Shut the fuck up and read my post.
I joined the modding communities of quake, hl1, and hl2 on day-fucking-one. I was a kiddo when I started, so I grew up modding. I have over 10 years of modding under my belt. I turned a hobby into a profession and now I work in the industry because of my work with mods.
If you don't think modders getting paid for their work isn't the hottest fucking shit to hit the industry in years, then you are a fucking retard. Plain and simple.
We'll never get a second golden age of modding. Its simply too much work these days to make good mods. But paid mods? Paid mods are going to be the closest thing we'll ever get to a second golden age.
>mfw Valve managed to take the stagnant and cancerous modding scene and turned it on its head in one day, making it the talk of the town
>mfw Valve left it up to the publishers what percentage to deal out
>mfw Valve still handles all the infrastructure for free mods
>mfw Valve is single handily convincing major studious to support mods
And /v/ complains about it, fucking lol. Like how fucking out of touch with this hobby do you have to be to not see how this is good news for all of us?
>>292107135
Entitled kiddies are used to getting shit for free, so they throw a tantrum. Nothing to see here.
Dwarf Fortress modder here. We won't charge money anytime soon because the base game is free. If Toady ever changes that we'll probably do the same.
>how this is good news for all of us
Reading your post there is no argument on why this is good. You stated no reasons whatsoever. Congrats
>>292107135
Let's have a Karl Stefanovic thread, this man is a fucking god.
>>292107572
That's because this is a bait thread.
>>292107648
>>292107572
He's getting paid, I suppose that's a great deal for him
You forgot so much implications on purpose (like, 75 % of the money is going to Valve / Bethesda hands instead of the modder) that it's obvious that your shitty post is bait.
Therefore check my 5.
I'm curious isn't the any copyright issue with selling mods?
>>292107857
Not if the publisher is getting paid for it
>valve gets 75% of profits
>if you don't hit at least $400 worth of sales, they get 100% instead
If you don't think this system is inherently broken and a sign of Valve's fall from grace, then you are a fucking retard. Plain and simple.
>>292107135
Tonight on /v/ : BLOG POSTS READ MY STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT WAAAAH I ADDED SOMETHING TO A GAME I NEVER DEVELOPED AND NOW I WANT MONEY FOR A GAME I HAD NO REAL PART OF PLEASE UNDERSTAND
>b-but consoles
>>292107572
The reasons are obvious, you are just choosing to ignore them. (I hope, honestly.)
>>292107682
epic
>>292107826
>>292107857
>didnt even read the fine print on how things work
Please, go read how it works. It is perfectly reasonable.
>>292107572
Vidya devs get the incentive to produce modding tools.
Players who can code or make assets get the incentive to get into modding.
Players who can't get more content.
Poorfags will continue pirating as they always did (and get more content than ever before).
Win-win for everybody.
So how much are they paying your firm to do damage control?
>>292108009
Valve doesn't even pay for ads.
>>292108076
So what does their marketting division get paid for?
>>292107135
>people selling other people's mods
>horsevaginas
>mod teams breaking up over copying each other's shit and the allocation of profits
>modders have no obligation to update their mods to be compatible with the game or other mods that you've paid for
The golden age is truly upon us, thank you for enlightening us Schlomo
>>292107969
>valve gets 75% of profits
Wrong. That percentage is split between Valve and the publisher/developer. The publisher also sets the %, so it could have been 99% to the modder if the publisher and chosen.
>>if you don't hit at least $400 worth of sales, they get 100% instead
Valve runs the infrastructure for hosting your mod, distributing it, selling it, paying you, and advertising your work in their own platform. $399 isn't too much to pay, considering you'd never have a dime of that to begin with if Valve didn't offer to sell your work.
You are fucking retarded. At least READ how it works before bitching on /v/.
>>292107135
This is pretty good OP. Maybe add a bit more fluff and believable faux-stupidity and we might end up with some quality copypasta for this whole mess. Remember, you're not trying to just bait people you want us to actually believe this is true.
>the entire world now can see Valve for what they truly are
This is a good thing. Pick a side bros. Choose carefully.
>>292107135
you're retarded if you think the way valve implemented it is good
there's no consumer protection and even less protection for modders. People have already been getting their mods stolen and put up for sale by third parties. Mods that rely on other mods that end up going behind the paywall have to shut down. Valve claims 75% of the profit for every sale. It's an absolute clusterfuck and there's no reason to think it's going to get any better because there's every indication this was done just to grub as much money as possible as quickly as possible. Why would you defend such a predatory practice that screws the community over so hard?
>>292108127
>Valve has a marketing division
Not with 25%
>>292108231
I don't want to pick a side, I just want this hobby and industry to die.
>>292108194
>Publisher sets the %
Source faggot
>Valve runs the infrastructure for hosting your mod, distributing it, selling it, paying you, and advertising your work in their own platform. $399 isn't too much to pay, considering you'd never have a dime of that to begin with if Valve didn't offer to sell your work.
Nexus has done this for how many years for free? Now fuck off.
Also Valve is encouraging stealing of IP because they want to make money. Try defending that.
>>292107785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbsssKRIcI
>>292108247
>Doug Lombardi
>Valve’s Vice President of Marketing
>>292108283
Side with /v/ then.
