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Who would win?
>people will argue a monster hunter can beat CHOSEN
>>284744649
CU could hardly beat a monster
CO beats 20 big bosses and his journey ends.
MH beats hundreds of them and it just part of his daily routine.
>>284744319
Can monster hunters use magic?
Chosen Undead is basically immortal. He'll just come back if he loses.
>>284744319
If you remove the special snowflake status of CU, he would lose.
>Fromdrone's face when MH3U Slime Dual Blades
CU because he can actually lock on.
>>284744649
Monster Hunter is stonger, but CU wins because of magic. Slayer of Demons could beat both of them at the same time though.
>>284745623
Monster Hunter just carts, doesn't die.
>>284745865
Crutch, even then you can snap the camera to the target in MH.
>CU stronger
FACT: Monster Hunters are immune to fall damage.
CU would just die if he gets hit once by a Brachydios or slime weps.
>>284746180
>magic holding a candle to elder dragons
I take it you've never played monster hunter.
>>284744897
>Chosen rolls through Monster's attacks
>attacks it's
How is that any different from what a MonHun Character does.
>magic
>not having all sorts of bombs, traps and fully-healing items
>>284745627
No range and can't turn for shit?
MH can't fight small, humanoid targets for shit
He can't even lock into them
Enjoy missing all your swings asshole
>>284744319
Chosen Undead, easily.
Great Sword users are shit at the game and have to justify their bad skills with their giant sword just like how a man with a small penis has to justify it with a large truck.
>>284746486
>slower
>spends more stamina to roll/run
>recovers less stamina over time
I'm talking % based anyways and reference to models position.
Also
>spending stamina on your own attacks
>>284746520
>cant hit shit with DB
LS pls go and stay go. And take your fedora with you.
I feel like Dark Souls gives you a lot more freedom of movement, and all the attacks have much less recovery frames. I could be wrong, but if it's true that gives CU a huge advantage. Along with not having to sharpen weapon in middle of combat and whatnot.
>>284746358
The ones you need stationary ballistas and cannons for, or the ones that no different to Souls bosses, except slow and clumsy by comparison?
>>284746358
I dont know the effectiveness of magic on monster hunter enemies since I only use raw damage in those games
>>284746798
>I have never played Monster Hunter before
lol
>>284744319
>circle strafing vs standing still while charging a blade
Chosen undead wins, he already beat Havel without any issues so MH GS guy has no chance.
CU can't die
>>284746692
Who are you quoting? Please, pay attention.
>>284744319
MH has flash bombs. MH can also carve the CU once hes been killed.
>>284746859
>charging a blade
>he doesn't crit draw style
>>284746886
Neither can hunter.
>>284746856
You didn't answer the question.
>>284746909
That wouldn't stop him from coming back.
>>284746856
that was a different person
>>284746816
this was the one you responded to originally
CU even if his immortality isn't a factor, he took out MH sized things without the colossal weapons or outside devices.
>>284746918
But the hunter can fail the quest if he dies 3 times.
Monster hunters can roll out after an attack really fast depending on it's strength.
>get hammer
>golfswing to roll
>golfswing CU into abyss
Fuck even the lance has a built-in counter.
>>284747078
in-game it says cart, and you visibly see yourself cart.
>>284746918
Is that a gameplay thing or an actual story lore thing though. Like, if the Hunter got impaled by a giant dildo would he wake up in his bed or something?
looks like we need those faggots from gametrailers or whatever to make a youtube video about this one fellas
I'm going to have to go with CU since the CU relies on being powerful themself instead of using equipment to become more powerful.
CU wins because Havel Monster and Red Iron Winblade with pre-nerf Monastery Scimitar secondary.
CU is better against smaller enemies, MH is better against bigger ones
If they switched games, CU would die against the first boss, whereas the MH would die against the first group of hollow warriors
>>284746909
Flash can be blocked by shields, and CU can move while guarding.
>People bringing up the "Character can't die" excuse
Every character except War from nethack can come back after they die.
>>284746997
>hunting elder dragons with ballistas and cannons
Scrub pls go and stay go. You don't even get that for some elder dragons, you beat them down with your weapon, nothing more.
>>284747034
I was saying that magic in souls games is pretty tame in comparison to hunting things like elder dragons. Magic wouldn't give the win to CU, but something else might.
>>284747129
well, if he "carts" 3 times, he can't try anymore unless he restarts the quest.
meanwhile, chosen undead can never die as he just comes back to life at the last bonfire.
So in theory, no one can win because they both never die. One has to surrender.
>MH
>countless armor skills that can specifically remove nearly all problems one can find in combat and others
>moxie
>adrenaline
>latent power
>evasion
>sheathing
>>284747329
>You don't even get that for some elder dragons, you beat them down with your weapon, nothing more.
That's exactly what I posted.
>>284747281
>CU would die against the first boss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhdaUCeDjiE
>>284747281
MH literally pits you against multiple smaller enemies first and mini-bosses with smaller counterpart as cronies.
Why would they fight? They'd probably bro it out and go fuck up some dragons.
>>284744319
Sorry but there is one simply thing that makes it impossible for the hunter to win. The CU can parry. Everytime the MH goes for an attack he'll just get parried until he runs out of potions and dies. The GS's crit draw won't mean shit when it gets slapped to the side and you get a sword in the chest.
>>284747440
no, you posted
>except slow and clumsy by comparison?
which is wrong.
DS doesn't even have anything near the sizes of monsters MH has.
>>284747524
And said smaller enemies are basically braindead, do chip damage and you can kill them without even trying to by swinging your weapon on a wide angle
Try pitting the MH against small enemies with actual AI
>>284744319
Chosen Undead wins because Great Sword users are terrible.
Now if the MH person was using dual blades...it would have been a different story.
>>284747602
>get hit
>drains stamina
Weaker version of SnS guard already.
Lance can guard and poke afterwards, and turn in place.
Gunlance also explodes, block that motherfucker.
Monster hunters aren't even affected by hand-held weapons.
>>284747668
>braindead
like hollow warriors right?
>>284747809
What the fuck are you talking about? Any physical attack can be parried you dongus. IF you get parried you take a shit ton of damage from the riposte. Have you played DaS? A parry ISN'T a block.
