>studios assemble large professional teams, spend millions of dollars and years of programming to craft new amazing engines, create thousands of art assets, record hundreds of hours of music, voices, sound effects, go through painful debugging, beta testing etc etc
>the audience acts pissy because graphics are downgraded or whatever
>some fuckface fiddles around in Game Maker while eating hotpockets he bought with the money he begged off the internet, creates a shitty outdated 'homage' full of his favourite porn fetishes
>MUH GOTYYYY
Anyone else just angry at this? When will indie scene fuck off and die?
>>312707841
Yeah, indie is pretty fail.
>Angry at this
Why would you be? Are you an autist?
Quality of art is not directly correlated to production values, and will never be.
I would be more angry if it was the other way around like in movies, where Michael Bay shits a turd with a team of special effects and gets millions, while actual labors of love like The Reward sequels can't get any funding.
>>312707841
>full of his favourite porn fetishes
Elaborate on this OP
>>312707841
Sounds like an Ubisoft intern is getting assblasted...
>>312708163
Go e-beg on Patreon/Shitstarter for your halfbaked con.
This is why the scoring system is flawed. You can't fucking lump indies and big AAA productions together like that.
>>312707841
Assmad AAA dev detected
If it's so easy to do, I expect to see your GOTY any month now OP. I eagerly await it.
Undertale, while no means the best indie game ever made like people seem to be saying, is still a solid game that has a unique blend of gameplay mechanics that it utilizes cleverly.
It's not the best game and possibly not even the GOTY (depending on how some big names releasing late this year fare), but it is a damn good one.
a) There's no correlation between the amount of effort and money spent and the quality of the end product.
b) The people that like the simple indie game and the people that will complain about the AAA game are not necessarily the same people.
>>312708427
Do I have to put furries and funny skeletons in my next masterpiece?
>>312708430
It's the best game of all time. Deal with it.
>>312708518
If it's a GOTY you only benefit yourself by adding furry shit. Adding that demographic is bound to get you a shit load more sales since furries as a whole seem to have too much money.
>>312707841
>Rectally Ruined because someone makes something people like
Angry? you sound Anally Annihilated because someone decided to work smart than hard.
>Get millions of dollars
>Instead of using them to make a good game, waste them in making the game look pretty so normies will buy it
>Complain that actual gamers don't like my polished turd
Stay mad faggot.
What's this sudden surge of "BUT THINK OF THE AAA DEVS" thinking over here? Either its a clever ruse or they actually think that the more money you pour into a project, the better it will be objectively.
>>312708715
this tbh
undertale is fun
Undertale has been a really huge target for the new kind of shitposting. You have seen the type for sure, "I pretend to be a really obnoxious and annoying fan of of something so people will start to hate the something because of the retarded fans aka me.". It's getting out of hand.
>>312707841
AAA is garbage anon.
You can't just throw piles of money away and expect a good game to come out.
That takes creatitivity and inspiration, two things some office monkey wage slave isn't allowed to use/doesn't have.
you can throw glitter, perfume and confetti and 2 million on marketing over a piece of shit and it won't change the fact that it is a piece of shit
>>312707841
If you thought Frisk was a boy, YOU'RE GAY.
>>312707841
Upset that some "retard" can make a better game than "professionals" who's had millions thrown at their incompetent asses?
>>312707841
>All this money poured into making something as safe as possible so it'll appeal to the highest common amount of people possible for sales.
>An experimental game made by a nobody that pays homage to a game hardly anyone played with content likely to be overlooked.
Oooh, the mad.
>>312708302
This. Somehow nobody criticizes Undertale for graphics, or 2 hours of content, or simplistic repetitive gameplay, or a truckload of other issues. It's okay to have flaws when you're indie!
Only big games should be subjected to scrutiny!
>>312708936
>implying this type of shitposting is a new concept AT ALL
Here's how it works. Something gets popular,people make threads about it, some people get sick of those threads, and of them some of them go full retard and start making more of their own threads so the entire board would hate it along with them. This has been done to like half of every game that's been FOTM
>>312709121
>$10 game
>Plays like a $10 game
>$60 game with 5-10% of the release content locked behind a $10-20 DLC wall
>Plays like a $20 game
Gee golly mister, I wonder what the problem could be.
>>312707841
I'm not a video game developer, so I have no reason to be angry. Doesn't affect me in the slightest.
>>312709121
More like 6 hours, and that's just one playthrough when you'll most likely be doing 2 or 3 for all the endings.
You put too much value in graphics.
>>312709121
the amount of time and money you've put into a project should be proportionate to the worth and quality of it.
undertale reflects this
most triple A shit doesn't
fuck off
>>312709221
>>Plays like a $10 game
Yeah, nobody acknowledges this. Apparently its GOTY with 96 on metacritic, not a one-evening game for 10 bucks
>>312709263
>More like 6 hours
Have you been looking at every tileset before you go on or something
>>312709121
Undertale's graphics are great though
>>312709301
>Metacritic rating should be tied to dollar value, not to actual critical review
1/5 made me reply.
>>312707841
Tetris is a better videogame than Metal Gear Solid V. Does that make you mad too? Is it unfair because Tetris is some indie pixel bullshit when MGSV cost a lot of money and took a massive team to make?
