Legion is expected to release on or before 09/21/2016. This is not a release date.
HAHAHAHAAHAHA
>they can't possibly pull another year long raid tier
Yep, they just did.
Now it makes PERFECT sense why they wont release any more sub numbers.
>>315609797
>09/21/2016
>>315609797
Dev team is fucking toxic, just like the CM team
Fucking blizzard, it's over
What the fuck?!
Is the final raid out already or how far are we in orclords of orcnor?
What face did you make when you let your sub run out Onii-chan?
>blizz announces they're no longer posting subscription numbers
>a few days later reveals another year long raid.tier
haahahahahahasdhfbahdjfsbaf
>>315611238
i don't recall, it was back in 2010
What an awful fucking company. You can really tell how much of a fuck they give.
Warlords is fucking shit, probably the worst expansion after cata. Wouldn't they want to keep fans by releasing it early?
>>315609797
If this doesn't cut subscriber numbers AT LEAST in half I'll be fucking surprised
I mean it's probably the reason why they aren't releasing sub numbers, which imo is a pretty fucking vital part of their business model, and a key indicator into the health of the game
But like...fuck me right?
>>315611391
Vanilla = BC > Wrath >> MoP >>> Cata >>> WoD
Agree?
>>315611535
100%
>>315611535
Yup
Wait. What? Is this serious? Another year long raid tier? How can they do that? I was sick of it after the first run. How can anyone justify this? What the fuck? I cant comprehend what I'm seeing here.
wait wasn't WoD releasd this year?
won't that make it the shortest expansion yet?
Anyone has link of a blogspot place where someone's gonna stream Blizzcon?
>>315611535
i liked wrath more than vanilla or bc, but that's probably because i mained paladin
>>315611680
Yes, it will.
>>315611680
no it was last year
>>315611535
Yeah I actually would agree. That's perfect.
Source? I can't imagine them dragging out WoD for THAT long
It's finally tanking, after all these years. So sad.
>>315609797
>subs at 9 year low
>state they are no longer releasing subscription numbers
>another year+ content drought for final tier in the worst expansion ever
>>315612006
I-it's not like subs are dropping, it's just that with release of WoW Tokens™ those numbers would be innacurate goy
>>315611535
stop kidding yourself vanilla was garbage
>>315609797
I wish Final Fantasy XI would do this. I miss the game dearly but I don't want to grind back up. If they would let me start again with 1 fully leveled job, 1 job at sub job level cap, and a boost to all skills so I'm not a level 99 warrior running around with 1 in everything, I would be over that in the blink of an eye.
>>315612180
The fact that they aren't even releasing active WoW account numbers should be worrying.
>>315612180
But Blizzard you count tokens as a sub
>>315612180
I wonder if they actually used the Token sales and replaced lost sub numbers with the token conversion into what would have been Subs
I could absolutely see blizzard being as disingenuous as that
"oh no, it gives us a much easier metric to understand what is happen at the business end of WoW"
They honestly are the biggest liars in the business
>>315612439
They count tokens as subs when the tokens are used.
>>315612313
Holy shit I bet they do count them as well. I never really thought about that
>>315609797
Wod
>great leveling
>10/10 raids
Fuck all ways to progress your character outside of raids
and fuck all content outside of 3 fucking raids.
No new bg's.
like only 6 fucking dungeons
zero content outside of raids.
Fantastic piece of shit.
And people waited 14 months through Siege of Orgrimmar for it.
Then they had to shell out 10 bucks extra, and then they pay a sub fee for what was a 1 patch expansion.
All the while getting jewed by actiblizz via the stores for mounts.
Top kek. so glad I don't play anymore.
>>315612271
FFXI sorta does do that. The current RoV expansion gives you a bunch of key items, that provide MASSIVE exp boosts, increase skillup rate and ease up or outright remove certain mandatory quests (no more item farming for subjob quest, for example).
>>315609797
When you consider at least 1/4 of those sub numbers are in China, it makes the numbers look even worse
I would say at most there are 3.5 million US/EU players subscribed.
There is no stopping the rot imo, unless something insane happens. WoW 2 different engine and transfer of characters over automatically or something
>>315612608
Dick status: muh
>>315612568
>Fuck all ways to progress your character outside of raids
Granted, this has been a problem for like 3 expansions now.
>>315612527
get
the
fuck
out
Are you for real?
Holy fuck that's the most dishonest thing I am ever heard of
So ACTUAL numbers are now probably half that 5 million quoted a few months back
>>315612618
How they do it too in China since they pay per hour, is if you bought an hour of gametime within the last 30 days before the end of the quarter you count as a sub.
>>315612679
Game's going on sale next week too, so you can get the ultimate collection for $10.