>implying if the two games weren't crossed-over somehow with two players in pvp limited to the original games restrictions that the Dark Souls player wouldn't destroy the Monster Hunter player due to lock-on and faster stamina recovery alone
>>284747630
>Kirin
>Kushala Daora
>Chameleon dickhead
>Lunasra
They would be pathetic if you had Souls mobility.
>>284747809
>Lance can guard and poke afterwards
dont make the CU estoc turtle your ass this is gonna be a pussy fight
On a 1v1 fight, the CU would win easily, but if they had to fight the other's bosses, MH no contest
>>284747989
>I hate evade distance because it raped my mother and refuse to use it
MH is only slightly slower than Souls, and it's by so little it's practically nil.
>>284747946
>physical
Explosions ain't physical.
>>284747636
>kalameet
>centipede demon
>gaping dragon
>hellkite drake
>ceaseless discharge
>hydra
>dragonbutts
>bed of chaos
>ancient dragon
>guardian dragon
>seath
>freja
>OIK
>demon of song
>dragonbutts 2.0
>
>>284744319
It depends, is the MH person allowed to use items?
>>284745415
Musical Magic
>>284747965
>stamina recovery
>Monster Hunters can stop stamina usage with items and buffs
>>284747809
Parrying nullifies any attack, stuns the attacker and leaves the attacker open for a riposte. Which is usually a one hit kill if the dude's a dexfag.
He can also parry projectiles and spells.
>>284748110
Then he can dodge them.
There that's it, the entire fight revolves around you spamming shells and missing, and the CU rolling behind you for a roll BS. You lose.
>chosen undead versus monsterhunterman
>chosen undead shows up to fight
>monsterhunterman nowhere in sight
>turns out he's still at the tutorial
>chosen undead wins by default
>>284747989
>They would be pathetic if you had Souls mobility.
I use DB anon.
>>284748230
None of those are bigger than a Jhen.
Chosen Undead would parry the Hunters slow attacks all day long.
>>284748262
Holy shit you don't even know how a Gunlance works.
>getting behind a Lance of any type in MH
>implying
>>284747391
And neither would surrender because the CU wants to progress and the Hunter wants to see what he can make with CU mats
>>284748498
DS is slower than MH.
>>284748416
you said nothing was near the size of MH monsters, you're just dodging the facts now. Gaping dragon is almost as big as jhen as well if you include it's tail.
>Fromdrones talking about parrying
>They don't know about Charge Blade Guard Points or Insect Glaive jump attacks
>>284748534
I know how a gunlance works you stupid shit, every time you shell there is a recovery time before you can move again. Every time you shell you get fucking BS'd because of the CU's camera snapping to your back and you instantly get hit by the BS. Please stop shitposting, lance's are immobile as fuck. If you still need a reference to how fast a BS happens, here you stupid shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYbB8L7hJIY
>>284747391Monster Hunter could capture him and let the Guild experiment on him eternally.
>>284748714
>doesn't know about monscim
>>284748694
Is this objectively true? It doesn't feel like it to me, I've always found MH sluggish as fuck.
CU wins because magic and miracles
>Cast TWoP
>Instagib the hunter with magic
>>284748615
Actually it works out in the end - CU dies, Hunter carves his shit then leaves to see what he can make with the CU mats, so CU can progress.
If anything, chosen undead can wait until everyone rots away, as he would always come back, insane or not.
and hunters DO age.
>>284748105
That's a really impressive streak of meme arrows you've got there. Evade distance doesn't change the length of animations and uncancelable recovery frames, as well as hunter's ability to adjust direction of a combo.
You've moved the goalpost like 3 times already.
>>284748712
Raviente
And no, Gaping, while very large, is quite smaller than Jhen.
>>284748808
>CU gets killed in captivity
>respawns free somewhere else
>comes back and nukes everyone with magic
>>284748834
So all those corpses we found in the Souls games were uncarved CU bodies... It all makes sense!
>>284748795
Lances aren't immobile you shitter.
Learn how to evade-hop like a motherfucker.
Backstabs are a result of shitty hitboxes and animations you nigger, your video is full of it.
1:06 shows the guy teleporting to a backstab.
>>284748694
A lot of Monster Hunter weapons are Souls greatsword tier swing speed. Using weapons that slow will get you parried to death.
>>284748402
Slow, short attacks.
They both are cancerous anyway but at least the souls guy cannot die. Man going multiplat really killed both series.
>>284748808Dark Souls guy could circlestrafe and dodge around the Monster Hunter guy until the "time expires", so the Dark Souls guy automatically wins because the Hunter timed out on the quest to defeat the Dark Souls guy.
The better question is how would dark souls bosses fend against MH bosses?
>>284747636
Dark Souls has Artorias.
>>284744319
CU has way more experience in fighting other humans, MH may be strong as fuck but he has literally no dueling experience.
It's basically amateur vs veteran boxer.
>all "magic" in souls is elemental magic
>MonHun guy deals with elements literally every day
B
T
FROMDRONES BTFO
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>>284746680
HBG pellet spam would wreck the CU
>>284749297
>sorcery
>no element except raw magic
what now
>>284748880
we're not talking about recovery frames, we're talking about mobility - mobility is movement over time. evade distance makes MH faster than souls when it comes to rolling, and the walk/run speed is nearly the same. Souls has less recovery frames, but that doesn't give it more mobility if you need to roll twice to achieve the same result. As for your other point, the direction of a combo is only impacted by slower weapons, like GS. Some weapons are sweeping with attacks, so they have no need to adjust directions - some can even hit 360 degrees with a single swing.
>>284749114
GS would be the Murakumo equivalent, try to parry that shit if you will.
>>284749297
>Abyss magic
>Elemental
>Sorceries
>Elemental
u wot
think about it, if the chosen undead would ever be placed in the MH universe, then the curse would be spreading around too.
in the end everyone is fucked, so why does it matter?
>>284749236
>Brachydios
>get hit
>waste stamina dodging to get it off
>explode
>Deviljho starts eating him
>no dung bombs
>can't penetrate Gravios shell
>Duramboros just spins all day
>Diablos charge all day
>Plesioth is too big, only hits feets and HIPCHECKS
The real question is does the Monster Hunter have any way of dealing with Tranquil Walk of Peace?
>>284749135
Are you talking about Dual Blades?
>>284749273
MH has Kut-ku
>>284749114
But you can't parry against two handed greatswords.
