SOUL OF THE MIND, KEY TO LIFE'S ETHER...
>>256038094
i want to stick muh dick in her
>>256038094
SOUL OF THE LOST, WITHDRAWN FROM ITS VESSEL...
>>256038094
This is just so much better than:
> lest
> lest
> lest
>>256038094
This isnt because of the Vidya lines thread is it?
Also i just seen a great ass Dynamic Nexus theme for ps3.
Wonder why I never seen it before
>>256038295
BEAR
SEEK
SEEK
LEST
Would you play a Garl Vinland focused game?
Still Souls
Just no custom character.Id fight for the maiden
>>256038712
Of course.
> fighting demons in the swamp
> all for the maiden
> unrequited love, because she is too devoted to her cause
> lose mind and soul because of her
Fuck.
>>256038094
I was replaying demon souls yesterday. It's amazing how fucking good the atmosphere is.
>>256038094
i think you mean
SOUL OF TEH MIND, KEY TO LAYFE'S ETHAH
>>256040570
>there will never be a PC port of Demon's souls that does away with the hub world allowing for free roaming to all areas (along with newly added areas).
Also...how did they get Dark Souls II so wrong?
Instead of being oriented to player skill, it's just oriented to making you frustrated (with little to no real rewarding feeling).
>>256038094
How big are chances that she will return in Bloodborne?
>>256038094
Maiden in Black is the only waifu choice i can respect.
>>256042906
somewhere between zero and zero
>>256041187
the world's are so jarringly different that, if it was a connected world i'd be jank as fuck
the hub world design is fine
>>256041187
Please no. The Nexus was fantastic, frankly I really missed it in the Dark Souls games.
>>256041187
The issue is they tried their own view of what "hard" really means and fell flat on their faces.
>>256043135
Did you ever play Dark Souls?
It's the exact same shit, but it's so well connected that it works.
It would be difficult, but I could see it happening.
>>256043092
>>256041187
But they didn't get it wrong, you're just bad.
>>256041187
They believed they could just reapply Soul staples and it would automatically make a good game.
The series has become a parody of itself at this point
>>256043527
But it would make a good game. What makes DaSII bad in comparison are exactly the design choices that differ from the staples.
Does bloodborne have armor or is it like demons souls where armor doesnt help for shit and it's basically just a cosmetic choice?
I dont want another havels or giantdad
>>256038220
LET STRENGTH BE GRAND SO THAT THE WORLD MIGHT BE MENDED
>>256038094
SOUL
KEY
>>256043306
The archstones were really far apart though.
>>256043306
i did play dark souls and all i really remember changing from area to area was the tone of colour in the sky, unless you went underground
>>256043797
SO THE WORLD... MIGHT BE MENDED
>>256038295
Not in your life even for a second.
Y'know why? I can tell the Herald to shut the fuck up by mashing past her dialogue.
The Maiden in Black never shuts the fuck up and won't ever stop chanting her faggot prayers.
>>256044206
>wanting the Maiden to shut up
I could hear that sexy voice for all eternity.
>>256038712
>An entire game set around traipsing through the Valley of Defilement and protecting Astraea from its residents and angry clerics sent to kill her alike, as your small party gets picked off along the way
Could be fun.
Dark Souls is the worst Souls game
>>256043863
So were the ending bonfires.
It would be a remake sort of.
I get the feeling that Dark Souls was what Demon's Souls would have been like if they had more time/money/whatever they had a lack of to use that hub world stuff.
>>256044368
I don't care how sexy a voice is. When you're FORCED to listen to dialogue repeatedly, it's a bad thing.
Emerald Herald is better in every way
>Not ugly and weird looking
>Cutest accent
>Ginger Hair
>Pretty outfit
>Dialogue you can skip
>Changes her dialogue to reflect your game progress
>Actually does more than just sit in the Hub.
MiB a shit.
>>256043092
But there are so many lovely girls out there. Why only this one?
>>256038094
>Art thou done? May thine strength help the world be mended.
Maiden in Black is the one true Souls waifu
What's this accent called again ?
>>256044550
>Actually does more than just sit in the Hub.
Confimed for never getting the good ending.
>>256044550
Herald is shit.
She is weird looking, her face looks fucking strange.
MiB has the wax over her eyes, but still looks cuter than that manjawed monster.
>>256044837
I think she is Russian.
>>256043797
>GRAND
you had one job
>>256044837
Dickmancer.
>>256044875
MiB never left the Nexus. EH showed up at several major plot points and elaborated on the plot.
>>256045015
>I've never seen a real woman
Okay then pal.
>>256044550
No amount of attempts to aggressively state your terrible opinion will make the Maiden remotely look inferior in comparison to the Herald. You can't change the facts.
>>256044438
Dark Souls was an incomplete game because it didn't get enough time/money/whatever. There's a reason the end-game segments are so much weaker than the rest of it.
The only difference between Dark Souls and Demon's Souls is that one has loading screens and teleporation, and the other has long corridors and elevators which serve to break the world up anyway, and which make way for loading screens and teleportation later on.
>>256045141
Son, if you'd seen a woman before, you'd know there was something off about the Herald's facial proportions.
MiB is purest waifu
>>256044550
>Actually does more than just sit in the Hub.
What else is the MiB supposed to do exactly? I don't remember an actual time where she could show up realistically, also doesn't she like tend to the Nexus or something like that?
> look at me i like pancakeface/dumb mute cunt/dumb ginger cunt
> no one like qt roenna
Those fucking feet.
>>256044720
Because she is elegantly lovable. Don't force itself. It would be only natural. On short terms, it's good taste.
>>256045141
>MiB never left the Nexus
Below the Nexus isn't inside of the Nexus.
EH just sanics around and spouts plot at you.
MiB is integral to both endings and without her presence you couldn't complete the game.
>>256045532
Don't get me wrong, I agree. I think she's really great, but she's not the only Good one out there.
>>256044550
gr8 b8 m8
>>256045395
>What else is the MiB supposed to do exactly?
She could have had more plot related dialogue to share. She could have appeared as a phantasm near the start or finish of each world, maybe just to spit out a blurb about the lore of the area.
>>256045635
MiB being a maguffin doesn't count for much.
