ITT the absolute worst parts of otherwise good games
Pic fucking related
gitgud
>being this dumb
>being unable to wall jump
>when the three guys explain to you how
>>256312030
How did you ever get past the noob bridge?
>hating the part with adorable creatures singing a cute song then teaching you the most useful technique in the game
>>256312030
Walljumping is the most enjoyable skill in Super Metroid you fattie.
>>256312030
I'm sorry, but you're retarded.
Super Metroid is a perfect game, it literally doesn't have a single flaw.
>inb4 graphics
They're still good.
>inb4 walljumping
Stop being a pleb.
>inb4 it's too short
Are you serious?
>>256312030
Damn senpai if you can't wall jump properly then u need to step it up
>doing walljumps on keyboard
never ever again
>>256315164
Curiously I don't remember having any major problem with walljumping on keyboard
I do agree controller is infinitely better, though
It took me forever to realize I needed topower bomb the glass tube. The only part of Super Metroid that I had trouble with.
Shadow Warrior in zilla's castle with the two black charging demons with the breakable walls only they can break. Not to mention the room cramped as hell.
>>256315164
Figure out what to type and type it. ASD J SA J SD J
Annoying, but it works.
>>256315116
>clunky walljumping
>damage during shinespark
>shitty sprint mechanic
>reserve tanks existing
Nah, Super Metroid has flaws. Why, it's not even the best 2D Metroid.
>>256315513
>Shitty sprint mechanic
This is at least fixed by the control freak patch.
>>256312030
You know what, I'll agree OP. Every game has to have a worst part.
First time I was down there as a kid, it took me a bit to learn how to wall jump consistently. Then a bit longer to get all the way to the top instead of settling for the middle.
Can't think of another point as low. Even getting lost in Maridia is fun because you at least get to fight and explore.
>>256315150
I would fuck Jenny.
>>256315513
>reserve tanks existing
I don't see why they would be a flaw.
>>256312030
>forced tutorials
>>256315116
If only Metroid Prime didn't have that chozo artifacts bullshit and made the impact crater 8 timea bigger, it would be a perfect game along with Super Metroid.
>>256315513
zm and fusion have DOGSHIT physics. enjoy having samus control like a fucking rock when you can get her to do anything you want in sm.
>>256316014
yea just two zones for impact crater was too small of a zone.
>>256312030
Sewers on Bloodlines
The zombie part at the first true crime.
The shitty puzzle in Ys:Origins.
>>256312030
Am I the only one who just spamed the bombs to get to the top?
>>256315991
At least you canstab kids in the eyes.
>>256316258
Yes. Wall jumping is far easier.
>youll never wall jump like a god
>>256314876
Hikari pls
>>256312030
>not the quicksands in maridia
>>256317287
Why did you have to remind me?
>>256317132
Fuck off, Right, you fucking casual.
>>256315321
Same for me. Unlike the walljumping, pretty much nothing in the game indicates that this is possible. I'm pretty sure I figured it out by accident.
>>256312030
>this nigga thinks walljumping is hard
I guess you can't shinespark for shit either.
>>256317562
It actually gives you hint, in a very subtle way.
There's a broken glass tube in Maridia before the game forces you to go back in Brinstar next to the other tube.
>>256316834
That's a TAS, isn't it? Doing things like flipping slightly backwards into an attack you know already will be there to gain a small bump forward make it scream it, and shooting foes while inside of them makes it clear.
Is there even a single part of the game where you need the shinespark jump the Dachora teaches you?
>>256315116
How about
>having to go around bombing random tiles in order to actually progress in some parts
>>256315513
Actually none of those are problems
>>256318596
If you want to reach some expansion near your ship you need it
Objective fact coming through
>>256318596
There are a couple of items which cannot be obtained otherwise.
>>256318165
it is a tas but those damage boosts are used in regular runs.
>>256318165
Damageboosting isn't strictly TAS.
Folks like Zoast abuse it to high hell and beyond.
The precision on some of the shots while walljumping does seem to be indicative of it being a TAS, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKEwuHXGCVw
>>256318165
Yes, that's a TAS. This is from zoasty's 44:11 run.
>>256316834
>wall jumping is so easy, get gud scrub :)
>post TAS
>>256312030
>>256315116
>Mother fucking Maridia
I don't know how this isn't brought up more often. The absolute definition of terrible fucking water section and it lasts A THIRD OF THE FUCKING GAME.
And the music... Oh god that shitty music.
>>256321342
at least it has the easiest and quickest boss in the game
>>256321487
All the bosses in the game are really fucking easy. I'd rather have a hard boss than another easy one.
>>256316225
>The shitty puzzle in Ys:Origins
The one in the very beginning where you need the medallion/boost?
Tho I'm sure sime one has already said this GET GUD
>>256317562
>nothing in the game indicates this is possible
>the demo that plays if you wait in the main title showed Samus breaking that glass with the powrbomb
>>256322563
Plus you can clearly see the platforms on either side. Finding Kraids lair was much more difficult.