Honestly, I don't have a problem with for-pay mods as an idea, but if you think this implementation is good I have to assume that you are legally mentally handicapped.
>>292107135
>"I did a ton of work for free as a kid because I was gullible and stupid as kids tend to be, but now as an adult I want my money for all my wasted time."
No thanks. :^)
>>292107135
Nice bait OP
>>292108194
>implying it matters who gets the profits when the modder gets next to nothing
>implying valve has any overhead cost at all when sites have been hosting mods for free for years
>implying valve is doing JACK SHIT other than serving as the middle-man and collecting a fee for something as basic as content hosting
>>292108283
>>292108340
CRYIIIINNG INNNNNN MYYYYY SKIIIIINNNNNNNNNNN
Do modders get their cut on their bank accounts or as steam wallet?
>>292107135
people think mod developers are worthless and would rather have shitty free mods I guess
>>292107135
Good goy, you've earned the privilege of purchasing my pizza mod!
As much as i eished that op, 25% and modders not being able to use multiple mods due to all wanting pay is actually a problem, even if your little fantasy dreamland dont have it
>>292108454
Bank account after they've made $400, then they get $100 of that before tax. Truly Valve has saved the modding scene
>>292107135
You're implying that lazy, worthless modders won't just milk this and set an example on how shit can turn a quick buck. I've been part of the modding community too, and shit like Todangst, They Hunger, and Afraid Of Monsters were beautiful creations made not because the devs expected thanks, but because they wanted their own name out there and wanted to give back to the community. Now we have horse prolapse mods in Skyrim for 5 dollarydoos instead of cool shit like Falskarr.
It sets a trend for worthless mods and devs who want to make it a business rather than a passion and you KNOW it.
>>292107135
>devs cut out features of a game, and then mod it themselves for money later
>1000's of shit mods for a game, that are all the same, no way to test them.
>people stealing each other mods, and repackaging them as thier own for profit.
>devs decide that instead of patching a games bug for free, they will mod if for profit.
>>292108169
>implying paid mods introduced any of that shit to the already shitty modding community
>>292108219
>>292108231
good memes bros keep it up quality /v/ content here i like it
>>292108240
Valve is to blame for others stealing mods?
>Valve claims 75% of the profit
oh nevermind another fucking retard that didnt even read how the deal works
>>292108396
Modders always got nothing. Now they get next to nothing. That's more. 25% is still 25% more than nothing.
Yea, modders really getting fucked here and not the poorfags on /v/ lol
>>292108454
Bank.
>>292108454
It doesn't matter since nobody but the absolute most successful ones will ever see a dime.
You have to make $400 before you get anything out of valve, and most mods will probably be a dollar or less. Over 400 sales, which is really hard to accomplish when A) it's just a mod and not actual DLC, and B) 99% of people are vehemently opposed to this entire system to begin with.
>>292107135
So you like getting paid with steambucks? your only able to buy more games. Enjoy "paying" for what ever bills you have
>>292107559
>The #YOLO generation
>>292108619
>i dont understand anything but i will shit post anyway hehehe
>yfw Steam didn't make the whole thing donation-based while still taking a cut
Going half-jew would have prevented so much butthurt. They might even have ended up looking good.
Modders being able to to get money is good, but it's ridiculous if you think Skyrim model is fine. Bethesda is getting 50% cut for absolutely no reason.
Good idea: A donation box through steam (which admittedly would probably only give the mod creator steam wallet funbucks) where at least 50% if not 75% to 100% of the donation goes straight to the mod creator
Good idea: a pay what you want system (minimum $0 of course) where you can support a modder by choosing to pay
Bad idea: forced paywalls where valve gets the supermajority of the money made, and the mod creator may never get paid at all.
We'll never get a second golden age of gaming. Its simply too much work these days to make good games. But Greenlight? Greenlight going to be the closest thing we'll ever get to a second golden age.
>>292108589
Not to mention how fucking easy it is to just pirate their shit.
I too, have done some modding in the past.
You know how I learned? By taking apart other people's mods and retooling them. Eventually I became capable of creating my own work from scratch, because I was passionate about it.
Would that shit even be possible if all mods became paid?
>>292107135
>baiting this fucking hard
>wanting retards to actually use this as argument
>>292108764
>Horse armour DLC
>Unfinished shit for full price
>Now this
It's always fucking Bethesda
![1429965910319[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FDYgNZR.jpg "1429965910319[1].jpg")
>>292107135
Modding is a hobby. The moment you apply monetary value to it, it becomes a job.
If you want a job making content for games, you become a game developer, you do not get to keep your title of 'modder'. And with it becoming a job, you're now open to the same scrutiny that other game developers are.
Quality. Bugs. Price.
People who pay to use your mod are no longer modding enthusiasts, they are consumers and consumers have every right to tear your shitty mod to shreds for being a buggy overpriced pile for crap.
Teenagers do not get paid to play football/soccer unless they become professionals.
Most gamers do not get paid to play game unless they become professionals.
Why should Modders be paid to mod unless they become professionals?
