What is Squaresoft's best game?
FFX
>>284244051
Kingdom Hearts
Secret of Mana
FFIX
>>284244051
FFIX
>>284244051
FF8
Chrono Trigger and Einhander.
Legend of Mana
>>284244051
Chrono Trigger, Seiken Densetsu 3, and FFVI in their respectable IPs.
>>284244051
Squaresoft: Chrono Trigger easily
SquareEnix: Dragon Quest VIII
>tfw it takes Yuji Horii and Akira Toriyama to make a top tier game
FFVII
1. Vagrant Story
2. Tactics Ogre LuCT
3. Final Fantasy VII
4. Final Fantasy XII
5. Parasite Eve
Top 5 for me
>>284244219
I want to think you said Chrono Cross and Einhander instead
>>284244051
Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy IX, Xenogears, Musashiden. Well, every game except Final Fantasy X.
![Brave_Fencer_Musashi_ntsc-[cdcovers_cc]-front.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/oSoAMRI.jpg "Brave_Fencer_Musashi_ntsc-[cdcovers_cc]-front.jpg")
>>284244051
Chrono Cross.
FF game? 8
Chrono Trigger, FF6, or FF7
Take your pick
>>284244562
>>284244610
oh baby YES! how could I forget?
>>284244556
>cross over trigger
why
>>284244146
>beat together fanservice with a ridiculous convoluted shitty story and average combat
Nah
>>284244496
>Square Soft
>Final Fantasy XII
>>284244556
I liked Cross, but there are other games I'd put above it, but Trigger is always #1 when I think Square.
>>284244762
epic
Parasite Eve.
Vagrant Story
>>284244704
Trigger may have a better plot but Cross was definitely an experience. Both are good mind you, I'm not saying one trumps the other in quality.
>>284244051
Chrono Trigger, VI, VII, IX. Well they're my favorites at least. There's plenty other great games they made before becoming shit.
>>284244808
> most of FFXII wasnt made under Squaresoft before Enix fucked the company
It counts dammit
Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy Tactics, Xenogears from an alternate dimension where the game is actually finished.
>>284244930
>>284244815
>>284244704
IMO, cross took everything from Trigger and did moreand orbetter
Parasite Eve.
>There was a time when seeing that logo in the box or at the start of a game was an unofficial seal of quality
>At the very worst the game was decent
What happened?
>>284244930
>Both are good
>>284245113
Squeenix happened.
>>284244930
I liked the world of Cross and some of the characters. But god damn that combat was atrocious
>>284244930
>Both are good
Except Cross was shit.
>>284244051
Xenogears.
>>284245113
FFVII happened.
Every game save for IX has been irredeemable garbage, and Squaresoft became the victims of their own successes.
People are still unable to understand how Chrono Cross was Chrono Chross, not Chrono Trigger 2.
>>284245113
>What happened?
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
>>284245397
Ok edgelord.
>>284245113
Square burned their money banks on Spirits Within. Enix had a chance to take over and did. They fucked the company. The end.
>>284245357
And now that particular team is with Nintendo.
>>284245036
>Enix fucked the companyWhat if I told you that I genuinely believe the games got much better once it became Square Enix and that most SE games overtake soft by a longshot
>>284245113
It still is
>>284245397
No one buys this IX scapegoat shitposting anymore, anon
>>284245357
First time I've seen the un-edited version. Guess I should play Xenogears.
Final Fantasy Tactics.
>>284245618
I would say at best you just want to watch the world burn. At worst you have the most shit taste imaginable. And I would hardly even call that subjective.
But to each his own.
>>284245842
Correct
Super Mario RPG
I think I love this game more than Secret of Mana.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3qCF9FWtgY
cri evry tiem
>>284245618
shitposting taken to its logical conclusion
>>284245571
>edgelord
If you want to go back to your prancy faggoty characters from FFX and onward, be my guest. Homosexuality isn't a crime, anon; but don't expect to be respected while you're busy sucking Nomura's cock.
>>284245842
Wow, a Nomura designed character who isn't overdesigned as all fuck.
>>284245397
This guy literally has no clue what he's talking about.
It has nothing to do with FFVII and everything to do with financial threats due to TSW tanking at box office, the merger with Enix, the decision to only focus on core IP for safe spending, and the departure of their best talent because of that.
>>284245869
>>284246123
>KH series post 1
>Valkyrie Profile 2
>Star Ocean: Till the End of Time
>FFXII, XIII, and XIV, Revenant Wings, Tactics A2, Dissidia, and Type 0
>The World Ends With You
>Bravely Default
>Drakengard 3
okay
>>284245207
Squaresoft was killing most of its IPs and doubling down on Final Fantasy before the merger. Its the main reason the merger had to happen.
