>Sovereign is too strong. I'm sorry. It's too late for me. Goodbye, Shepard...thank you
;_;
>>285406057
How did Saren become indoctrinated again? Did he just run into Sovereign somewhere on Spectre business?
>>285406219
Sort of. Read Evolution, it's pretty good.
>>285406367
I never played Mass Effect past 2, I'm definitely not going to read the EU.I never particularly thought Saren was memorable anyway. Sovereign was far more interesting as the big bad. It's a shame The Reaper in 2 was so cheesy.
Two years later, a human colony in the Terminus Systems suffers an attack from a new menace... The Collectors, lead by yet another Reaper, Harbinger. Fortunately, Shepard arrives in an attempt to repel the attack:
>*Harbinger possesses a Collector*
>"Lol this hurts you"
Who could have ever thought that was a good idea? Way to degrade them, I can't even take those encounters seriously anymore. I understand they wanted to give him a somewhat more prominent role to remind us that the Reapers are still there and are a threat to us since they weren't the spotlight of ME2's plot but I think there are better ways to appear menacing than that.
About Saren, I admit that the moment caught me completely off-guard, specially since it was my first playthrough. I felt bad for the poor guy. In the end he was just trying to save the galaxy from the Reapers on his own way, yet lost himself in the process
Ya whatever ye giant wuss
Ya know, I like shitposting about ME quite a bit.
But there have been, like, a LOT of ME threads lately.
Is bioware shilling us for ME4?
>>285406057
He reminds me of some Disney villain
>>285406057
So was the model Saren used throughout the whole game supposed to be his end game model? Nobody ever questions the fact that he looks like hes half machine from the very beginning, and he talks about being upgraded when you encounter him at the end.
>>285408909
you mean Volume Cause?
>>285408909
That is pretty weird though, theres been a shit ton in the past week
>caring about mass effect 4
the original componists are gone, the whole audio team is thrown out and replaced by a new one, why do you even care? you've been fucked over so hard you're suffering stockholm syndrome. fuck off already and take this disappointment of a putrid rotten corpse to /vg/.
he literally an hero'd
>>285412318
All they talk about is bread
>>285410436
Yes.
>>285406057
Could they have made this dude look any more evil?
Saren is like the turian equivalent of having a huge widow's peak and a twirly handlebar mustache.
For some reason I always thought mechanical implants were relatively common amongst spectres but Saren took it up a level
>>285406560
whatever dude, kill yourself then
Games where ok, but villains, specially Saren where cartoonish as fuck. They seriously dropped the ball with this franchise, Indoctrination and reapers where a coolcopiedconcept.
>>285414098
>hoping anything thought-out in Mass Effect writing
You should feel bad for Saren. Dude lost his brain to the machines. Not very memorable, though.
Though he was still a dick getting whats-his-face kicked out of the Spectres. He was racist/specieist, but so were a bunch of other characters.
>>285417640
His voicework was really nice at least
>>285407974
I had no idea Harbinger was even a reaper until Mass Effect 3. I thought that was what the head collector was called.
>Sovereign is the reaper who was sent ahead of the others and alerted humanity of the reapers existence
>Harbinger is the original reaper and the closest thing they have to a leader
Which idiot was in charge of naming these guys.
>>285414098
according to the in-game lore, turians without face tattoos are seen as untrustworthy among their kind. Nihlus was an idiot.
>>285418362
Anything in the lore to explain why no one reacts to Saren being obviously 40% Geth as soon as he shows up? The guy literally had tubes and wires hanging out of his face, and the council just goes, 'lol, no he's cool.' That always bothered me.
>>285418709
Nothing. But they only see him via monochrome video feed between Eden Prime and Shepard's induction, so that might excuse them.
>>285418362
Guy was part of the special forces of the galaxy, and even among humans, there will always be rebels who buck the social standards, so if the council was willing to trust him, and him being practically a legend among turians anyway, it's not unlikely that they would give it a pass.
