THIS THREAD IS MADE BY THE ORDER OF IMPERATOR GAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR OCTAVIANVS DIVI FILIVS AUGVSTVS TO DISCVSS THE GLORY OF ROME AND ALL VIDEO GAMES THAT ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE THAT
THIS MONTH'S PVBLIC BREAD IS PROVIDED BY THE CAPITOLINE BROTHERHOOD OF MILLERS. THE BROTHERHOOD VSES ONLY THE FINEST FLOUR. TRVE ROMAN READ FOR TRVE ROMANS.
>>257149554
>>257149554
>FLOUR
>U
You fucked up.
PATRICIAN REPORTING IN
FILTHY ROMANS
What are some games where I can play as my ancestors and repel Roman scum for the glory of the gods?
>>257151792
Warband with mods.
Rome total war 1
>>257151792
DISCEDO BARBARORVM
>>257149893
I never understood what were the gestures for
>>257149554
AVE IMPERATOR!TRIARIAII!
>>257149554
How did a single city become that?
I'm such a huge god damn sucker for roman shit in games. Fucking love it.
How'd the Roman empire fall anyway? Weren't they absolute god damn badasses?
>>257152720
MARS WILLS IT
>>257152820
A string of shit Emperors + spreading too thin.
Sometimes I day dream about what it'd be like if the Roman Empire never fell...
if I see a map as the Op image, I automatically think I'm on /pol/ again
>>257152901
Fucking boys would probably still be legal.
>>257152901
It'd be a better world.
>>257152820
A combination of things.
They spread too quickly which meant armies would take forever to get anywhere, everyone wanted to take power which meant a lot of infighting, trying to integrate outsiders with little to no effort and much more.
>>257151792
RTW: Barbarian Invasion
Lusitania master race reporting in ;)))));)
>>257150408
#DECIMATED
>>257153196
>>257152901
So it basically boils down to being overly ambition and corruption?
God, what a damn shame. Roman empire best empire.
>>257153585
overly ambitious*
Hellatorius ~
Victorialis ~
Erastus ~
Necessitas ~
>>257153402
This never gets old.
>>257152901
When I see my nation now and how great my ancestors where I cry. How much I would love to see Italy at that glory again. Roman Empire,Renaissance or even a good implemented Fascism.
>>257153848
That map. All these feels.
>>257151792
CK2 expansion getting announced next week. Either Dark Ages or official Rome Conversion. Get hype.
>>257153958
Be the change you want to see, Anon.
I'd totally back an Italian politician who wanted a "return to form" for Italy, and try and spark the amazing work the Renaissance brought, or the cultural and political greatness of the Roman Republic and Empire.
>>257154127
There's a new expansion coming out?
Considering they did The Old Gods they could easily add another 400 years.
>>257153585
The Roman Empire isn't the British Empire. The sun never sets.
>>257154296
It's their biggest expansion yet and is going to be $20. Gotta be huge.
>>257153848
I'm using Mundus Magnus, it's great, although only the map has changed, none of the other stuff like the building and unit edits. Also I transferred saves between computers and now the minimap colors are all messed up... anyone know what's up with that?
You know what's the most awesome thing about the Roman empire?
It's how "modern" everything seemed
Take this for example a guy complaining about women fighting in the coliseum:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiatrix#Juvenal
>Poor weak things (they think), how little they really enjoy it!
It sounds exactly like someone from /v/ complaining about casuals/gurl gamers playing vidya
>>257153585
Any empire as huge as that would fall some day. You could argue it lasted until around 1450 which is a fucklong time.
>>257154563
Exactly. I find it to be a good thing that a civilization has advanced enough to the point where there are civil wars.
>VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1820: Chie, I hope your hemorrhoids rub together so much that they hurt worse than when they every have before!
http://www.pompeiana.org/resources/ancient/graffiti%20from%20pompeii.htm
>>257154668
>You could argue it lasted until around 1450
No you couldn't. Only delusional Byzantiboos would argue something so fucking stupid.
Anyway, it's time.
>>257154868
B-but why Chie?
FORM TESTUDO!!!
>>257154919
How so? It's literally the Roman Empire.
Not like that retarded ''Holy' 'Roman' 'Empire''
>>257155036
>arrows cutting through the shields like bullets
I mean come on.