>>256312030
I figured out how to wall jump on my own, but yeah, it's probably the least fun part of the game, in that wall jumping just isn't very much fun regardless of whether you can do it or not. Of course, Super Metroid is so good that its worst part is still not all that bad in the grand scheme of things.
Also, what's up with the idea that the only reason somebody wouldn't like a part of a game is that it's too hard? It's entirely possible to hate a part because it's tedious or boring, not difficult.
>>256322685
That was what made me decide to try blowing it up. It just didn't seem likely they'd put stuff there that you couldn't interact with.
>>256315116
I could never get good at escaping the quicksand in Maridia. That might be more of a personal failing though.
All these grips about my favorite game of all time.
Why are people so bad at critical thinking?
I beat this game when I was fucking 7. Just a lower middle class black kid with no friends that lived to watch Toonami and play video games. Now, suddenly the world got an IQ nerf in the new generation patch. It's frustrating that my brain skips the trivial nonsense and gets to the solution where everybody else struggles with it daily. I'm just tired. Tired.
>>256322563
Nobody watches those.
>>256322563
Doesn't the glass tube have cracks in it?
>>256323663
actually no it doesnt
>>256322563
that part only plays after completing the game
>>256323170
There is no such thing as something being at one state through an entire game/movie/book if it's well made. It's supposed to fluctuate from highpoints scale down then back up again you're just taken aback because you have more to learn after getting the game down mere hours ago so the learning is something you're not willing to slow down for.
Maridia was far more annoying.
>>256312030
That's like, the best tutorial in all of gaming, the game teaches you something in the most out of the way and non-intrusive way possible.
It does take trial and error though, but eventually something's gotta give.
>>256324039
>Maridia
>bad
That shit had the most atmosphere in the game, and it's enemies were straight up freaky.
Bbuuuuttt, there are people that always get angry when one world feels different
>>256324390
its the layout and the platforming and water physics what not
maridia just isnt as good as the rest
not to mention those fucking sand sections
getting out of that shit is a huge pain in the ass
>>256324390
People don't dislike it solely because it was "different". They dislike it because of the horrible underwater jump physics, horrible level design, horrible quick sand and horrible music that drones on and on for hours. I actually experienced physical illness during Maridia. I'm not even joking.
>>256320392
more like
>you will never perform as good as a TAS
it's more of a meloncolic post rather than an attack of some sort. /v/ is so defensive these days.
>>256315321
If I remember correctly, that only works outside the tube, right?
>>256324048
And then Justin Bailey was a tired housewife.
>>256324741
no it works inside to
thats how i always get in there
>>256315321
>go through here
>notice small platform outside the glass
>"I bet I can get out there somehow"
>try various things
>"probably something i'll get to do later"
>get power bomb
>come back
>destroy the shit out of the tube
This was on my first ever playthrough too
You dumb
some emulators do weird stuff with the wall jump, that's why people have trouble. if you go back and play it on snes it just werks, but emulated it can be kinda wonky.
>>256315116
That's not true. It has very very few flaws.
>using select to toggle through the top menu was annoying and usually interrupted the flow of gameplay
>having a dedicated button for running wasn't necessary since you're holding it down all the time anyway
>it would have been better with an actual final boss fight
>>256324590
>>256324652
I guess my taste is just different, the music makes that atmosphere which I love. And having to deal with quicksand and confusing level design is the challenge of the whole thing. This is a game about exploration after all, but I understand that people draw the line at some things.
>>256324652
>They dislike it because of the horrible underwater jump physics
was easy once you got used to it though?
>horrible level design
what was bad about it?
>and horrible music that drones on and on for hours
maridia had the best music though you fuck
>>256325096
The problem is that its all just really annoying to deal with
its not that bad if you know what you are doing but things like the sand pushing you down in the sand segmants and parts of the level where you almost have to know where to shoot the grappling hook make it incredibly irritating to go through for most people on early playthroughs
>>256324798
Huh, I swore that when I replayed the game, I couldn't get it to work inside, hence you can't get into Maridia early since the tube is well before that segment of the game, maybe I was just doing it wrong tho.
>>256325384
its a really stupid idea to get in there early unless you are good at sequence breaking but yeah you totally can
>>256324652
>horrible
>horrible
>horrible
>horrible
Could you be more specific? Do you have another word?
The underwater jump physics are completely manageable once you get used to them. You can even use them to your advantage once you git gud.
Saying the level design is horrible is just subjective until you say which parts are badly designed. I'd say it's at least on par with the rest of the game.
The quicksand, like the jump physics, is only a detriment if you're not good. You shouldn't be getting stuck in quicksand at any point after your first playthrough.
And the horrible music is, again, subjective. I like the music.
>>256315321
>exit wrecked ship the intended way instead of back tracking
>come across an already broken tube
>think about other tube
>drop payload on tube
I figured this out when I was four. No excuses.
>>256324824
I'm playing it on Wii U and it's a bitch and a half to pull off.
>>256325498
Well damn, something like that has to be intentional sequence breaking, but that's fucking massive. Not sure if nintendo even thought it would be useful for more than a sneak peak.
