There's been a lot of drama on /v/ these past few weeks. Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate.
What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
I wouldn't be against more female protagonists in games.
>>263120628
wut?
We already DO accept them
Just
stop
shoving
them
in
our
face
while saying: LOOOK, GRIIILLL, YOU PLAY A GRRIIIIILLLLLLL~~!!!!
>>263120628
I actually already do. It doesn't feel right playing the types of male protagonists most games have, like Assassin's Creed or whatever. The only one that I was OK with these last few years was Batman. But seriously, that's Batman.
But then that should be expected from an industry that targets straight teenagers. The games with female protagonists aren't any better.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
nothing
as long as they're hot, there's no problem
Nobody is against more female characters or protagonists in video games, as long as they make sense in the setting they are portrayed in. Shoehorning in random characters of any type is obnoxious when they just don't fit.
Post the comic.
>>263120890
this holy shit.
I'd lvoe to se more women in games, but not when its too the point of putting them in a galss case saying WOW LOOK AT THIS SHINY WOMAN YOU GET TO PLAY, ARENT YOU GLAD ITS NOT A WHITE MAN?
I dont fucking care, i just wanna PLAY THE GAME
>>263120628
Nobody dislikes that, they dislike it being forced for no reason other than to pander, thereby distracting from a game's contents. Everyone's fine with female protagonists, they just don't like black/latino/middle eastern/indian/filipino transgender characters being forced in just to be there as a token representation. That's more bigoted than anything else.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
More female protagonists in video games.
>>263121007
>as long as they're hot, there's no problem
>NOT SEXIST, THOUGH :^)
This is the problem with /v/. "Female protagonist" translates into "slutty eye candy" here. That's why you get so many people claiming to be for female protagonists here.
Nothing? I'd accept a super special snowflake unicorn princess protagonist if it made sense and the game's good, and most of us probably have our list of favorite protagonists that happen to have women who are strong too.
>>263121121
>Shoehorning in random characters of any type is obnoxious when they just don't fit.
So what would you say about a Call of Duty game starring a female soldier? Would that be obnoxious?
>>263121580
Yes, because there are no females in elite military groups.
>>263121373
>/v/ is a hivemind
>at least 3 posts in this thread saying they dont give a shit
>focusing on the negative one
I'm sorry, what?
Why is the new generation of humans so retarded
>hurr muh polygon has gender
Cant you faggots just fuck off already? I hope that video games will collapse soon together with the current retarded muh feelings society.
>>263121709
That's bullshit, and you know it. It's 2014. There's tons of women in the military.
This is what I mean by /v/ only accepting female protagonists conditionally. "Oh, playable women is fine, as long as they stick to games like Cooking Mama!"
>>263121580
>>263121709
There are European women stationed in Afghanistan, but that wouldn't make a very interesting game.
>>263120628
I don't give a fuck. I really don't. Metroid was done well. You didn't know you were a female, and frankly you might not have given a shit when it was revealed that it was that way.
>>263120628
I've got nothing against female protags. Go ahead.
>>263121373
Doesn't matter to me. I care about gameplay.
>>263121253
>>263121749
>at least 3 GamerGate operatives in this thread
Fixed that for you. No need to thank me.
>>263121923
hello
>>263120628
I'd be alright as long as they're not Ellen "little feminist boy" Page
>>263120628
That they are protags in a good game, unlike your pic
>>263121373
Why would I play as a woman if she is not a hot bimbo slut to look at? Why should I play a normal bitch as a male? I'm not some fucking transvestite nor do I wish to be a girl.
There are plently of games that let you choose your gender.
>>263120628
Fuck off. That was never the point of their agenda and you know it. They don't want "more games with female roles in them." There are plenty of those, plenty more to come.
No, what they want is to never see a game again which doesn't pander to their tastes, and that is bullshit.
>>263122051What's the original like?
So what happened with games that either let you play as a female protagonist or a male one, and both would have different branching paths? That always seemed like the best option to me.
Also did people just forget that metroid's been a beloved franchise for years and everyone hated the sexist undertones in Other M?
>>263121505
>our list of favorite protagonists that happen to have women who are strong
Yuna a best. all other FF go home
>>263122051
>the girls of fatal frame
fucking thank you. no body brings these girls up, and i fucking love them
>scared shitless, a normal response for ANYONE in the situation of killer fucking ghosts in a town/mansion/island/whatever you cannot leave
>get shit done anyway
>>263122146
What kind of game is that? Looks like weeaboo garbage.
>>263122342
Not a good game in itself, but Tales of Xillia did that fairly well.
>>263121923
No women serve in special ops. Also most women in the military have overseas/desk jobs, because the logistics of putting women on the front line is too troublesome (for a wide array of reasons).
gamers gate had nothing to do with female protagonists
nobody ever had any issue with female protagonists
what the fuck is this thread and who are you people
>>263120628
I would help if the queen of /v/ continued to influence their design. A woman's voice is necessary to know how toherpderpherpderp
>>263122460
The weird thing is that most survival horror games have pretty good female protags, but feminists never bring them up.
>GamerGate now makes people think it's okay to post about SOCIAL PROBLEMATIC ISSUES on here
Fuck off
holy shit
is it seriously either "MISOGYNISTS!" or "let's discuss women in video games"?
Fuck off you fucking cunts
>>263122526
A high-budget RPG starring not one, but TWO female protagonists.
>>263121923
>conditionally
I accept or do not accept all protagonists "conditionally," - one of the conditions being whether or not they make sense in canon, regardless of gender.
>>263122606
The terrorists can smell the menstrual blood
>>263122460
That's because they aren't interested in strong female protagonists who have flaws, they just want some idealized self-insert. Also, heck yeah Fatal Frame.
