Why is Sega so unlucky? How much longer do you think they have before going out of business?
''It was not inevitable," Kalinske, now a vice chairman of edutainment company LeapFrog, said of Sega's struggles. "It could have been avoided if they had made the right decisions going back literally 20 years ago. But they seem to have made the wrong decisions for 20 years."
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/former-sega-exec-criticizes-company-s-20-years-of-/1100-6425464/
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/sega-to-axe-300-jobs-as-focus-turns-to-pc-and-mobi/1100-6424996/
So? Everybody already knows this, we don't need a sega ex-employee to tell us that.
Are any of you sort of happy that Sega will be focusing more on PC now? It means Phantasy Start 2 online might be localized now.
I'm totally sure it had something to do with Sonic's arms being blue.
>>284448728
SONICS ARMS ARE NOT BLUE
THEY'RE NOT BLUE
RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>284448728
Nailed it
>>284448728
Wonder if Chris is happy about all these news.
>rejected a Sony-Sega joint console
How hard do you think they're kicking themselves
>>284448125
>edutainment
>>284448125
>Why is Sega so unlucky?
They are not unlucky, they are fucking stupid.
>>284448125
Who the fuck thought it would be a good idea to make sonic's arms blue
sega has also dicking about on PC for 20 years or so
finally time to commit?
>>284448125
they aren't unlucky, they just make shit game after shit game.
>proud Japanese businessmen run their company into the ground
Capcom and Square did the same thing.
>Sega-Sony
>Sega would still be a power house with interesting games and sonybabies wouldn't exist
>>284448948
He thinks he caused it.
Hard to blame 20 years of incompetence on "bad luck".
Dreamcast was bad luck. The rest wasn't,
>>284448125
Had an advantage over the NES with graphics, the SNES came along and they were tied.
Had several expensive hardware add-ons, with terrible games
The Dreamcast cost an arm and a leg at launch. Think Vita had expensive memory? The memory packs were still selling for $40, years after the Dreamcast was discontinued.
Instead of continuing the console wars by siding exclusively with Sony, they licensed out Sonic to Nintendo, which intentionally handled him poorly. Allowed Microsoft to acquire rights to/kill Shenmue. Then created subpar Sony games.
>>284448125
sonic is literally the most abused vidya character ever made
>>284449849
Maybe then we would finally have the Dreamcast 2
In a perfect world this would be their wake up call, and from here on out they promise to shape up and fly right.
But I guess this isn't that world....
>>284450032
>they licensed out Sonic to Nintendo, which intentionally handled him poorly
oh god, shut up
>>284448607
Going the PC/mobile focus would probably be the best for them as things stand now. Although even then, I still have my doubts that PSO2 will ever get a localization. I mean, have they EVER come out with an official statement as to why it's not out yet? The official English website has still been up for like 3 years, they really just seem like they've dropped everything and left it alone.
>>284449075
Not much, Sony is also in a bad spot.
>>284450032
>they licensed out Sonic to Nintendo, which intentionally handled him poorly.
Anon what the fuck are you talking about
>>284450259
NDF pls go
>>284449659
>Capcom
Anon don't remind me, it hurts too much.
Fuck SE though.
This is what happens when you go third party from being first party.
This is why whoever says Nintendo should do like SEGA is a retard.
I feel bad for Sonic fans who weren't alive during the Kalinske era. That was the only time in history where you could be a Sonic fan and people wouldn't think there was something deeply wrong with you.
>>284448125
Who cares what could have happened.
They are shit now, have no talent left, dont work on any worthwhile games anymore and are Sammy's bitch.
>>284450517
Thats what hurt them the most, fucking no one wants to invest in a company that goes from making hardware and software to software only.
Luckily their handheld games ended up great.
>>284450517
>Nintendo should make all they're games on Sony platforms!
I don't understand why people think like that, the demographic of people who enjoy platformer and etc isn't on Playstation consolesAt least not anymore, rip Naughtydog ;_;
>>284450578
Sonic fans in that era were children, and now they're "grown up".
>>284448607
focusing on pc/MOBILE means focusing on shovelware designed to milk consumers IE free to play garbage and indie junk. They are essentially playing the lottery now instead of making good games and being guaranteed a decent profit.
>>284448125
https://www.change.org/p/sega-increase-the-number-of-pc-releases-segapcports
>>284448125
What's up with all those bandages?
>>284448125
making shitty sonic games since 2006 is not "bad luck".
>>284450854
Thats the problem, now that they grew up they want Sonic to as well.
>>284450808
This, Rayman was a massive flop on ps3/4
>>284450517
It was stuff that they did while first party that's still hurting them the most today.
You're forgetting just how badly they fucked up with the genesis add ons and the saturn.
What was the last good Sonic game?
>>284450965
It's supposed to make him look practical.
> Kalinske still thinks that Sega can redeem themselves
Oh boy...
