>A low pixel, indie shit, rpg with a basic ass turnbased combat system is the best exclusive pc has to offer.
Defend this.
>>312457365
>low pixel indie shit rpg with basic ass turnbased combat system is better than all the AAA console releases for the whole year
Consoles, are you even TRYING?
>pc gaming
a meme from the start
>>312457365
Its the only pc game shilled here because it can run on 15 year old computers and thats the only kind of computer /v/ has.
>>312457562
>I was born post 2000
> make thread pretending you hate undertale
> you actually work as a marketer for the dev
> people will shitpost back and forth before mods releaize its a shill thread
>>312457365
Why develop games exclusively for the platform that sees the most piracy. If i was a developer i would atleast make it xplat
>>312457365
>Basic ass turnbased combat
Kek
Also, all the save file shenanigans and shit like closing the game or changing the title of the window could never be done on consoles. That is right, consoles can't even run a retro pixel JRPG, how fucking sad.
>imblying
>this shitty ass shill thinks he's fooling anyone
even maplestory is better than reddittale
and don't even try resetting your IP to "defend" undertale, we know you're a shill
>>312457743
>go on psn
>download an actual retro jrpg
Wut
>>312457668
I was mature enough to realize pc gaming is a joke way before you were born kiddo
>>312457710
its a solid argument I guess but its just lazy devs making excuses for being lazy pieces of shit while raking in the money from people that dont know any better. Once you realize fps isnt the only type of game out there you will start to get disappointed that thats all you get to play on consoles for the most part.
>>312457365
more like tumblrbased combat amirite
The point is that Undertale is a game that never could be done on consoles despite being "A low pixel, indie shit, rpg".
>>312458202
It could never be done on consoles because console players know better than to play pixelshit indie RPGs.
>>312458013
>>312458202
Fucking jap moot fucking up my quotes
>>312457365
have you thought about playing it OP
>>312458049
youre not fooling anyone kiddo. what you need to realize is people know a lot more than you think. It's easy to spot a bullshitter. In real life no one will take you seriously if you pretend to know shit. Also in real life just because someone doesnt call you out on your bullshit doesnt mean they believe it.
>>312458202
It can, but it's indie being indie. In fact, the gameplay could be improved by using a controller instead of arrow keys because it's pretty much a shmup minigame.
>>312458309
>it couldn't be done because we wouldn't play it anyway
Nice argument faggot.
And "pixelshit indie" is not a proper criticism.
>tfw only finished it today
>can't talk about it here because it got too popular so every thread is shitposting
>can't talk about it on /vg/ because no more shit to talk about so dump porn and rp
I really have to start getting on these flavors of the month while they're fresh, I miss out on everything.
>>312458309
>console players
>know better
I'm going to have to make you pick one of those son.
But the best part of the game is the combat.
>ate the pie and spider donut
>learn I apparently need them later
give it to me straight how badly did I fuck up
>>312457365
And still, it has more replayability than Bloodborne.
>>312458834
Younow have to listen to some bitchin ass music.
>>312458834
Not that bad. One of them makes a boss easier, one of them ends a boss in one turn.
What other ways could you play with the jrpg format to make a fun game?
>>312458834
I don't think you actually need either of them, I think they just debuff the bosses they're used on. You might actually need the pie, but I don't think so.
>>312458632
Can console games force close themselves and fuck with save files? You can already play with a controller anyway aside for one particular part
>>312457743
>the save file shenanigans and shit like closing the game or changing the title of the window could never be done on consoles
X-Men in the Mega Drive could do this.
>>312458632
It can't, the whole changing the title of the window during Mettaton's play, or Flowing force closing the game for example couldn't be done.
>>312458834
Not very as you don't 'need' them and you can re-buy spider produce.
>>312458749
>>312457365
Thats what happens when developers have a platform where they can release games with no pressure.
They can throw something else than huge amounts of money at the game.LOVE
>>312459010
NieR did.
At the end of the day he called it.If you really didn't like it why make a thread about it?
Seeing furfriends destroy any kind of discussion on this game fills me with glee.
>>312459210
>literally
there's that fam again
>>312459391
it literally was 2 days later when the shit stirring began. he is a prophet
>>312459054
>It can't, the whole changing the title of the window during Mettaton's play, or Flowing force closing the game for example couldn't be done.
This can't be serious.
>>312457365
The game is just OK, and I don't have a problem with it.
What I DO have a problem with is all the pretentious fags who think they know it all, calling this game "THE BEST RPG GAME EVER"
No, it's not the best rpg ever,
It's a mediocre short meme game,
shut the fuck up.
>>312459645
how would consoles handle it?
>>312459645
>implying Sony/Microsoft QA would allow a game that CTDs on their consoles
>>312459210
/v/ is nothing if not predictable
>>312459838
maybe you should just hide threads you don't like instead of posting about how mad you are?
>>312459898
I don't know about Xbone but PS4 does have an error screen for when the game crashes, most people wouldn't get it
>>312459898
>- "You can't win me! I'm god!"
>Your xbox 360 proceeds to RROD for real
>Send the xbox to microsoft
>They send you a new one 1 week later
>Resume game
>-"I told you you can't defeat me!!" -
>Deletes your savegames for real
>Then it RRODs again
LOL
>>312460132
It's not a crash, though. Surely they have some way to let you quit out of a game and go back to the console's home screen?
Let's make a list of the best PC exclusives OP
1. Minecraft
2. Undertale
What else?
>>312459838
Nigga you need to find something more productive to do with your time than get angry that a bunch of letters on a screen form an opinion you don't agree with.
Sans is best character. There's no one like him in any other videogame.
>>312459898
>>312459949
Not even that, if people delete their saves through the console (not in game menu) it will be gone. So the whole "kill Toriel, be guilty, delete your save and start again" thing where Flowey calls you out wouldn't work. Undertale can't be done on consoles.
>>312460386
3. Dwarf Forest
4. Douche Ex 1
>>312459642
>implying Toby didn't start it
>implying he's not in this thread right now
>implying I'm not Toby
>>312460678
most people keep their consoles online so they could run a database to keep tabs or just make killing characters an achievement that gets stored on your profile
the real reason UT wont be on consoles is because toby has no money
>>312460386
you should try making another thread, rather than derailing an existing one
>>312457671
bingo
>>312460818
>implying i'm not toby
>>312459210
well he wasn't wrong
>>312460386
minecraft is not PC exclusive
>>312460386
Let's make a list of the best PS4 exclusives
1.Bloodborne
and that's it
>>312457365
ITT: BTFO console owners shit on nice things.
I'm just waiting for the next gen of consoles that come with a keyboard and a mouse and decent hardware. Then maybe we might get some games that should have been made right now. If the devs actually made games for the PC.
>>312460678
Any game that saves system data separately from progress data can do this, don't be dumb.
Hell, I'm pretty sure the Sega Saturn can do this exact thing, since it had an internal battery.
How is it that I can make the same reply to two different threads and they both be relevant?
>>312460818
>>312461042
I AM SPARTICUS
>>312461202
>I'm just waiting for the next gen of consoles that come with a keyboard and a mouse and decent hardware.
Like the Dreamcast?
>>312461373
>implying you're not me
>>312461238
There was a PS2 RPG that did this... super robot something? If you finished some special stage and deleted your save, the game would let you play with all 4 main characters (usually you can only play with 1).
>>312461376
not comparable when the dreamcast was out computers were kicking the shit out of consoles and they still do but devs went ya nah I'de rather be lazy.
Reminder that the 3DS gets the best console games and its games are also pretty simple
>>312457365
Who said that piece of shit was the best at anything?
It's FNAF 2015, furfag bait.
It even has the same community.
>>312457365
What was she trying to hide?
>>312461660
The pie surprise.
>>312461660
Her cozy house with delicious pie.
>>312460606
What, an aloof joker that turns out to be a real tough nut when he needs to? That's a pretty common character archetype.
>>312461646
Most of this "community" you speak of are falseflags shitposting on /v/. The community is fine, and is filled with more people that actually enjoy talking about the game than people who want to fuck an animatronic robot in a horror game that's supposed to make you run in fear of them.
FNAF is also a lot smaller and shorter.FNAF is a good game too anon. Simple, like REALLY simple, but good.
>>312460386
lets make a list of best ps4 ga- NO GAMES
>>312459210
>/v/irgin makes a furfag bait game
>knows that /v/ will hate popular games
WOW
Fuck no, this is why indie gaming must die, it allows fucks like this to be part of the industry, and they keep making games with absolutely pathetic communities.
For the first time, I'm glad /v/ is actively trying to kill the Undertale community and kick all these pathetic furfags out of here.
>>312459210
Stop acting like it's a big deal.
You make a furry homestuck anime game, of COURSE the fanbase will be fucking insufferable.
>>312461873
I wanted to tell you to fuck off but in reality you just need to learn to enjoy video games.
Go play something you like anon. If you don't like Undertale, maybe try something completely different. Ace Combat, perhaps? Skullgirls? I dunno. Find something you enjoy and stop being such a little shithead.
>>312461847
Shitposters don't make furry porn just for the sake of shitposting.
>>312462079
>you just need to learn to enjoy video games
Or maybe developers must remember how to make good games.
Undertale is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the indie market.
>>312462395
And do you see Undertale porn regularly posted here? Maybe lewds on occasion, but actual porn? In this place, a blue board?
But anyways I thought you were talking about the discussion of the game and how most threads here are
>Tumblr!
>Reddit!
>GOTYAY
>Metacritic
>pixel indieshit
>>312462526
you are grossly underestimating the amount of work it takes to make a vidya game.
