>8000 years of civilization in Westeros
>No technological advancement.
Why? I'd at least expect guns by now.
>>71987141
there are no asians hence no advancement
no filipinos, no strongest race to make humanity great
>>71987212
Wow, you literally made the exact comment I was about to make. Word for fucking word lol.
>>71987212
>asians not being cucked by the white man
>comon
>>71987212
What if Asians are to the West and will invade later like Europe did to the Americas?
>>71987141
Humans in the real world have had more than 8000 years to advance, you know. Also, magic.
>>71987267
It took us less than 2000 years to get from the Romans to flight and gunpowder.
>>71987304
>human civilizations didn't exist before the Romans
American education strikes again.
No Yakub. The black super-scientist who was the real life Prometheus.
>>71987141
Westeros also has irregular seasons.
It's a fucking fantasy series.
>>71987366
are you braindead? thats not what he was saying
>>71987267
the magic explanation for stagnant fantasy worlds is usually bad and here it's straight up retarded. yes, magic being available to .01% of the population in a usually limited and unpredictable fashion is going to keep the printing press from being invented, okay.
>>71987141
What did you expect from snowniggers?
>>71987212
>no asian
there are asians in game of thrones they are called the Yi Ti
>>71987141
>white people
I think you know, f a m.
>>71987304
Inventions beget inventions, technology is exponential
>>71987141
Have you seen the people in charge of Westeros?
They are all idiots. Now imagine how dumb the common man must be.
>>71987141
Because technology doesn't work that way.
There's no such thing as exponential progress.
The long winter seasons hold progression back.
>>71987661
Explain our civilization then.
Why do you have to relate real world to a fucking fantasy story? Fuck off.
>>71987540
Yes, he is. The OP asked why there have been no technological advancements in 8000 years of a civilization in Westeros, when the real world civilization has been around for 8000-9000 years itself, and all the real advancements were made in the last few centuries.
>>71987250
Wow, we should fuck.
>>71987738
>when the real world civilization has been around for 8000-9000 years itself.
Our civilization is over 20,000 years old you stupid cunt.
>>71987738
12000 at the least if you count the sumerians and babylonians.
No Ottomans therefore no gunpowder based siege weapons to conquer castles easily.
The African kingdoms didn't exist, therefore mansa musa doesn't exist so no advancement
>>71987141
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MedievalStasis
>Medieval Stasis is a situation in which, as far as the technological, cultural, and sociopolitical level are concerned, thousands of years pass as if they were minutes.
The best logical explanation for the Medieval Stasis in Westeros is the absurd seasons and, during the Long Night, the Others.
>>71987774
no it isn't
>>71987716
That would take quite a while.thibgs jist of it is "people made things to solve problems they had, often resulting in some new things that creates new problems to be solved"
Like how petroleum was discovered by a guy looking for a better way to tar ships because the insurance companies would only insure boats with pitched hulls at the time, and Britain had just lost its biggest source of tar products, the American colonies.
They have different problems in westeros. The dragons in the history of the world are also a big thing, since hey solve certain problems without having to invent things
>>71987904
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0730/Start-date-for-human-civilization-moved-back-20-000-years-or-so
Stupid cunt.
>>71987738
Honestly as there been any technological advancement in 12,000 years? There's a chance that Dawn is that old and it's the best crafted sword. Not much seems to change in Westeros.
>>71987786
earliest written Sumerian records are from c.3100 BC in the Jemdet Nasr period. That's not 12000 years ago bro
>>71987141
Fantasy authors don't really have any sense of scale.
>>71987950
>A new analysis of artifacts from a cave in South Africa reveals that the residents were carving bone tools, using pigments, making beads and even using poison 44,000 years ago.
>bone tools
>pigments
>beads
>poison
>all of that being enough to constitute a society
gtfo nigger
>>71988107
>Civilization.
Stupid cunt.
Its because they didnt found black powder yet
Also, there is a video on youtube explaining the reasons of this slow development
>>71988025
fugg
>>71987141
>8000 years of civilization in Westeros
BRAVO GRRM!
>>71987592
>in Westeros
>>71988140
whatever, you know what i meant you autist.