>>284450808
It's more abount fanboys than really wanting to play Nintendo games on "better" hardware.
They would all say: "A-ah, seen that? Now Nintendo makes games for Sony, it's our bitch, you mad Nintendogs? :^)". They don't give a shit about the games themselves.
>>284450578But there is something deeply wrong with me anon
>>284449075
Wait what? So Sony went to Sega first? I remember a story about a Nintendo/Sony deal that went sour so Sony just said fuck it we're do our own console.
>>284450854
They shouldn't be into Sonic anymore then. Treasure your nostalgia for the series and leave the rest to the kiddies it's meant for.
>>284451020
S3&K
>>284450032
Nice lies, Dreamcast launched at $199 in the US. That's pretty cheap for a console launch in 1999. Also Dreamcast VMU cards were $25 at launch, but you could easily grab them in 2001 when it was discontinued for $10 or so new and even less used. Hell even 3rd party cards were cheap during the life of the system.
>>284450979
If they could have ported Sonic'06 to Wii, then they would have had more people to finish the game.
Then again, Sega sammy didn't have to demand from Sonic Team to make a original Wii game and rush 2006.
Who is responsible for all the bad decisions?
>>284451020
Generations
>>284450071
79 games
7 collections
8 cancelled games
The next abused franchise is Mario. with like 49 games 3 collections and 2 canceled games
>>284451256
Sega of Japan.
>>284451020
Generations. I hear Lost World isn't terrible but not good either.
Sega makes good games. You people just dont buy them. See Vanquish and Bayonetta. It really is your fault they are in this bad spot.
>>284451007
And Sega JP hiring someone to actually manipulate Sega US.
>>284451207
06 Wii was turned into secret rings because they knew there was no hope because even if it was finished it would still be a bad sonic game with a terrible plot.
>>284450394
What was the first game Nintendo even personally developed that had Sonic in it, Brawl? Hell, that and Sm4sh are the only games that have Sonic that Nintendo made themselves. If you're talking about the exclusivity contract, Sega shot themselves in the foot with that.
>Lost World was okay I guess, but Sonic Team(?) could have done so much better
>No one cares about the Olympic Games series except for Daisy fanatics
>Sonic Boom was developed by Big Red Button, a shit-tier studio that was given a shit-tier budget
>>284448125
How different would things be if Kalinske stayed with Sega? At least throughout the Saturn? I'm trying to not envision a perfect "what if" world, but he really helped the US branch get themselves on the map, and after he left everything started going to shit again.
Lets list all the retarded choices they have made, shall we?
>Letting the Dreamcast die
>Letting several franchises die by not making new games
>NOT FUCKING MAKING PSO2 IN THE WEST, HOLY FUCK, FUCK YOU.
>Not providing server software for PSU after it was shutdown, you cunts.
Anything else?
>>284451129
Going by what the article says, SEGA (of America) went to Sony. Possibly before/after Sony went to Nintendo but SEGAs board in Japan rejected the plans.
>>284451256
SEGA of Japan's board of faggots. They are generally behind all the retarded decisions SEGA has done for the past 20 years.
>Downsizing results in a man losing his job
>He now has all the answers that could have kept that from happening
What a surprise!
>>284451453
Most of Sega's problems stem from racism against white people.
>>284451493
fuck off Pat
>>284448125
>we could have been winners if we weren't losers!
Oh Sega.
>WOWWW ARE YOU TELLING ME LOCALIZING ONLY SONIC AND MIKU GAMES CAUSES US TO BE POOR?
>HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO KNOW THAT?
>BUGGED LOCALIZATION MECHANICS
>>284451493
> focusing too much on Sonic
Seriously, thats literally all they have. If they kept their other IPs alive, they wouldn't be in so much trouble right now.
It's easy to say "you shouldn't have done this" after it failed
>Leapfrog chairman
>criticizing people for making bad decisions
>>284450032
>The Dreamcast cost an arm and a leg at launch.
>Instead of continuing the console wars by siding exclusively with Sony, they licensed out Sonic to Nintendo, which intentionally handled him poorly.
What the hell are you talking about?
>>284450394
>muh ebul conspiracy
Segautist pls go
>>284451493
>Letting the Dreamcast die
You sound like you didn't know it was a commercial failure in the first place.
Due to Sega pumping out console after console every fucking 2 years they didn't have the funds to make the dream cast good.
Funny enough, if Sega actually decided to do the deal with Microsoft we wouldn't have Xbox and the dreamcast would have had better hardware.
>>284451648
Who?
Tom Kalinske is a smart guy. His tenure at Sega was legendary. He single-handedly turned Sega into a company worth something. And it went quickly south the moment he left.
>>284451573
>anon posts while clearly not knowing what he's talking about yet pretends he does
This guy quit Sega in 1996 you idiot.
>>284451327
Mario isn't abused at all, all his games are varying degrees of good.
