Steam has a stealth game sale
What's worth getting?
Alpha Protocol
Vampire Masquerade
MGR
Blood Dragon
Doos Ecks
>>312948719
only 33% off for MGR, fuck them
>>312948421
Styx
>want Dishonored
>Stealth sale
>no Dishonored
Well, fuck.
>MGR
>stealth sale
Come on, I know it's kind of there, but it's the worst and out of place part of the game.
They should have put the better, smaller part of MGSV though.
How is Alpha Protocol?
>>312948936
That's because Dishonored is an action game.
I mean stealth is completely optional in that game.
>>312949037
Piss easy, lots of missing content, riddled with bugs.
Typical Obidian game.
Is it even worth or just wait for steam sale?
>>312949037
Stealth is not very good. I'm not really into RPG stuff, so I guess it wasn't game for me.
>>312949107
You could say the same about mgr
>>312949148
Only if you have nothing to play.
>>312949123
Ow.
What about Mark of the Ninja?
>>312948421
Death to spies moment of truth
It's a really good WW2 based hitman. Came out pretty under the radar but it's a really solid stealth game
>>312949148
wait unless you have money to burn
>>312949295
Good game, I recommend it.
>>312949324
Just noticed Death to spies 1 is on sale too, and that's worth it too imo.
>>312949148
Go finish your fucking backlog before buying anything new.
Is Mark of the Ninja up? That.
>bloodlines still 5 bucks
Haha I rather pirate that shit, fuck you activision.
Mark of the ninja is one of the most fun stealth game I played in recent years which is really stealth based
>>312948421
Deus Ex is like 2 dollars if you don't have it yet
>Metal Gear Rising
>stealth sale
>only 33% off
Konami cashing in.
>>312949324
It's much harder than your average stealth game, isn't it? Played the demo years ago.
Buying it anyway.
>>312949295
quite fun
the story could be better though
>>312949107
well, Crysis and AC are also on sale, I wouldn't call them stealth games
>>312948421
The first few Thief games, Vampire Masquerade and Styx. The rest is shit.
>>312948421
>stealth game sale
where? its not showing up for me
>>312949614
This fucking game was almost free last sale.
>>312949037
One of the most underrated RPGs of the last decade. Really fucking good.
>Revengeance is still $20
>>312949698
First Crysis is stealth game for most of time if you want.
Well, you can actually play it however you want.
>>312948421
>PAYING FOR ONE DOWNLOAD
>HAHAHAHA
>HAHAHA
>HAHA
>HA
>>312948719
>Alpha Protocol
are you fucking ready?
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
How's the steam version? I can't be bothered to jump through hoops trying to get it to work over the win7, third party software and patching problems.
Gunpoint is great.
>>312949615
It kinda is, reminds me allot of hitman just because of that. Can be slow paced as you wait for the best chance to take a guard without alerting the whole map. Pretty satisfying tough
Anyone played Eldritch? How is it?
>>312949868
>shitposting for free
>>312949882
Downloading right now, but will be done in 30 minutes.
But there's no any guide on Steam to make it work on Win7 and Ubisoft digital version works flawlessly on 7, so I guess it's fine.
>>312948421
>buy betrayer in early access because of the atmosphere and location
>its not bad but i get bored after a while
>try to come back 6 months later and they patched in giant spiders that spit poison at you
>uninstalled and never looked back
I don't know how to actually find this sale because of steam's terrible UI, but if invisible inc or mark of the ninja are in it, they're very good games.
Mark of the Ninja is really good. Much recommended.
Later in the game you unlock an alternate outfit that lets you play like a true ninja. You can't carry a sword so you can't kill anyone. Playing NG+ like that was really fun.
>>312949862
same goes for dishonored
What's your damage?
Bought Chaos Theory, Blacklist and both Death to Spies.
TPP was so disappointing it made me rebuy a game and buy a game I already pirated. At least got that money from TPP cards.
>>312948719
is alpha protocol stealth gameplay actually good? i know the shooter gameplay sucks ass. I wonder if the stealthing is as awkward as well.
Help me choose
>>312950581
Stealth feels better than any other way pretty much. The bummer is when you have like a stealth kinda build and you hit those mission where you can't stealth. Still a great game
>>312950602
Mark of the Ninja, Splinter Cell Chaos Theory & both Death to spies.
