so now that the dust has finally settled, what went wrong?
Dust? Nah, more like a perfect storm.
>>284481245
well meme'd
I predict the major flaw of this game will be the lack of poise. It may be good for the gameplay they seem to be going for, but at the same time it removes an entire build from the game.
I just hope the fashion is as wide as DaS2.
>>284482178
Poise is overrated.
I seriously hope there's at least one reference to Nightmare Creatures. Maybe that giant spider is one, i dunno.
>>284482616
Yea but it lets you swing around slabs of metal with no fucks
>>284481245
>what went wrong?
Your mom was drunk and your dad forgot to use a condom so we have you now.
>>284481245
it's a ps4 exclusive. exclusives are the thing thats killing videogames. how do you expect your game to do well when the majority of the real gamers are playing on PC?
>>284481245
> What went wrong
Not on PC according to /v/
Not out yet according to everyone else
>>284485383
Careful, anon, your bias is showing. What the fuck constitutes a "real" gamer in your mind?
>>284485383
>exclusives are killing games
>PC
>PC doesn't have any exclusives
>exclusives are new
I agree, fuck consoles.
>>284485560
PC does have exclusives.
>>284485383
> exclusives killing games
Some of the greatest games ever are exclusives which evolved gaming
> PC gamers are real gamers
Try buying games instead of pirating then you will get exclusives
Stop crying PC fat
Game isn't even out yet.
I love Souls games and good threads to death but these Bloodborne spectacles lately have been shit.
>>284486165
>he actually thinks pirating is a real issue
>>284486283
Every bloodborne thread since it's announcement has been utter shit. All it is is both console and pc shitposters going at it while people who are genuinely excited for the game are just kind of left to sit there and deal with these faggots derailing their threads. Same shit happens in MGS threads now too.
>>284485526
it's no question that consoles are made for the casual gamer. basically if you only use consoles you are casual and don't even deserve exclusives. PC gamers are forced to buy these consoles if they want to play all the latest games.
>>284486165
>Some of the greatest games ever are exclusives
and that's the problem. I'm forced to buy a console to play these great games when they could have been even greater if they were released on PC. Keep it mind that a lot of these games are also created on PC and then ported and dumbed down to console quality.
>>284486283
>>284486593
the PC vs console debate is important though and more people should be talking about it.
is there a game that has generate more asspain and general trolling on /v/?
you can't have a thread without sonyponies and mustards shitting all over the place
>>284487253
Except it's not.
>>284487253
>implying
console and pc wars are something you expect from YouTube and only teenagers and autistic NEETs think they are important
looks like game of the year to me. I'm buying a ps4 just to play it this friday.
It looks like a good game what's all this kerfuffle on this website regarding it?
>>284487253
>PC vs console debate is important
I came here to to laugh at you.
>>284487997
>>284488002
>>284488310
consoles are a scam solely made for profit, don't you see that? the only exceptions are handhelds and the WiiU because they're made for the child demographic.
>>284488002
This
>>284488369
Yeah ok.
>>284488482
keep paying money for ported trash
What went right?
>>284488369
gee, another PC faggot who can only talk specs cause he's got no fucking games.
>>284481245
PC being children about it, realizing that it being an exclusive is a good thing. Exclusives sell consoles and keep companies alive, which lets them pay those developers who make these exclusives more money for better quality games.
If games weren't exclusive, there would be no point in consoles, which means no one to give developers loadsa money to make these games.
Exclusives are MADE to sell consoles, that's half the point. If you didn't have to buy a ps4 to play Bloodborne, you would never have considered getting PS+ or extra accessories for said console. They want you to buy the console to spend more money with their company.
>>284489368
>keep paying money for things you happen to enjoy but I dont.
Thanks man I'll do just that.
>>284485383
>exclusives are killing videogames
It's literally the other way around you caustic fuck.
Exclusive = people need to own X console to play our game. We must make a game that caters to the tastes of the demographic that owns this console, or make a game of high enough quality to purchase the console. People are more likely to purchase the console ~for~ our game, among others, especially late in the console lifetime, so lasting appeal is incredibly important. Lasting appeal also allows us to keep the price higher for longer, offsetting the smaller playerbase.
Multiplatform = our game is on most (or all) platforms. Our potential consumer base is relatively massive, so pandering to a niche is extremely likely to hurt profit margins. We need to make a product that appeals to as many console owners as possible (lowest common denominator) to maximize profit, so we need to make it attractive and approachable. Due to the size of the potential consumer base we need to advertise as much as possible, which will cut into profits considerably, cutting into the actual game budget will alleviate some cost, but it will still further necessitate the need for a larger consumer base (lowest common denominator). Due to a combination of selling via advertising and selling on most (or all) consoles,most people who want the game buy it early in release, shrinking late term product sales and reducing long term product value. The need for lasting appeal is mostly lost, as sales (and therefor profits) are tied to percieved quality (hype) and not actual quality, so we instead create "exciting" games that sell on pre-release advertising as opposed to gameplay, and avoid demo gameplay in cases where hype cannot be falsely built upon it.