>>312462613
2 hours ago mods deleted a thread full of furfags circlejerking.
At least FNAF furfaggots kept to themselves in /vg/, these fucks are bringing their trash to /v/
>doing everything in pacifist
>get to alphys
>get to alphys date scene
>get to alphys and undyne being lesbos
>>312457671
>market for the dev
>literally one fucking guy that made a game objectively better than AAA releases in 2015
do you read what you type sometimes?
>>312462526
>Undertale is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the indie market.
I'm going to assume by that bold, matter-of-fact statement, that you've actually played the game and aren't just pulling shit out of your ass.
>>312462752
That's the problem, no one puts effort anymore.
Sometimes, games like The Witcher 3 or Terraria pop up, but the rest of the time it's all shit, and even then, TW3's gameplay is still clunky.
>>312462526
>A game with a unique blend of gameplay mechanics that cleverly applies them is everything wrong with the indie market
If you don't like the story or aesthetic content, that's well within your rights, as is not liking the gameplay, but to say that it is the worst that the scene can offer is absurd.
>>312462752
Oh well, he's already a fucking millionaire while you will be doing something you hate for the rest of your life. He also got paid to sit in his basement and make it.
How is it possible not to be bitter?
Also, now a hundred thousand more other people will try to do the same thing, seeing his success.
where's the fucking good asriel fan art
>>312462963
Its not about effort here just sheer amounts work. You cant make AAA titles without millions of dollars to start with.
>>312462998
Not him, but the fact that according to the reviews this is the best indie gaming can offer just makes me give up on indies altogether.
>>312462881
Papyrus friendzones you way before they do.
>>312463164
Then stop hiring retardedly expensive actors like Troy Baker, stop with the mass advertising and you'll see how it's not that expensive to make those games.
What's up with GTA V, the game with the biggest budget ever, up there with Avengers 2's budget, have a totally broken multiplayer on launch, just an average optimization on PC and being probably the blandest 3D GTA?
>>312463042
wait what? I was saying it takes a lot of work to make a game wtf is all this shit?
>>312463068
>>312463423
And here's the cancer killing the Undertale threads.
>>312463068
nebulatower
>>312463615
A lot of projecting
>>312463438
even without any acting or mocap it would be millions. The point is the guy made a game to the best of his ability and people loved it. but it would be hard to do much more all by yourself. So indie games will always be lacking in the graphics department unless they know a bunch of good artists that works for peanuts.
>>312463735
meant for
>>312463452
>>312463068
>>312463423
Kill yourselves.
I don't have the game yet but I've been watching a couple LPs of it on my lunch breaks and after work.
It seems like a fun quirky little thing. Certainly worth 10 bucks.
I guess I'm just too new to /v/ to understand all the hate. I like the bullet hell battle system, I think it looks fun.
I mean, the story seems fun and unique. And the game isn't the best looking even by indie means - but it has a lot of charm...I think the Dog enemies are cute. I laughed a lot.
...Do...Does /v/ just hate fun?
>>312457365
It is literally the highest rated video game in history and the best WRPG of all time.
>>312464078
>Best WRPG
Motherfucker.
You did not just disregard Final Fantasy Mystic Quest, and Secret of goddamn Evermore.
>>312463950
>but officer it was fun robbing the store why are you arresting me
>>312464351
Objectively, it's better. Metacritic says so.
>>312464805
According to Metacritic Mass Effect 2, Skyrim and GTA V are among the 10 best PC games in history.
Also
>objectively
You can not rate fun and entertainment objectively.
>>312464805
an aggregate of subjective opinions is still subjective
>>312465137
>>312465292
Just fucking face it. It's the best game of 2015, it blew your favorite game this year out of the fucking water, the VAST majority of people agree, only you can't, because you're a hipster contrarian.
>>312465137
lol GTAV its the same god damned game they have been making since san andreas with shittier radio stations and writing.
>>312461873
You do realize that if you wanted it to die out, actively attempting to kill it is the worst thing to do? Given enough time people will stop going to the threads, but fans can't resist arguing with compulsive shitposters.
>>312465620
>It's the best game of 2015
For now.
>>312465620
>vast majority
>only has sold 60k
Dude, you do know there's probably more people out there who think Mad Max is GOTY, right?
In fact, by December, saying that Battlefront is shit will be considered being a contrarian.
>>312465674
It's just so painfully average, there's literally nothing to do outside of the missions, and there's a fuckload of places in the map that are quite interesting and are never used.
I really hope they release singleplayer expansions like GTA4's.
>>312465620
Nice bait you have there, Reddit.
>>312465816
fallout 4 will inevitiably be a buggy shitty mess, andit will still sell bazillions of copies regardless because AAA games are shit and nobody cares
>>312465886
I wanted to stay in the trailer park forever they really wasted the potential for some good shit there. consequently I never finished the game.
>>312458324
Your age is showing in a horrible way.
Why do people go on and on about how hate JRPGs and then rate Undertale 10/10
It just seems like they hate the Japanese. It's fine when a western dev develops one "ironically"
>>312458614
this
>>312461847
>FNAF is a good game too anon
AND... there goes all your credibility and say in the matter.
>>312461832
How many of them are depressed because of their awareness of the game's meta and their inability to do anything about it?
>>312458983
Making it actually require strategy instead of allowing players to bumble through it like a braindead zombie and effortlessly plow through everything.
I'm triggered simply by the replies this thread got.
>>312466182
I like it because it doesn't play like a JRPG. Instead of choosing attack all the time, using magic/status effects only on bosses, and healing occasionally, you don't have much gameplay in your average final fantasy for example. Here at least there is a casual bullet hell to keep me distracted, and guessing how to spare a monster is fun.
>>312463615
There is nothing wrong with liking and sharing artwork of a game you love
>>312466281
About that, what did he mean when he said "Our reports showed a massive anomaly in the time-space continuum"?
Who are the others he is referring to in addition to himself?
>>312466434
Then stop playing Final Fantasy.
This game rips off a lot of lesser known games and presents it like its new and original. Sparing enemies is something that even the original Megami Tensei has had as a feature since the beginning.
also Live a Live did a better job of the whole meta thing
>>312466513
Would you rather just have a traditional RPG story? IMO the meta talk is what makes Undertale unique among every RPG.
>>312466182
Because in the mid-90s the JRPG genre collapsed into a 'cinematic' shithole where the gameplay is a braindead afterthought in 95% of them.
>>312466597
He's actually a scientist who worked with Gaster during Chara's time. While ALphys headed the project to learn about Determination and how it works prior to her they had Gaster working on the effects of Determination, specifically it's ability to save and reset in points and time.
>>312466597
So the true lab has twenty-something reports, but report 17 doesn't actually show up in normal gameplay. It's in wingdings, suggesting that Gaster wrote it. It talks about "the next experiment" and ends by asking "what do you two think?"
I'm betting one of those two is Sans. No idea who the other is, though; Papyrus doesn't seem like a likely candidate.
>>312466549
Stop pretending like this is some innocent fan art appreciation club, you disgusting pathetic male furry feet freaks. 5 seconds in the general is enough to prove to anyone that the fanbase for the game is almost as bad as the Sonic fanbase while they all circle jerk to goat cock and male goat hybrid feet fetishes.
>>312466597
Gaster and Papyruswho doesn't do anything or know anything, just goes along with Sans, and Sans loves him enough to feel he has to include him even though he does nothing.``
>>312466618
It's not the sparing itself that is fun, but the process of finding out how you get to do it. In SMT, sparing demons was often just a matter of a bribe or a promise.
>>312466618
No, sparing enemies on megami tensei means choosing a menu option and not fighting. if you miss the enemy attacks you (which means an attack animation, numbers go down, your turn) Here while you're trying to calm down the monster it continues to attack you so you have to play a shmup in between turns instead of just watching an attack animation.
>>312466696
they still make retro RPGs in japan. this game doesn't really do anything different
>>312466597
If you enter Sans's secret room behind his house, you can find a picture of him and several people you don't know where he actually looks happy. That sort of implies he was in some sort of scientific group before the events of the game. I'm not sure if it's related to Gaster or not.
https://youtu.be/EoxUZmuZr8M?t=369
>>312466786
Might have been Alphys considering she takes over after Gaster gets absorbed into the Core.
>>312466828
>this game doesn't really do anything different
Yes, because there are loads of RPGs with bullet hell combat out there.Knights in the Nightmare was a terrible game
>>312466864
How is that skeleton bleeding?
>>312466961
Alphys is probably the best bet, yeah
>>312466513
>deleted
Mods=Gods
>>312467137
He's not. Monsters don't bleed.It's ketchup.
>>312467137
Bones contain blood inside
Or its just ketchup
Never even heard of this game until seeing vee talking about it constantly.
Download it, play up until I get past the town and the boss battle with that spooky skeleton.
"Yeaaaaah, that's enough." Uninstall wizard
>>312466864
>>312466281
>>312467269
>tumblr filename
This community has become a parody of itself.
>this thread actually got 150 replies
fascinating
>>312458991spider donut instantly ends muffet fightpie just makes asgore feel
>>312467416
Would you prefer a DA filename? A Pixiv one? It's just fanart.
>>312467416
ya know most sane people just use it as a image file hosting site, yeah? And if you're googling images of something, do you honestly go "well that's a pic I like, but it is hosted on the forbidden zone, so I can't have it"?
Sans means the absence of something.Does he have a soul?
>>312467416
>>312467601
There's literally nothing wrong with browsing tumblr for fanart orporn.
