit to program around it. Make it a feature, so to speak. I can see where it might not be for everyone, though.
>>315736761
That's what I'm thinking.
>>315736761
I'm not entirely sure most of them even realize it's a video game series.
>>315736592
oh well, I guess not everyone on earth is a good person after all.
>>315736915
It's just obsession materials for otaku and waifufags.
I wonder why it's on /v/ in the first place.
>>315736761
This
Stop falling for the bait, guys.
>>315736592
What's even the point of a shitpost like this?
>>315737134
It isn't. /jp/ was specifically created to house it.
>>315737187
The shitposter from yesterday's Cave thread has returned, I see.
Any more stories about your world record Touhou scores?
>>315736592
Stop responding to him you fucks.
>>315737187
>draw porn
You actually proud of this shit? no wonder you and kancollefags are at odds on each other.
>>315737187
>>315737401
lol samefag
>>315716262
A friend of mine was just playing this. Looked really neat!
>>315737401
Zun also draw like elementary school.
Why the fanbase worshipping each character like some kind of goddess is beyond me.
>>315737401
But they contradict each other.
>>315737187
>2hufag
Opinion discarded
>>315728325
Oh that makes sense. I had just assumed that Maniac was supposed to be straight up more difficult. I do prefer the more dense by slower bullets so I guess I'll stick with that for now.
It's a shame that they were hoping to introduce many new players to Cave games but then didn't include anything to inform those newcomers about anything. I
>>315737791
Please just circlejerk over your mediocre loli waifus and argue with boatfags on /jp/.
No one cares what shitty lolis you masturbate to.
Cave is off to a good start.
Treasure is off to a good start.
SITER SKAIN is off to a good start.
Yotsubane is off to a good start.
Psikyo and Seibu Kaihatsu are pretty much fucked(RIP).
Lmao who cares about Team Shanghai Alice.
It's Raizing/8ing's time to shine.
For our new Steam players, here is a resource you can use in lieu of anything Steam/Cave might have provided with your purchase (which I'm betting is nothing.)
http://www.world-of-arcades.net/Cave/Mushihimesama/Mushihimesama.htm
Here, you can check out some info on Mushihimesama (and a number of other Cave titles). Of special importance is the "System" entry on the left, which will explain how to play, and how to get your head around the scoring system and things like banking child counters.
>>315738325
2hufags circlejerk is more cringeworthy, though.
It's like I'm watching roleplaying on shitty anime forum.
>>315724731
p much everything except saidaioujou and the special edition Xbox releases like keysui mode on the daifukatsu black label release are emulated
What's the deal with arrange mode? You start off with six options and you get autobombing but are there any downsides to it that make it more difficult or is it just babby mode?
>>315738325
I think what he means is that Touhou isn't realy the subject of the thread. Mushihimesama is and by that extent Cave's leap to Steam. Comparisons to this game and Touhou are fine, but any circlejerking, ranting about what's flatout better than Cave in general isn't.
The point of the thread is to talk about this game and Cave games in general because a lot of people probably didn't realize Cave was even a thing until now. If the game is a bad port or you regret buying the game that's a different story and you can explain that, but pissing away your time ranting about how Cave sucks or how good Touhou is has no point being here whatsoever. Make a seperate thread for that or go to /jp/ where most major fans of Touhou are.
Is it just me or is there no way to get a good zoom setting?
112% misses the top of the screen by one pixel and 113% cuts it off by one. Adjusting y pos doesn't help.
>>315738703
You run out of lives, you lose. Period. No continues. You also can't use the banking system like in the original mode and you can switch between shot types.
>>315739171
Or it's due to the fact that you shitpost about Touhou it in every Cave thread you can find.
>>315739171
At least can you share the IRC channel? Tired of not finding any place to actually talk about those 2...
>>315739171
This is turning me on. Keep posting.
>>315739283
What's wrong with /jp/?
>>315739342
>/jp/
>good
Pick one. It's a shitfest of nothing but waifu posting an no actual discussion. Talk about any other shmup and it's just /v/ lite.
>>315738714
Also, you realize touhou thread is never started about the gameplay. Speak so much for being a "good" game.
I guess shitposting is their nature.
>>315739171
Or you just triggered when someone badmouthed touhou and start to brag about even more irrelevant things. You could just ignore them if you don't care.
This game doesn't seem to save my scores. I'm a scrub ass and only just got a score in the top five after a number of attempts. Now I open the game up and my #5 score on the board is gone.
>>315739446
Almost makes me glad the fanbase drove me away from ever getting into the Touhou games. It would suck not having a place to talk about them, especially if you were a fan.
>>315739265
You can use continues in the 360 and pc version however, just not in the ps2 version.
>>315739468
apparently the fix is making sure cloud saving is on
>>315739536
Now add CAVE, Len'en, Taito... After that, you'll know how I feel.
>>315739468
How much more politely do you want the game to tell you?gitgud
>>315739450
Sadly, I do. There used to be threads about netplay in Soku and PoFV that showed up on /v/ on a regular basis but now that's gone. Usually it's about which Touhou girl is cutest and how they are about the lore with some sprinkles about the game. Too bad because I respect ZUN's work on them considering it's mostly a solo effort on the games.
>>315739572
Oh shit I stand corrected. My bad. I was going off what I learned from the PS2 version
What is the difference between just selecting play and score attack?
>>315739342
They're shitters who support censorship.
>>315739940
I'm sure they don't censor you discussing Touhou games, Anon.
>>315739832
Play through stages in score attack to rack up as big a score as you can anytime you want. You get one go. You lose all your lives you automatically lose, and your score is saved for bragging rights.
>>315740081
/jp/ is bad and people even suggesting such a thing should feel bad about themselves. Discussing anything shmup related there is going to end in nothing.
>>315740164
Wasn't /jp/ started specifically to discuss the Touhou games? Why does the board even still exist?
>>315740081
Yeh but they support censored porn games.
>>315739446
>>315739595
>>315739283
The STG threads on /jp/ were nothing but talk about Touhou games. No waifu posting what so ever due to the dedicated janitor that frequented the thread.
I don't think they're a thing now though.
Anyway, I'm not going to give you the IRC channel here, because I'll never hear the end of it from the people that are in it who hate when I "name drop" players or post the channel. It's not like the IRC is some secret club though, there's like over 50 people that are frequently in it.I hang out in some other channel with my fellow super players too, but those ones actually are our secret idle club.
If you really want to know though, post your steam, that's the best I can do.
>>315740253
It exists as a containment board and it failed. I just gave up even going there in the first place.
so how good is the port? I've never played any cave game except for dodonpachi on MAME
I have exactly the dosh for it in my steam wallet
will I like it if I liked blue wish ressurection+?
>>315740274
Touhou is a censored porn game?
>>315740274
I don't see what's censored here. I'm only seeing a downie face.
>>315740307
Bah, what's the point. And yeah, even naming players gets you hate on /jp/ too. Why even bother hating on any player? Guess some people are just jealous or something? Just, enjoy your IRC man, don't post it here.
>>315739342
They don't discuss shmup anymore since it's overwhelmed by 2hufags and jap stuff from other boards like idols.
Since mundane 2hu threads are like 90% of the thread you can think /jp/ as 2hu-exclusive /s4s/ now. Don't ever bother to talk about other things there.
