Axe, hammer or sword?
Halberd.
Switch Axe
The axe? or the Hammer?
Who am I?
-Rand Al'thor
>>255470757
>posting mallets
>>255470757
I AM WIZARD
I CAST FIST
>>255470757
Poleaxe
I don't know, is the game Walking Dead or something medieval?
>>255471091
B - but that was perrin...
>>255471506
>>255470848
What's the difference?
Sword.
Fucking weapon hipsters. If your obscure flailed poleaxe is so good how come no one uses it.
>>255471506
>All of the above
10/10 would fight alongside
Garden's Bane
>>255471723
I was testing the people. to see who was worthy. and you are.
>>255471858
What this guy said
![Heavy-Flanged-Mace[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rWP7yt9.jpg "Heavy-Flanged-Mace[1].jpg")
Mace.
Axes are the most aesthetic weapons.
Arquebus.
Nice armor faget
>>255472065
MY NIGGA
scythes all day every day
>axe
axe? who are you gonna fight? army of fucking trees?
>hammer
who are you? fucking carpenter? now get the fuck out you have some nails to hammer
>sword
this is good, it was made for fighting but we can do better than that
![70003[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Yd1prvR.jpg "70003[1].jpg")
Axe or bust.
>>255471858
>If your obscure flailed poleaxe is so good how come no one uses it.
>implying guns didnt make them all of them obsolete
No anon, you are the hipsters.
>then, anon tipped his fedora.
>>255472071
>double-bitted axe
shiggidy
Hammer.
I learned this playing Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode. With some beasts only certain metals can harm them but hammers don't apply because the crushing force of the blow to the beast itself is enough to kill it. If I were to use a bronze sword to kill something that only silver can be used to harm, thenI would be screwed.
>>255472065
>made with use of welding tools
how did middle age blacksmiths made maces?
And here's the follow up question, how do you balance the 3?
Hammer should always be the ideal endgame weapon, because enemies at that point should be fully armored. Blunt damage is best damage.
Definitely hammer. It can reliably fuck up everyone from the most heavily armoured opponents to people with no armour at all.
Sword andshieldcombo
>plebs not going for rapiers
You are all gay.
>>255470757
HAMMER TIME
So mad there's no 2h-hammers in Brytenwalda
Fuck one
Marry one
Kill one
>>255472628
Alright, how does a mace swing faster than a sword? I imagine bashing enemies with a mace would be much slower and more energy consuming than slicing with a sword.
Maybe the same with an handaxe.
Axe
>Tool
>Weapon
>Relatively easy to use
fuck da axe wound
stick the sword in
hammer the pussy
>>255472868
Fuck Mace
Kill Axe
Marry Sword
PikeOr rifle.
>>255473159
>those dong shaped helms
Pfft
>>255472946
A mace does not weight 20lbs. It's actually lighter than a typical longsword which doesn't weigh that much either.
The force behind a swing comes from the wielder, not the weapon's weight. There's a reason people can point out the differences between an amateur and an expert when it comes to weapon use. An expert will use his entire body to put the most force behind a swing.
>>255473253
>not using condom helmets
>>255470757
It's a hard decision. For some reason though, I don't like most normal swords. Like, I think some can be cool when they're overdesigned/fantasy looking, like I dunno, Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.
I'd much prefer to smash someone with a hammer or cleave someone with an axe, but a sword is kinda only good for fencing. Maybe that's how I see it actually - berserkers and badass warriors use axes, hammers, greataxes, greathammers, even badass polearms of all sorts, but swords are generally just used by silly noblemen.
>not going flail
It's like you hate having fun.
>>255472573
They were actually just a heavy lump of metal with studs hammered in, not what the picture is
Mace
Dual-wielding an axe and a mace.