>>292108801
imagine drm for mods
>>292107559
>Paying money for dwarf fortress
The game doesn't even have graphics
>>292108801
>learning in weird way
no, this is AMERICA
you learn like everyone else
>>292108520
>oven ready
Lil
>>292108008
Haha, no. Here's what will actually happen:
>third-party modding sites dead in a year because gotta get them steambux
>complex total conversion-style mods replaced by horse armor and edgy katanas due to much higher profit/work ratio
>any semblance of quality control goes out the window, because getting to market first means higher profits and (surprise) mods are not guaranteed to actually work even when sold
>endless shitfests between modders begin due to people rampantly using each others code and assets (and everybody wanting a cut of the money pie, of course)
>Steam support goes offline due to being flooded by "muh mod not working" tickets
>Gaben gorges on all dat cheddar and reaches the size of a small asteroid
TLDR:
If everything went along your optimistic scenario, paid mods might even be a good thing, but there's a reason why it's called "optimistic"
>>292107135
>>292108950
it can with mods
>>292108792
the amount of garbage that greenlight allows is retarded. Any dev with a fanbase can make a game now regardless of how shit it is.
Also if anything the amount of work required is nowhere neer what it used to take, people just got lazy
>>292108547
Do you really not think the introduction of money isn't going to make mod team drama worse?
Lel, you can already see some people going "yeah it's bad but". How does Gaben get away with this shit?
>>292108895
>mfw OP just got rekt
>>292109091
Because they are huge cucks
>>292108194
>Working for hundreds of hours on a mod
>only get 25% margin
>It can't even be spent outside of Steam
>Not allowed a donation button
>Obliged to continue providing support for the mod even though you would be making pennies.
>If you don't monetize or use steam someone else will just steal your content and monetize it.
Yeah, this is really great. A huge help to the modding scene, fantastic.
>>292108764
No one said the model was perfect. Of course there will be a lot of growing pains. Its day two you jack asses. Give it some fucking time.
>>292108801
Sure. You'd buy the mods you'd want to learn from, just like you bought the game you wanted to mod. Or the books you wanted to learn from.
>>292108805
nice nice keep typing bait on /v/ its getting funnier
>>292108895
I consider you a fucking retard. Yes, people get paid to create things.
>>292109013
haha good image guy
>>292109074
Sure it will. I expect this will change the modding community a lot, and I look forward to it. It has been shit for a long, long time.
>>292109001
You're still too optimistic, anon.
Here's what will happen:
>publishers start DMCAing any and all mods that aren't hosted on the Steam workshop
>Valve removes free feature, all mods must have a minimum price
>>292109001
>steambux
Oh, another misinformed dumbass. No point in reading the rest of you reply.
>>292107135
> paid mods will be higher quality
>>292108314
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HieNrQDOJrk&feature=youtu.be
>>292109235
I mean it as in "money coming from Steam", but feel free to use your own interpretation
>>292107135
>mfw Valve managed to take the stagnant and cancerous modding scene and turned it on its head in one day, making it the talk of the town
You might want to change your vernacular depending on what it is you are shilling.
>>292107135
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>getting only 25% cut
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>>292108950
Dwarf Fortress is the only game currently in development worth giving money to. That nigga Toady gets enough money from donations to live.
>>292108984
>learn like everyone else
Oh... you mean I have to pay for an education? Preferably accrue tons of debt? I apologize for stealing knowledge.
>>292109226
>Yes, people get paid to create things.
I don't think the guy down the street who works on his car and replaces the air filters and shit is getting paid by anyone
How does it feel to be a worthless faggot, OP?
>>292108950
So you're telling me I'll have to pay extra to get graphics?
>>292109226
>I consider you a fucking retard. Yes, people get paid to create things.
Well fucking done. That's exactly what I said. Now if you read the rest of my post you'd realise I also said you now have to be held up to the exact same standards as every other developer because now you're a DEVELOPER not a MODDER.
Money changes the rules. You can't just slap-dash shit together now and call it a mod.
Everything shouldnt be about money.
I want modders to be people that love the game and want to improve it.
Now modders are devs and will just jew you as much as they can for some shekels.
>>292109213
Give it a few months. Modders will eventually figure out that Steam can't regulate the content in the actual mods themselves, so people will be putting in donation options in their actual mods.
>>292109226
>Its day two you jack asses. Give it some fucking time.
I'm just amazed that Valve and Bethesda looked at these numbers and went "Yep, this is alright. People will be fine with this."
They could have handled this so much better.
>>292109226
>Yes, people get paid to create things
That would be the definition of a professional. Did you even read the post?
Now that you can charge for mods, there is no reason to not be in the industry.
Little kids will be making money off of this.
>>292109213
>Working for hundreds of hours on a mod
Their choice.
>only get 25% margin
Only limited to the Skyrim deal at the moment. Still 25% more than nothing.
>It can't even be spent outside of Steam
A complete fabrication. Two minutes reading the license agreement would make that clear.
>Not allowed a donation button
Because that would defeat the whole incentive for Valve.
>Obliged to continue providing support for the mod even though you would be making pennies.
Another lie you've either made up or believed because you are too fucking retarded to read how the deal actually works.
>If you don't monetize or use steam someone else will just steal your content and monetize it.
lol? There is always a chance of someone stealing your work and selling it. At least now there is a fucking platform for selling it.