It's the only good thing that shitty website is good for.
>>312467974
He'ssans his brotherif you know what I mean.
>>312468121
>Killing Papyrus
What kind of a monster does one have to be to do that?
>>312467601
The only way to make up for your tumblr sins is to post more fanart of Sans.
>>312458309
yeah instead they play asscreed and fifa
>>312467974
>Sans fancies himself a comedian
>He speaks in Comic Sans
>His Brother is Papyrus, He speaks in Papyrus
No they're named after fonts.
https://soundcloud.com/dabunky/sans-on-the-sun
>>312467427
I'm to the point with this shitty board that I just ignore the OP and talk about whatever game they are trying to shitpost about. I mean most of the threads are going to be shit posting so if I don't just make the best of it then I'll never get to talk about video games.
>>312467974
His name is sans and he is a comic, his brother is also named after a font, that is all there is to it. You could say it means the absence of serifs.
>>312468307
I knew that, but it's not like a double meaning would be implausible in a game like this.
>>312468252
Half of my folder is Sans.
>>312468307
>No, they're X
What is a double entendre?
>>312458202
>it could never be done on consoles
Just because faggots like you have never played NIER doesn't mean that a console game can't fuck with your save files.
>>312468403
Sans has a soul though, otherwise you wouldn't level up after you murder him.
>>312468520
a word or phrase open to two interpretations, one of which is usually risqu├й or indecent.
>>312468590
What does that game do
>>312464567
wut
>>312468464
Already?
>>312468756
Then why don't you shatter it like you do with other bosses? Besides, isn't the level just an indication of "Level of violence", meaning how bloodthirsty you are?
>>312468875
I don't feel like dumping. Sorry.
>>312468995
Cuz of the shitty post times?
>>312468779
I can't tell you without spoiling it.
>>312468959
You're not aware but Sans is literally one of the weakest monsters in the game, he has 1 defense and 1 attack. That said he's the smartest and fastest bosses in the game.
He can't take a hit but he can dodge, he only does one damage but he hits you 45 or sp times in a second
He, like papyrus doesn't count as a boss though.
>>312469071
I guess. I'm just doing other stuff.
>>312469210
Oh. Ok.
>>312469093
does it change the story or modify your weapons or make u start from the beginning or
>>312459054
>or Flowing force closing the game for example couldn't be done.
It already has been done on the PS3
When's Hard Mode fam? I wanna take onBurgerpants.
>>312469369
>>312469369In one of the endings, in order to save your love interest, your daughter, and humanity, you have to sacrifice your existence. All of it.The game deletes all your accomplishments, then all your save data. Finally, your character disappears. Your daughter and love interest don't remember you or that you even existed, but for some reason they feel... sad.
>>312469093
I'm curious too.
Gimme a spoiler, I probalbly ain't playing it.You got spoiler tags for that.
This game honestly intimidates me.
I just beat a neutral route where Papyrus became king by process of elimination.
I've been looking up what it takes to get the other two endings, and realized there are also multiple neutral endings.
I'd have to get another neutral ending - the pre-pacifist ending - just to be able to play again and do the pacifist ending.
And getting the genocide ending makes it impossible to ever get the true pacifist ending.
And there's all kinds of secrets and shit to find, not only in the game but in the data too. There's one character who's entire existence is being partially dummied out and he's now trapped in the programming with no proper way of interacting with the game world or the player character.
No fourth wall exists whatsoever so the characters know when you save and reset and I don't know whether they're addressing the character or me.
Literally every decision you make ends up affecting your outcome.
There's too much story to keep track of.
I don't think I can play it again, there's too much pressure. I feel like the yellow snail.
Undertale was a great game and worth 9 dollars. Was a challenge on genocide and a good story on pacifist
stay buttmad /v/ hivemind that spoutes memes to attack games xD
>>312469093
I'm curious too.
Gimme a spoiler, I probably ain't playing it.You got spoiler tags for that.
>>312460740
Dude Sex was on the PS2
>>312469651
Would have been believable if it didn't have Flowey's face right at the end.
>these fucking kids don't know about NIER
That's when you know times are a changing.
>>312469948
It's just shit game design, not letting you have multiple save slots but having multiple endings that lock you out of other endings.
>>312469948
>just to be able to play again and do the pacifist ending.
No, if you did true pacifist you can load your save file and continue from there after watching the neutral ending. You don't have to restart the game from the beginning.
>>312469948
Here's what you do. Play the game, and don't fucking kill ANYTHING. Then play the game, and kill fucking EVERYTHING.
>>312470091
That's the best part though.
Howdy!
>>312470132
>not able to appreciate a game pushing its themes to the max
You only have one shot.In all seriousness though, I think its neat that games will go the extra mile to try and make a player's choices have more meaning. Sure it hurts replayability/the desire to know everything about a game, but it helps reinforce their themes and makes the player have to make genuine decisions that they'd want to make. It forces the player to think long and hard about what they want to do in the game, since your choices actually mean something.
>>312470132
Don't be such a baby. there's only one ending that prevents you from getting another, and that's all. Even then gameplay isn't affected. all of it's just for superficial flavor
>>312457365
>THAT GAME YOU LIKE SUCKS LOL
at least PRETEND like youre making an argument, this bait is too obvious
>>312470438
>having the replay the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME multiple times to see different endings because it only has one save file
>don't be a baby!
Yeah, no, fuck off.
>>312469369It completely erases the main character from the world. You can't use the same name either when you restart.
>>312469093
Fuck you should have just told them
Sans isn't fat, guys. He's just big-boned.
>>312470718
Pokemon has had this problem in the 90s and it didn't even have an excuse.Cant' the Mystery Dungeon games have multiple saves at the very least?
>>312470860
wait a second... that hoodie...
>>312470718
You can get the true pacifist ending on your first playthrough. Doing so shows you a neutral ending too. I know because that is what I did, the game is advertised as the RPG where you don't have to kill anyone, so that is what I did till the end of the game and got the true ending in the first tryhad to google how to spare Asgore though.
>>312470718
Well, having only one save file is kind of integral to the theme of the game. Were it any other game, I would think it's dumb too, but the game would have less of an impact if it had multiple savefiles. Just try to understand, I guess. Or don't, and hate it for a dumb reason.
so does love just come down to how willing you are to hurt others which makes killing monsters easy to kill since they are weak to murderous intent
or does it also make you stronger physically, I mean he basically punches reality in the face and destroys everything.
also pacifist frisk or chara, who's more determined, I guess knowing that answer would tell us which ending is canon which we simply don't know other than frisk pulled those stunts where he held on against somethign that had attack level infinity with sheer determination.
>>312470718
While the Neutral endings can be slightly different the only ones with major changes from the Neutral ending are the True and Genocide ones.
Guess Toby was wrong, we can't just let these threads die they need to be shitposted to oblivion instead.
RIP actual Undertale discussion.
>>312459210
He's right. This board is overloaded with autismos.
>>312470372
>there's a time limit during important choices
>>312470860
The fuck you doing on my turf carlos I thought I told you weren'tHumerusenough.
>>312470718
Well, having only one save file is kind of integral to the theme of the game. Were it any other game, I would think it's dumb too, but the game would have less of an impact if it had multiple savefiles. Just try to understand, I guess. Or don't, and hate it for a dumb reason.
You could just copy/paste save files manually anyway.
>>312470963
This, and the genocide route takes three hours to beat, most of which you can afk through. Kids just have no attention spans
>>312470098
nier sounds dumb and i dont know if im supposed to play as the bishounen guy or the angry dad guy. I'd rather play as that girl in it to be honest if you could I'd try it
>>312471027
I understand it i just don't like it. But trust me, that annoying detail isn't the only reason i find Undertale tedious.
>>312470718
Can't please everyone.
The game is all about story, responsibilities and shit, so I guess Toby would want you to actually play towards the ending you want to reach.
I can get how's that's not to your taste, but multiple save files would clearly not be welcome here.
Not to mention your save power and reset power are both in-universe powers, but that's going even further. He could just have added something else if he wanted.
>>312470860
CAAARLOOOOOOOS
So I just got the good ending.
Should I reset and try the genocide run? Is there only 3 endings? I don't want to feel bad about resetting
>>312471342
>I don't want to feel bad about resetting
you will, there is no way around it. either you don't reset, youhave a bad time
that's up to you of course, I chose to put the game down until maybe if a hard mode comes out after true pacifist.
>>312471342
Run Genocide but don't finish it. Immediately reset after getting to sans before asgore, and then run a pure pacifist run.
>>312471342
neutral just has different variances on who you befriend/kill
genocide is grindy but will only take you anywhere from 1-2 hours to get to the end boss depending on how much you already know. The bosses are worth the trouble, plus a different perspective on the world shows itself if you go down that path
>>312471342
There are a decent number of neutral endings with slight variations, depending on your choices. The only two endings you need to see are pacifist and genocide
>>312471342
There's Pacifist ending. Genocide ending. And a shit ton of varied neutral endings.
>>312470718
The game takes like one hour to play through once you've already beaten it once. It's not a very long game.
If you don't like it, you don't like it. No one's gonna force you.
>>312471342
There's like twelve different endings, depending on which monsters you kill or don't kill.
But there's basically only three endings that actually matter: Pure pacifist, Pure genocide, andPure pacifist again
>>312471509
That sounds kind of tedious, why would I do that?
I want a critical mode, where lv1 has only 1hp and getting hit by anything is death.
Then I want fewer save points in this mode too.
>>312470718
Having multiple saves would solve nothing, anon.
