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TALES THREAD
>>315636039
Shit girl. Shit game.
![tov_judith_by_lunaticjoker[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uq11pun.jpg "tov_judith_by_lunaticjoker[1].jpg")
>>315636039
I'd go swimming with Judith.
If you know what I mean.
>>315636039
Mikleo is best girl. Edna's second place.
Create your Tales Party!
Hero:
Heroine:
Hero's childhood friend:
Senior Citizen:
Shota/Loli:
Traitor:
Animal/Mascot:
>>315636826
>Hero
Guy
>Heroine
Karol
>Hero's childhood friend
Jade
>Senior Citizen
Alexei
>Shota/Loli
Anise
>Traitor
Raven
Animal/Mascot
Collete
Am I hearing what I think I'm hearing in this piece?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1vtJqllVGo
>>315636039
post mikleo version
>>315636039
I liked tales of xilia because it let me be a little girl.
>>315636826
Just insert the Tales of Vesperia cast.
I want to fuck Mordio.
>>315636496
Great little body on her though.
>>315636826
>Hero:
Raven
>Heroine:
Rita
>Hero's childhood friend:
Asch
>Senior Citizen:Disco Lord Dhaos
>Shota/Loli:
Presea
>Traitor:
Yuri
>Animal/Mascot:
Sophie
one loved a furry the other had a thing for spirits
Oh yeah and I wanted to lick Symmone's flat chest too. Honestly the only good thing about the game were the hot little girls which really reactivated my long dormant loli fetish. Now I remember little girls are the best and full blown women are trash.
>>315638620
horny lolis are the best
![tumblr_mhcjxzde7O1rymizto1_500[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/RTES6zX.jpg "tumblr_mhcjxzde7O1rymizto1_500[1].jpg")
>>315637978
D-do they go on post Vesperia adventures, doing cool things with Rita doting on and worrying about Raven and his heart, and being super tsun about it?
>>315636826
Are we using Tales characters, or can we asspull from whatever series, because I wanna asspull from whatever series.
Hero: Kai (100% OJ)
Heroine: Marie Poppo (100% OJ)
Hero's childhood friend: Lord Momonga
Senior Citizen: Fog (Eternia)
Shota/Loli: Meru (Legend of Dragoon)
Traitor: SPACE DANDY
Animal/Mascot: Shun (Ar Tonelico 2)
>>315638757
Inbetween crazy worldhopping adventures with armies of lolis, superancient disco organisms, Asch and his countless replicas and a Yuri who seems intent on robbing Raven blind, yes, a lot.
theyhold hands and go dokidokiat the end of the game.
>>315638834
>Traitor: SPACE DANDY
>implying DANDY would ever be a traitor, baby
>>315639159
>spoiler
I love you.But why does Yuri want to rob them?
>>315639265
He would if he thinks the main crew is up to no good, or the villain has an amazing booty.
>>315639265
As if he wouldn't sell somebody out for poontang. You're thinking of Johnny Bravo who actually is loyal. Based American.
>>315639265
He's a traitor becuase the main character is secretly the BAD GUY, and Dandy saves the mother fucking day.
I want toplayhergameinEnglish
>>315639451
Raven drank Brave Vesperia's coffers dry and bailed again. He didn't mean to (bailing, the drinking binge was fully intended), but he literally tripped into an adventure and he couldn't back out by then.i just never liked yuri and wanted an excuse to beat his shitty face in, sue me
Butt seriously
how do you fuck up a sandwich
Using this thread to ask my question.
In Zestirira, pretty sure im near the end of the game on normal. Do i need to do all this equipment grinding nonsense and get +99 on everything to beat the game? Or is that just an ng+ hard mode thing
>>315639756
Nobody's got time for that shit and the game isn't good enough to merit that level of autistic dedication anyway.
anyone else exploiting the skills in zestiria?
if you just constantly stack rangus and use a mystic arte you pretty much win the game
honestly, I wish they made it more balanced being the 20th year anniversary game
>>315639876
Without really spoiling anything plot related, what is the post game? Random bosses and stuff like that?
>>315639756
No, that only matters if you're doing a hard+ difficulty mode or doing NG+, a normal playthrough on moderate or below doesn't require much thought in terms of gear choices. You still want to look at your gear and choose wisely but you don't have to grind or anything.
I managed to finish just fine on moderate at level 63 with really random gear, Sorey was mostly def and the rest I honestly paid no attention to their bonus skills.
>>315640106
What do you mean by post game? I beat the game and beat every boss and optional boss and sidequest and the way there and just stopped when it was mercifully over. Was gonna play the DLC to really hundred percent the bastard but someone told me it sucks, ends on a cliffhanger that will now never be resolved and is just an eleven fucking floor dungeon besides. Fuck all that. I paid my dues and now I'm done with this things. Now I just want to lust over the little girls with you guys.
>>315639618
who
>>315640350
You should at least play the DLC for the feels. The dungeon is a pain in the ass to get through and the bosses royally kicked my ass but the story bits are worth it, bring tissues.It does end on a massive cliffhanger that in a way casts doubt on the main games ending, unfortunately any chance we have of knowing more is lost forever.
I assume post game is referencing the EX dungeon where you fight a bunch of bosses including cameo battles.
>>315640350
>Now I just want to lust over the little boys
You seemed to have made a mistake, so I fixed it for you.
>>315640723
>It does end on a massive cliffhanger that in a way casts doubt on the main games ending, unfortunately any chance we have of knowing more is lost forever.
Then why bother? Fuck that shit, I don't want feels that then end up unresolved.