>>257155102
>mfw conquering the HRE as Venice in M2TW
>>257154868
>VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1826: Phileros is a eunuch!
OHH SHITT
>>257155260
I recently played my first game as a Republic.
It's pretty fun, it's like a regular game but instead of military strength you expand your country through money.
>>257149554
HE WAS A CONSOLE OF ROME!
>>257154868
>People over 1000 years ago hated chie too.
Thank you.
>roman plebs thinking their empire was big
>tfw accidentally auto resolve
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCWblWfiUf0.
>>257152579
Religious.
>>257155721
persians got repelled by a handful of greeks though
>>257151792
Mein Bruder
You guys know Europa Barbarorum 2 is releasing this month right?
Why haven't there been any good TRUE ROMAN games in the last 10 years?
>>257155913
Thats the mongol empire
>>257155721
>mfw Mongolian horseniggers think barren undeveloped land compares to a glorious empire like Rome
>>257155102
Because it was barely anything like the Roman Empire.
Was it a remnant of the empire? Absolutely. Was it the same geopolitical state? Definitely not.
>>257155913
That isnt the Persian Empire.
>Ctrl+f "Shadow of rome"
>nothing
Fuck you guys
>>257155913
Do you seriously think that;s the Persian Empire anon?
>>257155913
>Persians
At least google it if you're going to comment.
>>257152579
Ars Oratoria.
Modern Italians still do it, albeit a bit less dramatically.
>>257156123
>China
>Persia
>Mesopotamia
>Anatolia
>Undeveloped
>>257156123
>400 years to conquer less land than the Mongols did in 25
Stay mad Romans
>>257155721
Most of that is completely barren though.
>>257156123
While the Mongol Empire was definitely nothing compared to Rome, the whole stereotype of savage and bloodthirsty Mongols isn't entirely true either. It was actually a pretty great place to live. What wasn't great was being conquered by them, so most people just surrendered without a fight.
>>257156190
>>257156157
>>257156132
right fine, russia.
>>257155721
Big? Yes.
Densly populated? No.
Lasting empire? No.
Basis of modern civilization? No.
Though 10% of all Asians are now direct decendands of Ghengis Khan which is cool I guess.
>>257156127
Technically it was, as a state it was a continuation of the Eastern Roman Empire created in the late 300s. It called itself Rome, the people called themselves Romans and it had a continuation of government that lasted (except for the 1204-1260s shenanigans) pretty much continuously.
It was the Roman Empire, it had its prestige for a reason. It was the same nation state.
>>257156085
I really don't like the new maps attempts to be 'realistic.' Much preferred Risk style maps with simpler models, made me feel more like a planning general.
What's the difference between the roman and the holy roman empires?
These things were never taught to me in history lessons.
>there will never be an open-world game set in Augustan Rome carefully researched to be as accurate as possible
I would suck someone dry for this shit. You have no idea.
>>257149554
>>257155721
>Alexander's empire
>kickstarted Hellenism which had a massive cultural impact on the world, opening trade routes from Iberia to India and encouraging the development of the sciences and arts across its domains
>Genghis's empire
>devastated China, ravaged eastern Europe, and singlehandedly ended the Islamic Golden Age in Persia and Central Asia
Mongols are shit, bro.
>>257156141
My nigga
Shadow of Rome and Colosseum are my favorite console Roman games.
Rome: Total war and Praetorian for PC.
I thought RYSE was alright if not just because the main character was kind of cool.
>>257155394
The oldest Op is a faggot
>>257156292
>Rome's contribution to mankind
too numerous to list
>Mongols contribution to mankind
the black death.
>>257156575
Not to mention due to its shitty engine it took forever to load a turn.
After some time it could take up to 10 minutes (I've heard people say it took even longer) to load a new turn.
>>257156623
>An RPG set during classical antiquity, with a life sized map of Europe. You can choose the year you start, anywhere from 265 BC to 470 AD. Factions will be historically accurate. You can choose where you start and it will generate an origin story based on that. You can do whatever you want. Historical events will occur regardless of whether you interact with them or not. So the Punic Wars will always happen. You can join the Roman army and make sure history stays correct, or fight for Carthage and change history, or just be a travelling merchant who simply makes money off history. There's no real main plot, you're not really some grand chosen one, just a regular person making their way in the world. Comes with an online game world that starts at the earliest point and has time continually pass.