For pacifist, you don't have to kill anything. For genocide, you have to actively seek out enemies and kill them from the start of the game. So, you're gonna play the game twice anyway.
Do you just want several save files with "completed" games?
rev up them hot opinions
top 3 vidya i enjoyed this year (so far)
>Bloodborne
>Undertale
>Talos Principle
>>312459015
Why is Frisk a red head? Sunibee you bozo.
>>312471667
i love undertale but that image makes my stomach hurt
>>312471702
there's a handfull of things that are different in genocide that may be interesting to you, but if you actually complete it there's no going back
>>312471754
Splatoon, Undertale and I'm sure I've bought another game from this year but I can't remember right now. feels bad being poor
>>312471856
Don't listen to this anon
Okay this is going to sound weird, but while I haven't played Undertale, one thing I want to know from browsing this thread is, you know how that main-ish character 'goat mother' seems to have an evil or just angry form, how does that come along? Do you piss her off somehow?
>>312471856
Well I've already completed the game twice. First time was a faild pacifist ending where I didn't friend undyne, second time I friended everyone and got the happy endings. Now I'm just looking to get the bad endings. You say I can't go back after a genocide run, but is there any reason to go back?
Also, I just named myself Frisk and the game said I'll have a hard time. What is that about? Hard Mode?
>>312471702
If you complete a Genocide run you are permanently locked out of getting a True Pacifist ending because your soul is sold. You actually have to fuck around in Steam Cloud settings and reset the game because of how the meta shit works.
>>312471856
>there's no going back
Just uninstall reinstall.
Toby fox wants to be meta but that faggot ain't that smart.
>>312472039
Enemies are tougher and puzzles aren't labelled. It only lasts until the end of the demo section after fighting Toriel.
I'm starting to think consolefags are bigger graphicswhores than PCfags.
>>312471994
You mean with the armor?
That's a different character.
>>312471754
That's not goat mom.That's goat bro.
>>312471667
It's cute how people think UT's branching narrative is super complex.
>best
Literally no one believes this except Tumblr Homofags and their opinion means jackshit.
>>312472039
Not unless you want to just replay the game for the hell of it. It taints your game for further runs, but you can fix that
Yeah
>>312472039
well I mean, yeah it's hard mode but it's not really a thing either. and I mean I guess you can say there's no reason to go back, but for me I let myself get immersed in games so the thought of ruining what I accomplished in true pacifist doesn't sit well with me
>>312472132
you have to do a little more that that but well fuck you I guess.
>>312472081
Is there a truer pacifist ending thaneveryone being happy and going to the surface?
>>312472168
Fuck 4chan, that was for >>312471994
>>312459015
more toriel
>>312471994
You mean with the armor?
That's a different character.
>>312472081
That is not fucking true, it just makes the ending worse, it doesn't lock you out of it.
Don't say it like that, they'll believe you man.
>>312471667
>anime is real
That part was torture. I would have preferred waterboarding to the sheer room 101 insanity that was the Alphys date. If Toby wasn't a pussy he would have put in an option for me to Supreme Gentlemen the two right there.
>>312472254Saving Asriel's soul.
>>312472175
It's cute how people think [RPG]'s branching narrative is super complex.
>>312459210
He's right though, It has happened with literally every game that /v/ ever liked that became a huge hit,
Fuck, It happens when anything this shithole likes becomes popular,
this place is full of contrarians and hipsters,
The moment a Normie praises it, /v/ hates it.
>its GOTY because some memers on /v/ say so
Ok
>>312472335
That's so mean, anon. You don't want Alphys to go do something cowardly, do you?
>>312472368
Asriel is dead
You see a flower with his essence
his soul is gone and so is his body
Boy howdy, I'm glad it's canon that he's beyond saving. Asrielfags are the fucking worst. ; )
>>312472368
I already did that. He was the one that told me not to reset again. Which is why I'm here asking if it's worth it for a genocide run.
>>312472335
I thought the date with undyne was going to make me pee with laughter. That shit was comic gold.
post yfw Dummy ghost battle
more Toriel ass
>>312471038
>also pacifist frisk or chara, who's more determined
Well considering Chara reappears after being pacifist frisk, it has to be chara.
>>312472584
That battle music, that whole everything.
Then, the genocide route.... I almost faltered
>>312457365
>with a basic ass turnbased combat system
This was amazing bait until there. You could have had something truly special, OP.
What a waste of an opportunity.
>>312472619
what? Chara only "comes back" if you the player true reset everything, or of course if this is already a soulless pacifist run in which case chara never left because you sold your soul to him you fuck
![depositphotos_8173160-Very-drunk-man[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/NqVlKfF.jpg "depositphotos 8173160-Very-drunk-man[1]")
>Skeleton explains complicated color puzzle
"wow this actually sounds really fun! Maybe this could be a pretty good game after-
>there is no puzzle
>it's just a straight path
fuck this meme game
>>312459015
Oh christ sunibee makes me want to jam my head in those sweaty ass cheeks and DIE
>>312472584
Fucking hilarious.I liked it better than any of the final bosses that everyone wanks over
>>312472815
>Put a simple minigame in the turnbased combat
>Not basic as fuck
Who is chara? Is itthe player character before they become frisk? I'm confused.
>>312473009
>That puzzle comes back as a real puzzle.
>>312459210
>hating on principle
It always was a furshit meme game, the only thing that changes over time is how many furfags start latching on to it and come shitpost with their Tumblr Homoshit furfaggotry.
>>312473009
get further in the game
Fuck everything, this is now a Temmie thread.
>>312473009
>the joke
>high earth orbit
>your head
>>312473117
Play the game. Chara is the human you name.
>>312473009
I bet you got to mettaton and failed the puzzle
>>312473120
>>312473156
The game doesnt actually expect you to be able to do it then though.
Anyone got a webm of Asriel's trippy boss fight animation?
>>312460860
But I thought Sony less than three's indies?
>>312462918
>objectively better
Do you?
>>312469987
>>xD
1/10
Fucking Undying.
I did pacifist and didn't think I would feel happy about fighting these people, but then I found out some of them have a great fighting spirit, kinda feel bad there's no mainline path where you can fight her like this to submission.
>that kid who played video games for the rich story
>>312473009
Has the part of your brain pertaining to critical thought been removed by chance?
>>312472815
shit was made in game maker dont even try to act like he was sweating over lines of code to make this happen.
He's banking on the game getting big from our anger
How long is typically this game for the first run?
>>312473171
Temmie is garbage
>>312473641
>shit was made in game maker dont even try to act like he was sweating over lines of code to make this happen.
So what? You don't need to be a programmer to make a game, it's two thousand fucking fifteen.
You sound like one of those ass-burgers who makes shitty generic D&D roguelike-style games, and expects everyone to be impressed because it was written in C+ or whatever.
Hold up, /v/ hates Undertale? I seem to recall /v/ talking about this game, like, half a year ago. With Toriel waifu threads and that fucking sunflower.
Why is being sold now? Should I buy it?
>>312473804
About 6-8 hours if you're one of those pedantic searchers and talk-to-everyone-ers
Don't forget to phone Papyrus twice in every zone.
>>312473804
about 4 or 5 hours
>>312473832
You dont have to you're right.
I have played this and again I am not impressed with the game-play. sorry that offends you.
I dont make rouge likes either but I do know how to program and trust me he could of made a lot more with game maker.
People can be criticized this is the problem with indie scene, the fan bases are so rabid.
>>312473804
Took me 20 hours
>>312473907
It's being hated on because of the same reason /v/ always hates on relatively new and popular games, which is basically because it's new and popular. I'd honestly say it's worth the ten bucks.
>>312473804
II played without killing anyone and it took me about 15 hours
>>312473804
Took 12 hours for me in pacifist playthrough
>>312469548
>They will never, ever, ever, ever, ever patch it
Fucking fuck fuck fuck it all to hell, I just want to enjoy this game for Halloween.
>>312473907
When it came out people were sperging out that "why is /v/ suddenly talking about this small indie game out of nowhere? shills! shills!" but I looked in the archives (R.I.P. moe) and there were Undertale threads in back 2013. People are hating it now because of the whole metacritic thing and it being popular.
>>312473907
People hate it out of principle because it got talked about too much.
>>312474137
>playing Metallia on Halloween
The comfiest time of the year.
>>312473907
Became popular, so 80% of /v/ who hasn't played it says it's shit.
They are so deeply ingrained in their Reddit Boogyman Complex that they can't enjoy something they otherwise would have.
>>312474073
>/v/ always hates on relatively new and popular games
>>312473804
just neutral ending: 5-6 hours
neutral end, pacifist -> true pacifist: total of 10-12 hours
all of the above + genocide: 14-15 hours
all the endings and secrets: who knows
>le man is the real monster
>>312474326
>They are so deeply ingrained in their Reddit Boogyman Complex
As opposed to your /v/ Booygman Complex where "80% of /v/ who hasn't played it says it's shit". The irony of this post is mindblowing.
>>312473907
/v/ hates it, so it should be a pretty decent game.
>>312474449
>le you're so horrible for playing this videogame like a videogame, gamer who plays videogames!!!!
>>312474287
I spent about 20 minutes patting the dogs and am I under a contract to finish games as fast as I can?
>>312474326
Played it and it's still shit, did both routes too, don't give a shit about a neutral run. Popularity has nothing to do with it, but at the same time popularity attracts Tumblr faggots like yourself.
>>312462881
You're a child. You probably weren't even on their radar. Well, except for Papyrus but he's just fooling himself.