I would love to dismiss OP as a troll but god damn /v/ is so fucking stupid these days.
>>312709314
Nope.
>>312709301
>cheap games can't be good
Cave story is free and it's better that most games in recent years.
Just stop replying nerdboy
>>312709121
You have to account for price tag. If Undertale was $60 it sure as hell wouldn't be worth the price, but for $10 it's a pretty good deal.
>>312707841
It's almost as if you can tell from the final product that person or the people responsible actually cared about what they are making and tried to make the best thing they could.
>>312707841
you seem mad
Undertale is my favorite game of the year and there's nothing you can do about it
>>312708163
nah its pretty acceptable to be upset at journalists for having double standards and giving out 10/10 or goty awards to shit games with shit graphics simple because its a "homage" or "its supposed to look like shit.. its indie!"
>>312709369
What are you talking about?
Seems like people in this thread are saying Undertale is good because it's 10 bucks.
AAA is fucking garbage. Its nothing but normal faggot shit.
Let me guess, Witcher 3 or MGSV is your GOTY and you preordered Fallout 4 like the good little consumer you are.
I like how all of those games have a fucking number after them.
>>312709121
>>312709121
>>312709121
>>312709121
>>312709121
this as well
reviewers overlook glaring flaws because its "indie" or "its 10 dollars"
>>312707841
>Game A costs 60 dollars, plus the cost of a Season Pass
>Game B costs 10 dollars flat and has a longer singleplayer campaign
The reason people are so forgiving of games like Undertale and LISA is because they are much cheaper than AAA titles. Many AAA titles these days are also geared towards multiplayer experiences, so either Steam or Origin as well as a persistent internet connection are required.
>>312707841
>Tfw games literally made by one person (ONE) are somehow much better than games made by entire studios costing hundreds of thousands of dollars to make
>>312709570
nah its pretty acceptable to be upset at journalists for having double standards and giving out 10/10 or goty awards to shit movies with 2deep4me because its a "homage" or "its supposed to look like shit.. its indie!"
>>312709661
Why do almost all Undertale fans strawman
>>312709121
>graphics
Graphics don't mean shit brah
>>312709661
Normieshit can still be good. It just isn't these days.
>>312709672
That's already been replied to, give it up.
>>312709628
it's good because it's fun and charming and a breath of fresh air andyou're autistic lmao
>>312707841
you mistake what the bullshit critics say and the reality, where big publishers make great games and great ammount of money, and indie developers are mostly deluded manchildren who give up after their first shitty game
>>312709726
the fuck you talking about i just showed up to the thread
you stupid little faggot
>>312709570
I don't think anyone's praising Undertale's graphics. I mean I like some of the battle sprites but the overworld is obviously not strong graphically. Neither is Cave Story, and I still love the shit out of Cave Story.
>>312709221
>>312709676
Why are you putting a price tag on your own judgement?
>oh boy this game only costs 10$ so it's okay to have an underwhelming experience
Reminder that Portal and Team Fortress 2 were fucking free
>>312707841
>Anyone else just angry at this?
confirmed for butthurt AAA dev
>>312709707
He never claimed to like Undertale. He also addressed OP's complaints. Do you even know what a straw man is?
>>312709661
And what do you play? Fucking PowerPoint graphics the game?
>>312709676
Basically this. With a small one-time purchase, you get a game that is feature complete instead of third of a game.
>>312709758
Who you calling stupid, punk? Want me to literally fuck your ass?
>>312707841
Eh, I wouldn't say it's goat, but I think its a good game with an original idea and a stellar soundtrack. The bullet hell/rpg style of fighting is a lot of fun too and there is a lot of creativity in the boss fights and even minion fights. I was reluctant to get it, but I had a lot of fun with it.
>>312708930
yayy clicking X to skip text is fun
just to play Skannerz wannabe shit
>pic related, hype game from 2002
>>312709628
I haven't even played it. I'm not interested in the game. I just find it silly that people are dismissing its reviews outright simply because it's an indie game.
You (or they) don't like it. Okay, that's fine. I don't have really have feelings for it one way or another. Other people felt really strongly about it, and reviewed it as such. Great for them.
Maybe some day rating Metacritic will have an 'Indie' tag for these games, and people like OP can calm down.
>>312709797
>Graphics are the only thing that matters
Spoken like a true AAA shill.
>>312709707
>this grasping
>>312709793
It's okay if you didn't like the game anon, but not everyone shares the same opinion! You'll understand one day.
>>312709819
>I wouldn't say it's goat
Well Toriel's not a cow so what else can she be?
>>312709856
are you upset?
>>312707841
>Anyone else just angry at this?
Anon you're dudebro autism
I didn't know that was even possible
>>312709869
>and people like OP can calm down.
Nah, people like OP will forever be salty, nothing anyone can do about it.
Gone Home>Undertale
>>312707841
"To the [amateur,] the thing is the end [...] and only he who is directly interested in a thing and occupies himself with it from love of it, will pursue it with entire seriousness. It is from [amateurs], and not from wage earners, that the greatest things have always come."