>>315612715
Yeah they count them towards sub numbers. I mean it's still 30 days of game time being used for an extra $5.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/5063-WoW-Down-to-5-6-Million-Subscribers
>>315612715
Just remember: believe everything you read on the internet
>>315612715
>>315612742
I have already developed a deep mistrust of Blizzard but now I think I need to have a lay down
This company is all rusted out
>15 months of Hellfire Citadel
>>315611098
Why do people still believe Blizzard exists? They haven't for years.
It's activision now, activision.
And they just bought out the candy crush saga devs for 6 billion, so there's that to look forward to.
>paying to not play the game
>paying to change your name
>paying to change your race
>paying to move server
Blizzdrones will defend this
>>315613256
>>paying to not play the game
My account has been active since mists and I haven't played the game. I just haven't bothered to go into my account and cancel subscription
>>315613564
I was referring to level boost, but i guess retards like you exist as well.
>>315612702
true.
>>315611535
Pretty much. Tho MoP and Cata are pretty much equally shit. WoD was so bad I only tried the trial. First expansion I didnt even buy.
>>315611639
>year long raid tier
new to the whole late wow thing, what does that mean?
At this point this is probably the best Blizzard can do.
Legion needs to be fucking huge to not disappoint.
But knowing Blizzard they can have all the time the want and still disappoint us.
>>315609797
>mfw people will forever pull the "it was 10 years old, of course it would fail" card in response to why wow died
>I was incredibly upset when Guild Wars 2 had a content drought for 9 months
>WoWfags are going to have a 15 month content drought
>MMO industry
>>315613727
It means in this subscription based MMO you go a whole year or more without new content.
>>315613842
thanks anon, dang
>>315613727
raids (big dungeons with bosses) are the only content people can do to get meaningful loot.
If they don't release a new raid (with different bosses) people get bored of killing the same bosses over and over.
If a new raid gives loot that is better than the old loot, it is said to be a new tier.
>>315613830
Last expansion it was 14 months without content, and after all that time waiting WoD was released with the most cut content of any expansion, people ran out of things to do after the first month.
Not that surprising. They're banking on the film bringing in millions of new subs, they'll be occupied until autumn and then the next xpac releases.
>SEPTEMBER 2016
>>315609797
More proof that the expansion model is inherently bad for MMORPGs, by not only cutting off the meaning of earlier content, it also forces players to only have a set amount of content available to them until the next expansion, forcing developers to shit content out faster.
Maybe if there weren't a raised level cap, and they just released additional areas for free, while maintaining the subscription fee. I don't know, but the expansion bullshit is the main reason WoW has failed.
>>315614762
Nowadays it's not just expansions that make earlier content irrelevant, it's each new content patch
>>315613809
Its not that, if the Devs actually listened to the community the game would have a tonne more players but it seems they are actually trying to kill it themselves
>>315614869
>Spend time working to get your raid gear
>Recent patch drops
>Players who don't raid now get raid-level equipment from bullshit dailies etc
This is the reason why I quit WoW, things like Timeless Isle and Tanaan Jungle ruined the game.
>>315611680
WoD came out Novemember 2014
The last major content patch was in June
We'll just say roughly that it'll come out in "September 2016" since that's their ballpark
Vanilla to BC: 26 months
BC to WOTLK: 22 months
WOTLK to Cata: 25 Months
Cata to MoP: 22 months
MoP to WoD: 25 months
WoD to Legion: 24 months
Now in terms of last MAJOR content patch to start of new expansions
Vanilla to BC: 7 months
BC to WOTLK: 7 months
WOTLK to Cata: 12 months
Cata to MoP: 10 months
MoP to WoD: 14 months
WoD to Legion: 15 months
>>315611215
WoD is done with major content patches.
>>315614762
>Dominates the genere for over a decade
>Makes billions for Actiblizz
>Failed
How far do you want to drift from reality anon?
Is this real?
Are we really looking at another year-long drought?
I don't know if I can stomach that shit again. Maybe it's finally time to hang it all up for good.
>>315611535
Vanilla > BC > pre nerfed Cata > MoP > Wrath > WoD
both Wrath and Wod were extremly shit expansions and both killed wow in retrospect. Wrath with the piss easy 5 mans and horrible story and Wod with no content and the garrison.
>>315612545
They confirmed they do a while back. If not for the ability to pay with gold subs would have tanked harder. No longer giving sub numbers is a clear indication they project it will never go back higher than 5.5 million.
>>315615956
You get points for noting pre nerf cata was good. But I'm going to dock you for wrath.
It was the best expo in terms of content and no one seems to acknowledge that launch wrath heroics were hard (not tbc hard but hard) they just got out scaled with time only the post lfg 5mans were designed to be aoed.