>>263121505
best female protag?
BGE definitely
>>263122072
>Cherry picking and flase accusations mean im right guyz
>>263122342
>everyone hated the sexist undertones in Other M
A loud minority hated them. The same minority that's fighting for increased female presence in gaming.
>>263120628
fuck off shill.
I don't even give a fuck about girls in games, most of the games I play star either girls or robots or animals or something. I just fucking hate having to hear people complain about "NOT ENOUGH GRILLS IN GAYMES" "WHY ARENT YOU INCLUSIVE ENOUGH YOU CISHET WHITE BOY SCUM". Like, holy shit NOBODY is stopping your stupid ass from playing a fucking video game.
Just kill yourselves off the internet and save everyone the time it takes to read your buttpained whining, because you don't even know what you want
>>263120628
I want more female protagonists in games.
I just don't want feminism issues and political views to be forced into my vidya just because the devs are afraid of the SJW wrath
>>263121007
Silent Hill 3 was good. Protagonist was attractive but by no means a sex symbol, to the game's benefit.
But it's not a game where you tap pieces of fruit and the masses don't play it so as far as SJWs who have no genuine interest in video games are concerned, it doesn't exist.
>>263122834
>>263122712
But the flaws make them more realistic, what the fuck?
And it's not like they have those flaws because they're female, they have those flaws because they're HUMAN
>>263120628
are you implying people on /v/ don't already accept them as long as they're not written like shit?
fuck off
and ellen page is shit
>>263122910
No, everyone hated it, even /v/. It was during a time when feminist shit in the media wasnt quite as rampant, so /v/ didn't shit itself whenever they talked about girl female characters.
It was less about MUH FEMINISM and more about the fact that they made a previously decent character into a whiny, melodramatic pushover that literally only followed orders because her husbando was giving her permission, and not because she's a hardcore bounty hunter like she's been for years.
And the funny thing? the so called SJW's now? Back then they were calling US sexist because "you just hate it when a girl in games have feelings!"
>>263120628
I literally do not give a fuck about gender or sexual preferences of characters in a video game. MAKE IT FUCKING FUN JESUS CHRIST
>>263123187
Which is a thing SJWs don't understand. What we WANT are human characters and once that's satisfied we could care less what they identify as, while they have it on backwards and want to make us care only about 'underrepresented' characters, never mind that we've already had those.
**** SJWs basically.
Who the fuck cares who the MC is as long as they're an actually likeable character and the game has good gameplay?
Legitimate question here: Are there any female protagonists you like as much as any of your favorite male protagonists? Or are you listing a bunch of female protagonists you've heard of but generally don't really care for? I mean let's be honest, Chell is as much of a boring block of wood as Gordon freeman and it seems disingenuous to call her a good female character.
>>263123562
>Back then
It literally does not matter what we said in the past. What's important is the discussion being had today, here and now.
>>263124007
Nice goalpost move.
>>263123984
My hunter in MH3U is a grill, and she's the best
>>263123984
you know who else i dont see people mention? the females of Lunar. Id have to say i favor them over the male protags.
I already do accept female protagonists in games. My favourite game ever is Metroid Prime. People need to stop looking for SJW brownie points and just make cool characters, female or otherwise. It really shows when attempts to pander are made, and the narrative usually suffers as a result.
>>263123984
chell is just an avatar, same as gordon.
only anita is dumb to think she's a good fem character.
>>263123270
100% true
>>263123984
> Blaze (catgirl from sonic)
> Lara Croft
> Chell
> Faith
> Elena and Chloe
> Jade
> Chun-li
> Felicia (ds)
> Ehl and Chocolat
My favorites.
>>263124527
She's not much of a character, but she's a step in the right direction. And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
>>263124201
I won't let you shift the focus of this discussion. Consider yourself filtered.
>>263124878
Calm down, kid. Get some cream on that salty wound.
By not giving them special treatment.
Seriously, the moment you even say that having a female protag in the game is a huge plus or something stupid like that, you just deserve to die
>>263123984
Everyone loves Etna
>>263124878
>>263124878
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
But... she wasnt. She was never controversial, at most people went "oh, the player character's a girl? that's cool I guess" and just played the fucking game. What kind of a shitty history revisionist are you?
>>263123984
Princess Ashe and Terra are my favourite FF protagonists
>implying one of my favorite characters wasn't designed by a woman
>>263124878
I liked chell, with the whole "she is glados daughter" and shit potential storyline.
Made me pretty damn engaged in Portal 2.
I'm sure /v/ doesn't give a shit if the game they're playing involves playing as a girl.
The real question is...would you be okay with a game where you play as an ugly girl
>>263124878
>She's not much of a character, but she's a step in the right direction.
It would've been really shitty if she was anything else. The point of Chell/Gordan being silent and whatnot is that they serve as a vehicle for the story, and you can transplant your own responses onto them.
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
She wasn't. At all. Don't make shit up, it's generally frowned upon in debates.
>>263120628
It would take games that provide a setting in which a female protagonist makes sense that is still fun to play.
The thing is, in most cases a female protagonist will feel forced or unnatural simply because most video games require protagonists with attributes that are considered to be more typical for males than for females, such as logical thinking, physical strength, experience in battle, leadership abilities and strategical foresight.
Now a typical protagonist doesn't only need to have one or more than these qualities, he also has to excel in at least of these areas in order to be "special" enough to be worthy of being the middle of the story the game is trying to tell.
Of course there are women who are just as good as many men in these areas, but they're vastly outnumbered by men, so having a female protagonists with these qualities will always feel somewhat "forced" and shoehorned, unless they have enough well-written backstory to make up for it and expand on their character.