>>284749415
>Raw magic
>literally beams of shit
MonHun guy deals with that shit every day too
Try harder, fromdrone. Don't make me call the Monster Hunter Frontier guy to rekt your shit.
>>284749512
>plesioth hipchecks
pls no
>>284744319
I'd love to see the chosen undead deal with an enraged Nargacuga.
Or dual Brachydios.
>>284746687
>swinging a weapon wouldn't drain stamina
Kindred Hunter is the worst one in the series.
Steals the limelight of the already fucking incompetent Aces.
Runs the goddam Egg Yakuza
Does shitloads of under-the-table work, without the guild's approval.
And yet HE gets to be in the presence of His Immenseness, while the actual heroes are stuck in Shitty Mountain VIllage it's so Fucking Cold Here and Polynesian Shithole.
>>284745627
>CU is more special snowflake than a game about gay weebshit personified
SIMPLY
ERIC
>>284749441
Of course. I was more talking about weapons like the greatsword, hammer, hunting horn etc.
>>284749512
I said boss vs boss, not CU
>>284749691
MH swinging your weapon doesn't drain stamina unless you're charging a special attack or using demon dance.
>>284744319
What would actually happen is both would roll around continuously while the hunter's Felyne plinked CU to death
>>284749787
>not having 2felyne
I don't understand.
>>284749575
>Kut-ku
This is where your argument falls apart. Artorias is a Humanoid. CU can beat him, but can MH?
>>284749469
Excuse me
http://monsterhunter.wikia.com/wiki/Element
And let's not speak about status ailments as well.
>>284749693
>yfw Kindred Hunter gets all da pussy
>yfw I mean palicoes
>>284749909
different anon here, do apes count as humanoid? because Congalala would fit if so.
>>284749787
>implying the CU won't be backed up by his phantom bro Solaire
>>284749526
GS is already TWP tier in terms of movement, MH is used to it.
>>284749961
The only thing in DaS that fits on that page is the lightning bolts.
>>284750060
apes are Hominoidea
>>284750061
>Implying he's not backed by 2 giantdads
>MH jumps off a cliff
>CU follows behind
>MH takes no damage
>CU respawns at the bonfire
>MH stays at the bottom of the cliff
>CU goes back to the bonfire to set the slowfall miracle
>MH collects some berries
>CU jumps off cliff
>MH cimbs up the cliff wall
>CU needs to take the long route back to the top
>MH jumps off again when CU arrives
>Repeat until CU runs out of slow fall
>MH roasts some meat while CU goes and farms some spell restore herbs and fills all his slots with slow fall
>MH clicks abandon quest when the CU returns
>CU gets sent back to his world
>MH wins
>>284750189
>they don't do anything but spam gestures behind CU
>>284750097
>DaS doesn't have pyromancy
I'd imagine at least some fire stuff would line up.
>>284750189
>eat for Gamechanger
>Deviljho appears
What now?
>>284749273
MH has a SSJ Monkey.
>>284749428
>we're not talking
You aren't. I said that the dragons are slow. Walking and rolling aren't the only factors. CU can get in and out like a butterfly.
>>284750346
Oh fuck I'm retarded, my bad. But again, sorceries and abyss magic.
>>284750080
Okay, but then what's stopping the MH from eating a crystal soul spear/climax to the face and getting blown the fuck out? You can't block that shit.
>>284750440
Dodge it?
>>284749575
Clearly I do.
>>284750358
this happens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5Y_r9aZa1o
>>284750440
His armor and armor skills.
>>284750413
Black flame could fit under the abyss magic category of souls.
One thing we gotta avoid in this is just breaking it down to pure numbers.
Because MH's numbers are kind of inflated compared to Dark souls. Its monster have much more health numbers wise than Dark Souls
>use insect glaive, mount the chosen undead
>ride him off a cliff because I take no fall damage
>shit on his bonfire with my dungbombs
>he cant respawn
>win
>>284750503
Tranquil walk of peace is an aoe around the caster that slows anyone caught in it to a crawl and prevents rolling/backstepping/dodging at all.
Why versus?
imagine CU working together with hunters.
imagine that motherfucker wielding those 2-store house-sized swords.
now that's some real shit.
>>284750387
So it wasn't you that said
>They would be pathetic if you had Souls mobility.
? Then you're not even arguing what I am, so why did you even reply?
>>284750546
*I am.
No matter. DB are not slow at all. In what way do you mean they are slow?
>>284750730
>mount chosen undead
Yeah good luck hitting a tiny-ass humanoid with the leap attack while it's moving
>>284750775
imagine a CU with all CE capabilities
>>284750730
You can still respawn at an unlit bonfire.
>>284750379
Congalala?
Not a humanoid. The argument is presented poorly but I can try make it more clear. Artorias wrecks players left and right, and he is not big as a dragon. In Dark Souls, anything big is easy to counter, when you get someone around the same size as you. Shit get's real. Gwyn without CU parrying is a good example.
>>284750832
You need to improve your skills.
>>284750563
What did I just watch?
>>284750823
In comparison to CU attacks.
>>284750617
>Abyss magic
>having anything to do with fire
>having anything to do with dragons
>>284750730
you can't extinguish bonfires that have no keepers
>>284750617
>Armour
>Doing shit against magic unless it specifically resists it
>Even then high level magic still shreds 90% of your health and can just be cast again while you're still stuck in place
>>284750808
> PC MH
PLZ CAPCOM PLZ
>>284750774
Only if the player is above a certain weight.
Tranquil guarantees fat roll though.
But what even dictates a hunters weight.
They move the same using any armor and sheathed weapon.
Even then a Hunter can just use a barrel bomb to fly out.
>MH
>Being able to do fuck all against Pursuers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYCXnCm_TG8
>>284750950
the wrong vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNeD_eTLlDg
>>284751069
Not capcom, it's tencent. They are publishing and developing.
>Magic
Guard+2 with Guard inc
>Parry
LBG/HBG Pellet shot
Hunter is also inmune to fall damage.
CU would have to backstab chain Hunter to death.
>>284750832
MH has smaller shit hanging around.
Also, since the majority of attacks of MH cost no stamina at all he would simply have to spam and stagger with every hit. There are tons of videos of this shit in DaS with stamina, imagine it with no stamina and decent weapons.
>>284750889
Different anon here, MH3U had a mini uragaan. Does it have to be a humanoid? because that uragaan would push your shit in if you underestimated it based on size.