>>315612715
Blizzard doesn't care since someone had to pay $20 to sell that token, they're still getting money.
>>315615901
>uses the billions to buy candy crush
>>315615901
maybe he meant failed from the perspective of a gamer, but thats probably just me
>>315609797
People other than gold farmers still play WoW?
The "content" of that game has been just learning new dance steps since TBC was released.
>>315609797
source?
Paying for a character to level up to 100 is so shitty in a subcription based mmo. It's like saying that the work of people who leveled up their char is nothing. Fuck Blizzard I hope they die.
>>315616503
Lifetime addicts who couldn't picture their day without it still do.
>>315615862
Correction, it's BEEN done for about half a year now. Looking at one and a half years of no content while paying a monthly subscription, I have to wonder just how retarded Blizzdrones are at this point.
>>315615657
I honestly can't believe this.
I always stop playing in the content drought of the expansions (vanilla was the only exception because I wasn't a raider), though I quit WoD early because it was shit. How could they possibly think letting it go another year is okay? Yeah if you loo at the numbers you posted most of them are only a few months off, but there is so little fucking content in WoD that even the casuals must be done with it already. And not "well they didn't do mythic", well, if they're casual they're not doing mythic and guilds that can do mythic are probably done already or bored. Two fucking tiers and nothing decent on the overworld this time around is...It's impossible to say just how disappointed this makes me.
>>315616181
>Launch wrath heroics were hard
LOOK AT THIS MAN AND LAUGH AT HIM
Holy shit how can you even think that, let alone claim that, in any serious capacity?
Wrath was the start of casualizing everything, launched with the worst raid lineup in ever (recycled Naxx which was too easy, Malygos was fucking shit) Dalaran is a fraction of the size of Shattrath, no interesting factions whatsoever, daily shit up the ass where you spend more time traveling back and forth than doing the content.
Wrath still did a lot right, to be sure, but it was also the expansion in which they completely and utterly killed what was left of the story with so much retarded bullshit it beggars belief. This in turn ruined any sense of atmosphere and tension the world used to have, which ultimately ruined the fucking RPG side of the fucking game.
>>315611535
>wrath>anything
Fucking wrong
Worst raids
Less content than expack before or after
Same 10ppl and 25 ppl raids but with different cd
Easy modes
Only 2 good boss fights in the entire expack(even WoD has more)
Most of people who played since vanilla and bc left during wotlk for good reason
>>315616684
No, it's specifically saying all the content leading up to max level is shit (and it has been since Cata)
>even when they restrict expansions to one content patch they still can't meet their yearly expansion goal
WoD was such a disappointment they should give those who bought it a discount on Legion.
>>315617393
>No, it's specifically saying all the content leading up to max level is shit (and it has been since Cata)
You mean since wotlk?
>on or before
Meaningless.
>>315612270
it was garbage, but at least fun
>>315615657
Even then it's still not comparable because TBC and Vanilla still had raid progression.
So people wanted to have the time to actually finish.
>>315611535
cata > mop > wrath > wod > bc > vanilla
imo desu senpai
>>315615657
We're still to get 6.3 which includes the new raid and Farahlon.
>>315617708
Good one
>>315617531
It went downhill since WotLK but it still had the stories, the people and the overall atmosphere, it made sense to nerf group content since there weren't many people around anymore which was certainly a detriment, but didn't entirely ruin it.
Neo Blizzard just completely fails whenever they try to redesign their old shit, seen with the world in Cata and seen with the models in WoD
>>315617702
shit taste
>>315617903
epic shitpost mate got anything else?
>>315617989
Just iron, mate.
>>315618053
fair enough
>>315615956
>talks about pre-nerf cata while neglecting pre-TOC wrath
>>315617295
no he's right, wrath was great
Inb4 you claim samefag to defend your terrible opinion
>>315618132
Launch content was fucking awful. Three drake Sarth was pretty cool but the rest was just ass. Ulduar was top tier, but one good patch doesn't save the whole expansion.
>>315618132
You mean joke of the raids in the first tier?
Or aoe fest 5ppl dungeons?
Or raid that was proto lfr(ulduar)?
>>315618237
>proto lfr(ulduar)
What do you mean?
>>315611535
Vanilla>Wrath>BC>Cata>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MOP>WOD
>>315611535
Agreed. For me personally Wrath=MoP soley because I thought MoP's landscapes were beautiful.
>>315618237
>Or raid that was proto lfr(ulduar)?
Please tell me how Ulduar was shit. I really want to see you start reaching.
>>315618372
I meant wod=mop
I'm new to MMOs, how do people justify a year with no content added? Is it just people who are done with the game can unsub and those that still need to catch up will continue to play?