>>312707841
>Assblasted /v/irgin is mad because people are having fun playing a video game
Never change /v/.
>>312709793
>Implying it was an underwhelming experience
The point is, for 10 dollars you don't expect a game to have to-of-the-line graphics. In this economy, that just doesn't happen. The price is also important because if you bought it and didn't actually enjoy it, then it was no sweat; 10 dollars is nothing. Yet we're expected to drop 60 dollars on something from a triple A studio and just deal if it's crap?
The entire reason developers go to big publishers and forfeit a piece of their profits is so that they can receive big funding as well as a certain accreditation to their product. Nobody wants to be dropping a product as a no name. Yet that's what toby did and surprise, it was well-received. Are you seriously trying to say we should hold games with huge disparities in funding at the same standard?
Also TF2 wasn't originally free and Portal came with the Orange Box, which you had to pay for.
>>312709883
You know its not like Undertale has much going for it besides graphics. This game isn't just tiny, it's microscopic. The gameplay's primitive and simple, RPG mechanics are non-existant, "choices" only matter if you think getting different stupid pun from Sans is content. This game cannot hold itself in a modern environment, it wouldn't hold itself 20 years ago in comparison to Earthbound. Its shit.
>>312709732
Nope
>>312709221
>>312709418
People are saying it's good becuse of it's price.
Your comment on how Metacritic shouldn't rate based on dollar value but I guess fans can?
>>312709951
im upset because once again /v/ tells a game is good and you´re supposed to play it
then it´s full shit, for weebs, and im bored out of my mind. Just like with Phantom Pain.
And here i thought you can trust non-kotaku chats
>>312707841
Undertale is like babby's first game written by a human being. It feels genuine, even if it's full of MEME MEME LOL. Everything else written goes through so much review and rereview that it completely loses character. Undertale is a prime example of something that actually has character because it's a representation of its creator. A lot of games these days are missing that factor and this is why Undertale is praised so much.
It's not good. It's just what it is. A few times it's witty. And that is enough these days to be praised to oblivion.
>>312709570
Yeah fuck journalists for not having objective reviews and instead having opinions
>>312709901
>passive-aggressive post + smug anime picture
Oh man getting into high class arguments territory
>>312710013It's probably bad that the fan art of this character is literally the only reason I'm considering buying it.
>>312710085
okay
just play a good fungame you like then
no need for all the bellyaching about it anon
>>312710085
>Shadman
Opinion discarded
>>312710052
Have you played it? Because it sounds like you haven't played it. And I don't mean that like 'if you played it you'd like it', just that if you'd play it you wouldn't be saying what your saying. It isn't a hardcore RPG, its an arcadey bullet-hell with rpg elements and a relatively original (Relative in this case meaning to most modern media) story. It's presented in a creative way, and while it's short, it costs less than 1/6th of what another game would cost you.
>>312710101
>it's 10$ so it's shit
I didn't start the high class argument, friend.
>>312709856
>Skipping the text in a game where the dialogue is 90% of the fun
Seems like you're just a faggot
There's at least two people in this thread replying over and over who literally have no argument at all other than "blah blah blah journalists something something indie devs" like some retard 8gagger.
Their argument amounts to nothing more than "indie videogames can never be 10/10" which is just fucking idiotic. If an indie game achieves what it sets out to do and has enjoyable gameplay, runs well, looks good, sounds good and there's little room for criticism and no glaring flaws, you can give it a 10/10. Imagine how fucking dumb it would look if a review ended with "I award this game 8/10 because even though it was great, it's J U S T an indie game." Btw check out my latest 10/10 review for the latest $60 AAA FPS game full of bugs, bland as fuck gameplay, uninspired storyline, shitty rock music soundtrack, $20 season pass and broken online BUT IT WAS MADE BY A BIG STUDIO.
I've played better shmups
>>312710101
1
You're right. He should of just flailed his arms on the keyboard yelling "YOUR WRONG YOUR WRONG ITS SHIT ITS SHIT YOUR WRONG ITS SHIT" then he could be an expert at debating just like you
>>312710240
so stop replying if it makes you so mad
>>312710240>Insert old relevant gif
>>312709793
>Reminder that Portal and Team Fortress 2 were fucking free
Oh so you're just fucking lying then.
>>312710164
it's barely a game.You can do much better with 10$.The only reason it's popular here is cause current /v/ is populated by autists that can only connect with abstract shit and furfaggotry like Sonic.
The only discussion you get from it is about: "muh cow waifu ;_;, muh feelz when no cow gf :("
Don't pretend that there is merit to this game.
>>312710240
I liked Undertale, but let's be real, it's only an 8/10 at best. It launched lacking a lot of content and the sprite work is really inconsistent/ugly in places.
I just want to fight sans on Hard. Also fight dog.
Undertale isn't good because it revolutionizes the industry or pushes things forward.
It's good because it has a soul. It knows what it wants to do, and does it, and is damn charming while doing so. It's good because it will surprise you with smiles and sadness alike. It's good because it tried and succeeded to be genuine.
I get it. It's fun to be cynical. It honestly does feel good to find flaws in things that other people seem to endlessly praise. I do stuff like that all the time. So much discussion here is veiled with that funny, facetious, cynical outlook on things. I had the same point of view of Undertale before I played it. "Oh, great, more viraled indieshit."