>trying to use an obviously clickbaity title to advance some shit argument
Technology in Westeros advances at a similar speed a the realworld medieval one. It's just skewed perception that creates the illusion of stagnant technology. Barely anybody in Westeros has the scientific background to assess the advances correctly. They project their contemporary surroundings backwards, lacking history classes, museums or archaeology.
It happened similar in the real world. Church paintings of the renaissance depict roman legionnaires crucifying Jesus as landsknechts of the 16th century, King David is a knight in chainmail, Saint Michael is dressed in gothic plate. The same way Symon Star-Eyes is perceived to be a knight of the Kingsguard four millennia (according to perceived history) before there were any knights and eigt millennia before Aegon founded the KG. Skewed perception.
The more scientifically interested doubt it though. Samwell Tarly, the Reader, Maester Aemon, Maester Luwin, the novices in the prologue of Feast, they all point out the unreliable and plain wrong histories. Similar, Jaime points out advances in fortress construction, Cerseis new ships indicate advances in shipbuilding. There are some other hints at advancement, but technological development isn't in the spotlight of the series.
>>71987716
>Still believes that dark age was a total blank gap of technological advancement
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Well they have technology enough to promote a industrial revolution, but the maesters of citadel are filthy cunts and hide the knowledge from other people
>>71987141
They do sort of live in a dark ages, where technology doesn't seem to advance as much. Remember in Essos there was the Ghiscari and Valyrian Empires that we can assume were somewhat technologically advanced. Then, they fell, and it was sort of like the fall of the Roman Empire wherein Europe fell in dark age that would last near a thousand years. Add the extremely long seasons, and it's logical there might be some stasis.
And whose to say they haven't advanced? Maybe Westeros didn't have crossbows 200 years age, there could architectural advancements we're just not aware of because it doesn't come up.
12,000 years before Aegon lands: bronze working in Essos. Evidence: First Men carried bronze shields. I also seem to recall Yohn the Bronze is so named because he owns some First Men armour, which is bronze.
The First Men therefore presumably came from a precursor civilization to the Ghiscari Empire, which was "thousands of years old" when Valyria was still young, pre-dragons. Valyria overwhelmed Ghis 5,000 years ago. That means Essos has had bronze-working for (at least) 12,000 years - preceding the Ghiscari Empire, almost certainly.
But a big question is: when was Valyrian steel developed?
There does not appear - I'll welcome any corrections - to be any single VS blade or artifact in the series older than 500 years. We're nearly 300 years from the Doom in the books, which means that none of the swords thus far mentioned were forged more than 200 years prior to the Doom. (!) it's entirely possible that VS was still a fairly new technology at the time of the Doom.
So how old is steel?
In our world, steel-working is about 4,000 years old (so ~2000BC). However, Wootz steel (Damascus steel) first appeared in India, around 400BC.
But something important has to be taken into account here. In our world, the move from bronze to iron occurred, theoretically, because of some sort of tin shortage - perhaps caused by migrations of populations in the 11th and 12th centuries BC. The reason tin is important is because bronze is actually harder than iron; this is why Roman officers had bronze swords, but foot-soldiers had iron.
Perhaps the fall of Ghis lead to a shortage of tin. This shortage of tin lead to a shift from bronze weapons to the forging of iron, instead, rather substantially later than in our world.
Thus, the Wootz-steel equivalent, Valyrian steel, appears later - only a few centuries prior to the modern day in Westeros.
Technology therefore is not stagnating. It's just taking a different path, and may further have been seriously hampered by the Doom.
>>71987141
Theres a reason anon.
Pic related
>>71987141
Anon, you know human civilisation in the real world is over 10,000 years old? Planetos civilisation is about 700 years behind the real world, so there's nothing wrong with it.
>>71987774
City dwellers started in 5000bc in Mesopotamia
Homo sapiens have been around for 20, 000 years
>>71988286
?
It's not a "total blank gap of technological advancement" but the dark age certainly slowed western progress down to a near-halt.
The dark ages were actually more of a social and cultural stasis rather than a technological one.
>>71988423
>>Homo sapiens have been around for 20, 000 years
>According to genetic and fossil evidence, archaic Homo sapiens evolved to anatomically modern humans solely in Africa, between 200,000 and 100,000 years ago
We're a tad older than that.