>assmad wrath babbies
kek just because you start playing with wrath doesn't mean it was good wrath was shit you fucking underage.
>>315618205
All I need to do is point out you haven't made a single argument to support your retarded claim, and I think we both know why that is.
Wrath was shit, and only people who hopped on during it claim it was the best.
>Undead horde, threatens everything, sent several huge invasions across the world
>Still hasn't cleaned up the trolls in their back yard
>Controls less than half of the actual continent
>The whole plot behind the undead being weak as shit is that they were "preparing" you to be the worlds most elite fighting force
>The Lich King obviously couldn't do that AFTER you were killed and controlled
>Even though this "elite fighting force" could be made up entirely out of undead players
But we all know it's not just the story
>Introduced time-gates on raids
>What the fuck was up with the awful vehicle mechanics
>Had an entire content patch revolving around that shit with the retarded argent crusade
>Barely any interesting factions, no interesting storylines
>Went the entire expansion without finishing crystalsong
I could go on for quite a bit more, but you're really not worth the effort.
>>315618503
>how do people justify a year with no content added?
can a car crash or natural disaster be justified?
blizzard doesn't give a shit.
>>315618620
If it hadn't been for Ulduar it would've been one of the worst expansions. They hadn't fucked the class mechanics yet and the classic world was still intact so it doesn't reach Cata or WoD status.
>Cata
>anything but the worst xpac
You will never experience Vanilla WoW for the first time ever again.
>>315618620
>Introduced time-gates on raids
???
>>315618736
It was bad, not terrible, it was the start of the rapid downhill trend.
Another huge issue was the constantly going back to farm the same dungeon tokens every time there was a major patch, because it was either that or hope you get lucky in raid drops that generally required you to farm the same raid for months to get everyone geared, especially with there being no optional gear through crafting anymore.
Even back in BC you still had the shadow resist sets for BT, but gutting elemental damage/resists is one of the things that apparently went under the radar in people's opinion on Wrath.
>>315618932
ICC had you wait several weeks before going to the next room in the raid, basically locking you to three bosses per month because Blizzard was still butthurt about their Naxx rehash being destroyed in less than a week.
>>315618932
Never raided ICC huh
>>315611238
>>315619004
I see what you mean now, thanks. I started in beta Vanilla and stopped in BC when sunwell came out. I played a WOTLK private server but never had the experience of playing as the content was coming out.
>>315618736
>They hadn't fucked the class mechanics yet and the classic world was still intact so it doesn't reach Cata or WoD status.
This. WOTLK might have sowed the seeds, but Cata and WoD were full steps backward. They left the game worse than when they started, and I'm still salty about the talent changes. That's why I'd put them lower.
>>315619268
The MoP talent system change was too much for me. I got a kick out of agonizing over how I spent every talent point, I can't have been the only one.
Not bitter, I now have time to do things that aren't playing a single video game.
>>315619268
I can at least appreciate the attempt to fix healing they had in Cata, Paladin was initially great until they nerfed them right back to holy light spamming and the priest chakra system was amazing.
Of course, people were too retarded to pick up on the changes so everything got nerfed (seriously people kept stacking haste in early cata, which was literally detrimental to your ability to effectively heal, because that's how it was done in Wrath!)
>expansion cost ten more dollars
>>315609797
>decide to not make any new dungeons or raids
>just let us do nothing for a whole year. AGAIN.
Fucking hell Blizzard.
>15 months of HFC
my fucking sides. Fuck this game
>>315611535
No. For all the cool things that vanilla and BC did, I hated their hybrid balancing, their questing, and their communities with a passion. The selling point of WoW when it released was that it was the 'casual' MMO and yet it was still grindy as fuck and far less entertaining than games like UO were because at least in UO you got to do what you wanted instead of grinding shit tier fetch quests forever.
When you're level 100 in WoW with good gear, are you able to go back to previous raid locations that took like 20+ level60 dudes to complete and do it solo?
That must be an awesome feeling. Do you get bonuses for doing it by yourself?
>>315620284
It's not your gear that allows you to do it, it's a multiplier to your damage based on how much higher level you are than the instance.
It's also not that great.
>>315620284
>are you able to go back to previous raid locations that took like 20+ level60 dudes to complete and do it solo?
Yes
>That must be an awesome feeling
It really isn't, you just blast through everything that used to take a big group of people working as a team to clear
>Do you get bonuses for doing it by yourself?
No
>>315619579
desu old talent system died when they made it so you couldn't pick 2nd tree until you were 51 points deep in your primary one
all because people were butthurt pallies were running 41/30 protection/holy spec in arenas
>>315619268
Am I the only person that hated the original talent system?