>>256323809
I can't count the amount of times I've played through Super Metroid, there is no question I am completely capable of wall jumping, and learning how to do it hasn't been an issue since the first time. But that part is always the least fun section of the game time and time again. It's just not a very fun activity.
Like, imagine Super Metroid, or any game for that matter, had you stop and count gravel at one part instead. Is it a confusing goal? No. Hard to learn? No. Particularly difficult? No. Fun? Also no. Gravel counting would be the worst part of the game for reasons that had nothing to do with being difficult to do and/or learn. Similarly, wall jumping is also just not a very fun activity. I can nail it your first try and all that means is that good, I got that part over with faster.
>>256324652
Actually, I liked its music alright and as far as overall feel goes, its my favorite part of the game. Regarding the slooowww water stuff though, yeah, I could do without that.
>>256325898
i think it was ment to fuck with people because if its your first playthrough and you do that too early then its hard as shit to get out
especially since you have to go through that tube a few times before getting the gravity suit
>>256314876
>Explain
>Guys
They're animals for one
and they don't explain shit they just do it which implies you can do it but it doesn't telly ou how.
>>256316258
I didthen fall to the bottom again by mistake
>>256318792
>>256315513
>>256315116
Walljumping is a huuuuuge problem. but the rest aren't. It's clunky as shit when the rest of teh game is so smooth.
>>256326282
Is this your first time playing a 2D Metroid?
>>256326410
wall jumping isnt that bad
its not even that fimmicky its just really precise and you dont even NEED it
the only place its required is not only optional but little critters show you how to do it
>>256326096
First of all, wall-jumping is a skill, counting gravel is not.
Second, saying you have to "stop and count gravel" is a horrible analogy. That's a rote task which interrupts gameplay. Wall-jumping is a means of locomotion.
Seriously, you are being a bitch about this. After a few playthroughs you should be down the tunnel, get the the energy tank, get the super missile tank, walk past the etecoons and be back on your way in under sixty seconds.
>>256326551
>wall jumping isnt that bad
It is.
Like you said it is precise, extremely precise.
>the only place its required is not only optional but little critters show you how to do it
In a game about exploration?
Yeah, no.
>>256326715
get out millennial scum
>>256326715
i think there is like a missle tank or two down there and again the fact that its precise (not extremely precise just enough to have to get used to) doesnt mean its bad
>>256312030
People had trouble with this?
I hope this isn't an "I was only pretending to be retarded" moment because shit's basic as fuck. I can wall-jump vertically up one wall.
>>256326518
Dude, what?
It's a fucking flaw. it doesn't even tell you jack shit how to do it, this isn't an "It's old so it can pass!" sort of thing. They could have at least put a tutorial or an explanation in the controls menu.
This is a game mechanic that is mandatory for the game but it doesn't tell you anything about it besides that "you can do it".
>>256326715
>Yeah, no.
Yeah, actually. Every other part of the map can be accessed without the wall-jump, with the exception of the etecoon tunnel. Wall-jump is just another way to get around the map. It's not required.
>it is precise, extremely precise
I think it's becoming apparent what your actual problem with the wall-jump is. Git gud.
>>256326896
>precise (not extremely precise just enough to have to get used to) doesn't mean its bad
It is extremely precises though, it's a clunky mechanic that they should have simplified or just mapped it to a button.
>>256326096
The section was made to teach wall jumping just another skill you have to apply to get out. Also it's one room after which you never have to go back into it. I understand if you don't like it anon but I find it fun it's a vertical room filled with walljumping fun that takes less than a minute 2 tops to get out of. If this room is tedious wouldn't shooting the robots in the wrecked ship suffer the same judgement? Wouldn't the same be said about traversing the lava in Norfair riding the small jet-powered platforms to get the ice beam?
My point is if lack of fun is a legit complaint then I find it hard to understand how you enjoyed several other rooms in the game.
I'm sorry that I can't sympathize.
>>256326949
>mandatory for the game
No, it's not.
And they SHOW you how on screen.
>>256326949
>tutorial
>explanation
get out
>>256327010
There are mutliple powerups and even a bit that's required to use the wall jump.
This is a game about exploration, you're telling us to ignore a shitty mechanic because it's optional.
>I think it's becoming apparent what your actual problem with the wall-jump is
Are you a souls faggot by chance?
>>256326949
Egoraptor plz.
>>256326949
Well you see most people are not dumb and realize that this unnatural thing that doesnt show up anywhere else in the game might be a hint on getting the fuck out of the area
Jesus Christ random block tunnel.
>>256326949
Did you have trouble learning to shinespark as well?
I played this game when it first came out, and yes it took some time to realize what was happening and that I needed to wall jump, but cmon it is pretty damn obvious and you are just being obtuse.
>>256326937
THIS
I emulated the game on my wii for another playthrough just three days ago with a gamestop brand gamecube controller. Even jumped up the shaft several times because the stick makes midair morphballing a hassle.
>>256327118
Yes it is. and they don't show you jack shit. They show three little crittersdoing it. which says nothing besides "you can do it!" might as well tack on "But you need to figure out this really weird combinations and actions to execute it."