![17017_2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3APvyS1.jpg "17017_2[1].jpg")
>>255471506
>Not polehammer
>>255473604
Why not be less retarded and use a shield and a mace
going to have to go with the polearm
>>255471810
There's a few differences-
The construction of the head - a poleaxe being three separate pieces, a halberd being one piece.
The balance is different, with a halberd being balanced for using mainly the head, a poleaxe being balanced so you can use the butt, too.
Speaking of the butt, some poleaxes have spikes on the butt of the shaft.
Halberds can be a bit longer than poleaxes.
Poleaxes aren't as uniform as halberds - halberds are axe on one side and spike or hook on the other, whereas poleaxes can be almost any combination of hammerheads, axe heads, spikes and hooks.
Generally speaking, poleaxes were for fighting solo against heavily armored enemies who are likewise on foot, while halberds were for formation fighting against lightly armored infantry and any sort of cavalry.
The two weapons are used very similarly in similar situations, though.
>>255473727
Because I'm the DPS, I don't need no shield.
>>255473429
You gotta use protection.
I'm that guy that dual wields swords
sorry /v/
Whip bro reporting in.
>>255471506
True gentleman confirmed
>>255473895
Yeah nice try whipping dat armor faggot
![6436384899_daa180b7ce_z[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aoHy2Lg.jpg "6436384899_daa180b7ce_z[1].jpg")
>>255473565
No.
Axes look the best but they would be the worst to wield. They get stuck in fucking everything, leaving you wide open for a counter-attack.
Either dual swords or a zweihander/greatsword.
If we're compensating, we can at least do it the right way.
>>255470757
Spear
it is the natural human weapon which is why guns were designed to emulate it
the spear in the right hands is the most powerful weapon there is
>>255473461
>Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.
>Normal swords just aren't that useful in comparison.
The Buster Sword is literally impossible to wield by any normal human being regardless of the material it's made out of. Doesn't matter if it's super lightweight, that just translates into a clumsy oversized weapon that weighs nothing and has a fat edge. It's basically a really shitty mace.
>>255473976
>Implying I'm not going to just indiana-jones your legs from under your feet.
>>255474127
Dual swords are stupid no one used it for anything but showing off. Big ass swords are so ineffective only one group of people even tried to employ them in battle.
>>255470757
whichever has the fastest attack speed yo.
>>255474031
They tended to break or cut through most shields, and were harder to parry than swords.
They did have that nasty habit of getting stuck on bone, and not much use on more armoured targets though, but that's what the spike was for.
>>255474176
both those swords look retarded as fuck
real swords have much better design asthetics
>>255474127
What dual wielding?
>Axes have the highest damage but shittiest penetration
>Only city thugs have armor value low enough to get full use out of them
>Dies to trusty sword just as fast
>>255473461
>Like, I think some can be cool when they're overdesigned/fantasy looking, like I dunno, Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.
Teenage faggot.
>>255474165
Spears are only good if you have a bunch of buddies with you who are also using spears.
>>255472991
At first I thought this was incredibly stupid because the ebonics seemed exaggerated, but that entire second row is great.
>scythe
>huge reach
>can grapple other weapons
>decapitate niggas
>spook niggas
>spook and decapitate one nigga
>can probably channel dark majjiycks too who the fuck knows
>>255474296
>getting two attacks per round is stupid.
>>255474176
Well, yeah. That's what I said. Fantasy and unrealistic swords are cool in their setting. Swords in general are just boring and not as useful as hammers or axes.
Polearms are also awesome though.
So the real question is: Polearms, hammers or axes? I might design a new DaS 2 build depending on what this thread convinces me is most badass.I currently play a spearwielding spartan build in DaS 2.
>>255474165
Spears are garbage outside of large scale engagements. What the fuck are you gonna do when some cutthroat with some fuckin dirks steps into your range. You're gonna die is what, ugly fuckin ballsack cunt.
>>255474479
You can't swing 2 swords faster than you can swing one sword, dumb fuck.
>>255470757
>no bio or chem based weapon
Shit game.