>>315640727
Full disclosure Mikleo was the first...I'm straight, you know? Or I thought I was. Didn't even like traps. I'd fuck Mikleo, he looks soft and womanly. And his personality really shines because WOW he's surrounded by horrible harpies.
>>315640848
It resolves Alica and Rose's characters and that's all that really matters. It also closes the book on Symonne in a good way.
At least watch it on youtube.
>>315640848
Emotionally things get resolved, it's justa pretty big reminder that there are still evil entities out there and apparently they still have plans that involve Sorey and his friends. Frankly the can of worms they open feels far too big to be concluded in 1-2 more DLC episodes, that's what I find confusing about it.
>voiced by Francesca Luchini
>NEVER EVER being localized
Fucking why.
>>315641008
I took it as the opposite, it doesn't close the book but shows us that shes still interested in fucking with people.
>>315637413
>Heroine
>Karol
I laughed way harder than I shouldve at this
>>315642589
Don't you know, anon.
The Beauty Corp is invincible.
>>315636826
>Hero: Ludger
>Heroine: Alt. Milla(because they are my Tales OTP)
>Hero's childhood friend: Pascal (or Zaveid, dunno who would be cooler)
>Senior Citizen: Miyvin, that imortal old man from Zestiria
>Shota/Loli: Sophie. If two, add Elise.
>Traitor: Luke (long hair version)
>Animal/Mascot: motherfucking Tenebrae!
>Hero:
Judith
>Heroine:
Tear
>Hero's childhood friend:
Rita
>Senior Citizen:
Raine
>Shota/Loli:
Edna
>Traitor:
Alisha
>Animal/Mascot:
Anise and Bear
Tales of Yuri
So why isn't Ludger ending canon?
>>315643632
>Tales of Yuri
>no Yuri Lowell
baka desu senpai
>>315644165killing your daughter from an alternative timeline is bad anoneven if you just make a new one later
>Thanks to japan throwing a fit we will never get the true ending to Zestiria and the planned connections with Berseria will be cut
thanks
>>315647101
thats a good thing anon. Now they won't sell berseria in DLC episode.
>>315647445
They could have at least demanded the rest of the script be released. It bothers me that they are just going to leave it like that.
>>315647792
>>315647792
As much as I enjoyed the game. I rather not have tales go in that direction like the DLC cosmetics.
>>315638458
One shot party members in the back, the other was blue balled in multiple games.
Will Ali Baba ever make a Xillia 2 spinoff where you are allowed to do anything to anyone in a fractured dimension?
>>315648001
I wouldn't mind DLC cosmetics as much if they managed to add a lot of lore friendly ones you could unlock within the game. DLC in general really has no place in the JRPG genre though.
>>315636496
Shit series too.
>>>/vg/
So will we ever know what happens?
>>315648404
I just want to know who that guy at the end was.
>>315648404
At this point I think our only chance is the anime but they've already stated they won't change the ending. Although, giving us the rest of the information technically isn't changing anything.
>>315645896
But I don't even like her. Ludger can make a better one.
>>315648624
You mean the guy at the tomb?
>>315636826
>>Hero:
Ludger
>Heroine:
Sophie
>Hero's childhood friend:
Flynn
>Senior Citizen:
Jade
>Shota/Loli:
Elize
>Traitor:
Richter
>Animal/Mascot:
a zoid
>>315648985
*Tombstone.
>>315648860but that's morallincorrect
>>315648985
>>315649104
Yeah.
Who the fuck was that?
>>315649050
Why Ludger? I'm almost done with Xillia 2 but him being mute kinda feels off. Maybe because im not much of a self insert guy?
>>315649413
Despite being mostly silence, Ludger is quite a fun character and is a good straight man for bullshit. Plus Ludger had it pretty rough, he has a personality you just have to pay attention to it.For instances when your level with Muzet is high enough and you read his journal it will show he has a crush on her.
>>315649820
I've been only linking with her. How much does it actually take? Also all choices I made were pro Muzet.
>>315648404
In Zestiria?
What do you mean? It was explained.Sorey kills the Lord of Calamity, then he takes Lord of Light place as his vessel to ensure that the Malevolence is cleared and doesnt spread anymore. Sorey falls into a coma.
Rose then starts the Sheperd Guild to get rid of whatever Malevolence monster are left. It takes 700 years till Sorey can wake up again to a world with no Malevolence.
>>315649973
I don't remember, I think it was after one of her missions, can't remember which one. Her support skill was amazing though and her and Jude made the best buddies you could link with.I still haven't figured out how Gaius works and I beat the game awhile ago.
>>315636826
I'll show you a proper list:
>Hero:
Veigue
>Heroine:
Kanonno
>Hero's childhood friend:
Illia
>Senior Citizen:
Kratos
>Shota/Loli:
Suzu
>Traitor:
Asch
>Animal/Mascot:
Tenebrae
>>315650197
I meant all the interim stuff.
Like this>>315648624
>>315636826
>>Hero:
Asbel
>Heroine:
Cheria
>Hero's childhood friend:
Jude
>Senior Citizen:
Malik
>Shota/Loli:
Sophie
>Traitor:
Zelos
>Animal/Mascot:
Tenebrae
>Villain
Yuri
>>315650271
I thought I had figured out how the game worked.
Only to see a video when some guy playing it making 60K aerial combos...
>>315649820
Flirting with Muzet was one of my favorite skits in that game. Just something about her got my dick rock solid half the time she was on the screen.
>>315650391
Well like I said, its heavily implied that it was Sorey.
Sorey did say he would come back.
The guy also saves Mikleo the same way Sorey does at the start of the game.