Sonic games have swung between "shit" and "this wasn't shit so Sonic must be finally getting back on the right track", which is then immediately followed by shit.
>>284451763
is Leapfrog unsuccessful or something?
>>284451648
>pat
He only cared about PSO. The dreamcast could fuck right off and if PSO still doesn't make it to the west by next year he gets more money from Liam.
>>284451573
He left in 1996
>>284451713
heh
>>284451493
>Shoving development of the 32x on the US with the Saturn only right around the corner.
>Surprise release of the Saturn exclusively at 4 different retailers, thus pissing off other retailers into not carrying Sega product.
>Nobody knows it's out, not selling, devs get pissed too.
>Severe quality control limits many games being localized from Japan (EU got more Saturn games than the US).
>PlayStation sells more units in its first month than Saturn with its 4 month head start.
>>284450965
Sonic tried to kill himself after playing Boom
>>284450289
for fuck sakes. Sony as a company is in a bad spot, but the division responsible for video games is probably the only one turning a profit.
There's a clear difference you fucking mongoloid.
Dear Sega,
I have the solution to all of your troubles.
Stop doing Sonics. Don't spend any more money on Sonic games. People don't like Sonic anymore. Instead, use that money that you were going to spend on Sonic, and instead, spend it on Yakuza. People love Yakuza.
Yours,
Anonymous.
>>284451763
But Leapfrog is like the biggest "Edutainment" brands in the world
>>284451763
You clearly don't know what Leapfrog is.
>>284452134
No, sonic still sells even when the games are abysmal.
They should just make other stuff alongside sanic instead of only sanic.
>>284452137
This. I'm stuck working at Target, and we still order a metric shit-ton of their products.
>>284451493
>Sega CD
>Yuji Naka restricting the use of his game engine for Sonic Extreme
>Shenmue 1 and 2's budget vs profit
>Sonic 06
>Sonic Boom
>letting their other IPs rot
>not adapting to the economic climate during the 7th gen
we could go on all day
>>284452134
If people 'love' Yakuza, then why don't they buy it?
>>284451763
I dont think Leapfrog did anything wrong. My cousins all had some kind of leapfrog thing. Seemed like your rank in file "learning" games...
>>284448125
THE ONLY reason Sega was king in the mid 90s was because of Tom Kalinske, that man made all of the right decisions
when he went to the board of Sega all of the JAPANESE told him he was crazy but the CEO of Sega let him do his plan in America and Europe and guess what? IT WORKED
the Japanese executives got mad that he made them look like idiots and they made it their mission to try and fire or take away all the power from Tom and so they destroyed Sega
fucking Japanese idiots, SEGA was started by Americans and later got into Japanese hands so it was never a jap company to begin with so all of the jap pride made no sense
>>284448125
It's because they made Sonic's arms blue.
If they recall all Sonic Boom merchandise and games, and pull the cartoon off the air so they can fix Sonic's arms, then maybe they won't go out of business.
>>284452134
How to read this as a Sega executive:
Dear Sega,
I have the solution.
doing Sonics. spend any more money on Sonic games. People like Sonic anymore. spend on Sonic
Yours,
Anonymous.
>>284452082
LOL.
Not him but damn calm down you fucking fanboy
>>284451493
Lets not forget the inevitable Sonic movie coming out next year!
>>284452134
Sonic games still sell more than yakuza in general
>>284451763
Except Leapfrog is rolling in cash
>>284452521
Why are Japanese businessmen so spiteful?
>>284452375
This.
Yuji Naka killed the Saturn cause of his Japanese pride.
>>284452521
>jap pride made no sense
>being beaten by a westerner
>not shamefur
It was a blow to their egos
>>284452375
>Shenmue 1 and 2's budget vs profit
I'm glad we got a good product out of it, but these games really put them in the red. Suzuki must have had a lot of pull in the company to not be told "No," especially after coming out of the Saturn.
>VF4 is a huge success in the west
>proceeds to localize 5 with 0 advertising and then only giving the 360 version online support with awful netcode that never got patched
>WOWWWWWWW GUESS NOBODY LIKES VIRTUA FIGHTER
I don't even think they've advertised a single Yakuza game which is probably their biggest seller in Japan and for good reason.
>Anarchy Reigns is getting advertisement and releases in Japan
>Delay the western release when it's 100% translated for 6 months just because they can with 0 advertising
>WOWWWW GUESS NOBODY WANTED IT
>Bayonetta sells 2 million copies with a planned sequel
>cancel it just because
>WOWWWW HOW WAS I SUPPOSE TO KNOW PEOPLE WANTED IT?
>Proceeds to shovel out Sonic for over a decade when every single one of them are awful
>Proceeds to localize the Miku games only because they take 0 effort even though they all sell like hot garbage in the west
>PSO2
>>284452521
read this if you are a SEGA fan, the most depression shit ever
http://www.sega-16.com/2006/07/interview-tom-kalinske/
>>284452613
I can't wait to stream this with /v/
>>284452613
There has already been a sonic movie. And 4 tv shows at least.