Then after the merger, they put even more money into developing even bigger FF games while ignoring all their other IPs. None of this is the fault of Enix. If anything, the constant profit from Dragon Quest has kept the combined company alive, while many FF games under performed. One Dragon Quest spin off can sell 1.5 million copies in Japan alone. While most spin off FF games struggle to sell 350,000 copies worldwide.
Final Fantasy is a slowly dying brand that will never reach its success on the Playstation. That's what killed Squaresoft and will eventually kill SquareEnix. I just hope Enix finds a way to survive when Square kills itself on Final Fantasy XVI.
>>284245397
>FF7 happened
>a game widely lauded to be one of the best RPGs ever made happened
You can have whatever opinion you like on this. 7 isnt my personal favourite either but you are completely fucking retarded to try and imply that it isnt at least high tier.
The "downfall" if there has even been one, was with XIII
>>284246194
VIII came out before TSW.
Try again.
>>284246314
The bait is too low quality for a proud fish like me here, I am taking my leave
>>284246320
>Final Fantasy is a slowly dying brand that will never reach its success on the Playstation.
You say this, but XIII sold by the fucking boatload. As will XV
>>284246403
retard
>>284246398
He's not exactly wrong, though. VII was the pinnacle of Squaresoft, and they really had nowhere else to go, but down.
Reading comprehension.
>>284246448
Its not bait but fine. You don't have to like the same games as I. I just think its unfair to consider them genuinely bad.
SMRPG.
>>284246572
>gets btfo
>w-well your a retard!
Lol.
>>284246314
Somehow I forgot Nier
>>284246314
> all that took 10 years
> thinking XIII is good
> thinking XII was developed under Enix and not just slapped with the label after the merger
Okay indeed. Squaresoft produced higher quality content at a MUCH higher volume in 5 years. A lot of what you listed is widely viewed as mediocre or even shit.
>>284244878
>>284245692
One more for Vagrant.
>>284246747
I wasn't that guy, your just retarded
>>284246403
Perhaps I cant comprehend your intellect here. But what is your point?
You know, Final Fantasy Seven hasn't really aged that well nowadays.
>>284246314
>>284246762
Drakengard and Nier were published by SE, not developed. And I'm pretty sure Star Ocean wasn't developed by SE either.
Chrono Trigger for me
>>284246530
>You say this, but XIII sold by the fucking boatload.
It sold less than FFVII, VIII or X. And units sold is not the same as profit. Especially since more than 1/3 the copies of FFXIII were at bargain bin prices.
>As will XV
We will see. But I forsee it won't even match the sales of FFXIII. After its wasted 9 years of hype and jumped to consoles with even smaller install bases. Its also not getting the 4+ years of consistent marketing and hype like FFXIII did before its launch. The only people who know or care about FFXV is hardcore FF fans. Which is nowhere near 6 million people.
>>284246995
Mechanically, the game is fine. It just needs a facelift.
>>284246995
> seven
> not 7
> not VII
Ive never seen this before. Ever. In 20 years of the name being thrown around.
Not complaining, just wanted to note how strange you are.
>>284246189
And he hated her design
>>284246817
>A lot of what you listed is widely viewed as mediocre or even shit
I know. I disagree with most of the views towards those games, especially XIII, but to each their own I guess.
>>284247035
Oops. Nevermind on those then.
What about Dragon Quest VIII and IX?
>>284244556
EINHANDER 2 WHEN
>>284245618
I think XIII wasn't as bad as people say (it's still far from good though) and I'm cautiously looking forward to XV but you're straight up wrong. My first FF was XII so it's not like i have any nostalgia for Squaresoft either.
>>284247272
She could have really used a belt around her forehead and maybe some zippers on her arms.
>>284247232
It has NOT been 20 years since FF7 came out, but yeah, >>284246995 is a fucking sick freak
Why aren't you playing FF XIV? Graphically its the best looking Final Fantasy game out.
There is also an expansion about to hit that looks like it will be bigger than TBC for WoW.
>>284247363
>My first FF was XII
Same here actually. I don't think its fair to think XIII was anywhere close to bad though. At absolute worst I can see it as mediocre, but not bad. Not with that combat, characters, visuals, or music.
>>284245774
>hit ctrl+f
>search tactics.
>find it like 70th post in thread
dafuq is wrong with you people
probably chrono trigger
>>284247346
Shmups are dead. Yeah, it's painful but it's the truth.
Super Mario RPG is up there.
>>284247318
>>284247363
>>284247534
A FFXIII defender. What's your age, kid?
>>284247458
Thats why I said in the time of the name being thrown around and not since release. But yeah.
>>284247191
Keep telling yourself that buddy.
FFXV will be the highest selling FF game since FF7.
You wanna know how? All my normalfag friends who've never even heard of final fantasy or never played it want to get XV because it's no longer turn based and it looks very pretty and has driving.
This time, both FF fans and Normals are going to buy this game. That's literally who they're marketing this game for, "A final fantasy based on reality".
Also the game is only 60% done, once it gets to 80% the marketing will pick up like crazy, don't you worry.