>>312949037
Don't listen to
>>312949123
Alpha Protocol is one of the few games where your dialogue choices actually matter, you can get totally different endings depending on what you say to people. People react differently depending on whether you always take the same approach in dialogues or not.
The missions play out differently depending on the order in which you do missions in the 3 hubs (Rome, Taipeh, Moscow).
Also, you can get raped by a MILF.
Don't do Moscow without ANY firearm skills.
Stealth + pistols is OP but imho it's fun.
The hacking minigame is pretty annoying with mouse+ keyboard but doable.STEVEN HECK WAS RIGHT. Pic related.
Also, youtube spoiler vid coming in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUydx57te9s
Is Eldritch any good?
I hear people say Styx is fucking great and a lot of complaints are that you actually have to platform, the game doesn't automatically do shit for you.
I think I'll get it.
>>312949981
I was thinking of getting this, might as well.
>>312950602
you're good, don't sweat it
>nobody on /v/ likes invisible inc or even talks about it
feels bad, I played the shit out of it.
I only have enough shekels for one Death to Spies, which do I buy?
Also I would like recommend Mini Ninjas.
There is little to no stealth and it's an easy game made primarily for children, but the envoirnments are gorgeous, the music is nice and it's incredibly comfy.
>>312950602
Betrayer
hows splinter cell blacklist? thinking of getting it and conviction
can I play Chaos Theory coop via online?
I don't wanna foward ports for LAN
>>312949107
Stealth is optional in almost every game in this sale right now.
>>312951621
Yes
>>312950970
I played it on myphonesome time ago. At the very last level with clones and stuff, I got fps drops, and clones movement were somehow tied to frames, so my clone run too far and couldn't stop at the button.
Besides that, it was a really good game for android, but I don't know how about pc
>>312951741
thanks fam
I recommend Lucifer, it's a less stealthy Hitman where you have super powers
rate what games I'm getting
>>312951486
Blacklist is good. Second best Splinter Cell. Proper stealth game, though it has 2 or 3 shooting segments. 2 of them are drone piloting and one is basically FPS tutorial for online mode.
Pirated it back when it was released, bought it right now.
It's better than MGSV in my opinion.
>>312950581
You can quite literally turn invisible in it. You get pretty badass.
But then there are bosses that I don't even know if you can stealth out of. But you can wreck every boss with thepistol
>>312949235
MGR? As in Metal Gear Rising? Nigga you serious?
>>312948719
>blood dragon
>REQUIRES YOU to sign up for Uplay before you can even start the game up off steam.
waste of 3.75 last year
>>312952014
it's not an enormous game, but the mechanics are so tight. you don't do an 'all le stealth run' because you get extra magic points for it, you do what you have to because it's hard as shit. all the hard decision making and dealing with uncertainty is great.
even just having a game that's difficult in non bullshit ways is really rare nowadays.
Had anyone played Party Hard? Looks like it could be interesting.
>>312951486
>>312952127
I'm thinking of getting Blacklist as well. Played pirated version and had a lot of fun with it and would really like to try online. Is anyone still playing?
>>312952058
If you haven't got Alpha Protocol, get that.
Death to Spies are fucking great games and anyone who likes Hitman should get them.
>>312950828
Oh shit son. I thought I'd played it through enough times to see, most stuff at least. But I don't remember the albatross call at all. That's some nice goading.
Maybe I should pick it up one more time soon.
>>312949882
>>312950107
Just tried. It works.
>>312949994
Minecraft with cathulu. Played for a few hours.
How's "Sir you are being hunted"?
Anyone else got it?
>far cry 2
>stealth
Why are the AssCreed games on sale?
Those aren't stealth games.
>>312953496
Fucking shit goddamn.
>>312953516
is it time to turn the thread into a bullshit genre argument?
>>312951348
Part of a bundle right now for even cheaper with others games : https://www.indiegala.com/getoverit
>>312953516
Here's your reply.
Can't check right now so I'll ask here. When she's this same end?
>>312949324
Get both Death to Spies and Moment of Truth. There's a mod that mixes them so you get improved mechanics from MoT and non-shitty artstyle from DtS for all missions from both games.