>>255474480
>Polearms, hammers or axes
There aren't any pollaxes in DaS2, is there?
Otherwise, that would be ideal for your conundrum.
![_47894887_towton9_big[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fVDeFtP.jpg "_47894887_towton9_big[1].jpg")
>>255473705
Polehammer best weapon
Piercing armor, skull and brains like it was nothing
>>255474424
Double the sword, double thefun
>>255474636
I'm not sure what qualifies as poleaxe, but there are various halberds.
>>255474165
>>255474548
False, nearly every RPG with dual wielding gives you 2+ attacks per turn.
>>255471506
you mean pollaxe?
>>255470757
staff/polearm master race
MACE AND BOARD
>>255472305
Lol are you a peasant? Enjoy being useless against every type of enemy you happen to come across just short of another peasant
>>255473461
>Normal swords just aren't that useful in comparison.
Do you know anything about weapons?
>>255474426
>Axes have the highest damage but shittiest penetration
Swords have significantly worse penetration against armor. Axes had enough of a thick edge that they could still pummel and occasionally puncture armor.
If you were using a sword against a knight, you better have practised that half swording or your ass was toast. Your only options are to stab him in the armpit or wrestle him to the ground if you get lucky.
>>255474758
Name 5.
>>255474426
>shittiest penetration
Nigga what, that shit cuts limbs off
>>255472573
glue, fricking newfages
>>255474447
no
spears are a universal weapon like the Quarterstaff and a spearman can be extremely effective with one even fighting multiple enemies
swords are a similar deal but with less range or defensive ability
>>255474720
I'll just have lindy explain this for me cause I'm lazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJBEDxh0RQw
>>255474820
I know that hammers, axes and polearms are all more useful and fun to play with in pretty much all vidya.
That's about it though. Guess I'm a nerd, so sue me.
>>255470757
That's obviously a hammer, OP.
>>255472628
What the fuck is dalue?
>>255474836
Curiously enough, a sword would probably make for a better bludgeoning weapon against an armored foe than an axe, thanks to its vertical balance.
Swords are garbage tier show off weapons for the rich
>Expensive
>Require a ton of training to use effectively
>Don't even perform better than 99% of other easier to mass produce weapons that require less training
![pole010b_s[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LzleSCW.jpg "pole010b_s[1].jpg")
>>255474728
I meant like this
>axe
>hammer
>polearm
>>255474728
There's always the lucerne.
>>255475191
>>255475212
Ah yes the lucerne. It's pretty cool 'cause the latest DaS 2 update makes its heavy attack penetrate armor too.
>>255474548
>he doesn't get it
>>255474465
>>255470757
Sword. Idk why I just have always liked swords.
Neither. Katana.
>>255474452
You seriously never seen that shit? Get the fuck out of here, cocktard
What weapon should a Dwarf Fighter roll?
>>255474962
DUO WIELD
>>255474521
>being this mad
oh wow ok man how about you calm the fuck down before you have an asthma attack eh?
you have no idea what you're talking about, for the untrained yea a spear is only good in mass blocs which is why it was given to peasants, but if you have ever seen bow-staff/quarterstaff combat that is the same as using a spear but without the pointed edge
a shortspear is incredibly versatile, being used as a quarterstaff to block and parry any attack as well as hit your opponent from range and sweep them
or even thrown to impale them from far away
the spear is the ultimate weapon alongside the Longsword
>>255475172
>Swords = Apple
>Everything else = Android
>>255470757
Sword against light infantry and archers, mace against knights
>>255474843
NWN
NWN2
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate 2
KOTOR
>>255471858
But sword was phased out by heavy armor even by the end of 100 years war?
It's good for killing peasants, but sucks if fighting anything well prepared.
