What do you think of the Metroid franchise?
bretty good
>>253047138
I think it was fucking stellar until the guy who created Fusion and Other M stepped in a fucked everything up.
>>253047138
Peaked with Super.
Took a nosedive with Fusion.
Peaked again with Prime 2.
Went into a tailspin with Other M.
I don't think it's coming back for a while.
Hope a new game comes out soon and it's really good so everybody can move past "that game"...
>>253047581
>Took a nosedive with Fusion.
>Peaked again with Prime 2.
Boring.
Metroid/Zero Mission/super metroid are all pretty good.
Prime 1/2 are just downright boring, especially prime 2; just too much boring backtracking.
I never played prime 3 because 2 bored me so much
>>253047867
It's about atmosphere for me, which Echoes does best in the franchise IMO. Opinions is opinions, anon.
A collection of great games with one unfortunate exception. Probably my favorite vidya series.
>>253047894
>boring
how? it makes you feel so lonely and depressed and it's so quiet and still all the time. it's like the best feeling ever. you can just wallow in echoes 2 for days.
or you can speedrun it in about 4 hours.
I had never played any metroid game before, but i bought the Prime Collection to have something more to play on my Wii U, and holy shit, i'm loving it. It's got amazing atmosphere, and i really didn't expect how different it would feel from some standard generic fps crap. It's all lore, exploration, puzzles, and atmosphere. Love it.
>>253048781
After you're done with that, I'd recommend the 2D titles highly as well.
>>253048526
Not that guy but that game frustrated me so much I couldn't get into the atmosphere
>>253048916
I was planning on Zero Mission next, especially since it's on the eshop. still got lots of Prime Trilogy to go though. Just got the Wave beam in the first one.
>>253049331
>especially since it's on the eshop
Hate to break it to you, but it's currently Japan-only. There's no word on an English release yet.
>tfw the influx of ZSSfags once smash 4 comes out might kill all Metroid discussion on /v/
Fuck Zero Suit samus autists the cancer killing the franchise next to the Other M autists.
Can't wait for Miyamoto-sensei to grace us with proper metroid game so he can write the wrongs of Sakamoto. Glad that waifufag is fucking off from his own series he helped make
>>253047428
What's this? Some kind of mod?
I love it.
Back in 2000 my dad had a PC with ZSNES and a shitton of games, one of the was Super Metroid, and for some reason the only playable part of the game was a Save Room where my dad had previously saved, if you tried to leave it the game would freeze for whatever reason. I was very young at the time and my mother language isn't English, so I didn't know what the fuck I was doing most of the time, I also didn't want to fuck with the menu options too much because I thought I could screw with my dad's computer so I never started a new file, so I just played on that little Save Room, and for some reason I really liked how the Power Suit looked. So then Prime came out and I immediately recognized the Power Suit, so I asked for a GameCube and a copy of Metroid Prime for christmas and that's exactly what I got, and holy shit, it blew me the fuck away.
>>253049769
Just because of how obnoxious you are I will dump my ZSS folder every time I see a metroid thread
>>253049883
Emulator screenshot of Prime
There's a whole bunch of them here
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ge971nchrtcyd5a/AABHqDW0bMhvXIojBzt9M0EQa
>>253049883
No, that's just a screenshot of Prime in Dolphin.
>>253050062
>>253049883
Huh, I don't remember a chozo statue in a lava room. Maybe it's time I replayed the game.
>>253050004
That guy's mildly annoying, but you seem like a downright cunt.
>>253049726
aww, really? bleh. I guess i might have to play it in a less respectable way then. Also, how is Hunters? I keep hearing mixed opinions on that.
Love it, it's my favorite franchise.
HD Prime 4 is going to be fap material, and whatever they do with the new 2D one will be amazing, too.
After Other M, Metroid really has nowhere to go but up.
>>253047581
Thank you my nigga. Prime 2 was stellar
>>253047497
Fusion actually does linear metroid well in my opinion. At least WAY BETTER THAN OTHER M.
Maybe cause I've been playing it as a mobile game on my phone...
Metroid is fucking fantastic, though I think Super is rather overrated
>>253050004
Good for you kiddo. Nextime If you want me to take you seriously try and act like a civilized instead of sperging out nextime.
>>253050405
Hunters had good multiplayer and bad singleplayer, unfortunately there's no online for it now
>>253048781
>standard generic fps
Don't let the first person view and the fact that you shoot fool you, it's an adventure game through and through.
I've seen a lot of people who have never played the Prime games who think they're FPS games.
And I see you're still pretty early on, have fun!
I played through them all a while back, my gf got me Trilogy for my bday, going to be playing through it next semester.
>>253050405
Hunters had good multiplayer, but extremely repetitive and uninspired singleplayer. Sadly, hackers infested the multiplayer, and Nintendo eventually shut the servers down.
>>253050150
It was a small room inside Magoor caverns, connected to one of the big rooms, that held an artifact under the statue (you needed power bomb for it)
>>253050630
>>253050551
Too bad the multiplayer was 95% Samus because of her homing super missiles and 5% Trace because "muh stealth headshots!"
Metroid is a great franchise. It deserves more recognition than it gets, but I'm suspicious part of the reason it's remained such a great franchise is that it mostly stays focused on its core fanbase and doesn't try to appeal to the mythical "wider audience."
Although Other M was an abomination and should be written off as non-cannon and forgotten.
>>253050830
>doesn't try to appeal to the mythical "wider audience."
Prime 3 seemed like it was trying to. There was far too much combat and not enough puzzles.