>>315620284
you could solo lich king in pandaria
>>315615934
Suicide isn't the answer. Please don't hang yourself.
>>315620348
>it's a multiplier to your damage based on how much higher level you are than the instance.
That's stupid. I don't really play WoW, I've only really played a bit on private servers years ago, but I imagine that I would like to feel like my character is genuinely as strong as 20+ lv60 dudes if I made it to the super end game.
>>315620354
That's disappointing. I would've assumed there was going to be an achievement for it.
>>315620453
Legitimately or is there a catch? I have no idea if that is ever intended to be done solo or not.
>>315619579
>I got a kick out of agonizing over how I spent every talent point, I can't have been the only one.
It's nice when you level up. Looking over all the options deciding what to pick and pursue. New system is just better at max level. They could have both systems at the same time though.
>>315620547
>Legitimately or is there a catch?
people still farm this shitty flying horse from him
>>315611238
Felt bad man
I didn't want it to happen but I knew it was for the best.
It felt putting your dog to sleep when they get too old and sick to live.
>>315617570
Vanilla had this charm to it that most prior MMO's didn't, and while TBC fixed a lot of shit and felt like a genuine improvement, Vanilla probably had the best "base" experience of any MMO to date, and the social aspect of it was a lot more involved, especially if you found even just a completely average guild
>>315620686
>Vanilla had this charm to it that most prior MMO's didn't
I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.
>>315609797
When did they release the last raid tier? Isn't it already a few months old?
>>315620547
You can even survive the attack that's meant to KO everyone at the end
let's see the list shall we
>cash shop mounts
>level boost
>cash shop item skins
>cash shop pets
and the newest member to the family
>early access class
in a game with a monthly fee and full game costing expansions which provide less and less content every time
wew lad
>>315620981
Paid character transfers, paid race/class/faction changes
>Full price for an expansion pack
heh
Nice master race
>early access for digital deluxe
What the fuck? This is what I get for buying CE, mainly for the artbook/soundtrack?
WoW is shit, but the sound and art department are still way too talented, for the rest of blizzard.
Now I can't play my meme hunter a week early. Fuck you blizzard.
Didn't they do the same with WoD, if you per-ordered with digital deluxe, you can buy a CE and use that code, then resell the DD key (no refund). Hopefully they do that again.
question - if you dont have worlords of draenor when leejun gets released will you get it for free?
i went from wotlk to pandaria and got cata for free.
>>315611535
cata was better than wrath and mop
fucking nostalgiafags ruining everything
>>315618339
Normal mode=content for pugs
HM and achievements = content for well organized raid
I fucking killed general with people we found in the chat on my alt, this is how easy raid was
>>315618395
Only one good boss fight, and even then Sara was only hard because gear check
Compare if the the Muru who was hard because highly random factor
>>315621405
But it only gives early access to the new class, not the rest of the new content.
It's still gay as fuck though fuck blizzard
>Early access to a fucking class 1 week before the supposed release date
>$50 dollars
>Cash Shops
>Level boosts
>SoO all over again, 15 months!
Time to light a cig and just watch WoW die a not so slow but very painful death
>>315621509
they gave pandaria free to wod buyers, so there is a good chance
>>315618736
Old world was terrible in wotlk retard
No red mobs in the starting zone, no elite mobs, no class quests, no profession quests
And because stats were fucked you one shot everything even without heirlooms
>>315618221
>He didn't like EoE
Probably because you weren't melee dps and didn't get a chance to fly around on the discs mid fight.
>>315621726
I think you're mistaken, while it was easier than BC, it isn't by that much, I still remember playing with my friends and getting our asses destroyed by elite mobs/group quest mobs
>WoW has no content
>XIV has no content
>BnS has no content and all it has going for it is PvP
Man, mmo's are dead.
>>315621509
Probably, but that's like paying 50 bucks to throw yourself against a wall, with a stale cookie as a bonus.
>>315621935
I have some hope for Shards Online
I'm seriously confused as to how they are getting away with charging a sub fee for this. It's not like there aren't tons of f2p mmos around anymore, most of which are various types of WoW clones. Fucking addicts man.
If the game goes f2p I'll play again for nostalgia with some friends. So glad I haven't played since Wrath, I at least still have some pleasant memories.
>inb4 blizz releases legion tonight
still wouldn't buy it
>>315621607
That's an entire week to get to 100, learn the class, do the pre expansion event, etc.
An entire week otherwise spent doing fucking nothing.
I want to enjoy the 100% DH BG's that will be happening the entire week, maybe even world DH PvP. It will be a blast.