It's a terrible mechanic.
>>256327165
>multiple power ups
>and even a bit that's required
Could you be more specific?
I've been playing this game for twenty years. Believe me, describe a room and I'll know exactly what you're talking about. If you're confident you're right, just say which parts.
>are you a souls faggot
Never played them, I've heard nice things.
>>256327118
>And they SHOW you how on screen.
Did we play the same game?
They jump on the wall, hold it for a second, and then jump off.
You jump, kinda spin around the side, and if you're lucky you'll get to jump off.
>>256327165
I can think of one area that requires the wall jump and thats the area in which you are shown how to use it
not to mention the mechanic isnt shitty you are just bad at using it
>>256327150
>Slap the button combination on the controls mapping menu like the game already does
You should be able to map it anyway.
The whole thing seems like a last minute addition
>>256327267
>Yes it is
Seriously, it's not. Saying something incessantly does not make it true. You don't need the wall jump except for the ONE part.
>>256315116
It's close to being flawless, but locking Samus in Tourian was irritating when I wanted to go back and scavenge for 100%.
When she dies at the end
>mfw I did that part with touch screen controls
Step up senpai
>>256327304
You just described how they show you.
>>256312030
You should be crying about the sand pits instead, faggot
I actually stopped playing there
>>256327248
Hell is pretty easy (before Ballos anyway) as long as you take it slow. Don't expect to get under 10 minutes though if you aren't gonna burn through it.
>>256327304
actually its you jump
then when you hit the wall you press the button in the opposite direction (samus will make an animations showing shes ready to jump off like the criters) then press the jump button
>>256327253
>Did you have trouble learning to shinespark as well?
No because it's far easier and more intuitive than wall jumping is.
>>256327248
>implying the worst part isnt the sand zone
>>256327267
I've beaten the game several times without going in that room or walljumping as a youngun you are just bad at independent learning and critical thinking. You have no legit complaint besides "it's not fun". We both and the rest in this thread know you are bullshitting.
>>256327253
>Did you have trouble learning to shinespark as well?
No I didn't. It was a very easy power up to learn how to use. Literally the only thing that gave me trouble in all of Super Metroid was the walljump.
>>256327285
>Could you be more specific?
Energy tanks, missile tanks and the like. Nothing major but in a game that stresses exploration it has an extremely shitty bit of gameplay.
>>256327309
No, it's a really shitty mechanic. Just because it's bad doesn't mean it can't be used properly. IT just means it's shit and ruins the flow of the game by adding a frustratingly difficult type of movement that is retardedly precise.
>>256318596
You have to use it if you want to beat the game without fighting Crocmire
>>256326715
>Like you said it is precise, extremely precise.
No it's not. After you turn away from the wall, you have about 1/4 of a second to press the jump button. Wall jumping is very easy, you're just really bad at video games.
>>256327372
>Saying something incessantly does not make it true.
Exactly, saying walljump wasn't an extremely bad and out of place mechanic over and over isn't going to make it true.
>>256327706
actually speed runners use wall jumping (consistantly i might add) to go faster in the game
not to mention you still cant name any parts of the game where its actually necessary
in fact you can probably 100 percent the entire game without using it if you just wait to get the space jump
>>256327706
>Just because it's bad doesn't mean it can't be used properly. Actually if its a bad mechanic then it cant be used properly. it just sounds like YOU cant use it properly and are just calling it shit
>>256327706
SPECIFIC. Which ones. Which ones absolutely require the wall-jump to get there?It's none of them because you get the space jump later in the game you complete moron.
>>256327643
>We both and the rest in this thread know you are bullshitting.
Or the fact that you're a bunch of nostalgic fanboys who can't admit the game has a flaw.
>You have no legit complaint besides "it's not fun".
It's clunky and extremely precise compare to the rest of the controls, it has a much too high skill ceiling and the part where it "explains" it to you isn't anything but a bunch of critters immitating the movement of walljumping when ALL the other controls are explained to you.
Insulting and demeaning me isn't going to change the fact it's a shitty mechanic.
ITT: Dipshits who can't walljump and will never know how fun Super Metroid is
>>256327934
shine sparking is explained to you in the exact same manner but i dont see you bitching about that
again you havent explained why its a bad mechanic other then "I cant do it"
>>256327724
>No it's not.
Yes it is. You jump towards the wall and then simultaneously jump again while moving or pressing the opposite direction on the D-pad. The only game I've ever seen require that much precision for something so minor was fighting games.
>>256327832
>not to mention you still cant name any parts of the game where its actually necessary
The part where the game explains it to you.
>in fact you can probably 100 percent the entire game without using it if you just wait to get the space jump
You can't.
>>256327920
>Game about exploration
>Has a shitty mechanic
>YOU DON'T NEED TO USE IT!!!
Yeah, naw. It was a shitty mechanic.
>>256327706
I'm starting to think you are a hypochondriac and blow things way out of proportion. It's literally an extra shown tutorial like the shinespark bird to teach you advanced maneuvering.