>>71988360
Technology never stopped progressing in the "dark ages", wtf are you talking about? Do you not know about engineering like castles and water wheels and windmills? or all the cams and gears and cogs that had to be invented? Or how automated looms using water power and cams came to completely revolutionize the textiles industry and lead to the petrochemical industry through the development of natural and artificial dyes?
Fucking kids, calling yourself an atheist doesn't make you smart.
>>71987141
>No technological advancement.
Every 10 or 20 years they have a cataclysmic winter that kills a fuckton of people. It also last as long as the interval between them. And that's if the goddamn ice zombies don't get them. Now you might think those conditions would be perfect for scientific advancement. Shut in most of the day, with nothing to do but think, experiment and come up with shit. But you're cold. You're starving because the food stores have run out. Your old and infirm are dying and so are your newborns. You're so busy just trying to survive. You don't have time to fuck around and maybe come up with something.
The real question is why the rest of the world doesn't advance. They don't have any excuse. But then you remember places like Valyria. They seemed to be technologically advanced. Then boom, gone in one night. Its almost like unseen forces WANT the world left medieval and easily swayed.
>>71988487
I know something is 20, 000 years old maybe iys Hunter gathers fuck if I know
>>71988423
>>71988487
origin is about 200,000 years ago for us in particular, agricultural activity began about 20,000 years ago, with the first cities about 10,000 years ago.
>>71988570
>agricultural activity began about 20,000 years ago, with the first cities about 10,000 years ago.
fair enough
>>71988535
Wait, what? The long seasons aren't shared in the rest of the world? How in the fuck could that possibly work?
>>71988397
This, I thought it was pretty obvious that the maesters were the ones keeping technology moving at their own pace
>>71988535
>Then boom, gone in one night. Its almost like unseen forces WANT the world left medieval and easily swayed.
You're scaring me, anon.
>>71987267
>Humans in the real world have had more than 8000 years to advance
Around 6000 years more or less
The age of the earth can be estimated by taking the first five days of creation (from earth’s creation to Adam), then following the genealogies from Adam to Abraham in Genesis 5 and 11, then adding in the time from Abraham to today.
Adam was created on day 6, so there were five days before him. If we add up the dates from Adam to Abraham, we get about 2,000 years, using the Masoretic Hebrew text of Genesis 5 and 11.3 Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C. (4,000 years ago).
So a simple calculation is:
5 days
+ ~2,000 years
+ ~4,000 years
~6,000 years
maesters are lying about history.
>>71988631
Yeah the Maesters are causing the woes of Westeros.
>Summerhall
>Oy vey that Targaryan is trying to hatch dragons to stop our plots
>Oy gevalt, such anti-maestism
>Summerhall magically burns down
>I wonder who be behind this
>>71988535
Where'd that webm come from?
>>71988739
>>71988709
Bullshit. The masters are learned scholars and the Knights of the Mind.
>>71988535
So what was the red comet?
>>71988869
I wonder who's behind this post
>>71988910
Westeros is inside a Dyson sphere that is failing. The red comet was an errant piece of machinery
>>71988869
>>71988942
Give me any proof of some conspiracy
>>71988709
>yfw that huge library Sam is at is literally filled with birth and death records and the rest is just fanfiction about the dead they write all day
Is it possible GoT is actually post apocalyptic?
>>71988992
http://uproxx.com/tv/the-grand-maesters-conspiracy-game-of-thrones/2/
>>71989055
Fuck no
>>71989059
D-DELETE THIS YOU ANTI-MAESIMITE
Since the dawn of history the eternal anglo has owned the island of Eurabia – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of dentists beneath his bare stubby feet and yet he never picked one up from the dust until a Roman man showed to him its glittering incisors.
His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled.
A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour.
In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud.
With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.
>>71989059
Dragons should be killed. Magic is dangerous and unnecessary. I don't believe in a master conspiracy but I would support it because the maesters have been here great allies.
>>71987304
and it took a hundred thousand years to get from hitting rocks together to the Romans
>>71988910
>>71988535
EN TARO TASSADAR
>>71987304
Alien help us
>Rome 200 BC
>Fucking amazing roads that STILL haven't cracked to this day
>USA 2016 AD
>Faggot shitty roads that crack in under 10 years
Nice "technology", Americucks.
>>71988397
Basically this.
The Maesters have stunted Westeros for a long fucking time, evidenced by them exiling Qyburn for daring to step out of line and actually try to advance medicine and technology.