>>284451763
Leapfrog could probably buy Sega. Not that that's much of a feat, but still.
>>284452589
Thanks Sonic.
>>284450261
I wouldn't even want it at this point. We'd be perpetually behind the JP servers by at least a year, just like PSU.
If it came out I'd just stick with the pretty much entirely translated JP version with a sizable English population.
>>284452613
this one?
http://www.tssznews.com/2014/11/19/sonic-live-action-film-being-aimed-for-pg-13/
>>284452693
ah so! not only does round eye have biggah penii than us but he smahtah and bettah at bizness too! shamfur dispray!
>>284452521
>the Japanese executives got mad that he made them look like idiots and they made it their mission to try and fire or take away all the power from Tom and so they destroyed Sega
This is true ?
>>284452683
A fucking gaijin was telling them how to do business, SEGA home console division wasnt doing well in Japan back then, they were even losing against NEC.
>>284452761
>>Bayonetta sells 2 million copies with a planned sequel
>>cancel it just because
This. People who are butthurt over Bayonetta 2 being a Wii U exclusive need to realize it's really due to Sega not staying on board as the publisher.
>>284452521
Sega was technically made in Hawaii during 1940.
It was moved to tokyo in 1951, where they changed the name to SEGA
Its about as american as Nintendo...
>>284452769
lol Japanese said
They said they didn’t like anything I had told them and disagreed with all of it, 100%. They didn’t agree that we should advertise against Nintendo, staff up the U.S. to develop software, reduce the price of the hardware, or put our best title in with the hardware, and I can’t remember all the other stuff they didn’t agree with. Basically, they didn’t agree with any of it, and I thought that well, this was the shortest career anyone ever had! That’s it, three months, and I have to go find another job. But at the door, as he was walking out, Nakayama turned and said “but we hired you to make all the decisions for the United States and Europe, and so, that’s what we want you to do, even though we think you’re crazy and don’t agree with it, go ahead and do it.”
>>284452967
Yes, it is. There are books written about it, in fact.
>>284451020
generations by far, was the 1st step in the right direction and they just ..didn't build on it.
>>284452761
The only reason Miku even did well is because of how hardcore vocaloid fans are, and how popular Miku is on the internet thanks to EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE catching on so hard all those years ago, it's not like they advertised that game either, so that selling well was just dumb luck.
Funfact, all SEGA arcades out in Japan tend to kick you out if you're foreign.
>>284448532
Apparently Sega does since they keep making terrible, terrible decisions.
Can Sonic outlive the current shitty execs of SoJ until they get better ones?
>>284452857
That's true. Sega also hasn't handled the servers for the PSO series in the US very well in the past, either. If anyone really wants to play it, they really just need to get the JP version and the English patch and enjoy that instead of holding out for a version that we may not ever get, and even if it does, it'll be so far behind in content as you said.
>>284452967
go to the link and read the interview
>>284452769
>>284451924
There's plenty of shitty games bearing Mario's name as well, but you are right, Sonic series is like a dumpster - you might find something decent in there, but in the end it's still full ofblue arms
>>284453065
>>284452769
I'm not even surprised.
Japanese exec in general has a reputation for being really stupid.
Watch Fear and Trembling.
>>284453219
Sonic as a character will outlive Sega.
>>284453130
No, but some arcades in Japan have sections only for girls, usually photo booths and that kind of stuff.
>>284453125
I'm pretty sure the only few that sold well are the PS3 ones that got localized. But I mean it's kinda obvious since most people would pirate on PSP and nobody owns a Vita.
>>284453130
really??? why?
>>284448125
But Sega makes a lot of money fromPC games. It's one of their more profitable areas.
>>284451380
This. Fuck you v/,
>>284452775
>>284452895
One of the writers did a Sonic game marathon to get knowledge of Sonic himself. He also claimed to have watched Satam and AoSTH as a kid.
>>284453125
They're relatively easy localizations, and the resources that go into it are worth it for the niche but dedicated fan base. Hell they didn't even translate any of the songs for the first PDF game.
>>284453514
Dunno. My friend wasn't allowed in an arcade when I was just because he's indian and i'm asian. We also passed by another SEGA arcade that had a sign in all caps saying "NO AMERICANS ALLOWED"
>>284448125
Being retarded ≠ unlucky.
Is Sega of Japan run by old men who dont know anything video games?
>>284453603
I'm still mad they didn't include translated lyrics. It's not like that's even hard to add, and you can just get them off google for free.
>>284451129
I think Sony and Sega tried to work out a deal on a joint console after the Sony/Nintendo partnership went to shit. There's a pretty good book about Sega during the Kalinske years called Console Wars that goes into detail about it.
>>284448607
even if PSO2 does come out over here, it'll be years behind and missing a chunk of content because of licensing reasons
>>284453638
This is true. It's actually more common in mom and pop stores than arcades. There are tons of shops that won't let non-Japanese customers in and have large signs on the door saying so.