The guy is also wearing Sorey's gloves if I remember well.
It cant be anyone else.
Only thing I dont know if Sorey became a Seraphim or is still a human, because by the shadow you can tell Sorey has an older stature.
>>315650834
Sorry.
I'm talking about the guy at the grave.
Tomb wasn't the best word.
The guy that saves Mikleo is obviously Sorey.
>>315636039
Started Zeristitria today and wow the story sucks.
Camera isn't great either. It had a nice atmosphere at first, but once main char became Shepard it went way down.
I haven't played Tales games for 6 or 8 years. Does this game game gets better, or is it the current state of the series?
>>315650773
Ludger can get DMC CRAZY but I for the life of me, can't remember the placement of all the skills on three different weapons so it is important for me.
>>315650789
Xillia 1, Muzet was an unstoppable force controlling my dick. All those tethering skits with Jude was amazing.
>>315651160
Muzet for life my brother. She truly is the only one that deserves my linkage
>>315651150
Nah, it doesn't really get better. I put about 8 hours into it, realized the combat never gets better, the MC remains a retard, the story never goes anywhere, and the dungeons are garbage (with admittedly really cool soundtracks sometimes).
Glad I pirated it first.
>>315651018
>grave
Dude, are you talking about Rose's grave?
It is her grave, they put her daggers there and everything.
The reason they show her die is because her lifespan was shortened for being a Shepherd and using the powers for so long.
For more proof you can see that she is the only one who isnt among the characters at the grave.
>>315651558
Yeah, but that's not Sorey.
Can't be.
>>315651396
I have to say the Xillia set of games have some of my favorite characters.I loved Graces, it is in my top five Tales games.
>>315651160
>you will never tether with Muzet
There is nothing in this life for me.
>haven't played tales since Abyss
>pick up Zesty on a whim
>not good
>not bad
>firmly mediocre
>which is objectively worse than bad
hurrr let's spend more effort on king arthur references than the actual story.
I'm about to finish Graces f. I have Xillia 1 & 2, Symphonia 2 and Zestiria. Which one should I play next?
L A I L A H
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>>315651873
>>315652046
I'm playing Graces f right now and it's fucking great actually, why do people hate this game? The corridor world map bothers me but that's about it
>>315652081
Lailah is underrated. I liked her, Edna, and Zaveid the most. Rose was all right, but no one else interested me (except maybe a couple Sorey and Mikleo moments).
>>315651489
Great thing they ported it to PC.
I'm not going to risk it with PS3 versions then.
>>315651160
Muzet was such a fucking slut - she tethered with everyone. I can't believe Gaius is fine with getting keked like that.
>>315652046
First of all throw Symphonia 2 in the garbage. Then play Xilia I guess, Zestiria is pretty shitty too and should only be played if you have absolutely nothing else to play in the world.
>>315652281
Gaius is more beta than he looks.
>>315652081
RIP
Please explain in your own words why Arche is best girl
>>315652046
Symphonia 2 then Xillia 1 and 2 and then Zestiria. This is in no way talking about quality just how jarring it will be to play after playing others. Like Symphonia 2's battle system will already feel jarring as it is from going to Graces f to it. In this order, it just a bit smoother path.
>>315652231
Almost everyone loves the gameplay, is it just the story that seems to be a problem for people. I enjoyed it, Asbel yelling protect was endearing after awhile and the characters were fun.
>>315648001
do you prefer dlc that:
boosts your levels
boosts your gald income
boosts your grade
boosts your Xp gain
boosts your stats
because all of that exists in Zestiria
How do I start Alisha's chapter DLC?
>>315652046
burn Symphonia
then throw Zestiria out of the window
>>315636826
Hero: Cless
Heroine: Sophie
Hero's childhood friend: Sophie
Senior Citizen: Sophie
Shota/Loli: Sophie
Traitor: Zelos
Animal/Mascot: Sophie
>>315652527
I went from Vesperia to Legendia. I'm used to jarring.
Which Tales protagonist would win in a fight as they are at the beginning of the game?
>>315652727
Emulate Phantasia then
>>315652281
Jude is a slut, he tethered with Muzet first and then wanted all night tethering with Milla.
>>315652727
Well, the order still stands unless you want to start with the best experience to least enjoyable. Xillia 1 and 2 then Symphonia 2 to Zestiria.
>>315636826
Yuri
Tear
Reid
Rowen
Patty/SophieYeager
Dark Turtlez ala Zestiria
>>315652841
All of them? How else would you level up?
>>315652841
Either Asbel, Cress, or Stahn.
If we talk end game Ludger and Asbel shit on everyone else.
>>315652841
Jude.
His dodge skill would wreck everyone.
I want to fuck Edna's feet.
>>315653483
You can literally do the same thing with just side-stepping in Zestiria or even Graces. Snap Pivot is overrated as fuck.
>>315652841
>no Emil
Why the fuck not? Even being a side title he is placed in all other material.
>>315653483
>implying he's not as good as a wet nurse at the beginning
>>315653657
Snap Pivot gets you directly behind the enemy, side-stepping takes more time to get you directly behind.
>>315653371
Asbel is a kid at the start of the game.
>>315653987
I skip the childhood arc, fuck off fake Elle.
>Hero:
Malik
>Heroine:
Judith
>Hero's childhood friend:
Mikleo
>Senior Citizen:
Raven
>Shota/Loli:
Elize
>Traitor:
Alvin
>Animal/Mascot:
Rollo
>>315653371
Who is the strongest end game wise?