![weapon2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Ymr0gS9.jpg "weapon2[1].jpg")
>>255475320
>lucerne
>axe
Nigga that ain't how the swiss be rollin'
>>255474813
> not mace and brace
It's like you don't even know what rhyming is
>>255474521
What you do is move your hands closer to the front of the weapon, it's not rocket science. Besides, good luck getting close with your shorthand weapons.
![_47893339_t25_skull_crop2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FciqAGW.jpg "_47893339_t25_skull_crop2[1].jpg")
>He was an experienced soldier because when the bones were reassembled researchers found that the lower jaw had a massive cut from chin to ear, but the bone was well healed.
Someone survived this hit and was walking around like this
How does this make you feel?
>>255474465
Sigmund, pls go
The only reason you kill people is because you camp the early floors
>reach
lol hammer mace and axe fags mad they can't even get close enough to hit me
![art-othin2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g3qMue0.jpg "art-othin2[1].jpg")
I always think axes are underappriciated being the default weapons given to barbaric, dumb or otherwise primitive fighters, defined by being large, heavy and used like sharpend clubs.
The only game i saw where someone gave the axe some love was the last Fire Emblem game for SNES, which had two fighters who used the swordsman moves with axes.
Though maces and hammers have the same problem.
>>255475538
Fists
>>255474978
Maces are cool
>>255474962
>you can't block projectiles without shield!
Then fucking roll and dodge scrublord.
>you need to use your whole body to attack!
Or I could stunlock an enemy with my double swords.
>this isn't a realistic scenario!
Well if we're talking realistic scenarios, I'd use a gun, nerd.
It's often been argued the Halberd/Pollaxe and such derivatives are the most versatile and desirable weapon in combat, as they combine weight and strength, flexibility, range and effectiveness against a range of opponents.
It can work as an axe against flesh, a hammer against plate, and a spear against cavalry; it's easy to train someone with and can be used effectively by militias.
But of course, if we're talking a weapon of all time, i'd argue the Gladia, especially the Hispaniensis version; it's a weapon that beat greece's hoplites and the gaul's spears, the Khopesh of the gyppos and even the Fealx of the wild men.
Other weapons do well on paper, but none have built an empire so well.
>>255473829
That's why you batter them with the shield and club them like a normal person
None of them, I'll take the superior weapon. The longbow.
>>255470757
Poleaxe, Polehammer, or Polesword.
Knife for CQC.
>>255475584
Yes, dual wielding.
Its what you were talking about.
>>255475172
yea they require a lot of training but they are still the most useful and the best weapons
nothing matches the sheer power and versatility of the sword other than the spear which is why both are such iconic human weapons
pic related, most people have no clue about how medieval combat was carried out
a longsword could be to pommel armored enemies much like a mace which is why they usually had very solid handles, or half sworded to faster close range striking, the longsword in the hands of a skilled user was incredibly powerful
>>255474836
>>255474859
>>255475943
Fire Emblem, despite being a Japanese fantasy game, is surprisingly good when it comes to portraying a wide variety of martial arts and weapons.
I don't mean they're authentic. But the armor obeys internal consistency, and so do the weapons. There are characters with a wide variety of weapons, and it doesn't generally fall into the lowest depths of martial arts portrayals which we so often find.
pollaxe or gtfo
Against an armored opponent slogging it out on foot? Give me a hammer.
Just riding over peasant shits from atop of my war destrier? Then it becomes how quickly and often I can swing, so a sword.
>>255476210
>nothing matches the sheer power and versatility of the sword other than the spear
The most versatile weapon is the axe nigga
Chop some wood after chopping off some heads
>>255475943
axes just are not as useful or versatile as swords are, and get caught easily
they work best when combined with a shield as the vikings and saxons did using bearded axes to tear away their opponents shields
Spear.
>no keyblades yet
faggots
>>255472071
what is this? an axe for ants
>>255475943
That's probably a mix of the Germanic tribes favouring them, and in Japanese works, always being seen as a bandit's tool, since woodcrafters.