When you think of typical qualities of a female, what will usually come to mind are things like emotional intelligence, social manipulation or maternal care. Of course there can be games in which these qualities can be useful, but the possibilites for are rather limited compared to males.
There are ways to circumvent all of this, however, such as establishing a fantasy world in which men and women are more similar to each other, as many JRPGs (and japanese games in general) in which men and women alike have superhuman powers do.
>>263120628
Only if David Cage didn't write them.
>>263123984
>I only play western games
>>263123984
I liked Heather Mason in SH3, Yume Nikki has a great female protag, a lot of JRPGs had interesting female characters until JRPGs took a huge fucking nose dive the middle of the 00s.
>Imploding /v/ doesn't love Mischief Makers
>>263125624
>I liked chell, with the whole "she is glados daughter" and shit potential storyline.
wait WHAT
>>263125670
I played as a lady archer in Oblivion
It could be interesting to see a gender-fluid protagonist who explores their non-traditional sexuality in a genre that is conducive to that sort of storytelling (an RPG or an Adventure game would make the most sense). Let the player experience the ensuing awkwardness and confusion for themselves, rather than getting on a soapbox and preaching to them. It could be a very enlightening experience.
>>263126018
zing
Funny how feminists never even glanced at this game despite the art director being a woman and the game starring a woman. They talk and talk and talk about how hard it is for girls to be in the vidya industry and how nobody ever makes games with female protags, but when they DO show up, they don't even support it.
>>263124878
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
Chell wasn't controversial at all. People just noticed she was a girl and went "Huh, I didn't know she was a girl" and that's it. They were surprised and didn't even think further about it, let alone discussed it.
>>263123984
Virginia Maxwell (Wild Arms 3)
Gwendolyn, Velvet, Mercedes (Odin Sphere)
Cecilia Adelhyde (Wild Arms)
Chris Lightfellow (Suikoden 3)
Lucia (Lunar: Eternal Blue)
Mio Amakura (Fatal Frame II)
Aurora (Child of Light)
Rorolina Frixell (Atelier Rorona, haven't played most of the others though)
FeMC (Persona 3 Portable)
Maya Amano (Persona 2 IS and EP)
All female protagonists I enjoy as they're believable and have flaws just like my favorite male protagonists.
>>263120628
>Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate.
>GamerGate
Literally what?
Give me a very good fucking reason why I should care about this... "GamerGate" thing.
>>263120628
Everyone on /v/ is already fine with female protags.
Holy motherfuck. Off the top of my head we got Okami, Metroid, Bayonetta, and half the cast of Dragon's Crown are women, and those are pretty well received here.
And we're just talking playable god damned characters. The most central figure to the entire MGS mythos is a woman, and that is easily one of this board's favorite games.
I've fucking dealt with the kind of asshat that thinks women are underrepresented in vidya. Specifically, my friend's gf was pissed that Link wasn't a girl. I pointed out that Zelda always does the 'save the princess' story because its target audience is children; Nintendo isn't going to pull a trite twist on it because children don't care. Then she went on a fucking rampage and said, I shit you not, 'I relate to Samus, the spacefaring cold blooded bounty hunter who gets into completely unrelatable scenarios, because she is a girl.'
Then when her bf came in to white knight, I actually did list off a fuckhuge list of female playable characters and said "If you want more games with female protags, maybe play these. If they sell well, we will get more games like them." He shrugged every single one off with excuses like "Oh, Amaterasu's a wolf, that doesn't count. Bayonetta's a parody of fetishes, so she doesn't count." He actually said this. Ammy doesn't count as a girl because she's a wolf apparently.
People complaining about a lack of women in video games either hate men in video games, don't play more than a few game series, or are white knights.
And if by a miracle some dev reads this, listen up: nobody fucking cares what gender your protagonist is. Do what you want with your character, just don't let the game be a soapbox about gender or whatever. All you have to do is make a fun video game.
>>263124878
Where was this controversy? I don't remember any of it apparently.
Or you just made it up.
>>263126671
NO, WE ARE NOT.
FUCK OFF AND CZECH YOUR PRIVILEGE, YOU MALE PIG
>pic related is my face mfw haters hate on female protagoonsitists
>>263126293
Unless every protag is a woman, then there'd might as well not be any female protags with how they treat the "issue".
>>263123984
>chell
no thanks
I'm seriously convinced that people like OP are either literally mental or just extremely beta. Just because it's a female doesn't mean it's automatically a better game.
I think the only gripe I have with female characters in vidya is that I wish more of them had more interesting designs. I usually gravitate towards male characters if given the choice simply because they usually have cooler designs than the girls
titties and 'bout tree fiddy.
>>263122249
Normal female characters are there for normal females to play because they identify with them. Just like you identify with normal male characters. In short, it's not for you but the way these kinds of discussions tend to be framed is "WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN CHARACTERS PUT MORE OF THEM IN YOUR GAMES YOU SHOULD WANT THAT" without pointing out the reasons behind a desire to do so.
>>263121923
tons of the women in the military =\= women in SEALS, Delta, SAS, DEVGRU, etc.
>>263123984
I liked Bayonetta more than I liked alot of other guys, but having a fave is hard for me.
>>263123073
Well I hate to tell you, anon, but if you want female protags these days you can be sure there's going to be a fuckton of views, shoehorning and pandering. Like with Ellie in TLoU. Was her sexuality relevant at all in the game? Fuck no. What did they do in the DLC? They made her gay. There's nothing wrong with that but what was the point of it? It was never a relevant thing about her character. It was shoehorned as fuck.
>>263120628
there's only drama for those idiots who care
>>263124878
>Chell was controversial at the time
What in the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually retarded?