My dream game.
>>257149554
>implying your empire is worth shit
>>257156660
>ended the Islamic Golden Age
That's a good thing for us westerners you know that right?
>>257156660
>islam
>golden age
never happened.
>Roman Empire
>20.5% of the land of the world's Greatest Empire
>>257156587
Roman Empire was a state centred on the Italian society of Rome that lasted through classical antiquity.
The Holy Roman Empire was a state formed by a medieval king descended from the Germanic barbarian Franks focused on modern Germany and central Europe generally. Frankish territory originally covered all of France, Germany and Austria. During the course of the early middle ages the different regions of "Francia" divided on language grounds until you got the medieval states of France, the Holy Roman Empire (essentially Germany) and a bunch of others.
I ACCIDENTALLY RE-USED A FORK I ATE WITH YESTERDAY WITHOUT WASHING IT FIRST
AM I GOING TO DIE PLEASE HELP /V/
>>257156660
The Mongol Empire was great for trade as well. The roads were relatively safe within the borders.
>>257156540
>10% of all Asians are now direct decendands of Ghengis Khan which is cool I guess.
99% of all europeans are descendants of charlemagne which is cooler
>>257156587
Rome was true Romans, HRE was some shitty Germans desperately seeking to validate themselves so they took the name
Greece>Rome
>>257156962
>conquered a bunch of people with sticks
Good job m8.
>>257156973
Enjoy your Ebola, retard.
>>257154868
>II.2.3 (Bar of Athictus; right of the door); 8442: I screwed the barmaid
Alpha as fuck
>>257156778
To be fair Justinian brought the Justinian plague to Italy in his reconquest wich is one of the main reasons for the dark ages.
>>257157150
isn't it great
>>257149554
Fucker, the Romans didn't use spacing. That came later. Here's how it should look, unless you can actually translate to classical Latin (Also fuck declensions):
>THISTHREADISMADEBYTHEORDEROFIMPERATORGAIVSIVLIVSCAESAROCTAVIANVSDIVIFILIVSAUGVSTVSTODISCVSSTHEGLORYOFROMEANDALLVIDEOGAMESTHATATTEMPTTOCAPTURETHATTHISMONTHSPVBLICBREADISPROVIDEDBYTHECAPITOLINEBROTHERHOODOFMILLERSTHEBROTHERHOODVSESONLYTHEFINESTFLOVRTRVEROMANREADFORTRVEROMANS
>>257157139
:)
>>257156873
>no european conquests except the odd island
>no conquest and absorption of arch rival into empire
not even close britfag.
>>257156914
No it wasn't.
It's only called that because it was under the banner of an Islamic empire, not because it had anything to do with religion.
Guys like Avicenna and Averroes had a big impact on western thought in the long run.
>>257156587
The HRE only exists because at the time, the true Roman Emperor, the Eastern Roman Emperor was actually an Empress, and the Pope thought well that can't really be the Roman Imperitor so he crowned Charlemagne Roman Emperor for consolidating power over most of Central Europe
>>257156873
That's an anachronistic map, those territories weren't held at the same time.
![RomeClaudia[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/YFaQv1M.png "RomeClaudia[1].png")
>>257156973
>not assigning specific dishes for specific foods and reusing that same dish over and over
>>257157139
Greece has literally never even won against Kebab
How is Greece superior to anything?
>>257157238
>dark ages
le 19th century scholarship face
The only place that had something even vaguely resembling that was Britain during the late 6th century after the writer Gildas.
>>257157417
Dat ass was my first vidya fap
>>257156864
Good luck getting game companies to accurately model late Roman armor and military formations accurately. It would disappoint and confuse too many people.
>>257157004
Can confirm this is true. Did my grandmothers family tree and got her back to Charlemagne. Also Alfred the Great.
>>257157505
>what is the Macedonian conquest of the entire Middle East
![swissjokes3[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/7Qo83XE.jpg "swissjokes3[1].jpg")
>>257155721
That's good anon. Now lets see you hold on to it.
>>257157352
Absorption of the Mughal and Maratha Empire and the conquest of 30% of the world's population not significant then?
>>257156587
Romans where the greatest force for good an civility Europe has ever seen.