They're not really romanticised in the same way. Though, of course, you get exceptions like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1VttN9sWpI
>>255476362
>sword gets stuck in the fifth peasant and is torn from your grasp
Stick with the hammer, nigga.
>>255476467
>Combining the best parts of all 3
Genius.
>>255476364
no it isn't, axes are really unweildly in combat and cant be used in as many situations as a sword
axes are only useful against enemy shields or heavy armor
even then everything an axe can do a skilled swordsman can do better
>>255476526
man, I really need to watch LotGH
>>255476210
While I agree with prettymuch everything you said, I would like to add the poleaxe to your list of incredibly versatile weapons. It's not as iconic, though, which is a damn shame.
>>255472841
Nothing gayer than a rapier.
>>255476164
Fucking camper.
>>255475879
>Sigmund's scythe is the best weapon ever with perfect accuracy
>the minute I grab it it becomes near useless and I might as well try using a pool noodle for battle
>>255476364
Axes designed to chop wood are not really good as combat weapons since their point of weight and the form of the blade are designed for hacking down on immobile objects with a lot of force.
Axes designed for combat need a different weight ratio and different blade in order to be quick to wield and capable of cutting through targets horizontal and vertical.
Of course you can use a wood cutter axe to fight someone, but it isn't ideal for it.
>>255475659
>heavy armor
>problem for a sword
What are you Japanese?
>>255472065
Why aren't the flanges fully wielded to the shaft? They look like they would snap off easily.
>>255471353
>>255476665
>the sword that requires the most upper body strength to use out of all swords in human existence is gay
>>255476570
As long as you're swinging just to make cuts and not go full edgelord decapitation move all the time, you should be good.
Medieval health care could handle broken bones from blunt trauma well, but a small cut could Karl Drogo a nigga.
>>255476470
for gi-ants
>>255476639
i'd prefer a claymore over a poleaxe
there are stories of German swordsmen blocking arrows and cutting right through pikelines with their swords by swinging them in a sort of figure 8 sort of fashion
>>255474165
>my legs hurt
>this spear is too short
>my shield is heavy
>I wish I was at home playing video games
Fist weapons = best weapons
![Game-Of-Thrones-Mountain-gorges-out-the-eyes-of-Oberyn-Pedro-Pascal[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OsJWENa.jpg "Game-Of-Thrones-Mountain-gorges-out-the-eyes-of-Oberyn-Pedro-Pascal[1].jpg")
>>255474165
Everyone look at this little fairy boy and laugh.
>>255471506
You mean pollacks?
>>255476610
If you do, geto ff the internet while you do. Spoilers are merciless for it.
Also suggest you start with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNBZj36pbc
Ravel's bolero was beyond reproach as a choice here.
guys
why don't we get rid of guns and bring back these weapons
>>255476739
>but it isn't ideal for it.
Fuck does it matter when you only need to hit them once?
>>255476763
That's a shitty modern recreation
>>255476869
But the poleaxe has the pole, the hook (or hammer), the spearhead, and the axehead. While I'd say yeah zweihanders are great weapons as well, the poleaxe is entirely underrepresented considering it was the preferred weapon of the same German soldiers you're talking about.
>>255477043
Because I'm a manlet so I'd be disadvantaged
>>255474521
>hold weapon closer to the pokey bit
>combat him with a shortpsear
>push him away with spear
>pull out your own dagger and recreate the scene from that michael jackson music video
>>255474447
how wrong can one faggot be
spears are the ultimate warfare and 1v1 weapon
longsword? outrange him
shield? outrange him and try to knock off weapon/injure shield arm
>>255476164
>not javelin
Chivalry is related right?
I mean its basically the game for medevial weaponry combat
I fucking love manning shortspear and just completely fucking all the Noobguards and cunty Knights when they try to walk up flailing their weapons until i headshot them
every game there are always these babies complaining about Archers being OP since they suck
Man at Arms and Archer are the objective patrician classes
>>255476981
Posting better version.