>>71990628
shut the hell up Augustus, we get it you built a road now kindly fuck off
>>71987141
it's the magic
when you have magic thinking you don't need science
next question?
>>71987212
Asians have only ever been able to copy things given to them by the west.
>>71987618
"White people" is synonymous with technological advancement
>>71990628
How many semi-trucks were they running on a daily basis?
>>71990628
>Rome
>had people walking on their roads and some horses/carriages
>USA
>fucking endless caravans of semis going 70 miles an hour all day every day + cars
>roads still take like 30 years to really get fucked up
>>71991347
The Chinese were writing on paper and sipping fine wines while whites were barely able to wipe their ass right.
>>71988910
the red comet is obviously a volcryn
>>71991547
But who made the Bomb, microdick?
>>71987212
That's why they destroyed the brits in the Opium Wars right?
>invents gunpowder
>1,000 years later still doesn't have cannons
>>71987141
On another note has anyone seen this guy in those motel commercials? Kek
>>71992351
The west. Chinklers were too busy with tradition and honor to think of innovation.
The Chinese only used fireworks as entertainment and distractions.
The west made cannons.
>>71992410
chinese used bombs during mongol conquests you dummy
>>71988626
Westeros seasons are because of Magic. Some sort of calamity happened around the time the wall was put up (also with magic).
Martin has never gone into detail about it, but he did say the seasons were caused by magic, and that by book 7 he'd explain it.
>>71987141
maesters
>>71991547
And yet the whites pretty much managed to take over the world.
>>71992542
geography and culture is why, read a book
>>71992884
Irrelevant as to why fucktard. That we DID is what matters.
No u
Can't the same thing be said of Africa and the Middle East?
>>71993278
No I won't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDdKmx0PW7s
>>71993316
That's not how this works. The answer is Bran.
>>71987141
>ancient houses last for 8000 years, surviving months long winters, all-out civil war, foreign invasion and even Westeros' version of the Black Death
>get wiped out in the space of 3-4 years
>>71987774
Yeah but Got is dark ages. That was WAAAAAAAAY less than 8000 years ago.
>>71993388
>even Westeros' version of the Black Death
Do you mean the shit Stannis's daughter has?
The Summer Islanders are the most advanced known civilization in Planetos if you pay attention to the books.
>>71993316
The middle east and Egypt have produced notable advancements you retard
>>71987141
It's a fantasy ya dip
it doesn't have to make sense
>>71993514
Not in a long ass time they haven't.
>>71987386
I knew a black dude named Yakub once.
>>71993446
Nah, it's a Plague epidemic that affected Westeros a 100 years before current events. Only Dorne and the Vale were unaffected due to them closing their access roads/ports.
>The plague killed tens of thousands in the Seven Kingdoms with the major cities affected the most; it was bad in Lannisport, worse in Oldtown, but worst of all in King's Landing, where four in ten succumbed to it. A strong man could wake up healthy in the morning and die by the evening, so swiftly did the plague strike
AND THEN STANNIS BURNT THE LAST BARATHEON HEIR HURRRR
>>71987141
It took Earth 20,000 years of civilisation to get to where GoT is now
>>71987141
With what gunpowder?
>>71993388
A lot of houses come and go. Usually in the shit tier areas like Riverland and iron isles
GoT is basically in a Dark Ages stasis with real world parallels of events, cities, and cultures that are mirrored in Westeros and Essos. Valyrian Steel is obviously meant to be Damascus Steel, extremely sharp and durable but unable to be reproduced due to the method of it's production being lost. Wildfire is Greek Fire, both are able to burn on water and were used in the naval defenses of Kings Landing (Constantinople). However with the presence of magic and "super materials" such as ironwood, the technological advances would be wildly different. The 7 Kingdoms have already had to develop huge granaries to survive the long winters, and no civilization has yet even used gunpowder as a weapon let alone a firework.
>>71987141
>magic
>crazy seasons
>warfare
>fucking dragons wiping off complete civilisations
that's why
>>71987141
The Citadel in Oldtown looked pretty Renaissance-tier.
Maybe cause their winters last 10 years.
>>71987141
Firearms weren't practical until the 13th century, so Planetos have another 500 or so to go senpai
>>71987141
Because you need a proper free market and democratic system for true technological process.