The holy roman empire was a drunk german cosplay.
>>257157510
>Great depopulation of cities
>Decadence of the arts and sciences
>Demographic collapse
>Lack of central administration
>"wars" were a bunch of skirmishes between local warlords, large "wars" were slightly larger skirmishes between warlords called kings
Revisionist pls go
>>257157379
I think you're quoting the wrong post
>>257156873
Why didn't you own this country that's right in the middle of your territory if you're so great? Could it be that you're just taking other people's leavings? :))))):)):::)
>>257157505
>who is Themistocles
>who is Leonidas
>who is Alexander
>who is Justinian
>>257157376
>implying Charlie gave the pope a choice on who was getting crowned
>>257156660
mongol empire was great for trade you dingus and reminded eastern europe that cavalry charges are srs business since they somehow forgot after the huns
>>257157729
lol silly byzantine
there were no kebabs back then
neither islam nor the turks even existed
>>257158037
Eastern europe was much bigger on cavalry than western europe actually.
>>257158104
I assumed you were talking about Greeks and easteners generally. I'm not that guy.
>>257158026
But Justinian was the last Latin Emperor of the Eastern Empire.
>>257158037
Yeah it was great for trade routes that already existed for milennia. You know, the ones Alexander and his successors opened up in the first place.
>>257158008
The funny thing is that despite that Mozambique is in the Commonwealth, not joking
>tfw this is the closest we'll get to a /his/ board
it's a shame that any actual history board will boil down to 'hitler did literally nothing wrong'
>>257157505
0/10
>>257157807
no.
dying and decrepit empires that are already in terminal decline isn't impressive.
look at the Punic wars and point towards an equal or greater triumph that the Brits could compare it too.
>>257156141
god damn that game was awesome
>>257158036
Stuff i've read makes it appear that Charlemagne wasn't really that into the idea, that it was sort of sprung upon him by the Pope, Popes of that era were decadent as fuck and squabbling with local Italian and Lombard aristocrats, by coronating Charlemagne the Pope was getting Frankish support for his own bullshit power struggles in Italy.
>>257158445
I would say emerging victorious against the etruscans and samnites was much more impressive, but those are hardly mentioned in the history of rome.
>>257155721
So why did neither Alexander or Genghis Khan manage to conquer India?
>>257158328
If you filter the Holocaust threads /pol/s had some pretty good threads on Rome and Western Civ in general.
>>257158182
yh and they got shit by the huns and the mongols
>>257158310
trade doesn't work like that. new tech, new materials and new goods came back apparent due to genghis knwoing his trade and not being a greedy dick.
the mongols always tried to trade first but the chinese refused and got their shit pushed in and so did the persians.
>>257158669
Elephants
>>257158306
>probably Thracian
>ruled from Greece
>Orthodox as fuck
>Hagia Sophia
Eh he was basically Greek.
>>257157834
>implying
And I quote Salvian during the fall of the Roman empire.
>So as not to perish under public persecution, they go and seek Roman humanity among the Barbarians, as they can no longer support Barbarian inhumanity among the Romans.
>tfw standing on the other side of Hadrian's Wall in a field, wearing a skirt.
Get tae fuck Romans you big fucking girls.
>>257158445
>Maratha Empire
>Dying and decrepit
If the conquest of India was so easy why was only one of the Great Powers able to properly do it?
>Pondicherry
>Goa
>>257158669
>Alexander
His soldiers mutinied because they'd been marching for like 8 years by that point and they wanted to spend their back pay and fuck some women.
>Genghis Khan
India had a lot of fortified cities, elephants terrify horses
>>257158669
Because India is huge and geographically diverse as fuck. Plus their kingdoms were stronger than most people think.
>>257158328
In this case would be "Mussolini did nothing wrong"
>>257158721
The eastern europe at the time of the huns wasn't the same at the time of the mongols, mainly there were no slavs but other nomads and german tribes.
The huns shat on the germanic tribes and other nomadic tribes, wich pushed them westward and prompted the great migration
>>257157238
Except Milan because Milan fucking rocksto this day aswell
>>257158008
>wanting tainted goods
>>257158647
Bringing the latins to heel isn't really the beginning of the empire though, imho.
>>257158785
He was roman, we don't get to decide what a nation consider themselves.