>>256327832
So it's a wonky mechanic that only works if you learn how to deal with the fact that it isn't well designed enough to actually telegraph to the player how to pull it off in the short amount of time you have to do it and is completely pointless and outclassed by an item you can get later? Am I reading this right?
>>256328042
That's because it actually works the exact same way the animal shows you. You go fast, hold down, and jump. Wall jumping doesn't. You touch the wall and hope it lets you jump instead of just falling back down.
>>256328142
so explain to me why you wouldnt be able to just go get space jump and come back to do the only single part in the game that "requires" wall jumping.
>>256328282
So does wall jumping
you run up to a wall
jump against it (keep in mind like the animals you have to be flipping)
hit the opposite direction on the d pad
then jump again
its the exact same as they do it
>>256328018
Beat the game, learned to wall jump. It was a shitty mechanic and took away from the game's quality for how retarded it was.
>>256328042
Because shinespark doesn't require retarded button inputs.
>You get shinespark power up
>Animal starts running (Which is shown to you in the controls mapping menu)
>Then he lights up and shinesparks
and then there is walljumping
>Start out with wall jumping
>No indication it's in game or how to use it except for some areas and an animal that uses it
>Requires precise button inputs
>>256327934
>it's clunky and precise
Okay what.
The sandpits in Maridia are worse.
>jump towards a wall
>jump away towards the opposite wall
>repeat
>>256328157
no you are actually adding a shitload on to it so you can feel like you are right
the mechanic is fine and its not necessary its just there to help you explore a little bit more in the early game but if you are a huge bitch (which apparently you are) then you can wait till the very end of the game so you dont have to learn how to do something thats only kind of hard
>>256328150
The shinesprk bird is fucking obvious as you JUST got the shinespark powerup.
plus it was progressive, he ran so I ran, Running is an explained mechanic. and then shinespark happened.
Walljump on the other hand gives you no indication of what buttons you're suppose to press and is retardedly precise to the point of making me quit for days before going back and beating the game.
>>256328553
>no indication of what buttons to press
>the critters dont jump
>the critters dont then jump in the opposite direction
Beak-bombing in Banjo Kazooie, fuck that shit.
>>256327934
What makes the controls clunky it's 80% timing at best.
>ALL the other controls are explained to you
Since when? The game drops you in and has you learn by experimentation.
It's like complaining that typing on a keypad is too hard and clunky after learning the alphanumeric keys. There was a time when learning a game didn't stop after the first level.
>>256328305
Because wouldn't that be sequence breaking?
The game is a puzzle of different shit, you could argue that most of the stff is optional but it doesn't mean that a certain one isn't complete and utter shit and there are parts in the game clearly intended for you to use it and get 100%
>>256312030
I mastered wall jumping when I was 10. It only took like a half hour of trying over and over again
>all this talk about walljump being clunky
Speaking of clunky, did anybody actually ever play with moonwalk on?
>>256326282
They jump to the wall, face away, and jump off the wall. What more do you want? Literally just mimic what they did with your controls.
>>256326715
You could bomb jump instead.
>>256328397
>hit the opposite direction on the d pad
I didn't know animals could do that.
I didn't even know they had a D-pad.
>>256328413
It's clunky because it's precise. You need a specific button input that you have to guess from the animals in front of you.
>>256328695
>>Because wouldn't that be sequence breaking?
no you dumbshit sequence breaking would mean you had to go to an area you werent ready for like beating madridia without the gravity suit
you can beat the entire game without using wall jumping up until the space jump numbnuts
>>256328860
>the animals look in the opposite direction when they jump
>samus does the exact same thing after jumping against a wall and pressing the dpad in the opposite direction
you are just pretending to be stupid right?
>>256328680
Literally what.
The first time I did it I sat there for a good hour trying to imitate their movement to no success.
>>256328693
>Since when? The game drops you in and has you learn by experimentation
Literally in the main menu and in the pause menu there is a controls option where you can map controls.
>It's like complaining that typing on a keypad
No, it's like complaining that a bad mechanic is in the game and people are defending it because "Muh retardedly difficult move in an otherwise easy game.
>>256328553
>Walljump on the other hand gives you no indication of what buttons you're suppose to press and is retardedly precise to the point of making me quit for days before going back and beating the game.
They teach you just as obvious as the bird. Jump to a wall then jump away from the wall from there it's simply timing. At this point I question your rhythm.
>>256329139
>literally
>literally
i'm fucking done with your retardation
>>256327934
>it has a much too high skill ceiling
>skill ceiling
I know this guy is just baiting people but why have so many people been using "skill ceiling" incorrectly on /v/ lately
the implication here, as stated, would be that walljumping allows skilled players to get TOO GOOD at the game compared to lesser skilled players
>>256318951
>flying levels
True for so, so many games.
>everything online says to look for certain frames of sprites to know when to jump
>they only appear after I hit jump and am starting to fall
Is this game just broken (playing on my Wii U VC) or am I that fucking bad.
>>256328845
>They jump to the wall, face away, and jump off the wall. What more do you want?
How about something that's actually explained like everything else in the entire game? Or better yet, a mappable control because fuck you for wanting a stupid mechanic to be made easier.