>>285418362
>>285418709
>barefaced
>obviously fucked up on bad cyborg tech
>voiced by Fred Tatisciore sounding as sinister as possible
>has those weird things on the side of his head
>Joker mouth and razor teeth
Nigga looks like a demon, and acts incredibly suspicious at every turn, yet everyone thinks he's 100% trustworthy.
The only video game villain who is more obvious is Mephiles the Dark.
>>285419484
Of course we would think he is suspicious... we're humans, new to the shit and heroes of the game, and already been fucked over by him once. If you look at it from everyone elses point of view, he could have looked like an angel in every matter not involving humans.
>>285419484
Well, the council were reluctant to believe saren was the devil because it would make them look like idiots in front of humanity. The only guy who was really fooled was nihlus, and that was before anyone knew he was up to shit. Appearance doesn't mean everything. Shit, tali looked like a female darth vader to me at firsthnnngbut I trusted her
>Feeling bad for Saren
>Not feeling bad for Nihlus
Greatest specter of all time.
>>285418229
Oh, wow, are you me?
I thought the same.
>>285419790
>>285419903
The key here is that we're only seeing Saren from one perspective (the human one), plus we have an insight into his actions from the very beginning, even though we're technically not supposed to know. We have no idea what Saren was like before the game started, other than that one incident involving Anderson.
>>285418709
I had assumed cybernetics were commonplace in the future.
A secret agent operating in the space boondocks would have to make do with whatever worked, but he's like the only character in the series with a prosthetic because Bioware's a lazy mess.
So fuck that idea then.
>>285407974
>About Saren, I admit that the moment caught me completely off-guard, specially since it was my first playthrough.
Dude's face looks like a circuit board.
>>285420134
greatest at getting teamkilled
>>285420134
>Nihlus
>Greatest specter of all time.
No having Shields in the back. Sure greatest specteer of all time. :^)
>>285421137
Seriously. What are those things on the side of his head, and why does he have them? No other turian has those.
>>285421368
Hurr durr genetic mutation, pretty much alien down syndrome
>>285421368
The latest in Turian fashion, bro. Don't hate.
>>285407974
Mac Walters thought it was a good idea.
If you don't know, Drew Karpyshyn wrote the good parts and was involved less and less as the series went on.
Mac Walters was a lead writer and is responsible for 3.
>>285421368
ME1 hints at things like alien subspecies and model variety, certain characters having interesting traits, aliens that aren't just a human with make-up.
But then Bioware said it was too hard.
>>285407974
because Shepard goes from being a nobody to have the attention of the reapers since he killed one of them/stopped them
He still refers to your companions as "minions" thus not giving them any value.
>>285422150
>But then Bioware said it was too hard.
More like EA said it wasn't cost effective.
>>285419484
You silly humans and your primitive behaviour of judging people based on how they look.
That's why the entire universe laugh at you.
How are they gonna do a sequel?
As limited as the contact was am I the only one who wanted to see a little more of the first contact eat, the council's intervention, and the introduction of humanity to the wider galactic community in general?
TELL ME ABOUT GARRUS
WHY DOES HE WEAR THE VISOR
>>285422397
>Bioware
>EA
The same thing. Bioware of the 90's to mid 00's is dead and gone.
And it isn't coming back.
>>285423552
LOTTA CALIBRATIONS FOR A HIRED TURIAN!
>>285421127
Ah, damn, forgot to specify. I was saying that I didn't expect the guy to actually an-hero, anyone could tell he wasn't thinking straight from the get-go.
>>285423612
>No calling it now BiowEAr
How the endings should have been (without replacing them entirely):
1.
>With 100% support and points from all available races they can destroy the reapers with conventional means while Shepard fucks up the reaper hivemind by destroying shit inside the Citadel/blows up the entire citadel (he/she never gets wounded beaming inside). Messing up reapers ability to co-ordinate and function properly. Lose some teammates in the process as they fight desperately out in space. Shepard and teammates survival depends on the outcome of a last fight you actually play.
A rather straight forward ending for those dedicated enough to earn it.
2.
>Turning to reaper technology too much to gain strength and power leaves Shepard in the same spot as Saren and Illusive man, facing another spectre agent who confronts him.