>>315740431
The port is fantastic, and feels *almost* like running on my PCB. I think any subtle differences I'm picking up on are either in my head or a byproduct of my computer's hardware. Whatever the case, this puts MAME to absolute shame. I never understood how people could play on it in the first place.
>>315720962
just tate your screen faggot
>>315740431
It's worth the asking price.
>>315740481
Tits made bigger and her overall size also increased because oppai lolis are not allowed.
Here's a better example I guess. Anything with tits below C cup has their breasts increased to C cups. They're also made tallers so they don't look like oppai lolis either.
>>315740461
What else is it?
>>315740687
Oh man, the proportions are mutant tier.
Why are religious conservatives put in charge of importing foreign entertainment?
>>315729663
>>315730794
HOW? I've been fucking hammering my A button to move fast and shoot.
>>315739808
You don't have to shitpost to vent out your frustation, you know.
You just give the fanbase even more bad rep.
>>315740803
Actually they also censored religious symbols from a nun girl.
>>315740486You're not missing out on much anyway.
Anyway if you change your mind, you know where to find my quality posts.
Also top tier taste. Anybody that enjoys Len'en is cool in my book. Waiting warmly for BPoHC (Which should be coming before christmas, according to JynX).
Can't wait to hear more of his great music.
>>315740687
I'm seeing it now, but the only thing I can look at are those fucking faces. Lord almighty, did they even try?
>>315740810
Just hold the C button
>>315740701
A game to be discussed. I thought that was the point of all the bitching re: the sad state of /jp/.
Touhou is the MLP of shmups. You have your own board for talking about your "gameplay", fuck off there. This is a CAVE thread.
>>315741006
Instead of complaining why don't you just ignore them.
>>315720962
Wait, this anon is onto something
Why doesn't someone design a widescreen shmup? I'd play that shit, a vertical shmup with a widescreen? That sounds like some pretty high potential for FUN
>>315740902
I translated a few twits of his and HOLY FUCK.
>40 bosses in a Touhou-like confirmed
>1 team's dialogue is essentially all the dialogue of 3-4 Touhou games combined, and is pretty much literally heading to "World Record for shmup with the largest amount of Dialogue."
I'm really hype for it. I hope you have good times.
>>315740892
Those monsters. Literally 80s NoA tier.
>>315740921
Touhou is too cancerous to be considered a game.
>>315740919
I just mentioned I'm using a controller, so that's very useful. At least now I know there's a button I can hold down instead, so that's something.
>>315741130
Then it belongs on the containment board: /jp/.
The circle is complete.
>>315740486
What's with the assumption that being a waifufag and actually playing the games are mutually exclusive? I enjoy both the games and the fandom content. That hasn't stopped me from spending hundreds of hours playing all the windows games.
>>315741079
Yep, me and a few friends are extremely eager to play. The demo was promising, albeit a bit broken, but I'm extremely happy to see characters from the previous games returning, usually with updated better than ever spellcards and themes. Personally, the only theme that I found inferior to the original is Colt Snake. The rest are just straight up upgrades.
Please don't disappoint us JynX.
>>315741251
Yes, but does that fix /jp/ and make everyone actually playing the games and discussing any type of shmup? Of course not, otherwise I wouldn't even be posting here.
Man, this autistic faggot just can't leave Cave threads alone. He must realize he's not wanted anywhere.
Any Touhoufags try Mushihimesama?
>>315741343
The only thing I have my doubts about is the amount of randomness in Unreal. I can't play it without an upgrade or two and I feel like I'm cheating somehow... I think Hibaru and Tenkai will even be playable so look forward to it.
>>315741251
Being waifufag attract shittier waifufags.
Why do you think Touhou thread is filled with autistic secondaries?
>>315741413
I don't think you realize why Touhoufags are Touhoufags.
>>315741359
Yeah.
And now he's just ignoring us and replying to himself.
>>315741554
Doesn't really answer my question tho.
2hu plz go
>>315741079
>shmup with the largest amount of Dialogue.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE WRONG GENRE.
IF YOU PLAY SHMUPS FOR THE STORY, SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP.
>>315738086
>over rated as fuck shmup
>>315741554
That is the deepest cut against a fan of Touhou one could make. I understand their crippling autism now. Thank you senpai.
>>315741624
Nah, I honestly just want to read the banter while dodging good stuff. It's not wrong to enjoy it, for me at least. Still, it'll be a fun game to play.
>>315741461
>Unreal
>No upgrades yet
>Get to a midboss
>Get the invincibility + darkness + guard breaking bullets
On the other hand, when you get certain upgrades, like the Parasols, the game becomes too easy, even on unreal, so hopefully JynX balances some of this shit out.
>>315741624
>IF YOU PLAY SHMUPS FOR THE STORY, SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP.
why are you such a philistine?
>>315741753
Indeed, even after the "small balance" patch, it all went to shit real fast. Level is actually a cool way of representing skill, but I think it's not balanced in terms of what they represent in total number.
>some upgrade skills only give out 10 levels
>parasols are OP as fuck
Still, it's a good way for everyone to enjoy the game at any skill level.
How autistic would you have to be to go into a thread for a specific series and try to converse about a completely unrelated franchise..
So, any tips for scoring or boosting chain? I've only seemed to go above 70,000 fighting final boss on Original/Ultra. I imagine Arrange/1.5 have higher health totals on Ultra and let you go above 200,000.
>>315741647
>Garegga not the shit
Nigga.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NS8jaW1iIc#t=10
>>315741992
Not autistic. Just rude. Likely friendless and impotent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrPLhATu9pU
Why is this allowed?
>>315741976
If I had to be honest, then I honestly must admit that I don't really like the random "penalties" you receive. Some are real annoying. I haven't played the demo in a while, but I'm sure there was some that inverted the controls, right? I've had some really fucked up combination of penalties on some unforgiving sections (specifically certain midbosses) which can just be an instant game over. Stuff like Inverted Controls + No Bombing + Darkness. You have no chance for stuff like this.
In a perfect world, I'd like the ability to turn the penalties on and off.
As I said though, hopefully he balances them some more. He's been working on this game in particular for quite a bit of time so I'll have some faith.
>>315741992
>>315742061
People talked about other shmups in here. Adding another to the pile doesn't do much more harm.
>>315742068
This.
>>315742280
Yeah, you're right about the inverted control ones. I dread him inverting up and down aswell... Still, it might happen, who knows.
Another problem I have is the fact Extends aren't earnable by points anymore, it's another random event, and worse part is the fact it's hard to get them since you can't even get hit or bomb.
After working on this for a year, I feel it's going to be amazing.
>>315742456
Doesn't do much harm? You've derailed yet another thread.
>>315742456
I'm OK with discussing Touhou and other shmups on /v/ so long as the elitism and shitposting is kept to a minimum.
>>315737791
Being told Touhou is the be all end all is no way to start a discussion.
>>315742175
Looks like he accumulated a shitton of bombs before the fight.
>>315742571
What are you talking about? I just woke up to this thread and started posting after seeing discussion on general shmups and not just Mushi. Are you retarded?
>>315742456
Yeah, other CAVE shmups.
This is a CAVE thread. Not a 2hu. You have a place to talk about 2hu already without drowning out other people's discussions of already niche games with white noise about fuckin 2hu.