>>315653870
And for the purposes of gameplay in their respective games, it makes no difference. A power hit will just as easily punish the enemy.
Fuck, Snap Pivot isn't even OP in its own fucking game. It only works against enemies currently being targeted, dodgestepping in Zestiria works regardless of who's being targeted.
I'm not implying Zestiria has a better overall battle system. But Snap Pivot is overrated as fuck.
>>315652841
Let's see:
>Cless: Sword of Albane Training
>Stahn: Soldier Training
>Reid: Lazy fuck who has no motivation
>Kyle: No comment, but he's a shittier Stahn
>Lloyd: Self-taught double wooden sword style (for 2x attack!)
>Veigue: No comment
>Senel: He punches hard.
>Luke: Really shitty sword training from Van
>Luca: No comment
>Yuri: Former Royal Knight that warped the training from it into his own flashier style, mix of style and substance, but more style.
>Shing: No comment
>Asbel: worthless in the childhood arc, decent formal knight training otherwise.
>Jude: TELEPORT DODGE FISTS.
>Ludger: Professional dual blade user. Is being kept from being like his brother on purpose.
>Slay: He skinned boars alive for years using a ornamental sword. He's naive and aloof, but pretty fucking metal.
Hard call. Anyone that doesn't have formal knight training or isn't already professionally skilled is basically dead quick. Slay is scary, though.
>>315654308
Ludger.
>>315654365
Do one for endgame.
>>315654365
Senel was in the Navy, which is assumed to be where he learned to fight. His Frankenstein outfit is actually a uniform.
>>315654335
Jude is OP in Xillia 1, not only is Jude the fastest thing to live but with Snap Pivot, most boss fights leave Jude unscarred.
>>315654365
Senel is a "Marine" and child soldier. Him and Yuri probably have the most actual combat experience.
>>315654365
At the beginning of Hearts, Shing is being trained so he has some training at least.
>>315636039
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFw91exQmFE
HELLO!
If all the tales protags were genderbent, which would make the cutest girl?
>>315654558
You're welcome to add the holes I'm missing, since I've not played many of the games to the end, if at all.
>Cless: Literally blessed with the power of the summon spirits to murder Dhaos
>Stahn: Never finished, but he has a talking sword and a "Dead" friend to motivate him
>Reid: LITERALLY ALIEN PLANET JESUS.
>Kyle: Never played.
>Lloyd: Holds the great sword of creation that will grant any one request. Somehow becomes an angel.
>Veigue: I just know he has the power of Celsius itself. Would love to play this one.
>Senel: (Legendiafag light activate)
>Luke: He's motivated and has the power of Lorelei that Van doesn't have. Reborn as Luke^2?
>Luca: No comment.
>Yuri: Backed with summon spirits and a stab wound from Sodia, the power of friendship or whatever powers up Vesperia No. 2 into A GIANT FUCKING FEATHER THAT CUTS A SPACE OCTOPUS IN TWO. No real combat change otherwise.
>Shing: In progress.
>Asbel: POWER OF FRIENDSHIP TO THE MAX. BLUE EARTH!
>Jude: He punches God in the face to protect his waifu. He's pretty fucking alpha.
>Ludger: Max power level literally controls time, has mastery on three weapons, and armor. Can destroy dimensions.
>Slay: ...he has a gun that shoots out his friends.
>>315655456
>(Legendiafag light activate)
my sides
>>315655456
>Slay: ...he has a gun that shoots out his friends.
>>315655456
End game would go to Reid or Ludger.
Reid at the end of Eternia pulled off some Elder God Universe level hax, but it was probably just a one time thing.
>>315655443
Jude or Sorey
>>315655443
Luke would be the sluttiest, that's for sure.
>>315654335
Snap pivot (in x1) has extremely lenient timing and puts you directly behind your opponent (shaving off like 3CC). Not only that, but if you have the passives unlocked you'll also get speed/damage/CC buffs upon activation. Top it all off with the ability to chain snap pivot endlessly and you have a broken ability.
>>315654308
Probably Ludger. I'd post some of the Ludger webms, but some faggot has spammed them these last few weeks so I'm sure we all know of them.
>>315655443
Sorey's dorkiness would have been 10x more cute if he were a girl.
>>315655443
Yuri.
>>315655456
>Slay: ...he has a gun that shoots out his friends.
Pretty cool ass gun.
>>315656138
>don't even really have to change Yuri's design just slap a pair of tits on him
If Yuri wasn't so boss personality wise he'd be the faggiest looking Tales MC.
>>315655443
>>315651150
Not really. It's pretty low-tier. I wouldn't say it's representative of the series these days, the Xillias were at least somewhat better, but it's probably representative of where the series is headed. As much as people complain when you say it, the series really did take a huge nose dive after Vesperia, and it's no wonder, Baba even said in an interview that Vesperia exhausted everyone and no one wants to work that hard again.
>>315654308
Battle System wise? Probably Yuri.
Infinite combos, extremely good and easy to chain arte list, tension skills are fucking broken (free overlimit lvl3 just for hitting 72hits), OL8 etc.
>>315656138
I wonder if Yuri would be up for yuri
>>315656450
>nose dive after Vesperia
Eh, I'd say the quality has been around the same as its always been since the Symphonia days.
Let's not forget Xillia 2 has the best battle system in the series as well.
>Finish playing Steins;Gate
>Enemies are called Kyouma in Zestiria
Jesus Christ just let me forget about that game already, please.
>>315656450
What exactly exhausted them? It was one of the best but it didn't felt like it was that much different in the end.