>You could bomb jump instead.
Doesn't efffect how retarded orr clunky wall jump is.
>>256312030
Are you fucking serious? How can anyone suck that badly?
>>256329310
>a mappable control
this is in the game
your idiot is showing
>>256329139
The control do not teach Shinesparking or Shinesparking at an angle using L and R.
The controls didn't teach using your ammunition to heal yourself. Controls didn't teach you how to space jump nor did they teach you how to bomb jump. Face it you're full of it and need your hand held throughout a game made for the thinking man. I am fighting hard to avoid the "C" word sir/madam.
>>256312030
Y Cant Metroid Crawl? :-(
>>256328695
>Cant do the most simple tech in the game because "its too hard, the controls are shit"
>Says it's sequence breaking if you have an item that obliterates this
You have to be either
Underage
That fucking terrible at games
or all of the above
>babby seeks validation
>rightfully gets shat on for over 100 posts
>doesn't give up
well, I applaud your perseverance, but you also just suck. I don't typically resort to ad hominem, but there's really not much more to it. The controls work fine and it's common sense, but you just can't get it.
>>256328883
>you can beat the entire game without using wall jumping up until the space jump numbnuts
The section it's explained to you is a required sequence. It's still a shitty mechanic regardless.
>>256328981
Of course you're assuming everyone has extensively tested Samus' jump and how it is effected by ramming into a wall mid jump.
>>256329151
>They teach you just as obvious as the bird.
No they don't. They mimic the movement, a lot of which you're likely to ignore unless you pay extremely close attention to Samus' movements.
>>256329258
Entry level or whatever
>Baiting
Stop. It's a bad mechanic you nostalgia driven retard.
>>256315116
Zero Mission is better
>>256329309
Not bad, it's just a bad and stupid mechanic.
>>256329448
No wall jumping.
>>256329625
Because a ball is much easier to animate.
>>256329712
Christ, this guy is pathetic.
>>256329618
Every other secret in this game works fine. Shinesparking works fine. Crystal flash works fine. Wall jumping is finicky as shit and stop defending it. If you like it, whatever. Don't pretend it isn't a fucking nightmare to master in comparison to literally everything else in the game though.
>>256329825
>jump to wall
>press away from wall and jump
>repeat
>OMG SO FUCKING HARD THAT SKILL CEILING
please
>>256329618
>These extremely easy few button press mechanics are comparable to a stupid and precise mechanic that is given to you before the game even starts.
>>256328553
You didn't get the shinespark powerup, you got the speed booster which at that point just makes you run faster.
The bird runs, then ducks to activate the shinespark and jumps.
If anything the bird is LESS obvious than such a simple act of wall jumping that most players will do by accident on their 1st playthrough.
>>256329642
1:) It's not the most simple technique in the entire game
2:)Literally the only bit of SM that gave me any sort of trouble first time playing
Calling me underage and terrible at video games wont make it a not shit mechanic.
ITT the absolute worst parts of otherwise good games
Pic fucking related
>>256329712
>The section it's explained to you is a required sequence. It's still a shitty mechanic regardless.
no it isnt
what the fuck are you talking about
>>256329936
Did I say it had a fucking skill ceiling? There's more than one person in this thread, ass-for-brains.
And yes, it is "SO FUCKING HARD." It barely works.
>>256330093
"I can't do it" doesnt mean it barely works it just means you are bad at video games
>>256329663
>. The controls work fine and it's common sense, but you just can't get it.
They don't though. It requires near frame perfect execution. It's a really bad mechanic in comparison to the rest of the game. Especially for something you have since the beginning
>>256329448
This is /v/, what did you expect.
I mean OP can't even wall jump in Super Metroid.
>>256330053
>If anything the bird is LESS obvious than such a simple act of wall jumping that most players will do by accident on their 1st playthrough.
How the fuck are you this dumb
The bird runs, you run. The bird ducks, you duck. The bird jumps, you jump. It works.
The monkeys jump into a wall, you jump into a wall. They cling to the wall, you just kinda hit it. They jump off, you fall back down or if you get really lucky with the timing (it is not telegraphed in any way a player can actually notice unless they spend more time learning it than they should on an entire playthrough) jump off.
>>256318237
Water levels blow.
>>256330263
they dont just cling to the wall retard they look in the opposite direction
anyone with a brain would know what that means
>>256330078
The tutorial is pretty shit in MMX though. I dread replaying it because it's just not fun.
>>256328142
>You jump towards the wall and then simultaneously jump again while moving or pressing the opposite direction on the D-pad.
That is incorrect. You turn away before jumping.
see:
>>256327520
>then when you hit the wall you press the button in the opposite direction (samus will make an animations showing shes ready to jump off like the criters) then press the jump button
You're doing it wrong and blaming the game. Cry more, scrub.
>>256330093
If it barely works then you wouldn't be able to do this consistently.
>>256329825
>>256329960
Nintendo I am so sorry you had high hopes for us but only very few had the skill and intelligence to measure up. This is why Skyward Sword was a slow ass tutorial for the majority of the game and why titles like W101 get overlooked. Our nation is comprised of a 6th grade level of intuition.