LEAVE THIS PLACE 2HU
>>315742631
>I'm OK with discussing Touhou and other shmups on /v/ so long as the elitism and shitposting is kept to a minimum.
This is not a Touhou thread though.
>>315742657
Yes and those posts were deleted because that person been shitposting in these threads since the start. Take the hint.
>>315741992
Other shmup need shelter too, I guess.
Shmup thread is always dead in less than 100 posts and CAVE on Steam should enrich it.
>>315742631
This. But it's /v/, people are just shitting up because it's not Mushi. Mushi's amazing and so is everything by CAVE, but just talking about something else already rages a huge war, Christ.
>>315742662
I didn't even talk about 2hu and there was already discussion. Blame them.
>>315742720
So? It's not like talking about shmups in a shmup thread is against the rurus.
>>315741413
Used to be touhou fag but after trying out Crimzon Clover and other shmups on steam I stopped playing them.
>>315742175
Atleast her attacks are actually 'fair' and dogdeable unlike the TLB in Mushihimesama.
https://youtu.be/T6kwkFuACdY?t=1412
>the shitposter got banned
Hallelujah!
What's /v/ favorite Cave game? Deathsmiles for me.
>>315742747
>>315742774
This.
>>315742784
I want to play Crimzon Clover so bad, the game looks amazing really.
>>315742868
DonDon.
>>315742868
Mushihimesama Futari, but I've only played a few. Everything about it is just so comfy.
Don't want to pirate the ones I don't have, I'd rather wait until I can purchase them.
>>315741413
I did. I really like it. Not as much as Touhou but I'm still having a lot of fun.
They are very different though.
>>315742975
You really should anon. It will probably go on sale over christmas for $2 as it often has in the past so I'd advise you to pick it up then.
>>315743004
I'll be honest I've only played Deathsmiles andMahou Otome.
I've been waiting to see Cave put their games on Steam.
>>315742868
Mushihimesama Futari.
Zanac, Espgaluda and Technosoft games otherwise.
>>315742868
Daioujou.
>>315743041
I'll pick it up alongside Mushi, you can bet that. They're all so different, but all so good! Add Len'en 4 to the mix and I must say 2015 was a good year for shmups. Touhou 15 was okay, but not so much as the rest.
>>315742868
Mine too, anon. Was the first Cave game I ever 1cc'd too. And Tyrannosatan, the Demonic Imperator is the greatest fucking name for anything ever.
>>315742868
Ketsui and Dodonpachi
>>315741858
this nigga here knows what's up.
>>315742868
Dai-Ou-Jou for me. Hibachi's theme just gets me pumped. Espgalda's a close second though
I was checking my Steam alt account and noticed this. It's good news.
hey guys can I play along too?
>>315743952
Noticed what? It's not a top seller, but it's a popular new release. I think Cave are gonna be satisfied either way.
340 people playing it at once, that's still a decent number considering you don't play shmups for long periods at a time.
>>315732291
>SS porn of mushi futari
FINALLY
>>315716262
What controllers do you guys use for shmups? Is the keyboard fine?
So If I understand correctly: When there's a mid boss I use LT to build up counters, then I use RB to bank it ?
What's the canon version/mode to 1cc? Original seems like the easiest Cave game, was it even on arcades?
>>315744290
Arcade stick is probably ideal, but I use a 360 gamepad.
>>315741624
Len'en fags in a nutshell
>>315744290
I use keyboard all the time
Anyone get Futari to work on MAME?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mRV4W_BiT0
>>315744290
Play with what you feel comfortable with. There's no real benefit aside from a stick's movement precision.
>>315716262
>Boss health bar at the top
>also mirrored on the bottom
I need this in more games
>>315744290
Keyboard is absolutely fine, some say it's the best way of playing but I prefer Arcade Stick.
It's all personal preference.
>>315744290
I use the madcatz TE I use for fightan usually, but when I'm too lazy to get up and grab it, I just use a 360 pad. Keyboard is probably fine too. Really anything is fine as long as you can move precisely. Not a whole lot going on with the buttons, although it is easier to switch between shot types with arcade stick or kbm.
>>315744432
Emulated versions are fucked, the games are balanced around hardware-based slowdown and since emulators are made to spoof hardware and aren't coded for individual games, they can't emulate the slowdown.
You could play it I guess, but it's not a version to take seriously. Like they wouldn't use the SNES version of SF2 at EVO for example. Same deal.
1.0 is very stale after playing Futari.
1.5 is pretty neat i guess.
>>315744719
How do I get into this genre, what's a good place to start?
>>315744798
shmup fans consider Mushihimesama to be the 9th best shmup of all-time, so it's a decent starting place. It's also the only Cave game on Steam atm.
>>315744798
Pick up something light like Cho Ren Sha 68K, which is free:
http://www2.tky.3web.ne.jp/~yosshin/my_works/download.html
Mushihimesama is a good base as well if you start on Novice difficulties.
>>315744885
Good, I'll give it a try.
What older games that can be easily emulated with mame are worth the try?
>>315744395
>Not enjoying good games.
I feel sorry for you anon, one day you'll see the light, hopefully.
>>315744719
This.
>>315744798
Just pick up whatever you can play. Maybe Mushihimesama, Crimzon Clover or Ikaruga since they're on steam.
Or Touhou if you want to be a pirate.
My local leader boards aren't working. I just got 300 mil in Mania but it still displays 100 as the local highscore.
>>315745026
Well if you're using MAME. Just go through this list and play the ones available.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53159
>>315745063
Ikaruga was really my first shmup, and is still probably my absolute favorite, but let's be honest, it's not a good introduction to this style of game. It's not really bullet hell so much as a puzzle shmup.
>>315724220
>DoDonPachi Daioujou is in my top 10 games of all time
As of right now it's easily my favorite DoDonPachi game.
so is it wrong for me to find the Strikers series harder than every bullet hell ever?
>>315744146
Steamspy also shows 5K copies sold first day. If the trend goes that way it's looking really good to me.
>>315745508
>That bottom row
Yeah, much HARDER.
So what's up with Arrange mode? It seems easier than Ultra on Normal, is 1.5 a step up from that, or does it just get progressively harder and harder until it makes Ultra look easy?
What button is Continue?
Also, on Normal mode does the Difficulty in the Game Options menu actually do anything?
>>315745557
So at least $52000 (I removed 30% Steam cut), not taking into account people who picked up the bundle. That's pretty damn decent for what I assume was a cheap port. Who knows how it's split between Degica and Cave, but still..
As long as the have a 25% launch discount and include the OSTs for free, I'm gonna have to pick up every Steam release they do.
>>315745026
Psikyo, Seibu, Toaplan and all of those older companies have the most basic systems and are instantly understood.
Cave and Raizing have deeply layered systems and can be hard to understand completely, though a lot of games here run the gamut of difficulty (novice for newcomers all the way to ultra for the most challenging experience, etc.).
That said I'd recommend trying out Gunbird 2, Dodonpachi and Darius Gaiden on MAME. If you can emulate other systems, pick up PC Engine/PSX/NES and emulate games like the Soldier series, Zanac, Raiden DX, etc.
>>315745508
Gotta work your ASS for that plot
God bless Cave for some of this shit
>>315745693
Rearranged enemies, new music & you drop bombs (if you have them) when you get hit. I think that's it, I haven't read up on it, so I'm guessing. I'm not sure if there are any other differences. Oh and there's another boss at the end.