>>256045751
>MiB is useless
>No she isn't
>Okay then she's a maguffin
And the Emerald Herald is just a exposition spewer with no other worth, and her dialogue is shit and that's why you don't mind skipping it.
>>256045751
What part of "cannot leave the Nexus" did you not understand?
She tells you all she has to about the plot. "Go kill Demons so we can put the Old One to sleep." That is the fucking plot of the game. Sorry that she doesn't give vague, meaningless exposition all the time like EH does.
>>256045751
>thinking over exposition makes a good or bad character
I don't like your opinion and i don't like you. In fact, i'm sure you're not over 22 and went to the movies watch Transformers 4.
>>256046086
>And the Emerald Herald is just a exposition spewer with no other worth
>created by Aldia to permanently do away with the Undead Curse
>this backfires and he still adopts her even after his subscription to Bad Dragon
totally boringxD
>>256046227
What part of "phantasm" doesn't make sense for you?
>She tells you all she has to about the plot.
Yeah like two sentences one time. It's shit and she's shit.
>>256046402
Is there a difference between phantasm and ghost? If there isn't, why would you go with phantasm? Did a thesaurus fall on your head?
>>256038094
TOUCH THE DEMON INSIDE ME
Y-you too
>>256046545
>Is there a difference between phantasm and ghost?
Are you so stupid that you have to complain about me using big words? Kill yourself, you waste of skin.
>>256046402
It's a game about killing demons. It's structured like a fucking medieval Megaman. MiB is your guide, and she tells you what she needs to tell you.
>she can't leave the Nexus, and tends to it
>she can level you up if you're interested
>she needs you to kill Demons so she can put the Old One to sleep
There, done. What the fuck else do you want her to say?
>>256046828
>remove the shitty descriptions from the archstone menu
>give them to MiB as expository dialogue in each level
Suddenly she's more than some annoying cunt who won't stop repeating lines ad nauseam.
>yfw Drangleic is beyond the broken archstone
Wasn't it called Land of the Giants or something like that?
Wouldn't it also explain why Garl Vinland got swole and arrived in the Crypt?
>>256044550
This guy knows what's up.
>>256046828
He said he wants her to give some lore on the areas, but that's stupid for two reasons because 1) the monumental already does that and 2) part of the appeal of the souls games has always been figuring that shit out on your own.
He's complaining about nothing.
>>256047003
Please stop. Don't waste energy trying to link DeS with DaS in general.
>>256047137
>the monumental already does that
No he doesn't.
>part of the appeal of the souls games has always been figuring that shit out on your own.
Except that this wasn't ever true of DeS because you're outright told what happened in each area.
>>256046282
Yup. That's incredibly boring.
>Oh hey I'm going to just follow you around and spew uninspired story at you which you won't care about anyway
>btw I was created in a lab and my dad's a dragon
Wooooow
>>256046989
>instead of letting players read about the world if they're interested, force them to mash through a bunch of dialogue if they aren't
>make MiB leave the Nexus (which she cannot do), or make the player wait for her to explain shit before they can leave
The reason people hate EH is because she never shuts the fuck up about shit that we don't care about. People love MiB because she's not a fucking burden.
>>256046709
> admits he's pedantic
> call others stupid
OK.
>>256047180
But FromSoft already did.
>>256047240
Not the guy you're responding to, but if you weren't interested in the story, that's your own shortcoming.
>>256047206
Yes, he does. Right when the game starts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sKHamDdl8
>before Dark Souls Demons Souls discussion used to be friendly and okay
>after Dark Souls no new souls game could ever be considered good (DS2)
>after Dark Souls PC port the thought of a similar-but-different game is the point of shit-console/pc wars (Bloodborne)
Demons was such a great game, I sort of wish Dark Souls 1 never happened.Considering it's the worst of the three Souls games it'd probably have been better that way too.
>>256047003
Drangleic wasn't the land of the giants, though, Drangleic was at war with the land of the giants.
>>256047329
He's also in the Armored Core games
>>256047206
He gives a short description of the history of each area. not really much in the way of exposition but still.
Right but I meant more in the way that you discover the history and beliefs of the people of each area and what specifically happened to them. Like the whole death cult from the shrine of storms.
I fucking hate MiB's voice
Jesus Christ it sounds like a god damn spic with that ugly as fuck accent
The only good part of her is that animation in which she's sitting and moves her feet around, but the Herald does it better
>>256047453
Just like the Moonlight.
Fucking B-Team rehashing their designs.
>>256047259
>The reason people hate EH is because she never shuts the fuck up about shit that we don't care about.
Are you so dumb/slow you can't mash X/A fast enough that she doesn't get a word in edgewise?
>People love MiB because she's not a fucking burden.
she's a burden on my ears. I'll take 4 lines I can skip by mashing A over a retarded prayer chant I can't shutup without muting my headset/television
>>256047404
>video explaining what happened to the world at large is the same as a couple detailed sentences about each world.
Are you being stupid on purpose? You're allowed to disagree with me but don't flounder around like an idiot trying to win arguments with idiocy.
>>256047329
It's a reference and hommage to DeS. That's as far as it goes. From does this all the time and many other series does it as well.
>>256047440
>BEYOND the archstone
you know what I meant you dong
>>256047393
I was interested in the story, anon, but it all amounted to nothing in the end. "This bitch is part Manus and wants power." Everything the Emerald Herald tells you is of no consequence whatsoever. They could have made her entirely silent and very little would have changed.
>>256047393
Not that guy, but the fuck it is. Emerald Herald has nothing interesting to say, all she ever tells you is her own boring backstory, or vague bullshit that in the end is totally meaningless. The fucking talking cat should have followed you around instead, since she actually tells you relevant shit that you give a damn about.
>>256045141
Herald didn't elaborate on shit. At some points she outright clammed up when you tried to ask her a basic question.
>>256038094
Is that what she says? I never could make it out because it was in the menu without subtitles. I always heard "Soul of the mind, eats a slice pizza"
>>256047791
pfffhaha
>>256047416
Yeah, i still remember the good threads we had. As more people play them, we incorporated some retards on the fanbase and crows that just tries to stir shit up. We'll never have them again.
>>256047889
Bloodborne threads might be alright, depending on how the game turns out.