>>284247201
>Mechanically, the game is fine.
Not really. Tons of stuff could be improved in the combat and ESPECIALLY the AP rates for Materia. As well as dumb things to get certain Materia.
Its a heavily story based game with tons of optional grinding. All that 'optional' stuff could have been balanced better. But hey, its a Final Fantasy game. They never do that right.
>>284247680
>9 years
>60% done
enjoy that late 2017 release
>>284247680
FF XV is going to be big because it looks like FF7 and FF7 was the game that made everyone rock hard for FF in the first place with its modern fantasy setting.
>>284247547
> not tactics ogre
Whats wrong with you?
>>284247436
Probably, but it seems that Square was hitting him with a ruler since they wanted a simple design
I don't dislike Nomura's design, but dammit, he's the Toriyama of belts
>>284244556
I have no recollection of this part of the game.
>>284247680
>FFXV will be the highest selling FF game since FF7.
>Keep telling yourself that buddy.
Literally responded to yourself there Wada.
>>284247825
Its going to be bigger than jesus.
>>284247825
>Still thinking development started 9 years ago
>>284247668
>what's your age kid18 as of about 10 months agoI'm sorry
>>284247831
> it looks like FF7
i-it does?
>>284247952
If what you say is true, then how long have they been trying to breath life into this Frankenstein's monster?
>>284247831
First of all, it doesn't look anything like FFVII.
Second of all, this constant assurance a game will sell just because it has a certain style is exactly why Final Fantasy keeps failing so hard as a series.
>>284247831
Come on, FF was a thing since FFIV
>>284248072
The concept was made in 2006 but they started developing it in 2011.
>>284248008
Thematically it is the same as FF7 and FF8 the most popular FFs of all time.
Actually its something new in away its the melding of that setting with the crystal fantasy setting.
I never touched a Final Fantasy after IX. Did I miss out much?
>>284247668
33 parrot-chan
>>284248105
>First of all, it doesn't look anything like FFVII.
Post dismissed if you can't even understand what someone is saying. Don't post.
>>284248274
You could've either enjoyed or hated X or XII depending on your tasted
>>284248008
Yeah if you were stuck with a party of 4 faggots with very little in terms of party customization, only able to control a single character and none of the whimsical characters.
>>284248129
Yeah it was but it didn't become hollywood huge till FF7 i remember reading about it being made before it was released it was literally the first AAA game.
>>284247318
Dragon Quest was probably them since it used to be a Enix property
>>284244051
Tactics Ogre : LUCT
it's the only correct
answer
>>284248358
Posts are also dismissed when they make absolutely no counter points while trying to counter someone's opinion.
>>284244337
Objective truth here go home everyone else.
>>284248279
Oh, I think I found your picture
>>284248429
>people who use" whimsy " as an argument
Literally bronie faggots that need to put a cork in.
FF6
Chrono Trigger
FFT
Einhander
The Bouncer
>>284248538
FF7 is a modern fantasy so is FF XV if you are too thick to understand that you should reconsider posting on the internet.
>>284248274
Maybe X and probably XII. Other then that no.
But I really fucking love XII. Im glad Matsuno had a chance to work his magic in the end. Even if the higher ups fucked him in the ass near the end and tried to contort it into modern FF. Too scared it wouldnt sell. Even though Matsuno shits platinum 40/40 hits every morning.
>le ff13 is bad maymay kiddies
You have to be 18 to post here babbys.
>>284247998
you're okay, kid, but I don't for the life of me understand what you see in FF13
Xenogears
>>284248627
You're not getting a Cid Highwind, you're not getting a Barret, you're not getting a Tifa, you're not getting a Yuffie, you're not getting a Rufus, you're not getting any Turks, you're not getting a flower girl. You're getting 4 faggots in a car, enjoy.
>>284248527
ding ding ding
>>284247668
19, and I don't even think XIII was good, just not the spawn of Satan like most people say it is.
>>284248274
X was ok I think it was the last offering from the guy who directed 7 and 8.
I haven't really touched the series after X. XII was set in that unfamiliar crystal universe setting that gets reused now instead of them making a fresh universe.
Though FF XIV is really good I think that is in the same continuum.
>>284248503
Dragon Quest is still an Enix property. I think his point was all DQ games have been made by outside parties. The only games actually made by SquareEnix proper have been DQMonsters: Battle Road and Dragon Quest X. Both headed by the current lead on Final Fantasy XIV funny enough.
>>284248848
And yet you cant explain how its good.
>>284248849
There's a lot of things, but I guess what I like most about it is its combat and lack of random encounters. I like the fact that how many enemies an attack will make or whether or not an attack hits or misses or if you accidentally hurt your teammates depends upon the timing of attacks. I thought it was cool that everyone runs around on the battlefield all the time.
I'm also very fond of Sazh and Vanille, and about the only character I find myself hating is Hope.