There have been plenty of emperors from africa or even germany, no one considers them anything other than roman emperors.
>>257158479
> Popes at the time were decadent
Your thinking of the Church during the Renaissance. The Popes were the only unifying figure in Christendom. They kept all the squabling kings (whether under Charles the Great or not) and the Eastern Empire from falling into absolute chaos.
>>257158669
MOUNTAINS
FOLOWED BY JUNGLE
FOLLOWED BY ELEPHANTS
MIXED WITH VIRUS'S
AND THEN THEIR ARE THE NATIVE BUSH WOOKIES
in that order
ever since the greeks and Phoenicians discovered elephants they said don't fuck with the elephants
>>257159009
>Milan
Backstabbing traitorous assholes in M2TW, Milan a shit
>>257159164
It was more impressive because Rome was just a shitty city state, the samnite were famous warriors and the etruscans were already a developed kingdom
>>257158785
>greek
>meaning anything before the 19th century
>>257158985
>The eastern europe at the time of the huns wasn't the same at the time of the mongols, mainly there were no slavs but other nomads and german tribes.
>The huns shat on the germanic tribes and other nomadic tribes, wich pushed them westward and prompted the great migration
I know
>>257153958
ancient rome were corrupted and went to shit
fascism was corrupted and went to shit
italy is corrupter and is going to shi
no matter what italians can't into govermentsiamo comunque fottuti
i for one want a united state of europe and welcome our new germans overlords
Best and most unexpected Empire coming through
>>257159357
FUCK MILAN, those fucking backstabbers
>>257159416
I'm not saying it wasn't i'm just saying i don't consider it part of imperial rome.
>>257159430
>greek/byzantine
>def. various cultures that spoke greek
How is this not explanatory?
Liberators or traitors?
>>257157729
>Macedonian conquest
>Greece
you seem to be somewhat confused
>>257159546
>greenland
All that amazing land, it's a wonder they're not the richest country in the world yet.
>>257159724
>LOL it took XL of v II occidere me
>>257159293
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saeculum_obscurum
This is a little bit later but it was still pretty bad beforehand, it was only the Papal reforms of the 11th century that stopped the Papacy being complete shit.
Popes didnt stop people from killing each other until the 11th century with the Peace of God movement, before that it was robber barons slaughtering and pillaging everywhere.
>>257159546
you forgot new foundland
>Rome literally founds the western world and culture as we still know it today
>Mongols gave us some good yak-milking and archery tips, and lost everything they had in a single generation
yeah, Mongols fuckin rule dudes.
>>257159786
What? Macedon is Greek.
>>257159724
>I was just pretending.jpg
>>257158929
because the people of India has never met an Englishman or a jew before.
>>257159786
>Greek speaking people from Greece
>not Greek
>>257156873
>either barren lands or underdeveloped countriesto this day still
>english rifles vs crude weapons
>english "empire"
>worth a shit
May I remind you that you got your ass kicked by someone who VOWED NON-VIOLENCE
>>257159786
Ancient Macedonians were Greek.
Modern Macedonians are Slavs.
There was no Slavs in antiquity.
I'm not even Greek or Macedonian so there's no nationalist bullshit in this.
Welp, this thread has got me in the mood for some Empire building
Rome 2, Napoleon or Empire guys?
>>257159786
'Greece' was not a state or a nation, it was a cultural sphere. 'The Hellenic World'. Macedon was most certainly Hellenic going back into pre-history
![Genghis-Khan---Mongul-war-007[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8kFxUNf.jpg "Genghis-Khan---Mongul-war-007[1].jpg")
>>257159934
ghengis rules
>>257159786
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Iz4jNS4wC0
>>257160132
Medieval 2
>>257159947
>>257160048
megalomaniac shitskin greeks detected
>>257158929
And they managed to lose it without a fight!
>>257160201
It is my favourite Total War but I'm not really in the mood for that era
>>257160132
None of these. Rome 1, M2TW or Shogun 2
I am pissed off Rome 2 is such a fucking let down
Hegemony: Rome comes close as an actual Rome Total War successor.
Fuck CA
>>257160132
>Rome 2
how about no
>>257153848
So many lost hours in High School. So many Barbarian crushed. So many Legions lost.
>>257160232
What's next? You going to tell us that Italian speakers from Milan aren't Italian?