>>312460386
you can get minecraft on a fucking iphone, try harder
2/10 made me stop lurking
>>312473804
Just completed first run neutral route, took me 8 hours
>>312474724
What didn't you like about it?
haven't seen anyone post them and google didn't have the results so I cropped these out real quick. Just seemed strange that it wasn't anywhere to be found so I figured why not.
>>312457365
I like mmos and emulating old shit, so pc is great. I think Tera is a lot of fun. Fite me.
>yfw you have too many dogs in your inventory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4wptBuM6zs
>>312475053
That bit made me so happy, there wasn't nearly enough dog content in the game
>>312474724
>Tumblr faggots
Can't make an argument without Tumblr or Reddit somewhere in there.
>yfw
Why is it that the main character looks like such shit but pretty much every other sprite looks good, how the fuck did he think that was good enough?
>>312474812
>furfaggotry, all monsters are just unimaginative generic fursonas except for the ghosts, the skeletons and a couple of random enemies
>horrible art style inconsistency
>no run button
>30 FPS
>Genocide run padding by severely lowering enemy encounter rate passed off as LE SOCIAL JRPG GENRE DECONSTRUCTION
>DUDE ANIME LMAO
>shit Homestuck tier humor including LE TYPING QUIRKS
>Flowery turned out to be just a generic sad furry
>short as fuck, only 4 areas, shortness becoming even more apparent in a Genocide run and the only thing making those runs slower is the encounter rate reduction mentioned before
>overdone and tired LOL HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS SO DEEP FEEL BAD FOR PLAYING VIDEOGAMES AND KILLING VIRTUAL MONSTERS IF YOU KILL THEM YOU ARE THE REAL MONSTER
>>312474686
I think I realize now why /v/ hates this game.
It's because it criticizes what it fundamentally means to be a "gamer." But it doesn't do it in a fun playful way like Metal Gear Solid; it actually goes out of its way to try and make you feel ashamed of your words and deeds.
>>312470718
You can still see all three endings though.
Neutral Ending without killing anyone, reload the save after the ending to do the last thing you gotta do to get pacifist and then get pacifist. After that True Reset and do your Genocide run.What, you didn't want to do a true reset because of Flowey's bullshit everyone's happy speel? Data is data, just wipe the fucker and keep playing. You're about to destroy the world anyways
It took me about 5 hours for my first playthrough without killing anyone, 30 minutes to an hour to complete pacifist then another 3-4 to do genocide and I never felt lost doing it. YOu only have to replay it once because guess what? You're playing the entire game a different way, you aren't just replaying it to see one ending.
>>312475431
the complete lack of detail makes it ambiguous if it's a girl or boy, at least that's the reason I assume.
>>312474287
Don't hate on those who want to take their time and enjoy the game, anon
>>312461987
>I can't like this, someone I don't like likes it!
I have a hard time understanding this.
>>312475574
>I think I realize now why /v/ hates this game.
/v/ loved this game
it's just shitposting
>>312475574
I don't know about this /v/ person you are talking about but I can tell you why I hated it before I played it.
Because of the fucking shilling treating the game as a 11/10 masterpiece GOTYAY and the coming of the new age for the industry.
>>312475476
Fair enough, but the complaint about 30fps seems a bit out of place, why does it matter if it runs at 30 or 60 frames?
>>312475476
now watch as they try to break down you're option, and call you wrong
>>312475476
>le le le le le le
dude shut up
>>312474724
>did both routes
>didn't give a shit about neutral run
Pick one, anon. You gotta do neutral to get pacifist.
>>312462881
>>312474771
>>312463307Alphys is confirmed bi.
>>312475835
such a fantastic post anon, I would almost feel bad if I didn't respond.
It wasn't awful, but people putting it in their top 5 all time and shit don't play enough goddamn video games.
>>312475476
>complaining about 30fps on a game like this
I can understand your other concerns but seriously get a fucking grip on this one.
>>312475782
Choppier overworld animation, makes traversing the world feel even slower even if it really isn't, game as a whole would benefit from 60 FPS even difficulty wise but it's not as big of a deal in battles.
>>312475476
>DUDE ANIME LMAO
You don't like anime?
Why are you here?
>>312474287
It took me 10 hours but only because i had to wait for my retardedgirlfriendto catch up to me every time i got ahead of her
>>312475880
I got true pacifist on my very first run after downloading the game, no previous runs or savesalready knew what to do from all these threads.
>>312475476
>no run button
what the fuck was I pressing whenever I hit flee in the spare menu then?
>overdone and tired LOL HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS
eh more of monsters want to think humans are the real monsters, we meet a lot of nice monsters but they've also done some pretty fucked up things themselves. No one remembers their own history as the villain, anon.
>>312476023
Because I do yet 90% of the humor from the second half of the game consisting DUDE ANIME LMAO memes is shit and lazy as fuck.
>>312475476
>overdone and tired LOL HUMANS ARE THE REAL MONSTERS SO DEEP FEEL BAD FOR PLAYING VIDEOGAMES AND KILLING VIRTUAL MONSTERS IF YOU KILL THEM YOU ARE THE REAL MONSTER
I am beginning to suspect you may not have played the game...
>>312476150
Run button =/= Flee option
>>312476013
Alright that is fair, I appreciate your opinion.
>>312476150
He means run as in sprint
>>312476224
I believe the only time anime is mentioned is relating to Alphys.
I could be wrong.
Fuck off faggots.
I had more fun playing Undertale than any other games that came out this year.
GOTY 2015 for many people whether you like it or not.
>>312476340
Alphys and her date. That's it.
>this sans boss fight
umm
>>312476110
Do you mean you did the neutral no killing ending, reloaded the save and didthe true labto get the pacifist ending then do a genocide run? Cause I'm still fairly certan a prerequisite to the pacifist ending is completing neutral. I mean fuck I'll play through it to test it again with wiped data to be sure for myself, i got an hour or two to kill anyways.
>>312476423
Undyne mentions it a little too I think?
>>312476532
He warned you. He warned that you're gonna have a bad time.Carry nothing but health items, save your max health items for the second phase. Otherwise all you can do is git gud.
>>312476423
Undyne occasionally mentions it in her phone conversations.
She doesn't actually like anime though. To Undyne, anime is literally just "that thing Alphys and I watch when we're hanging out."
>>312476532
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ69kBP7uok
>>312475976
>Hey, I replied to your post so you can see this other reply to your post.
Why do people do this?
>>312476246
>humans were the ones who sealed the monsters after the war
>humans far more powerful than monsters
>monsters just went and did their own peaceful thing, they wanted to live in peace
>fallen human actually hated humans and poisoned himself so he could have his revenge against them by fusing his soul with a monster soul, didn't give a shit about his furry friend in the end and got him killed too
>plan from monsters to get 6 souls and break the barrier didn't come into effect until after this happened
>happy music just disappears in a Genocide run and goes all grimdark
>YOU FEEL YOUR SINS CRAWLING ON YOUR BACK
>game goes far of its way to paint you as a serial murderer and the anti monster Christ
>all areas are empty and evacuated because YOU WERE THE REAL MONSTER ALL ALONG AND THE GOOD MONSTERS ARE TRYING TO STOP YOU
>>312476532
What's wrong anon?
Are you having a bad time?
>>312475967
>on a game like this
You mean a game where not taking damage involves very precisely moving through obstacles?
How exactly would 60 fps not be ideal?
>>312476660
>>312476625
I never called anyone so I didn't hear those.
>>312476546
You need to not gain any experience, and become friends with everybody before you fight Asgore.
>>312476660
>She doesn't actually like anime though. To Undyne, anime is literally just "that thing Alphys and I watch when we're hanging out."
Tell her anime isn't real.
See what happens.
>>312476246
so the whole CHARA is the good feeling when you level up in RPGS have nothing to do with trying to make the player feel bad about grinding, in, JRPGS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atYKV0ad34U
this video is underrated and needs to be seen by more people
>>312475348
FLOWERS ARE CRUEL, FRISK
Why do people keep calling Undertale a JRPG
It's a western game
Do they not know what the J stands for? Are they that stupid?
>San's word jumble has 'SAVE ASRIEL' hidden in the top line
why you gotta hurt a nigga like that, Toby.
>>312476625
Anime is mentioned three times in the game, Alphys wants you to watch it with her, Undyne believe anime are historical because of Alphys' lies and really likes the concepts of giant swords and saving princessesthough I kind of like that, get the feeling she would shit brikes over gurren lagannand once again it's mention on their date when Alphys confesses anime isn't real and Undyne asks you if it's true.
It may sound like a lot but really is much less than it seems, puns (especially skeleton related) are far more prevalent
>>312457365
The story is really great if you pay attention to it.
There are a ton of easter eggs and different endings.
The battle system is fairly unique and requires the player to pay attention, despite being turn based.
The music is excellent.
The characters are quirky and likable.
The game is fun.
What else do you want?
>>312476680
You seem to be omitting some of the monster's side of the story.
Namely the part where Asgore declares a war of genocide against humans.
>>312476761
...and do the neutral ending?
Once again Ill play it just to be sure so if I'm wrong whatever but doesn't pacifist miss the info dump about Asriel in the hallway? You also never fight Algore in pacifist.
>>312476680
>>happy music just disappears in a Genocide run and goes all grimdark
>>YOU FEEL YOUR SINS CRAWLING ON YOUR BACK
>>game goes far of its way to paint you as a serial murderer and the anti monster Christ
>>all areas are empty and evacuated because YOU WERE THE REAL MONSTER ALL ALONG AND THE GOOD MONSTERS ARE TRYING TO STOP YOU
this shit only happens if you literally roleplay a serial murderer, though. the game doesn't have to "go out of its way," you just have to do that and then the game responds appropriately
it's much easier and more natural to, you know, not hunt down and kill everyone in the game
>>312476979
that happened after his son died tho
>>312476926
If you flirt with papyrus one of the lines the game says something like he is putting MTT brand anime powder behind his ears.