>PS exclusive
>no shields
>brand new setting
So far, Bloodborne is looking like heaven.
>>256047791
This is what she says:
Soul of the mind, key to life's ether
Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel
Let's strength be granted so the world might be mended
So the world might be mendedArt thou done? May thine strength help the world be mended.This is seared in my brain. Umbasa.
>>256047591
>The Emerald Herald is better because she actually follows you around and spews exposition
>Which I skip through anyway
This some retarded shit right here.
>>256047591
No, you can't just mash before she talks. There's a delay after you hit the button, you have to always hear at least the first word, hence BEAAARUHH SEEK SEEK LEST
>>256047591
Herald's lines can outright delay the menu prompt showing up. Even if you skip them, they'll still slow you down.
Also, the Maiden's chant is background noise while you level up. It doesn't block out or delay anything.
>>256047692
>Over the hill and past the forest is the King's castle. Where a man peered straight into the essence of the soul. But what ever came of it…
Tells you where Castle Drangleic is aswell as a little bit about what Vendrick did over there
>Those who come to Drangleic seeking salvation soon lose hope, and turn Hollow.It happens to them all, sooner or later. That blue knight at the base of the tower… His spirit is already broken. Although he does offer sound advice. Perhaps he is a foreshadowing of your own future?
>That tiny thing inside the ruins…An ancient being that will mock your very existence. She imparts sound wisdom. Provided you find her on a good day…
Hints about local important NPCs
>Bearer of the curse.Long have I awaited one such as you, one who might shatter the shackles of fate. One who can set me free. Bearer of the curse, it was my own manifestation that led you here. The ancient dragon has watched over the world for aeons past. Take this. Do not resist. The dragon welcomes you.
Explains that it's her presence that's responsible for luring undead to Majula/Drangleic while simultaneously telling you no to fear the Ancient Dragon
or compare that to
>Brave soul, who fears not death. Prithee, lull the Old One back to its ancient slumber.
>This is the Nexus. It holds together the northern land of Boletaria. Thou can'st not exit the Nexus, but each of the five Archstones will connect thee to another node.
Basic game premise shit
Favorite DeS boss(es) go
I'm partial to the Armored Spider, Old Monk, Flamelurker, and Astraea
>>256048105
15 FPS heaven. And i'm really afraid it will turn out as a bland unimaginative middle ground between souls and dmc with worst parts from every series.
>>256045425
Hnngg.
>>256048250
>No, you can't just mash before she talks. There's a delay after you hit the button
No there isn't. At most I get B-Se-S-L
>>256048280
>Also, the Maiden's chant is background noise while you level up. It doesn't block out or delay anything.
It's 1000% more annoying than being asked to mash a 4 times.
>>256048105
>SILKY SMOOTH 3FPS
Between the sour grapes, the now-larger 'fanbase' (for lack of a better term), and the trolls and shitposter the former two will inspire, Bloodborne threads will get worse before they get better.
>>256048332
Armored Spider is one of the most fun spider bosses in any game series
>>256048332
1) Tower Knight, because might body wasn't ready;
2) Old Hero, because he looked too cool;
3) The Adjudicator, because the song was really silly and appropriate.
>>256041187
nah demons souls hub system fit the game better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91dKH-7QkFs
why did you do it /v/?;_;
>>256048332
False King, hands down.
>>256048332
Astraea, parrying and riposting Garl was so satisfying
>>256048506
>Liking one of the worst fights in DeS more than most bosses in gaming at large
I wish you would choke to death on your own blood as it froths up from your stomach because of all the horrible noxious acid I wish I could pour in there.
>>256048332
>Tower Knight
>Flame Lurker
>Old Monk
>Old Hero
>Penetrator
Maiden and Armor spider were memorably BAD. I can't imagine why they get praise.
Land of Giants DLC when?
>>256048648
>Leave us, slayer of Demons.
This is a sanctuary for the lost and wretched.
There is nothing here for you to pillage or plunder.
Please, leave quietly.
And then Plague Babies
>>256038094
> yfw Land of the Giants Expansion Pack after all these years
YOU HAVE A HEART OF GOLD.
>>256048767
>Armored Spider
>bad
What the fuck
>>256048940
>It's as big as the entire original game
I want to believe
>>256043756
I believe Bloodborne is confirmed for light armor only.
>>256048648
Because she's deluded and turned evil.She's commanding the legions of people who live in the valley to kill people and feed her souls.
>>256048994
Stockpile Thomas was my favorite bottomless box.
Do people still play this joint? It was ded as fuck last time I checked about 2 weeks ago and playing alone is not fun anymore.
>>256048994
DONT LET THEM TAKE IT FROM YOU
>>256048320
We can see exactly where Castle Drangleic is once we enter Majula. Also, there's more than one forest and hill, so that's not actually very helpful. As for the Crestfallen Warrior dialogue, that's about the same as what the Firekeepers tell you about the travelers. She's also needlessly vague when describing Shalquoir, who by the way is everything the Herald should have been as far as dialogue goes.
As for the Dragon stuff, that comes at the very end of the game and is still needlessly overwritten. Her "manifestation" brought people to Drangleic? Also, how are you shattering the shackles of fate if you're to link the Fire? Her dialogue and agenda don't even match up there. While she tells you not to fear the Ancient Dragon, she certainly doesn't tell you why you're even seeing him, and she neglects to mention that while the dragon welcomes you, everything else most certainly does not.
The Herald's dialogue is very wordy, vague, and written to be needlessly mysterious about some very basic things. She says a lot but ultimately tells you nothing. In contrast, the Maiden in Black could be clear and mysterious at the same time.
>>256049154
> playing Demon's Souls alone
> not fun
Tobias, come on.
I like her laid back attitude. She seems like somebody you could sit back and drink vodka with, while the Emerald Herald sits to the side looking indignant and righteous.
Y'all niggas need a bit of Maiden
>>256049196
>>256049142
Oh man I loved this guy.
>>256048436
How is it more annoying? It doesn't impede anything. You can even instantly cut the entire thing off by leaving the menu. Depending on your actions, it can be shorter than skipping through the Herald's dialogue.
>>256049240
Playing alone is not fun after you've finished that game for like 50 times already.