>>253050449
lmao i saw this girl selling gamecube games on ebay and ppl were bidding on them solely because shes a grill gamer
Metroid 2 is best metroid.
AM2R will make people realize how much of a masterpiece it is.
Super Metroidisn't that great, but is still the second best metroid game.La-mulana remake is better than all of them
Metroid Prime 2 > Metroid Prime 3 > Metroid Prime
Other M is shit.
People will think my post is bait and notmy opinion.
>>253049769
metroid discussion is already mostly dead.
I get sick everytime I see a metroid thread these days.
>>253050997
>Metroid Prime 2 > Metroid Prime 3 > Metroid Prime
>>253050997
>Metroid 2 is best metroid.
How hipster of you.
The Prime series decreased in quality over time, maybe because Nintendo loosened the leash a bit and let Retro experiment a bit. Prime 3 is still a good game though.
>>253050932
>>253051193
I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo wanted Retro to make the game more accessible.
Probably because it was an early Wii title.
>>253050997
Wrong Opinions: The Post
>>253050830
An interesting point, I can see that.
Especially something like Prime for example, new Metroid game, with FPS games becoming big, but Retro really sticks to the core Metroid feel and then kicks it up a notch, instead of making a "new age" Metroid that just reskinned a generic FPS with Samus and space priates.
Take Other M, which decided to take a bold new direction by focusing on story and action. They really focused on those (and did a mediocre job on the action and a terrible job on the story), but then forgot to make the game, you know, Metroid, and left out a lot of what made the series great: exploration, non-linearity, item collection, etc.
>>253051278
Prime 3 is definitely designed to be more accessible. You have NPCs giving you advice constantly, checkpoints, and a more in your face story.
>>253050997
I agree entirely with this post and even I know my opinions are really fucking shitty and wrong
Anyone else think Dark Samus was a really fucking stupid antagonist? It did literally nothing in Prime 2; you could remove it entirely and the game would be exactly the same. Then in Prime 3 it was barely in the game until you fought it during an extremely anticlimactic final boss fight,
>>253051193
>maybe because Nintendo loosened the leash a bit and let Retro experiment a bit
That didn't really happen, though. Prime 2 was the result of Nintendo rejecting Retro's original proposal for a sequel and telling them to make a Prime 1 rehash in under a year. Prime 3 was severely scaled back from Retro's original intentions as well- in-depth ship mechanics were cut, and Retro's proposal to have Samus actually hunt bounties throughout the game was denied.
>>253051616
Yeah, the Ing and Phaaze should have been the primary antagonists.
>>253050997
>tfw Metroid 2 was my first game into the franchise.
Shit kicked my ass as a kid but ui managed to beat it dispite how much of a clusterfuck the game was without a map. One of the games I was proud of beating as a kid
>>253050997
If that is your opinion then I can respect it, but that doesn't make you any less wrong.
>>253050830
It definitely deserves more recognition. also, i don't get why SJWs are always clamoring for genderswap link, when they could be clamoring for more Samus instead.
>>253051676
>mfw Japan won't let Samus actually do her job because "Bounty Hunting is too mean"
Yeah, fuck off, it was a great idea.
>>253047138
never played it.
>>253051616
in Prime 2 the point was that it was building up to 3. and I don't get how killing 3 hunters and absorbing them along with staging a massive attack counts as barely in the game.
also all final boss fights are anticlimactic if you think about it.
>>253050997
I want a finished Metroid 2 remake, what i played of AM2R makes it seem like it would be really cool
>>253050997
Metroid 2 is good, but how is it better than Super Metroid/ZM? I even put it on the same level as Fusion just for how barebones M2 is.
>>253050997
>>253051713
>tfw I played Metroid 2 last and loved the fuck out of it.
>>253051676
It's goddamn amazing that Retro was able to make Prime 2 in less than a year and it still felt like a brand new game rather than a reskin of the first one like Majora's Mask was to OoT.
Consistently strong. Only Other M lacks any outstanding strengths as far as I'm concerned.
>>253051894
No, Sakamoto's problem isn't that bounty hunting is mean, it's that he thinks a "hero" like Samus would never accept payment for jobs and would do everything pro bono.
>>253051616
>final boss wasn't even Dark Samus, it was just some gay ass brain
My favourite video game series.
I hope it isn't dead.
>>253052069
That makes no sense. MM is just as different from OoT as Echoes was from Prime. Slightly shinier graphics, generally darker tone, new (and somewhat controversial) mechanics, brand new regions. Otherwise both games are fundamentally similar to their predecessors.
>>253050570
The problem is the FPS label is too all-encompassing
I've heard everything from Mirror's Edge to Fallout: NV to fucking Deus Ex get called "first person shooters". What do they have in common? The perspective and movement of the camera. Also there are guns that you can sometimes use. Is that really all it takes to define a whole fucking genre?
And it's sad because the term has now become almost universally associated with schlock like Call of Duty and thus there are people who will be immediately turned off from playing a game as soon as someone tells them it's an "FPS".
Genre labels are stupid.
>>253051893
The franchise is not big enough to be on thier radar Guarantee most don't even know that Metroid is a girl.
>>253052385
Nintendo said they're looking at the 2D and Prime titles and thinking about the best way to bring some of both into the future.
>>253050997
I also enjoy being contrary.
My favourite Metroid is Prime Hunters. People are just too stupid to understand what it really was.
>>253051913
How was Prime 2 building to 3 when nothing that happened in 2 had any effect on 3?