>>284751106
Anon please. MH can get fucked over by a lot of magic, but pursuers isn't one of them. He just deals with them the same way the CU does.
>>284750969
Not the same guy but DB are much faster with the exception of a few strong attacks of very specific weapons like Ricard's.
>>284751197
Impossible if he was wearing a barioth+ armor. Hunter would out-roll the chosen undead easy
>>284751312
>Does it have to be a humanoid
Yes, MH is a humanoid. CU can parry him.
>>284751139
>Film static
Not really fitting for the setting. But neat boss idea I guess
>>284745365
killing monsters to get out of an endless hell =/= killing monsters for a living
>>284750820
>agility
Happy now? I've already elaborated about this, twice.
>>284751462
I don't even know what you were talking about, just "X is a small humanoid monster, smaller than dragons", so I thought of the uragaan.
>>284751462
>parrying arrows, bullets and exploding barrels
>>284751462
Not if he's using a GS.
>>284751487
the point was CU could do the same thing or summon 2 more people who will also do it
>>284751197
>Guard+2 with Guard inc
>Implying that's doing to do anything except lower dark magic damage a bit
>>284751564
You can parry arrows
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXvA-zF0Nzs
>>284751582
You can parry greatswords
>>284751582
>Especially if he's using a GS
Fixed that for you
>>284751506
slow dragons have nothing to do with Souls mobility, which is about the same as MH mobility. You've elaborated nothing and talked in circles, especially with the
>Walking and rolling aren't the only factors, but I won't mention the others
>>284751693
>>284751738
>You can parry greatswords
Murakumo.
>>284751693
not to mention you can also get 100% invulnerability to all elements in DaS
>>284751738
>>284751693
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9--0WWJfF_Y
>>284751612
Guard up makes unblockable attacks blockable and Guard +1 itself negates any damage taken from a guard as well as some knockback.
monster hunter
>can literally jump off mountains and land without a scratch
>can shrug off being eaten, blown up, squashed by a monster the size of a house
>never dies
>swings weapons as heavy as themselves around without losing any stamina
chosen undead
>gets tired after 3 swings of a dagger
>can't fall more than 5 feet without dying
>dies to a hollow swinging their torch in their face
>gets dumber every time they die until they end up hollow
>>284751816
Murakumo would be more like a MH long sword
>>284744319
Huge act or suit of armor? Gee I wonder what'll win.
These are Monster Hunter hitboxes. Someone post the "le showckwave face" hitboxes from Souls
The whole point of Chosen Undead is that he's a normal guy who achieves victory through courage and perseverance. Also the ability to revive indefinitely.
Chosen has fought plenty of monsters that rival or overpower those from Monster Hunter. He'd definitely win.
You should have picked something from a good game, like Arisen. MonHun is terrible.
>use hammer
>sap away CU's stamina with each hit
what now
nigga can't run if his ass is being pounded.
>>284751816
>Murakumo
You can parry Murakumo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZVfcA2W6R8
>>284751893
CU cannot hollow, thats why hes the true chosen undead.
>There are people right now that think the Chosen Undead would win
>There are people right now in this thread that use skub
>>284750889
Rajang.
if you thought Artorias as a fast hitting motherfucker, you ain't seen nothing yet.
>>284752042
what about the Arisen from DD vs CU
>>284752052
>Parried
>LBG with pellet shots
>CU gets stunlocked nonscoped to death
>>284752042
>overpower those from Monster Hunter
Fight Dire Miralis.
>>284752062
Not in DaS2.
Also, wouldn't Mind's Eye completely nullify any and all parry attempts?
>>284752042
>has fought plenty of monsters that rival or overpower those from Monster Hunter.
None of them are half as threatening as the MH stuff.
I doubt that anything from Dark Souls could overpower a Jhen Mohran or Ukanlos even.
>>284752042
>anything in dork souls
>rivaling anything bigger than a great jaggi
>>284752084
>believing a lie from a hook-nosed serpent
good goy
>>284752208
>use Gunlance LONG
>shell every day
Now what.
You gonna parry an explosion?
Or just even use bowgun or bow with charge shots.
>>284751856
Well that feels more like a mechanics clash with how magic works, but as an aside, the CU has a guard breaker.
>>284746687
>>recovers less stamina over time
Seriously? It shoots back up in under a second, 0-100 with stamina reg.
>more I-frames
>magic
>fucking parries
CU would win a duel. That's what he does best. At hunting monsters? Only if he can use firestorm spells, or dark bead.
>>284751373
You are talking consecutive hits. Plenty of stabs are either faster or on par, without locking you to a direction, having long recovery before walking, and with a greater range, which is the second part of my comparison.
>>284752301
Lore wise or gameplay wise?
Gameplay wise, BoC can't be killed by any of the MH bosses because theyre 2big
>>284752272
We are talking about CU here.
>>284752191
We've had that conversation before. the Arisen wins because abusable invincibilty frame bullshit unless he went full maigc, then the CU shits on him with anti-magic.
>>284752390
>Using a hammer
>Suddenly using a gunlance
Nuh uh. I was talking specifically about the hammer anyways.
>>284752540
Yama Tsukami could eat it.
>>284752467
If you use DB like a retard, yes.
Otherwise you fill up your demon gauge and you just attack and dodge anything that comes your way faster than any roll CU could ever do.
No need to spam X+A
It looks like the argument as basically boiled down to
>parry=dead MH
>ranged/GL=dead CU
am I wrong?
>>284751993
>What's Uragaan?
>>284751753
Here.
>>284749428
Also CU can guard on the go.and use items anytime with any loadout.
>>284752541
Not the other guy but there are unparriable weapons in DaS.
The whole point of both these characters is that while they're very strong, they pale in comparison to what they fight. Putting aside game mechanics I think it would be close.
>>284752757
If CU has high poise and a shield he will survive range with no problem.
>>284752774
invisible "shockwaves" =/= ground pound intentional shockwave which can be seen
>>284752042
>Overpower those from Monster Hunter
>Ukanlos
>Berserk Deviljho
>SSJ3 Rajang
>White Fatalis
>Alatreon
>Yamatsukami
All dark souls has is Artorias, Kalameet and Manus.
>>284752301
Sif, Hellkite, Kalameet, any of the Demons could wreck pretty well anything in MonHun. Any of the humanoids would be OP as fuck in MonHun. Let's see a Rathalos try to come against fucking Kalameet.