But, you know, when a game keeps you up all night and leaves you with a smile and a sniff just as the sun is rising, it makes you want to drop all that shit. All the masks and cynicism seem so, so trivial in the face of remembering what it feels like to genuinely enjoy something. It was a simple feeling, but it was something I really needed.
You don't have to like it. But, for this one, give it a fair chance, alright? Then, if you find yourself feeling the same way I did, come back and we can chat about it a little.
>>312710445
So you haven't played it
>>312710445
>conveniently avoided answering the question
Into the trash it goes.
I think Undertale was made by someone who got bullied a lot in school
![tumblr_nvb7sddtrT1qckilgo2_r1_500[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/bTYCmrB.png "tumblr_nvb7sddtrT1qckilgo2_r1_500[1].png")
>>312710132Qt spider Muffet was one of the reasons I bought it. Actually a fun game too, but that spider music was fantastic
>>312710445
are you mad
>>312710480
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ZDmnmB8dQ
>>312709982
I was trying to write a post, but this is basically what I was going to say in a more succinct manner. Thanks based Schopenhauer!
>>312707841
>spend millions of dollars
This is definitely true of AAA games
>and years of programming
This is not necessarily true of AAA games
So as a programmer I'm not really insulted.
I also have no idea what kind of game Undertale is and don't really understand all the fuss about it, but I guess I don't really care either.But is that a boy in OP's pic?
>>312710445
So you haven't played it eh?
>>312710451
That's your opinion, I found it to be the best game I've played in the last 5 years.
AAA studios bring it on themselves.
They amass huge budgets, bombard people with advertisements, promise the world, bait and switch with bullshots and scripted/edited trailers.
If the game isn't exactly like it was advertised, people are going to shit all over it.
People have low expectations for most indie games. It's surprising when one is good. They didn't go into it with all these lies crammed into their brain and they have an easier time forgiving the flaws.
>>312710383
Both were basically just free additions for HL2 collectors box.
>>312709121
Games are criticized depending on what they attempted to do and what is expected from them.
Is a horror game a bad game if it's not scary at all? Most probably
Is mario kart a bad game if it's not scary at all? No.
You are doing the same thing, most indie games don't attempt to be visually appealing, there are some exceptions to this rule (Things like Dustforce) and in many cases the aesthetic is the relevant part even if it's not graphically intensive (Shovel Knight)
In the end graphics are nothing but graphics, a way to deliver information to the player, spending a lot of money in them doesn't make a game good or bad by itself, the execution is what is important.
![[autism intensifies].png](https://i.imgur.com/hi0UqC7.png "[autism intensifies].png")
>>312710480
>It's good because it has a soul
>>312710623
>Peter Molyneux in a nutshell
>>312710480
>It's good because it has a soul
>>312710445
Like I said, I think the boss fights are very well made, and the bullet hell system works extremely well into the bare-bones RPG style it uses. The story is presented well, and regardless of what path you take it really makes you like the characters. Is it GOAT? No, but I'm not going there expecting that for 10$. Was it worth my time and money? I had a good time with it, so yes.
Frankly though, it doesn't seem like you've played it at all, because the the cow waifu shit your spouting is a bout a character that is only in the game for like 5 mins.
>>312710238
seems like you want a fucking book not gameplay
Evangelion was made for around 30K an episode, whereas the average series costs 150K an episode.
>>312709314
>>312709121
don't exagerate
>>312710614
Player's gender is left ambiguous/for you to decide.
>>312710480
>It's good because it has a soul
What a stupid way to praise a game.
What does that even mean?
Do you have a soul radar?
How do you determine how many soul points a game has?
>characters named after papyrus and (comic) sans
>>312710727
seems like you're too autistic to enjoy both, bubby
>>312710756
Regardless of gender that's kind of creepy since it's definitely a kid.
>>312710727
>Complaining about text in an RPG
>>312710671
>Games are criticized depending on what they attempted to do and what is expected from them.
We've been over this retarded statement already
If I make a game called S.H.I.T.T.I.N.G., and all you can do in it is shitting yourself, guess the game achieved all it attemped to do, 10/10
>>312710480
It makes me sad seeing you think there's a way to reason with absolute fucking mongoloids like OP and >>312710445
Don't waste your time, Anon. It's nice that you enjoyed the experience, but you're better off keeping it with you. Trying to sway the literal children on /v/ whose bitterness stops them from enjoying something in a desperate attempt to feel superior to their peers, to somehow have "better taste" by calling everything bad, as well as the conspiracy theory nuts who think any game that reviews well means we need to call in the ETHICS SQUAD... it's a lost cause. Leave them be, because at the end of the day, they're salty as fuck, while we've had a nice time playing a videogame. Meanwhile they're watching 5 minutes of gameplay on youtube and getting mad about it.
>>312710056
No, Undertale is good FOR it's price. By the standard of a $10 game Undertale has plenty of content, which is why it's not a valid comparison to compare its amount of content to a $60 game. I put about 12 hours into Undertale between my pacifist and genocide playthrough, that's good for $10.