Prime 2 was like Mass Effect 2: just a big waste of time and only made because the word "trilogy" sounds cool and so that the publisher could get profits from three games instead of two.
>>253047138
It was one of the most consistently solid game franchise up until MOM.
>>253051616
>Prime 2: Crazed Druggie
>Prime 3: Intergalactic Druglord Controlling Everyone through Phazon
Yeah, they kind of jumped ahead too much. Prime 1+2 felt like they were just small stories about Samus and Metroid Prime, just a few chapters in her life and travels. Prime 3 went too big in scope and lost that feeling.
>>253051913
>also all final boss fights are anticlimactic if you think about it.
No.
W101 spoilers: http://youtubedoubler.com/ak2n
>>253052419
MM is 90% recycled assets from OoT. Echoes is entirely original stuff. Even Samus has a brand new model.
>>253052534
People understood that it was a multiplayer game, but most people didn't want that from Metroid.
>>253051713
same here.
>mfw i did it 100% first full play through
>dat ending doe
>came back and played it again about year later
>kinda rushed it for nostalgia
>"thetimehascum.jpeg"
>not in bikini
>start having self doubts about weather it really happened or not.
its okay though, i got it on the 3rd play through when i figured it out.
>decide to go through my Metroid folder to post something relevant.
>only these in there.
>>253052602
Was helping the Luminoth a waste of time?
Was dual world Prime gameplay a waste of time?
>>253052385
well you're in luck, Nintendo has mentioned plans for both 2d and 3d metroid recently.
>>253051893
for whatever reason, the Zelda franchise is easily one of the most popular franchises for girls that actually play real video games. my guess is that most of these people wanting genderswapped link have never played a Metroid game. Metroid is not nearly as big of a franchise and i think it has a much smaller % of female fans.
>>253051676
It's just sad how awful Nintendo can be AMD how much they just plain don't fucking understand the west at all. They really need to just let retro do their thing. They're not some baby new studio, they have cherry picked talent from several great western devs, they know what they're doing. Honestly a Metroid with concepts like that alien space cruiser or full world exploration is EXACTLY what the Wii u needs to attract western fans. Stuff like corruption is fun but it does not get full attraction. Like shit someone needs to just slap the face of whoever is ruining their creative freedom whether it be Miyamoto or whoever
>>253050997
No, but I do think your opinion is shit, your tastes are abysmal and that you're retarded.
>>253052731
>Echoes is entirely original stuff.
No it isn't, a bunch of enemies and models are ripped from the first game.
>>253052884
If Samus hadn't helped the Luminoth then the Ing would have spread.
>>253052731
Okay, but aside from that, in terms of actual gameplay the 2 games accomplish very similar things.
>>253052912
It seems like they're willing to be more lax with them now that they made some great DKC games
>>253052648
I thought Phazon was the raddest shit when it was just a mineral that was so radioactive that it mutated anything that got close to it. It was really fucking stupid when Retro turned it into Plot Goop that was used to explain any and all nonsensical shit they came up with, like mind control or evil darkness dimensions.
>>253052912
You overestimate Retro. Also Corruption's planet system should be dropped.
>>253053140
I can dig it.
>>253053140
Fuck, I always fall for that one.
>>253052912
Sadly Nintendo will never fix that. They're far too stubborn to ever realize how wrong they are. It always gets me when I see stuff like that quote of Miyamoto saying he could easily make a game better thank halo if he wanted to. Like why doesn't he? The Wii u could definitely use an original game to appeal to the west but no he thinks making silly robot mini games with waggle and mediocre tower defense stuff is what will save the Wii U.
>>253052978
Technically none of the actual models are ripped from Prime. They did, however, recycle a ton of animations and put new skins on them like MMO's do.
>>253053140
This accurately sums up my feelings
Even though for me MM > OoT and Prime 1 > Prime 2, the sentiment is there
>>253052602
Prime 3 only happened because the Space Pirates stole some phazon from Aether which turned out to be Dark Samus.
>>253053140
>Metroid 2 is the best 2D one
>Metroid Prime 2 is the best 3D one
I am okay with this
>>253053140
Surprisingly accurate without being flamebait.
>>253052884
>Was helping the Luminoth a waste of time?
Yes.
>Was dual world Prime gameplay a waste of time?
Double yes. Most of the dark world was bland and empty, and just there to pad the game time. The air hurting you was the dumbest mechanic ever.
>>253052438
>>253052902
Isn't that fucking insane when you think about it? An adventure game with puzzles and exploration starring a badass woman like Samus Aran has far less women who've ever touched it compared to an adventure game with puzzles starring link. Yet they still pretend to care enough to get butthurt over her cool new shoes in the new smash.
>>253053591
If Samus hadn't destroyed Dark Aether, it would've eventually turned into a Phaaze clone and probably destroyed the entire universe.
>>253053140
>Cheesy
>Shitty
>Voice acting
>Retarded plot and out-of-character moments everywhere
>Everyone with half a brain would rather ignore it and consider it non-canon
Yeah, it fits
>>253053269
This. The marketing department wants players to believe that the more planets/worlds/mansions you cram into a game the bigger it is, but in reality all those planets are extremely tiny to make up for it. What makes the universe seem more vast, the tiny multiple planets we explored entirely in Prime 3, or the one planet we only saw a tiny piece of in Prime?
>>253052884
No to both. It felt like a side-mission Samus took, and it works very well like that. It just didn't need to be connected to some global conflict, which is what Prime 3 tried.