>>263123984
Bayonetta's fun for a lot of the same reasons as Dante.
The female characters in Sengoku Basara are also pretty enjoyable.
There are a number of horror games where you play as a girl, which actually adds a layer in the game's favor. If you see that a character you like is frail, you're more likely to be scared for her and want to protect her. I've been playing Witch's House, and I've been pretty nervous in every new room because I don't want my loli to get hurt.
And she's not exactly a protagonist, but The Boss is pretty cool too. It's no surprise that many MGS fans want a Cobra Unit game.
>>263120628
For people to make the games they're in good.
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
With this line, you're implying that people are rejecting female protagonists in videogames.
Do you have any examples of this happening?
I don't know of any cases in which developers planned to make a female protag, and people gave negative criticism merely about the character's gender.
It's true that there are far fewer female protags than male, but as far as I can see, that's just because game devs choose male more often. I don't see any evidence of people outright preventing it.
>post-gamergate
It's not over faggot
>>263123984
I like Autumn and her chubby sister from Sanctum 2. The only bit of personality you get from either of them is their callouts and the dialogue on the loading screens. That said, they both have some awesome passives.
>>263120628
fuck you fuckin shitposting faggot
report button may have been used
The truth of the matter when it comes to female protags it isn't the audience not wanting to play them. It's Paul Marketing that sees the proposal to make the main character a female and goes up to the writer and says "Yeahhhh....The thing is our demo is young males...." And then pushes the writer or designer to change the protagonist from a female orc to a human male.
Then he comes back and asks to change the setting to a sci-fi one.
Then he comes back and wonders why there isn't any multiplayer.
Oh can it be first person?
And accounts suggests there needs to be some dlc in the works. Got any content that we can skim off?
Orange and blue cover bald grizzled space marine with the initials JC stands staring out of the box with a grim expression. Gun in the right hand orange in the left.
10/10- IGN
>>263124878
>And you can't pretend Chell wasn't controversial at the time.
Correct, I can't pretend something that's reality.
I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. I was more active on /v/ around Portal 1 and 2's release than I am now, and saw literally no controversy about her.
Can you provide evidence of a significant amount of such a response?
>>263128105
As a normal male, I don't like to play as normal male characters in games. The fact that so many developers think that I want to play as a dull as dishwater everyman is kind of insulting. I like to play as interesting and extraordinary characters, ones with strong personalities and flaws all their own, regardless of their gender, race, or social class.
>>263122051
HOLY SHIT /V/ HOLY FUCKING SHIT. this picture, this picture right here, made me realize that some of my favorite games have female protagonists in them. its like a light bulb
turning on in my head. now ive been following gamergate for a while, pretty much since its inception, and ive watched the anita sarsleezian videos, and ive always thought it
was a bunch of horse shit from femanazis trying to destroy the only thing in this world that brings me joy. its just so fucked up, because i never realized the protagonists
in my favorite games were girls
, they were well written and had good charecter, but holy fuck just happened to be female. just to rattle a few off, parasite eve resident evil silent hill 3
tomb raider, have fucking GIRL protagonists in them. ALL THIS FEMINIST WHINING IS COMPLETE HORSESHIT AND I NEVER REALIZED JUST HOW BAD IT WAS UNTIL THIS VERY MOMENT. i just
dont know anymore,
it never occurred to me that they were GIRLS. i mean i knew they were female, but i never had a negative opinion because of that, because they were good charecters. /rantoff
Why is this thread still up?
Nobody complains about Ripley in the movie aliens, the movie kicked ass. Samus is a good parallel. No one was upset, it improved the experience because the game play and basic story are great.We don't mind females, we mind an agenda driven mindset demanding things and shouting down anyone in opposition.
>>263129541
Because discussion I guess.
>>263121373
>characters being sexy is sexism
Bible belt pls
>>263129617
Aliens sucked
>>263129541
Because we're talking about women in vidya, and why SJWs are wrong about their lack of representation.Cobra Unit game when?
>>263120890
>>263120819
these
No one is against female protagonists in games, I don't even know where this shit that gamers/games are sexist came from.
Could the few of you in support of female characters just explain one thing: Why the controversy surrounding Anita Sarkeesian?
Shouldn't you be supporting her?
>>263130503
It's heartbreaking to hear how they shafted Giger.
>>263123984
My top 3 vidya protags are female. Yunica Tovah, Samus, Heather Mason.
Irrelevant anyway. It is true that there are fewer female protags. The issue at hand is that nobody is preventing more female protags from being made. If you wanna see more females in vidya, make vidya with females in them. We're not going to stop you.
>>263122710
Please tell me that's a bait image 'cause holy shit that rubs me the wrong way.
>>263130712
What did they do to Based Giger?
>>263130705
I've watched her videos and while she brings up some decent points about sexism in media in general (though really, it's more about stereotyping than malicious sexism), when you actually watch her videos, you realize: None of these criticisms have anything to do with videogames specifically. The exact same could be said of movies, comics, whatever.
She's irrelevant to videogames.
>>263130828
Well if check the spoilers...
>>263130904
Basically when he asked to be on board to oversee the xenomorph stuff since he considered it his baby, James Cameron told him to fuck off.
He makes some good movies but James Cameron is kind of a tremendous cunt when you dig a little.
Shit thread made by a troll.
>>263131002
She also bangs on about victimisation a lot. And, ironically, grill gamers I know have called her out on this.
>>263131210
What a prick. Well, I'm sure there was a reason Bigelow divorced him.
>>263120628
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Most people on here don't even care.
As long as the game is good I don't care how my main character looks as long as he/she/it is at least somewhat appealing and fitting.
>>263131080
How would i know if that's relevant to the image or not?