>>292109234
>publishers start DMCAing any and all mods that aren't hosted on the Steam workshop
They won't need to. Money is a much better incentive than lawsuits.
https://archive.is/66fit#selection-661.75-661.354
It's fucking over guys
>>292109462
Nah, little kids will continue to trade/bet/scam cosmetic items instead.
That's fucking bullshit, mods always were free, rite guise? Oh wait
>>292109417
People already are putting links in their mods, Valve are removing them.
Stop defending a company hellbent on money, you don't get anything from it.
>>292108895
>Modding is a hobby. The moment you apply monetary value to it, it becomes a job.
Wrong.
>If you want a job making content for games, you become a game developer, you do not get to keep your title of 'modder'.
Wrong.
>
People who pay to use your mod are no longer modding enthusiasts, they are consumers and consumers have every right to tear your shitty mod to shreds for being a buggy overpriced pile for crap.
Good?
>Teenagers do not get paid to play football/soccer unless they become professionals
Wrong.
>Most gamers do not get paid to play game unless they become professionals.
Bad analogy.
>Why should Modders be paid to mod unless they become professionals?
Because provide goods or services that they have a right to charge for.
>>292109541
>Money is a much better incentive than lawsuits.
Money = lawsuits.
>>292109338
In that case I'd like to apologize. Too many other people have been trying to spread the rumor that modders won't get real moneys.
>>292109226
>Sure. You'd buy the mods you'd want to learn from, just like you bought the game you wanted to mod. Or the books you wanted to learn from.
But how would I know I want to learn from a mod before even buying it? How are the paid mods even packaged?
I don't know bro. This whole things rubs me the wrong way. I'd be more angry if I gave a shit about recent games.
>>292109582
Mod =/= 3rd Party Expansion Packs
>>292108895
You know charging money is completely optional right?
What is your point in this post anyway? That mods now have to be held to a higher standard? Oh no now I'll have to play better quality mods, fucking Valve, mods have been ruined for all.
>>292109634
Nice argument bro. Sure told me.
>>292109634
>Teenagers do not get paid to play football/soccer unless they become professionals
>Wrong.
No it's not
SkyUI now costs money
Bethesda is literally earning money because they mad a terrible UI
Devs can now earn money for terrible game elements that get fixed by mods
Patches are now DLC
>>292109226
You're a dumb fuck that I hope dies in a house fire for ignoring every valid complaint and worry in the thread and instead replying only to low hanging fruit.
Dick gobbling kike.
>wanting to get paid to sit around in your mums flat making some shitty my little pony mod for skyrim
No way. Mods should be free, this outsourced DLC shit that's coming is not modding.
>>292107135
kill yourself
>>292109628
>implying i'm defending it
Personally, I don't use mods, and I haven't used mods since Half-Life 1 was a thing. So, no, I'm not defending shit. I could honestly give a fuck. This is the equivalent of a cafeteria food fight to me, and I've been watching and shaking my head at you retards.
Enjoy cleaning up your mess.
>>292109406
Modders have zero standards. Very few mods actualy go through a proper beta stage but you expect that with something you get for free but if your paying $10 for a mod then you should expect months of bug testing
>>292107135
No, you shut up and listen. Mods are a hobby, if you mod for money or don't have time for modding you shouldn't be modding. Mods are all about fun and it should be enough for you. Its not like you can't turn the hobby into a profession by joining the industry and you can always ask for donations if you really do it for those extra $60 to buy dildos. Selling mods turns the hobby into another industry, giving birth to the third party DLC.
I want you to think about this sentence: "I pirated a mod for a video game". If you fail to see anything wrong with it quit gaming, leave my hobby alone.
They always say that "consoles" hold video games back, but if your idea of pushing the industry forward is Free 2 Play shit, caring more about resolution and framerate than gameplay, twitch attention whores and now terrible third party DLCs, then I think its a good thing consoles hold us back in the past. Also gotta love that 95% of worthplaying PC games are console ports. Master race my ass, PC gaming is pathetic and the current happening is the final nail in the coffin.
>>292109713
>2+2 = 5
>that's wrong
>nn-n-nn-n-n-n-n-nn-n-n-n-nn nice argument b-b-bbbro!!!!!
>>292109683
The fact the Modders are now held accountable for their content the same way other developers are.
Copyright. Plagiarism. Buggy content that doesn't work. QA. All of these things must now be applied to mods if they are to ask for money.
The same way professional developers have to deal with it.
>>292107559
>Entitled
i fucking love this meme
>FUCK YOU LOSERS, NOW I GET PAID
>a-after my masters take their lion share cut
>>292108008
>efficiency and market tendencies are now heavily taken into consideration
>the community that build itself on sharing content now retain their own assets because there's now money to be made from them
>lack of any legal constrains modders can just developing or updating the project and nothing you can do about it
>pricing bloat for the mods and consequentially the end product
>bethesda and valve continues to bath in the money for things they don't even support anymore
>win-win guys
>>292107135
>He works for 1/4
>25%
>>292107135
enjoy your 25% goyim.
>buying games
>buying mods
THANKS FOR FUNDING "HIGH QUALITY" MODS THAT PEOPLE WON'T DISCONTINUE, MY PAYING STEAM FRIENDS!
>>292109745
i dont see skyui on there anywhere?