>>312954017
>When she's this same end
>>312948421
>Alpha Protocol
Terrible balance and buggy, but pretty fun because the choices actually have an impact.
>Invisible Inc
Turn based infiltration.
>Monaco
Especially with buddies.
>Mark of the Ninja
Like Shank but more awesome and with stealth.
>Gunpoint
GOTY 2013.
>Volume
Stylish and fun, kind of like Metal Gear Solid VR Missions but more fun.
>Party Hard
Fun for a while, but gets samey.
>Ghost Recon Future Soldier
Pretty fun.
>Splinter Cell Blacklist
I liked it, less focus on non-lethal which suits me fine. Michael Ironside was replaced with someone totally forgettable.
>Deus Ex and Deus Ex: HR
No comment.
>Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance
No idea why this is in a stealth genre sale, but it's great.
Can't recommend the other ones, either because I didn't enjoy them or haven't played them.
Okay. I have only MGR. What should I get?
>>312952260
Are you implying stealth is a major gameplay part in MGR? You actually get PUNISHED if you avoid fighting, and AI is worse than L4D zombies.
since we are all here, is there any fucking way to get free to play and early access titles out of my recommendations for good?
>>312948421
>>312954158
>Gunpoint GOTY 2013
my nig nog
>>312954158
Oh, also.. if you're only picking up one, either get Gunpoint or Mark of the Ninja.
>stealth game sell on steam
>no hitman
>thread talks about mgr
>feel like playing it again
>remember the lol no colors
>remember the fucking sewer and city levels
>maybe another time
The start and finish are the only good points of the game, real shame since I love playing as the cyborg ninja.
WHICH OF THE TWO DEATH TO SPIES GAMES DO I BUY IF I HAVE TO CHOOSE
IM NOT A GORILLIONARE
>>312954017
>>312954143
Fucking phone. When does this sale end.
>>312954639
Moment of Truth if you can stand the terrible aesthetic. It's one of the worst looking games I've ever played.
is worth assassin creed black flag and metal gear rising ?
>>312954876
16th 10am PDT
>>312954876
Are you blind?
16th
>>312955031
>>312955039
Oh shit didn't bother opening op image. So I am blind. Thanks tho.
>>312953496
Decent. It's fun for a few hours but it is pretty repetitive. Worth a couple bucks I'd say.I backed the Kickstarter for $60
>Stealth Sale
>Assassins Creed
>Farcry
>Crysis
>Metal Gear Rising
What are some non-stealth games where stealth is viable option?
>>312950602
Beyond good and evil
>>312955649
metal gear solid games
blacklist y/n?
played all SC, wanted to kill myself after conviction
>Lucius is there.
>Hitman isn't.
>>312955928
Blacklist is legit.
>>312955928
It's good.
But consider Blacklist Fisher as new character.
>>312948421
i cant beliee they would do this and not sell ground zeroes or the phantom pain at discounts
>>312955564
>implying Far Cry and Crysis don't have good stealth systems.
They do.
![[HorribleSubs] Little Witch Academia The Enchanted Parade - 01 [720p].mkv_000117.777.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4lbBaVg.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Little Witch Academia The Enchanted Parade - 01 [720p].mkv_000117.777.jpg")
>Over 100 posts
>only one person has said thief
You all a bunch of fucking taffers.
>>312956286
In fact Far Cry 3 and 4 has the same stealth mechanics as TPP.
>>312956348
Thief can't run on modern rigs, guvnor.
>>312956348
why would you not have thief? but for that matter, why would you buy any games on steam I guess.
>>312956465
Thief Gold works fine on Win7
>>312949994
really shitty
>>312956465
You must have missed the patch every Dark engine game got in 2012 that fixed all compatibility issues.
>>312950602 here...this is my cart, and just got Betrayer through >>312953724. Any last picks before I purchase?
>>312948771
>>312954081
Name of the mod? I have the first Death To Spies and its nice, but theres some things that need bugfixin
Has anyone played the Solarix game? It looks interesting, but $10 is too high to take a chance on a game Ive never heard of.
>Ghost Recon is on sale
>Rainbow Six isn't
I just noticed Aliens vs Predator is on the list but not Alien Isolation
checkout not working for anyone else?
>>312955928
Miles better than conviction
Miles worse than CT
Do what you want
>>312956348
Yeah this is sad, Thief 1 and 2 are amazing, old /v/ would have had way more posts about it in this thread.