>>315656712
>Bugs out the ass in Graces Wii and some shoddy shit in Zestiria
>Less content, more DLC
>Somehow even less interesting characters and plots
>About the same quality since about the Symphonia days
>>315656949
You got me. I think everyone just got tired of working hard and decided to just shit out even more medicore games because people would buy them anyway.
>>315656573
Doesn't he ship Rita and Estelle?
>>315657098
Both Xillias were fine (even if X1 had a shitty last chapter like Vesperia) and Graces F was excellent.
>Muh costumes
Eh. I wouldn't say that's a nose dive in quality, just more jew practices.
>>315657446
What about threesomes?
>>315657098
Both Xillias were good, 2 was fucking excellent. Graces F was excellent as well. Where is this quality drop?
>>315657098
>playing graces wii
>AT ALL
>>315657098
>Play on the Wii
>Complain about quality
lmao might as well include all of the shitty GBA and PSP spinoffs on your list baka senpai
>>315657453
Yeah, they were fine. Just fine. Well, the first one was, the second one was a lazy game with a bunch of copy/pasted locales, the only thing that pulled that game out of the shitter was the battle system. I still don't think the battle system in the first was anything special, and Xillia 2's isn't my favorite. There's still the whole linking system being hostile to multiplayer thing.
>>315657637
Yeah as far as bugs and battle system goes, Graces f was pretty good. Too bad everything else was shit, but it's a Team Destiny game so that's to be expected, the only thing they're good at are battle systems.
>>315656949
>brand new engine
>bloated sidequest list (vanilla is still a bigger game than Graces F)
>7 (+2) characters
>huge world map
>biggest and bestes endgame dungeon
>huge amount of content, costumes, attachments etc.
>actually has minigames
>too many dungeons, they even added an extra pointless sewer dungeon in the ps3 version
>extensive skill/arte list, burst artes, burst artes changing depending on skill equipped
>stable battlesystem, their qa actually did their work, glitches that could have potentially broke the system like Hourglass + Fatal Strike just results in characters comically floating around before returning to normal
Can you blame them?
>>315657908
>Just fine.
Xillia was comparable to Symphonia and Abyss quality.
Xillia 2 was at Vesperia level or beyond.
>muh copy/pasted locales
What do you want from a game set in the same world? What a shitty complaint.
>battle system
You mean the primary reason to play a Tales game? Xillia 2 was fucking GOAT.
I'd argue that Xillia 2 also had a better consistent story than Vesperia as well, which fell apart in the final act.
>linking
Never had a problem with it. It only hurts you if you play with more than 2 people, but that's a minority of players so whatever.
>>315657717
>>315657905
>Apparently Namco making bug-filled messed don't count anymore if they're on certain systems.
You guys are getting worse by the day. A few years ago you were all bitching up a storm about how fucking shitty Graces was on the Wii.
>>315657908
Too bad they screwed up even the battle system.
>>315658192
And we were enjoying Graces F at the time on the PS3.
>>315657905
Why wouldn't it count? that's the first version. your comparison would make sense if it was the PS3 version that was riddled with shit. Bugs weren't the only complaints. An extremely short main game was a factor too.
>>315657908
Graces f had humor, all of the skits that had nothing to do with the plot were funny. The characters were fun and again in skits, seemed more fun to hang with them the entire Vesperia cast. Hell the plot isn't even that bad, Asbel is protecting his friends but is conflicted because Richard(his best friend) is possessed by thing.
>>315658192
>Dodging the point about Graces F being good
baka senpai
>>315658017
The gameplay in Vesperia really is top notch, but you can tell at certain points in the story where they just said "fuck it, just do this"
*teleports behind Mikleo*
*shoves a sword through his throat*
*Mikleo gags and sobs and dies on his own blood*
*pukes up his own intestines and Sorey's semen*
Pssh... nothing personnel, kid.
>>315658350
No we weren't. People were bitching at Asbel being shit, the usual youtubers complaining about the shallow battle system, shit plot, FRIEEENNDSSSSS etc. Now that the latest game is out, people pretend Graces was unanimously well-received since forever.
>>315658465
Sounds like every Tales game to me.
>>315658181
>Xillia was comparable to Symphonia and Abyss quality.
I should probably stop reading here.
>What do you want from a game set in the same world? What a shitty complaint.
God in heaven. I don't know, maybe explore more of Elympios? There's got to be more to it than a few fields, caves, and one city. You are literally the first person I've seen defending the copy/pasting, even the most staunch Xillia 2 lovers I've seen before admitted that that was extremely lazy.
>Never had a problem with it. It only hurts you if you play with more than 2 people, but that's a minority of players so whatever.
>If it doesn't affect me then it's not shit.
Okay, whatever you say. Throw some more hastily thrown together defenses if you will, but I can't take part in this stupidity anymore.
>>315658651
No. People always shit on the story, but the battle system and gameplay has ALWAYS been considered amazing.
>>315658651
>Shallow battle system
Vesperiababby, please go.
>>315658017
>biggest and bestes endgame dungeon
Do you mean the actual final dungeon or the extra dungeon?
Because the extra dungeon in Vesperia was shit. Everything else was good, but making a dungeon that was just bits and pieces of older dungeons and making you run through it multiple times fighting bosses you already beat before to collect orbs to fight the actual boss was lame.
The post-game dungeons in general have been lacking since Vesperia. I remember Eternia had a several bonus dungeons that were all pretty unique and hard to discover through normal exploration.
>>315658407
I never said anything about the game itself, my point was that Graces Wii was a bug-ridden mess, I made no claims about the quality of the actual gameplay/story/characters/etc, so no, no dodging on my part was had.