>>292109806
>ive never made a mod in my life but im fit to judge every modder and the entire scene
lmfao
>>292107559
>charging for texture pacts
You disgust me and I play Dwarf fortress, hell I even do a tiny bit of modding.
9/10 bait, perfectly executed except for the "Stagnant and cancerous modding scene", needed to be more subtle in that aspect but overall perfect length, subject matter and take.
>mfw I pay for the game and then give money to the developer and steam for the priviledge to mod it
Thank you sweet masters.
The modding community started creating mods to add more content to games with no intention of ever being paid for such a thing. They are not suddenly entitled to be paid for such work. If they want to be paid for their work, actually get in the industry, create a full game. The backlash is justified because the entitlement of the modders is suddenly on display
>>292109974
*packs
>>292109683
>That mods now have to be held to a higher standard? Oh no now I'll have to play better quality mods, fucking Valve, mods have been ruined for all.
But that's the fucking problem here
Valve has introduced a platform where you can sell mods, but it has not introduced any system whatsoever that is going to force the content creators to actually produce content that is up to the quality standards of sold goods
It's a magical proclamation of "okay, mods are now worth of being sold" and hoping the market reacts to them like that. There's no vetting process, no way of ensuring the mods you pay for stay up to date and don't break games, and you don't find these things out UNTIL someone pays money for them and can only get a refund in steam fucking bux.
>>292109842
Which is basically how all work interactions play out.
Welcome to capitalism buddy; worker gets fucked, owner gets rich off the workers productivity.
>>292109413
Most of the mods for sale aren't even posted the original authors. Valve didn't do a single thing to ensure the real creators are the ones "profiting". It's not so much that the mods are for sale it's that the system is so fucked up that you're not actually doing anything for the creators, assuming they're even the one who uploaded it. It's pretty much just Valve making money off of content created by other people. They just don't give a shit about the modders or the community so long as they get their $0.99.
I'm not upset that modders want to earn some extra funbucks towards a new game. There's plenty of mods I would pay a buck or two for honestly. It's the fact that that buck or two doesn't even go to the modder, it goes to some faggot who downloaded the mod for free and uploaded it with a price tag.
>>292109962
>>292108895
This right here is the best responce to this nonsense I've seen.
Nice post anon.
>>292110074
OH COMRADES COME RALLY
MODDING = PLAYING VIDEO GAMES ON STREAMS
WE PROFESSIONALS NOW
>>292109962
It takes 7 days between putting to sell and it becoming available. SkyUI dev already said he's doing it.
>>292107135
I don't even know if you're baiting at this point, I just hope you are.
>>292110089
>*RUNS*
BACK THE FUCK OFF?!
The hobby is finally dead, Embrace it and perhaps find something actually fulfilling
I've been modding since 1999, but quit around 2009 when games stopped coming with tools, i've been waiting 6 years for confirmation that the dream is finally over
>>292107135
>But paid mods? Paid mods are going to be the closest thing we'll ever get to a second golden age.
If you honestly believe this, I doubt you ever worked on any mod in your life as you clearly don't know a thing about the mod community and the people that have come through it.
>>292109791
>Give it a few months. Modders will eventually figure out that Steam can't regulate the content in the actual mods themselves
>Coming up with excuses to make it seem not as bad
>Not defending it
> I could honestly give a fuck
>Sitting in threads replying to people is not giving a fuck
>>292109748
I agree with this
You will crash and burn. In the off chance that you shitty work is worthwhile, piratebros are going to spread it around and your tears will be delicious. Enjoy thinking that this is the get-rich-quick scheme you've been waiting for.
>>292110115
Communism is worse, but implying that this pay percentage is drastically worse then the ratio of what your productivity is worth to a company you work for versus how much they actually pay you is a fallacy.
Bosses and owners get a big cut just for setting up the place you work. It's built into all of capitalism.
>>292110234
I never understood why they stopped releasing tools. Alot of the time they just released whatever tool they used to create the maps with a few tweaks
>>292109851
>the community that build itself on sharing content now retain their own assets because there's now money to be made from them
This is the number one issue with all of this shit. Modders will simply not bother to share (or contribute small additions to a larger project) anything at all because it would allow others to profit off their work - or result in week-long payment drama. I GUARANTEE IT.
How anyone believes this to end up being a good thing for the mod scene OR the players, I don't know.
>golden age of modding
MORE LIKE GOLDEN AGE OF JEWING
FUCK YOU
Counter Strike would have died sooner if people were forced to pay for mods and user maps.
>>292108169
>modders have no obligation to update their mods to be compatible with the game or other mods that you've paid for
>>292110274
>Sitting in threads replying to people is not giving a fuck
Damn right, faggot. It's my way of keeping the food fight going. I want to see you all burn for fighting over silly shit.
>>292110348
The even more funnier part is thatthey don't even get paid with real money
>total conversions are 39.99$
>requires base game 19.99$-39.99$
>lots of little mods for 1.99$ each
>skyrim is now a 300+$ investment for pcgamers
>it's an xbox360 port
>buy our new game for only 49.99 on Steam!
>purchase the Oculus Rift add-on mod for only an additional 14.99!
>make sure to grab new maps and characters at 3.99 a piece!