>>256048320
More dialogue is not better. Why can't people nowadays understand the concept of elegant design ? Maiden in Black told you what was necessary to move forward. Whatever little she told you was enough to make you keep going. Just because Herald talks almost in riddles about some lore that isn't even necessary to know doesn't mean she any more meaningful than the Maiden. It's just more brute exposition. Fuck man, no wonder movies and games have to shove text and objectives on our faces all the times, people go to far lengths to defend this shit.
>>256048105
>Bloodborne threads might be alright
Not on NintendoGAF it won't, same thing happened to InFamous threads.
Sad thing is, I'm not even a Sonydrone, I like a little from all sides except Xbox at this point, but I'm not about to call all Xbox games shit just because they aren't on my choice of console.
>>256049206
>so that's not actually very helpful
good thing I wasn't claiming it was.
>She's also needlessly vague when describing Shalquoir
There's nothing vague at all about it. She's the only female non human in the game who also sorta laughs at you.
> that comes at the very end of the game and is still needlessly overwritten.
It doesn't matter if this is your opinion. It exists and as a result serves to further justify her existence. Something MiB doesn't have.
>Her dialogue and agenda don't even match up there.
You being confused and or the story being vague isn't a contradiction you faggot.
>, she certainly doesn't tell you why you're even seeing him, and she neglects to mention that while the dragon welcomes you, everything else most certainly does not.
Again, you spew a mountain of autistic complaints that serve to prove nothing. Having a MiB/EH style character means you need to justify her as more than a statue at the hub world. DaS2 did this well. DeS didn't.
> In contrast, the Maiden in Black could be clear and mysterious at the same time.
No she couldn't. Get your biases in line faggot. There's nothing mysterious about tellin' you to get kill demons and lull the old one.
>>256049154
I've been playing through and I've seen a few blue summoning signs. I also got invaded in Latria.
Soo of da mind, key to wife's ether.
Soo of the wost withdwawn from its wessel
WET STWENGH BE GWANTED
So da world might be mended
So da world might be mended...
>>256041187
Dark Souls 2 isn't bad it just suffers being a good game in a great series.
>Sticky white stuff
>>256049659
Was that your first playthrough? I would have lost my shit if I got invaded in Latria of all places during my first time.
>>256049694
Be vewy vewy quiet
I'm hunting demons
>>256049784
>great series
>DeS is great yes
>DaS is a half finished mess
>DaS2 is good
Uh maybe GREAT series is overselling it
I mean there have only been two games before DaS2
>>256049023
>walk down a boring hallway until you're too close to the spider to see anything
>mash attacks until stamina runs out
>guard a fire attack
>eat grass
>mash attacks until stamina runs out
>win
Armored Spider is INCREDIBLY shit.
Fucking DeSfags, can't even judge a bossfight somewhat objectively.
>>256049451
> You can even instantly cut the entire thing off by leaving the menu
So I should have to deliberate on my stat choices without looking at the menus just so I can avoid hearing her prayers for the 100 000 000th time?
>>256049451
>Depending on your actions, it can be shorter than skipping through the Herald's dialogue.
Not possible. I shut the Herald up in less than 1.5 seconds. Mashing buttons to skip her words is easy and doesn't force me to compromise.
>>256049567
>More dialogue is not better
sure
>Maiden in Black told you what was necessary to move forward. Whatever little she told you was enough to make you keep going
Exactly. She did almost Nothing of value while serving to make me frustrated and mad every time I had to hear her fucking chants again.
>. Just because Herald talks almost in riddles about some lore that isn't even necessary to know doesn't mean she any more meaningful than the Maiden
No, she's just better designed and implemented. She does more to justify herself.
>Lore/Plot
>Estus upgrades
>Leveling up
MiB only fits into one of those categories properly. She shares her lore role with the monumental.
I REALIZE
>>256049847
Nah, I was pretty upset with myself though, I got knocked off the edge of a walkway.
Are you here to fight the Demons?
If so, then help me escape this place.
I am on your side. I have come to face the Demons.
>>256050617
Yurt did nothing wrong
>>256049603
Then why mention that dialogue? It doesn't really tell you anything then. As for Shalquoir, the Herald is extremely vague and dramatic about a dang cat that lives in a house 50 feet away. The point about the Herald's dialogue coming late is to emphasize that it takes forever before she finally tells you anything about herself, and even then it's structured oddly. Also, that line is indeed a contradiction. Linking the Fire is treated as an inevitable, fated option throughout the game, something that Vendrick and Aldia tried to avoid. The Herald speaks as if you'll break that cycle, but the ending reveals that she actually wants you to link the Fire, which just continues the shackled fate that the brothers sought to escape. As for justification in the game world, the Maiden in Black is the reason why slayers of demons can empower themselves with souls and is the key to sealing the Old One. The Herald exists in a series where Bonfires could level you up just fine before and she does nothing but try to point you somewhere, having no true relevance of her own. As for mystery, the Maiden's demonic nature and who she may have been in ancient times is left open to interpretation, as is her connection with the Old One, why she has the wax on her eyes, etc.
>>256050617
I had that shit spoiled for me, for better or worse.
A friend straight up told me to kill him or he'll kill almost everybody in the Nexus and so I've played through the game half a dozen times and have always killed him.
>>256050006
If DaS was, according to you, a "half finished" mess. Whatever actually was "finished" was more creative, deliberately designed and varied than the entirety of Dark Souls 2.
>>256050828
Your friend is a true friend. That piece of shit has to go.
>>256050954
That "piece of shit" is your friend. He fights on your side.
>>256050709
>>256050828
why does he kill everyone?
I haven't played it since it came out, I vaguely remember some shit about Mephistopheles or something
>There is a question I have long had in my mind
It is whether we are right to banish the Old One
>And I now have the answer, and it is a resounding no.
>Listen closely. The Old One must not be cut off from us.If the candle maiden tries to entrap it, kill her.
>>256050946
shup up moron
they shipped a game with 2 unfinished areas
>>256051057
He's hired by Mephistopheles to kill anybody left who dabbles in the soul arts.
>>256051037
> believing a murdererThen you realize you became just like him... ;_;
Should I feel bad if I cheesed almost every boss? Or should I feel proud that I beat the game in the most efficient method possible?