>>315742868
>What's /v/ favorite Cave game
Okay that is hard. But it's somewhere between DaiOuJou, Ketsui Kizuna Jigoku Tachi, and Mushihimesama Futari (I've only played Black Label).
>>315744798
Blue Wish is amazing for beginners, because it has really tight patterns but slow bullets. Its free too.
>>315745832
Wow I'm stupid. I just remembered Strikers is by Psykiko
>>315744885
>>315745004
>>315745063
>>315745258
>>315745801
>>315745972
Thanks, you guys are pretty cool
>>315745508
This isn't real, right?
>>315745063
ikaruga has the best concept art out of any vidya
yes, better than shinkawa's art
Could someone repost the difficulty ranking of all the Cave games?
>>315742571
>You've derailed yet another thread.
>Mfw this retard doesn't even know who is who
>Mfw he blames some poor innocent anon due to his severe retardation
Nigga, please.
>>315745693
It's basically a retooled Maniac mode. You can't continue and if you get hit with a bullet you'll autobomb (depleting all of your stock), so use that shit up. You can switch between M/W/S shot types. You always get the TLB on Maniac mode, whereas it was only a part of Ultra, and it is as hard as Ultra.
1 is continue, but it's disabled in Arrange.
And yes, difficulty switches increase bullet speed and volume.
>>315746295
It's real. You have to get Gold on all missions and beat the game and for the ending portrait you get a picture of your pilot naked along with their measurements
>>315746503
"You" doesn't have to refer to a specific person, anon. Please go learn basic English before posting on this website.
>>315724264
>Akai Katana was a disaster
Well, no shit. Nobody cared about that game.
>>315746630
"You've derailed yet another thread" implies that it's the same person who derailed the first thread.
>>315746607
Good thing I never achieved Gold.
Who thought those pilots are actually busty women?
>>315746837
No, it does not have to imply that.
I play it monthly every year. Still haven't 1cc'd the game.
>>315746423
Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 Ultra
Ketsui 2-ALL/DOOM
Daioujou WL 2-ALL
Mushihimesama Ultra
Dodonpachi 2-ALL
Deathsmiles LV.9999
Daioujou BL 2-ALL
Donpachi 2-ALL
Guwange
Daifukkatsu 2-ALL/TLB
Daioujou BL 1-ALL/TLB
Deathsmiles LV.3/Death
Espgaluda Arrange
Mushihimesama Arrange
Daioujou WL
Daioujou BL
Mushihimesama Futari Maniac
Ketsui
Espgaluda II
Dangun Feveron
Mushihimesama Maniac
Dodonpachi
Progear
Donpachi
ESP Ra.De.
Mushihimesama Futari Original
Espgaluda
Mushihimesama Futari 1.5 Original
Mushihimesama Original
Deathsmiles
Any word on what else we can expect of CAVE on Steam?
I am hankering for some Muchi Muchi Pork since I played it at a convention a few years ago.
>>315748140
There's no word yet, but it will likely be Mushihimesama Futari with Black Label DLC.
>>315748140
They are gonna bring the games released on 360 over first, due to convenience. Muchi Muchi Pork/Pink Sweets is one of the games released for 360.
So if the games they put out are successful, it's definitely coming down the line sooner than later because the work is already done.
>>315748371
They wouldn't do Futari right after the original, they likely want to mix things up.
They have 2 more releases planned for now.
>>315716262
This reminds me of PC-98 era 2hu.
>>315747638
You can only imagine how excited I was the first time I barely (emphasis on barely) made it to Ura loop in Ketsui. Then I finally made it to Evaccaneer Doom and I almost shat myself.
>>315747638
what do the non-ALL runs mean? just getting to final boss?
also where would saidaioujou rank in there?
>>315748743
Non: 1-ALL, just beating the game no TLB.
Never played SDOJ.
>>315748457
NICE.
I bought Akai Katana, DoDonPachi Res and DeathSmiles on 360 but having them on Steam would be an excellent convenience.
>>315748743
Not him but I feel like a SDOJ 1-ALL/Hibachi would be lower than a SDOJ 1-ALL/Inbachi. Both should be rather high because I heard the game is very hard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1PxYS0chvQ
>>315716262
Those bullet patterns don't look pretty enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWD-GZP35u8
Why is this allowed?
>>315752212
that's the original mode, much easier than maniac and the final one
>>315752427
I'm not referring to the apparent diffculty. Rather the A E S T H E T I C
Related, I just bought Astebreed after enjoying Mushihimesama and seeing it in the similar games list on Steam. It's fun as fuck and I think I prefer it to Mushihimesama.
>>315752572
Astebreed is kind of cool but mostly fucking weird. Not really a game I'd dedicate a lot of time to score whoring on, but it's fun for a playthrough every once in a while.
>>315752212
There are games which I care about prettiness and which I care more about difficulty.
>>315752556
shit for taste
>>315752427
It's deceptive to call Original 'much easier' than Maniac. It very quickly starts to resemble a Psikyo shmup with very quick bullets that can become hard to parse.
I personally find Maniac much more manageable later on.
>>315752973
>the two are mutually exclusive
What does /v/ think of Hellsinker? I'm thinking of getting it.
>>315752343
Question, when a run is referred to as "no-miss", what exactly does that mean?
Is there a like, general shmup wiki I can read?
>>315753214
KEEP YOUR DIGNITY
>>315753223
No miss = Zero life lost
1 CC = 1 Credit Complete
TLB = True Last Boss
>>315753223
no miss - no deaths
Applies to other arcade genres too like rail shooters and run an guns.
>>315753064
okay, didn't play that much yet, the game says that the bullets are sparse compared to other modes.
>>315753252
D-does that mean I shouldnt get it?
>>315753560
DEATH IS WAITING
DO NOT MAKE IT WAITYes you should get it, it's great.
>>315753531
They're sparse in comparison but also much faster.
Best shmup coming through
proof that variety trumps lazy patterns every time
>>315753694
What R-Type games are worth playing?
>>315754302
There are a few R-Type games in the Top 25 list. It's not a definitive list, but it's made by die-hard shmup fans.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53159
Ultra mode is so much fun. I can only do the first two stages but it's still a blast.
>>315753631
On Your Decision
THEGAME
HAS BEENOVER
It's Absolutely.
>>315754302
R-Type (for historic appreciation), Delta and Leo are good. Final is pretty eh.
>not having portrait monitor
shiggy
>>315747638
Most recent list is actually
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.wikihouse.com/stg/index.php%3FSTG%25A5%25E9%25A5%25F3%25A5%25AF%25B0%25EC%25CD%25F7
>>315740307
The IRC channels where most players hang out are called:
#kusoplay
#ijiyatsu
and there's one that's either #shmup or #shmups
Because fuck you guys hanging out in your shitty IRC channel
#kusplay also has channel logs: http://tomko.kapsi.fi/ where you can see how shitty pleople are being right now
So many anons loving the mushihime, this pleases me
>>315755185
>plasma too big to rotate, don't want to break it
>no way of rotating my BenQ
>lie my head down and play Mushihimesama PS2 to simulate rotation
>>315747638
I thought Guwange was easier?