>>284248926
None of that shit is "whimisical" you degenerate brony.
>>284248723
By your logic, FFVIII is the exact same as FFVII. Since they were both 'modern fantasy'.
But few people will ever agree with this absolutely stupid view.
>>284249079
And you can't explain how it isn't
>inb4 parroted hallways lightning a bitch etc copy pasted adinfinitum
>>284249149
Are you still posting? stop. You're wrong deal with it. Autism-cancer.
>>284249149
>But few people will ever agree with this absolutely stupid view.
Are you actually saying few people will agree FFVII, FFVIII and FFXV are all modern fantasy settings?
I came here to laugh at you.
> no one over the age of 21 appreciates XIII
Sounds about right. I can kind of understand. I loved Dragonball Z as a kid. But going back and watching it in my late 20s I want to smack my younger self and educate him on why thats wrong.
>>284249418
>there are actually people so young on here that they get nostalgia for XIII
>>284249418
>>284248279
I like it just fine, my first was FF1, I've played the entire series and the only objectively bad games are 2 and 8.
>>284249121
I couldn't get past
>the lack of towns
>level caps
>no armor/weapon variety
>tons of cutscenes
>l'cie, fal'cie
>unlikable characters
I kept playing it, waiting for it to get better, and when it finally did, it was too little, too late. The story is so bad. It's really bad. And they throw around these lore terms as if you already knew them, never really explaining shit.
Are they ever going to revive Final Fantasy Tactics?
>>284249369
>>284249258
Nice job deflecting, but it won't work. You originally claimed FFXV looked just like FFVII. But that's idiotic. You tried to defend this by claiming they're both 'modern fantasy'. Which I never claimed otherwise. I named another modern fantasy (FFVIII) to point out that two gamers in the same genre don't look the same.
FFVII is dystopian fantasy. FFVIII is the opposite of this. FFXV is nothing like either one, taking far more influence from actual modern day settings and designs. FFXV looks closer to Type-0 or TWEWY than FFVII.
>>284244051
Einhander
>>284249645
I got up to chapter 11 and looking back I hardly remember a damn thing about the game.
>>284249702
FFTactics Advance
FF Tactics Advance 2
FFXII
FFTactics remake...
What more do you want? If you just want more stuff like FFTactics, go play Tactics Ogre.
>>284249645
>And they throw around these lore terms as if you already knew them, never really explaining shit.
Its not a good thing that they did this but if you read the main menu becomes easier to follow.
>>284244051
FFX ,choke on your shit opinions /v/
>>284249715
>disputes the setting
>gets called out
>backtracks "i didn't say that at all!"
The life cycle of the autistic retard.
>>284244762
But itsfun
>>284249838
>Its not a good thing that they did this but if you read the main menu becomes (A LITTLE BIT) easier to follow.
>>284247858
It's a secret part of the first level you access when you get all 3 bonus marks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3YKsb-Lr6s#t=3m58s
Well, to be fair -watching- DBZ is doing it wrong
and speaking of FFVIII, the whole GF thing felt like torture
>>284249918
>claims two games look exactly the same
>starts greentexting and deflecting when proven wrong
>>284250146
meant to reply
>>284249418
>>284244051
Almost anything made by their "German" team. Einhander and Vagrant Story mainly.
>>284249150
The battle system is clunky and dull. Theres no real design choices gameplay wise with your character. You follow one way paths to grow. Theres no skill setup or party configuration so to speak. 2 of the character play themselves which further compounds the issue.
The environments are incredibly boring with no real sense of wonder or exploration until Pulse, but even then youre stuck in and endless expanse doing hunts if you want any form of variety from the game.
It moves incredibly slow and the characters drone on and on going in circles with the conflicts in their minds. Their interactions are one note to say the least with no complex emotions or personality outside their one characteristic.
To make the dialogue and interaction worse the setting is is convoluted as fuck and you have to search through a sub menu of encyclopedia entries to ever know what anyone is talking about because the game does a shit job of introducing concepts and ideas about the world. It fails at world building and story telling on every level.
Its was supposed to capitalize on the fan service of a female Cloud. Thinking thats what makes a good game people will love. Disregarding all form of story telling and the way you construe one to the audience.
The game is pure trash on nearly every level with dull gameplay, dull characters, and an uninspired and poorly planned setting. Fuck your hallways and lightning points. We could sit here all day talking about why this is a terrible game and not even touch the obvious.
>>284249150
Linear corridors for most of it, no town exploring, unrelatable cast, story completely fails to make you sympathize with the heroes plight and you are never given a reason to care for anyone on Cocoon, the few sidequests that are there are given by inanimate objects. Game relegates most things to an in-game wikipedia.
Character growth is linear, boss fights have timers to attempt to hide the fact that the battle system is heavily flawed, battles aren't random anymore but they might as well be with how enemy placement is handled leading to an insane amount of inescapable battles.