>>284453130
I've been to Club Sega in Akihabara several times and nobody ever gave me any shit.
>>284453730
All Japanese video game companies are. Heck, even Yamauchi didn't know shit about video games. He was just intelligent as fuck.
>>284453638
Anon, I've been to many Club Sega arcades in Japan and no one said anything to me, no signs either.
>>284453783
Actually, they'll let you in if you speak japanese, it's the same for Soaplands, Pink Saloons and different types of brothels in general. The ones that will let you in without asking anything have probably korean or chinese girls.
>>284451380
And then there's shit like Sonic Boom.
Plus its their own fault that Bayo 2 sold like ass.
"We want a 3D version of the original Genesis games, no more drama."
>They give us Sonic Heroes, their first of many "assembly-line" titles after the drop out from the console race
"Okay, juggling all of these characters fucking sucks and why the fuck is Shadow alive?"
>They give us Shadow The Hedgehog which is 90% fanfiction literally taken from the internet based off of different fan theories why Shadow is alive, the multiple endings even reflecting the most popular theories
"Okay fuck this cheap ass shit, give us a game that's as decent as the Adventure games again, they were at least palatable."
>Sega forces 2006 to be rushed out the door before it's even 2/3s done, literally didn't even have time to bug test anything, just because of Microsoft's demands
"OKAY, HOW ABOUT YOU GIVE US A GAME THAT'S JUST SONIC. HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP?"
>Sonic Unleashed, padded to hell in back with coin collecting and awful Werehog gameplay just so the game wouldn't be 1.5 hours long
>So hell bent on making the game ONLY Sonic that they literally only made the Werehog up so you'd still be playing as "Sonic" despite the different gameplay
"We'll take ANYTHING. Unleashed was half there, just drop the Werehog!"
>Sonic Colors is actually decent
"Yes, more!"
>Sonic Generations comes out
"Oh goodness, this is actually somewhat playable, you guys are on the right track, just keep going...!"
>Lost World
>Then LOL Sonic Boom
"Bye."
>>284453446
damn yeah Japan is all upside down, back in the day their way of doing business worked but today because of globalization and competition their retarded boss respect model is obsolete
in the west when a lower employee does something amazing the bosses congratulate them
in Japan if a low employee does the same the boss will scold him for making him look bad even though it helped the company
shit makes no sense
>>284448871
I actually think Sonics arms look better Blue
>>284453130
I spent most of my time in the sega arcades in Akihabara and didn't hear jack shit from any of them. The whole place is one big tourist spot so there's no reason they wouldn't want foreigners to hang out there.
>>284454134
Bayo 2 sold okay. Last I saw it was at 630k at full price, which is better than Bayo1 did prior to being dumped into the bargain bin.
>>284454134
>Plus its their own fault that Bayo 2 sold like ass.
Yeah where regularly whichever third party would promote their game in conjunction with Sony/MS/Nintendo.
SEGA basically did jack and just left it to Platinum and Nintendo. It's worse than when Square needed Nintendo to publish and market Dragon Quest IX in the west for them.
>>284451763
This guy has a pretty good record. I think he did really well in the toy industry in the 70s or 80s. He helped make Mattel relevant again, if I'm not mistaken. He was also head of Sega of America during Sega's peak years. And I still see Leapfrog shit everywhere.
>>284452375
>Sega CD
>Bad
This is what dumb casuals who never actually experienced the system and just parrot everything they heard from shitty websites believe.
>>284454321
at least Sonic had games
>>284450032
>they licensed out Sonic to Nintendo, which intentionally handled him poorly
Seriously, anon? Seriously.
>>284454608
He helped create He-Man. He done good at Mattel, I think.
>>284454321
Lost World isn't as bad as people say it is in all honesty, even the 3DS version was somewhat okay. Outside of the special stages that is.
Sonic the problem is that the games are just too god damn inconsistent. Sonic 1-4 where tight enough games that you obviously knew that they were a sonic games. Adventure games came out and while not as tight they at least felt like they related to each other. Then the went to hero's and couldn't for the life of them just sick with something consistent after that. Its hard to keep a fanbase when each game is so fundamentally different and hops around consoles.
>>284454321
Meanwhile, in the handheld department;
>Advance games were god-tier, even with Sonic Advance 2 being a pit hell it's better than a lot of shit
>Sonic Rush is okay, most people just like it due to the music and Blaze
>Sonic Rush Adventure is a bit better but is received not as well, people getting tired of how crappy the Rush gameplay actually is
>Sonic Colors DS is pretty awful all around, people united in wanting DIMPS gone since they can't produce Advance-quality games any more
>Sonic Generations 3DS was abysmal, people yelling at Sega to get rid of DIMPS
>Sonic Lot World, still DIMPS, horrendous level designs half the time and flat and empty levels you just run straight through the other half
>Sega finally drops DIMPS
>For some company that makes the Sonic Boom 3DS game, which is just a generic piece of shit title you'd expect for Activision licensed titles
>>284453783
They don't mean it in the "no niggers" sense, they mean "i don't speak your language".