With heavy integration into reaper technology Shepard can now choose Destroy or Control depending on his Paragon and Renegade status.
3.
>With partial integration of reaper tech and assuming he let the Geth live Shepard can discover and create the Synthesis solution within the Geth database "world", activated via the crucible. or just remove that shit entirely
cont.
>>285424246
4.
>Shepard without proper alliances, technology or otherwise is forced to either Destroy the reapers in a sloppy way and at the cost of his own life (basically Destroy bad ending). He can also choose partial control of the Reapers where he turn them on themselves and smash the mass relays with Reaper capital ships. This weakens the reaper force massively and prevents any reaper reinforcements. The control is temporary and leaves Shepard weak enough to only observe the allied forces fighting desperately before he falls into a coma (he doesn't die). The outcome is never clearly revealed and all you get to see in the very end is a fight that could go either way. Reaper support which remain in other systems are cut off, for now. Lose a lot of teammates in the process.
5.
>Let the cycle continue
Two different speeches and motivations depending on Paragon and Renegade status. This also “kills” the starchild avatar, surprised by your primal reaction.
>>285424246
If it were possible to defeat the reapers conventionally with the power of friendship don't you think it would have been done in a previous cycle?
>>285424556
No one has been inside the citadel with the starchild in a previous cycle. This just assumes he isn't hurt and has to limp towards 3 options.
>>285424556
No previous cycle has actually faced the reapers this way before.
In every other previous incarnation, the Reapers warped into the citadel space, took over the relays CUTTING EVERYONE OFF FROM EACH OTHER, and picked the galaxy apart one relay at a time.
In this cycle, the reapers actually have to wage a conventional war, do not control the relays, and can't just mass-warp into citadel space.
There's also the idea that you COULD HAVE spent ME3 gathering lost tech from failed cycles (or with Geth assistance), developing new weapons by standing on the shoulders of those that were before you.
The weakness of the Reapers is their inability to progress past their self-defined "singularity".
By never being challenged, they've never had to adapt. Each cycle has pushed back slightly, until the Protheans tipped the scales to allow an early warning to slip past their system. This gave the next cycle a HUGE advantage, allowing them to tip the scales even FURTHER.
I would have been happy, too, if Shepard failed, and ME3 was all about "what you leave behind" for the next cycle, and that some vestiges of the main races would hide from the reapers and wait for the next cycle, knowing that there are some worlds the Reapers cannot see into, and some celestial obstacles they cannot approach.
>>285424246
That would be cool actually.
>>285419484
Exactly like this guy. It just blew my mind how the blonde chick trusted him so much.
>>285421950
Yeah, I've heard of that. There was also that plot about Dark Energy mentioned a couple times in ME2 that ended replaced by Starchild and all that jazz.
I would have liked to see Karpyshyn's (sp?) original plan for the trilogy in action, it would have been pretty interesting. Too bad it will never happen.
It's really sad, the universe had a huge amount of potential, the races had developed backgrounds and designs, the characterization was well done... The conclusion was pretty lackluster but it's also true that making every single choice made on the three games matter to a significant degree was an unrealistic expectation. It was an attempt, at least they tried
>>285422213
Well, I can understand that, given Shepard's defeat of Sovereign (the fact that the Councilors suddenly go all "Nah, Reapers don't exist, it's Geth tech" in ME2 was bullshit), the other Reapers would start seeing him as an actual threat, but Harbinger's ( >>285418229 I actually hadn't thought their names fitted the other better than themselves, funny, but wasn't Sovereign like a name Saren gave him?) constant trashtalking of Shepard felt really out-of-character for beings as superior as they were made out to be in the original, moreso considering that Harby is supposed to be their leader.