>Metal Gear Rising
>Stealth
>>312956845
Motmod
>>312957702
>Metal Gear Rising
>$20
Wasn't this game $5, 3 months ago?
Alpha Protocol was pretty gud
and as mentioned Pistols are OP as shit (Chain Shot is "i win" button) and Stealth was broken because you had some passive ability that basically made an NPC forget that it just spotted you. that was jedi mind trick kinda bullshit. If you wanted a harder gameplay you could always do BALLS OF STEEL route and max out QCQ and Armor or something and just run around like Kenshiro punching niggas to death.
>Unpack a Booster
>Get a foil
Beyond Good & Evil here I cum.
>>312949892
Listen to this guy
Do I get both Death to Spies or just moment of truth?
Is Vampire Bloodlines good?
>>312958380
You'll need some patches to make it playable, that's what I've heard anyways. I don't think anybody who worked on it will get any money though.
>>312958380
Yes
Invisible Inc and Mark of the Ninja are both very good
>>312949107
are you fucking serious? look at the list of games.
>>312958535
/v/ will tell you yes but it's a piece of shit
>>312956407
You mean TPP has the same stealth mechanics as FC3 and 4.
any good?
>>312958609
>>312958535
Is it hard to get running, I just got into PC gaming recently and I want to try the old titles and not sure if this one is hard to get running properly.
I'm interested by
>DX
>Death to Spies 2
>Ghost Recon
>Crysis
I'm also interested in MGRR but I don't know if it's worth the 13 bucks.
I already have
>BG&E
>FC3BD
>FC
>Stealth Bastard
>Gunpoint
>Ronin
>SCCT
>DXHR
>FC2
>Monaco
>AssCreed
>Mark of the Ninja
>Alpha Protocol
>Stealth inc 2
>All Thief
And other stuff I'm forgetting about.
Am I missing anything interesting?
>>312960576
>Early Access
What do you think, champ?
>>312961362
Invisible Inc
>>312954330
>DeathToSpies
>Hardcore
Miss Take is pretty fun
>>312961362
Get Deus Ex if you haven't already, MGR will likely go on sale during the next sale(it's a curayzy sort of game not a stealth one but it's good), Death to Spies seems to be good.
>>312961362
the first splinter cell is also good but get DX as soon as you can
>>312961891
The games are listed in order of popularity. No one knows about Death to Spies so that makes it hardcore by definition. How do you not know how this works?
>>312962283
>>312962245
To be honest I've already bought DX, but it was a long-ass time ago on a website that isn't very popular using a not future-proof protection method. That's why I'm interested in buying it again, I know Steam won't go down anytime soon and it's dirt cheap right now.
Plus Revision just came out.
On another note, I've already played Death to Spies and Splinter Cell. Sorry.
>>312962430
the list is pretty on spot on difficulty/stealth elements up to DTS.
>>312958380
Don't buy it. Devs are dead.
How well works Chaos Theory on Steam?
>>312963064
Online still works. Only annoying thing personally is that there is no window mode or borderless window.
>>312963172
But what about one player mode?.
>>312963312
Works fine.
GET STYX
E
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S
T
Y
X
the devs and publishers are bros and the game is the best stealth since Splinter Cell went full retard
>No AC Rogue on sale
Why ;_; My PS3 broke awhile back before I had the chance to play Rogue.
>>312949107
Then why the fuck is MGR on there?
>>312949295
Its great
>>312963541
Styx was fun, lots of verticality and real stealth.
I never finished it though, I stopped playing at the fucking eacort mission
Will try my hardest to make a sketch of a character that will probably look like garbage for VTMB
credit card problems yadda yadda, at least I'm trying to put up some effort
>>312957790
But TPP hadn't just come out. People will be all hyped up for MGS and pay for this at this price.
>>312949994
fun and spooky at times
probably the best roguelike fps around (which isn't saying too much)
>>312964297
>garbage for VTMB
what? fuck you
I'm tempted to get AC4
Is it actually a good pirate game or does it just look good because theres no other pirate games around?
>>312964698
I wouldn't DARE sell this shit, so I'm just asking around since there's a sale going onand also because a dollar costs 4 bucks here. yeesh
>>312965028
well I don't undertand what your post meant but I thought you were saying that the characters in VTMB looked shit, to which I said fuck you.