The biggest monster in MonHun is a big sand slug. That's really not threatening.
>>284752757
>no one using SnS
>not just trap-bombing CU
>smoke bomb
>paintball
>not being ninja
>>284752757
>argument
there's only childish squabbling going on about stupid shit,w ith each side cherry picking their particular game rules.
relax guys, I got this. Accelerator wins all. Reflected like a bitch
>>284752845
Also it's a bit of a weird thing to compare two different games with very different combat, controls, and mechanics.
>>284752813
you linked me to my own post. well done.
>>284752958
Manus VS Rajang would be a fun fight to watch.
>>284752958
>big wyverns
>bit angry wyverns
>monkeys
>unicorns
Eh. Try an ancient dragon.
>>284752963
>being this delusional
Gore could take up any of those.
>>284752963
>sif tries to fight a duramboros
>gets squished in 2 seconds because lolnoheath like all the dark souls bosses
>>284753098
Try an Elder Dragon.
>>284752963
Rathalos is the Hellkite dragon equivalent.
Pair him next to Alatreon.
>bid sand slug
Raviente? The one who could probably swallow gaping with his mouth half open?
Dark Souls creatures have magic, all the monsters from MH are just big dinosaurs.
Seath or Kalameet alone would rule the Monster Hunter universe.
>>284752347
Well hes certainly something special considering he accomplished more alone than anyone else did as a group.
>>284745627
>special snowflake status
Nice meme there friend.
>>284752390
>shell every day
>all 3 of them
>fast reload is enough to eat a throwing dagger.
>>284753287
He might be talking about the Nibblesnarf. Is the Nibblesnarf a slug?
>>284753323
Amatsumagatsuchi is implied to be magical.
Also MH is full of TECHNOLOGY.
>>284752963
why would a shitty wolf with a knife be able to wreck anything?
The big sand slug is a city destroying beast. Its definitely threatening.
The Souls games have nothing like Dalamadur or Gogmazius either.
The hellkite doesnt even fight. It breathes fire and goes down like a bitch. Rathalos could take it on easily.
Biggie and Smalls are a bigger joke than any dual hunt.
>>284753347
And he feeds on his enemies souls.
>>284753206
Look at it from a lore perspective, not a numbers perspective.
>>284753323
yeah, sure
>>284749961
>>284753430
Snarf ain't no slugg!
>>284753428
You can do a shell to reload you in the midst of the explosion you know.
>3 shell GL
pleb
>>284752731
This has fuck all to do with the start of this chain, guy.
>>284748795
>lance
>immobile
look at this casul.
>>284753263
This nigger isn't even a real stone dragon and it's one of the hardest bosses in the series. Partly because of poor design, but still.
Monster Hunter rooms are about half the size of his arena, and he can cover his whole arena with 1HKO fire in an instant.
>>284753547
Trom the lore perspective its a dog with a sword.
>implying anything from monster hunter can beat a havelmom
>CH fights MH
>probably dies
>respawns at bonfire
>goes to fight aMh again
>if he dies again, fucks off to different part of map
>finds loots, kills monstets
>levels up, specializes his build and gear over time to specifically vounter MH
>keeps fighting MH and learning from it
He has infinite time to adapt and overcome. Any similar advantages shared by MH are eventually overpowered by the curse of immortality. Even if he gets his ass kicked for 100 years straight (and he probably wouldnt need more than a month, worst case), CU can simply outlast through the whole "not dying ever" thing.
>>284753547
Lore perspective, Gwyn in his prime would wreck everything. But we are sticking to his hollowed form, which still is quite powerful.
>>284753287
I'm talking about the big dumb Jabba things. Jhen somethingorother.
They're big desert slug walrus things.
>>284753630
Not the other guy but it's kinda hard to understand what you are trying to say. Literally speaking.
>>284753810
too bad MH has no parry, otherwise gwyn is fucking useless
>>284753704
From a lore perspective it's one of the few creatures that was able to traverse the abyss, and helped the Chosen defeat Manus, one of the more powerful Souls beings.
>>284753784
Well... MH never really dies... he gets carted and gets poorer.
>>284753970
Lance can parry fucktard, they have a built-in counter.
>>284753970
>what is charge blade
>what is lance
Chosen Undead can just parry the Hunter.
>>284754020
Gameplay wise he can't die, but there's no plot element saying he can't.
Chosen Undead can revive in-canon.
>>284753829
Jhen is a sand whale elder dragon. There are bigger things.
>>284753829
Jhen Mohran it's small compared to other monsters like Raviente and Dalamadur
>>284754113
What if the Hunter parrys CU?
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>>284753629
Read better.
>>284753982
>one of the more powerful Souls beings.
Which doesnt matter for shit because Souls beings arent a big deal.
Its a fucking dog with a sword. It wouldnt be able to dent an Uragaan even.
>>284753930
so you link me to your post instead that I already refuted. I will say shielding and mobility is a great advantage for CU, though, and puts him above MH. Then again, I've never used any shielded weapon in MH, so I might be wrong. but I don't think so. Other than that, the mobility is essentially the same.
>>284754163
>>284754143
OK, that's just absurd.
From what I recall, the hunter was smaller than Jhen's pupil. How could you even fight something bigger than that? That's 15 times the size of any MonHun map.
That's fucking dumb. What, do you just fight weak points?
>>284754216
What if no one attacks and just circle around each other waiting for the other to attack?
>>284750274
DaS2 has the Bearer of the Curse, or Cursed DaS1 has an infinite invasion timer. He can cozy up beside some enemies and wait all day for the MH to come along and try to get to his target monster, which is blocked off because of a fog gate if not because it's a boss, because of the CU's being there which renders that pathway unpassable.
>>284754113
If we can imply things then what if the CU is invading? No guarantees that there are bonfires in the MH world.
>>284754283
>Uragaan
It's just dinosaur. It wouldn't be able to dent a taurus demon even.
See? I can do that too.
>>284754113
>parry bow's rain
>parry bowgun's cluster shot, crag shot, pellet shot
>parry gunlance's shells
>parry lance's parry
>>284754340
We have a battleship with balistas and dragonators.
>>284754375
MH could just toss shit all day, lay traps, put bombs.
>>284747668
>SnS
>DB
>Lance
>GL
>>284754485
>parry the parry
It's DaS2 all over again!