Want me to go on? Well here's the pro's:
Music's ok and the voices are sorta ok (Sazh).
>>284244051
FF6
>>284248848
>Likes FFXIII
>>284249150
see my complaints here
>>284249645
>>284248848
the game plays itself and it's a fucking hallway, the characters are plain and boring and the upgrade system is simplistic and overall unapealling
if that's hard to understand you should stick playing it instead of trying to argue about it or play better things
>>284250331
I wanted to stand up and applaud this post. Tell me more about how much you hated FF13. I hated it too, but you've got your finger on it.
>>284246015
this.
in retrospect, they weren't that great of a developer.
>>284250794
Definitely. Way better put than my post.
>>284250485
>>284250794
Not him, but here's this.
>>284249645
>The story is so bad.
If this was a reason to dislike a FF game, we'd have to ignore every FF game.
I also laugh when people claim its too linear and 'hallway simulator'. Its not like the past FF games gave you much freedom. Even a game like FFVI and VIII which had lots of places to go and an 'overworld', most places were empty until you hit a certain story trigger.
Final Fantasy is the one series I can think of where more linearity and focus on story could actually improve it. Problem is, the story is always so bad you want to find something else to redeem the game. And few games ever have anything else...
Vagrant Story hands fucking down
Forever my fav game
>>284249912
I hope that your transition out of the closet is a painless one, anon.
>>284250331
With everything bad FFXIII did, you have to admit at least one thing. It had amazing music. How can such a bad game have such a good OST? Its Ragnarok Online 2 all over again.
>>284251003
>If this was a reason to dislike a FF game, we'd have to ignore every FF game.
not really, IV, VI and XII have decent story
>>284251053
>>284251075
get a room
>>284251003
>Its not like the past FF games gave you much freedom.
The problem with XIII is that it gives you none at all for most of the game.
>>284251214
>IV
>everyone dies, but not really: The Game
>decent
>>284251214
>not really, IV, VI and XII have decent story
FFIV and XII have some of the most ridiculous and plot hole stories in the series. I mean, you go to the fucking moon and fight a guy controlling another guy who's controlling another guy.... And FFXII isn't even a complete game.
>>284251003
>Every FF game has a shitty story and is linear as fuck
That's a little hyperbolic, don't you think? I mean, the story to FF7-10 really wasn't that bad.
At least Final Fantasy games with an overworld let you explore, and had secrets, and had towns. Towns are important in an RPG. They let you just relax and hang out. You need a break from all that action sometimes.
>Final Fantasy is the one series I can think of where more linearity and focus on story could actually improve it.
You sound like you want movie games
Believe me man, I tried to like Final Fantasy 13. I really wanted to like it. I was hyped as fuck since 2006. It was just about the biggest gaming disappointment for me ever. My feels get in the way, I guess.
>>284251186
>good music
the music was the thing that stopped me buying it. It literally had some generic mulatto pop singer in it.
>>284251186
I said nearly every level if for nothing else but the music. I will give it that. Not my favorite score. But it was quality.
>>284250794
Thanks. And I would if I wasnt posting all this on my phone at work. Hence the grammatical errors.
>>284251550
>not really, IV, VI and XII have decent story
Psst. Final Fantasy has been point and click movie games since FFVII. Don't tell anyone okay?
>>284251003
IX gave me the freedom to fight endgame enemies halfway through disc 1. VII gave me the freedom to backtrack back to the first area at pretty much any point of of the story on the first disc and also gave me 2 optional characters.
VIII is shit but at least it let's me break the game and run around challenging idiots to card games.
I could go on. Also, likable characters make a huge difference. Now try and claim that XIII has likable characters besides Danny Glover with an afro.
>>284251829
>Final Fantasy has been point and click movie games since FFX
fix'd
>>284251830
>IX gave me the freedom to fight endgame enemies halfway through disc 1
Um what? The entire disc 1 of 9 was on rails. It was the longest opening of a final fantasy ever at the time. The game literally did not open up till you popped in the second disc.
>>284251830
If they released an FFVIII sequel with no combat or important stories. Just Squall and gang travelling around the world becoming Triple Triad masters. I would buy a copy, and one for all my friends.
>>284251550
>That's a little hyperbolic, don't you think? I mean, the story to FF7-10 really wasn't that bad.
Depends entirely on your opinion. Everyone seems to have a different opinion when it comes to Final Fantasy. For example, I think the story in FFVII and X is full of tons of inconsistencies and plot holes. FFVIII on the other hand has the best story of the series to me.
But I can still acknowledge that even FFVIII has a handful of really bad plot holes centered around forced plot twists. That's the problem. Even at its best, a Final Fantasy game is trying way too hard to be different and blow your mind. And usually it ends up having the opposite effect.
>>284244051
Final Fantasy
>>284252115
Okay then, compare FF8's story to FF13 and tell me FF13 isn't utter shit with it's l'cie garbage.