>>284454640
>Sega CD
>not a retarded decisionas implied
nigga, can you count with more than one hand how many people you knew who had a Sega CD growing up?
>>284454640
Sega CD had some really solid titles. I wish Sega had given it more support, maybe just skipping the 32x and focusing on the Genesis and one attachment until the Saturn.
>>284454321
Lost world was good.
>>284453710
They were unlucky to have retards run SOJ
>>284454889
>Sonic Rush is okay, most people just like it due to the music and Blaze
>Sonic Rush Adventure is a bit better but is received not as well, people getting tired of how crappy the Rush gameplay actually is
>Sonic Colors DS is pretty awful all around, people united in wanting DIMPS gone since they can't produce Advance-quality games any more
What the fuck are you smoking?
>>284453592
>He also claimed to have watched Satam and AoSTH as a kid.
I take this as a bad sign. Those cartoons inspired some Dobson-esque weirdos.
Sega CD was a bad decision because it was another console that splintered off focus from the Genesis, which is all they should have been concentrating on.
Having said that, I had a Sega CD when I was growing up and loved it to death. Still have it hooked up, in fact.
>>284455110
What if I told you that he never watched X and kinda liked the Boom show?
>>284448871
>>284451020
None of 3D Sonic games are any good. Adventure games are terrible and Colors/Generation are soulless rail boosters. The day that ANY 3D Sonic game released is even HALF as good as the worst 3D Mario will be a heart-stopping miracle. Anyway, to answer your question 3&K.
>>284455039
>>284454938
Sega CD was actually made to compete with the PC Engine CD, it was rushed, the hardware design is a mess (it requires some specific interruptions in order to access Genesis hardware). It succeeded where the PC Engine CD failed, conquering America, but the PC Engine CD was the lead CD console in those years.
>>284454331
That sounds like Mexico too...
>>284454889
>>Sonic Generations 3DS was abysmal
It wasn't abysmal as much as it was boring.
Modern was just basic Rush gameplay.
Classic was pretty much copypaste genesis levels and your basic 2D side scroller based on other Sonic stages.
>>284454108
>japanese whores
>require spending time/effort to learn the language to fuck
>chink/koean whores
>lol anybody will do
jap whores for most dignified whores
>>284455431
No, Sonic Generations 3DS was abysmal and the modern levels sucked too. Go look up gameplay of radical highway. Bullshit enemy spawns, shit platforming, the game was horrendous
>>284455369
Do you copy your opinions straight from /vr/ or something?
>>284450289
>Current CEO Kaz Hirai’s days are numbered, those insiders are whispering.
http://nypost.com/2015/02/19/cfo-yoshida-rumored-to-take-the-reigns-at-sony-corp/
Saying Sony is in a bad spot is an understatement.
>>284455413
I can remember magazines slamming the Sega CD because at the time there was a big push for FMV games like Night Trap, most which were pretty bad. But the games that were actual games like Sonic and Lunar were pretty good.
>>284455574
Nah, it was a mid tier game.
Extremely easy but not really bad of course I wouldn't expect someone that hasn't played the game to know that.
>>284451380
>Buy Sonic Generations d1
>I loved it
>"Maybe they are finally doing decent choices?"
>Sonic Boom release
>It's completely shit and flopped very hard, didn't even reached half of Sonic Generations sales numbers
>Lost hope on Sega again
And then Sega left good games like Binary Domains, Vanquish, Yakuza, Anarchy Reigns, Valkyria Chronicles because they don't know how to markerting games that isn't Sonic.
Only Sega Europe/UK had create some kind of hope thanks to the partial fix of Dreamcast Collection and Valkyria Chronicles's port on PC (which is pretty good)
It's Sega Japan that have to die in a fucking fire.
>Yakuza 0 have a 64-bit PC port to create the best experience but they will not release it because they don't want profit on Yakuza on other platforms
Jesus chirst.
>>284451020
sonic R for the saturn
>>284454938
I knew plenty of people who owned a Sega CD growing up. Granted they were older kids who were in middle/high school that didn't need their parents to buy everything for them, but still.
>>284454889
Worst part is
>Sanzaru Games made the 3DS Sonic Boom
They made Sly Cooper 4 which was prettygood.
>>284449075
>tfw loved my ps2 and the sonic games I had with as a kid
>tfw something like that would have made me the happiest person in the world
>>284455790COME ON NOW RACE
>>284448125
Honestly can't wait for Console Wars movie. Book was great. Sega was on the right path and then went to utter shit after stumbling a few times.
>>284455109
You loved the Rush titles, didn't you
>>284448125
>Why is Sega so unlucky?