Y'all are probably sick of seeing this, but I'll post my ideas last time in case some haven't seen it yet
1. One of the Vorcha raised by people in the Citadel/whatever other organization for reasons I haven't banged out yet. 15 years old, nearing the end of his life. Laments how most of his species are utter fucking niggers and has tried and failed several times to help his people. Really civilized due to his upbringing. Tech specialist and heavy drinker
2. Batarian Medic
Fought during the Skyllian Blitz and the conflicts after. Chomps cigars and gets into passive-aggressive banter with the other human squadmates regularly
3. Quarian Biotic
Exposed to eezo before birth, basically a humanaboo and quotes old westerns occasionally. Outfit would have a few things on it that would confuse him for a human, IE human head shaped helmet, human shaped boots (which he says are remarkably comfortable), carries a holster with a Colt SAA at all times for aesthetics. Applies biotic effects to baseball sized metal balls ala steel ball run
4. Ex Alliance Pilot
Former ace pilot but was dishonorably discharged for addiction to Red Sand.
The idea I had in mind when I made them was that none of them were supposed to be 'world class' special if you know what I mean, aside from maybe the Quarian. He was designed with being the main character in mindwhy is writing this stuff so fun?
I know it took flak at the time for some questionable design and plot decisions but can we agree in hindsight that ME2 was the last good game that Bioware shat out?
>>285427080
It came out after DAO right? Then yes
>285426847
Oh, this post again. The ideas themselves are good. I specially like the vorcha and the batarian, since they feel like they'd fit like a glove on the universe. After all there's reports of vorcha being educated yet ending their careers tragically due to the 20-year-old-lifespan. A sad race, really. And the batarian is as good as it gets. A chance to get to actually know and understand the race, with the bitterness from surviving the war and all the crap humans and batarians are constantly putting each other through.
The quarian, well, I like quarians, and having one get interested in human culture could lead to some funny situations. There's also the possibility he decides to become a cowboy-themed bounty hunter and decides not to return to the flotilla, I don't know. Yet it puzzles me how would he find human boots comfortable, their legs are significantly arched backwards after all. But the guy has potential
The pilot on a quest to redeem himsel is not bad either, but doesn't feel really fresh as a concept, by which I don't mean it can't be well executed, of course it can. But that's just my assumption on what you're trying to do with the character, tell me what you have in mind for him.
In general the ideas are good, I'd like to see them come to life
>>285408909
Considering 90% of them have been "This could've been a great series if bioware didnt fuck it up" id say no
>you will never hear " you are not Saren." for the first time again
fuck that part gave me chills. Then they dropped the ball with the Reapers giving them such a stupid reasoning.
>>285429009
The batarian and the pilot would constantly bitch at each other
And as for the boots, I meant that the foot shape on them were like a human's, with the space in between the toes filled infuck, I wish I had a drawing of this or something
>>285423253
>hey Garrus
>what, Joker?
>I slipped some Red Sand into Shepard's food and he's tripping absolute balls... Wanna listen?
>sure
2 hours later
>so let me get this straight, The Reapers had a small yet incredibly technologically advanced army at their disposal, yet Sovereign had to resort to the geth?
>I know, man
>And Cerberus expected Shepard to help him, despite the fucking horrifying, not to mention mind numbingly retarded, things we all saw them doing?
>I'm more trying to figure out about how the fuck they changed from a renegade black ops unit, to a small group of cells, to a fucking army
>still makes more sense than the Reapers having an AI in the citadel, yet needing the Keepers to send the signal, and needing Sovereign to manually fix it.
>dowloading me1
what am I in for?
>>285430632
shit combat, good rpg
>>285430632
>Good game where you can have fun with not ideal mechanics
>Terrible shit with many tedious mechanics and boring as fuck combat
Choose for yourself
>>285430880
>>285430912
>Shit combat
>Not modifying a pistol to fire endlessly which can deal with several immunities
>Not playing sniper only and sending ragdolls bouncing on walls and ceilings with the force, damage and 400% more overheat upgrade
Shit is what you make it.
>>285430632
Shotfuns
>>285430356
Oh, okay, I get what you mean. Yes, I remember looking at some concept art of the quarians and thinking "Man, it would be way easier and safer to have the space between the fingers covered and protected instead of being separated, they're kind of asking to get broken". And I guess that if the boots were big or flexible enough the legs being arched backwards wouldn't be much of a problem.