>our UI is utter shit, so we recommend buying customUI for only 9.99!
>oh the new characters and customUI don't work together? respectfully reach out to the modders!
>that feel when your friends are actually buying the bundle
>paying for dark souls model rips
>>292107135
He does it for 25%
>tower defense maps cost 10 dollars
>footmen frenzy costs 20 dollars
>omniknight party costs 15 dollars
>it's going to become fucking reality, because Valve wants to monetize custom maps
arigato, valve
>>292110520
>game gets negative reviews and no one buys it
>publisher rethinks his attitude
Yup
>>292110368
Probably because of the nickel & dime dlc mentality. They don't want user created content to devalue their own official content. When you see John Doe there can create an amazing weapon collection for free suddenly your weapon pack becomes less appealing.
>>292109226
Defense force in full swing
>>292109968
>dat ad hominem
Typical
>>292107135
Let's just say you are actually a modder and not some retard that just pretends to be.
>second age of modding
Mods are popular because they are free. Popular mods are popular because they are free and good. A mod won't become popular if everyone has to buy it before they can check it out. 24h is not enough to check out a mod that might cost $5 like let's say XCOM: The Long War.
You basically already lost people that might be interested in mods, but will never check it out because they are behind a paywall now.
>mfw Valve managed to take the stagnant and cancerous modding scene and turned it on its head in one day, making it the talk of the town
Because its not a good thing but rather because its a controversial thing.
>cancerous
Yeah, I sure like those shitty skins or apple or basic npc mods that will flood the Skyrim workshop from now on for $1 a piece and don't add anything to the game just for a quick cash in. As some modders already mentioned. This encourages people to create shitty small mods like skins or really basic shit and sell those for $.50 rather than actually putting in work and create something really big that actually takes months of work and sell it for $5. This changed basically encouraged the cancer to grow.
>Valve left it up to the publishers what percentage to deal out
Which is already flawed. Modders are often fixing and expanding on shit that the developers should have done. This encourages devs to just keep flawed mechanics and systems in the game for modders to fix it and then they'll get an extra cut from it. How is that a positive thing?
>Valve is single handily convincing major studious to support mods
They already had enough encouragement. Mods improve your game and expand on its life cycle. The games that are heavily moddable are still played 5+ years after their release due to mods. They are still sold in a good amount due to mods. There was already enough incentive to allow modding.
TL;DR
You are full of shit.
>>292110613
>publisher rethinks his attitude
Oh ho ho. That'll be the day. Maybe I'm simply too cynical for this shit, or maybe it all follows a pattern. Who knows? I hope I'm wrong.
>>292110234
Speak for yourself, PC gaming has been shit since steam basically became PC gaming. ASSFAGOTS, F2P shit, early access, meme games, gaming themed facebook, people buying games and never playing them, PC gaming access to normalfags and attention whores, master race meme, eceleb drama, episodic shit, now paid mods...
Meanwhile consoles focus on providing a wide variety of good games.
>>292110613
>and no one buys it
Wish I still had that screenshot of all those people who were supposedly boycotting Modern Warfare 2 showing them playing Modern Warfare 2.
Gamers have no self control, they just whinge like babies.
>>292107135
If you want to get paid, go make your own game you fucking faggot.
I guess I could maybe MAYBE be behind paid mods, but people are already stealing other mods and selling them. It's gotten to the point where something like over 300 mods have been taken off of the nexus to prevent stealing. All this does is flood the market with shitty mods that are exactly the same. Just like with greenlight, this has absolutely no quality control.
Dear diary,
today I realized that modders are retardeds.
the end
>>292107135
you have autism
i'm sorry
>>292110823
Oh shit, son. An MSPAINT comic.
>>292107135
>Listen dip shit, I'm way cool and I'm a fucking modder since I was sucking tits
>SO WHAT if I'm willing to work for one quarter of every dollar on the hard work and dedication I put in
>I'm def. NOT Gabe Newell or some other asshole false flagging on behalf of Valve Corporation
I can already see some Russian trying to take advantage of this situation like how they took advantage of the Steam Market Place.
>>292110823
Console is a platform like anything else you drooling fucktard, it doesn't "focus" on anything. The PS4 has a fucking share button for fucks sake, don't pretend that stupid garbage isn't on the development plate for every major console manufacturer.
>>292111072
Watchu gonna do about it nigguh
It's satire or something.
>>292110823
>Meanwhile consoles focus on providing a wide variety of good games.
yeah right, thats why everything on consoles these days is either a tps,fps, driving game or an rpg
Also
>So fucking what if I grew crops in this land for the entire season
>Yeah I watered the plants and tilled the soil and sowed the seeds
>FUCK YEAH Valve DOES deserve 75% of ALL my crops
>>292111139
>boo hoo I am entitled to 100% of mod profits
>even though I haven't paid any license fees or participated in development of original game in any way
Yeah, nah, if you want better cut, go make your own game and distribute it with your own service.
>>292107135
>I like working for free still!
Have fun getting that first 400 dollaroonies before getting .25 percent afterwards
>>292111321
Sure thing, Doug Lombardi. Why don't you get a real job?
www.valvesoftware.com/company/people.html
>Doug Lombardi. After years in the music industry, Doug decided to get a real job. Then he came to his senses and got into the gaming industry instead.