>>312710756
Whyboner?
>>312709373
Technically, Tetris was made by the Soviet Government, albeit as a side thing. Not sure that counts as "indie".
>>312707841
>studios assemble large professional teams, spend millions of dollars and years of programming to craft new amazing engines, create thousands of art assets, record hundreds of hours of music, voices, sound effects, go through painful debugging, beta testing etc etc
>Game still sucks because the all original and fun ideas were either removed, cut, or reduced to the rare break in monotony and the studio executives and publishers want to appeal to the broadest base possible and avoid offending anyone
Triple A games in a nutshell.
And for extra salt in the wound
>Game only starts to really shine after THE PLAYERBASE makes new content for the game and come up with genuinely fun ideas.
>>312710798
normies get OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUT
>>312710798
You can assume its a girl I think considering a couple things, but it could go either way.
>>312710793
you must be Chris-chan if you think the story is good
>>312710480
It has the opposite of a souls
Cave Story, that game had a soul
This game feels like it was made by a menstrual vagina that somehow gained consciousness
>>312710727
>Saying this of undertale where the narrative is completely tied to the gameplay and your choices
Seems like you're just a faggot
>>312709121
I think there are a not insubstantial number of people that have game fatigue and legitimately overlook glaring flaws as long as there is novelty. I think this is especially common among people that call themselves gaming critics, who get emotionally invested in writing worse than what is found in an episode of a random TV drama with surprising regularity.
>>312710635
here's the difference between free and 'basically free'
[censor]one of them is ACTUALLY free[/censor]
>>312710846
>>312710480
>You don't have to like it. But, for this one, give it a fair chance, alright? Then, if you find yourself feeling the same way I did, come back and we can chat about it a little.
One of the gayest posts ever
>>312710798
>>312710830
>>312710740
Were you trying to make a point? Cause NGE is shit m8. And they still ran out of budget.
>>312710834
>Technically, Tetris was made by the Soviet Government
tecnically, that's a whole load of bullshit, soviet gov only pushed it after it became popular to show off soviet pride
>>312710756
She reminds me of DW from Arthur.
>>312710814
The audio was really phoned in though. Literally, it sounds like they just recorded themselves in a public stall with their phone.For real though, those dumbass $1 apps on app stores get good reviews and sales as well. Are you just as assblasted about those?
>>312710768
You can't get invited to a lot of parties with autism levels this high
>>312710846
you must be fucking gay lmao
>>312710825
Not those guys, but i didnt like undertale and found it boring.
Those guys are just typing out their opinion in the usual /v/ way like you are so people get upset.
People like different things, it's been over a decade and 4chan as a whole still can't accept it.
>>312710756
Well, then.It's cuter as a boy
>>312710825
I don't know. I usually lurk and don't post a lot, so I'm sure I'm naiive, but I know there are some people out there who are also lurkers for the most part and will see it and appreciate it. I'm not really concerned with trying to convince anyone, I just felt like way the game made me feel is deserving enough to make me share.
This shit even worse than Katawa Shoujo
>>312710814
Correct.
See attached evidence:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/540127
>>312708936
Bitch that type of shitposting is years old.
>>312710720
I think it's very well done mechanically. Its pacifism system could not have been done in a standard turn based RPG, it needed gameplay for the defense game, and puzzle elements for the "Act" non-attack system, and used them well and was unique to each enemy. The boss fights ramp up with each turn and has their own twists and turns that change up the gameplay, and each boss and enemy are unique too.
>>312710901
Okay, but Evangelion was still a massive, massive success. The point is that budget doesn't equal quality or potential of success.
>>312710917
>she
>>312710814
It doesn't achieve the purpose of being a game very well, that's core to it too anon.
That's also the reason as to why some games get criticized for not allowing the player have enough input into the game
>>312710880
>[censor]
First it'sjackass, second learn to ctrl+s you fucking newfag.
>>312710880
>[censor]
What are you doing with your life
>>312710880
>fucking up tags this bad
I need to go to bed
i make romhacks.
i spend 3-4 years making it so you can play as red in kanto and jhoto on fr/lg roms. a good year was just perfecting all the jhoto maps.
eighteen people downloaded it, I got 5 dollars paypal'd to me by a gracious fan.
this faggot makes a low effort gamemaker game in a year and faps all over it.
imagine if someone recreated pokemon red in scratch(programming language for children)but changed all the pokemon to sonic recolors. this is the amount of effort and quality of product that toby the fox fucker brings to the table.
>>312710867
barely any critics actually reviewed Undertale you know.
>>312711074
And the ones that did are major faggots. Do you have a point?
>>312711042
Maybe you should re-consider your use of your time then. If it's so easy to do what he did, go and make your bigbux. Then you can crank out more Pokeshit remakes with real money instead of good boy points.
>>312711042
>upset he used someone else's IP and didn't get paid mad duckets for it
>>312711042
>Make romhacks nobody cares about
>Expecting money for romhacks
>Not knowing Toby made romhacks too, one of the most popular Earthbound ones or something
You're just a salty faggot.