>>256050023
If you already know what you want to level up, you can do so immediately and leave the screen whenever you want, instantly ending the entire chant. With the Herald you have to skip four lines no matter what, and said lines can cause a delay in the menu even appearing.
>>256051140
And once again, I would rather play a great game with 2 unfinished areas than a "finished" game which is mediocre throughout and riddled with questionable design decisions.
We can go at this as long as you want.
>>256051140
They shipped a game with two poorly designed areas. Dark Souls II shipped with a lot more than that.
>>256050023
>More dialogue is not better
>sure
>She did almost Nothing of value while serving to make me frustrated and mad every time
>she's just better designed and implemented. She does more to justify herself.
You just have some terrible opinion. Really, there's nothing even to discuss anymore...you're simply someone who appreciate being over exposed with information. No matter what i say you'll never appreciate the Maiden because she's done inside a design you aren't fond for.
>>256051248
Cheese all you want, nobody can tell you how to play. You're just not gonna get any better if you cheese is all.
>>256050805
>Linking the Fire is treated as an inevitable
No it isn't
> The Herald speaks as if you'll break that cycle, but the ending reveals that she actually wants you to link the Fire, which just continues the shackled fate that the brothers sought to escape.
Because she's a failure and the only answer is to link the fire to keep it away from Nashandra and her sisters.
> the Maiden in Black is the reason why slayers of demons can empower themselves with souls and is the key to sealing the Old One.
You haven't made a point.
>a series where Bonfires could level you up just fine before
This complaint it retarded. It's like saying we don't need to level at bonfires because in the older games we didn't use archstones but an NPC to level up.
You're going on about ephemeral lore shit. Don't. You're stupid. It's way simpler than all this
>Emerald Heralds plays more important plot and game related roles
>Emerald Herald's dialogue acknowledges game progress
>Emerald Herald actually expands on lore and shows up to play that role
>Emerald Herald's most annoying aspects can be skipped and ignored in under 1 second
>Maiden in Black plays a minimal story and plot role
>Maiden in Black repeats dialogue endlessly to the point of irritation
>>256051349
>someone who appreciate being over exposed
It's got nothing to do with information and everything to do with not being EXTREMELY fucking annoying and having better justification for her existence from lore AND gameplay perspectives.
>>256051248
Demon's Souls bosses are mostly pretty bad, so I wouldn't feel guilty about it.
>Second chance
>Anti magic field
>stacking regen
>Tactical nuke
mfw god is on my side.
>>256051248
I've only ever beaten Flamelurker by cheesing him. It's easy to get him stuck around the huge bones. He'll keep attempting to dash at you against the bones, being stuck in place, and you can hit him there until he dies. Occasionally you just have to be aware of his jump attack that makes a big explosion that can hit you through the bones.
>>256051306
>, and said lines can cause a delay in the menu even appearing.
No they don't. that was release day console version.
>If you already know what you want to level up, you can do so immediately and leave the screen whenever you want
Nope. You can't know the exact cost of each level without her menu.
>>256051474
Except that's wrong.
>>256051349
I think the problem is either:
a) He's absolutely in love with The Herald and will not listen to reason
b) He hates the Maiden's voice/accent so much that he's willing to just project that hate onto every other part of her.
Either way, there's some serious psychological shit going on there. No sane man could think that Dragon fucker is better than the Maiden, let alone a good character.
>>256050946
The first half of the game was amazing, I will admit
But the second half is so god awful that it ruins the game for me.
In both DeS and DaS2, there was no point where I said "This is awful, I don't want to play this anymore."
The state of Lost Izalith is the worst out of all of it, and is fucking unacceptable
"The birthplace of demons" is reduced to annoyingly bright bloom, dragon butts, timpani demons that look ridiculous rather then scary, and THOSE STUPID FUCKING STATUES WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE DEMON RUINS
WHERE'S THE CREATIVITY
And it's not just LI
It's ALL the lord soul areas
And it really doesn't matter that it was rushed, it doesn't excuse the fact that playing through them is an awful experience
All in all it ruined DaS for me.
>>256051632
DeS bosses are all real easy, save for three of them which are just a little above average in difficulty. The draw to DeS' bosses is that they're all memorable.
>>256051632
Except it's not.
>>256051604
I usually dodge his first attack and run straight for the stairs. He always gets stuck on the fallen column.
>>256051682
>trying to figure out my problem
Maiden in Black is one of the worst videogame NPCs ever. NPCs that spout unskippable dialogue on repeat are shit tier. Nope exceptions.
Emerald Herald takes the Maiden in Black concept and succeeds at implementing it where DeS failed.
>>256051471
>>256050023
>>256049603
>>256048320
>>256044550
One mental-disease-ridden motherfucker. I just realized you spent a lot of effort trying to justify your hate for a character. Good job.
>>256051471
>It's got nothing to do with information and everything to do with not being EXTREMELY fucking annoying and having better justification for her existence from lore AND gameplay perspectives.
Do you listen to yourself ?
For you the Maiden is annoying and doesn't have a good existence justification from lore and gameplay perspective. How am i suppose to argue with this ? It's just plain factually wrong. What the hell.
>>256051868
Yeah, it's definitely something psychological. I'm done with you.
>>256051902
>how dare somebody hate on my precious demon waifu!!!!
MiB is shit. It's a fact, that Emerald Herald addressed all the biggest problems with MiB.
>>256051703
Right, they're all memorable encounters with some unique mechanic or situation (for the most part). I don't think that the combat system of the Souls games is conducive to interesting boss fights based solely on combat. There's only so much you can do with it. That's why everybody complains about Dark Souls II's bosses, and even a lot of Dark Souls' bosses were pretty lackluster. Demon's Souls avoids this by having something other than just combat involved.
Look at Dark Souls II. Most people agree that the Chariot is one of the better bosses. Is it hard? No. But it's different and memorable.
>going down the stairs to fight Dragon God
>Get down to the bottom
>Dragon God lets out a high pitched screech that's loud as fuck
>mfw
It was obviously a glitch, but holy shit it scared the fuck out of me. I wish I had recorded it. It was like his basic roar, but amplified x2 and raised in pitch x4.
>>256051687
>But the second half is so god awful that it ruins the game for me.