I really feel like no one gave a shit if the MC was female till it was made an issue. There are so many good games with female leads that get ignored. It's like these people didn't start paying attention to video games until the year 2007.
What are you even babbling about? Nobody gives a fuck what the protagonist is as long as it fits the narrative of the story. We have played as pigs (hogs of war) and worms (worms,lol).
So many games nowadays give you the option to create a character anyway, so your question is equivalent to asking a fish when will they learn to embrace water. The day when I play a game from start to finish and see nothing but men is the day your question earns any validity.
>>263120628
Absolutely nothing OP.
Us gamers will never accept female protagonists in video games because we're all chauvinistic misogynerds who are all completely hostile to the idea of females even so much as appearing in video games at all. I can personally testify that whenever I see a woman in a video game I start dry heaving as a reflex. Women are the scum of the earth and they should all be eradicated or turned into sex slaves, and everyone who plays video games thinks exactly like I do because we're all irrational, illogical, backwards sexists.
>>263120628
we already accept them Anita,
Fuck on off already
I never once cared about the sex/gender of a video game character before this shit started.
>>263120628
I'm against your fucking Anita worshiping asses forcing them into games. Tokenism will only make me resent any diversity.
>>>/out/ Zoe
>>263131575
I guess you just have to assume. Why else would it be there? What else could he have been referring to?
>>263120628
MOAR of this.
I would pre-order a Nyotengu spinoff game and I bet 80% of /v/ also would
>>263130705
A few reasons. Most prominently: she calls things sexist that aren't.
There's nothing "sexist" about looking at titties.
There's nothing "sexist" about male protagonists.
There's nothing wrong with wanting to save a damsel.
There's nothing wrong with pandering to a male audience rather than a female audience.
She points out inequalities, and she's right. Yeah, there are way more male protags than female. Yeah, the damsel in distress trope is used a lot. These things aren't sexist, they just...are. If people wanna put in more non-sexualised females, that's great, I personally love that. But it isn't "sexist" not to.
I can't respect someone who throws around accusations of something serious like sexism without a good foundation.
2nd reason is she essentially committed fraud with her Kickstarter. She brought people in claiming to be a big gamer who loves games. There is indisputable video evidence of her not long before her KS went live, blatantly stating that she does not like video games. She outright lied to get money from people.
Those are the only issues I have with her. But they're pretty big issues.
>>263130705
>>263120628
Nobody fucking cares if you put girls in games, there were always girls in games.. Video games is a free market, there is nothing wrong with doing what you put in your games.
The problem with Social Justice is that it's tokenism, and cultralist marxist crap. They bitching about a market that gears towards boy means it's sexist.
Females are boring and not leader types this is fact
>>263120628
My favourite female protag is the Guardian from Guardian Legend:3
>>263132027
Fair enough.
>>263121373
Yeah, kill yourself prude. I bet your a fugly landwhale.
The plot making sense while having a female protagonist and not "HURR FEMALE PROTAG!"
Make the game first, worry about sex and gender later.
>>263131210
Same thing happened with Giger and Fincher. They were rushed and had to start without his designs.
>>263132685
Why worry about sex or gender at all? Why not make every character an amorphous blob?
Okay, OP here. I have one last question: What about equality in H-games? If female protagonists are a universally good thing, then why not make H-games where you play as a female fucking men?
Would that make you uncomfortable?
>>263133672
Google otome games. There are tons of them, maybe even more than man fucks girls games. Although they're usually softcore.
I don't think I have ever given a shit about the gender of a protagonist. Neither side of this GG nonsense is doing anything that will change that.
It's really pretty easy to identify agendas in games and ignore them. The problem comes when you do that and the game/character has nothing to stand on without it. You want me to accept a female protagonist? Make a good protagonist who happens to be female, don't make a female first and try shoehorn her into being good later.
>>263133672
Technically that exists, but technically the female is getting raped, but technically it isn't rape because 90% of the time you can break free effortlessly, and they're usually getting off to it anyway.
>>263121709
Actually I can see women being recruited into spec ops stuff. It's frontline warfare that they are discouraged from.
>>263133672
No. Actually, a lot of H-games are like that.
Also, female protagonists aren't a universally good thing, they're a universally neutral thing. There is no moral content to making a fictional character a certain gender, or assigning them any characteristic for that matter.
>>263120628
"What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?"
Nobody is rejecting them.
Unless they are written by retards. See also: Your picture.
>>263130503
I'm sorry you feel that way.Have you ever been mistaken for a man?
>>263133672
Hentai is for goddamn degenerates that should be put to death.
>>263134756
Okay /pol/ get back in the #GG or go home.
>>263130705
>the few of you
Good to see you're half-assedly skimming the thread.
>>263134247
Thank you. I could not have asked for a better quote to wrap this up.
It's been a fantastic thread. Let's do this again some time, okay?
>>263135941
Thanks for taking my quote out of context.
>>263135941
>>263121259
I super agree.
yeah, being gay, i don't want to be tokenized and say HEY LOOK YOU'RE PLAYING AS A FAGGOT.
I just want to be. i mean my sexuality is the most boring part of me. and i think it is the same story here for gender.
Remember Jade from Beyond good and Evil?
Remember Lighting? (sure we complained but it was about the game itself and how her personality was flatter than cardboard)
Remember Chel from portal and Madotsuki from Yume Nikki? compare with how people treated the protag of Gone Home as someone above and better even though the whole game was about her small problems against the family's big problems?
Remember Samus? remember Other M Samus?
Remember Ellie from the last of us? Compare with Elen page Power hour?
>>263133672
I don't play those games and never will. Not interested. I'm sure you are fishing in a very small vocal subset here.