Delicious Kukri / Kopis
It's like a short sword but with the force of an axe
>>255476526
Yeah the major issue for why axes are often seen as primitive weapons is because they were developed from tools. It's the same reason spears are seen as primitive compared to lances and knives are seen as primitive compared to daggers.
On the counter point, that's exactly why swords became such romatic weapons. Because they were designed soley for combat and not developed from a working tool.
The club/mace actualy have the same backround but since they are so easy to make the fall into the same category as aces.
Basicly swords became the glorified weapons they are because they are only designed for fighting and they require more work to be created and maintianed, which led to them being the prefered weapons of nobility.
Not to say that swords aren't effective weapons.
I want a fucking hammer sword
>>255470757
>ctrl+f
>no shovel
knaves
>>255476737
The scythe is the fucking worst polearm
-4 to hit, no reach like all the others, and mediocre damage combined with a mediocre attack speed.
>>255472946
>Maybe the same with an handaxe.
Handaxes are much lighter than swords, if you meant the handaxe is like a mace
>>255477213
>archer
>worth fuckall without a bow
enjoy me feinting, you blocking, and me kicking to one shot you
jav archers are notoriously bad at the game
>let me get them with my tricks!
>wait shit I'm trying to go into melee range as the wost melee class
>lol1shot
nugget
>>255476376
Vikings are often portrayed with axes because they're cheaper to make(less iron) and most people already had them at hand to chop wood. Axes are versatile tools while swords are basically just for combat.
>>255477381
So, a crowbar with better grip and possibly guard?
![post-22339-129668600715[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HC2K1jR.jpg "post-22339-129668600715[1].jpg")
>>255476376
Nigga wat
>stabs
>chops
>cuts
>hooks
>crack skulls with either end
>parries with the blade, demi hache or queue
>pull yourself over walls
>smash through shields and the arm behind it
>>255477443
Shaolin spade best weapon.
>>255477162
>smaller target
>disadvantaged
>>255477708
no. I want a fucking HAMMERSWORD
>>255474521
Use a shorter spear.
>>255477618
Yeah, but why is Sigmund so godly with it?
katana is literally the most balanced weapon ever made.
It can literally do just about anything.
>>255477443
Those only became dangerous during WW1 with the introduction of the Klapspaten.
>>255477735
>muh zombie survival guide
>>255477859
Can you set it against a cavalry charge?
>>255473159
biggest faggots
i would have been so peeved having to go to war against that
like what do you even do
if that's how they're gonna play i'd just camp a cliff and shoot arrows like fuck you
>>255477859
There's that word again. I will follow your traces from now on and if you misuse it again I will find you and curbstomp your face so fucking hard that all your teeth fall out.
>>255477643
Actualy Archers served as support infantry once they had spend their arrows.
War in the middle ages was not like strategy games, there were no dedicated range only units.
An archer always carried axes, long knives or pikes with them to join the battle once the forces got too close to each other.
>>255477203
>spears are the ultimate warfare and 1v1 weapon
I'd argue that there's a reason pikes and halberds replaced them.
![5221c[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iaRpzOT.jpg "5221c[1].jpg")
Were there ever any axes or maces with knuckleguards or baskethilts?
>>255477964
When zombie times come me and my shaolin spade will be a-okay and you'll be dead.
>>255476610
Here, have some ..interesting design notes from the series. The longsword actually turns up a few brief times, it appears to have a hollow centre. Weight reasons maybe?
>>255477859
That's fucking retarded.
A european longsword is far more versatile and a lot more durable as well.
>>255478192
I'd argue that pikes are a subset of spears.
>>255470757
All of them in Guild Wars 1.
I went from Sword -> Hammer -> Hammer R/W -> Axe, then I just learned I enjoyed them all and they each brought something different to the table.
>>255476841
But Gi-Ants don't have any arm slots.