>>257160345
I thinks it alright, not as good as Shogun 2 but it's fine
>>257160132
Rome 1 with Mundus Magnus
Play as Julii master race, ignore Gaul for the most part, make a rush for Greece and Africa, cut off the expansion routes of the other Roman factions
>>257160309
Upgrade your toaster:)
Do you guys know some good total war let's plays? Thread got me in the mood, but I can't play myself right now.
>>257160191
>they lost because some dumbfucks didn't know shit about history
>>257160191
>he was born in pella
>pella is in modern greece
i hope these people where fucking reimbursed or compensated.
>>257160419
they're german
>>257160048
he just said a not-greece country tho.
>>257160048
Macedonians spoke their own language. Every piece of text from alexander's time asserts that they are different peoples by referring to them as "the macedonians and the greeks" and never includes them together. The belief that alexander was greek is modern and desperate.
>want to play Rome 1
>remember the completely inane and ahistoric dividing of Rome into 3 competing factions
isn't there like a mod or something to get rid of that
>>257160232
Are you retarded?
>dat feel when recreating alexanders empire
>>257149893
hello good sir. I've forgotten how to get webm vids to play sound. Would you be so kind as to tell me this bit of information. Thank you my friend.
>>257160465
>>257160465
You rustling jimmies bro.
You rustling them something fierce
>>257160686
How does combat work in these games?
>>257160686
Now show the religion map.
I have a great suspicion you did it the wrong way.
>>257160832
The correct question to ask is ...
How the fuck do you play that game.
>>257160832
it doesn't
>>257154542
Here's hoping forEastern Asia.
>>257160107
>>257160107
Show me ANY document that reconds greeks or greece before 1800s
Macedonia exists on every map and is mentioned as a people and a sovereign country and kingdom in all the relevant ones
Macedonia having anything to do with greek city states is a part of the idea to fit in the 'Hellenic'-based invention scholars had of the old world, like this greek chap tries to convince us so strongly -"It was all greeks" :^)
>>257160601
>At the time Pella was in Macedonia though
>>257160832
LOL
>>257160668
But it did add some interesting factors. It was at least semi realistic because the Triumvirates did that. Rome would be way OP without the civil war.
>>257160881git gud
>>257159430
Are you actually retarded?
>>257161049
This doesn't help
>>257160881
>>257160902
>>257160947
So what, there's no combat?
>>257160853
It's an old savegame but I can assure you it's Hellenic
are u guys cosplaying, is this cosplay. lol
>>257158968
but mussolini did nothing wrong for his time
>>257160913
They didn't even add India properly, I doubt they'd get China to work.
>>257161114
Its not the fact that there is no combat, its the fact the game isn't really a game
>>257160902
this x1000 vs x10 dice rolllol you lose
basically build an army stack move them and hope you make it to the place before the opposition army moves and then siege and wait for heaven to open up
it really really sucks
>>257161114
It's map painting simulator.
>>257161263
What?
>>257161114
You move your armies to provinces, that's it.
The combat isn't the focus.
>>257160654
>Macedonians spoke their own language
No, they spoke their own dialect of Greek.
Protip: Ionians, Athenians, Laconians, Thessalians, Corinthians, Macedonians and so on all spoke a different dialect. There was no standardized "Greek" until Koine.
Are there any mods that add or modify naval combat in the earlier games?
Rome is shit.
Renaissance Italy is where it's at.
Da Vinci is NEVER EVER a bad guy in videogames.
>>257161360
CK2 is actually really fun if you focus on the dynastic mechanics and try to ignore warfare
You can do all kinds of awesome stuff
>>257151792
>>257160654
Saying Macedon wasn't great is the same as saying Athens or Sparta weren't Greek.
>>257161114
Armies are drawn from your landed vassals and they move on the map, when two armies hostile to each other land on the same province their composition is used to calculate casualties and victory.
Example.
>>257161582
>great
I meant Greek.
>>257161515
the one thing about assceed that can never be taken away is how well they orchestrated and reinvented the renaissance period map wise.
we need more renaissance games
>>257160601
>>257160672
Macedonian within Turkey before 1912 and its partition in 1913 among victorious aggressors from the Balkan League: Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, and Albania
>>257161423
Not him mate but saying that macedonians are greeks is like saying that byzantines were greek.