I just found out about the secret boss fight.
Can someone tell me why someone would think it was a good idea to ask devs of a game to put in their literal self insert furry fat fetish persona in their game? How do you ask for that without realizing you sound like a complete tool. Is it just lack of self awareness?
The Dev handled it as best as he could, and I'm sure he feels bad about all the heat this guy's getting, but come the fuck on. Even one of his other fat fetish characters would have been preferable to him putting in his literal fursona.
>>312477052
So you're saying it's justified?
Because BOTH wars of genocide can't be.
>>312476979
The monsters blame the war on the humans, yet even then Asgore didn't start gathering souls until after his kid died.
>>312476660
>She doesn't actually like anime
She does. Like, a lot. She's probably a bigger weeb than Alphys.
Whenever she says she doesn't care about anime, and that it's "for nerds", she's just trying to act cool. Remember, when the barrier is broken one of her first thoughts is "woah, think of all the anime we'll be able to watch!"
>>312477028
>your LV is actually your LOVE FOR VIOLENCE XDDDD
Why is fighting back in self defense demonized in this videgame?
Hell, why is treating this VIDEOGAME like a VIDEOGAME characterized as some super evil thing?
Why is it that flowey makes a fucking on the nose remark about people being too cowardly to take the genocide path and looking up the ending on youtube?
Tobyfox's writing gets pretentious as fuck when you do anything but a pacifist/true pacifist run.
>>312476789
But that's a lie, anon. Anime IS real.
>>312476356
nobody is stopping you or your furfag friends from having shit taste
>>312476834
Haha that's such a cute and quirky thing to say how does toby come up with it
>>312477185
that remark is because doing a genocide run has consequences in all further pacifist runs. People watching it on youtube just escape from consequences
>>312477185
>Why is fighting back in self defense demonized in this videgame?
It's not. Only killing is. You can fight back until they relent. Killing them afterwards is a cruelty. It's like shooting someone while they're running away.
>>312477185
>WHY ISN'T THIS VIDEO GAME LIKE LITERALLY EVERY OTHER VIDEO GAME FUCKING PRETENTIONS TBH FAM LOL >:(
I hope you slip into a coma and your family pulls the plug you nigger faggot
>>312476680
The music gets grimdark because in spite of who is innocent or not in the war, what YOU are doing is committing an act of genocide. Regardless of who is "more wrong" in the war or moral standing what you are doing is undeniably fucked up to a race of sentient beings.
So yeah, when you do a GENOCIDE run you are a monster. Deal with it.
Everything else is debatable though, monsters do their share of fucked up things like child murdering, soul altering experiments and essentially necromancy. Humanity...made Manos the Hands of Fate or some shit, pick your poison.
>>312477185
>Why is fighting back in self defense demonized in this videgame?
because all of the characters who tell you that are the people you'd be fighting
>Hell, why is treating this VIDEOGAME like a VIDEOGAME characterized as some super evil thing?
because that's literally what ludonarrative dissonance is
>Why is it that flowey makes a fucking on the nose remark about people being too cowardly to take the genocide path and looking up the ending on youtube?
because that was ridiculously fucking funny
>>312477092
Forgot about that but he also does that with like 4-5 other different types of powder so it's hard for me to consider that an anime reference
>>312477028
>doesn't go out of its way
>creepy music everywhere after you murder everything
>protagonist just rushes towards every major character before their boss fights
>everyone calls you a psycho or a murderer
>please don't hurt my family
>everyone sacrificing themselves to protect the innocents
>would have straight up killed a kid if it wasn't for Undyne's sacrifice
>all monsters acting like they're the real good guys trying to stop you, the bad guy
>you know, not hunt down and kill everyone
>don't play the other half of the game
Chara walked into the throne room. There, he found Asgore. He greeted Chara, smiling as always, mistakenly believing he was just a strange kind of monster. Chara mercilessly attacked Asgore, seriously injuring him with a single hit. Then Flowey appeared and finished him off.
-H-hey, itтАЩs me, Flowey! Your best friend! тАУ said Flowey.
-тАж- said Chara.
-D-did you see that? I killed him for you! I told you IтАЩd never betray you! IтАж I can be usefulтАж Please donтАЩt kill me...
Flowey started to cry. Chara, unmoved by the scene, was preparing his knife to cut Flowey in thousands of pieces, or better put, his (previously) best friend Asriel. But suddenly, he changed his mind. A new malevolic thought crossed his mind, one that was guaranteed to cause more suffering than a simple and quick execution. тАЬAfter all, the more you ACT with a creature, the more EXP you receive when you kill itтАЭ Chara thought to himself, smiling. тАЬI think IтАЩm going to ACT with Flowey for a while.тАЭ
-Greetings, Asriel. Worry not, for IтАЩm not going to kill you. You can, indeed, be of use.
Flowey looked surprised. He was almost certain that Chara was going to kill him. тАЬYes? H-how can I help you? IтАЩll do anything for my best friend!тАЭ
Chara unzipped his pants, and before Flowey could react, he put his dick inside his mouth. Being a flower, Flowey could not fight back, He was too shocked to be able to think anything or fight back. He just stood there, taking the punishment. He never thought THAT was what Chara wanted from him. His best friend, doing such things to him, without caring the least bit. He couldn't deal with the sadness. He just stood there, completely motionless with a blank expression mentally scarred for the rest of his life... which were just a few minutes, because after Chara finished, he killed him.
-Ah, nice. He gave me a lot of EXP.
Well, it's time to delete this world.
>>312477219
It's "real" in the sense that it exists. But it's not "real life."
>>312476979
yes, Asgore said he would collect seven souls and break the barrier and destroy humanity. But that was only to give the monsters hope after what happened with Asriel. He was a coward. He didn't even want to kill anyone - his hope was that no humans would ever fall into the underground again (and it's certainly inferred they were very very rare.)
Asgore could have just left the barrier after the first human and killed a few more for their souls, but he didn't. Toriel even calls him on this.
>>312477305
>It's not. Only killing is. You can fight back until they relent.
You can't do this with all the enemies though. Some you have to take actions with to get the option to mercy them, but that certainly doesn't stop them from ATTACKING YOU first.
>>312462881
>Wanting to fuck Alphys
>Not wanting the goat you can flirt with and then live with
Poor form
>>312477106
Temmie is an insert of the main artist, a shitty and retarded one but then again aren't they all
>>312477456
To genocide you have to deliberately hunt down all the monsters in every area. Are you telling me that's "self defense"?
>>312477362
Wow, that's so deep and emotionally moving. Does any person but Toby have such a large understanding of the human condition and all its plights? This game is almost as deep as the catcher in the rye.
i killed that bitch
>>312457590
my computer is barely a year old and honestly i dont think undertale is very good i mean its not terrible by any sense but its also not very good
>>312477565
Exactly, and if you do that you get a neutral end, no spooky music, and end the game on a relatively decent note.
You only get the game demonizing you if you literally go out of your way to kill everyone.
>>312477456
You seem to be missing the point.
You can play the other half of the game as you wish, but realize that the path you're going down is killing everything in your path until nothing left stands in your way. If the game acted as normal that would be even weirder.
>>312477106
>Can someone tell me why someone would think it was a good idea to ask devs of a game to put in their literal self insert furry fat fetish persona in their game? How do you ask for that without realizing you sound like a complete tool. Is it just lack of self awareness?
Furries.
Money.
Yes.
>>312477460
the things i find on /v/
>>312477565
You can also run away, the chance of success must be pretty high because when I played it was like 100% against any enemy that doesn't trap you in.
>>312477185
>grrrr, violence in videogames is NATURAL and RIGHT
>how dare they try to make me feel guilty when I go out of my way to murder every living thing that walks up to me?
Congratulations, you've basically just proven Toby right.
>>312477607
I'm saying the Genocide path it's the same generic, boring and overdone YOU ARE THE REAL MONSTER I'M SUBVERTING THE ENTIRE JRPG GENRE YOU GAIN EXECUTION POINTS INSTEAD OF EXPERIENCE AREN'T I SO CLEVER, what's so hard to understand? Read the whole fucking chain.
>>312477185
>why is fighting back in self defense demonized?
It's not.
The game makes it blatantly obvious you can end every encounter without violence. You, playing the game, essentially are the protagonist. So once you know that, anything you kill is because you want to.
>>312477590
I'd insert something into that self.
>>312463068
Major spoiler for a game that's been out for less than a month. More people will draw deathgoat once the game has been around longer.
Also, I don't understand his part in the story at all. He was the flower that could delete savefiles and turn into a horrible style breaking monstrosity, but his really REAL form is a JRPG goat with anime rainbow attacks? Seems like this form should have been before the nightmare fuel one.
>>312477456
>be a mass murdering psychopath
>get treated like a mass murdering psychopath
>"wow this game is so pretentious"
>>312477749
It goes down the more you run, and the encounter rate goes up.
>>312477506
No. Anime is real.
If you think it's not real, that's just because your life is boring and not anime enough.
>>312477751
I'm not him.
And I certainly enjoyed the game.
But violence against something that isn't alive isn't really comparable to something that is.
I don't think you're a bad person for doing the genocide route. The anon seems to think the game wants to make a judgement call on the player, i.e., the person behind the character.