>>284251830
Being able to go back to previous areas is not really open ended gameplay. You can do that in many linear games as well.
FFVIII is a better example because it actually did attempt more customization options. As well as having to get the majority of spells and GFs from exploring the world. They weren't just automatically given to you in a cutscene like in FFIV or X.
I still need to play some of the earlier FFs. Just picked up IX. Played 3,4,6, and 10 from square soft days even though 10 got later printed with Square Enix brand. Also got Secret of Mana on my plate so cant judge that yet.
My favorite of what I've played so far has been SMRPG.
>>284252097
Grand dragons with limit glove and the thunder ring, try it sometime.
You could spend time digging up chocographs, upgrade to light blue, backtrack through Gizamaluke's grotto, dig up more chocographs and get the oak staff on disc 1. You could go back to Lindblum plateau with Quina and learn limit glove to be able to beat lvl 65 Grand Dragons.
>>284244051
If you are including Square Enix in the Squaresoft Brand, the best game they have is NieR. If not, Secret of Mana.
>>284252325
I don't disagree. My original point was that every FF game has really bad plot twists and dumb holes in it. Its more of an argument of which FF plot does it less and is therefore less stupid.
In my opinion, FFVI and VIII did it the least, with the major stupid plot holes happening only in 2 key areas. But they still did it.
>>284252451
SMRPG is a hard one to beat. If you didn't play the PSX FF's in their prime, chances are, you won't like them as much as something like SMRPG
>>284252576
Actually, a lot of people dislike SMRPG because of the graphical barrier. It did quazi 3D and is very frustrating to people use to newer Mario games. But I guess the same can be said for FFVII.
>>284252487
Mah nigga
>>284252473
Quina is also completely optional on disc 1.
>>284252524
Well unlike you, I don't keep a mental encyclopedia of every piece of dialogue in the game so these plot holes you're talking about have never affected my enjoyment of the Final Fantasy games.
Initially I said FF13 had a shitty story, to which you replied, they're all shitty. I guess they are somewhat childish stories, but I'm standing firm in my opinion that FF13 is shit on a whole 'nother level.
>>284252376
>They weren't just automatically given to you in a cutscene like in FFIV or X.
This is why I was legitimately disappointed in Aeons in FFX. Felt like there should be 3-4x as many of them considering how many were in FFVII and VIII. At least give us a new game + option with more of them to unlock.
>>284252838
>Well unlike you, I don't keep a mental encyclopedia of every piece of dialogue in the game
Sorry for being autistic. I can't turn it off.
>>284244051
>What is Squaresoft's best game?
Final Fantasy VII.
>What is the best game in all of History?
Final Fantasy VII.
>>284253036
>Implying either of those guys are the Leading Man
>>284244051
Chrono TriggerWhich is also the best game ever made
>>284253273
>guaranteedreplies.jpg
>>284253273
This is why people hate FF7 fans. Thanks for the shitty reputation, friend.
>>284252838
Its not even just how shit the story is. Its how bad of a job they did presenting it and introducing the world to you. Most of the game you have no idda what youre doing and unless you consult the in game references and read up on things the game never tells you, chances are you wont even know what or why youre fighting at the end or what the fuck you even just experienced.
Even if you take the time out to learn from the encyclopedia it still sounds ridiculous. They try to take simple things and make them complex. But it feels forced and unnatural. The story never progresses in an engaging or smooth way. Earlier Final Fantasy games, plot holes or story quality aside, never had a problem crafting a believable world and introducing it to you in a compelling fashion.
XIII could have skated by on good gameplay even if the story was shit. But it has none.
It's a pretty shit taste opinion, but I fucking love Star Ocean Til the End of Time
Ignore the ridiculous plot, the clichey and awful cast, the fact it's barely sci-fi for most of the game for some reason, and you get this really great action RPG with a ton going for it.
Great crafting system, weapon upgrading system, tons of room for min-maxing, a post-game that can beat your ass if your not good, gameplay that heavily rewards skill, a great equipment system, and a generally comfy and lovable game.
I get the hate for it, I totally do, but in my opinion it's one of my favorite video games ever made, and among Square's finest.
>>284253351
>>284253367
It's my opinion though.
>>284253621
yeah but that's a square-enix game and enix originally created the Star Ocean series...
>>284254450
Yeah, after I typed this up, I realized it was a thread about Squaresoft, oh well.
Still an extremely unappreciated and hated game that in it's core is one of the best JRPG experiences.
Squaresoft: SaGa Frontier
SquareEnix: Romancing SaGa
>>284254615
>SquareEnix putting tons of SaGa, Seiken Densetsu and Chrono songs in a Final Fantasy rhythm game
>still ignore those series
>still won't localize Dragon Quest to the west despite free money
This company is really fucked up.
>>284254836
Square Enix wants huge numbers for everything. If a game doesn't push into the 7 digit range easily, they don't think it's good enough to even try.