>>263135941
That's okay, these threads are archived. People will always be able to see the full context.
Posts like
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>>263135915
are easily viewable, as is your post admitting to cherry-picking. In fact, I think I'll make a little collage myself of all of the well-reasoned posts. I have a lot more material to work with than you do, and they aren't obvious trolls.
The only people you're going to "fool" with your collage is people whose minds are made up to begin with.
Good luck :^)
>>263132330
If you research ancient fertility cults and origins of religions you would be surprised anon.
}:^)>
>>263135941
Nice meme :^) I look forward to upvoting it on r/4chan
>>263138529
>That's okay, these threads are archived. People will always be able to see the full context.
No one on Twitter will care, you fucking tool.
>>263120628
I guess put them into games worth fucking buying would be a pretty darn easy way to do it.
>>263138529
>That's okay, these threads are archived. People will always be able to see the full context.
People rarely actually look at archived threads for context though, especially non-4channers (who this image is for of course) and especially when it's easier to just assume the image is correct.
But whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better.
>>263122051
wish you could go back in time and block out the link. bad publicity and curious google searches are still publicity.
>>263138817
Not unless someone posts the thread.
>>263138817
>>263138959
Like I said,
>The only people you're going to "fool" with your collage is people whose minds are made up to begin with.
Yeah, you're right, morons aren't going to look at the full context, but why should we care what they think? The only thing to worry about is OP deceiving reasonable people, and that won't happen if there's evidence.
>>263121580
>>263121709
people forgot about Medal of Honor: Underground?
>Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate
it's easy if you never gave a shit to begin with
Listen to the loon, listen to the pain
Listen to the one they call the Violent J, Insane
Watch me as I duck and I dash through the night
I can see the shadows of the moon in my butcher knife
>>263139208
>no true scotsman
Ok.
>>263139864
That's pretty ad hominem of you.
honestly i dont give a single fuck who my protag is as log as the game is fun and they are not unbearably annoying
>>263120628
We already do. We always did. We have never not accepted them.
>>263139208
oh no, it will happen, that's why the whole mess exists in the first place... but more and more people are getting wise to it.
when you draw lines in the sand and are always on the defensive, you always get shit flinging. but that's less and less.
>>263139427
And Call of Duty: Finest Hour.
>>263120628
>Post
NICE
TRY
SHILL
WE AREN'T DONE YET
>>263140249
until we started seeing everything through a gendered lens and click bait. But this too will pass. probably already has.
there's serendipity in this.
To be honest, there's a few things I dont want to play as. I play games as fucking escapist fantasies, for fun, for experiences I cant get in real life. For FUN.
I dont want to play as a broken down, elderly person.
I dont want to play as an invalid. I just dont see how I could have fun playing as a cripple or some wheelchair bound dude. I'd feel bad half the time,and I'm here for fun.
I dont really want to play a character whose sexuality or sex is the defining theme or feature of the story or character. I just cant give a damn about the life and times of some oppressed minority and their sexuality. I'm playing a VIDEOGAME, for FUN. Remember Philadelphia, the 1993 drama film? Can you imagine playing that?
No.
As long as we remember that videogames are about fun experiences and interesting gameplay, I'm good. Let's have less random Mist-like games like Gone Home, though
I have better things to do.
>>263135941
>Taking everything out of context.
>Being zoe.
>>263140671
really? god dammit when will you cancer ridden idiots take your politics and fuck off? you are no better than the SJWs i dont care about politics i just want to play games leave politics to politicians
>>263120628
Everyone always accepted them.
But it's stupid as fuck to FORCE more girls just because.
>>263140671
temper the flame of your passion. you're angry not at people but at bad practices with no recourse.
>>263122051
This comic doesn't work. She said she wished there were more strong female characters, not that there were none.
>>263120628
Make good games with good characters.
>>263138959
You're trying too hard
Real mainstream media just takes one out-of-context quote to publish several articles about
>>263120628
Sexualize them, just like they sexualize male protagonists
>>263122051
>sans prime
what the fuck is he even fucking getting on about? that should be sans other m not sans prime
Just played fallout: new vegas with a female character. Fuck you.
>>263140904
i understand what you're going for but...
walking dead.
yume nikki.
spec ops: The line.
the bad ending of fatal frame 2
silent hill.
Games have gone beyond "fun" as happy go lukcy cartoony for some time now. Who knows? you might just have fun in the most unexpected places.
>>263120628
who said there was a problem with having female protags? What kind of retard are you?
>>263141305
What's an acceptable number?
I mean, I dont know what they want. SJW's HAVE their STRONG female characters. There's TONS of them.
Even in AAA games, like Tomb Raider. Is that it? More female main character in AAA games?
Because most AAA games nowadays are either big RPGs which have female leads, big SPORTS games which cant have them (No Females in NBA,NFL, ladies), and Call of Duty type games....well....I kinda agree with devs there.
There were no women on D-Day at normandy. To have a female randomly there, just...it's lying.
>>263138529
BTFO
T
F
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>>263142059
That's dumb. Those aren't real characters.
>>263142231
>real
>character
Next you'll be complaining about unrealistic dragons.
>>263142231
How?
>>263142365
Are you attempting to start a wyverns/dragons discussion?
>>263141305
right...
imagine a game where you have to, in extraordinary circumstances protect your children and may ultimately sacrifice yourself in the end.
sure it could be done badly, but if done well, i think it could really be a hit game as well as hitting us in the feels.
>>263120628
They are already accepted and have been for a long, long time.
>>263142069
I had fun with all of those, bro.
Walking Dead excited me and it's engrossing.
Yume Nikki was spooky and cool.
Spec Ops the line , I had fun experiencing the horror of war and the complexity of War.