Vesperiafags at it again, you really can't admit that other games had better aspects. Graces f and both Xillia had better gameplay. Xillia 2 had a much more compelling story than Vesperia too.
>>315658181
>Xillia was comparable to Symphonia and Abyss quality.
Hoo boy!
>What do you want from a game set in the same world? What a shitty complaint.
You Xillia fags are now officially worse than the Vesperia fags.
>>315658802
>I should probably stop reading here.
You probably should, since you clearly can't come up with any counterparts aside from shitposting.
>I don't know, maybe explore more of Elympios?
The rest was either irrelevant or uncultivated land. What, you want to walk around in more empty fields? Wasn't that your complaint about the maps in Reize Maxia?
>You are literally the first person I've seen defending the copy/pasting,
I'll defend it because it's set in the same world. If you want them to go the ToS2 route of making a completely different world then just say so, but that's your opinion.
>Okay, whatever you say.
>Literally no rebuttal.
I don't know why I expected anything else.
>>315658971
Garden of Izayoi was a huge step up, but I agree the one where you fight Kratos was dogshit.
Tarqaron is pretty much the best final dungeon. Tons to explore and do and a second phase that opens up after you reach the last teleporter.
>>315659016
Show some examples.
>>315658971
Depends which extra dungeon you're on about.
If it's the one with Kratos, then yes. If you include Garden of Izayoi (which houses the Spiral Draco) or the lava field where the Sword Dancer lurks, then it has awesome extra dungeons.
>>315659016
>my point was that Graces Wii was a bug-ridden mess
Yeah, and it's all fixed in Graces F.
Keep dodging the point.
>>315659132
I'd say that Abyss had a better put together story and world, and a much more interesting and fun to play with gimmick than Vesperia.
>>315659132
>>315659170
Like fucking clockwork. Now that Zestiria is out, people just deflect any bad criticism to the latest game and pretend Graces wasn't ragged upon. Never mind vesperia, Graces isn't even a good successor to ToDR's CC battle system.
>>315659170
>Vesperia is 11/10 best tales ever no flaws at all xD
wew lad
>>315658609
Milla's breasts are smaller in this game ;_;
>>315659480
But he never said that?
You know, I always have to wonder why it's only Vesperia and Xilliafags who shit up threads.
Why are Symphoniafags always civil and well mannered in comparison?
You fags should stop arguing about what each game does wrong and start agreeing on what each game does right.
When does Zestiria get good?
I'm having more fun now that Sorey has plenty of different attacks to use, but having to press square and a direction to change characters was a retarded idea.
They should've switched commands. square+direction change seraphims and just a direction you swtich characters.
>>315659396
FoF's were a lot more fun than instant one-hit kills, but the Overlimit chaining and bonuses were better in Vesperia.
But FoFs were so good. It offered the perfect balance of strategy and coordination, especially for multiplayer.
>>315659649
Only a Vesperiafag would call someone a Xilliafag because there are no Xilliafagsonly that Xillia2fag who keeps posting those Ludger videos.
How about this, list a few pros and cons of your favorite between Xillia, Graces f, and Vesperia.
I will start off and say I loved Graces.
+gameplay was amazing
+characters were fun and varied greatly in combat
+skits were fun
-story was nothing to write home about and was certainly lackluster compared to other titles
-characters can get really annoying storywise with quirks that just don't end quick enough(Cheria being a cunt for example)
-exploration wasn't as good as other games
>>315659209
Not him but
-Anmalchia Key can't be obtained:
If you obtain the Anmalchia Key and inherit books (monster, item, etc) onto a second playthrough, the Key becomes unattainable.
-Number of people talked to doesn't increase:
When you've spoken to someone once, speaking to them on later playthroughs won't increase the in-game counter. If you inherit books, it's no problem, but if you dont (to avoid the Anmalchia Key bug) then you can become unable to unlock the titles Pascal gets from it, if you either don't have them already, or don't inherit titles.
-Carta Bug:
Activates when you inherit titles. If you have the titles aquired from the Carta minigame, then the Chats connected to it will be unviewable on later playthroughs. As such, if you don't have Sophies Satsudan Complete title (Seeing all chats) it can become impossible to recieve.
-Inherit info:
If you transfer Books-
Can't obtain Anmalchia Key -> Can't enter desert ruins
Ruin Chats can't be seen -> Sophies chat title can't be obtained.
Can't obtain the Heros Wand -> Asbels Strongest Knight title can't be obtained.
If you don't transfer Books-
Pascals titles from talking to people can't be obtained.
If you transfer over titles with Carta titles-
Carta based Chats won't activate -> Sophies chat title can't be obtained.
-Wii turns itself off:
Activates on second playthrough. If you begin a new playthrough while a characters titles are set to "Auto Master", and try to change the auto setting before aquiring the "Auto Master" option on the new playthrough (have Asbel master a title) the game will give a weird sound and the Wii itself will stop/shutdown.
>>315659753
Because almost every single poster's first Tales was Symphonia. So naturally they all love it.
>>315658382
>Why wouldn't it count?
Because it runs counter to his argument.
>>315659753
What about me, anon who has throughly enjoyed every Tales game that I've played, even if it's only three of them?
Hell, I only comment one those three games, I can't really say anything about the others.
Am I a fag that shits up the threads?
>>315659872
FoF is, I think, the peak of Tales gimmicks, and is really the only thing that keeps me from saying that Vesperia had a perfect battle system. If I could combine FoF and Vesperia's overlimit stuff, I would have to burn out my eyes and cut off my hands, for they would not be worthy to gaze upon or even touch it.