I have never understood this. Lost Izalith still had great atmosphere and wasn't remotely tedious to get through unless you're retarded. The rest of the areas were perfectly fine, with New Londo and Dukes being almost as good as any earlier part of the game.
See, the problem is:
FUCKING STATUES WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING SINCE THE DEMON RUINS
WHERE'S THE CREATIVITY
I felt this way through ALL of Dark Souls 2.
>All in all it ruined DaS for me.
And that is absolutely, incredibly bizarre coming from somebody that has implied that Dark Souls 2 is the better game and doesn't suffer from bigger problems.
>People falling for the MiB vs Emerald Herald b8er
Guys, really?
>>256051976
>it's not annoying to hear her autistic shitty little prayers on repeat a thousand times
>having only 3 or 4 major dialogue lines makes up for how her dialogue doesn't acknowledge game progress or how she ONLY sits around the nexus being boring
>>256051703
All of Boletaria's bosses except Allant were shit. False Idol wasn't memorable and Old Monk is only remembered for the online gimmick. Honestly, the only memorable bosses were
>Allant
>Flamelurker
>Dragon God for being a puzzle
>Old Monk
>Maneaters
>Paladin guy and his lady
Demon's Souls thread
>>256051976
>no refutation
Notice how when I disagree with you on something I'm able to prove why you're dumb with facts and logical supports? Why can't you do the same?
>>256052121
I'm not baiting anybody. I'm laying out cold hard facts for autistic losers who can't remove their nostalgia glasses for two seconds to see things clearly.
>>256052121
Bro, bait is blitzkrieg: fast and furious. This dude is fighting a war of attrition - against, I don't know.
>>256051976
Probably just fucking with us, nobody could have those specific gripes about MiB and still somehow think EH is a good character when she's even more of an annoying useless cunt that ultimately says and does absolutely nothing of relevance or value to the game or story at large.
>>256052171
>Not Storm King
>Not Adjudicator
>Not Old Hero
>Not Old King Doran
>Not Tower Knight
>Not Penetrator
You're small time.
>all of these DS1 PC fags shitting on the thread
can we just talk about demon's souls without you faggots shitposting over the game you don't have?
>>256052093
>I felt this way through ALL of Dark Souls 2.
Because you're a jaded cunt with poor taste.
>>256052171
>tower Knight
>not memorable
Are you fucking kidding me?
Also gameplay aside Astraea has the best atmosphere of any boss fight in the souls series.
>>256052141
Nigger do you want her to speak more or not?
Make up your mind.
If you find her annoying then don't complain that she isn't explaining things to you constantly.
>>256052402
We could, if people could learn to just ignore dissenting opinions or refute them without turning it into a shitfest.
>>256052314
>MiB's biggest flaw is being an annoying bitch who never shuts up
>Emerald Herald can be told to shut up
It's that simple. Everything else is gravy, though it doesn't make that gravy any less valid to be secondary. Her plot roles and changing dialogue do a LOT to further solidify her as superior to MiB
>>256052032
The best souls bosses are the ones that combine combat with some sort of unique mechanic or situation.
The problem with most Demon's Souls bosses is that too many of them were too "mechanic", or more accurately, gimmick focused. With the exception of Penetrator/Allant, and Astraea (merely because of the narrative implications), I wouldn't say any of the end-world bosses were actually that good. Atmospheric, yes, but mechanically really lame.
I'm not going to claim that Dark Souls didn't have its share of lemons though, and that DaS2 wasn't bad for just going down the pure combat route.
>>256052093
My main gripe with Lost Izalith was the Chaos Eaters. They were so fucking disgusting to look at, goddamn. I honestly had no issue with the area. Blighttown was way worse for me.
>>256052494
>can't into basic reading comprehension
No wonder the thread is all worked up and mad about my posts. You fucks can't even read simple english.
>>256052171
>All of Boletaria's bosses except Allant were shit
>Penetrator
>Tower knight
>shit
>>256044550
>people actually believe thislike me
>>256051471
Yes it is. Even the Ember you get mentions that the Flame being weak is a natural state that flares up at times, and there are "a new flame rises from the ashes" elements everywhere. Also, even if the Herald's a failure, isn't the point that she's looking for someone who won't fail? Hoping they link the Fire goes against her dialogue at the Dragon Aerie. Regarding the Maiden's Soul Arts, she is indeed crucial and important to the game; she's the reason the Monumental can even amass an army of demon slayers in the first place, she empowers people so they can stand a fighting chance (with the risk that they'll become power-hungry and turn into demons), and she has the most vital role of all, ultimately stopping the Old One and saving the world. The Herald does have more exposition, yes, but she needlessly complicates her explanations while ultimately saying nothing that's truly informative. She even clams up entirely in some places, effectively standing there doing nothing.
As for the Bonfire point, Dark Souls introduced the Bonfires, resting places and power wells that let you level up. Dark Souls 2 features the same Bonfires but removed the leveling option solely to give the Herald some justification. As such, her function isn't actually unique to the Dark Souls series, which led a lot of people to see her as a time-consuming inconvenience.
If you seriously find the Maiden's brief, easily skipped background chant extremely annoying compared to the Herald, then that's ultimately a subjective matter and it's doubtful this discussion will change that.
>>256052408
Or maybe it's because Dark Souls II feels like shit to play due to its mechanical changes, has shit level design, and has a shit opening, doing nothing to improve going forward.
>>256052320
>>256052446
>big guys who swings stuff
>memorable
You guys hated this when it was in DS2, you friggin hipsters
Why the fuck are load times in Demon's Souls so fucking long? Shit.
>>256052408
No, it's really not that, and that's a hypocritical claim to make after saying that you had to rage-quit in the middle of Dark Souls because it was apparently that bad. I've beaten all 3 games multiple times myself.
Dark Souls 2 suffers from poor design throughout almost the entire game. Holy shit, they even included fucking dragon butts in the DLC.
>>256052794
Because
>PS3
>From Soft's first new gen game
>Bluray
If you have the digital version it's not as bad, but it's still long.
>>256052783
Not a single one of them looks as good as the tower knight or has a theme that comes even close to his.
But I would've complained about DeS too if every boss was some unispired version of the tower knight.