>>312710753
>he bought undertale
I don't know if that's more retarded than spending 16 hours in this game
>>312710814
>If I make a game called S.H.I.T.T.I.N.G., and all you can do in it is shitting yourself, guess the game achieved all it attemped to do, 10/10
>attemped
Why act like a retard just to make a point? Why act dumb as fuck to "win" the argument?
You know perfectly well that achieving what it set out to do would be ONE ASPECT of how the game would be rated, not the entire thing.
S.H.I.T.T.I.N.G. would get points for doing what it set out to do, it would. But it would also be judged on how well it ran, how it looks, sounds, and mostly, if it's fun to play - and if it's good value for money. You know this is true but you still shit out your idiotic "hyuk hyuk I guess my game would be 10/10 too!!!!!"
Feel bad for your dumb post, thanks.
>>312710978
> The point is that budget doesn't equal quality or potential of success.
There are so many better examples you could have used to prove this point.
>>312711042
I'm going to tell Nintendo that you profited off their work
Enjoy your legal letters
>>312711173
I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to post Eva as an example, anon, since it didn't meet your standards. Go post the better examples yoruselves, if you're such an esteemed critic of posts.
>>312707841
It isn't because it's objectively better than anything else this year, it's because it's refreshing. It takes a lot of work to make a pretty game, yeah, but if dozens of other pretty games come out in the same window of time, it starts to feel like a standard and no longer surprises or woos anybody.
Then this shitty little game comes up with its refreshing and enjoyable gameplay and people eat it up, either because they haven't seen a good indie RPG in like a decade or because it fed one or more of their fetishes.
I like Undertale but I'm not gonna pretend it deserves GotY anywhere. Still it's better than you're giving it credit for. Don't hate on it just because it's popular, OP. Hate it for the furry bait or something. Playing it helps.
>>312710847
Cave Story made me feel a lot like this when I played it all those years ago as well. It was really inspiring, because it showed me that one dedicated person can make something really beautiful and impactful.
>>312711142
The problem is that the next game won't be successful, because breaking expectations for save functionality will be considered passe. He can't build a template on what to do with his time from fads.
>>312711042
>this faggot makes a low effort gamemaker game in a year and faps all over it.
So go make your own
Toby also spent years making shitty earthbound rom hacks you know, so I guess you guys have something in common.
>>312710893
>this is /v/ now
Suddenly all the Halo and CoD threads make sense
>>312711241
Yeah but Cave Story didn't tell me spikes were health items just for the sake of it
>>312711042
>this faggot makes a low effort gamemaker game in a year
it took like, 5 years?
>>312709856
>Skannerz wannabe shit
What? It plays absolutely nothing like Skannerz. Besides, you and I both knowSkannerz was a Pokemon knockoff with a cool gimick
How do I spare the memoryheads?
>>312711235
Clerks was made for $27,000 and made $3,894,240
>>312710157
Thank you.
Someone had to say it.
I never played the game but I'm going to call it shit because of what I saw someone on 4chan post
I deeply care about videogames and that's why I care more about posters on 4chan than how fun a game is or not.
>>312711308
It's funny how Halo became this /v/ accepted thing nowadays, when Halo kiddies and dudebros were widely regarded as the literal cancer of the industry just like COD or Minekwaft or other stuff years ago.
>>312711247
But Anon, romhack dude claims what Toby did was 'low effort'. Clearly you're just not giving romhack Anon enough credit here.
He clearly has some idea that will literally turn the industry upside down, but he hasn't made it because he's too focused on his Pokemon remakes. We just need to encourage him to start working on his real masterpiece.
>>312711353
which one is the memoryhead?
if i recall correctly, you have to do each action that corresponds with which monster it's made out of
>>312711401
Are you this new
>>312711142
I do that in my spare time. already making good money at work.
>>312711149
not upset as much as offput. he made his own ip kind of, or are you talking about me? i don't expect money for rom hacks, someone sought me out to ask to donate.
>>312711157
was not the most popular earthbound, it was another shit game that had assets from yumme nikki. I don't expect money for romhacks. in fact I don't advertise them outside of one forum post I keep updating.
>>312711202
>five dollars is profiting
okay guy.
sorry if i came off as mad, thought /v/ hated furries still. and bad english.
>>312711170
>game plays vastly different depending on which route you choose
>lol look at this fag playing games
>>312711427
/v/ made minecraft popular
>>312711346
The Kickstarter was in 2013. Are you saying it took 3 years to make the demo?
>>312710248
Who cares?
Those games are actual difficult and don't have furry fanart porn.
Vidya quality is subjective. That's why putting number on it is stupid.
Also OP, get some anger management.
>>312711342
i don't really understand what you're trying to criticize by saying this.
>>312711454
I'm just disgusted by Shadman. How does that have anything to do with how long I've been here?
>>312711457
Too late to backpeddle now. Enjoy Nintendo lawyers taking your 5 bux away
>>312711457
>>five dollars is profiting
It is for Nintendo
Ding dong bannu
>talk shit about Undertale since the dev is a cunt
>"you can't talk shit about a game you haven't played yet!"
>play game
>the game is as much of a cunt as the dev, almost eerily similar
>talk shit about it more
>"if you don't like it don't play it!"