I wouldnt say unlucky; they have had a reputation of making risky or bad decisions.
>>284455636
damn so he is finally done for, took long enough
>>284455817
weird. i was "that kid" that had the only Sega CD in my school. it wasn't even mine, either, it was my uncle's
>>284455431
>Classic was pretty much copypaste genesis levels
Only for the first three levels.
The rest were fucking awful, grid-styled levels where you were constantly boxed in. Emerald Coast and Radical Highway being the worst for that shit. It's like DIMPS shat their diapers the moment they had to think of something they couldn't just copy and paste from.
>>284455580
I think Sonic CD is a bad game, so, no.
>>284455680
Yes, but even taking out the FMV games there are a couple of games that were really rushed and full of problems. Silpheed for example looks great, but one reading problem while you are playing and you have to start over the game...
>>284455901
Sega is currently going through that fall where you pick up speed in order to regain balance but you know you're going to fall on your face anyway, and your hands are fumbling in your pockets because you know what's coming.
>>284450289
Really ?
I though the PS4 was selling tons ?
>>284453130
That's some bad b8 m8. Went to several arcades in Tokyo back in spring and no one even looks at you weird.
>>284456139
And they still haven't recovered from the PS3 and Vita.
>>284453746
If I remember right it wasn't just because they're cheap it's also because they were afraid that the translated lyrics to a couple of the songs would bump the age rating up. I think the offending songs were Eh? Ah, Sou (Hm? Ah, Yes) and Sweet Devil.
>>284453130
Maybe if you are a walking American stereotype (a fat neckbeard with glasses).
>Kalinske went on to say that one of the main reasons he quit Sega in 1996 was because the board rejected his idea for a Sega-Sony collaborative game console. As part of this arrangement, which was first revealed in 2006, Sega and Sony would have shared the development costs (and initial losses) of the system, but benefit from software sales.
Holy shit, this would have been awesome.
>>284448125
Daily reminder Sega had a downloadable Streets of Rage game that was 80% done and they canned it.
I can only imagine how many franchise revivals from pic related were canned in favor of yet another Sonic game to keep them on lifesupport.
RIP Comix Zone, Phantasy Star, Ristar and Jet Set. You were too good for this world.
>no more virtualON
>ever
T-Thanks sega of japan
>>284456345
Yeah, if it worked out we would totally not have Xbone but some kind of Dreamcast megaconsole or some shit how awesome would that be?
>>284454379
The old arms always looked like Sonic was kind of wearing a sleeveless fursuit.
>>284448871
>RREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I don't get this.
>>284456479
>Sir, we're sittign on dozens of established IP, lets make use of them and rake in money!
>No, tell the sweatshop to whip out another sonic
Fuck sega
>all those shitty sonic games
>all those great unlocalized sega games
SEGA is so fucking stupid, it hurts.
>>284448125
just from reading that headline I knew it was going to be tom kalinkse
and hes fucking right too
fuck sega of japan
>>284456608
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYKPdNvH800
>>284456613
Are they scared of not getting any money out of those IPs or something? I would totally kill for a new Jet Set Radio game.
>>284456139
>I though the PS4 was selling tons ?
They didn't make much from it. Huge advertising costs for all those TV spots and sponsorships, Sony paid for exclusive rights to pay to advertise Watch_Dogs and Destiny and they only get a cut off those sales. Their 1st party titles not being anywhere close to the top sellers on the system.
It has a high amount of sales but Sony have been spending far far more to get the sales that they have with PS4 than for example Nintendo did with the Wii which sold millions more in the same time frame(and a large proportion of sales were 1st party software which doesn't have to be split with a publisher).
>>284455716
I beat it, and then wondered why I wasted my time. Emerald Coast was a shitty stage, radical highway was awful
They ripped this off and didn't even get it right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxXycBv3Rlk
That video is the only thing SEGA needs to do with Sonic and they just fucking won't.
>>284456242
It's mostly because the whole company mostly makes the majority of it's profits from non-game related hardware, eg phones etc. They are completely fairling to sell that kind of stuff these days, and are actualy losing more money than their gameing hardware/software makes.
My relationship with Sega is like a domestic abusive relationship
>>284452603
It just blows my mind how people can say utter bullshit without doing any research. It's common fucking sense.
>>284456479
>tfw Nintendo saved Bayonetta
can they save some other sega ips too?
>>284448125
what does /v/ think would happen if sega suddenly released a new console?
>>284448125
Isn't Tom Kalinske responsible for the motherload of bad decisions?
Inb4 muh Sega of Japan.
>>284456008
Other execs at Sony are getting rid of him because he wants to destroy Sony as an electronics company to focus on a highly cyclical gaming business (look at the Vita vs PSP or PS4 dropping rapidly YOY). They are smart to get rid of him ASAP.