DQIX probably wouldn't have been localized if Nintendo didn't step it. The company really has some shitty suits running the top. "Why try something new or revive a good niche fan-appreciated series (like Chrono, for example) when we can just shit out another Final Fantasy? Remember to buy Type-0 and 15, kids!"
>>284254836
We need to find a way to kill all the shareholders and do the same to Capcom while we're at it.
>>284255156
Its sad that we have to hope for a major failure for Final Fantasy Type 0 and FFXV just to hope it wakes up the management. And even then, they're more likely to put even MORE money into FFXVI than ever think to localize non FF games.
The issue doesn't seem to be money even. It seems to be some pride thing where they want to keep Final Fantasy the highest selling IP in the west. By keeping all other IPs from not getting localized...
>>284255424
It's funny, because I haven't purchased a single FF since XII. And I don't plan on purchasing more.
The secret project that Taro Yoko is working on has more interest from me than any FF.
>>284244441
This
>>284255424
>Its sad that we have to hope for a major failure for Final Fantasy Type 0 and FFXV just to hope it wakes up the management.
Is it strange that I want this to happen despite looking forward to FFXV?
FFXV IS FOR CUCKS
>>284244441
>>284255703
You are blatantly wrong. Perhaps that's the best Square game you guys have ever played, but it's pretty much shit overall. Even knowing what to expect from it, I still found the game rather dull.
It's average. Just because it is the first average 3D RPG with an overblown budget doesn't mean its not average.
>>284255718
I just wish that they would put any focus onto other games. NieR had a better story than most FFs, and it had better gameplay than any of the FFXIII's
>>284255718
Tyoe-0 is probably not going to sell very well, but in the end it's just a fucking PSP game. I doubt a lot of money went into the project, it's on-par or less than the recent remasters they've been shitting out for their Eidos-side.
XV it's just not gonna happen. Too much buzz, too much coverage, too many true honest to goodness FF fans. XIII and it's sequels might have put them off, but now that something new without Lightning is coming out, they're gonna give it another shot.
Plus with the very stylish graphics and impressive world, I bet a portion of normies will bite too.
>>284255156
>Dragon Quest games sell between 400k-1.5 Million copies in the west
>claim they are a failure
>A port of Chrono Trigger on the DS sells 700k copies in the west
>claims it is a failure
>Final Fantasy spin offs like Theathrythm and Bravely Default sell around 500k copies in the west
>claim a massive success and immediately make sequels
I don't even know what's going on anymore.
>>284256141
I'm not touching XV with a rake until it's out and I have confirmation on whether it's worth playing or not.
I'm never going to let Squeenix fool me again.
>>284256310
>I don't even know what's going on anymore.
I don't even think SE knows at this point.
>>284256335
Thank god they're releasing Episode Duscae and another demo after that.
>>284256141
I have no interest in type 0. If it was that good in the first place, they would have released it in 2011.
As for XV, I guess I have a passing interest in that, but I'm waiting until the game is below 20 bucks. I mean, I'm not starving for games on my PS3, and waiting to pick up the PS4 will only benefit me in the long run.
>>284256310
You got me, man. To port DQ to the west, all you would need is a team of translators and a team of coders to put said translation in game. Change the menu's into English, get a localization team to westernize Japanese jokes, etc.
DQ7 might be a fucklong game with a million lines of text, but that PALES in comparison to fucking coding anything. It's straight up stupidity, and the expectations they have for any localizations at all are ludicrous at best. THEY'D STILL MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS, but I guess it's not good enough.
>>284256141
I don't think FFXV is going to do as well as people keep claiming. Its way past its initial hype period (by about 9 years) and isn't getting the years of marketing like FFXIII got. Plus, its already been in development so long, its having jump to new platforms. Which it probably would have sold even better on PS3.
Everything is looking to be a rather lackluster set of events that will make the general market overlook it. While major FF fans will obsess over it. But most main series FF games sell the majority of their copies to the general public, not hardcore FF fans.
Basically, it seems like FFXII all over again. A massively hyped game that loses its steam before release. Then gets less than expected sales and reviews.
>>284256335
It not a new game man. I got it preordered because JP loved it even enough to make a HD remaster. I trust them when it comes to FF more than anywhere else honestly. Theres even fan translations and fans have said its great. I've never played it but I've looked up enough gameplay and read enough of what fans think for better or worse. You'll be doing yourself a favor by judging the content yourself to see if its for you than relying on metacritic scores.
>Ctrl+F Front Mission
>No results
Plebeians. The fucking lot of you.
>>284256737
That's the main point. SquareEnix may pay for a localization. But a company like 8-4 or Plus Alpha would be doing the actual work. Not actual SquareEnix employees (except maybe a couple overseers). So its not like they're losing anything from trying. Even if the game only sold 250k copies, its more money going into their pocket.