>>312711480
obviously, when the demo was made, there was more in the game than that. The demo was just a polished and presentable part of an unfinished game
>>312711530
He gets shit on every time he gets posted here
How did you miss that is beyond me
>>312711550
Anon, the person you're responding to is from a generation which considers a 'beta', and 'demo' to basically be the gold version of the game. Purely released for marketing. You'll need to spend more time than you'd care to in order to explain your point to them.
>Undertale audience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3nia6EtD8&index=2&list=PLDkosdI23WzuEcKiEAnMMct9e9zviS5cU
https://www.patreon.com/andrearitsu
There's no correlation between budget and quality.
You can invest millions of dollars into a game and it might still suck.
Good games come in all forms. Limiting yourself to just playing AAA games is a big mistake in your part OP.
Pretty sure this is the only shitty website talking about this game.
I wouldn't even know of it's existence if there wasn't permenately 50 threads on this board.
Please end yourselves /v/, you're the cancer
>>312711543
How is toby a cunt?
>>312711561
... I never implied otherwise. I just thanked someone for shitting on that other anon for posting garbage art. Why would I take past threads into account?
>>312711308
And the hate for Fez and Gone Home all make sense now too.At least /v/ became tolerant to furries and now have wonderful threads about Sonic.
>>312711543
>The game is a cunt
Moot was right about you faggots
>>312709681
AND it's free.
>>312711617
people make shitty lets plays of every game
Your point?
>>312711637
It's pretty popular ontumblrtoo
>>312711642
Full of himself, also reflected in the game
>>312711543
How can a video game be a cunt?
what the shit are you people even saying anymore?
>>312711674
just go back to furaffinity fagget
>>312711660
Why would you thank someone in particular, if it's clear that /v/ dislikes shadman in general?
It had a good unique gameplay gimmick with the bullet hell RPG battles, lots of care put into each encounter, lots of character dialogue, decision stuff which people love (and goes farther than most AAA does with their decisions), and is short enough to replay over again, and the pacing is pretty brisk. The encounter rate is low, there's no grinding required at all, the overworld has some puzzles to keep things going, the music is good and there's a hell of a lot of it. For an RPG alone it's pretty well done, and for an indie RPG for 10 bucks, it's even better. It's very easy to see why it became a small hit.
>>312711543
>waaah he made fun of anime fans! ;_;
>>312711667
Gone Home is shit though.
>>312711642
Behead those who insult Kojima.
>>312711719
Wow that is painfully non-specific.
When was he full of himself?
If I had a more tinfoilhatty disposition, threads like these would convince me that the majority of shitposting going on here is a deliberate effort by "the industry" to keep sensible discussions among consumers about games from emerging.
Instead of discussing the quality of games - what makes a good game, what games are good? - you obsess about irrelevant aspects like how a game was financed and what the organizational mode of development was.
WHO.
GIVES.
A.
SHIT.
Everybody knows some aspects of the mainstream/AAA industry are shit.
Everybody knows some aspects of the indie/crowdfunding scene are shit.
Everybody knows some aspects of gaming journalism are shit.
Move the fuck on. Focus on the output - the games. That's what matters on an imageboard devoted to discussing VIDEO GAMES.
>>312711729
You're jumping at shadows.
>>312710132
I bought it to keep up with the memes.
>>312711753
>Jokingly accused Kojima of making sock puppets
>is now a cunt
Literally all he said about Kojima/MGSV in one image.
>>312711042
You just make rom hacks? Big deal? Make something of your own instead of ripping off other peoples shit. You're like those Project M "devs" who want attention for modifying other peoples' work, but you don't have an ounce of originality nor artistic talent to come up with your own material.
For those who haven't played it / want to try it but are poor:
https://mega.nz/#!i80VUCiB!ipOnWS3DtGwQdyPXU_CvWauXOjhwl_9hD06xvMpGKTg
>>312711736
Because I was going to say what he said until I saw he already did...
>>312711457
>was not the most popular earthbound, it was another shit game that had assets from yumme nikki
It was an Earthbound romhack you faggot, here I'll spoon feed you http://radiation.fobby.net/halloween/
>I don't expect money for romhacks. in fact I don't advertise them outside of one forum post I keep updating.
Then what the fucking shit are you complaining about.
>>312711642
>>312711786
he made a couple jokes on twitter about how he got a higher metacritic score than mgs5 and kojima's fans got really mad
>>312711642IknewToby.He's a bit of a spaz but otherwise extremely likable and silly.
>>312711824
>deliberate effort by "the industry" to keep sensible discussions among consumers about games from emerging
They don't need to because most of /v/ is already underage AAA drones.
>>312711887
I feel like I was supposed to really hate Temmie Village but I don't.
Why the fuck do some people say that Mettaton is a tranny? He's just some pretty boy, kinda like Ash crimson.
I swear, people are literally calling any male character that has some girl traits or something like that a tranny these days. The fucks wrong with you?
This shit reminds me of that one character in Steven universe that people claimed to be a trannyunless it's proven, then my respect to the show went from meh to down right nothing
>>312711749
>t.cawadoody dudebro
*raises paw*
git out of my /v/
>>312711864
Check his twitter, >>312711840 is all he ever said. Are Kojima fans still that salty over TPP's cold reception? His behavior isn't totally terrible considering he's a guy who farted out a game almost entirely on his own.