>>256330093
>vehemently believes simple game mechanic is hard and broken rather than face the fact that he just sucks
A psychology would have a field day with you.
>>256330364
it has a great theme though
>>256329813
>this guy is pathetic.
Again, not proving it's a not shit mechanic.
>>256330053
>If anything the bird is LESS obvious than such a simple act
Yet somehow The shinespark didn't get an entire thread with multiple people calling it a shit mechanic.
Literally anything could be found by accident but the wall jump is just retardedly difficult and unweildy in comparison to the rest of the powers given to you in game.
>>256330363
>look in opposite direction
>fall off wall and start going down
Yeah that works wonderfully.
You've got like maybe a quarter of a second at best. You either get lucky are you get autistic.
>>256330239
>it requires near frame perfect execution
lol no
>>256330090
Yes it is
You have to shinespark through to clear the hallway but the ground is booby trapped.
>>256330078
Wall jumping in MMX works fine because the designers for that game weren't balls retarded. You just cling and hit the jump button. There's no such clinging in SM so it's a goddamn chore to pull it off.
>>256330532
I'm sorry you have such bad reaction time. You should think about getting tested for Parkinson's. I say this because I genuinely care about your well-being
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Oh gee this Gunstar Super Heroes game is pretty fun
>>256315321
my first time was like a year ago after everyone had complained about this tube
but the wall jumping was so fucking easy. I laughed when my roommate fucked it up at least a dozen times
>>256330532
>he's so casual he can't press left/right and A in the right sequence
>>256330467
Wonderful 101 is one of my favorite games from last year. I play it all the time. Skyward Sword was fucking boring easy baby shit. I know how to play games. Wall jumping is shit in super metroid.
>>256330420
>That is incorrect. You turn away before jumping.
Oh well, it's just a stupid and unmemorable mechanic except for the fat it was retardedly difficult.
Keep trying to prove it's not a shitty mechanic your doing a terrible job.
>>256330532
its not like she has a special animation or anything
>>256330630
it's easier, yes, but that doesn't mean there's anything wrong with SM's. It's a more advanced technique than the usual jumping and shooting.
>>256316014
Prime isnt even best 3d metroidThey're both as close to perfect as any game is gonna get
>>256330472
>A psychology
learn to write.
>>256330758
>its shitty becuase i cant do it
you keep saying it but you cant explain why its bad
its not that precise
its not that hard to figure out
you are just dumb
>>256330467
Played W101 beat it on hard working on the bottle caps now.
Walljumping is a shit mechanic.
>>256330570
Quality post.
>>256330758
>Oh well, it's just a stupid and unmemorable mechanic except for the fat it was retardedly difficult.
Just admit that you're a scrub so we can be on our way.
the aliens guys literally show you exactly what to do. If you can't figure it out in 15 seconds you're truly lost. It's not like they're asking you to do single-wall-jumps or infinite bomb jumps or any of that.
>>256330681
>I'm sorry you have such bad reaction time.
I play rhythm games all the time and wreck shit in them. My reaction time is perfectly fine. Wall jumping is a shitty mechanic.
>>256330760
>>256330730
>>256330681
>Only defence is "git gud" or calling him bad
Dude, it's a bad mechanic.
I love super but HOLY SHIT, stop.
>>256331032
What else is there to say? He's wrong and he just sucks, end of story. He's not willing to admit he sucks and rather blame a perfectly functioning game mechanic.
>>256330889
I did do it you retard.
I did it multiple times, I used it on ever section I was suppose to because I'm anal about collecting shit in the game before progressing.
It's precise as shit because it requires frame perfect input and timing, it's hard to figure out, I didn't even know samus could hang on walls before that, and it's a terrible mechanic.
>>256331032
>only defence is claim people are telling him to get gud
its not even that he cant do it its just that he is too stupid to figure out how the game perfectly explains how to do it and the only thing being said is "I CANT DO IT SO ITS BAD"
>>256331132
Or maybe, HEY MAYBE HERE'S AN IDEA. Maybe the mechanic just sucks.
>>256330939
Dude, it's a bad mechanic. You can insult me all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's annoying and awful.
>>256331225
>frame perfect timing
dude there is like a 2 second window to fucking do it dont give me any of your bullshit
>>256331132
The mechanic is shit, though. I had 0 problem for most of the game, except for walljumping which is fucking retarded.
Super metroid can't have flaws or something?
>>256331225
it is not 'frame perfect' you FUCKING moron
>>256331342
how is it a bad mechanic
again you keep saying its a bad mechanic but your only defence is "its clunky and precise" which
1. its not clunky at all
2. precise doesnt make it bad
>>256331132
>He's not willing to admit he sucks and rather blame a perfectly functioning game mechanic.
>perfectly functioning
Look. I love Super Metroid. Wall Jumping is really good when you get it down. But it is not "perfectly functioning." It requires way, way too much precision and is generally a nightmare to even learn nevermind master. If you think it's "perfectly functioning" you're either a troll or one of those self-absorbed people that thinks anybody who isn't as good as you is a small child who can't do anything right.