People start inventing things and take risks investing when they can benefit from it. You can invent some new type of farming equipment to produce more yield but if some greedy lord can swing by at any moment and simply take those extra earnings then why bother?
pic related explains this quite clearly.
>>71987141
Because the faceless man says so.
The Jaqen and the cult of faceless mans are the ruler of the world and they want to keep secrets.
>>71988260
>hurch paintings of the renaissance depict roman legionnaires crucifying Jesus as landsknechts of the 16th century, King David is a knight in chainmail, Saint Michael is dressed in gothic plate.
Was that because the artists didn't know better or because they knew the unwashed masses would have no grasp on history?
>>71987141
It's possibly a post technological world that got fucked up. Or some outside force is purposefully keeping the technological advancement down.
Preston 4 life.
It's the Maester's fault.
In our world the Renaissance was kickstarted by wealthy families funding competitions between polymaths, where the polymaths and the wealthy alike had a great interest in rediscovering Greek and Roman technologies and artistry and stories.
But the Maester's either get assigned to great families or stay in the Citadel and don't really bother with the rest of the world all that much.
And if the Maester's will kick out Qyburn for his experiments, they've probably kicked out many more for others in Chemistry, Astronomy and other Medicines.
>>71987253
>>71991347
>>71992365
You are now aware that pretty much all the advances Britain used to conquer the world were acquired from China.
> gunpowder
> compass
> movable type
> superior economics
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/03/07/china-rise-fall-and-re-emergence-as-a-global-power/
>China’s dominant global position was challenged by the rise of British imperialism, which had adopted the advanced technological, navigational and market innovations of China and other Asian countries in order to bypass earlier stages in becoming a world power.
Inb4 Chinese propaganda, it's an American military website.
>>71992410
>>71992365
False.
>>71994022
Jaqen, the grandmaster of the temple of black and white, is superior in every way and the most badass of game of thrones!
>>71994022
>rulers of the world
>only have 2 pupils
>>71994145
I'm fairly certain China's irrelevance in world affairs was due to it's insular nature
>>71988647
>Whether Christian or secular, most scholars would agree that Abraham lived about 2,000 B.C.
>Secular.
>Agreeing Abraham lived.
>>71988951
I've seen this shit before, but can't remember where. Is there a theory about this or have I just imagined it?
>>71994223
And you know why?
Because YOLO and the POWER of the almighty Many-Faced GOD!!
4CHAN!!
Also:
VALAR MORGHULIS!!!
>>71994223
>dont give a shit
> also valar morghulis
> also 4chan baby!
> all Redditor must die
>>71987141
>Long and harsh winters mean many people are in a constant state of survival, which isn't good for technological advancement.
>Magic sort of messes up the scientific process. Rather than questioning WHY? it's just "dude, magic did it".
>Powerful religious presence that has a regressive mentality
>>71994228
Yes, but that came later. Before, it was a leading innovation and economic powerhouse. Then it fell behind, basically proving isolationism is never the answer.
>>71988396
The first men had iron, it just wasn't as common. The Iron Isles already had their name, and Old Nan says how during the Long Night the Others hated Iron.
Azor Ahai's weapon was steel, the tale mentions him hammering and folding
>>71994603
Was Lightbringer folded over a million times? Is that why it's so strong?
>>71994022
The Faceless Men probably caused the doom of Valyria which totally fucked up technological advancement, so I guess technically it's their fault
>>71992915
>muh whites
you think euros are any special sort of human or what
How does Westeros even survive the winters ?
I'm pretty sure just 1 year without crops would be enough to wipe out entire villages, not to mention the cities needing to get supplies, the ironborn and the wildlings raiding villages and the noblemen not giving a shit about their people. It's a miracle humanity still exists there.
>>71988396
I know this isnt the place to ask but whats the difference between Wootz steel and Damascus steel ?
>>71994678
Yeah, on his 3rd attempt he spent 100 days and nights hammer and folding it, then tempered the blade in the breast of his wife.
Having a sword that can overcome the darkness The Others bring + kill wights is pretty OP
>>71987901
That and how the Citadel and the Maesters control science only to archive it away in their huge library and they're incredibly strict about what one can research about and will ban those who go beyond what their small world view permits.
>>71994699
You know why?
Bucause Yolo!