Multiplatform games are literally cancer
>>284489668
>Exclusives are MADE to sell consoles
that's the problem
>>284489739
i want to enjoy them on my superior hardware
>>284490021
>"I want to play Bloodborne on my moms 2009 office netbook masterrace machine in silky smooth 3fps@480p"
>>284490163
of course a console user resorts to ad hominem while I'm being mature. way to keep up the kiddie stereotype
>>284489910
Exclusives HAVE to be good because they are made to sell consoles
If they aren't exclusive there is no reason to make it good, or even finished, just pump it out the door and sell it on hype.
It's why dark souls was disjointed and flawed at times due to rushed and cut content, whereas demon's souls was polished in spite of it. If it wasn't for the broken archstone and boletaria having an extra level, we wouldn't even know they cut content.
>>284490526
>If they aren't exclusive there is no reason to make it good, or even finished, just pump it out the door and sell it on hype.
we need to address this issue and find a change then so we can rid ourselves of consoles because of how they're dragging down the progression and quality of games.
>>284490163
Isnt me but
>>284490336
When I'm ready and able to build a pc I will, and I'll have pc and console. Which is superior to anything else. limiting yourself due to 'muh hardware' is fucking stupid.
>>284490975
that's my whole point though. as a PC gamer I NEED to buy a console to play a game that was most likely created on a PC. It's cancerous and a scam.
>>284490957
One console or only PC would be worse than the multiplatform problem because it would be a monopoly and they wouldn't even have to put any effort into anything.
Why develop past Atari when it's the only thing on the market?
>all the jelly when release finally comes
Wait its out already?
>March 24th
Go fuck yourselves
>>284491430
It's capitalism. It's business, and if you enjoy gaming as a medium as a whole, why wouldn't you work toward having everything so you wouldn't have to worry about that shit in the first place?
>>284489910
No, you're the problem. Either you buy a console and enjoy the game, or you don't.
>>284490526
Exclusives don't have to be good, they can bomb like Ryse did. People voted with their wallets, and eventually they ported it to PC.
>>284490957
>we can rid ourselves of consoles because of how they're dragging down the progression and quality of games.
Just because a game doesn't run at 1080p/60fps doesn't make it a bad game. The Last of Us, when it came out on the ps3, had neither of those BUT still won plenty of awards and was well received. Eventually they made a remastered version, but it wan't necessary to enjoy the game.
>>284491430
who cares just dont play it if you think its such a scam
a few games aint going to kill you
>>284491551
hardware naturally improves with PC, it will always advance. the "effort" sony and microsoft are things like social tablet gaming and porting indie pc games to their systems.
>>284486841
You act like the games are being held ransom on the platform when the reality is that they're often produced and developed by the console manufacturer, and they only have the freedom to do that because of the consoles.
>>284491720
>Exclusives don't have to be good, they can bomb like Ryse did.
What? Ryse is the perfect example of why exclusives have to be good. Nobody said they WILL be good.
Ryse bombing = no reason to buy xbone = xbone bombs
If ryse was actually a great game xbone might be doing considerably better right now.
>>284491720
>The Last of Us won awards it must be good!
give me a break. I can tell you're not from around here. you have the kind of toxic mindset I'm talking about.
>>284492113
the games aren't being held ransom, the real gamers are. some people are so brain washed that they actually think they enjoy buying all the new systems.
>>284489806
Based anon.
>>284481245
>what went wrong?
hit to recover health, sidestep and overall no real change on the AI.
>>284492385
>so brain washed that they actually think they enjoy buying all the new systems.
We are entering the dangerous territories of fake fun
>>284489806
This
>>284492696
YOU'RE NOT REALLY ENJOYING THE GAME IT'S ARTIFICIAL
>>284486841
how is purchasing a piece of hardware specifically designed to only serve the purpose of gaming actually more casual than an all in one machine?
>>284492696
its the same thing as people who rush to buy the new iphone.
I'm not against the games that are exclusives I'm mad that they have to be exclusives.
>>284481245
the fact that i didn't even know the game came out
shitty marketing
>>284492936
Well it's not a perfect world, anon.
>>284492936
isn't being mad at the fact at that they're exclusive mean you're against them
why would you be mad at something you supported or didn't mind
>>284481245
lel
Now that the dust has finally settled, Can we all agree that OP is a dick munching faggot.