The overjustification effect is a noted psychological phenomenon where the introduction of external motivation (such as money) diminishes internal motivations (such as positive feelings), sometimes resulting in less overall motivation to perform a task.
For example, imagine you have a group of people cleaning the streets for charity. They are willing to spend their time cleaning the streets because it gives them a positive sense that they are contributing to their community and making it a better place to live.
Now let's say you offer those people $5 a day for their work. This changes the dynamic in their minds. Now they only see cleaning the streets as a job - and a lousy, poorly paid job at that. As a result, they no longer get as much satisfaction from their work, their former motivation is diminished and they see their work only in terms of the money they are receiving - which is not enough to justify their time and effort. In future, the only people willing to clean the streets are the people desperate enough for that meagre $5 a day, not the people who want to contribute to their community.
>>292107135
babbys 1st twoll thread
good job kiddo!
>>292107135
Wasting 10 years of your life working on other people's games instead of your own. What a waste of life try building a game from scratch you talentless fuck
>>292107135
The past few days have already proven how terrible a paid mod system can become. It will never become anywhere to close to a golden age of anything just like how DLC have gotten worse and worse.
Valve got DOTA2 and TF2 workshop authors who only make skins for games to make paid armor and weapons in Skyrim so you should know what their vision of a paid modding future is.
>>292108194
Fuck. You.
>>292110613
>the system failproof is someone or a corporation caring
Oh boy.
>>292111548
This.
If they had any real talent they would be in the business. These are just the hacks that suddenly feel entitled to payment for their garbage.
>>292112019
>not wanting quality content sold at a price point higher than that of DLC
It's almost like you don't want to pay more for shit add-n content than we already do, you gosh darn idjit.
>>292109974
Who said anything about texture packs?
>>292110449
That's sad as fuck.
Have fun with your 25% faggot.
>>292111443
Makes sense you know.
>>292110613
>publisher rethinking anything
>>292112280
This type of shit is the death of gaming.
>>292112372
>>292112165
>publisher refuses to rething anything and goes tits up as result
It's even greater
>>292107135
>someone who know what the mod community is actually like
Everyone seems to think mod authors are cool with other mod authors using their work to expand their own mods. Most are not, never have been, and never will be unless they make a shit model/texture that they put no work into. They just can't stop they so they begrudgingly accept it.
Everyone in this thread also likes pretend they donated to mod makers, when in reality no one did. Even the creators of the largest mods would only see 100$ a year in donations, if that.
More power to ya man, and fuck the entitled little hatters who know nothing about the mod scene.
>>292112538
Yeah, look at how EAs company practices have totally ruined them
Hate DLC but at least I know if I bought them it will work and there was a team of professional people hired to make sure it looked and run perfectly, Now I have to deal with Unofficial DLC with no quality assurance.
I should be getting paid for beta testing these mods.
>>292107135
No, fuck you, nigger. You're not the boss of me.
>>292107135
Modder here!
You are super right man!
Guys dont forget to support the modding community by buying my sword mod retexture.
Its super hd and detailed for only 5$. I worked hard on it
>>292112798
Holy shit that man, is that sun mod included?
>>292112523
You mean the death of DLC
why would a publisher make any content, when basementbilly will do it for pennies of monopoly money
>25%
ONE
FUCKING
QUARTER
>>292112553
I'm so glad people like yourself staunchly defend quality mods!
Modder here.
Suck my dick. Choke on it.
valve is greedy
>>292113058
>0.23 euros for literally nothing
That seems a little underpriced to me
>>292112553
>implying
four other of my favorite mods got donations, and i plan on donating to some of the other big ones I have as the week goes on.
>>292112945
>monopoly money
Not this shit again. Modders are getting real money on their bank accounts for their mods, not the Steam wallet money. That's why there is a minimal $100 payout limit - because banks take transaction fees, so it's not viable to pay out less.
>>292112939
It's a requirement, you can buy it >here
for only $4.99! What a steal!
>>292109634
Get out jewstein
>>292113247
wow they're making whole real pennies
>>292113325
I feel like a theif paying that little!
>>292113369
>moving goalposts
>>292113369
And they are willing to destroy their community for it.
>>292107135
>mfw modders use cracked/non-commercial licenses for modding software
>mfw their friends report them to BSA
>mfw modders get fined $15,000 minimum for using pirated software in commerce
>mfw whistleblower gets up to $5000 as a reward
Modders are NEETs who can't handle business and the regulations that it brings with it
>>292113458
Oh don't worry. The sun mod requires an apple enhancement mod that is $9.99It's out of date though, so if you put it on your current instal it'll break when you enter a specific dwarven dungeon
>>292113518
best video on the entire subject
>>292107135
Fuck you and fuck your b8 thread.
Check my 9.
>>292108895
>modding is a hobby
Says who?
>>292113508
That's the 4chan way of winning arguments.
>>292113508
wow mr modder i hope you make whole dollars for your hard work adding dicks to skyrim
>>292108008
>Win-win for everybody.
How does everybody have two wins, you fucking imbecile? Do you even know what the expression "win-win" means?
>>292113652
says the entire fucking community that was fine with modding as a hobby, for over twenty fucking years mind you, on Monday.