>>285430429
>Man, Red Sand is one helluva drug
>Remember the times when talking to friends who also played ME1 about what will happen in ME2 and how all those CONFIRMED hundreds of recorded choices will affect the outcome of everything
>Still having hope after ME2 with those choices
WHY?! WHY. STOP IT WITH THESE THREADS PLEASE STOP MAKING ME REMEMBER STOP IT PLEASE STOP IT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>285430880
>>285430912
I'm replaying it right now and I enjoy the combat quite a bit. Thought it was subpar before, I dunno why I'm feeling it now.
>>285423379
It was too short of a war to matter.
>>285430632
The most hit or miss experience of all times
You'll either think it's one of the best RPGs you've ever played , or a boring piece of shit
>>285426847
>Revolver Quarian
Somebody needs to shoop some purple and some lines onto Ocelot's face
>>285430429
>someone found a post I made worth turning into pasta
it is a good feel
>>285423552
So you can tell him apart from any of the other 100 Turians in blue armor all over the galaxy
>>285425931
Andrea was a fucking retard. Did you not learn that when she pulled a gun on Rick?
>>285431848
>Rank X Spectre Sniper Rifle
>Scram Rail X x2
>High Explosive Rounds X
>Add in Master Assassination for flavour
Instant overheat, but the priiize.
I missed weapon mods in ME2 so much
>ME4 comes out with a decent, but completely new soundtrack
>the game arrives at a solemn moment
>Vigil begins to play
regardless of how good or bad the game turns out, I'll be pissed if they don't do this
>>285436437
Yeah, can't wait to pirate the shit out of that game.
>>285436198
The overheat is a non-issue since you oneshot almost everyone with a headshot and most enemies aren't very aggressive.
>mfw parking the Mako 10 miles away and sniping whoever is guarding the only base on the planet
>>285431848
The gunplay is still trash even though the weapons are absolutely fucking ridiculous.
Hell, I'd say that the combat only rates as "passable" because of those mods.
>shotguns that overheat instantly but deal incindiary and poison damage at once and get 100% knockdowns on everything forever
>potentially in slow-mo due to framerate issues because ME1 is weirdly optimized
>>285436873
Real men get out of the Mako to fight thresher maws.
>>285436994
>weirdly
As in, 'not at all'.
>>285437142
Oh, of course i meant getting out and whipping out your sniper rifle. Not shooting WITH the mako.
>thresher maws
It's so rewarding (literally) to finish off a thresher maw by getting out of the mako before landing the final shot.
I didn't even play ME3 after the retardation in ME2. And seeing the trailers with tons of Reapers floating around London. Lol fuck off
>>285437156
I've heard it just magically runs better on some machines than others, not based on power, but just, like
it was optimized for THAT card and THAT processor, that's it
>>285437309
>not sniping with literal tank cannons
what is wrong with you
>>285437592
Too easy.
>>285437592
>what is wrong with you
It gets old andnets you less xp
>>285437571
ME2 was salvageable, but by DA2's release you could tell that it sure as hell wouldn't be anyone at bioware doing it.
>that one OVERHEAT FOREVER bug
Shit was hard
>>285435676
I knew that but still. I was happy when she finally died.
>>285437926
I hated this shit because there were rumors that it was an anti-piracy measure.
So every time I'd ask for help on it it was "PIRATE PIRATE PIRAAATTTEEEE FUK U" even though it was a legit copy that I won in a contest
>also sometimes couldn't switch or holster weapons when overheat bug hit
[CALIFORNIA ANTIGUN NOISES]
Reposting a mishmash of ideas for how 3 should have ended
> No explanation is ever provided for the origins of the Reapers.
>They are just harvesting civilizations to create new Reapers, it's essentially how they reproduce. None of the "synthetic/organic" business, and none of the dark matter business for that matter.
>No Star Child. Harbinger is the big bad, and is essentially the core of the Reaper hivemind, keeping all the other Reapers in check.
>"The Crucible" is some sort of virus that will disrupt Harbinger's control over the hivemind, and to make it work, you have to upload it at the source inside Harbinger.
>Final mission involves luring Harbinger in, finding a way to temporarily disable him, and making your way inside.