>>315659209
>>315659991
-Damage to non-battle characters from cooking:
When using the Madoushi that doubles cookings healing effects, and cooking that heals above 50% and character death (such as Marbo Curry), characters not taking part in battle will get damaged.
-5th and 6th characters bug while travelling with an NPC:
Bugged characters can be healed even when at max HP, and sometimes die randomly.
-ShotCube Chat doesnt activate:
If after clearing the second section of ShotCube, you go straight on to the final section, the chat that activates after clearing may not activate. Make sure to stop between finishing the second section, and before starting the final.
-Battle messages:
At the beginning of the game, if you play as Sophie and use a B Art (First Aid), a message that is supposed to activate after the time skip (When you first really access the B Arts) will be shown after the battle.
-Use unlearnt Blast Caliburs:
If you have later Blast Caliburs (lv2 or lv3), you can use the previous BCs in battle without learning them.
-Enemies become a sandbag:
Sometimes, after recovering from being downed, an enemy will simply stand there. You can hit them as much as you want, but they'll recover after being downed again, or knocked away.
-BGM:
Sometimes during battle, the BGM will either stop or change to a strange noise. Sometimes fixes after battle, but sometimes save/load is necessary.
-Characters disappear during battle:
Sometimes, if hit by an enemys attack while using an art, the character will disappear.
-Asbel turns young:
If Asbel climbs the ladders on the Lhant Windmill, or in Nekonin village, his midel will become young Asbel.
-Item shop listhas too many Rice:
If you transfer Stamp Cards, the item shop in Lhant during the young age will show 2 Rice. Even if you buy 15 of both, you'll only have 15 in your inventory.
-Drop items can't be obtained:
If you have 14 of an item, and obtain 2 of the item in battle, you'll still only have 14.
>>315659396
I don't think anyone can deny that Abyss and Symphonia had better put together stories and worlds. However, Vesperia's overlimit was a lot more fun to use while FoF were more interesting to use.
>>315659401
Like fucking clockwork, someone goes out of their way to shit on Graces's gameplay when in fact it was better than all before and so far after aswell.
>>315659991
>>315660110
Some of those do really suck, but half of that is 2nd playthough stuff
>>315660075
I'll even argue keeping Vesperia's skill system. It was unobtrusive enough that you didn't have to think about it and you just gained skills by fighting.
Zestiria did it stupidly wrong and over complicated it. Graces tied it to titles instead, and Xillia tied it to that Lillium Orb nonsense (which wasn't too bad, but still a bit strange.)
>>315660354
>>315660354
Graces wasn't the best simply because no air game and only 2 characters really used the A/B system fully.
I'd say Hearts R and Xillia 2 vastly improve upon Grace's battle system, which is why people like to cite them as the best battle systems in Tales.
>>315659370
>Point was that the first version of Graces was shitty
>Somehow the fact that their second attempt was better means he's dodging the point.
I just don't understand.
>>315660354
You don't need to shit on something that's already bad.
>>315660451
I'm probably the only person here who had no issues with Lillium Orb. It was very clear and transparent to the player and yet offered a certain degree of freedom to specialize in what you want. I actually vastly prefer it to whatever they did in Xillia 2.
>>315659401
>Graces isn't even a good successor to ToDR's CC battle system.
Oh so I'm not the only one left that thinks this? I saw people saying that several years ago but no one even talks about Destiny: DC anymore.
>>315659016
Why the fuck does the first even matter? The complete version is F, the wii version sucked cock but no one plays that one.
>>315660515
>Point was that the first version of Graces was shitty
Because it's not the definitive version. It's the same reason why people tend to mock you for not playing PS3 Vesperia if you start pointing out flaws in the 360 version.
Although that might have stopped these days, I haven't been in Tales threads for years.
>>315659753
They're both babby's first Tales now, so you have ardent supports on both sides. Most of them have never played Symphonia so it doesn't get much attention these days.
>>315660672
I didn't mind it and certainly liked it more than Xillia 2's weirdness. It's just if you're dealing with a level cap 200 game, the Lillium Orb may not be the most feasible. Worked fine for a level 99 cap.
>>315659862
>When does Zestiria get good?
When you get to the Earth temple and see that funny scene with Edna and listen to the great music. Then it goes back to being shit.
>>315636039
Just defeated Sergei
please tell me that he will join the party
>>315661218
No.
>>315659753
Vepseriafags like to think it is the end all Tales game and since Xilliafags had a legitimate good game on their hands, they butt heads a lot.
>>315659991
>>315660110
Sorry to break it to you, but the PS3 version suffers from none of those, so they don't count.
It's great that PKeks are getting to play Tales after all this time, too bad it's shitty Zestiria.
>>315660451
I honestly would say that Vesperia's skill system was too simplistic; I'd like a little more complexity in the skill system. Maybe adding skills to armor and such as well, maybe make some skills unable to be learned, but powerful enough to want to keep weaker equipment, so on. Having skills for the other characters like Raven's or Karol's movement and attack changing skills. I never played the PS3 version, but it would have been cooler if there was a skill, that changed say, Yuri's fighting style to be more like Flynn's for example.
I can't say anything about Xillia or Graces or Zest, however. Unless Graces or Xillia get a re-release, I doubt I'll play them.
How is Hearts R?
>>315659753
Forget Symphoniafags, where are the Abyssfags? It feels like they don't even exist except for that one Tearfag.
>>315660789
Generally speaking, the only people that complain about the PS3 version can't read it or dont want to import it. Neither are really an issue since the translation guide/patch came out and the game is relatively cheap to import now as a PS3 Best label.