>>284753840
Chain. Of replies. About DB. Click to the start and you might see how irrelevant this trash-talk is.
>>284754340
Monsters are part of the actual map.
You climb onto them.
>cu is butthole in Portuguese
>>284754552
CU can also toss shit all day. Literary.
>>284754451
>just a dinosaur
>just
See, there's a difference between a slightly overgrown wolf and a moving rock dinosaur that can explode.
>>284753287
He must mean the Jhen or Dah'ren. Their not slugs tho, more like whales. Ceadeus is bigger than than them, but most people forget about him.
what kind of person would mistake a giant snake capable of swallowing mountains without opening his mouth all the way with the sand swimming land whales?
>>284754020
No I understand that, Ive been paying attention. But what it apparently boild down to is:
>a defeat in combat for either is meaningless in the long run
>but also in the long long long run, CU cannot die, to the point that he quests to be removed from his inability to die
>MH is indeed strong and his non-lasting defeat is indeed strong, but nowhere is he explicitly stated to be able to live forever
MH can win every single battle that comes his way for the rest of his life. Once his life ends, CU will still be kicking around, whether or not either of them likes it or not.
>>284754708Meu caralho! Andavas escondido!
>>284754720
MH can literally toss shit.
>Boletarian Dragons
>Storm King
>Armor Spider
>Dragon God
>Asylum Demons
>Hellkite Drake
>Gaping Dragon
>Quelaag
>Kalameet
>Undead Dragons
>Seath
>Sanctuary Guardian
>Ancient Dragon
>Sihn
>Rat Authority
>Aava
Souls has plenty of MonHun tier monsters. And they're usually several tiers below the humanoids.
>>284747286
Well, the CU actually can't die from a lore perspective. He'll just go insane from dying too many times.
MH guy I don't think has that ability
>>284754848
http://darksouls.wikidot.com/dung-pie
>>284754849
>thinking any of those are Monhun tier
>>284754724
>just a wolf
>just
See, there's a different between a slightly overgrown iguana and a giant wolf with a 20 foot sword that can spin like a blender.
>>284749180
Then its a moga hunt
>>284754751
But like what another anon has stated before. There are no guarantees that CU has a bonfire to return to.
If they are going to fight then CU has to invade MH's world. If he dies he goes back home.
>>284754903
http://kiranico.com/item/dung-bomb
Send any one of the Knights of Gwyn into MonHun and they'd have it all tied up before dinner.
>>284754314
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Evidently, I chose a word that isn't as precise as you wish, and my attempts to elaborate aren't getting through.
>>284749469
If dragon is an element then magic and abyss are too
>>284754951
>slightly
Uragaan is at the very least five times bigger and fifty times heavier than Sif.
>>284754903
Dung bombs are one of the MH staple items.
>>284754947
Monsters are just animals, though. Dinosaurs and dragons at best.
The Souls series is about slaughtering primordial evils.
Monster Hunters are the true heros.
They'd probably make gear out of all the shit in DS.
One of the most obnoxious fanbases clashed with one of the other most obnoxious fanbases. Who will win in this all out fantard shitfest?Souls > Dragon's Dogma >>>>>> MonHun
>>284754951
Every monster in MH can spin like a blender without having to use a sword. And it's fucking annoying.
Chosen Undead can chug health (Estus Flask) faster. Monster Hunter takes like 10+ seconds to heal and then raises his hands in the air like a retard when there is a monster charging at him.
CU>MH
>>284755070
You know, it's something oddly symbolic about us linking pages of in game shit to each other.
>>284755162
And yet it can be brought down by some dude whacking it with a rathalos tail.
>>284754903
MH can counter that with deodorant actually.
Also
>getting low on health
>FARCASTER OUT OF BATTLE
WHAT NOW SOULSFAGS.
>>284755197
When they are that size and have such powers they arent just animals anymore.
>>284755272
Actually Monster Hunter can chug everything faster with an armor skill.
>>284755079
>Implying they wouldn't get eated by Dara Amadyura or raviente
Its plainly obvious when someone who only played the other game and shits on the other
The difference between a MonHun dragon and a Souls dragon is that all the creatures in MH are just mindless animals. Like a lion or bear, just wandering around looking for food.
Kalameet is a fully sentient, telekinetic ancient deity.
>>284755364
>And yet it can be brought down by some dude whacking it with a rathalos head
fixed that for you.
>>284755364
Well of course. The hunter is a pretty big deal after all.
>>284755528
Gwyn waged war on an entire race of ancient dragons.
I think Ornstein would be able to handle a few little dinosaurs.
>>284755365
homewa- fuck...
>>284755557
So?
>>284755590
The Hunter in MonHun is probably about Smough tier. Just a guy (though Smough is pretty big), but a pretty big deal for a regular guy.
Someone like Ornstein or Artorias is a much bigger deal, and Chosen Undead manages to overpower all of them.
>>284755557
>mindless animals
I wish...
And yet they could still rip the fuck out of Kalameet and have him for lunch.
>>284755291
not like that's any different than what's been happening in this entire thread, constant flinging of selective in-game shit to one another
>>284755669
Well, he is a dragonslayer.
>>284755557
Many of the elder dragons in MH are likely sentient and have their mystical who-ha like Fatalis and Shagaru. Meanwhile, there are other elder dragons that win in just sheer size like Jhen, Dah'ren, Gogmazios, and of course Dalamaadur
>>284744319
i haven't played monster hunter at all. but from what i've seen the chosen undedead has a WAY wider range of maneuverability and movement speed. in dark souls you move around like a you're on ice skates while in monster hunter characters feel much heavier
>>284755375
They still are, though. They're not some primeval being who gave form to death and can distort reality itself.
I believe the only reason the chosen undead(s) are able to prevail is due to sheer persistence. They're immortal, after all.
>>284755365
>Due to repeated disconnects, you have been barred from online play. Only a Bone of Order can restore the link to other worlds.
>>284755557
I doubt Kalameet can take on Ukanlos, Dara Amadyura or an Alatreon.
>>284755693
Kalameet, or Sif, of whoever would fight like a man. With intelligence and knowledge, with strategy. Like a Hunter by better because it's a big psychic dragon.
A rathalos fights like a hungry bear. It just charges and hopes to get dinner this week.