>>312964987
Pirate stuff is GOAT
everything else is mediocre asscreed stuff. just blow through the story and then have fun on the seas
>>312964987
it's pretty neat to 'drive' your boat while your crew is singing something, stopping at an island, hopping off with on of the ropes, get the treasure from the island (even though you don't really need it but you're a pirate) and climbing back on. Damn good pirate feel.
But like most other open world games it falls in the trap of everything becoming stale after a while. I still finished it but the last 5 to 10 hours weren't as good as the first 20. I just wish Rogue was on sale.
>>312954572
It's not really a stealth game.
It's a man's struggle against his autism to appear normal in social situations.
He just happens to be an assassin by occupation.
![1380077230611[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/6lZ20QP.jpg "1380077230611[1].jpg")
>>312965136
no, I meant whichever character I'm tasked to draw will look like shit
Can anyone tell me what ac chronicles is like?
It sorta reminds me of mark of the ninja, if its anything like that Ill get it
welp, bought both DtP games, hope it's good
>>312948421
>not waiting until winter sale
>>312949474
no u
>>312968026
Some games have -80% on them now
You can get some things you want now, not like anyone buys shit from steam unless it's at least 75% off anyway
Which DTS is better? And if someone says that the second one is better, do I need to have played the first one to get into the second one?
>>312968026
>The amount of time she had to put in to get muscles like that
Crazy. Too bad she's still not that strong though.
I don't have any of these games, what should I get? I have $12 on steam right now.
Did ghost recon age well? I had a lot of fun with the first one. It kicked my but a lot.
>>312970495
I remember loving Advanced Warfare 1 and 2 on 360. I got the PC versions too during a steam sale and they were just awful in comparison.
Which Asscreed is good?
Only played 2 and dropped that after i got my own town.
>>312970495
>age well
everyone is full of shit when it comes to this question.
>>312970437
I'm going to shill invisible inc one last time since nobody talks about it. it's a scifi turn based stealth puzzle thing about infiltrating big corporations and stealing their stuff. I guess pirate it if you don't believe me.
>>312971480
2, brotherhood, revelations, 4
>>312971235
Bought them anyway we don't have much slow paced shooters anymore.
>>312971697
You. I like you.
>>312971612
Replace revelations with 1 friend
How is "Sir, you are being Hunted"? It was in Early Access forever and that makes me suspicious
>>312971612
>>312971821
both 1 and revelations are shit, rogue is fine
>>312948421
Oh its for stealth games, thats why MGSV isn't included, my bad
>>312949796
>I guess it was just the wind
>>312970151
First one has much better art style, second one has slightly better mission design.
>>312948771
>MGR
>stealth
What.
>>312971480
Only the first one. They get progressively worse from there.
People like 4 but they are idiots. Its gameplay is so casual that a fucking monkey could complete the game in a couple of hours.
>>312973756
But the first one wasn't good either.
>>312973840
At the time it was great because of how new it all was. Now that there are ten or so games with the same copy pasted shit it's not that impressive.
It's also the only one that makes you feel like an assassin.
>>312950602
Thief 2
>>312974016
No, not even then. The platforming is as dull as it could be, the forced side missions are boring and the assassinations themselves are often more about watching cutscenes than killing someone. Considering how good the premise is, it does an incredible job at being bland.
>>312974152
You. I like you.
>Dishonored + DLC on sale practically every other week before I beat it
>Since I beat it and want to play the DLC it's never on sale
Fuck you too bethesda
>>312974568
You. I like you.
>>312971612
I remember when everyone called Revelations shit.
And then 3 came out and it was so bad it made Revelations look good.
>>312948719
>Paying for Vampire: The Masquerade
Don't listen to himDon't open it
>>312974345
Well, this.
Pretty much everyone called it repetitive and any review complained that combat was just waiting for counterattack.
>>312975363
3 is my personal favorite though
>>312974568
Knowing Bethesda it would cheaper to buy GOTY edition than DLCs alone.
>>312975805
Was Rogue like 4? Haven't played it yet but I heard there are ships.
>>312975363
I liked Revelations even back then but I was one of the few.