>>292113601
Only $9.99? Might as well be pirating with prices this low
>>292113652
the people who have hitherto been making mods for free
>>292107559
>Entitled.
Fuck right off.
>>292113652
entitled millenials
>>292113773
I win by getting money and feel good
>Shit skyrim mods go on sale to skyrim retards
>/v/ shits itself thinking every mod in the world is now locked behind a paywall for $60
>>292113562
>Microsoft pays people to report unlicensed version of software
>March 24.2015
Free Windows 10 is a trap.
>>292113058
>i can't control my wallet, the money is running to the screen, help!
Its not my job to watch you money for you retard.
>>292113215
How much, 5 bucks?
You didn't even pay for one hours worth of work at minimum wage for the mod.
Has anyone false flagged a child fucker mod yet?
>people are unironically defending a system whereby developers will profit from modders fixing the broken aspects of their game
That's it, I'm fucking done.
>>292108895
wow, get fucked op.
>>292113857
see>>292113058
>0.23 euros for Literally Nothing
>2 days after announce
>thinking this won't get worse
>>292111260
Assfaggots is coming too
>>292107559
>Entitled
>Wants money for modding a free game
Excellent use of bait mang :")
People paid for horse armor, people will pay for any shit mod on the store.
>>292113789
ha! You're right. You wouldn't pirate though, would you? I worked hard on this sword skin, it definitely FELT like 9,000 hours in MS paint. I need to feed my pet gerbil.
>>292113895
>"no one in this thread even donated"
>moving goalposts when proven wrong
you're a cheeky cunt.
>>292107135
>We'll never get a second golden age of modding
you'll never get my money
This is bait, but
In a perfect world you would be completely correct. I don't think it's wrong to paid for very well-made mods, with fair pricing.
Thing is, this is not what's happening. People are selling a couple bits of equipment and magic for 5 bucks a pop. People are stealing from eachother and going apeshit, and everything is a fucking mess.
Your argument falls apart by assuming everyone is a good guy that'll put all their effort into making their best work and putting in a fair price tag on it.
Not happening.
>>292110779
He is.
http://steamcommunity.com/workshop/discussions/-1/611704730315096577/?appid=72850
>>292113951
Even better.
According to Valvedrones, you are a shill from another company. That's how mindwashed they are.
>>292113951
Yep and it's basically outsourcing dlc development.
>>292114049
>5 bucks donated by one guy once is totally enough to support the modding community guz!
lawls
>>292113857
Nothing will get that expensive because Russians and Chinks will line up to steal a modders work, rebrand it, and sell it for less.
While I don't really care if mods are paid or not I find it extremely amusing how the people who are pro paid mods/modders themselves defend this, when they will get next to nothing yet again.
Not to mention they will serve to make corporate fat cats get even more money.
Do you people really believe they deserve to profit from your work?
This is like aftermarket car parts makers having to pay 75% of their profits to car makers. No one in their right mind would agree to that shit.
Not to mention having to actually get 400$ profit on a mod before you start earning your 25%.
Absolutely retarded. See if nexusmods gets a paid mod section with adequately priced mods where the modder gets 90% and 10% goes for the site upkeep that'd be good.
But the way Valve's doing it? They are gonna get rich off of retards who want to work for slave wages.
>>292114237
I never said how much I donated, nimrod. Glad to see you're eating your own words though.
>>292109817
Nice proof, until you show me why 2+2 doesn't equal 5 then it's going to equal 5.
>>292114237
>Have a real job, makes mods in my spare time
Holy fuck guys I'm literally starving, I don't even have running water anymore, please give me 25% of $400 to save me
http://www.tubecup.com/videos/18709/tranny-4/
>>292114348
>he works for Valve!
>>292113969
why are you spending 23 euro cents on nothing?
You guys should feel humbled.
We all witnessed the birth and evolution of some Rothschild-tier shit in PC gaming.
>Valve releases a pretty good game
>Valve locks the sequel behind DRM
>The DRM becomes a de facto monopoly of online game storefronts
>Valve gradually locks people into Steam by giving valueless digital items tangible value (hats, keys, crates)
>Valve created an entirely closed ecosystem and economy that is basically unregulated by any governing body
>Because your account is only worth anything through the Steam ecosystem, you can't leave without surrendering your accumulated "wealth"
>Now they can gradually keep fucking you and there's not shit you can do about it
Brilliant. Truly. I'm genuinely curious how much of this was planned from the start. I wonder how much farther it will go. I'll have the popcorn ready regardless.
>>292114427
to support the modder you filthy pirate. You're LITERALLY killing the modding industry by wanting to let low quality mods get sold for free.
>>292114435
Sub fee is next, just wait, they'll call it a premium service or some shit
>>292114237
And to make 5 bucks from a mod in Valve's system, a dollar priced mod will have to get over 420 sales to generate 5$.
So maybe some of the big modders will make some dosh(still giving 75% to valve kek) but they were already getting that through donations.
Just because you haven't made a good, popular mod and no one donated for your shit, doesn't mean that some people get a decent amount of donations.
>>292114427
Why are you so fucking entitled, is 23 euro cents too much for you?
>>292114391
>bimbo Bailey
>hot
lol no, he used to be hot before the boob job