This is the key difference. The Hunter can overpower the monsters because they're beasts, but Chosen Undead manages to overpower these sentient beings, these intelligent monsters with divine powers.
>>284755504
Seems like the Hunter needs armour skills to counter a lot of CUs shit. How many armour skills can the MH have on at once?
Hunter cannot even look around properly.
>>284756058
Depends entirely on you and lady luck.
>>284756036
Kalameet is a near impossible fight unless you get Gough to shoot him down. And even then he's very challenging to some people. I never had problems, but I also never triggered his Eye of Calamity, so I probably got lucky.
>>284755065
But bonfires are guaranteed. They exist in his world, this is fact. He may have an impossibly long walk or a teleportation to perform each time, but he has never not arrived at his previous bonfire with ONE EXCEPTION, that being Seath's prison, and if the universes ARE that alien after all, there's no reasonable hope that MH has the knowledge to similarly imprison him.
Even if CU has one invasion item ever and gets banished forever back to his homeworld, he would still outlive MH in a parallel world.
I'm as unfulfilled by a technical win as much as the next guy, but in this matchup it simply cant be ignored that the immortality that defines CU's entire story would simply win by time, regardless of all other reasonably asserted factors.
The only loophole is the whole "darksouls time is cyclical" idea in which case they would endlessly fight with no winner for fucking ever. If you dont subscribe to this timeline, then its a TKO.
>>284755828
>The Hunter in MonHun is probably about Smough tier
Probably not.
The Ernie and Bert fight is a lot simpler and easier than most G-Rank dual hunts, especially against stuff like Rajang, Brachydios or Nargacuga.
Hunters arent regular humans.
>>284755669
A single hunter can wage war on the entire monster world, your point?
>not killing 100 Diablos
>>284756327
>Hunters arent regular humans.
They are, though. Anyone can hunt monsters if they have a big enough sword.
Infact, I'd say they're some ways below Smough. Smough has a lot of soul power, evident by his massive size. Hunters are just dudes, lesser than CU because they can't reincarnate.
>>284756409
Humans are inherently weaker than Lords. Gwyn was only beatable because he'd been hollowed. Healthy Gwyn wouldn't even be a fight, it'd be a cutscene of him killing you.
>>284755965
Elder Dragons are Primeval beings with superpowers.
They are not just animals.
Things that can level nations are not just animals.
Oh boy time to Dash Juice counter everything with my lance!
>>284756472
>Fighting Gravious
>Huge ass laser hits me in the face
>Get up and roll to put out fire
>Only about 1/4 of the healthbar is gone
Yes defiantly a normal human.
>>284756586
>implying Hunters are humans
Could CU even hurt a hunter? As soon as you get a proper set of armor small monsters do 2 damage, and that's only because Capcom wanted to at least make them a threat by being able to knock off the red portion of your health. A hunter in G-rank armor would be invincible compared to CU
>>284756586
Hunters aren't human
>>284756472
>They are, though.
Nope. Humans cant use weapons and armor like that.
Humans go splat if they jump off mountains (even the shitty chosen undead does).
Hunters can take more of a punishment than the chosen undead.
HUNTERS DONT DIE IN COMBAT
>>284755996
Farcaster only sends you back to camp, CU could still run over there and kick your ass
>>284756058
Generally, no more than 4 uniquw activated skill with a full set, probably up to 5 with gems and maybe a 6th if you've got a godly +10 charm.
>>284756041
I wouldn't call MH monsters mindless, Zinogre struts arounds and sizes you up like a street punk, Kecha Wacha toys with you before going in for the kill, Rathalos/rathian will instantly enrage if you kill either in the same area as they are or if one of their corpses is visible to them when they appear in an area, as if they are mourning each others death
>>284756770
Gameplay mechanics =/= canon
CU can revive in canon, the hunters just revive because it's a game.
Even if the hunter has a boss health bar, that's never been an issue for CU before.
Kalameet vs Shagaru Magala
Who wins
>>284756637
Sure, but elder dragons don't constitute the majority of the cast.
Besides, a gargantuan beast with ungodly strength to match its size is /still/ just an animal. A dangerous one, but an animal nonetheless.
god you morons don't have an opinion if you shit on the other because you only played the other
kill yourselves
>>284747214
Lolwut
>>284756970
>Gameplay mechanics =/= canon
For MH they are.
Hunters dont die.
It's a battle of attrition.
Hunter will get exhausted eventually, Chosen can go all day. Even if he dies 100 times he'll win the fight.
>>284756975
>shagaru's farts can drive you insane
>spews it literally everywhere when you fight him
>implying kalameet has anything against that
>>284756926
I was still confused when I played 4Us demo and you jump off that huge ass cliff in sunken hollow, 3U had some crazy jumps but goddamn that was onto solid rock.
>>284756975
I put my money on Frenzy ailment. fuck that shit, it was everywhere. didn't help the ground sporadically exploded with it.
>>284756975
Anyone who's fought Shaggy for caravan with LR gear will know.
>>284756472
>They are, though.
Aren't hunters at least part wyverian?
>>284757130
So Hunters are immortal semi-human deity beings?
No, they're people with big swords.
>>284757132
>fill inventory up with mega dash juices
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>>284757236
>So Hunters are immortal semi-human deity beings?
Yes
>>284757063
>but elder dragons don't constitute the majority of the cast.
Neither do the big shots in Dark Souls.
And when they reach ungodly strength and that size they arent just basic animals anymore.
You cant compare a bear to something thats as big as multiple skyscrapers.
They reach deity status at that point.
Does it really matter who wins?
At the end of the day we know which is the better series and which is a Pokemon/CoD tier rehash.
>>284757069
Who would win in a fight, Revolver Ocelot or John Marston?
>>284756970
This really should be an invasion so if either die they go back to their original place. Should be a test of might not who can respawn more.
MH4U is GOTY.
So MH would probably win.
>>284747214
most significant stat gains you can make as CU are a product of upgrading your weapons/armor. For example, even for stat scaling on weapons upgrades are a big deal to make use of the higher strength value.
This is the reason that soul level 1 runs are possible. Upgrades count for the bulk of your performance.
>>284757236
>So Hunters are immortal semi-human deity beings?
Yes.
With big swords.
>>284757205
His normal hits don't hurt that bad, it's the homing explosion that really hurts and the fact that he doesn't often leave enough of an opening sometimes to smack him enough to nullify the frenzy before it turns into a debuff.