>>71994744
Up north lots of the old people literally just go out into the forests to die so they don't fuck up their families when winter comes.
Most Winters aren't as harsh as the one that's about to come, i imagine in the Reach and stuff you can still grow some crops and send them up north
>>71987878
I like how blacks seem to attribute themselves to anything technologically advancing when the opposite is true.
>>71994744
Damascus was incredible, a marvel we cannot replicate.
Wootz was good but not as magnificent as Damascuc steel. The Muslims are at fault for the loss of knowledge
>>71994751
>and will ban those who go beyond what their small world view permits.
Qyburn pls go. Not letting a man experiment on living people isn't a small world view, it's moral.
The Maesters are based, like Luwin, Aemon and Cressen, they just want what is best for the people.
>>71994499
>conflict thesis
do you autists have to hamfist this even into Westeros?
anyway, I tip my fedora to thee, sir
>>71994847
I have heard atheists argue The Red God doesn't exist.
>>71994847
It's not hamfisted in at all, I mean the last 2 seasons of the show literally had a fundamentalist religious movement taking over the capital city and banning everything that went against their narrow religious view.
The maesters and septons actively discourage talk of magic and such.
If you want fedora tipping, the writer of the series is a liberal, anti-war atheist
>>71987738
>all the real advancements were made in the last few centuries.
Quick list of stuff invented between 1000 BC and 1000 AD:
>First Alphabet with Vowels (Greek Alphabet) - Invaluable in the evolution of the written word, a pillar of all future advancement
>Modern Geometry (Modern Mathematics in general), Water-clock, countless feats if nautical engineering
>Siege engines, crossbows
>Paper, Steel, Greek Fire, Gunpowder
If you'd then say "Well, there was still a shit ton of time before 1000 BC where humanity accomplished nothing, let's remember such fun inventions like agriculture and everything associated with it, including breeding, artificially guided rivers, so on and so forth.
And that's ignoring the fact that in the Game of Thrones universe, they have everything available the average 15th century European kingdom had available, so unlike some sad saps from 4000 BC who had no reliable was to record and store their ideas, the Game of Thrones universe has access to everything da Vinci needed.That being said, Qyburn is at least trying.
>>71987141
>a place where magic, gods, and transdimensional rifts exist
>only one fucking race of people ever bother to start progressing technologically
>entire race drops off the face of the planet in the blink of an eye
>thousands of years of civilization later
>literally no advancement based on the shit they left behind
>most of the shit they left behind seemingly untouched and still in perfect working order
>no one cares
>still can't make anything better than fucking bows and swords
>i saw a mudcrab the other day
Nerdwriter literally made a video about this exact question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDdKmx0PW7s
>>71994145
they weren't stolen. They were developed independently. Chinese have an insect culture and the Europeans had a striving, heroic culture. This is why the Europeans have created the modern world, the English, Germans, and French mostly. Italy played a minor role as "Western Civilisation" began in the 11th century, not with the Greek-Romans. The Renaissance is much overhyped.
>>71994994
>most of the shit they left behind seemingly untouched and still in perfect working order
People who head into the ruins of Valyria never return. The air is probably toxic, or there's crazy whirlpools and shit.
Tyrion's uncle is one who got lost out there. Euron is the only one who claims to have been to Valyria and returned, but even that could be a lie despite his armour
>>71988360
The technological level and culture in Game of Thrones is early renaissance, not Dark Age, but they don't have gunpowder.
>>71995054
That and you know, there's a bunch of Stonemen in the ruins of Valyria. People who have basically insanity causing full-body psoriasis.
>>71988647
The earth is much older. Humans however are around 6 thousand years old. The earth is much older than that. If you'd remember, God spoke of the day of your fore fathers and the day of Moses and so on. A day chronologically was used to represent events of things or people's lives. If you're remember in Hebrew, it says God is still in his seventh day of rest. But it would have been 4 thousand years after Adam and Eve. Therefore, God's rest day ends when something is accomplished. Remember, he rested to see that it was good. And it was, and then it turned rotten. So until it is good again, He'll remain in His seventh day of rest.
>>71995054
Aeron says the ruins of Valyria drove Euron mad, so maybe he did go there
>>71994994
Skyrim is a video game. It'd be pretty damn disappointing to go into a dungeon and find everything's already been looted and every enemy defeated.