The sad part is that Sonic isn't inherently bad. His concept is solid and fun, and most of all, CAN be good. Its just that the people handling him are worse than fucking Hitler who just want to drive him to the ground with no regard for his life, while the other Sega IPs are forced to sit in their jail cells and watch.
>>284456769
...oh wow. That is not the sound I expect frogs to make.
It must be how they're being squeezed, right?
>>284456479
Sakura Taisen case is really painful... it was one of their most successful IP's in Japan, they even had a real cafe in Ikebukuro that ran for 10 years between 1998 and 2008.
>>284457042
>Isn't Tom Kalinske responsible for the motherload of bad decisions?
No. Just all the good ones.
>>284452134
Kids love the shit out of Sonic. That's probably the only secure card they have by this point.
>>284451924
You clearly haven't played all the mario games
>>284448607
PSO2 is already done, the SEA release was the engrish version
sega cant afford to release it because their budget got fucked for the west because of aliens colonial marines and sonic lost world
boom probably did not help
that said sega is currently in a lawsuit with gearbox because they used most of the funds for borderlands 2, if they win gearbox may go under and sega might release some games people want
>>284457034
It would be dead on arrival. No retailer would stock it.
>>284456792
Scared would be the right word. They've got a lot of franchises but Sonic is easily the most popular of them all, and the most likely to sell based entirely on name recognition alone.
Some fans may kill for a new Jet Set Radio or Ristar or whatever but kids don't recognize that shit. Sega's in such a hole that they don't want to risk making a game that won't get the maximum possible profits. At the same time Sonic's fluctuating quality and general bad reputation is also putting them in a tight spot and having no back up plans is incredibly dangerous.
Basically Sega's fucked and they're too stupid to fix anything.
No shit bad decisions is what put companies in trouble and good decisions are the good ones to take. Wow that's totally an expert talk there. The problem is that you actually don't know most of that when you actually take those.
>>284457258
>gearbox may go under
b-but muh homeland
>>284456769
>tfw no frog torturing qt gf
SEGA Europe is successful with Total War, Football Manager, 4k and recently the Valkyria Chronicles PC port.
Only SEGA of America is dumbfuck retarded. But so is Microsoft. Guess americans have a lack of business sense.
>>284456608
It's an autism scream
>>284457470
>look at this froggy's death
>every time I do it makes me leff
>>284457258
>they win gearbox may go under
It would be the most awesome thing ever, but we didn't got any news about it for a least a year.
>>284457527
>Sega of America
You should add Sega of Japan too, they had to approve the Sonic Boom design/game/cartoon
>>284456769
HELLO MY LADY
>>284452521
>Guy comes and fixes their shit.
>Most likely resulting in a wicked raise for all the high-ups.
>They fuck him over anyway.
>>284457260
I wouldnt buy it.
Since 2013 I've made three console purchases: PS4, PSvita, and a 3DS. I dont need a fourth right now
>>284457118
and they just stopped making games>?>? or sales went down so they stopped
>>284457670
>Imagining how wet she must have become
>>284456769
Fucking great
>>284456613
>implying any of those IPs would sell nowadays
The reason why SEGA lost was retarded management AND petting on the success of arcade games on their consoles.
Sony knew that you can only be successful if you get a new audience into videogames. And they made that by turning consoles in CS/DVD/BD players.
Just three years ago we had Sonic & All Stars Racing Transformed, Shinobi was a gem in the 3DS' infantile library, Jet Set Radio HD was out with people clamoring for a JSRF remake, a promising new Total War game was just on the horizon, and Generations was released with Sonic riding a two game streak out of the Sonic Cycle.
Where did it all go so wrong /v/?
>>284448125
When I hear Tom Kalinske I instantly think of 32X and getting btfo by Donkey Kong Country.
>>284448125
It's not bad luck if they just won't stop making idiotic decisions. And what's the deal with them not being able to toss out a 3D sonic game that doesn't play like shit, have bad voice acting, or isn't plagued by glitches? Ever since 3D sonic games have been a thing, they have always had two or more of these problems, every single one, and SEGA has never fixed them.
>>284457258
But what if Sega loses and Gearbox counter sues and win?
>>284456872
>not
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0hNGlt_Zb4
>>284457997
>petting
*betting
>>284456521
>>284456769
what the fuck man
>>284458006
>thinking Sonic Racing was a sign of good things to come at all and not just some fluke
>>284458091
gearbox took several million dollars for sega which was all part of a contract and used it for their own game
they are in fucking trouble
what if bungie took all the microsoft money, shit out a cheap broken game and used all the funds to make a new oni or some shit?
oy vey indeed
>>284448125
>Sega
jesus christ, have you seen the Alone in the Dark game that's been recently announced? Like a month or two back? It looked like shit that could've been 'trendy' back in 2008.
Jesus Christ, the company is so shit it's painful.
>>284458006
you know that a year before THQ went under they made like a billion in revenue and then they fucked up and died
that is how business is, only one fuck up and you are dead