>>284757356
An extra big crocodile is still a crocodile.
>Hunter tags the CU with a felvyne bomb.
>CU gets gang-raped by cats.
>>284757481
A crocodile that can swallow some shitty god entities.
>>284756970
What he >>284757130 said, Hunters don't die, they just faint. You never die.
Could Samus be defeated by the hunter?
weeb shit would die, CU wins
>>284757479
What's annoying is his earth shattering attack and his explosions at the front of his face, I used a hammer versus him and goddamn it's frustrating.
>>284757603
>gameplay mechanic
Pokemon faint, so that means every one from Jigglypuff to Weedle are immortal, indestructible god beings.
>>284757624
>nuke planet
>escape
yeah
>>284757574
>CU tags Hunter with Climax
>Hunter dies
>>284757719
No, Pokemon die. Haven't you seen the countless graveyards? God you're so stupid.
>>284757719
Pokemon die. The very first game has a graveyard and people killing them and thats canon.
>>284757764
>moxie
>farcaster out
>block it
>dodge it
WOOOOOW
>>284757215
Descendants of ancient dragon hunters who may have been genetically modified humans/augmented in some way.
Anyone can become a licensed hunter if they can pass muster, it's just that dragon hunter descendants are better at it because that's what their lineage was born to do. Hunters not being killable though is just a game abstraction.
Wyverians are their own thing, although there are subtle hints dropped in other games that they may have been around long enough to have lived and seen the world that existed before the dragon war. Their level of technology (discounting out of the way villages like Cathar) is more advanced than humans.
>>284757925
>roll through it
>evade lance it
>bomb yourself and have it do nothing because of frames
>evade +3
>>284749137
>mfw neither monster hunter or souls are multiplat as of now
>>284744319
MH has a lot more raw power behind his attacks but CU has invincibility frames out the ass while rolling. He could rollstab most anything a Blademaster MH does. He would lose big time to ranged MH as I assume their attacks would stagger the fuck out of him.
I don't understand why people are arguing the immortality of their relative sides. Both the CU and Hunter are effectively immortal.
Shouldn't the winner be decided by whoever KOs/defeats the other first?
>>284744319
They're both immortal, so neither.
>>284757764
>Being a dark magic scrub
>>284758069
So you're saying all I have to do is get a lance and poke?
>>284757925
Exactly. It's easy to say someone will get wrecked if you hit them with X, regardless of how hard it might actually be to do so.
How does one becomes a hunter
>people thinking the guy who kills the strongest monsters would win in a fight
That's irrelevant. We're talking human vs. human. Sure, the MH is stronger and kills bigger, badder dragons. But he's absolutely ass against small nimble targets who can't be hurt while they're rolling. He also staggers from ANY attack. CU would dance all around him just because fighting human-sized enemies is his specialty. Yes, even though he is physically weaker.
>>284752347
>what is dragon god
>what is seath
>what is gaping dragon
>what is kalameet
>what is manus
>>284758234
Pick up something that looks too big for you to be able to hold and hit animals with it.
>>284758279
Raviente can have all of them for breakfast
>>284758279
>Dragon God
Chosen Undead, not Slayer of Demons
>>284758278
>He also staggers from ANY attack
Multiple MH weapons have armor on their attacks.
Many MH weapons are great at wide range attacks that hit fast moving targets. Longsword especially.
Your average online LS user would fuck up any chosen undead by mistake.
>>284758278
SnS could wrek CU easy, maybe even DB if they got a combo on him, even if he blocked it his stamina would be gone and he would die. I love CU and all but he is really fragile in comparison.
>>284757624
Samus shoots nukes and dimensional holes out of her cannon.
>>284758482
Unless he's doing a soul combo, longsword swings will just get rolled through. And hunters have no trackings on their attack, they'll have to reposition and start attacking again.
CU wouldn't stand a chance against most of what a MH fights but he could still wreck the hunters themselves if he knows how to roll.
>>284758234
pass an exam/test proctored by the guild, probably go through weapons training so you are at least basically competent with all the available weapons the guild provides.
I know some side materials like manga go into it more, but that's what I imagine the process to be like to become officially licensed and sanctioned. Guild loves it fucking bureacracy.
A better question is: how huge are the balls on Felyne hunters to even think about becoming a licensed hunter? Things that are already huge to people would be titanic to little kitty people. Their size and speed would probably be an advantage though and bomb cats especially demonstrate brute strength beyond anything a human could muster by chucking bombs clear across the room into monster faces.
>>284757817
>>284757859
So there has never, ever been a hunter fatality in the history of the profession?
Then why aren't there hunters all over the place?
A gameplay mechanic is not canon unless it's explicitly stated to be so. CU being immortal is canon, hunter not dying is not.
>>284758636
>Samus shoots nukes and dimensional holes out of her cannon
She doesnt.
>>284758482
>The triplords would be the champions of DS
They are finally useful.
>>284758580
>Get combo'd
>Toggle out of it
>Cast magic shield
>Infinite stamina while blocking
>>284757624
>pissy little girl in armor
Yeah, nah. I'd like to see Samus try her luck against a Deviljho. She wouldn't last 10 seconds.
>>284758580
I'll grant you SnS, that would probably be the best melee weapon against CU. GS, SA, Hammer, Hunting Horn, basically anything bigger than SnS, wouldn't stand a chance.
>>284758730
A longsword user doing his horizontal sweeps would deplete a chosen undeads stamina really quickly and then its spirit combo time.
Thats the fucking point. You barely gotta aim it and its fast.
>>284758847
>gets patched
>can no longer be used
>>284758856
Anything a MH can dodge, Samus or CU could dodge better.
>>284758860
Hammer drains stamina with attacks.
Also groundpound itself can just
>shockwave
him
Chosen Undead is basically Guts if he were canonically unkillable.
Hunter might kill him, but defeat him? Nah.
>>284758767
it's an epig meemee at this point, the bad LS users get chased out of the game quickly, while the ones willing to put the time in to get better and not trip people end up being some of the more skilled hunters in the game.
LS is monstrous in the right hands, easy sub10 kills in g-rank if you git gud enough.
Immortality aside, CU would obviously win. He has magic, big weapons, fast weapons, and he can switch between them at will. MH is limited to one. CU is also much faster.
It would be a fucking radical fight though.
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