Silent Hill, Horror games...
For me, Horror is fun. I have tons of horror movies, from Romero, to ect. Fear is exciting and fun!
It's like that"OH SHIT" feeling from a good scare, or that "Oh, fuck, oh fuck" from a good sense of horror and dread from a good scary existential horror...
It's fun. It's all fun.
>>263141102
That's what GamerGate is ABOUT moran
>>263120628
>post-GamerGate.
Sorry, you can't pretend its over shill. You will continue to be exposed for the ugly human beings you are, and using a non-issue will change nothing.
>>263120628
Well, a good video game for a start.
I don't give two shits what the protagonist of a video game is, as long as the game itself is fun and well crafted. The only exception to this rule is when a developer deliberately shoves a [insert whatever SJWs/whoever are bitching about at any given time] in a game just for the sake of it, or to appear "progressive". It's just as pandering as it is to have a bunch of cheesecake in your games, or waifu baiting the neckbeards. If you want to make your protag a girl, great. Whatever man, if the game is good I'll play it. But the second, the very SECOND, I hear one of you fucks start touting it like it's some big deal, or talking about how you wanted the female audience... I'm going to call you on your bullshit. And so are many others.
Sadly I think a lot of devs are doing just that today, because we seem to be getting to a point where we can't make anything without someone getting fanny flustered about one thing or another. So we have to pander to their needs. Really this applies to any medium, not just video games, but I do think video games are getting pounded in the ass way harder than any other medium right now. Which is very disheartening, to say the least.
>>263129513
Well the reason why they don't mention those game is because theydon't actually play video games.
>>263143183
well its fucking failing miserably so fucking stop you are making more problems then you are solving
>>263141102
Shut the fuck up before you act like a moron again.
And for that manner, learn to use spelling and grammar shill.
>>263143616
i want ANYONE who is slinging politics all over games to fuck off you are like a cancer that needs scooped out of gaming you and the SJWs should both move to an island where you can argue all you want without bothering anyone else
>>263143527
>well its fucking failing miserably
Good job outing yourself. Discrediting and turning many SJW into paranoid wrecks isn't a failure. Stop pretending your a /v/ user who only cares about video games. You aren't.
>>263143984
>Discrediting and turning many SJW into paranoid wrecks isn't a failure.
Please provide a list of SJWs and what has been done to them to back up this claim?
>>263126370
Virginia was a good character. The game doesn't start out with her saying, "HI IM A GIRL, PROTECT ME." It started with her going, "WHERE THE FUCK IS DAD!? Bye mom, I'm going to look for dad!"
It's the same with Chris Lightfellow. The council only regards her as a girl, but to her comrades she's their leader. She has some mental breakdowns, but her team reminds her that she's the captain, and not a girl. Also, "WHERE THE FUCK IS DAD!?"
Then again, the player has the choice whether or not to make her the star of the game next to the emotional ride with Hugo or sir badass Geddoe.
>>263143970
What part of "shut the fuck up" and "learn to use spelling" did you miss?
>i want ANYONE who is slinging politics all over games to fuck off you are like a cancer that needs scooped out of gaming you and the SJWs
Gamergate isn't even politics. So you wrote all of that for nothing.
>>263143984
i am a /v/ user who only cares about video games you people need to fucking go away just let games be games they dont need to be seen as art and they dont need defended no one but you retards care
>>263120628
What would it take? Make the fucking game not about the protagonists gender. If the main character HAPPENS to be a woman, that's not a problem. It's when you try to jam pseudopolitical bullshit into the game, like fighting a white guy in a suit carrying dollar sign bags named Cis Patriarchington, that's when you've gone too goddamn far.
>>263135941
And thanks for letting me screencap you saying this.
:^)
>>263142462
If I play devil's advocate, it's because it's a blank slate character and the game is built arround that as such. and it's not walking in someone elses' shoes.
Actually if you take that argument further has there ever had a Game (lets say RPG) where the ROLE Playing was a really big part in the experience?
>>263143984
>Implying they weren't paraniod wrecks from the start.
>>263144194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaXDLpjG3XU
Also, the movement is pretty popular, it gave internetaristocrat his greatest increase in subscription. That's not good news for "progressives"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km3DZQp0StE
>>263142190
I don't know what an acceptable number would be, but the numbers from 2012 are:
>They looked at a sample of 669 action games, shooters, and RPGs, all taken from the seventh-generation console cycle (that’s Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii — in other words, everything in the last seven years). Less than 300 games in their sample had the option of a female lead. As for female only leads…a whopping 24.
http://www.themarysue.com/why-games-with-female-protagonists-dont-sell-and-what-it-says-about-the-industry/
I don't know how reliable the the numbers are, but the there is a disparity between the genders and that makes anyone saying "I wish there were more strong female characters" not so wrong for asking it. Not so right either, but at the very least their concern isn't instantly invalidated with the existence of strong female characters.. The statement and the response in the comic still doesn't work.
>>263144412
>GET OVER YOURSELF NERDS NO ONE'S GOING TO TAKE YOUR VIDEO GAMES AWAY FROM YOU
>BUT THEY NEED TO CHANGE BECAUSE THEY DON'T SUIT US YOU NEED TO REALIZE YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES PLAYING GAMES ANYMORE
>>263144364
Honestly I thought Virginia was annoying at first, not because she was a girl but because she was excessively perky considering how dangerous going out in the wild was.
Then many hours later I saw the whole point of her character beyond being a girl and why only she deserves to be the protagonist in WA 3, and that was a beautiful moment.
Chris was already respectable from the start to me, but she and many of the other female Suikoden characters are amazing at showing how good writing makes the best out of characters instead of harping on traits that aren't important.