>>71995131
Are the stonemen in Valyria in the books? I thought they were just in the Sorrows, and D&D changed it for the show?
>>71995150
I'm not sure whether to believe him, I mean Euron has always been fucked up. He raped his brother as a child, and murdered 2 others.
He definitely always had mental problems
>>71995174
I always thought the Sorrows were a part of Valyria as a whole?
>>71995150
Drinking shade of the evening 24/7 for years probably drove Euron mad long before Valyria
>>71994744
The castles have massive granaries.
And the Lords have to feed the serfs, because they are their power.
The real question is, if seasons last many years inconsistently, how do they measure years?
>>71995210
Nah the Sorrows are part of the river Rhoyne
>>71995171
The elder scrolls' lore is completely fucked though, and that's what I'm trying to point out. forgot the fact that you are dungeon crawling, it's the fact that people have seemingly been doing this for thousands of years. there has been no progress. similarly to ASOIAF lore.
>>71995291
Then I'm just an idiot.
>>71994988
Its only been 300 years since Aegon's Conquest.
William's conquest of England was in 1066.
why do you assume it's been the 15th century for thousands of years.
>>71995277
Moon cycles ? It wouldn't be 100% accurate but still enough to calculate months.
>>71995319
ASOIAF has a pretty minimalistic lore and focuses on character interractions instead.
The children of the forest are really Hrangan. The humans living in the GoT world are the descendants of humans who went there to eradicate them. Due to war and Hrangan mind fuckery, technology was lost and things have been stuck ever since.
>>71995684
Kek, George couldn't even remember what Hrangan's were when Preston asked him.
It's over PJ, go to bed
>>71995050
>Western civilisation began in the 11th century
>Not with the Greek Romans
>The Renaissance is much over-hyped.
Kek. Well I suppose you have to dig the foundations before you build a house.
>>71995050
Does /pol/ actually believe this
>>71994145
>Mongolians war with China forever.
>Mongolians attack Europe bringing the invention of gunpowder.
>Europeans perfect it and conquer the world with their superior ships.
GJ China.
>>71995565
As far as I recall, The Old Empire of Ghis (Which existed 5000 years before the story) is described to have had most technology available to modern Essos.
At the very least they were somewhere around 4-7 century by our standards, most reminiscent of the early Byzantine Empire than anything else.
That still means roughly 10-20% as fast advancement as the real world. (Assuming I'm not lowballing the Old Empire of Ghis, and it wasn't more advanced than what I guessed.)
>>71995950
I always saw Old Ghis as Ancient Persia/Babylon more than the Byzantine Empire. And I don't recall it being described as having 15th century technology.
>maesters take a vow of chastity for some reason, the smartest people in westeros aren't allowed to have children
>4 year long seasons mean a lot more attention/time/money has to be paid to basic survival lest everyone starves to death. Can't break out of the feudal system/slave labour system, a major change like that could be disastrous.
>in the past magic existed and may have stalled progress. What's the point in designing a faster boat when you have dragons/can teleport?
>GRRM is a hack
>>71996379
Bastard feudalism wasn't slave labor. It may have been bad in other ways depending on the local peerage, but serfs only had to work an average of 3 hours a day. It got a lot worse later, but not at this technological level.
>>71996134
Well, from what I remember, Ghis was said to have architecture far more advanced than "just" your run of the mill pyramids. More like the ones in modern Essos, which implies deep knowledge of construction and geometry that Persia and Babylon pre-date. (Unless you believe in the Hanging Gardens of Babylon to their fullest extent, but that too is only 7-6th century BC if they existed in the form some claim they did.)
Most importantly though, I'd say they had to be of that Early Byzantine Era, because of their military, after which (in part) the Unsullied are modelled.
It's very reminiscent of later Roman organization, yet the power and success of Ghis until the arrival of dragons, is less fitting of the failing days of the Roman Empire, and more of the temporary stability of Byzantium.Plus, the image of a "great, ancient empire with Roman organization, far to the East, whose lands fall prey to eastern nomads" fits better with them, than the Romans themselves.
>>71987141
Their years are much shorter than ours.
Not interested in discussing how realistic things are in an alternate universe fantasy tv show w/ white walkers and dragons
>>71995397
yeah you are
Whenever a civilization progresses to a certain point they blow themselves up like Valyria. Westeros will meet a similar fate at some point.