>While inside, Harbinger makes a last ditch effort to Indoctrinate you. Dialogue choices are vague and unclear, and if you make the wrong choices, you are Indoctrinated, getting a bad ending.
>If you succeed, you make your way to the Harbinger's "brain", where the Illusive man tries to persuade you to help him use the Crucible to control the Reapers, rather than destroy them.
>You tell him to piss off, he turns into Reaper monster, and a boss battle ensues.
(cont.)
>>285440040
>Illusive man now in full on monster form like pic related is linked to harbinger
>Now here's where all the choices you made building up your army and keeping your squadmates alive come into play
>Virus weakens harbingers coordination of the reapers and essentially levels the playing field between the combined forces of the galaxy vs the reapers while Shepard must finish off harbinger now in illusive man form akin to how sovereign took control of Saren at the end of me1
>Final battle is now in 2 parts, galaxy vs the reapers while Shepard and ALL of the surviving squadmates join him to fight the xbox huge illusive man/harbinger abomination
>Battle outside hinges on what forces you were able to recruit (krogans/salarians)/galaxy rating etc.
>battle inside hinges on your squadmates assisting you
>now this is the "leader" of the reapers in full force through the form of a corrupted/augmented illusive man so he's almost too swole to control
>fortunately you have pretty much ALL of your fucking squadmates that you saved through the course of the 3 games
>biotics like samara and jack can create fields to deflect psionic attacks from giga martin sheen
>tanks like wrex and grunt can do shit like slam into his legs to knock him over or throw debris at him
>techies like kasumi and tali hack disrupt and confuse him
>rest of the crew lay down the pain blasting at him blowing off chunks of armor with grenades/special ammo etc.
>ending depends on how quickly you and your team were able to finish off harbinger along with how well your combined forces of the galaxy did against the now significantly weakened reapers
>>285430632
Make sure you download the new texture mod that came out for it. Makes the game look waaaay better.
>>285440304
This has potential
>>285440304
>>fortunately you have pretty much ALL of your fucking squadmates that you saved through the course of the 3 games
see, that's something that annoyed me in 2 and 3.
I didn't mind not using all your crew in one, since it was clearly just a throwback to old school RPGS, but the other two never had any moment where you could meaningfully utilise your entire squad despite claiming the squad was important (2) and that it was all coming together here (3).
I know 2 had a colossal total of 4 moments where squad members mattered for something other than being a backup dancer, but I wanted something more.
Why not deploy Garrus, Zaeed or Thane as sniper support if you don't choose them as a companion?
Why not have Tali, Legion, EDI or Mordin giving us tech support?
Why not have Jack, Liara, Samara or Miranda giving us biotic backup?
I know the answer, bioware being too fucking lazy, but it sill galls me.
>>285444665
I get where you're coming from, but I'm having a hard time thinking of any games that do meaningfully utilize party members outside of the active party.
>>285420134
he got out while the getting was good. I feel bad for every single character that had to deal with the writers' incompetency
>>285421950
they dont call him mac "the hack" walters for nothing people...
>>285436437
the music was really the only worthwile part of mass effect, and even now I can't enjoy it without remembering everything and becoming enraged
>>285421324
he had shields, anon.
He was also quite the Marauder in his youth as well
>>285406057
>want to play ME Trillogy
>I know I will get stuck at half of ME2 as always
>>285448781
>getting stuck in ME2
How?
Are you playing an Adept on insanity or something?
>>285448781
You can drop series after finishing first game anyway
>>285448948
I think he's saying he gets bored at that point.
>>285449191
that makes more sense.
Anything not an Infiltrator or Vanguard gets really fucking dull.
>>285421950
this piece of shit ruined it all
>>285449510
No, people who were okay with ME2 ruined series
>>285449342
Well, time to check it. Thanks for idea anon.
Such a shame Adept sucks in ME2. It was my favourite class in ME1.
>>285449618
let's be fair, anon, ME3 would never have lived up to the potential of 1 no matter how it went due to 2's influence, but Casey and that bastard were the ones that took it from wasted potential to an atrocity.