>>315755330
Most of /v/ has never touched a shmup that wasn't bland waifu trash like Touhou. Glad to see they're opening their eyes to the world beyond the lolis.
>>315755312
So I take it Deathsmiles II is by far the most novice-friendly Cave game?
>>315748457
>Deathsmiles on Steam
oh god yes
>>315755734
It's a very approachable game
>>315755436
Depends on the mode. One mode in Guwange is easy.
>>315755567
That community never cared about shmups in the first place and they won't care now either. It's not about the gameplay for them.
Why is there no hori that feels anything like a vert? Does japan have some law that forbids hori games from actually being fun? I mean it's the same fucking shit isn't it? Surely the camera angle can't be the fucking problem.
>>315753223
Bumping this again, is there a definitive Shmup Wiki I can read through?
>>315755884
Deathsmiles 2 in time for Christmas would be cool. I've never played that one, I hear it's one of the weaker Cave games though.
>>315755567
But Muneshihime also has sexy girl as pilot.and /v/ doesn't actually play Touhou, if they are actually /v/ and not /jp/
>>315755995
It's still really good though. It's more laid back than the other ones. Makes a good warmup (or wind-down if you get frustrated at one of their harder games)
>>315755995
I wonder if it's not just because of this >>315755908 which is not a bad thing in itself. If anything it would probably attract more people.
>>315755992
http://shmup.wikia.com/wiki/Shoot_Em_Up
It misses a lot of stuff though
>>315734793
*That's a vertical shmup turned horizontal.
ftfyfam
>>315755995
I haven't played 2 but the first one gets pretty fun if you play for scoring at the higher difficulties
the bosses are pretty wacky too
>>315755992
Glossary: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?p=1083937#p1083937
General strategies and in-depth discussion/topics for specific games: http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1896
ST: Strategy - generally the most comprehensive and complete repository of information if a game has one (go here first)
GD: General Discussion
RQ: Request for information, answers from established/knowledgeable players
>>315748457
Dodonpachi would be one of the games I would buy the soundtrack for if it was released on Steam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTULh-dP2ek
>>315756624
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0TWkQBx4qw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2FDGa11A3c
>>315755995
It's even easier than deathsmiles 1 and the graphics are awful. But I hear the music and scoring system are good or something.
>>315753694
Oh now that's a classic shmup.
>>315754491
>that list
Muneshihimesama is good and all but isn't it kinda overrated to put it at first place?
>>315755567
>implying there are people who actually play Touhou
>>315759413
I've also heard people say Battle Garegga is the best shmup of all time.
>>315755567
The ones who actually played the games probably bought the release as well.
>>315759618
I would put it very high on my personal list, pretty cool game, high level play however...
>>315755567
I'll be honest I bought Mushihimesama in hope for Deathsmiles.I'm just too casual, Deathsmiles is the only game I managed to 1CC.
>>315759779
Manipulating the rank system is still a pain in the ass at the moment to me.
>>315759618
Did you even look at the list?
>>315761208
Yes I saw the list, yet somehow it being #2 makes me scratch my head.
>>315759618
>bullets are tiny and often have the same color as the background
Its a fun game, but sooo many bullshit deaths.
>>315761764
You scratch yourself at it being ranked the second best shmup of all-time? It's not like it's far down on the list. It's been rated number one in previous years.
>>315762121
>It's been rated number one in previous years.
Exactly. Nothing against Mushihimesama Futari but this game managing to bump that down amazes me.
>>315761939
I heard the Saturn version lets you use a different bullet color
>>315763189
It's just a one spot difference. I'm guessing Futari went to #1 when it was released on 360 and more people got their hands on it.
Is there a shmup general on /vg/?
>>315764213
Nope, they don't tend to last I heard
>>315720962
>Place monitor on side
>Change resolution from 1920x1080 to 1080x1920
Problem solved.
mega link where
>>315764472
Fuck off and go jerk off over Touhou.
Don't forget Raiden IV got also ported and it's really gud.
>>315764587
I never mentioned Touhou though
I just want to try out the game before deciding if its worth it
>>315764767
I associate poorfags with Touhou-fags. You know the game is rated highly, so if you know you like shmups, you know it's worth it.
>>315764213
I think there is usually one on /vr/ though.
>>315744272
That's like the only picture. As far as I know there's none or extremely little mushihime porn, even less so with /ss/
Is it a good idea to try and 1cc novice first or should I give normal all of my attention?
>>315768093
Go for novice so that you learn
>you'll never git gud at shmups
>and learn japanese
>>315768093
when you get confident at novice swap to normal, you can get good faster by having to overcome higher odds against you. dont keep working on 1ccing stuff when you could easily 2cc it, instead pump up the difficulty and keep improving, one day you'll go back to novice and clear it without losing a life.excuse the grammar and punctuation, green tea accident has rendered me left handed only.
>>315741073
>What is Jamestown?
My friend can 1CC on Original Mushi but he can't 1CC LoLK, where does this put him on skill level?
>>315769807
It's one of the easiest Cave games/mode to beat.
>>315747638
>>315770156
Lol thought so, I've been trying Maniac myself.
>>315768093
The border between each difficulty is spaced reasonably. Ultra will always be tough compared to Original, but going from Novice/Ultra to Original/Original will be less jarring since the speeds are the same.
Something I do to rapidly improve is to go into really hard modes and try my best and then dial back the difficulty to what I planned to do to begin with. I made it to Stage 5 Arrange and got my shit pushed in, then went back to Original/Maniac and things were a breeze.
>>315764767
google mushihimesama skidrow and click the first link
>>315747638
Where's DOJ Death Label
>>315747638
where does Chinese Donpachi rank in there?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO2Ym2l0qvo#t=4m30s
>>315763501
>It's just a one spot difference.
That's why it doesn't annoy me as much as it's written.
>>315770562
Near the top
>>315747638
I don't understand how Mushihimesama Arrange isn't higher taking into account that final boss. It's stupid hard.
Did they fix it?
>>315770562
Never played the PS2 ver., but it's white label. Shots are faster than white label's initial loop so it'd be above DOJ WL 2-ALL. Considering the entire second loop needs to be done with a single life it would be at the very top to 2-ALL Death Label.
There's also two Hibachis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8JBDyFC9BE#t=460
>>315771134
Probably alongside Dodonpachi 2-ALL. Donpachi is hard to analyze from a single video since rank control is a thing.
>>315772154
Yeah, the last boss is Ultra difficulty/health, but getting there is a breeze compared to those above it, with the exception of maybe DFK bomb styles.
Is there a reason why people are playing this just now?
Is it because it's on Steam? I played it on MAME years ago.
Danmaku aren't very good shmups though.
>>315772978
Flavor of the week. We won't see any more threads in a few days once people realize it's too tough.
>>315773125
but how the fuck is this game flavor of the week when it was available for so long?
is steam really that strong in making people's opinions and tastes change?
like, if I release the shitty Mario DOS game on Steam people are suddenly going to like it even though it's been available for free since the early 90s?
How to deal with fast bullets? It feels like I die just because some extra fast bullet killed me in mere second and I could not see it.
>>315773543
>is steam really that strong in making people's opinions and tastes change?
Yes. Most people who use the service just tide with sales and rarely leave its comfort zone. That's why you see garbage like 100% OJ pop up on the front page of /v/ when they're on sale.