Macedonians were macedonians, they had their own kingdom and both the greeks and macedonians saw themselves as different people, the byzantines never called themselves byzantines (it's a term made up by 16th century scholars) but romans wich inhabited part of the balkans and anatolia.
>>257161114
Not exactly....Think Hearts of Iron 3 without an Order of Battle or Width and that's CK2's combat in a nutshell.
>>257155036
>testudo
br, please go!
>>257161845
Athenians weren't Greek, they were Athenians.
>>257161845
Dude, Byzantine is literally a word for Medieval Greeks who were ruled from Byzantium
Byzantine is interchangeable with Greek
>>257152579
Oratory arts. Subtle but important shit, keep an eye on a politician making a speech-even today they do hand gestures.
>>257161845
Byzantines were Greek, they just called themselves Romans.
Macedonians considered themselves their own separate people AND Greek at the same time, just like Athenians considered themselves Athenians first and Greeks second. It really isn't that complicated. They had their own state but so did every other Greek polity.
>>257149554
wtf are UIDEO GAMES?
>>257161828
It's not hard to understand. Look up Partition of Macedonia in 1913. Before this period, "Greece" never had territories beyond Thessaly which they too annexed some years before
>>257154868
>VIII.2 (in the basilica); 1882: The one who buggers a fire burns his penis
Behold the wisdom of ancient times.
>>257161845
>saw themselves as different people
No, southern Greeks saw Macedonians as backwards chair-sitters, but they never once thought of them as non-Hellenic. They were never called barbarians, whereas Thracians and Illyrians often were.
>>257162069
That's wrong, also pointless.
>>257162167
>Byzantines were Greek, they just called themselves Romans.
No, they were Romans, you don't get to decide what a group of people identify themselves as.
The people living in San marino are pretty much the same as italians, yet they aren't italians because they don't consider themselves italians, it's not that hard.
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>>257158008
It's ironic you would use Great Britain to shit talk Rome, considering Rome made the British Isles something worth giving a shit about, gave them culture, and their ability to make things other than crude sticks, and shit huts.A lot of brits considered themselves the true heirs of the Roman Empire, also.
>>257162370
>not understanding the difference between political identity and cultural identity
>>257162370
>The people living in San marino are pretty much the same as italians, yet they aren't italians because they don't consider themselves italians, it's not that hard.
That's retarded, sammarinese are ethnic italians, who follow italian cultural traditions and speak the italian language
Saying they're not italian is stupid
>>257162567
actually that was thecelts
>>257162370
Romans were people from the city of Rome. People who lived under the Roman Empire labelled themselves Romans when given citizenship under Caracella's edict of 212.
Ethnically they were Greek, but they were part of what was still called Rome, so they called themselves Romans.
>mfw completing full Liberty tree with romans in Civ V
DAYUM SON
>>257162636
>Saying they're not italian is stupid
not in this argument, but you're stupid.
>>257159872
underrated post
>>257162708
Are you referring to the shit huts? Because I agree. Still though, everything else still stands.
>>257160419
Italian is a fake language made up in 1860. People from Milan spoke their local language, if I recall Piedmontese or Milanese. Each Italy area has its own fucking village language that other Italians can't understand (good luck listening to Sicilian).
>>257162834
Italy the state is not the same thing as the Italian people faggot
There are tons of Italians still living in Istria, who speak Italian regularly and follow Italian traditions
>>257162714
>Liberty.
>Not Empire.
Plebians, please leave.
>>257152579
Ars Oratoria
Look at Hitler's speeches, he did it too, and the people loved him.
>>257162606
What about cultural identity? Their culture was the roman one, their religion was the state religion of the roman empire.
Their political identity wasn't greek, I don't get what were you trying to say.
>>257162636
They're not italians.
>sammarinese
c'mon
>>257162713
It's a flawed argument, first of all, they were ethnically people from the balkans and middle east, saying they were greeks is extremely ignorant, setting that aside, nothing changed between the end of the western roman empire and the empire of justinian, the only real change was the affirmation of greek as the main language wich culminated in the 9th century.
>MMXIV
>POSTING PICTVRES FOR ANTS
>>257163016
italians rarely like each other and venicians hate everyone. it's a matter of time before they split or some shit
>>257163175
????