And he'd be accurate in saying any kind of judgement there is in fact, a little shallow.
>>312477771
Because you are literally choosing to kill everyone. It's not like other games where you have no choice if you want to actually play the game like Spec Ops.
>>312477835
Yeah I like this game a lot but the ending fights feel kind of backwards. Flowey also feels like much more of a threat.
>>312477839
>kill a single enemy
>get locked out of most of the game's content and story
>get called out on it
>wow you're a bad person for playing RPGs where you kill monsters
>don't play Genocide
>wow you're complaining about a game and you haven't played all the routes
>>312473641
>He's banking on the game getting big from our anger
So how about you stop being angry. And stop shitposting about it. And stop giving it so much attention.
That would be nice.
>>312477835
Asriel is more of a playable epilogue than a fight. You literally can't lose.
>>312477839
>judging people who kill literally nothing living the same as literal murderers.
Come on anon. I loved the game, but you can't tell me playing a route in a video game is the same as hurting someone or something in real life.
i checked this game out. it was memes, feels, and incredibly lame puzzles. the only thing interesting was the schmup part of combat and even that was lame since there's enough healing to just face tank all the bullets. i got a refund at 1 hour and 59 minutes. not surprised internet nerds think its goty, it's like a video game version of movies that are cynically crafted to be oscar bait, except for internet nerds.
>>312477659
your ass seems fractured, friend.
>>312457365
>Turiel's tree
Deep, man.
>>312458834
dumbass when an NPC gives you a special item, ESPECIALLY a consumable, you hoard that shit in literally every RPG
>>312478002
>>get locked out of most of the game's content and story
Except you aren't? In fact you can only get all the content by doing neutral runs with varying amounts of killing.
>>312477771
>act like a mass-murderer
>get treated like a mass-murderer
>"wow wtf this game is so preachy"
Jesus dude. If you want to murder everything in your path without being judged, there are countless games where you can do exactly that. Go play Super Mario Bros or something, you autistic misanthrope.
>>312478002
Too bad the tagline is literally "No one has to die".
You'd have to be retarded to kill an enemy in this game and not expect some sort of punishment.
>>312478092
You are on 4chan.
You are an internet nerd.
>>312477185
Self-defense isn't demonized.
Settling conflicts non-violently is exactly as effective as killing in this game, and the game makes in clear. So if you, the player, choose to kill things, the game treats it appropriate - you choosing you murder things when you know there are other options.
>>312478078
In the context of the game, anon. Do you get mad when the cops in GTA arrest you because "they're only pixels!"
>>312478178
>it's ok when my meme furry game makes empty and vapid social commentary about killing in videogames
>>312473068
>I never left the Ruins
>>312473641
>He's banking on the game getting big from our anger
I heard about it from the Kickstarter like a year ago, then again when people were getting hype about the release. The only time anyone got angry was when people saw the graphics and remembered it's still a meme to hate pixelated stuff regardless of how well it's done.
If you hate it so much, stop visiting and creating Undertale threads. You won't be missed.
>>312473641
the game is already big, it's already sold over 500k and every major youtuber is doing videos of it.
he doesn't need your anger, m8.
>>312478203
NO ITS NOT TRUE, IT CANT BE!
>>312478092
I'm glad you were able to get your money back. The game definitely isn't for everyone.
>>312477771
>hunt down and kill every single enemy in the game
>HURR WHY'S THE GAME TREATING ME LIKE A MONSTER THIS IS SO OVERDONE
>>312478257
>its okay when your choices do not matter in my telltale, mass effect and call of doody VIDYA GAMES
>>312478249
>In the context of the game, anon
I think what the other anon is saying the game is accosting the player.
Not the character.
Literally,
"you, the person holding the controller are a jerk"
Not,
"Hey frisk, you're a jerk"
or,
"You chara, you're a jerk."
>>312457365
I tried it and formed my own opinion that it was fun despite having some qualities I generally don't like in games. Sorry you couldn't break from the anti-RPG meme long enough to have fun for once.
>>312478257
but it wasn't social commentary.
>/v/ complains about meme games
>can only write and think and post and shitpost in meme language
Come on.
>>312473641
The game already made bank you idiot, based on lots of people liking it.
If he was pulling a "I GOTTA GET EVERYONE MAD EH HE HE" he would be pulling a phil fish.
>>312478257
>I don't like/get it
>I'd better use big words like empty and vapid to describe it
>>312478317
>it's already sold over 500k
lol no
>>312478078
by the same token, you can't tell me that being made to feel bad by a video game is like "judging people the same as literal murderers"
people are quick to point out that the violence is fantasy. what the hell is wrong about the fantasy narrative acknowledging the fantasy violence?
>>312478002
of course you're gonna get locked out of a certain part of the game if you kill the character that it's based around
you get neutral endings even if you kill everything you encounter. but then sans will be appropriately pissed that you killed his friends and family
its sad you idiots are calling it a tumblr game when you're appropriately treated like shit for killing relatively sympathetic creatures when there's an alternative
if you killed people irl you'd get treated like a psycho too
>>312477771
you seem genuinely retarded, maybe video games just aren't for you.
>>312478368
And Earthbound has the characters literally pray to you. So does Drawn to Life. You are literally God in plenty of games. You, as a player, ARE being a jerk to the characters in the game by killing them when you don't have to.
>>312478169
You get locked out of dates and various plot points until you reset. You can also get all the content with no killing, I didn't kill everyone but didn't befriend the lizard, then Flowery told me to do that then reloaded my save before Asgore. I did the whole True Lab sequence and then unlocked the true ending, again with zero kills.
>>312457365
>its not a game unless its AAA with mirrion shekkel budget and endorsed by cancer e-bilirity and featured repeatedly by corrupt journalist
consolefag ladies and gentleman
Someone should do a social experiment where they attack toby out in the streets relentlessly, and see if toby tries to talk his way out of it, or fight back. It would be an interesting search into the minds of an indie dev.
>>312478298
>> well it's done.
Now I know you're being shit.
>>312478509
>You can also get all the content with no killing
You can't, though. The ending changes depending on who is alive at the end.
You also obviously can't access the Genocide route.
>>312478002
>get locked out of most of the game's content and story
10% if I'm being generous, come on now you can complain about more worthy things like how if you do kill an enemy on your first run you have to play a 3 hour game over again to get pacifist ending. I mean that's kind of a valid complaint if there weren't games people replay all the time that are 20 hours + for small variations or other endings.
>>312478520
Chara spotted.
>>312478485
No, you are the retarded cancers killing videogames by trying to make everything a feels simulator DO YOU FEEL LE SINS ON YOUR BACK YET YOU MONSTER DO YOU FEEL INTELLECTUAL FOR KNOWING KILLING IN VIDEOGAMES IS BAD.
>>312478509
>kill character
>WOW WHY CAN'T I DATE HER
Are you retarded? GTA games lock you out of missions if you kill the character early.
Early TES games lock you out of any sort of ending whatsoever if you kill the wrong person. It's a non-issue.
>>312478503
>You, as a player, ARE being a jerk to the characters in the game by killing them when you don't have to.
But they aren't living, and they aren't real, so, the consequences of this mean nothing.
It means that this is fine, and judgements on this are meaningless.
Literally:
So?
Treating objects like objects is fine. It's not morally wrong to go on a killing spree killing digital creatures.
>>312478520
>haha video game logic applies to real life!
You should be slapped for being so retarded.
>>312478298
>>I never left the Ruins
I played through the whole game.
Are you saying the game evolves from turnbased combat with simple minigames at some point because I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
>>312469987
>tfw I had to go back for healing items after trying to talk to him and getting killed 11 times, realizing I actually have to kill this idiot.
The game makes it clear you can't fight anyone if you wanna be a cool dude and all of a sudden I gotta kill the big nice goat dad. Shiieet.
>>312478683
To the digital creatures, it is.
And if you don't care about them anyway, then why should their objections even matter to you?
Been playing it for 2 hours
It would be better served in a real game engine, it 'feels' like a game maker kinda game, I've played possibly hundreds of them and it makes it feel kind of cheap
He could've redone the Ruins a bit, and removed any random battles until after Toriel leaves you for the first time and you could talk to the first frog, and added a run button. The graphics are also a bit inconsistent in quality, he shoudl've redone some of the older content a bit to make everything more the same.
The characters are very vivid, I can hear their voices in my head most of the time, especially the skeletons,
The battles are very well done, mixing turn based JRPG with all kinds of bullet dodging is great, and he finds new ways to make the battles a puzzle with different mechanics and making the player be attentive to the dialogue. It's a well done blending of theming and mechanics, more than any AAA dialogue wheel / chest high wall shooting bullshit, or generic indie platforming.
>>312478683
But they're alive in the context of the game.
Your inability to immerse yourself isn't the game's fault. Just play something your simple mind can understand like Call of Duty, plenty of mindless killing for you there.
>>312477835When monsters die, their bodies become dust, and the dust gets sprinkled on that monster's favorite thing. When Asriel died, his dust got sprinkled on a flower, and Alphys injected one of the flowers with Determination. This flower became Flowey. It retained Asriel's memories, but has none of his emotional capacity, so it's not really him. Basically, you never actually meet Asriel. You just kinda meet a zombie of him.Also Alphys mentions at one point that she got all her anime tapes from the castle. Which means they probably belonged to Asriel. That's probably why Asriel has all those anime-esque attack names; because he's essentially a child who's playing with Chara/Frisk.
>>312478438
>what the hell is wrong about the fantasy narrative acknowledging the fantasy violence?