It gets even more stupid when you realize Nintendo has offered to cover the localization and distribution. Further removing any costs.
I've never completed Chrono Trigger or Cross. Am I missing anything?
>>284256794
Actually, that's one of the reasons I have absolutely no interest in it. It was promised to be on the PS3 before the PS3 even launched.
At this point, I plain don't give a shit. It's been 8 or 9 years since I first heard about it, and it's kind of like Kingdom Hearts 3: Took too long, no longer give a shit.
Not to mention they haven't had a good FF since X, which was like 14 years ago.
>>284256794
Hey, I'm not disagreeing with you. But in the end, XIII still got 2 sequels that both pushed some good units, even if LR didn't sell very well at all. Re-use the assets, throw in a lame plot, and you got a new FF game. They more than broke even.
The FF gravy train is gonna keep running. I'm calling it right the fuck now, unless XV BOMBS, like less than 500K units somehow (it's not going to happen), it's gonna get sequels. Bomb, all money made plus millions, onto FFXVI.
>>284257269
No.
>>284257269
Yes, a great rpg. Cross is a decent ps1 rpg I guess that shits on the characters you loved from Trigger.
>>284257269
If you eventually decide to pick them up, play Cross than Triggers. It heavily removes the expectation that the games are similar at all, and the original feeling of wanting a sequel of Trigger.
Cross isn't a perfect game, but it's painted as horrid simply because it's in Trigger's shadow.
If nothing else, download the OST of Cross if you never play those games ever.
>>284257269
A pair of great RPGs with inter connected plotlines and godly music. Could have been one of the best RPG series ever if Square kept going with it. Just like how Konami killed Suikoden.
>>284252576
Probably true. So far FF6 is my favorite of those I've played. I never played any until I was older though and I played SMRPG probably when I was 8 or 9 with my best friend. Lots of nostalgia there. Saw it came up on a list of games that have aged poorly and didnt agree with it. The chief complaint was the battle system never changes or advances in the entire game. Never really realized it until it was brought to my attention. Still dont have a problem though probably because of the nostalgia.
>>284257634
play Cross then Trigger*
>>284257346
They will probably sell that many copies just in Japan alone. Remember, they loved XIII.
>>284257412
Its more like the characters from Chrono Trigger give Serge a bunch of shit for no reason. Then at the end of the game explain everything.
Its well established that Chrono Cross was unfinished. Much like Xenogears.
>>284246059
To bad mana series are dead and dying.
>>284257346
While Square denies it, many people think FFXIII got two sequels to make up the amount of money they expected FFXIII to get alone. Wada nd other shareholders are on record for claiming it would surpass the sales for FFVII (over 9 million). Obviously FFXIII itself sold 6.5 million. But with both sequels, it reached that goal of over 9 million.
FFXV will probaby get the same treatment. Release lower than expected, then endless sequels to pad out the sales. But remember, FFXV was originally suppose to be a spin off of FFXIII in the first place so...
>>284257781
They just released a new Mana game.
F2P on Vita, android, and iOS. Japan only.
Last acceptable Mana game was Legend of Mana, back for the PS1. Still wasn't as good as Secret. Square's problem is that they let the series go to shit, and the fact that they never produced very many SoM games for the west, to begin with. Back in 2008, Secret of Mana still cost 60 bucks on ebay, cartridge only.
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>>284257272
>It was promised to be on the PS3 before the PS3 even launched.
This fucking company. What is it with them cryptically announcing shit like that mobile port of TWEWY? At least they admitted they announced this too early.
>>284257781
>tfw played Dawn of Mana and it was shit
>tfw played Children of Mana and it was shit too
>never even bothered trying Heroes of Mana since it probably sucks too
WHAT HAPPENED
FF11
Game is fucking magical and holds a dear place for everyone who really got into it. Fantastic atmosphere, emphasis on teamplay, amazing music, great job system, fair difficulty, also holds the title of being squares most profitable game to date.
I can't praise FF11 enough
>>284258043
I actually enjoyed sword of mana, is there something wrong with me?
Maybe it was because it was my only game together with pokemon emerald for a while.
>>284258043
>$60
What the fuck? i have seen some for $20 in mexico.
>>284258087
>Holy shit, after making this post I decided to look up gameplay. Is this...is this a fucking RTS?
SQUAREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>284258068
The only reason it never released on the PS3 is because FFXIV bombed hard, and they pulled the workers off XV to make A Realm Reborn (which I still have no fucking interest in playing).
Versus XIII was supposed to be released in early 2008. That was the release date, according to the pamphlet they were handing out at Wal-mart a week before the PS3 launched.
They are more than 7 years behind schedule, and expect me to forget the promise that they about it being a PS3 exclusive.
>>284258227
It was 60 bucks back in 2008 because it hadn't been released on the Wii's Virtual Console yet. Once it released on VC for 7 bucks, prices plummeted.