>>256051612
It's not nearly as bad anymore, but occasionally there can still be a brief delay. Also, for leveling up you really just need to pour souls into the thing you want until it locks you out. The whole process is extremely fast.
>>256052783
Because it had already been done ad nauseam. You can't find fault in Demon's for that.
Also:
> that Tower Knight fight
> that music
> that ho-ho-ho
> that realization you would have to clear the whole fucking bridge again to have a shot at him
My body was - not - ready.
>>256052271
What facts ? What logic ?
MiB have lore and gameplay reasons to be there. You hate her for being annoying but she has less dialogue. The little dialogue she has is background noise and don't interrupt gameplay. The only dumb here is yourself who thinks your grips are logical and factual when they're entirely the opposite of that. You're biased over Herald. Just go and be happy with it.
>>256052897
Oh no, it's that guy who likes the Tower Knight theme again.
I agree that it was a cool fight though.
I think that all of the Souls games are excellent in their own way. :)
>>256053104
>Not liking HA HAHAHA HA
What's wrong with you?
>>256048332
Penetrator has to be my favourite boss. By chance alone, he turned into such a rollercoaster for me.
>Hunting fat fuck
>Motherfucker trolls me through the entire level
>Defeat all the knights and shit, walk through the fog
>"Alright you little cunt, time to die."
>MASSIVE FUCKING SWORD THROUGH THE CHEST
>Get him down to half life before mis-timing a dodge and die
>Fight my way back to him, a fucking bird flies straight into my window with a loud thud; when I look back at the screen he's penetrated me
>Final attempt had the frustration get the better of me and I botched it again
>Say fuck it and do some exploring instead, eventually finding both Yuria and Biorr
>Go back to fighting the Penetrator
>"YO DEMON SLAYER, I GOT YOUR BACK SON"
>Stand unmoving and in shock for long enough for Biorr to take down half his life
>"AIN'T NO PUNK ASS DEMON GONNA FUCK WITH MY HOME"
>Sit back as Biorr solos the nigger and becomes my best friend
>NG+
>"Biorr's got this, I'ma chill."
>Biorr gets his ass raped, half his health is gone and the Penetrator isn't sweating
>"Shit, I've got to save him."
>Pen has Biorr stuck in a corner
>I charge in like a fucking retard swinging around the Dragon Bone Smasher
>It hits Biorr through the Penetrator, killing him
>I'm stunned and stare in horror at what I've just done, before Penetrator takes advantage and penetrates me further
>Eventually go back wearing Biorr's armour and wielding his weapons and murder the shit out of the faggot
I'm sorry, Biorr. I'm so sorry.
>>256053104
>not liking it
What is wrong with you?
>>256052695
>Even the Ember you get mentions that the Flame being weak is a natural state that flares up at times,
So?
> "a new flame rises from the ashes" elements everywhere
Yes because the game is about how the flame was lit a lot between DaS1 and DaS2. The cycel fo the chosen undead occurs lots. That's NOT the same as implying Fire Linking is inevitable.
> isn't the point that she's looking for someone who won't fail?
No. She's a failed experiment. She can't ask somebody to succeed at a role she was BORN to fulfill.
>she's the reason the Monumental can even amass an army of demon slayers in the first place, and she has the most vital role of all, ultimately stopping the Old One and saving the world
Too bad she never talks about this much and hardly even acknowledges game progress
>The Herald does have more exposition, yes, but she needlessly complicates her explanations while ultimately saying nothing that's truly informative. She even clams up entirely in some places, effectively standing there doing nothing.
Which is still FAR preferable to never doing anything at all.
>Dark Souls 2 features the same Bonfires but removed the leveling option solely to give the Herald some justification.
Actually the bonfire leveling option removal is part of a several elements of DeS they worked into DaS2. It serves the horizontal world design to force a hub
>>256052919
Without seeing the cost per level, you won't be able to balance your spending.
>>256052271
Dude, the Emerald Herald is an awful character. I feel sorry for you believing that you're educating people when you're so deluded.
That retarded, riddling way of speaking is so unbecoming of a character like that, and an irishwoman.
>>256053104
> that guy
What? That guy is nearly everyone now? Everyone but you, obviously.
>>256053243
>Which is still FAR preferable to never doing anything at all.
Not that anon but are you claiming the MIB did nothing?
did you even beat Demon's Souls?
>>256038094
Holy shit OP. I just started playing Demon's Souls and unlocked her for the first time last night.
I told the baby mannequin thingy to fuck off and then it said i'd be trapped in nexus forever and laughed at me.
I'm a little late to the party.
>>256053356
>Dewrito Pope will die in your lifetime
;_;
Have any of you ever beaten the Tower Knight early in a new game without killing all of the archers first?
>>256053191
10/10 story
Biorr > Tarkusthread derailed
![Necro_blunt_hit[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/P48Q9Uv.jpg "Necro_blunt_hit[1].jpg")
>>256049694
>>256052871
I got the digital version during a flash sale on PSN. Still annoying as all hell.
>>256053458
>Baby Mannequin thingy
That's the Monumental, you uncultured swine.
I just can't understand how a guy who oversaw dark souls could also oversee a game as lifeless and boring as demons souls.
>>256053089
> You hate her for being annoying but she has less dialogue.
Less dialogue, but dialogue which I have no choice but to listen to on repeat.
>The little dialogue she has is background noise and don't interrupt gameplay
It's much worse than background noise. It's a flaw that makes me dread even choosing to level up.
Meanwhile you guys think Emerald Herald is inferior despite the following differences/improvements she's got to bring to the table
>actually acknowledging your quest progress
>shutting the fuck up when asked
>does more than sit at the hub the whole game
>>256053260
She's not even human. Of course she's spouting riddles and shit.
>Dude, the Emerald Herald is an awful character.
I don't think she's great, she's just WAY better than that trainwreck from Demon's Souls
>>256053458
> baby mannequin
> it's THE FUCKING MONUMENTAL
Holy shit.
>>256053356
It took me a while but I got it and I giggled.
>>256053296
This is literally the first time I've been outnumbered in regards to my opinion on the Tower Knight theme. It's usually just one guy saying he likes it while everybody else laughs.
Then again, tonight has been a weird night, with entire threads made up of almost positive discussion about The Last of Us, and a guy in this thread actually waifufagging the Emerald Herald. Is it a full moon?