>>315618736
Just remember Gundrak and Utgarde raids were SCRAPPED, instead we got Naxxramas LFR difficulty. The giant snake in Gundrak is part of the scrapped raid.
Then they SCRAPPED Azjol-Nerub raid for Trial of the casuals. What a fucking joke, the Nerubian kingdom is one of the coolest things ever. You can still see the zone from parts in Old Kingdom.
Then Cata scrapped fucking Abyssal Maw, which is the biggest plot hole in game. Neptune is still missing somewhere being raped by the giant octopus and Azshara.
Firelands was supposed to be a two raid tier, with Water/Fire as the theme. Instead we get rehashed ZG/ZA and heroics nerfed into the ground. All because of the awful reception underwater zones got, despite the zone being great.
Then War of the ancients CoT was scrapped.
At least MoP had no known scrapped content.
WoD scrapped 90% of everything from its announcement.
Why is everyone so upset?
>>315622565
Because a game they used to know is getting skullfucked on a daily basis
>>315622565
6 hours until Blizzcon, but blizz already killed the hype by revealing September release date.
mop=wrath>cata>tbc>wod>vanilla
You know this is the truth anon, dont deny it
>>315621923
Elite mobs/group quests were removed before wotlk, retard
>>315622801
What the fuck
>WoW used to brag about sub numbers
>Now they hide them
Does anyone got any links to streams for blizzcon?
>>315622801
honestly cata is better than wotlk
I swear to god if I ever have to level through northrend one more time...
>>315622801
>MoP
>being good at all
When will this meme end?
>>315618620
I think you forgot when Sunwell had time gates on the last few bosses
>>315622801
If it wasn't for Dragon Soul and half of Wrath being shit content I'd agree.
>>315623130
Dragon soul heroic fights were good
Better than anything in wotlk except lk
>>315611535
Wrath was the beginning of the end. You know why we have "content droughts"? Yeah, because Blizzard decided that everyone had to be raiding current tier and make previous tiers irrelevant.
In TBC I was progressing in Sunwell and other guilds were still recruiting for progression in SSC and TK. Even during SWP progression we still went back to TBC to get gear (especially glaives for Brutallus) and sometimes even Hyjal if we felt like it. Now? New raid gets released and gearing up is so easy that all other tiers become pointless, so you end up raiding the same shit for one year.
Fuck Wrath for starting this shit.
hahahaha die world of warcraft
>>315622801
CLASSIC>TBC>Wrath>MoP
This is the objective truth, cataclysm and wod don't show up on the good meter.
>>315623450
>disliking wotlk raid progression
I bet you are cata baby
>>315623350
>dragon soul
>good
dude every one and their mum could start heroic groups and just pug it. there was nothing good about it.
>>315623698
Only near end of expack and only until ship
So it did better than ICC(only heroic bosses was impossible to kill in the pug) and Ulduar(everything was on the farm)
>expected
>This is not a release date.
And Blizz fans were laughing, that Heavensward was on a 5 months content-break, because dev team went for vacations after expansion released.
Enjoy 15 monts of Hellfire Citadel, I will be raiding Void Ark and doing airship missions with my free company.
>>315609797
>or before 09/21/2016
Thats not saying much
>>315623962
Ulduar was actually fun though compared to Dragon Soul
>>315624075
It was easy, not fun
Kara and ZG was easy and fun
>>315624175
I could say the same about Dragon Soul desu
not fun and damn easy
activision blizzard dont give shit about world of warcraft anymore. they recently bought candy crush for 5 billion dollars plus hearthstone is making shit ton of money and newest game overwatch is having lots of hype/popularity. i hope these times even the most loyalist wow subscribers call blizzard out what they are. fuckin jews
>>315611238
Its pretty pathetic if it took you this long to stop playing
>>315624175
>Firefighter and 0 light
>easy
>not fun
Why raid if you don't like it?
>>315614997
>People like how races/classes are unique
>Let's give eachother the faction unique classes
>Let's remove racial spells for priests
>Let's remove class quests
>Let's remove faction flavour and let people swap between factions for money
>Let's make hybrids better than core classes
>Let's reduce talent trees to 1 of 3 abilities
>6.2 is one of the most boring patches in history
>blizzfags will eat it for 1.5 years
I so wanna see the sub dives in q4 and 2016's quarters
>>315624509
>racial spells for priests
I miss Starshards and that's it. Everything else could go fuck itself because that was a horribly balanced implementation of a cool idea and you know it.