>mfw all the anti customer shit bioware employees goes completely unchecked, but Patrick Weekes making a single tweet about how Mack and Casey didn't use peer review was near instantly wiped.
I really wish I'd saved that fucking tweet
>>285434801
>Surrounded on all sides by geth
>holds up a device
>THE GETH ARE MINE!
>Your platforms and modules are no longer your own!
>insane quarian running around with an army of hacked geth
>>285450205
Don't forget Saren arm.
Honestly, we should never have found out anything about the reapers, their origins, their goals, their hopes, their dreams.
Sure, it may have pissed of some people, but it fits the whole alien, eldritch nature of them some much better.
>>285450205
I didn't realize how much I wanted this until someone mentioned it.
>>285450379
Oh fuck
>fighting an old shepard on top of the crashes normandy sr2
>instead of nanomachines he injectsantibiotics
>>285450919
I'd rather have had the Reaper problem solved by unifying the galaxy to the point where the Reaper tech superiority no longer matters.
We acknowledge how fucking massive a problem it is, and rather than knocking the Reapers down for cheap drama, the Galaxy builds itself up to face it.
Y'know, sort of like how Anderson/Udina described how they're going to spearhead the charge against them.
Goddamnit I hate it when people get derailed to pander to idiots.
Udina may have been a dick in ME1, but he wasn't a malevolent one, he was trying to be pragmatic and he had the misfortune to not have read the script.
The fact that he later got reworked into sleazy politician 72394 smacks of "b-b-but he disagreed with my character! He must be evil!"
>>285414771
does your butt hurt, friend
>>285410436
It's a Bioware RPG. What exactly were you expecting?
>mfw "You are not Saren."
>>285436437
Who the fuck is left to head ME4? Even that moron Casey Hudson left.
>>285451706
That one was a genuine time constraint, IIRC, not just being lazy.
It was supposed to be after Sovereigns "upgrades"
>be Adept
>have two Biotics with me
>permanently stunlocked Saren floating around
Was pretty cool
>>285433421
to be fair it could've still worked because me2 was essentially almost an unnecessary game from a story point of view. it was all about recruiting characters and their stories with maybe 5-6 hours of legit story.
>>285452153
I've never really thought about it before, but did anything actually happen in ME2?
Because looking back on it, all that happened could pretty much be considered filler, I mean, what was the actual overall threat of the collectors again, why did we have to spend a whole game fighting them?
>finish ME3 four years ago
>lose all interest in replaying the trilogy ever again
anyone else
>>285452739
Yep, i can never play the series after the taint of ME3 and NeoBioware
>>285452587
Cerberus introduced
Hints towards Genophage cure being possible
True Geth concept introduced
As far as important things go, that's about it.
I'd have said Aria, Omega and the Mercenary factions, but they all got any potential they may have had utterly pissed away
>>285452587
ME2 did character development well (though a bit samey on your team with all the daddy issues) and it was really good at making you feel like the hollywood superhero star of your adventure
plot was very much tertiary
>>285452587
Lore asspulls. Bioware essentially had no idea what to do with ME after the first game and it shows.
>Shepard dies in the opening
>OMG ITS A HUGE DEAL, GUYS!
>he's back not even 10 minutes later like nothing happened
Just... why?
>>285452739
I never played ME3 so I dont know that feel
>>285452587
They got COOLANT CLIPS.
Because EVERYONE hated the concept of infinite ammo and hailed clips as a faster reload than waiting about the same time to cool things. I'm even more amazed how it became universal standard.
>>285453226
They should have just put him in a coma with a near death state for say, 6 months and then have the rest of the game happen
>>285453226
>Just... why?
So they could push the reset button. That's really it.
>>285453226
there are so many things to ask that about in mass effect.
How would you fix 2, guys?
>no collectors
>TiM is a private individual trying to bring Cerberus, the rogue black ops cell, back into line for his own agenda
>Legion is one of the starting characters
>council/udina aren't dumbasses, but have to wade through red tape
>being a spectre actually fucking means something
>>285454295
Original plot
Geths were the ones who saved Shepard
Cerberus just a bunch of retards
Grey something still on your side even if you betrayed him in the first game
>>285429791
You need to figure out how marketing works.