>>256331356
>dude there is like a 2 second window
No there isn't, it's less than a second.
>>256331443
It is. You have to time it perfectly just to notfall off the wall, the window is tiny as shit.
>>256330928
>>256330751
There are more complex mechanics in W101 than this damn walljump mechanic. Why is it so hard for you?
>>256312030
just like jump wall
how fat are your fingers?
>>256331487
just because its precise doesnt mean its not functioning
and again its completely optional to begin with
>>256331443
It really kind of is. You can only do it when Samus is doing specific sprites and they last maybe ten frames at absolute most.
>>256331427
It has flaws but that isn't one of them. It functions perfectly fine. Jump to wall, point away and jump again, repeat.
OP you do know you can wall jump between two walls right? You don't have to single wall jump, it's not hard at all.
>>256331524
dude there is like 30 fucking frames to hit the button
seriously it has a huge window
>>256329712
You, sir, are a disgrace.
>>256331536
Because it's fucking garbage and barely works?
It is objectively easier to juggle an enemy in Wonderful 101 than it is to walljump in super metroid.
>walljumping
i actually started playing super metroid for the first time awhile ago. walljumping isn't really that bad, although getting past that part took a few tries. i'll admit that i got totally fucking lost trying to find kraid (i had no idea that wall in the elevator room was bombable), and the angle shinesparking thing was something i wasn't really aware of either. but you kinda just figure it out after a bit of slamming all the buttons on your controller at once, its not as bad as most of you are making it out to be.
>it's too precise! it's wonky!
So because a technique requires some modicum of, well, technique, it's therefore wonky?
Dantooine in KotOR 2, such a disappointing and buggy mess.
>>256331601
Saying it's optional doesn't mean it isn't bad. Sparkshining is optional but nobody complains about it because hey guess what, it isn't badly designed. It works in a way that makes sense and doesn't require you to learn perfect, precise timing. There's a reason they added the ability to grab ledges in Zero Mission, it's because wall jumping is fucking shit.
>>256331458
>1. its not clunky at all
>2. precise doesnt make it bad
It is clunky, and it's extremely precise. Compared to literally every other mechanic given to you, ESPECIALLY ones that you start out with it's a retardedly difficult one to use. It requires more button inputs than anything else in the game and requires you to do them perfectly.
>>256331536
Because in W101 most mechanics are explained to you in ways it knows it's played can figure out.
Wall jumping is just slow and clunky compared to the rest of the mechanics in super.
>>256326949
>It's a fucking flaw.
THAT'S WHAT YOUR MOM SAID ABOUT THE CONDOM THAT RESULTED IN YOUR BIRTH
OHHHHHHHHH NO HE DI'INT NO HE DI'INTYES HE DID
>>256331716
>Because it's fucking garbage and barely works
no it isnt
the only person who cant do it consistantly is you
>>256331674
>It has flaws but that isn't one of them.
Yes and no.
Walljumping is probably it's biggest flaw.
>>256331692
Does Super even run at 30 frames?
>>256331702
Keep those insults coming. Not accomplishing anything.
>>256331794
Is it really technique if it is entirely trial and error based around learning to find visual cues that barely exist?
>>256331225
In the time you've spent bitching about how hard it is to do on the internet you could've figured out how to do it in game already.
>>256331834
i never said it wasnt bad because its optional
im saying its not bad because its precise.
its a perfectly functioning mechanic that can help you explore and can be done consistantly
there is nothing bad about it
>inb4 its bad cause i cant do it
>>256331939
It's not an insult, anon, it's just a fact. But since you took it as an insult, I can see you're ashamed of it.
>>256331905
>>the only person who cant do it consistantly is you
I couldn't either.
It's a shit mechaniic, anon.
>>256331836
>>256331716
Walljumping works 100% of the time you she does not walljump it's the fault of the player not the game.
>>256312030
Remember when Metroid was good?
Then it went on hiatus for 10 years and came back as a shitty Zelda clone.
I wonder how they're going to rape this series next time?
>>256327608
Man I'm trying to do hard mode onCS+and I'm getting my shit stomped by Monster X.
>>256332012
So you're saying it doesn't matter that it's bad because it's optional.
And it is bad because it's precise. Or more accurately, because it's far too precise. You can't be expected to pull it off on a consistent basis unless you spend like half an hour just learning it. Nothing else in this game takes even a minute to figure out.
>>256331990
>that barely exist
that's just plain wrong
>trial and error technique
yeah, for the first 10 seconds after they demonstrate it while you quickly figure out how it works based on exactly what they showed you
>>256331880
At least he isn't Agent9
>>256331993
I know how to do it in game. like I've said multiple times I've beat Super metroid, I've used it plenty of times, but it doesn't change the fact that it's a terrible mechanic.
I'm not calling it bade because I don't know how to use it. IT's bad because it's bad.
>>256332018
>it's just a fact.
Like the fact that it's a terrible mechanic.
>>256332049
No one is saying it's broken, anon. It's just a bad mechanic. Bad games can work fine but it doesn't mean they're goo games for working.
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