>>315624668
>I so wanna see the sub divers
Unfortunately anon, they no longer support sub numbers because they don't actually reflect how much money the game is making, yeah that's it that's what we're going with yeah
>>315624668
ye they disabled those q numbers for reason
>>315624493
0 fight was hard because gear check retard
If your raid could do +1 or even 2, they could do 0 after some hardmode farm
This is not how hard modes should work
Compare it to the highmaul and foundry fights, no amount aviable gear will save your ass from black hand and emperor if you aren't good enough
>>315610158
implying I don't have a year worth of tokens
Blizz dindu nuffin. Dey a gud mmo company . Dey Ned mo mony fo da programzsays every blizz fanboi right now
>>315609797
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>315614997
>if the Devs actually listened to the community the game would have a tonne more players
They did listen to the community, they saw that the community was very polarising and then they realised that listening to them would be a mess they can't fix.
>>315609797
They finally made me not give a fuck about WoW anymore, they didn't even make a proper trailer like with WoD. Literally into the trash
There's no way HFC is going to last for over one and a half years. I just can't believe that. The way it's set up with the staggered item levels makes it even worse, you VERY quickly end up just running the upper 5 bosses each week and you're done. There's no way they could possibly think 5 bosses is enough for a year and a half.
I'll wait until blizzcon starts to get mad.
>>315624953
So your basically implying your a huge kek?
>>315614997
They did
This is why we got all classes being same shit and 5ppl dungeons being aoe fest
Oh and no underwater content
>>315625053
>Mfw Pony-Champion defending the cushion date
>W-w-w-w-well the Starcraft 2 Expansion said March 2016 and it's coming out next week so that means Legion will be out in February next year!
>Completely ignoring that WoD was December 2014 and it came out November 2014.
I came back at Pandaria launch at quit right before Orgrimmar raid. That was apparently 10-12 months long correct? How can they get away with that?
The first raids in Pandaria were pretty fun, but that's probably because I did them with good friends.
>>315625203
>you VERY quickly end up just running the upper 5 bosses each week and you're done
I'm yet to be in a group that makes it to the upper part
>>315624637
We only promised to try :^)
>>315625323
>How can they get away with that?
Because thats how it's always been
>All this bad info 'Leaks', September 2016, early access, 50 dollar expansion
>Less than 24 hours before Blizzcon
>HEY GUYS LOOK AT BLIZZCON ISN'T THIS GREAT ISN'T WOW GREAT YOU GUYS ARE GREAT LOOK AT ALL THIS GREAT LEGION STUFF
Holy shit Blizzard are scumbag geniuses.
>>315624932
You couldn't brute force 0 light from 2 light until Trial of the whatever crusader and it's easy gear, 1 to 0 was closer, but required much stricter play. Firefighter vastly altered the way you did Mimiron, making it both harder, and much more fun.
is it going to be a pain in the ass finding a stream of the opening ceremonies?
>>315625361
I was talking about guilds. I've been in multiple startup guilds with multiple characters. usually lower progression goes pretty fast. we quickly get to the point where everyone has everything from lower so we just do upper each week.
>>315622801
End yourself and your offsprings
So wait, they really went through with their whole plan of less tiers per expac? But then also made it take longer between expansions instead of shorter? And are also charging 10 bucks more for each expansion? They did this?
>>315624637
To be fair, ICC also got a pre-expansion raid filler in the Ruby Sanctum., though that is a moot point.
What actually matters are facts, and the gaps between the final patches of Wrath -> Cata and Cata -> MOP were much shorter than MoP was to WoD, and now WoD to Legion.
In terms of month-span between last patch to next expansion, it was something like this: Wr 7 C -> C 9 M -> M 11 Wa. (Wa 15(?) Le)
The difference is that during Wrath's last patch, they were also prepping Cataclysm and Beta was soon to follow after having released 3.3, so the 7 month drought was negligible to a small degree. Cata used the same process, but with less success.
MoP just ate dirt when it had the WoD beta come out, and so too shall WoD, except there is also a lot of fecal matter that they'll be eating too.
>>315626005
>But then also made it take longer between expansions instead of shorter
Are you noticing a pattern here?
>>315625693
I'm not talking about bruteforce, but about skill celling
Both Sara and LK were amazing fights but hard modes didn't demanded much more skill, only gear
Why can't there be 2 dev teams? One for long term, massive expansions and another for smaller, constant updates for the current expansion
Why
Why
Why
>>315626212
>the gaps between the final patches of Wrath -> Cata and Cata -> MOP were much shorter than MoP was to WoD
>3.3: 9/12/2009, Cata: 7/12/2010, 12 months
>4.3: 29/11/2011, MoP: 25/9/2012, 10 months
Not that much shorter.
now you know why everyone is jumping ship.
activision is happy with RNGstone, they dont give a fuck any more.
>>315626631
And they just bought Candy Crush
>>315626808
I know right? suddenly the mobile game garrison shit makes sense.