>>253053735
Because they play Smash. If it happens in the Metroid series, it doesn't show up on their radar as much.
With Other M, there was tons of outcry about how poorly Samus' character was handled, but from Metroid fans, and not nearly as many SJWs as you see for everything else recently.
>>253053516
>>253052602
I like to think of it like this.
Prime 1 is what happens when a Leviathan hits a planet and you stop it before shit gets fucked.
Prime 2 is what happens when Leviathans fuck shit up and no one's there to stop it.
Prime 3 is when Leviathans actually become plot relevant, even if they did hit in the first 2 games.
Prime Hunters was a good game.
>>253054059
It was not a good Metroid game.
>>253053970
>and you stop it before shit gets fucked.
You might want to play Prime again to refresh your memory. Shit was already pretty fucked.
>>253053591
>The air hurting you was the dumbest mechanic ever.
Its a good casual filter if you ask me
The planets in Corruption were just like the sections in Prime 1 and 2, you just took a ship instead of an elevator.
>>253054121
Before it gets Aether levels of fucked. Samus was able to stop the damage before it got too bad. Aether never became a Phaaze, but it had it WAY worse than Tallon IV did.
>>253054059
After seeing how KIU handled handheld online, I wouldn't mind seeing a Prime Hunters 2 for 3DS.
>>253054121
It wasn't really though. The chozo came down from their ascended from and were able to build the temple to seal it before they all went crazy. It was still having an effect on the planet but at a rate far far slower than what it would've been otherwise
Never played any of the games, but I like Samus as a character. I think Nintendo has stifled the series and is limiting its potential.
>>253053421
Honestly, I think Nintendo(for the most part) has been massively humbled with the release of the Wii U. They know they have naught but a very core fanbase left, and must try new things to be appealing. I think they have given Retro more freedom- they were given the choice of what game they wanted to do next, and chose to do Dong Freeze. Also, look at splatoon, that's a game miyamoto never would have done, but they're giving new stuff a go.
>>253054164
Only in Agon Wastes. Once you got the Dark Suit it hardly mattered anymore.
Prime > Prime 3 Corruption > Prime 2 Echoes > Other M
>>253054479
Art from adversity.
>>253053140
metroid prime 2 and majora's mask are both the best in their series, I can dig
Can someone tell me why people usually say that Quadraxis was the best boss fight in the Prime games? It constantly shits gold health orbs like they're candy which ruins any tension, and for three fourths of the fight it's just a head that harmlessly floats around the room.
>>253054795
I haven't played Echoes, but I do like the design for Quadraxis a lot. Also, the music was pretty nice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lesncaOmAiQ
>>253053140
the problem with this is that Metroid 2 and LoZ1 are playable in this day and age
>>253054795
Probably the multi-phase battle and sense of scale. I do think it's a somewhat overrated battle - I actually like bosses like Omega Pirate or Gandrayda more - but it is a good one.
>>253053428
>none of the actual models are ripped from Prime
Harmony-Class Drones are literally just Pulse Bombus.
>>253052742
post more samus image macros plzthey make me hard as fuck
>>253053902
Let me put it this way: at the end of Prime 1, when you leave Tallon and see Samus's ship enter the stars, you're leaving that place for good. The player feels as though they're leaving a place they've become familiar with, and they'll never return. The sheer scope of space also makes you think that, just like Tallon, there are numerous other planets that Samus will travel to and explore, and that your adventure was just one out of many. Prime 2 does this as well, and even manages to feel like the space equivalent of riding into the sunset.
Prime 3 tries to do this through a voice-over narration in the credits, but it just doesn't work.
>>253054479
Yeah, they're in an awkward position.
If they try to hard to appeal to a broader audience, they lose their core fans, the people who are keeping the Wii U afloat.
If they cater to the core fans, we're happy and buy more games, but they don't expand as much.
Games like Mario3dWorld, Kart, and Smash can hit both groups well, hopefully they have more successful games like that. Zelda might hit both groups well too, but idk if it'll be enough to sell Wii U's to a new generation who may not have played a Zelda game before.
>>253054986
Metroid 1 is playable in this day and age, albeit barely. Zelda II, even more so. They both feature some fairly obtuse progression barriers, but it's not so bad as to label them "unplayable".
>>253055125
>If they try to hard to appeal to a broader audience, they lose their core fans
Why do you think that?
>>253054795
For me it had great build up
You fight min versions through out the whole area. And you see the half finished version in the light world a ton, hinting at what you will have to face. Then all the lore builds at what was going on making it out to be this awesome death machine.
And as for the actual fight, it requires you to use tons of different abilities, morph ball, boost ball, magnet ball, power bomb, light beam, dark beam, super missiles, echo visor, etc. And all his forms are just you taking him apart bit by bit slowly breaking him. Repeat play through might make him get boring but the first time through feels very epic
>>253053735
Not really that much of a surprise. The Zelda franchise has been the bigger franchise for a long time now. There weren't ANY Metroid games on the N64, while Zelda became established as a franchise juggernaut with OoT and MM. Every single Nintendo platform has at least one Zelda game, and most have two. We all saw how much fanfare the Zelda franchise got for its 25th anniversary compared to the Metroid franchise.
It's hard to be a fan of something you don't know much about. Most people nowadays probably mainly know Samus from Smash Bros., which doesn't really tell anyone anything about what the Metroid franchise is like or what kind of a character Samus is.
>>253055095
>>253054283
Only Prime 3's areas were boring aesthetically except for Skytown.