>>312948421
Why the fuck is there no Thief classics collection on steam. I don't want to buy THI4F
>dying to play phantom pain
>steal sale
>game no on sale
Bullshit. Anyone know if there's a deal for it somewhere else? best I can find is $48 at GMG with 20% of code.
>>312964297
Literally, just pirate it. I'm literally seeding it still anon.
Literally
![Ralph-Wiggum-ralph-wiggum-126975_320_240_large[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/u6kfSfX.jpg "Ralph-Wiggum-ralph-wiggum-126975_320_240_large[1].jpg")
>>312976684
oh yeah, that's a thing isn't it?
I can only spend 8.54$
Help me to drop 10$
>>312977079
https://thepiratebay.seSLASHtorrentSLASH4874595
>>312977240
Drop everything except VtM.
>>312977240
wrong pic but who cares
>>312977240
Get Crysis and Alpha Protocol
Pirate Vampire
Buy Thief 1, 2, and 3 off GOG
>>312975805
jesus christ since when does /v/ care about generic rehashed garbage like assassins creed?
>>312977553
We don't. This >>312975805 is reddit
I have problems with Steam and i can't access it
It says error
>>312952296
>Ubisoft game requires uplay
This was old news like five years ago, how are you this behindit isn't even bad, just annoying since it adds another second ontop of the loading time when you start it
>>312977553
Since when? I remember all the hype for Revelations which was shit.
Then /v/ got hyped for III. Which was shit.
Then /v/ was pessimistic about Black Flag. Which was shit aside from their love of pirate ship.
They finally got over it when Unity was broken garbage
AC only has ony good game. AC II. It fixed everything wrong with the original and it was a fun game. Everything since has been literal rehash or broken shit plagued by bugs and uPlay..
>>312977979
retards here get hyped for every single AAA game in history, that doesn't mean they like it
Alpha Protocol is 2$ on Mexican Steam
Should i?
>>312977240
Ditch all except Chaos Theory, Vampire and Thief 2.
Are you guys sure Alpha Protocol is good?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg6QLyWFCbY
>>312978743
will i miss out on the story if i skip first thiaf
or is there really any
>>312978496
I bought it and it's garbage
>>312978903
You need Thief 1 first. Don't listen to that anon. It's a good game too, and you'll appreciate Thief II more by having played it.
>>312979110
B-but it's old and ugly!
>>312979110so is Thief II it's the same engineinb4 b8
I know you guys love the third splinter cell game.
But is the first one worth a damn?
I bought Splinter Cell pack + Beyond Good and Evil because they are most likely getting taken down. Ubi is going full Ubiplay.
Ghost Recon Future Soldier any good? I don't even remember that game.
>>312980054
Nah. They are too old for Ubi to care.
You can buy them drm-free on most sites and the new retail bundles also don't force any Uplay.
>>312949107
Stealth is also completely optional throughout most of Chaos Theory you fucking mong.
>>312978840
>unironically posting Pissed Pablo
>>312980164
Tom Clancy's HAWX games weren't old enough? Because Ubi took them out of the store a while ago.
It's clear Ubi is not renewing licenses for their steam games.
>>312980330
>people unironically thinking /v/ isn't Reddit 2.0
>Kind of want to buy all the $5 Assassin's Creed games.
>Already own 1, 3, Ezio trilogy, and rouge.
>Pirated 4 on release.
>Spent way to much fucking money this past month.
>Hate UPlay
God damn it.
Styx is a hidden gem.
>>312954330
I like how the most hated games on /v/ are at the top two and the actual 'accepted' games are at near bottom.
I like how honest this picture is for /v/
How is mini ninjas?
>>312980952
>Already own 1, 3, Ezio trilogy, and rouge on my PS3.
>>312981091
I can't see how Batman, MGS or Deus Ex are hated here. Sure, someone dislikes them or just points out their flaws, but they aren't hated.
>>312949037
Loved it. Pretty buggy though.
>>312952058
>Blood Dragon
Just pirate it. Why would you install UPlay on your computer?
>>312970259
Are you one of those retards that think Bodybuilders are weak versus faggots like farmers?
finally picked up blood dragon
>>312981918
That and the fact that shes a woman.
>>312952058
>buying VTMB
>>312982146
She's still stronger than 95% of males on the planet including most people on /v/.