>>255476981
>fantasy is real life guise
there is a reason why the spear was the single most common weapon across the entire planet along with the bow for almost all human history
it dominates everything and is perfectly built for the human body
the sword and the gun are just derivatives of the spear's basic design
Unless you have actually used a spear
or seen one in action, it’s hard to imagine just
how lethal it can be. A good, sharp spear,
measuring 6 feet in length and weighing 2 lbs. or
more, can easily be stabbed through the toughest hide to create a wound channel two feet long by three inches wide! What’s more, unlike the wound channel of a bullet, the wound channel of a spear can be immediately enlarged to gigantic proportions. All one has to do is pump the shaft up and down or twist it from side to side. Just imagine the swath a 13" blade could cut through a chest cavity as it’s rotated back and forth over
a full 180° arc! This same spear hits twice as hard when thrown. That’s right! Penetration of a hand thrown spear through flesh and bone rivals that produced by a 470 Nitro Elephant Rifle. A good spear man can easily hurl his spear completely through a bull elk, moose, grizzly bear or even a cape buffalo
the fact is for mid range fighting the Spear is king, weather its hunting or combat.
the axe is nothing compared to it and is highly situational
>>255474521
You seem to think the only part of a spear that's a weapon is the sharp pointy bit. While it's an important part of the spear, there is also the shaft itself and the weight at the end for balance. When a guy closes in, these parts of the weapon do not disappear and you are perfectly capable of flipping it around and whacking a nigger in the fucking face with the back of the spear and then kick him in the dick and knock him over so you can stab him in the fucking face with the spearhead.
>>255475664
My man!
>>255477381
I don't think you fucks quite understand the appeal of a hammersword.
you can fucking cave in a niggas skull or you can fucking cleave said skull in half, you can do goddamn aynthing you fucking want with a hammersword
>>255477643
r u srs
archers wreck in close combat in Chivalry
I always tear apart these cunty knights thinking they are hot shit until I'm jumping around them in circles and quickly slashing them to death
>>255477859
>It can literally do just about anything.
Except penetrate armor or chainmail.
>>255478323
Depending on your definition of spear, it can either be the ancestor of weapons such as the pike or halberd, or the collective term, so I guess we're both right
>>255475981
maces were also known as the go to weapon to waste some rich armorfags shit, so much that they were banned at one point by the catholic church for being 2gud against the nobility.
Unlike the crossbow though, they got unbanned quickly (about 150 years)
>>255478413
It was cheap to make, easy to learn and required no special crafting or technical skills.
It is generally outclassed by most other weapons except in specific situations.
>>255477859
![sh2294-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rjZ0t0F.jpg "sh2294-2[1].jpg")
>>255477859
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.
Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.
Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.
Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:
(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork
Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?
tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
>>255474521
>drop spear
>pull out sword
Now you have an advantage again. See how easy that was?
>>255478262
One would assume, though they probably wouldn't be the best since it would limit your offensive capabilities (ie making a spike on the axehead useless).
>>255478413
>seriously trying to compare a spear's usefulness against a fucking elephant gun or any firearm, completely disregarding hydrostatic shock, temporary wound cavities, bullet fragmentation, and the range advantage
Just stop. Spears are good weapons but guns are superior in just about every conceivable situation.
>>255478413
>using a knife on a stick
Get a load of this peasant
Cleaver -> Mallet -> Great Axe ->Hand Axe
>>255478717
>they got unbanned quickly (about 150 years)
when is 150 fucking years quickly?
>>255478923
This pasta never fails to amuse me.
![100_6026[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fWzhE2e.jpg "100_6026[1].jpg")
>>255477770
I seem to recall seeing pictures of a longsword where the crossguard was a hammer head. Damned if I can find them now, though.
>>255478262
It happened a few times, mostly in the middle east and india. These are Ottoman.