>>253055594featherpubes
>>253055326
I'd say they can totally expand the games without losing core fans. They really need to nail the feeling of epic and loneliness with the next Metroid.
Also fix the advertising. If you look up the ads and trailers for all the prime games, they're all awful. I don't know how they ever got any sales with how bad the marketing was.
>>253055125
>>253055326
Yeah, i don't think they'll lose their core audience by appealing to a broader one, nor the opposite, I just think they need to pump out more quality unique titles, which will attract the core, naturally, and a broader audience will come to that as well. They're stepping up their game because another NSMB won't help sell Wii Us.
>>253054581
essentially.
>>253055625
>Bryyo
>Pirate Homeworld
>boring
>>253055560
Not him butSmash was the first time I ever saw Link. I got OoT as a kid because I wanted to know who this green dude was.
>>253055326
Because stuff like Wii Sports doesn't really hold the core gamers, though I guess that's a bit extreme.
I guess what I'm worried of is casualization, like making games easier, more linear, giving more hints, removing advanced types of play, not requiring any real depth of thinking.
>>253055815
Bryyo is exceptionally boring. Pirate Homeworld is slightly better but still boring.
>>253056023
>MOONS CHAINED TO THE SURFACE OF THE PLANET
>boring
>>253055625
Eh, I was fond of Pirate Homeworld myself. Whenever I replayed Corruption I was really excited to get back to it. I also liked the abandoned spaceships, but those are long-standing staples of the series. Really, I'd only say Bryyo and Norion were boring. Phaaze had pretty neon lights. I like pretty neon lights.
>>253055953
Those are two different kinds of audiences. Wii sports is full on casual crowd, Nintendo needs to get some appeal from the dudebro audience. Right now they have a problem of everything going straight for casuals still. They need to drop that or they will die
>>253055560
That is definitely true. However, part of the genius of smash, is the marketing power of it. The characters in smash, especially from less known series, all get a LOT more popular after being in smash.
>>253055858
This is what i mean.
Take that, and then look at Fire Emblem, and even Earthbound to an extent. Even if smash is where you first saw a character, as it was for me, you'd think Samus would be getting some more notice than none at all from people outside the core metroid fanbase.
>>253056023
Tell me anon what environments excite you?
>>253056134
>MOONS CHAINED TO THE SURFACE OF THE PLANETThose are no moons. They're spaceships.
>>253055795
This prime trailer was pretty baller
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewcljvJQAQA
It's absolutely shit. There's nothing redeemable about it whatsoever.
The best game in the series is Metroid Prime, and it's just decent.
>>253047138
Seems like a series I would love but I just can't get into it. I've played Metroid and Super Metriod but I got too bored to finish. Bought the Prime collector's edition but I've only finished 1. Didn't even like it all that much I kinda forced myself to finish. Quickly got too bored for 2 and haven't even started 3. Played the Hunter's multiplayer with friends once and that was cool. Ironically the only game I can honestly say I really enjoyed was Other M.
>>253050460
I agree. It's wildly overrated. It's fans are too nostalgia-drunk to see its flaws: Maridia, the wonkiness of the space jump and the grapple beam, and that god awful Mother Brain boss fight.
Zero Mission is my personal favorite, it's fast paced as fuck and the power grip is the best.
>>253056860
How come Nintendo doesn't do commercials like this anymore? That was awesome.
>>253057074
Gotta be family friendly for the kids
>>253057074
How come there are no video game commercials at all?
>>253057305
Internet
>>253057269
No, fuck that. That was a good commercial. Seemed like something 90's Nintendo would do, though that's hardly surprising given that Prime came out in the early 2000's. This is before Iwata's rise to presidency, isn't it?
>>253056860
Compare that to the commercial for corruption
http://youtu.be/6kdAaGczvws
As amusing as those Japanese guys were, it's noticeably appealing more to casuals than the prime ads were. It's also the lopwest selling prime game despite being the only one on the Wii which sold 6x as much as the cube
>>253057553
I liked the "Wii would like to play" ad campaign, but it probably wasn't the best fir for Corruption. Still, it did highlight its better uses of motion controls. Grapple Lasso was legit.
>>253057893
I wish you could use the Grapple Voltage to kill regular enemies so it didn't feel so damn useless.
>>253058003
Eh, you can kill small enemies with it and they explode with overloaded energy. It's kinda fun to watch I guess, but I was always fonder of the energy siphon.
>>253057010
Can't believe someone enjoyed Other M?
>>253057893
While neat, the commercial only really showcases the waggle gimmicks prime 3 had to appeal to casuals. It didn't focus on story, music, visuals or feel of Metroid much at all. For the regular dudebro who plays halo and stuff, watching that commercial would probably have put them off about getting the game
>>253058232
I don't think Other M is as bad as people make it out to be. It's not GOOD, but it's not really deserving of pariah status either. It was a mediocre game with a shit story and shittier characterization. That said, it's weird that someone would only enjoy Metroid when it's not Metroid.
>>253058232
>>253058512
>>253058330
In all fairness Metroid Prime isn't really like Halo from a game design perspective, but I get what you're saying.
>>253058680
Hunters is similar to Halo in some aspects.
>>253058512
>It was a mediocre game with a shit story and shittier characterization
In a unique, critically acclaimed, highly regarded series.
That's why people make it out to be THAT bad.
If this was released as a non-Metroid game, no one would notice, it'd be bought by some and left to obscurity, some people would find it a decent "under the radar" title.