>>312711786
It's plainly obvious to anybody who's remotely intelligent such as I.
>>312711824
Meta discussion is far more important than videogames.
/v/ is about talking about fanbases, about threads, about posters, about industry SHIIIIIIIILLLLLLLSSSSSSSS. Not games.
>>312710445
>I havent played the game the post
Dude just buy Undertale. It's just 10 bucks and it will be the best use of 10 bucks you have had.
>>312711848
http://youtu.be/dyeRD7Cv6Ro
>>312711857
So you're either a circlejerk faggot or new
>>312711617
Dude, he's got a few Japanese developers playing his game. Swery, the person who made Deadly Premonition, is tweeting about it.
https://instagram.com/p/8sd_OWgU78/
>>312711943
Because people keep calling him a "he" even though his house is pink and girly. Still just a girly dude though.
>>312707841
off yourself, you simple-minded cuck
>>312711943
I've never seen anyone call him a tranny. Just a faggot.
>>312711954
Seriously, tell me what he did that led you to believe he's a cunt. This should be easy if it left such an impression on you.
>>312711967
toby stop trying to scare people into buying your game
>>312711943
Tranny-fags are thirsty as fuck and will try and turn any character into a tranny. Same goes for fag-fags
>>312711642
He's extremely full of himself. Some of the tweets he made after the game became successful made me seriously regret giving him money.
Undertale was good but Toby actually thinks he made one of the best game of all time. It's not it's RPG mechanics are mediocre, the programming is shit (crashes, fun not being coding correctly) and the game is pretty short. Also for a game about deconstructing games it does black and white ending thing.
>>312711943
People say every character ever invented is SOMEthing, anon. Really, there's no point questioning it. Every single series and every single character, you'll always find somebody in the deep recesses of fanfiction.net or tumblr calling some jar of mayonaisse a mustard bottle instead
>>312707841
I agree with you, OP.
In the case of Undertale, I think people, or fans, are mostly mentally conditioned by the viral expansion, not truly fascinated by the game.
Semantically speaking, this game is subsumed in the "meme" category.
>>312710480
Stay pacifist, anon.
>>312711863
the overall quality of the game he made does not reflect the time he put in or the most efficient use of the resources he had, yet it's being compared to AAA games and not indie shit in its caliber like off, or that game about mentally ill.
I was trying to say that anyone can do what toby did, but since the product isn't full of internet memes nepotist hype(toby knows game journalists) they get ignored.
i'm saying toby is a slacker if anything, and pretty much just saying yiff in hell furfag!
>>312712037
>He's extremely full of himself. Some of the tweets he made after the game became successful made me seriously regret giving him money.
>but Toby actually thinks he made one of the best game of all time
can you show me? I've looked through his twitter over the past few weeks.
>>312712037
You're aware a lot of fake quotes/tweets have been floating around on /v/, right? Which tweets made you think he was full of himself? Nothing on his twitter even remotely hints that he believes he made one of the best games of all time.
>>312711943
some people are desperate for representation in very sad way
not long ago there was this INSANE thing on tumblr where people were trying to insist that Link and Samus were canonically transgender
>>312711976
>I literally have no idea what circlejerk means
Agreeing with one anon isn't circlejerking.
>>312712037
>Undertale was good but Toby actually thinks he made one of the best game of all time.
Have you actually read his stuff?
Are you retarded?
His posts are basically "I didn't expect this to be this popular" and "top kek these reviews"
>>312711950
>who farted out a game almost entirely on his own.
and he's not gonna let anyone forget it.
Sorry anon but if you list "It was basically made by one person" as a feature of your game on the Steam store then you are clearly full of yourself. Bragging will always diminish accomplishments in the eyes of others don't be surprised.
>>312709681
Nope, Cave Story kinda blows
http://insomnia.ac/reviews/pc/doukutsumonogatari/
>>312712091
>I was trying to say that anyone can do what toby did
So why don't you
>(toby knows game journalists)
So why didn't any of the big sites review him?
>>312712143
This.
I feel like I was supposed to like it but I just can't. It's not ugly or boring, I just can't enjoy the gameplay.
>>312712037
>actually thinks he made one of the best game of all time
nigga you retarded
>>312711961
This, please buy this immersive, unforgettable experience called Untertale™.Please don't pirate, support indie game visionary Toby and don't forget to follow him on twitter @FwugRadiation
>>312712139
>'basically made by one person' is bragging when it's true
He did the entire game sans some sprite work which was done by temmie. It's not really bragging if it's a factual statement. Is that really enough of a reason to write him off as a cunt?
>>312712168
>So why don't you
I could do it if I wanted to.
I just don't feel like it.
But I could if I wanted to.
>>312712091
>I was trying to say that anyone can do what toby did
No. I'm an actual game developer amateur, and not a fucking chance. His work has a very personal imprint.
>but since the product isn't full of internet memes
It isn't. So you haven't even played it, ok.
>i'm saying toby is a slacker if anything, and pretty much just saying yiff in hell furfag!
Ah, so you're just retarded, that clears up everything.