>>315747638
What's the difference between Mushihimesama Arrange and 1.5?
>>315772978
>>315773543
People saw that it was a) available for purchase on PC and b) reminded of its existence due to this.
This sorta stuff happens all the fucking time, how's it so surprising? It's not like this thread is JUST discussing Mushi either, its a general shmup/danmaku thread.
>>315773543
Before this release to get this game legally you either needed to go out of your way to get a japanese 360 or play the obscure ps2 port. The game is now widely available in a popular platform, of course it's more popular.
>>315773750
100% OJ isn't garbage though
>>315773750
>>315773848
>>315773863
I see, I guess I underestimated Steam. I don't understand why, but it evidently works.
Now I must find a way to put up the DOS Mario game on it and make people pay for it.
>>315716262
I already have a lot of shmups backlogged and I'm a hypercasual who can't clear any of them, so I'm not sure I want to pay full price for yet another ego thrashing even if it's CAVE.
>>315772978
This sort of shallow I-was-here-first elitism is why people can't stand shmup threads.
>Releasing an old arcade game on PC through Steam is bad
Seriously?
>>315772978
So you pirated and played a badly emulated version years ago? Good for you.
>>315773543
> undertale
Are the Steam backgrounds just background from the game, not game art? What a blunder, if so.
>>315772978
>Is there a reason why people are playing this just now?
It was just released on Steam
>Is it because it's on Steam? I played it on MAME years ago.
This is the first time the HD re-release is available for international customers. It's only been available on iOS for international customers before. Not everyone pirates games.
>Danmaku aren't very good shmups though.
You're in the minority with your opinion.
>>315774561
That guy is just a fucking cunt, but the main reason is shitposters like the ones who got banned earlier on in the thread.
Quick question:
Should I buy this or play the PS2 version?
I have a ye olde Eurofag CRT capable of displaying 240p RGB if that makes a difference.
PS. Reco is a cutie.
>>315774581
Not bad per se, I'm just surprised it works. I never used Steam but I thought people used it to play modern shooters and the like. I'm surprised people are paying for old games I played for free ages ago.
>>315775042
PC version is in HD and has more content. No reason to get the PS2 version.
>>315775142
>I thought people used it to play modern shooters and the like.
Missed the whole indie game thing?
>>315773786
>Arrange:
- Start at 300,000 multiplier with MAX power.
- Similar to Futari Black Label, you have to point blank to boost your multiplier (higher gem value if enemies are killed close to Reco).
- TLB is always encountered when playing this, an Ultra level difficulty boss.
>Cave Matsuri 1.5:
- Different visuals and sounds.
- Gems are drawn in once shot is released.
- Original: Similar to Futari Black Label Original. Rank tied to gem counter, with changes once you pass 10,000 (green outline, moderate speed bullets) and 50,000 (yellow outline, fast speed bullets). Counterstop at 99,999.
- Maniac/Ultra: Same as Original variants but now with point blanking (higher gem value if enemies are killed close to Reco).
- 6 weapon configurations: -M/W/S (Original) and MAX variant.
MAX 1.5:
- You start fully loaded with 4 options and MAX Power.
- Autobomb.
- You only get one bomb.
>>315775042
I played the PS2 version pretty extensively for years and it feels so much different to play Mushihimesama HD with correct slowdown accuracy. If you can play the PS2 version for free, do that. It's like 60-80 USD for the game itself. Otherwise pick this up.
>>315775142
You're far from the only person to ever have heard of MAME or to have pirated old arcade shmups. Some people don't actually mind paying for things.
>>315775142
I love how you act high and mighty when you didn't put a single quarter inside a Mushimesama machine.
>>315775142
You're surprised? Really, you're surprised? Jesus what a fucking moron. You fucking pirated a game not previously available in the west.
>>315775296
>>315775473
Cool. Thanks.
Will pick up the PC version then.
>>315770535
>tfw can't beat stage 1 in one credit in Original
Feels bad to be a casual.
>>315775042
I'd probably get the PC version. I definitely have to check that out at one point.
>PS. Reco is a cutie.
And rain is wet.
>>315775383
I only know about the Fez developer scandal thing, I thought indie died then.
>>315775550
I don't mind paying for things, but I only pay for physical.
>>315775781
I'm not acting high and mighty, then again, it's hard to interpret people's tone over the internet.
>>315775784
Yes I am surprised.
>>315775781
>he didn't make his own candy cab
come through nigga
>>315775945
:(
Try out Novice before you dip into Original. It's pretty tough to clear on any mode on Original.
>>315776219
>scandal
That wasn't a scandal. Don't take everything posted on /v/ as gospel.
>>315776464
He's right though. Phil Fish is a hack with no talent. He probably think Mushihimesama is a shit game too. That says a lot about him.
>>315776464
For a long time I thought that this "/v/ is irrelevant, don't take /v/'s word" thing was real, but then I started noticing that /v/ is really not all that different from other videogame communities.
I've seen people still shitting on Phil Fish for being a cunt on places that aren't /v/. The guy just fucked up his reputation.
>>315776219
>I thought indie died then.
It couldn't be more alive, there are a shit ton of indies on Steam, hell, even on this board you must have heard of Shovel Knight, Undertale, Binding of Isaac, etc.
>>315776854
FEZ is objectively a good game. He may be a one-hit wonder, but he's not a hack.
>>315776873
Why is he a cunt though? It's been implanted into a lot of people's mind that "he's a cunt", but they can't explain why. It was just another witch-hunt because there was nothing else going on at that time.
Don't respond. Lets not derail the thread any further/again.
So far I am loving the port. I've had only some graphical issues with stage 4, but otherwise everything's been good so far, accurate. Cleared original, maniac, arrange... Gonna tackle 1.5 now, which is fucking amazing, but shamefully DLC.
But I guess I will return to DOJBL after that, since ultra is way beyond my score. Gotta get that 2-ALL.
I just wish they'd port some other games for Steam, like Ibara which doesn't have an adequate port, or something that doesn't have a port at all, like ESP.ra.de. 1.5 version that doesn't have shitty boss-milking. But I am dubious that it will ever happen, since the company is already in very bad shape.
A man can dream...
>>315777439
They've said if the releases are successful on Steam, they might make new ports or even make new games. They are obviously gonna put out the 360 ports first though.
>Touhou discussion
>now Fez
Mushihimesama threads are weird.
>>315777260
>Why is he a cunt
he acted like a disrespectful rockstar even though he is a nobody and only made 1 irrelevant indie game
>>315778047
Cool, so you're just another person who does not know the full story but wants to be one of the cool kids.
>>315773591
Play enough until you can either keep track of fast bullets better or know all the enemy attacks/spawn points so dodging them becomes second nature.
I made a thread without realising one was already here, so I'm gonna repost it ITT:
>This game (Mushihimesama) came out on Steam recently and I've been enjoying it, and it made me realise that even though Gradius Gaiden is my favourite game of all time, I've basically never delved into the shmup genre.
>What shmups do you like? I picked up Crimzon Clover, Astebreed and Danmaku Unlimited 2. I also love Gradius Gaiden as mentioned, and the Parodius games are great fun too. I'd love to know what I'm missing out on - bullet hell or not, side-scrolling, top-down, any platform - it doesn't matter.
Thanks guys.