>>285430632
Take up a sniper rifle.
>>285455070
What do you mean?
I like the Illusive Man's theme from 2 and the final mission. As much as 2 was just completely out of place, I found it half decent
It really sucked how they just completely dropped the concept of SPECTREs after the first game. The series really should have taken a more serial, James Bond-like format where each game has a completely new galaxy-threatening plot that Sheapard needs to stop using his kickass SPECTRE gear and resources. They were even halfway there with the Collectors, just drop the connection to the Reapers and go from there.
>>285455070
fun fact: bioware/ea don't let their marketers use reverse psychology/bargaining.
/v/ throws the term out a lot, but the genuine marketers for bioware games can be spotted a mile off, since they have to promote the game, but are leery of outright lying about it in case they get busted.
This means that the real deal shills almost always try diversionary tactics (Like CDPR derails, accusations that they didn't play it, "that obvious shill you just archive busted is just a troll", weasel words, or the old favourite "/v/ hates everything/le anti bioware maymay"
If you see people using those tactics to defend bioware, chances are it's a shill.
If you see someone shitting on bioware a lot, and creating new threads to do so, it's probably one of the many people that grey up with bioware as their childhood/adolescence defining RPG (BG 1/2, KoToR, Jade Empire, or even ME1. Jesus, how time marches on) and feel violated about how the company turned to shit.
>>285456158
I don't even see why this matters, if people are actually gullible enough to be influenced by posters on /v/ to go back to Bioware and give it another chance after they had previously sworn them off then they're idiots and deserve to lose their money to the shills.
>>285454295
>retain the 3 act structure
>reduce the size of the cast to one similar to ME2's with more temporary squadmates that filter in and out over the course of the game
>initially have the plot focus on the search for Crucible plans or something similar (it's a workable concept, just one that was executed extremely poorly)
>Miranda and Jacob introduced as independent operatives interested in stopping the Reapers
>choice in whether or not to trust her and Jacob
>Cerberus covertly assists Shepard but betrays him at the end of the first act (Jacob may defect depending on alignment)
>second act focuses on thwarting Cerberus
>choice between saving/killing Miranda and possibly Jacob
>third act fosuses on Arrival
>Batarian squadmate
>explore Batarian-Human relations
>make choice similar to the one at the end of the DLC
>mix of loyalty missions and ME3-style side missions (no, not the fetch quests)
>>285456526
I completely agree with you there, I just think it's important to not flog the shill horse too often.
>>285456158
>BG 1/2, KoToR, Jade Empire, or even ME1
Fuck, ME2 was the first bioware game with not shit tier clunky gameplay
>>285456590
Overall, it'd be a grimier, more subdued game with a focus on espionage and black ops. Shepard works off the grid but still reports to the council, there's a hefty helping of Terminus politics mixed in, and squadmates have conflicting loyalties and hidden motivations.
>>285456868
one reply, that's the best I can give you.
>>285456965
The thing I loved most about ME2 was doing shit in the terminus systems
>>285406560
Mass Effect EU was actually good when it was written with only the first game in mind i.e. the first two books. Introduced an actual non-shitty Illusive Man for one.
>>285453035
Cerberus were introduced in the first game and a novel. ME2 turned them from a black ops outfit within the Alliance into a NGO superpower capable of bringing people back to life. ME3 in turn molded Cerberus into a full on faction capable of fighting toe to toe with the major Galactic governments with an army of slave soldiers.
>>285460426
>ME's writing will never get unfucked
>>285460426
I meant Cerberus introduced as something you could interact with, not just faceless scientists who were astoundingly short sighted.
>>285461601
It can be
Just make second and third game a bad dream of Shepard after he ate some mushrooms
Or all games were just a popular sitcom in the galaxy
>>285461929
>implying that will ever happen
>>285461929
>ME4 opens with Udina showing Shepard the unlicensed tv show someone made about him, and asking if he wants him to be his legal representative.
a man can dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUKiOcV1SSc
It was good journey
Too bad, next 2 games ruined it