But when you take a series like Metroid, completely remove everything that makes it Metroid, pretty much shit on your main character and the lore for the series, and leave the series on that note for several years, it tends to get people annoyed.
Fusion best game
>>253059095
I will give it the best sound design
>>253058512
No, this is unacceptable. See pic related.
Even if the game is objectively okay it still is shit compared to the rest of the series. It was a mess of bad decisions and should not be given any sequel or spinoff.
>>253059345
Ooh, that's a good image to stop shitposters.
>>253059032
And Hunters is almost nothing like the rest of the series. But yes, both games do have relatively similar gameplay.
>>253059752
unfortunately it hasn't in any other previous thread.
>>253047138
Fusion was it's point of downfall. All this focus on fetish suit samus and "exploring her character" have resulted in ruin. She is shit now and the games are following suit.
What's your favorite boss fight from the series?
Favorite music track?
>>253059345
That, I won't argue with. Other M should NEVER happen again.
I want Samus to put on a bikini and pose for me.
>>253060553
SA-XSA-X battle themetfw 9 other SA-Xs didn't start chasing you on the way back to your ship
>>253060553
Quadraxis.
Can't really say what my favorite track is. I do really like the Emperor Ing 2 theme.
>>253060553
I don't think I have a favorite boss, but I do have a favorite song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuPJm2XQT0ATo this day Torvus Bog remains one of my favorite water levels in all of vidya.
>>253060553
Ridley from Super, Phendrana Drifts Depths.
>>253050551
The single player had an amazing atmosphere. I never felt so lonely in a metroid game ever before.
>>253062887
I don't think it compares to anything in Prime 1 or 2
>>253062887
u wot m8
There were bounty hunters around to take you down at a moment's notice. You actually weren't alone in Hunters. Fusion did a much better job of invoking a sense of isolation, let alone Metroid 1/2, Super, or Prime 1/2.
I need some help here guys, I've just finished the prime trilogy in the last couple of days. I loved all three guys and got really imersed in each one because of atmosphere and music and all that good shit. It's left me really wanting to play other M but I'm afraid it will ruin my love for the series if I do. Should I leave it be or is everyone exaggerating how bad it is?
>>253063707
Don't play it.
>>253063306
>In metroid prime you fight pirates, so you're not alone, in prime 2 you fight the ing, so you're not alone!
Nice logic, fag.
>>253063707
It really is shit, and it undermines all the great stuff in the Prime series. Play the 2D games instead.
>>253063707
just play Fusion
>>253063707
Other M is pretty bad.
Like, bad stuff that it does:
The game actively keeps you from exploring.
Just got a new power up and suddenly you're remembering all these previous areas where it would come in handy?
Too bad. The door to get back there has locked behind you. You're stuck on a one way trip through the plot.
The dodge mechanic was busted.
It avoids all damage and awards you with a free full charge on your beam.
And there's no punishment for mistiming a dodge attempt.
So go ahead and mash d-pad to win.
Missiles are really awkward to use because of the reorientation of the controller you have to do, and because of how it restricts movement.
The result is that you just never use them outside of times you absolutely have to.
Pixel hunts where you're locked into looking for a specific part of the environment to advance the plot.
Bump while I read
>>253064001
But why anon?? Is it the music? Is it the bosses? Why is it so different from the prime games? Is it at least worth playing for the story elements if It has any at all
>>253064424
Thank you for your input, I actually feel a little bit like crying now. How could they do this to the series? Why butcher a good thing? I won't sleep tonight until I find out the real motives behind this bullshit.
>>253064516
I got a third of the way and got bored
Probably my favorite Metroid games in order: Fusion, Prime 2, Prime 1. Never got 3 because it lost its glory to me at the requirement of the wiimote. Didn't play any more handelds either. I'm curious to see what a new one would be like on the wiiu.
>>253065097
Sakamoto happened. For some reason he didn't realize what made the 2D games he worked on so great.
>>253065124
If you liked Fusion, you'll definitely like Zero Mission and Super Metroid.
>>253065124
For me it's
Prime = Super > Prime 2 > Zero Mission > Fusion = Prime 3 > Metroid 2 > Metroid 1 > Hunters > Other M
Never played Pinball.
>>253065341
got a friend of mine into metroid games. he loved fusion.
after super he said it was bogged down by the controls and not giving the player any time to enjoy the new power or weapon before everything became immune to it.
>>253065229
Currently writing a harsh and insulting fan-grill email now, I will demand they remove other m from the cannon
>>253052978
>a bunch
If by a bunch you mean like 10 enemies, yeah.
>>253053254
There is nothing you can say to stop me from liking Phazon and Dark Samus.
>>253056731
That's even cooler, and he finds it boring?
It's pretty interesting how Retro approached the Metroid setting like a sci-fi universe, and how that made them come into conflict with Sakamoto at every turn. It seems like Sakamoto doesn't really give a crap about the sci-fi angle at all, it's just a big space fantasy setting where he continually introduces completely retarded ideas that make no sense at all and contradict what's been established in the series.
I can understand the mentality although I don't respect it at all, but what I can't begin to fathom is why Sakamoto is so protective of his totally retarded universe. If he's going to play fast and loose like that, why didn't he just give Retro the go ahead to do whatever? Like, it wasn't okay for Retro to make a Metroid version of System Shock 2, but Sakamoto's mind-boggling dumb story that took the exact same plot but made it a thousand times more retarded with a Mother Brain-clone gynoid thing fits perfectly. Why.