>>255478961
>guns are superior in just about every conceivable situation
what about having no ammo
>>255478413
spears prolly ur favorite weapon cuz it resembles ur favorite past timedildo
>>255478747
nothing outclasses it one on one
which is why it was still used effectively for millennia against all opponents
even today it is extremely effective, combined with a dagger for close combat you can outmatch anyone, even in some cases a rifleman
pic related
>>255479118
compared to the 500-700 that the crossbow was, yeah it WAS "quickly"
>>255479148
fuck the crossguard hammerhead nigger I want a goddamn SWORD with a fucking HAMMER on the end of it
>>255479149
What if the spear doesn't have the spearhead? That's basically what you're arguing here.
And if the gun doesn't have ammo, it's still somewhat useful as a club.
>>255479149
Someone throwing javelins would run out of them before the person with hundred something shot in his rifle and clothes.
I'm pretty tired of games only having swords so I've been having a boner for anything blunt or exotic, never liked axes though i can appreciate their efficiency.
Mfw no shovel knight reference
>>255479229
Deflect it down then chop it in half.
ggs kiddo
>>255478747
That depends.
You're right that it had basically no skill floor (sharp end goes into other man), but an experienced and skilled spearman is a force to be reckoned with. Between a spearman and a swordsman of the same skill and experience, it would more come down to who made a mistake first.
>>255479229
are you seriously suggesting that your magic spear gives you the power to dodge or block automatic gunfire?
There's something about bashing people with blunt weapons.
if you can git gud with a Yari spear, you cannot be bested in battle
the literal git gud of the world
![1280px-Bayonet[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZCTTeTi.jpg "1280px-Bayonet[2].jpg")
>>255479149
Then you turn it into a spear
>>255479594
Why is he about to stab that unarmed man?
>>255478717
neat didn't know that. I did know about crossbows though.
>>255479646
He's proving a point.
>>255479646
training or someshit, I can't imagine he let him that close w/o stabbin'
>>255479646
That's the fetish of the unarmed guy.
>>255479291
a spear without a spearhead can still be used as a quarterstaff to extreme effectiveness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2YgGY_OBx8
you people have no idea what a spear is capable of and obviously have never used one
spears for fishing or hunting are one of the most effective weapons and honestly more useful in many cases than firearms
>>255479646
There is a spider on the man's chest, and he is trying to kill it.
>>255470757
I'll use both axe and sword
>>255479381
>Implying anyone even remembers that shit game anymore
>>255479795
That doesn't look like training. That looks like a real bayonet in motion and the other guy seems to be bracing himself for the thrust.
>>255479417
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You're a fucking retard. Try chopping through a spear haft made of good wood in one stroke with... anything, really. Except maybe a woodcutter's axe.
gg dumbass
>>255479260
So a sword, that doesn't cut a fucking thing, a sword that isn't a fucking sword, but an unsword, blade without blade, needle without point, knife without edge.
Also a bad hammer with most likely aesthetics of Hamburger Helper,
>>255479421
Arguably, yes. Of course, attrition-wise, the spearman is at disadvantage; only the greeks really bothered to make their spears remotely durable, i.e. the Dorys or Sarissa; most medieval and later examples were decidedly brittle, vulnerable to merely striking an extended shaft.
Situational weapon in every sense, really; the Halberd or poll axe are a decided improvement on the idea by giving the wielder at least some lateral offensive; flanking was murder on hoplites and such.
>>255479961
Question: is dual wield spears viable?
>>255480064
It's a fucking picture from WWI, they probably had to keep that fucking pose for an hour.
>>255476115
L0L
>>255479417
>chop it in half
>just like my Japaneses animes!
fact is ANY pole weapon has a huge advantage over close combat weapons like swords or axes
>>255480204
they'd have to be fucking light which then just defeats the purpose
>>255480157
>claims a weapon is good
>admits it could be cut in half by a tool
>>255480157
he's a moron, but it would be trivial to beat the pole part to the side