>have bombs
>don't use them
Why god
>>315777260
>but he's not a hack
Yes he is. He literally stole the idea from a Japanese games and acted like it was his.
>>315778245
Take a look at the games in this list.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=53159
>>315777439
goddamn why does it look so sexy in webm form.
Wish DOJ and all its forms were next for steam. Can't get enough of that game.
>>315778245
Zanac.
Recca.
Hydorah (Gradius clone, you will enjoy this): http://www.locomalito.com/hydorah.php
Sweet summer child.
>>315778245
ALLTYNEX Second, Kamui and Reflex. They're all about utilizing the abilities you're given more so than dodging bullets. You can get rid of most bullets in all the games, in fact. The scoring systems in all of them are very simple but very addictive. They are quite easy though.
>>315778378
>>315778459
Thank you friends. Forgot about R-Type too.
Time to get buried in bullets.
>>315778245
espgaluda
>>315778179
What full story?
A japanese guy on a press conference asked him something, and Phil Fish replied in a disrespectful way, even though he wasn't a rockstar or a star soccer player.
Then there was the whole drama on Twitter where Fish sperged out, but I admittedly didn't follow that shit, I don't care.
>>315777809
Hoping so. They have been neglecting PC for so long, so here's hoping that it's not too late.
I heard lot of their old programmers left for M2, but if IKD is still in, there's probably still capabilities for some new shmups. Haven't liked direction of newer games. Too much pandering with girls and whatnot.
Of course, I would suck big dicks for new YGW game- provided it doesn't involve pig-girls.
>>315773591
Keep moving and if that fails, memorize.
>>315777260
>Suck my dick
>Choke on it
Generally, he acted like a total upstuck cunt over twitter, and later on threw shitfit over the response he got and told that he canceled Fez 2.
I haven't played Fez, but I heard it is good game.
>>315778275
Learning to plan bombs is important, since lot of the time you don't have the reaction to use them. Plus, flying without any bombs left is liberating, since you can do all sorts of daring maneuvers out of shitty situations.
>>315778245
>>315778245
DOJ's my favourite shmup. It is probably one of their best work. It has its flaws, but I have grown really fond of it. It is also probably my best game, since I am probably getting a 2-ALL soon ( got to Hibachi once, now in progress of getting gud at 2nd loop )
Other games I would recommend:
>Ibara or Battle Garegga
>Kamui ( on Steam, go gettit )
>XOP Black ( earlier versions on insane )
>Crimzon Clover
>Raiden Jet Fighters
All these shmups lately have been resparking my love for shmups again. Might make another one, too.
>>315778245
The other Gradius games?
>>315778884
That's what you've been told. That's not the full context of what happened at that panel. He was not the only person on that panel.
>but I admittedly didn't follow that shit, I don't care.
So lets leave it.
>>315778975
That was in response to a person who was acting like a total cunt though. People are never satisfied no matter how the developers act. They can't act fake and they can't be themselves. No matter what personality you have, it's going to get overblown and twisted by the internet.
>>315778245
>>315778459
>zanac
my nigga
parsec47 is another good randomized bullet hell stg. i can't even play other shooters now since i realized they're all memorization fests
>>315779025
Gradius Gaiden includes them all.
>>315779079
No, I remember back when it happened, I watched the video, and I even remember reading comments later by the japanese press guy, I remember he was a bro and wasn't even mad at Fish.
I don't see how other people being on the panel changes anything.
Fish isn't a rockstar, he didn't even make anything other than Fez, I don't see why he feels he's entitled to treat act disrespectful toward press, he should be grateful people care about his shit. He probably wanted to act controversial to gain fame, but it didn't work for him, people ended up hating him.
The twitter drama when he said Fez 2 was cancelled and everyone laughed at him was the final nail on his coffin.
>>315779352
>>315779079
Will you fuck off already?
>>315745972
Blue Wish Resurrection is great. There is also Blue Wish Resurrection Plus (or something like that) that you can get from some forum. The shmup.com one I think?
>>315779467
Not Gradius V
>>315779352
Except that's not true for the vast majority of indie devs. Just manchildren like Phil Fish.
>>315779475
You heard part of Fish's response, you did not hear the full conversation. There was a discussion between the panelists and they all agreed that modern Japanese games are not what they used to be. I don't see how anyone can deny that, but that's not the point.
He was asked a question about something and answered it.
>>315779684
That happens for a lot of devs. It happened for the "poor" dev who asked Phil Fish the question at the panel even. Fish's mistake was that he did not put his tail between his legs and run away when the witch hunt started, instead he fueled the fire.
>aware Rome wasn't built in a day
>still frustrating as hell to not make any progress and die stupidly
My first run I didn't die or bomb until stage 3, then stage 3 happened, and then I game over'd on stage 4. So then I practiced stage 3 for an hour until I could do it without dying and bombing. Now on my runs I'm doing worse than my first run, even on stage 3.
I don't want to credit-feed (I only do score attack and don't use continues), but is that a better way to practice?
>>315780004
>That happens for a lot of devs
No it doesn't, unless your definition of "a lot" is a few people here and there. The vast, vast majority of indie devs don't have this problem even if you just count the most popular games. Most devs don't make a spectacle out of themselves in the first place, because they aren't idiots.
>>315780004
moder japanese games include stuff like Dark Souls and Bayonetta, so I don't know, man.
Also, regardless of the topic, or if japanese games suck or not, Fish acted like a rockstar. he was full of himself.
He got what he deserved. Public hate.
>>315780230
That's pretty normal, especially if you've been playing for a while without stopping. Take a break and come back later. For me the most effective way is to do full runs every time unless something specific is giving me trouble. That way I do my best on the later stages and practice the early stages to the point where I can do them in my sleep. It also gives you a good reason to improve your score since the early stages become very boring to play through otherwise.
>>315778459
>Hydorah
MY NIGGA
Am I a faggot for not really caring about scoring in shmups? I'm hardly good enough at them to 1cc them, so scoring just doesn't appeal to me. It's kind of why I bounce around between shmups all the time.
>"Fez is good" shitposter
Can't you shitposters leave this thread fucking alone?
>>315780656
You're doing yourself a disservice. Trying to beat your own scores is the most fun way to work towards a 1cc. Trying hard to maximize your score on the early stages usually gives you extends along with making it more engaging. Instead of doing the same boring routine that stopped giving you any challenge ages ago, you're constantly thinking about how to improve your score and trying to do it. In games with good scoring systems there will always be room for improvement and you'll always feel like you're making progress.
>>315780247
He specifically singled out those games as good games though. There are a lot of people who can't see clearly on this website and can't listen to reason. Take Capcom, they are a joke compared to what they were in the 90's and 00's.
>>315780242
It wasn't a spectacle to begin with, it was an unjustifiable witch-hunt. It became one when he didn't back down to trolls.
We're obviously not gonna agree. So lets just forget about it and get back on topic. I know it's a controversial opinion to not hate Fish on here.
What game is everyone hoping they are porting to Steam this Christmas? I'm pulling for the Muchi Muchi Pork! / Pink Sweets combo as I've always wanted to play them but was short on funds when it came out.
>>315781030
>Take Capcom, they are a joke compared to what they were in the 90's and 00's.
Yeah of course Capcom will never be as great as they were in the 80s and 90s. Most of their talent left in the mid 00s.