>>253066563
STOP LIKING THINGS I DON'T LIKE
I remember being a little kid, playing through Super Metroid, and getting to the part where, after going through Brinstar, you end up in Norfair and cannot leave until you get a specific item. Once you finally get it, you exit Norfair and end up at your ship, and this music starts playing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lTWCkF8B3o
I had the feeling that everything that had come before that music playing was just introductory. Getting used to the mechanics, how to find/use items and how things would generally work from there on out.
When I heard that music for the first time, I felt like the game was encouraging me, like a harbinger of an epic journey filled with hardship but also triumph. The contrast between this song and the somber, isolationist songs that made up the rest of the soundtrack only made it stand out more. And so I set out to beat Super Metroid.
Eventually I came to the final boss, and the cutscene in which Samus gets hit by that fuckin crazy hyper beam thing. She's on her last legs, nearly dead and you can't control her, you feel so helpless just like she must feel. Then the metroid comes to save you, and you get that overcharged lazer that fucking wrecks everything.
When Samus stood back up, and the first drum beats of that very same song started to play, I was on cloud nine. I knew what was coming. And destroying Mother Brain as Samus' theme played in the background was one of the best experiences I ever had as a child.
>>253053254
>phazon
>mind control
What? You mean when Dark Samus killed the other hunters and then possessed them? After Samus beat them she just absorbed them since they couldn't defeat Samus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPOIX7g2kQE
I just came here to post this.
God damn.
>Metroid through MP 3 story
SO FUCKING GOOD
Literally the best universe in any game series ever.
>Fusion and Other M
Go fuck yourselves. Shitty Shit McShit.
>>253070317
>fusion
>bad
kill yourself
its fine if you don't like it but it is average. other M is infinitely worse, even with fusion being the second worst game.
>>253070317
I'm playing the first game right now and I don't seen any apparent story. I was in one space station and then I saw ridley and then everything blew up and I fell down. Now I have a wave beam and there's snow outside.I'm scared
>>253071164
Did you read the lore?
2D Metroid story
>Simplistic, let players explore a deserted planet, finding enemies and bosses as they go
>Super Metroid ending, build the story into the game
Prime story
>Minimal on the surface, let players explore to find out about it
>Put tons of lore in logs and lore scattered throughout the game
>Players piece together story on their own as a reward for exploring
>Prime 2, Luminoth tell you some stuff about planet, but then leave it to you to do stuff.
>Dark Samus stuff is all visual, show don't tell
>Prime 3 adds more narrative, but keeps scan lore and lets players around on their own for the most part
Other M story
>Sakamoto: You know, what the Metroid series really needs is a focus on storytelling
>We need to explore Samus' conscious, and her insecurities
>We need to show her strained relationship with one of her previous commanders and how she struggles to come to terms with it
>We can do this through the use of cutscenes, and lots of dialogue. In fact, Samus should narrate her point of view, so we realize how lonely she is and how insecure she is
>It doesn't matter if the previous lore from the series is overlooked or contradicted
>Yes, that's exactly what this series needs
>>253071718
Oh? I actually have to read that stuff?
>>253071972
You don't, but it does explain what's going on if you're curious.
>>253072045
Well I guess I'll start doing that then
>>253071164
Have you been using the scan visor?
Scanning logs / lore adds them to your log and you can read them.
A lot of nice stuff, everything from Space Pirates having to be reminded that Metroids are not pets and should not be fed, to history of the Chozo, stuff about Samus' tech, events that led to the state of Tallon IV as it is, etc.
I like the one wherethe Space Pirates try to copy Samus' morph ball tech and wind up breaking the spines of the test subjects.
>>253072256
Sheesh, isn't that a tad dark for a Nintendo game?
>>253072406
Metroid's pretty much always been Nintendo's most mature series.
>>253072406
It was developed by a western studio.
>>253072550
>>253072575
I'm just surprised they allowed it
>>253072550
Yeah the game is basically Nintendo's version of Alien
>tfw Miyamoto probably wants more Zero Suit fanservice than ever, and forgot what made Prime good
I expect Sticker star 2: Metroid edition. Except replace stickers with pictures of Samus in her stupid slut suit.
I feel like Fusion wrote themselves into a dead end. Metroids are extinct and the space pirates are no longer a threat. There's nowhere else to go, except for prequels/interquels, but the time between Metroid 1 and 2 has already been unnecessarily drawn out by the Prime series.
Also, they're getting uncreative with bosses. Metroid Prime turned into Dark Samus, which is a clone of Samus. SA-X was a clone of Samus. How many times are they gonna just clone Samus for a boss fight?
>>253073113
Anon, please. Take your medicine.
>>253071921
>Prime story
All of that is really why the Prime games are my favorite entries on the franchise. It's like they found the perfect way of telling a video game story.
I honestly wish more games would make the story into a series of collectable items, because it works so damn well.
>>253073113
Maybe you're just joking and that's cool, but I really don't know why some guys on /v/ are over reacting. Sure, there is more focus on Zero Suit Samus now but that's only because of Smash Bros. and Other M. I don't know why everyone is whining about the recent emphasis on sexualizing the character, as if this is going to be a permanent thing anyway. I'm sure everything will be back to normal come next Metroid game
>>253073261
I already did. It doesn't help the depression I feel knowing that Metroid is screwed either way. Let me regale you on the options we have infront of us.
>Miyamoto actually stays true to his word and makes a good Metroid game with minimal sex fanservice
>everyone hates it and demands more Zero Suit, the game bombs even harder than Other M did, and Sakamoto comes back to "fix" the series
>game is Other M 2
>hailed as genius by /v/ because they want to spite SJW by loving any game with weak females, and they love jacking off to ZSS
>Samus is never allowed to be badass again
I have no hope for this stupid industry.