>>284492842
you're buying a fixed closed system and get stuck with it for ~8 years. console gamers are a product of good marketing.
>>284492120
I misread your statement.
>>284492385
If you're not going to read my whole post, I'm not going to give you a decent reply. Stop shitposting, go back to playing assfaggots, and cry yourself to sleep tonight because you're such a waste of a human being.
>>284493140
Gladly.
>>284493075
I'm not against Bloodborne as a game, I'm mad that it's potential is limited because of the platform its being released on.
>>284489806
Also of note that the souls games are an oddity in that a what was assumed a "niche" turned out to actually be a popular concept, so the selling points and hype advertising are largely the same as they would be as an exclusive because for whatever reason it's what worked and there's no need to change it.
That being said, comparing DeS and BB to DaS and DaS2 as products it's disturbingly easy to see the polish exclusivity lends to an end product.
>>284493140
I think we can all agree on this, yes.
>>284493272
>I'm mad
So you keep complaining and shitposting? Get a life.
>>284492385
>posting while being so incredibly misinformed about a hobby you purport to care about
Wow you started gaming with LoL right? Less than 21 years old?
Has Sony ever created a game that wasn't "walk forward, hack and slash, repeat"?
>Walk forward
>Press X to hack and slash
>Repeat
>Edgy grim dark atmosphere
It even has the word "blood" in the title.
This is literally the most playstation game ever made.
>>284489806
Dear God, that's so true and so many people don't understand this. Exclusive games can be annoying if you were not planning on getting that console and most exclusive games WILL get released on other consoles and PC later on. But seriously, the attitude of the developers is so different when making games on one platform. I have a high end pc, I play pc games and mostly the pc version is the best version of a game. But literally all my favorite games ever are console games, most of them came out exclusive. Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil, the good Final Fantasy games, Silent Hill, Alan Wake and whatnot. They WOULD objectively be worse if they were trying to make them on many platforms at once. During development, the team should never be split in like three teams for xbox, PS and pc.
>>284491430
Now you know how NeXT people felt in the 90´s
>>284493272
Well, next time you can go provide the several million dollars needed to make the game to From yourself.
The fact of the matter is that Someone needed to finance the game, and sony did it.
>>284481245
Are you from the future OP?
>>284493272
It's potential is INCREASED from being exclusive. It won't be 144fps at 4k but the actual gameplay and end product polish are going to be drastically increased.
You can have your 144fps and 4k in 20 years when the ps4 can be emulated
>>284493394
I guess the better term would be concerned and it's called a discussion, isn't that what this site is about? I haven't shitposted at all. I have a life and videogames are apart of it.
>>284493459
noby noby boy
>>284493686
>I have a life and videogames are apart of it.
I can see, since you only have a PC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiGPTI06fn8
0:40
FUMITO UEDA
>>284493459
Wow, it's almost like they make games catering to a certain demographic...
All games should be unique like snowflakes and caster to everyone's likes, right? How dare they make exclusive games for an exclusive demographic!
>>284493848
I don't only have a PC but I wish I did.
>Game used to be challenging, game used to really challenge your skills, effort and "creativities" back in the days. And overtime more games have become kinder, more easier in giving hand-holding to consumers and that's all great with broaden audience of new players and casual players. But at the same time there are always the consumers who remember the time we spent a lot of time to understand and solve challenging games, overalls times and Bloodborne and the Souls games are really bringing back those memories of you as a game players
>>284482178
have you not realized the customization wont be as varied?
>>284493459
Has Nintendo ever created a game that wasn't "walk left/right, jump, repeat"?
>walk left/right
>press X to jump
>repeat
>colorful candyland atmosphere
Has Microsoft ever created a game that wasn't "walk forward, shoot, repeat"
>Walk forward
>Press RT to shoot
>Repeat
>Brown and bloom atmosphereI can play that game too you know?
>>284493686
Your concern is unwarranted and comes from a lack of experience and knowledge of the subject you're talking about. No offence. The PC a is just another place to play with its own pros and cons, both from a user and developer perspective.
>>284493987
GOTY confirmed
>>284494032
Get a job, or find a better paying one, so you can support the hobby that you enjoy.
>>284493459
catch primates
or control a singing blob that fuses with other blobs
or a rhythm based strategy game
or control generations of animals on a post humanity city
or various products that derive from deep acid trips
>>284493987
Too many cooks spoil the broth
>>284489806
Yep, exactly this
>>284494187
>Microsoft
>1st party games
Microsoft literally (l I t e r a l l y) don't understand the videogame market. They literally killed every IP but halo. They're trying to figure out how exclusive game development works with killer instinct but even then its a fucking f2p game
>>284494350
>>284494227
>>284493987
HYPE TRAIN FULL SPEED AHEAD
>>284489458
Japan