>>256052093
>Great atmosphere
What atmosphere
There is barely any atmosphere, it's just a city in lava with demons inside it
Hardly the "birthplace of demons" we were promised
>New Londo
Okay I can't really complain about that
Was a little disappointing how short it was though
>Dukes
Starts out fine
Then as soon as you get out of the prison you realize that it's really tiny and then you get to the crystal caves, which is also a huge disappointment
As to your second point, the difference is while yes they reused enemies, they were actually enjoyable to fight in DaS2
The demon statues were just boring and were annoying to fight.
All they did was float around and breath fire.
>>256052826
I didn't rage quit, I beat the game. I'm just saying the game made me WANT to ragequit because it was so awful.
And the dragon butts in the DLC were hella better then the dragon butts from DaS
Mostly because they're easier to fight in the sense that you're not surrounded by annoying bloom and the screen shaking every time they moved
Also, they're far enough apart that you won't aggro them all at once, unlike A CERTAIN ENEMY IN DaS 1
>>256053727
Just to restore your insanity I might love the Tower Knight theme but I decided to ignore the Emerald Herald fag.
That is just fucking ridiculous.
>>256053727
I'm not waifufagging EH even for a second. The whole concept should have been cut and bonfires should have stayed the same.
But that doesn't stop the Herald from shitting all over the Maiden from a quality perspective.
Hey guys, how about that DEMON'S SOULS HUH? GOOD GAME HUH?
>>256053886
>But that doesn't stop the Herald from shitting all over the Maiden from a quality perspective
Not even close. Are you serious?
>>256053657
Admittedly, the Maiden in Black's chant is a little annoying, but how you can think it's worse Bear Seek Lest Lest loading time pray animation is beyond me.
>>256053976
It was a good game
Fluted armor a best
All other armors go home
So why was the Thief class and armor more resistant to poison? I never understood that.
>>256053994
I've repeated my argument a dozen times in the thread. EH>MiB.
What's hilarious is how pathetic the responses are. nobody is really trying to debate with me about facts.
The FACTS:
>MiB has very little dialogue and never acknowledges your current gamestate
>EH has lots of dialogue and changes her statements based on your game progress
>MiB doesn't do anything for almost the whole game except sit around the Nexus
>EH turns up at major plot progression moments and talks to you and expands on the story
>MiB chants an annoying as fuck prayer nonstop when you're trying to choose your stat investments
>EH says a few canned lines you can skip past VERY quickly when you want to interact with her
MiB is shit.
>UGGGGGGRRRRRAHHHH
is this the blighttown of demons souls
>>256052039
>kill Vanguard
>Go down to fight the Dragon God
>just punches me
y-you too
>>256054434
That would be the Valley of Defilement.
>>256054425
It's hilarious that you think those things make her better.
You're fucking deluded and you have terrible taste.
I'm genuinely happy you will never work on a video game.
>>256054434
Nope
Fifth world is blighttown
>>256053848
>There is barely any atmosphere, it's just a city in lava with demons inside it
You're basically just a huge pleb who can't appreciate Dravidian Architecture.
>Hardly the "birthplace of demons" we were promised
You're really just butthurt over some incredibly arbitrary thing. You're so buttblasted over Lost Izalith not being the Birthplace of Demon's that you dreamed of, that you're willing to project your disappointment onto almost the entire game, meanwhile ignoring the fact that DaS2 is an abject disappointment both in design and atmosphere from start to finish.
>>256053706
It looked like bride of Chucky to me.
>>256054551
>zero refutation or reasoning
HAAH WAAW
>>256054425
Those aren't arguments. You haven't said why any of those things are good.
>>256054434
PLEASE HELP ME
>>256054635
You look like the bride of Chucky.
>>256054425
Understand this, since you're sooooo much better than everyone here.
Nobody wants to argue with you anymore because you are an idiot with awful taste and you're shitting up the thread.
>>256054648
>Not HAAH WAAW WAAW WAAW, WAAW
You missed a golden opportunity there, boy-o.
>>256054649
I shouldn't have to tell you why NPCs who acknowledge quest progress is good. I shouldn't have to explain why a major NPC playing a more involved role in the plot is good. I REALLY shouldn't have to explain why dialogue that plays on a loop is a bad thing.
>>256054616
Dude, I agree with you that Dark Souls II is shit, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think that Lost Izalith is worse than most of the areas in it. Overall Dark Souls is much better, but you're just talking out of your ass here.
>>256054702
HEY NIGGA CHECK THIS OUT THERE'S SOME OLD ONE SHIT GOAN ON UP IN HERE AND YOU GOTTA TAKE CARE OF IT SON WHAT YOU SAY ?
NO? WELL THEN FUCK YOU, YOU'RE FUCKED LIKE THAT CRAZY CHICK WITH NO EYES
dolls are fucking weird man. didn't the whole two rows of them just freak you out? I don't trust them.
Why do Dark Souls babbys hate Demons Souls so much? Is it because there aren't bonfires to hold your hand? Or is it because they don't own a PS3 and are butthurt they never got to play it?
>>256054648
I'm not him, but my personal refutation is that The Emerald Herald provides excessive exposition in a game which doesn't require it, and does so in meaningless, idiotic riddles which add almost nothing to the experience or to your understanding of the game. She's a far more pervasive and annoying presence than the Maiden in Black, whose only real fault is the fact that she repeats the same line too often, in the background.
>>256054997
Not really since they were all dead but the Monumental. Just kind of sad, really.That and it took me so fucking long to find them that I was just all "whatever, time to accept this shit."
>>256050006
>>great series
>>DeS is great yes
>>DaS is a half finished, but still great
>>DaS2 is good
Yes there has only been two games before DaS2 and they were both amazing in their own way. DaS2 tried to mix the best aspects of both games and for the most part it did good job, but it still missed the mark in capturing the ethos of the Soul series.
>>256055101
>is it because they don't own a PS3 and are butthurt they never got to play it?
pretty much this and most of them were in middle school when it came out
>>256055101
Dark Souls has more of a focus on combat, and when they try to play Demon's Souls the same way it comes up short. Demon's Souls is more about progression through the level and exploration, the enemies only exist to serve that end.