>>315626536
For the same reason you can't learn corporation management.
>>315626536
Because that would cost more money
>>315626536
Because they're trying to maximize profits and it's more cost effective to shit out a half-assed expansion every 2 years~ while wringing money of the community with paid services and cash shop mounts with a barebones team.
>>315626536
Because they don't have the resourced even though they just spend 6 billion dollars on a Bejeweled clone.
>>315609797
>$50 for an expansion with less content than $40 expansions
>BOOST INSTANTLY TO LEVEL 100
WoWfags will literally defend this shit.
>>315624058
>bragging about content that's easier than LFR-difficulty raids
I'd rather unsub from WoW for a year and work on cleaning up my backlog of other games than play a pale imitation of WoW.
>>315627096
I don't think anyone will defend this
Even the fanboy cesspit mmochampion hates it already
>even with legion in September, gap will be shorter than between wotlk~>cata
>wotlk kids still trying their hardest to ignore facts
>>315609797
12 MONTHS OF ICECROWN
12 MONTHS OF SIEGE OF ORGRIMMAR
NOW 12 MONTHS OF HELLFIRE CITADEL
>start as level 100
When will people realize that level based systems are shit
>>315626536
There actually is.
When WoTLK launched, a team was already working on MoP. When MoP launched, they were working on WoD etc. etc.
>>315627096
>*$20 value!
>cut tons of shit out of WoD
>STILL manage to have a 15 month raid tier
jesus christ
>>315609797
Didn't they say that the WoW dev team now is the largest it has ever been in over a decade?
So why the fuck is there barely any content? Did they just hire a bunch of interns to damage control the forums or something?
>>315627053
>I have no idea what resources mean in a world of business
>I'm also think that Blizzard stood for the purchase
>>315627329
They had 14 months of Siege of Orgrimmar to develop Warlords of Draenor too.
>>315625323
Siege of Orgrimmar released 10 September 2013
Warlords of Draenor released November 13, 2014
And Hellfire Citadel will have been out 14 months as well.
>release a full-price expansion that literally wasn't even half done
>expect to milk it for a year
SOE used to get away with that in EverQuest because evercrack addicts didn't have options.
But WoW is a steadily sinking ship in a sea filled with refugee rafts.
>>315627242
Both WoW and XIV are shit Yoshi, your game has 4 endgame bosses in 5 months and the content for the next 5 months is a LFR tier raid and glorified hunts for welfare gear. Even ERPers are getting tired of your game, step it up before you die completely.
>>315627708
You mad?
>>315627329
Wow man, maybe you should stop picking on Blizzard? They are just a small company, they DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES to put out finished expansions.
>>315627831
Yeah cuz i really used to love your game and now all my friends quit which makes it not enjoyable anymore.
>>315627834
>spend 6 billion on a mobile game
>"we have no money!"
>>315611754
Literally scum.
>>315627834
Resources means more than just money, it's also a factor of time, manpower and competence within that manpower.
>>315627920
>Part of the largest video game company on the planet
>Literally say they don't have enough resources to put certain things in WoD.
>>315627915
Get some new friends then, faggot.
3.1 is in four days.
>>315628035
they are just lying and mailing it in. no fucks given desu.
why are they even having a blizzcon? nothing to show.
>>315627920
>>315628035
>They think resources mean money
Go read a book on business management if you have time to shitposting on 4chan
>>315627920
>6 billion to buyout King
>adding this small thing to improve WoW would cost a raid tier
I know money doesn't necessarily = development time but come the fuck on. Warlords was completely half assed. It's as if the Horde Garrison was an afterthought and sloppily pasted together compared to the Alliance one which has been datamined into having like 10 different versions and multiple locations.
This content drought is happening, along with no longer posting subs because WoW will become Free to Play after the movie.
They no longer care about the people who will quit during these 15 months because they're going to try and draw a load of casuals back in.
That's why Illidan's on the box, he's another well-known WoW character like the Lich King.
It's also why the expansion is more expensive.
Screencap this - but if it is not the case, we know for sure that Activision/Blizzard are truly off their rocker thinking that the general moviegoing audience will not only go to see their movie, but consider monthly subscription for the game afterward.
blizzcon restream going to happen /v/?
>>315628164
there are fucking F2P games that can produce content in less than 15 months.
no excuses for a billion dollar company.
>>315628116
I'd rather play other games with them than to force myself to play a game by myself where i've already done everything i had to do.
Void Ark and FC hunts aren't enough to keep me hooked, sorry.
Please continue shilling your shitty game.
Just you wait. WoW will also be going to the Xbox One and 360, that is going to be the big surprise at Blizzcon this year.
>>315628342
Suit yourself, jit.