>>71996655
All buildings in ASOIAF are extremely exaggerated however.
And pyramids are pretty big anyway.
But anyway, it seems more like Ghis is the Persian equivalent and Valaria is the Greco-Roman equivalent, because of events, location and the way in which its aesthetics and culture are described.
Of course nothing fits neatly because its fantasy, but I see them as more reminiscent generally of the older Mesopotamian and Asia Minor cultures.
Even in 'modern times' because Islam never happened and they still have the Zoroastrianism equivalent up and running, which is also spreading rather than declining.
>>71996852
well building on top of a super volcano didn't help.
Which reminds me, the USA will meet a similar fate at some point.
>>71997151
Well, you have a point.
Doubt there could be a definite answer unless we get more info about old Valaria and Ghis from George though.
But I do see where you're coming from, maybe you're right. (Architecture could always be written up as "A wizard did it" like with Dragonstone anyway)
Because society was still busy exploiting minorities and women. As a women's study major I can assure you that societies only progress when the male patriarchy falls apart.
No Islam. Therefore no golden age of science. Racist mouth breathers will try deny this lmao
>>71988942
You are an idiot how does being learned mean your a jew dumb 14 year old
>>71998039
its probably the whole very intelligent behind the scenes manipulation stuff
>>71998157
Grand maester pycelle was a bad maester most others aren't.
>>71998309
Erhm...yes, well, hrrm. What was
I saying? Oh yes. Treason is...well...he's...ARROGANT, your Grace...and disrespectful. Hrrm.
>>71987141
No slavery in westeros, notice how advanced essos is compared to westeros. No slavery mean no rising of merchantile class. No merchantile class meant lack of people exploring academics option.Hence lack of technological advancement.
Maester didnt help one bit by limiting knowledge into certain circle of people. Plus feudalism breed for more martial way of life. and intellectualism is shunned.
>>71990628
all goods and services today are of inferior quality because it doesn't pay to make something that will last for a lifetime
>>71987141
Maybe long winters could affect progress negatively if people are decimated every season.
This always bothered me about fantasy series, I mean I understand the charm of knights, swords and the whole medieval stuff but there is never a good reason why people don't advance.
I mean the most common excuse I have seen is magic.
>Why bother with technology when we have magic?
Yet magic is only used by a select few and mostly in small quantities or selfishly.
Peasants are still shitting in the woods and being miserable, misery usually leads to some sort of invention or advancement yet humans and other races live the same way for thousands of years.
I'd love a fantasy series set in modern times or in the future, could you image magic and stuff like elves traveling the galaxy in the a spaceship.
Why has it never been done or why have I never heard of it?
>>71998850
what about fantasy settings in the late 14 to early 18 hundreds
>>71998944
Anything besides the knights and stuff.
Closest thing I have found to advancement was the edge chronicles though it was more steampunk than magic.
They went from flying ships with special rocks that float high when cooled down and swords to ships powered by engines that burn solid lightning and pistols and muskets powered the same way.
>>71998850
>Why has it never been done
Literally the entire premise of 40K is fantasy bullshit in space
>>71999012
There is a fantasy series by Harry Turtledovw that parallels WW2 with fantasy and features non stop development, even a Manhattan project for magic.
>>71999342
>magical nukes
never ends well... never
>>71987738
>>71987366
>>71987267
You are a fucking autistic retard.
Westeros has been at thirteenth century level technology for 8000 years. That's what the problem is. That this has to be explained to you boggles my mind.
>>71987141
Is it actually 8000 years?
Didn't Sam look at the list of Night's Watch commanders and figure out that it was way too long
>>71987141
Only thing I could think of is constant war/winters have prevented people from advanceing in technology. Making significant technological advances usually happens much easier in times of peace and collaberation like in the enlightenment period in europe. Before that for several hundred years tech development occured pretty slowly.
Also in Japan you had forced technological stagnation. The samarui class which included the rulers did not want things to change and wanted to cling to tradition so they did not allow any new research/advancement in technology. So they stayed in basically the same state for close to a 800 years.
>>71987212
Asians have and always will be irrelevant
Thousands of years later and you slant eyes still can't surpass us even with rampant Marxism and Minority cancer in our nations.