>>253072668
It's actually played for laughs from what I remember (the test subjects were other space pirates, not kidnapped children or anything).
I believe one Space Pirate makes a log saying that he "believes science team has vapor for brains"
>>253073486
>next Metroid game
good joke anon
>>253073563
Nintendo's working on it
>>253073563
>implying there won't be another metroid game
It's only been like 3 years
>>253073556
Well, the Pirates' stuff is played mostly for laughs.
Not so much the Trooper logs...
>>253070171
Oh fuck I just got through this bit, Ive started replaying the games this weekend. Just got the Grav suit.
>>253073486
>Sure, there is more focus on Zero Suit Samus now but that's only because of Smash Bros. and Other M.
The problem is that it's overencompassing her character. Before, she could be sexy, but that never impeded her ability to be a badass bounty hunter. Now, we're lucky if she's ever even allowed to pick up a gun again without a man authorizing it.
Smash Brothers will make it even worse. Look at the popularity of the Zero Suit and how much people love it compared to the power suit. Look how much people depise the power suit because it isn't "sexy enough" for them. That will have dark implications for the series.
I love the Prime scan lore, like how the Pirates actually respect Samus, though in a fearful way; they recognize her as a formidable foe. They refer to her as "the hunter".
Logs like this one from Prime 2 are nice (the pirates had mistaken Dark Samus for Samus in a new suit):
"Another hunter, wearing the traditional colors of Samus Aran, made planetfall today. Horrific as it may sound, there are two of them now. We are bracing for a new assault. This dire turn of events may bear some good will. One of our scouts in Dark Aether saw a curious encounter. The Dark Hunter attacked the one clad as Samus near a Phazon site. Perhaps they are not allies...but foes. Perhaps we can forge an alliance with the Dark Hunter - an exchange, Phazon for the head of our common enemy."
>>253073812
>Now, we're lucky if she's ever even allowed to pick up a gun again without a man authorizing it.
Like I said, that was only one game. That game was developed by Team Ninja and it was obviously a mistake. Don't worry, the next iteration should be fine.Also, a lot of people like suit samus outside of /v/ and some internet groups
>>253074175
Team Ninja didn't do the story, that was Shitamoto
>>253074246
That was the first time he did a Metroid story in years
>>253074175
Team Ninja only did the gameplay/combat. They had nothing to do with the writing
>>253074175
>Like I said, that was only one game.
One game that nintendo acknowledges over every other Metroid game, and is more canon than any of them. Also, it's a game that never had a single negative comment against it. Everyone at Nintendo sucked up to it, and now Miyamoto will try to make Other M 2. I've seen this before.
>the new Paper Mario will be TTYD like! I promise!- Miyamoto
And look how that turned out.
>>253074436
When the guys at Nintendo were discussing the future of Metroid in a recent interview, they never mentioned Other M.
Obviously they're not allowed to badmouth a product still in stores, but they knew they made a mistake given the awful sales charts.
>>253074436
>Also, it's a game that never had a single negative comment against it.
It seemed like internally they sucked up to Sakamoto, but Other M got bombed hard by critics and fans alike, and didn't do so well on sales.
>>253074550
>When the guys at Nintendo were discussing the future of Metroid in a recent interview, they never mentioned Other M.
This is just clever bait. Sucker people into buying it, pretending that you're going back to your roots. Instant million sales. It's practically EA tier marketing.
>>253074436
Of course they won't talk bad about the game internally. Everyone else hated it.
By the way, the new Paper Mario was actually supposed to be like TTYD until fuck ass Miyamoto had to open his mouth and suggest changes
>>253074571
>panned hard by critics
>>253074701
Obviously. It's not like Other M was originally marketed as going back to its roots, either. I'm sure Nintendo thought it was a great success and want to make more of it.
>>253074715
>Everyone else hated it.
Only people on /v/ hate it. Everywhere else it's considered a cult classic. Ironically even the SJW hoarde loves it because "the white pasty male gamer doesn't."
>>253074915
>one person
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX4mhp-8sOc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfS0254dRRw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX0C0z9Db00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqFm1ei6mjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMI1-DDklqE
>>253074813
Don't get mad, anon. It's just a videogame. That was 2010! People know better now.
>>253073236
>Also, they're getting uncreative with bosses. Metroid Prime turned into Dark Samus
Whoa now, Dark Samus might have become the primary antagonist of the Prime series, but you don't just fight her. There are many other bosses in those games and they have some excellent designs.
The other Hunters in Prime 3 were well done (although the bosses of the Leviathan seeds were kind of meh)
Prime 2 had Larva/Adult Chykka, Alpha Blogg, Quadraxis, Emperor Ing.
>>253074915
>cannibal-sarracenian
Hey I argued with that guy this one time
He thinks the Elder Scrolls retcons are a-okay, too.
Basically for 100% artistic integrity no exceptions
>>253074813
Fuck this gay earth
>>253047138
It's needs a major entry using the control scheme from Metroid Blast.
>>253047138
It's got the worst fanbase on /v/
Prime is also shit
>>253075038
It's not one person. Hell, the user review section of 99% of websites, metacritic included, think this game is some sort of godsend.
>>253075143
I'm not saying it's just her. But still, she shows up in two game, in multiple boss fights. And Fusion had multiple SA-X fights. "Clone Samus" is lazy as fuck.