>>263128654
>Witch's House
Mah nigga. Make sure you don't get spoiled before you beat it.
>>263144795
> it's a blank slate character.
From the perspective of the game itself and everyone else. You are supposed to build the character in the game and your mind.
And role playing is a really big part of the experience in most rpg games.
>>263145092
And you're just assuming all the rest are male?
You're assuming they have any sex or gender at all, for that matter?
>>263145167
if you think that i catching traction anyplace but bioware and indie games you are smoking something
I reject the OPs thesis. I've never had a problem with female protagonists. Shill your bullshit elsewhere.
>>263142594
I'd call you and any other male who liked it a faggot though.
>>263128105
Why is it that straight WASP males are the only people who don't need to or give a shit about "identifying" with a character?
>>263144412
>i am a /v/ user who only cares about video games you people need to fucking go away just let games be games they dont need to be seen as art and they dont need defended no one but you retards care
Not my fault your feelings get hurt. Thats the only reason you care this, you get uncomfortable and your feelings get hurt. Politics and video games always intermix, and once again, gamergate isn't politics.
Yeah, great idea. Why don't you say that to the SJW in the media who are responsible for pushing this shit in the first place, go and say that. Because as long as they are here, this won't leave. You won't though, because you are coward. Go and hide those threads if you get uncomfortable, but this won't leave.
Go ahead,
>>263145170
>tfw Japan, arguably one of the more 'misogynistic' countries, can write female characters better than any of the SJW dickholes from the US and Canada
It's a nice feeling, and I'm not even that weeb-y.
>>263142365
I mean real characters like Tom Sawyer, someone clearly defined and separate. They tell better stories, though the immersion experienced with created characters could make for a better game.
>>263120628
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
When you stop acting like that's why everybody's pissed off.
>>263145713
im not uncomfortable i just dont fucking care of one side would shut up do would the other side goddammit what is hard to understand about this?
>>263120628
>post-gamergate
7/10. I replied to you, shill.
>>263145806
>tfw when idiotic feminist were celebrating that a female mathematician won a award.
The funny thing is that she is from Iran where traditional gender roles are far far stronger then in the west.
Its funny how these things always happen in the traditionalist countries, not in the "progressive" countries.
>>263145826
Again
>real
>character
>>263120628
>Let's talk about how to move on post-GamerGate.
Nah. Honestly they're on to a good deal of progress. Good try though.Not really. fuck off shill.
What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Give me some cash so I can buy some of the dozens of games out there with female protags already.
>>263145806
Japan games master race, just don't buy what you don't like and choose from so many titles that are good!
Honestly, that probably explains why I dislike Western titles. Shoehorned agendas are bad, always.
>>263146298
Christ you're autistic.
>>263120890
Holy shit this, Im at the point where "Strong Female Character" being used to sell me a game is a serious red flag.
I had no problem with Bayonetta, I had no issue with skull girls, Iv never held any game in contempt for having female party members, Iv played the fuck out of Metroid, I main fucking Brood Mother in DotA because fuck you, playing sorceress in Dragons Crown is the tightest shitnext to dwarf of course, I didnt reset my game when my starter pokemon was female or in Xcom when my Heavy turned out to be the black chick, the list goes fucking on.
But this OMG LOOKIT A STONK GRILL, SO PROGRESSIVE WOW! bullshit needs to stop
>>263123984
>Are there any female protagonists you like as much as any of your favorite male protagonists?
Of course due to your dick sucking faggotry you're going to accuse me of liking the character only for the T&A. Also I don't actually have favorite male protagonists.
>>263120628
>What would it take for you to accept more female protagonists in video games?
Good games with female protagonists.
Oh wait, those already exist. One of them is one of my favorite games of all time, largely in part DUE to the protagonist.
However, I'll never accept garbage like Beyond: Two Souls, TLOU, Gone Home, etc., mainly because they're fucking garbage with uninteresting, bland, and outright shitty characters that don't interest me at all and gameplay that's mediocre at best if it exists at all.
Now stop pretending you're some god of the industry because you praise any turd the indie scene shits out just because the protagonist has a vagina and maybe start supporting the actually GOOD games with female protagonists that get ignored because the press is too busy circlejerking with their indie friends.
>>263146695
I'm not the one thinking fictional characters are real.
I just want my lesbian romance simulator, then I'm happy.
>>263123984
If I made a top 10 favorite characters of all time the top two would be females who are protagonists of their games.
It depends on the game really. Chell is as uninteresting as Gordon Freeman because Valve doesn't like having actual characters as the protagonists of their games.
>>263120628
I like female characters, hell when given the opportunity I often create one, however I like WELL WRITTEN characters more. Playing as a female that is simply written poorly is as bad as playing as a male that is written poorly. It sucks
>>263146819
>Of course due to your dick sucking faggotry you're going to accuse me of liking the character only for the T&A.
And why not? She's clearly a slut.
>>263145426
24/669 characters being female is still low. I'm not even waving these numbers around like they're that solid or meaningful, I'm just putting it out there that a better comic would have her saying "There are no strong female characters!" and then have the list told to her by the other males who represent the male majority of the demographic.And then she says, "There are no GOOD strong female characters!"
>>263123984
>fun as fuck to play as
>max STYLE 24/7
>actually gets shown in a lot of roles in her story and gets a nice bit of development
>her game as hype as all fuck
What is honestly not to love?
Why would anyone want to stop gamergate? What does that have to do with female protagonists in games? Why try to end people finally wanting to call out shitty game business practice? Why do you want the shills to win?
>>263123984
I don't care one way or another. No really fuck off with trying to make me choose when it comes down to if the character is shit or not.