I haven't played the genocide route.
And pardon me if this sounds like backpeddaling, but I'm playing the devil's advocate.
It SOUNDS like this anon is saying that the game is levying judgement against the player for fantasy violence.
Which is silly. Fantasy violence never hurt anyone, so, it doesn't make you a bad person to perform acts of fantasy violence. Does it make the character bad? In the context of the story of course it does. It's also compelling and interesting to see. Which is why it's there and it should be there.
>>312478748
Him destroying your mercy button wasn't a big enough clue? No choice but to fight.
>>312478670
>LE SINS
>still using old dead shit memes
>even ironically
Who's the cancer now?
>>312478704
>"undertale is actually a really interesting story that points out some of the inherent flaws in human nature" - every pretentious hipster undertale player
>>312478803
>To the digital creatures, it is.
It literally isn't because they aren't alive or sentient so it can't be anything to them because they literally aren't there.
They're simulacrums.
>>312478683
>It's not morally wrong to go on a killing spree killing digital creatures.
Correct.
>It's not morally wrong to go on a killing spree killing digital creatures, so the digital creatures shouldn't judge me for it.
??????
>>312478257
I don't get it.
In Mass Effect, none of the choices you make actually matter in the end, and /v/ hates the series for that exact reason.
In Undertale, ALL the choices you make are absolutely important, and /v/ calls it "pretentious."
What do you retards even want in an RPG?
>>312457545
Despite the fact that I actually like this unique game, you didn't even try to make an argument beyond a 4th grade level there, champ.
>>312478929
Who exactly
>>312478670
That was my favorite part
>>312457365
9012412 hours in paint
>>312471717
and what would be the reward for beating this "no fun allowed" mode?
>>312478872
and thats why I feel like frisk shouldnt have been a silent protag.
Make it where you the player are watching the MC become more and more monsterous as he kills would of been better. Like....Iji.
>>312478959
The digital creatures are incapable of judgement.
Any judgement they make is simply written in by the writers, and therefore, is expressed by the writer or creator, depending on how much they believe the sentiment or not.
They're incapable of thought.
So they're incapable of judgement.
So the judgement that is coming from the game is coming from its creators by proxy.
>>312479132
>So the judgement that is coming from the game is coming from its creators by proxy.
Nailed it.
>over a month later
>people still only able to dismiss the game using buzzwords and saying it's bad without actually making any real arguments
>>312479132
You're autistic, aren't you?
>>312478957
And they're *designed* to not like being killed.
You know, much like real life creatures.
Do you read a book and go
>Why are they even trying to escape from the island? It's not like they have real lives to live, they're just paper people.
>>312479123
>and thats why I feel like frisk shouldnt have been a silent protag.
Frisk and chara talk but it's invisible dialogue not seen or heard by the player.
>>312479132
>>312479194
So... if you are killed in the game, the creator is murdering you by proxy
>>312479132
Autism. Oh God, the autism.
>>312478839
Undertale Remastered for pc andWii Uwhen?
>>312479219
>they aren't real arguments because I say so
>>312479219
see
>>312479132
looks like a real argument
unlike this post
>>312479235
>>312479115
>chromatic aberration
>>312479252
What a pathetic analogy. Books are actual art. This game isn't.
>>312478957
You don't read much, huh?
>>312472731
How is it different in the genocide route?
>>312479132
>They're incapable of thought.
>So they're incapable of judgement.
Correct again!
>So the judgement that is coming from the game is coming from its creators
Wow, you legit sound like you have mental problems.
>>312479267
That would be true.
If dying in the game meant you died for real.
But that's not the case.
>>312479342
Says who?
>>312479342
>he think Twilight is art
lel
FICTION
ISN'T
REAL
- /v/, 2015
>>312479219
>over a month later
>undertale players still defending all criticism of their game by calling everything a "buzzword" or "meme"
>>312479407
I don't think you are judged "for real" neither or did the cops knot at your door the second you killed toriel
>>312478987
Most kids on /v/ only actually play AAA rehashed garbage while complaining that anything different is "pretentious/indie/meme/tumblr/reddit."
There's no taste anymore, or I should say those with the experience for good taste are far outweighed by chicken tendies tier palettes.
>>312478368
What, besides the ending of the genocide route, the player is never addressed directly. All the other characters are responding to Chara the entire route.
>>312479219
The main issue with the game is the fact that it doesn't do anything really excellent outside of the music. Everything else is solid, but largely forgettable.Muffet a cute, though.
>>312479475
I'm pretty sure a significant number people on /v/ are actually retarded
>>312478957
>They're simulacrums.
So are their judgements. You're angry that the game is judging you, but it's literally the fantasy characters who are fantasy judging you with their simulated opinions.
>the judgement that is coming from the game is coming from its creators by proxy
shit that happens in stories is not necessarily or even usually a depiction of the author's views. i highly doubt toby fox thinks you're a
"bad person" for defeating Sans, else he wouldn't have enabled you by creating the fucking thing. if he actually thought it was evil he'd be 1000x more guilty than any player
>>312475053
>Implying you didn't reset to try to get the legendary item
Kind of sad that they didn't include an extra bit about the game knowing you tried to cheat it with a reset.
>post Undertale art onTumblr
>get likes and reblogs
>check their blogs
>they all have Homestuck, Steven Universe and gender pronouns
Sausagega.
>>312479235
>>312479289
>XDDDD AUTISM
How about you actually refute his points?
>>312479753
Don't use emoticons, even ironically.
Why do all the monsters attack me? I feel like I'm being literally raped, and this ableist game is discriminating against people who lack hand-eye coordination skills. There should be a cinematic mode for normal people, because the fights are way too "gamer"-y
>>312479753
What points?
His "points" are literally
>fiction isn't real
NO SHIT, SHERLOCK
>>312459210
I think it was more about having 5-6 threads in the catalog at all times for the first week. I like the game but the shilling was just ridiculous.
>>312479252
I understand their intent.
If they object to being killed and hate the person killing them, then that's fine.
And if they get upset at frisk or chara or find them to be their version of hitler, that makes sense.
But casting stones at the player and not the player character seems like an odd choice. To me, anyway. If that's what's happening.
>>312479606
>What, besides the ending of the genocide route
Ok - I didn't play the genocide ending, how is the player addressed?
>>312479650
All fair. Except:
>You're angry that the game is judging you, but it's literally the fantasy characters who are fantasy judging you with their simulated opinions.
I know it sounds like backpeddaling but, I'm trying to be the bad guy and argue in favor of people being able to enjoy the game how they like and not be morally responsible for something they aren't.
>>312479751
You clearly just need to make a drawing of Sans saying how he doesn't want any niggers in his world, or something like that.
Or Sans raping Frisk, or something.
>>312460386
Insurgency
this 4
>>312479896
His point that tobyfox is being a pretentious fuck judging the player directly for playing his fucking videogame in a way that he allows instead of Frisk or whatever.
>>312479751
>they all have Homestuck, Steven Universe and gender pronouns
>do the same, but with monstergirls
I know the feel, anon.Except I like steven universe. I'm sorry. Kinda. Well not that sorry.
>>312479921
In this game, you the player ARE a character in the story. Just like in Drawn to Life, just as you are in second person stories, just as you are in any experience that addresses the audience.
>>312480038
SU is ok, I guess.
Fuck all of its proggressive-shit tumblr fans though, they're cancer.
>>312480018
Don't get carried away.
I wouldn't say pretentious.
I'm saying it's a criticism that I think is a little warranted.
>games have to have AAA graphics and music in order to be good
I wish we could skip a generation, just push all millenials into the meat grinders and feed them to the pigs
>>312480074
>you the player
No, it's Frisk. Frisk, the player character. Until all of a sudden he starts breaking the 4th wall on what a horrible person YOU the PLAYER are for wanting to explore all the paths in the fucking videogame.
>>312480156
The music in this game is better than most AAA games.
>>312480074
>In this game, you the player ARE a character in the story.
Who is the player character, so to speak then?
What is their role, etc? How and when are they revealed?
I didn't play the genocide run.
I'm more than a little curious anon. Fill me in.
>>312480038
>Except I like steven universe. I'm sorry. Kinda. Well not that sorry.
neo-/v/, everyone
It's becoming more and more obvious why undertale was so well received on /v/
That's it. I'm out of here. I'm not going to pretend /v/ isn't a shitty fragment of what it once was.
>>312480236
see you tomorrow James
>>312480195
>Implying he's talking about frisk
He's talking about Asriel's human friend, you schmuck.
>>312480128
>Fuck all of its proggressive-shit tumblr fans though, they're cancer.
They're the real monsters.
Haha! Funny joke!Not really a joke.
>>312457365
pc has always had better hardware, but consoles have always had better games. it is a sad but true fact o this world. i own both because i appreciate the aspects of both and i can afford to.
>>312480271
>Asriel's human friend
Wasn't that Chara?
Didn't Chara die?
>>312480198
You have a great taste anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OqigCz2S1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ypvg1WC-m-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcamjcoRmrQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijrzwMLd218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEWOTdVnnZ8
>>312477590
No not Temmie, Temmie was cute. I meant the fat retard dragon in the fedora.
>>312480221
not that anon, but in a true pacifist run it seems like flowey at the very end is talking to the player when asking you to let them be.
>>312480638
It's really hard to say, and, I found that how meta the game got a little off putting.
>>312480769
to each their own, I really like when games slap you with some meta along the way and especially at the end. It doesn't seem like it could be chara though, in true pacifist you don't see any trace of chara
>>312480439
well yeah, but canonically, it's you.