Not like the 360 version was that much inferior anyway. It's like... you can get a glazed doughnut or you can get a glazed iced doughnut with sprinkles, but it has red bean paste in side.
>>315660789
What technical flaws? Let's remove stuff like plot, story etc. from the equation and judge it solely on the technical issues and how stable the actual game is
Vesperia360 still wasn't a bug-ridden piece of shit game.
HeartsDS wasn't one.
SymphoniaGC wasn't one.
ToD2 wasn't one.
Literally near every game didn't have a first iteration that wasn't dogshit asides Graces.
>>315661373
consolewar degeneracy pls leave
>>315661475
What was up with Graces anyways? Did Nintendo contract Bamco to make a Tales game for them, which explains the shoddy effort and why it released on PS3 later?
>>315661284
>anon1 says Wii Graces is bug-riddled
>anon2 asks for examples
>anon3 provides
>some faggot jumps in and says the PS3 version is free from it even though it wasn't the fucking point of the conversation.
are you well
>>315660783
>>315660789
So if a game is shit but gets a less shit release later on, it invalidates their fuck ups with the first? Well that's certainly not how people have been acting for the past 25 years, I guess I didn't get the memo that things changed.
My point was that the Tales games were generally pretty solid for the most part until Graces. Ever since then there's been some annoying bugs in each of the games (I think even the Xillias, though they were cleared up with the English releases, I remember hearing people talk about that some years ago, though they were never as bad as Graces Wii). They just shit out a game with little to no QA these days so they can make their yearly quota and maybe patch it up later on when releasing it in another country.
Yes, I know, you still think it doesn't count because it mostly only affects Japs, and who gives a fuck about them? I'm just explaining my thoughts.
>>315662208
Xillia was largely bug-free by the time it came to the West. In fact, I don't think I ran into any bugs during my playthrough.
I still feel that Xillia would've been one of the best, at least on par with Vesperia, if they had given it more time instead rushing to meet a deadline.
![Raven.(Tales.of.Vesperia).full.110377[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ambh2mT.jpg "Raven.(Tales.of.Vesperia).full.110377[1].jpg")
I think you all just need to calm down and have a nice drink with good ol' Raven.
>Faggots shitting on vesperia
The only "good" tales games are destiny r,abyss symphonia,vesperia and the narikiri psp
xillia 2 is fairly mediocre everything else including zestiria is fucking shit
>>315658609
DEEP DARK MILLA
>>315661756
Nintendo didn't publish their game, it was most likely deadlines with bamco.
>>315662208
Part of it comes down to Vesperia being the last pure major Team Symphonia game and Graces being the last pure Team Destiny game.
It was around the time Graces was being made that Namco decided to merge the two teams into Tales Studio, and the two collaborated for Xillia as their first major project. It was also around the time of this unification that Namco decided to make Tales of a yearly release and Baba was given more power.
Zestiria is the latest result of all those bad decisions. You can tell a lot of the game is unfinished and slapped together.
>>315662832
>and the two collaborated for Xillia as their first major project.
So that's why Xillia felt like a fusion of the two games. Given more time, it could've been the best Tales in history.
But Bamco has a really bad issue with deadlines it seems.
>>315662832
What the hell is it with yearly titles these days anyway? Is there any evidence that they make more money in the long run, or is it just the short-sighted businesses practices that has affected apparently almost every business in the world?
>>315663212
>lol i made this funi pic
>pls repost guise
anon pls
thats just pathetic
>>315654365
Would a real world comparison to Sorey be a guy who orders dulled fantasy swords online kicking the asses of demonic creatures with them?
>>315662832
Merging the two teams was a mistake.
>>315662832
>yearly release
>Zestiria comes out 3 years after Xillia 2
k
>>315663294
Because some developers hit it big doing yearly releases, some think they can do it too. In reality, all this does is raise costs, lowers quality, and makes game development already more nightmare-ish than it is in the first place.
>>315663650
And he is an archaeologist too. Needs that ruins mode to put it together.
I wish they had a way to sub the post battle banter in PS3 Vesperia
>Flynn: Great job Captain Schwann!
>No, don't call me Schwann, call me Raven
>Okay. Great job Captain Raven!
>Oh boy
>>315663803
There are smaller side titles too, anon. Japan only, but still.
>>315663294
If you don't have a product out being sold, you're not making money. Games do not tend to keep selling well for months and months at a time, people are more apt to buy the newer games, rather than look at the older ones, whether is being because the newest games are displayed in stores better, or because the consumer simply doesn't have the time or patients to look through the stores catalog, or whatever it might be.
In the short term it does get you more money, as people will buy the newer game, but it quickly burns out your developers, and as quality drops those initial release sales drop which leads to budget cuts. Eventually the games all become rather homogeneous. The only reason sports games can really get away with it (and people are starting to not buy those as well) is because the biggest changes are usually just roster ones.
The elite monsters for post game are wrecking my shit in Xillia 2. I'm like lvl 80. Wat do? I keep dying in one hit.
>>315663294
>Is there any evidence that they make more money in the long run
If you're a big seller like CoD, yes.
Tales was never *that* big though, so I don't understand why they started doing that when clearly the quality of their games have started suffering for it.
>>315664114
don't get hit?
block?
Almost done with the first arc of Vesperia.
I want Patty to join already. Some of these dungeons are really big, but you knowat least the game has dungeons.
So bros. Best overworld theme?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8awXZ2E6YgY
>>315668729
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN8u_U59DZs
>>315668859
>tfw I want to play abyss again
Is this game on ps3 store?