Anyway, how is western industry any better? I agree the japanese industry is a shadow of its former self, but the western industry is rotten to the core.
>>315781025
I subtly do some scoring stuff and I never do the same thing on each run.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that since my progress on shmups have never been all that great, I try to take every level as I can. Mushihimesama is really the first shmup that I've come close to making very conscious decisions in regards to score because I find the feel of the game to be very appealing.
At the same time I realize that it is also part of me being lazy. I've never really tried to analyze the score systems in shmups. I kind of take them as it is from pure mechanical stand-point because I'm just not that great at them.
>>315781030
I'm hoping for Dodonpachi Daifukkatsu Black Label since it was the first Cave game I played on MAME and I loved it from the first minute.
>>315781578
Yeah I know how you feel. It takes a game with a very intuitive and deep system to make you realize just how much fun playing for score can be. It wasn't until I played RayForce did I realize it myself.
>>315780656
Nah, scoring is only for enthusiasts. Survival should be the end goal of any player, though. Scoring ties into survival, but if it's a distraction then don't bother. Enjoy the game first and foremost. Fancy stuff can come when you can beat it in your sleep.
I would buy the shit out of this game right now but Ikaruga has taught me how much of a shitter I am at shmups. I'll buy it in the future for cheap to remember just how crap I am at these games.
>>315782001
What does that even mean? Do you expect to be able to clear a shmup on your first attempt or something? Everybody sucks at them, then they practice a lot and get better. And so will you if you dedicate some time to it.
>>315782001
If you want the OST, it's best to buy it now since the game is 25% off and comes with the OST for free (normally 5€).
>>315782181
Ikaruga is a mess of a game that will turn any player off. A shame really, considering this is an actually good title.
>>315782001
Ikaruga is not your typical shmup.
>>315782181
It took me 30 hours to 1cc Exceed 3 normal (which was my favorite shmup ever and people say it's a bit on the easy side), so I'm not that optimistic about these things.
What is Matsuri mode and is it worth the money?
>>315782345
It's a puzzle game more than a regular shmup, I think it's unfair to call it a 'mess'.
>>315720514
>windows xp
top gag
>>315782509
But 30 hours is perfectly normal for someone who isn't too experienced with the genre.
>>315781030
Ibara, DOJBL, DFKBL/Ketsuipachi. Those are what I am lusting after.
>>315781908
Personally, they sort of intermingle. You start out with survival, then start learn scoring for stages for that you have down survival-wise. Becomes less boring that way, too. Plus sometimes it just happens while learning to survive, as well. That's how I learned most of 2-5 chain in DOJBL.
>>315782001
Ikaruga's a strange fruit anyway. Mushi is more traditional, has novice modes, plus original mode is easier than Ikaruga on easy.
>>315782236
It is only the 1.0 OST + some other tracks. Doesn't contain 1.5 or arrange-stuff.
>>315782648
It is an arranged version of sort. 1.5, various changes, see >>315775473
Worth every penny, especially if you buy it in the bundle.
Why is the music sound quality of 1.5 ver so fucked?
It was the same with X360 port when it was released, and was fixed in a patch.
The fuck CAVE? Literally it's hard for me to imagine how something like this happens, TWICE
>>315782648
>What is Matsuri mode and is it worth the money?
see >>315775473
I think it's worth because it has music arranged by Ryu Umemoto, but for the average player (who doesn't really like shooting games) the base game is enough and 1.5 will be a waste. Compare:
Namiki (Original): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAwBx8sxxlA
Umemoto (Arrange): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaZhoulRHhQ
I'm just not a fan of that sort of experimentation in Ikaruga, so it's a mess to me.
>>315782935
Thank you, I missed that post somehow.
I am not a hardcore shmupper and I expect Original mode to be more my speed: is it definitely worth purchasing 1.5 if the main differences are scoring and 'hardcore' modes?
>>315783287
It is still worth purchasing, no matter your skill level. It's way more vibrant than the main game in my opinion (it looks more colorful, bullets have nice glow in some modes etc.).
To me and many others it's literally a version 1.5, an upgraded version compared to 1.0.
Especially worth it if/when they fix the sound quality of the 1.5 version soundtrack. Right now it's mono and shit quality like >>315782954 said.
tldr: yes, get it, worth it.
Any rumours on the other games Cave are bringing to steam? Mushihimesama 2, DoDonPachi, Pink Sweets, Pork etc
>>315783287
Hard to say. It feels better in almost every aspect - mostly scoring-wise. There are some changes in stages as well.
IMO it is worth of money. The changes are not not staggering to you probably. OST's good but has the sound problem described.
>>315784243
2 more planned for now, more if they are successful. I highly doubt one of them is gonna be Futari.
>>315741413
I don't know if I count since I love all bullet hells, but am very much a memespouting, armpit fetishizing Touhoufag, but I bought Mushihimesama as soon as they fixed the Week 1 sale and I'm enjoying it. To be fair, I played it on iOS and burned a copy of the PS2 version, but it's great playing it on my sorely underused gaymen PC in tate mode. Here's hoping CAVE releases many more of their games on Steam
>>315784528
>but am very much a memespouting, armpit fetishizing Touhoufag
Why anon, why.
At least tell me you keep it contained to /jp/.
>>315784528
>but am very much a memespouting, armpit fetishizing Touhoufag
At least you admit it.
Since this thread is here, I've been playing DDP Daioujou and trying to get a 1-ALL, but I just noticed there's a difficulty setting. Is there a standard for what I should have it set to?
>>315783590
>>315784305
Thanks, I think I'll pick it up then.
>>315784528
>but am very much a memespouting, armpit fetishizing Touhoufag
Don't give us a bad name, anon.
>>315785459
Being a degenerate is fun when you accept you'll never get laid. I keep it contained to mostly certain private Fagbook groups, but I'll post in /jp/ when I remember that board exists
>>315785919
>Don't give us a bad name, anon.
It's a little too late for that anon, but I agree.
>>315785820
Factory-defaults. Which I think are medium-difficulty, 3 lives, extends at 10 & 30 mils for WL, 20 and 50 for BL, from top of my head.
The difficulty slider doesn't do much, though, since it mostly affects rank.
>>315786223
>medium-difficulty
So Hard, then?
>>315786223
The amount of enemy bullets is increased too.
>>315732453
She's going to protect that smile wheter you want it or not.
>>315786663
Should be medium or normal.
Also
>16 hour old thread
>497 replies
I like this. I like it a lot.
>Finally 1cc the game on novice
>no achievement
>score isn't saved.
I-t's not like I had a hard time or anything.
>>315787778
There's only Easy, Normal, Hard, and Very Hard, though.
>>315787778
This is by far the most boring bullet pattern I've ever seen. I mean it's hard, yeah, but it's not very interesting
>>315788332
>There's only Easy, Normal, Hard, and Very Hard, though.
>Normal
Well, there you go.
>>315788286
Should have picked up an achievement for that. 1CC is across both modes (Novice/Original), even the Ultra Mania one (clear stage 3 without continuing on Ultra) can be done on Novice.
How does it compare to Crimson Clover? I kind of got my fill of bullet hell games with it recently, debating if I should pick up another one
>>315788928
Great, I guess I was good all along then. Thanks for the help.
>>315787778
I hate Aki's final attack pattern. I can never figure him out before self destructing.
