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>>71977125
That Philosophy degree is really paying off
I am now a #GodMissile
>>71977125
I can't stand any of his shit his such a pretentious cunt just like simon pegg.
Yes, but Christianity actually has evidence behind it.
>>71977125
I believe him. He makes Kino music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvcoX6EQH2s
>>71977125
>it's a "Ricky didnt realize those 3000 Gods are all the same One God" episode.
>>71977125
not an argument
Only 3000? this qoute seems like bullshit
hah even that nu-male accepted that god exists, how does the fedora community ever survive through these time HAH
>>71977255
>his such a pretentious cunt
I can see how you'd feel particularly harassed by pretentious cunts, anon.
>>71977255
You shouldn't use words of which you don't know the meaning
>>71977255
His standup is horse shit, but his podcasts were legitimately funny back in the day. He comes across as more of a genuine human being surprisingly.
>>71977125
I'm an atheist and this kind of shit makes me cringe....there is nothing profound or intelligent in blatant attacks on those with faith. It's as if these types of atheists fail to grasp the concept and essence of faith. Arguing and attacking faith even in a comedic fashion only helps to harden the believers resolve...It's so cringeworthy
>>71977125
He's a pretentious dickwad, but I agree with that. Everyone is obsessed with religion, but don't see the irony in previous efforts like Olympus and the Norse Gods.
>>71977317
all things considered I'd have to say they have an easier time than you do maintaining such an awkward and unconvincing pretense of faith
>>71977313
yes, yes, well done Pascal...
HOWEVER
you can't force belief. as much as I'd like to sometimes, I can't make myself believe in God.
>>71977313
What if lack of belief was awarded with eternal life?
>>71977125
I'm an Atheist but Rickey Gervais is so embarrassing it hurts. he makes his points like an edgy 10 year old.
>>71977125
>1 post by this ID
>>71977125
why is he so based bros?
It's difficult to know what to think about Ricky Gervais. On the one hand if he got mowed down by a speeding car which then reversed over him it'd be an appropriate reward for making a pseudocelebrity of that fucktard Karl Pilkington but on the other he *did* write "let's do some improvisational comedy".
>>71977340
it's because the people you're referring to still make the effort to help the believers realise what they're doing
it may sound condescending but it's even more condescending when you give up and accept that they're incapable of seeing reason
Reminder to atheist that god exists and I am him
>>71977375
That makes 0 sense
>>71977358
But in this context, every human is endowed at birth with belief. It's not something to force but to allow to happen to you.
>>71977478
Can you cure me of the painful anal fissure I'm experiencing, Lord? I want to ride a bicycle again.
I did not get it from buggery.
>>71977464
I don't think it was the writing that made that scene funny, it was 100% Neeson's delivery.
>>71977506
What if God is fine with atheism, but picking the wrong God pisses him off?
>>71977464
>that fucktard karl pilkington
manmoth detected.
>>71977543
>every human is endowed at birth with belief
I'm pretty sure if you put a baby in a box with a "learn to speak" book and took him out after 5 years and asked him on his opinion of God, he would have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.
ITT: pedos and manchildren and subhumans of all sorts desperately scrabble for the moral high ground and declare themselves the most mature
>>71977506
Not that anon, but imagine a God who had no control over the world he created (we're going to have to suspend a lot of disbelief to discuss theistic scenarios, but let's humour ourselves anyway) except that he chose who would go to heaven.
Do you think he'd prefer his followers who spend their days praying, or the non-believing doctors?
>>71977646
>humans don't develop faith innately
Funny how every single civilization no matter how unconnected from one another that they are, ALL developed it, huh?
>>71977667
I'd think we'd have to go by what He said and not presume to use our limited three dimensional mines to guess at the motivations of something infinite. In which case, praying.
>>71977665
Source: posts on autism forums
>>71977683
Yes, they DEVELOP religion as a method of explaining the world, they aren't born with it, and they don't come to it individually. Religions come into being after many, many generations of iteration and refinement.
>>71977322
>>71977335
I'm Australian I have an excuse my brain doesn't work like yours.
>>71977733
As evidenced by what civilization?
>>71977572
Probably I should have been less cryptic about what I meant by writing. It's also about accuracy of judgement regarding what you can realistically get out of a performer, in which regard Gervais wasn't just terrifically served by his instincts but had the actual sense to follow 'em.
>>71977271
sure it does, just like all the others
>>71977713
>I'd think we'd have to go by what He said
He didn't say anything but
>>71977665
>correlation means causation
you should go back to statistics 101
>>71977747
Literally all of them.
Ive read every high school biology textbook several times
He gets so many basic things wrong, no wonder he dropped out of biology.
Throw the word "osmosis" around one more time and I will hit you Ricky
That said he is my fave comedian
>>71977125
Hes roght you know.
>>71977271
Where fuckhead? What possible evidance is there for a judgemental cuntwad like your bitch god jesus.
>>71977665
I wouldn't be surprised. Religious emotional manipulations are geared toward the neurotypical, they might have hard time tricking autists into sharing them.
>>71977313
Belief =/= eternal joy. It also works on the flipside that it confirms eternal suffering.
>>71977683
Yeah it's almost like they were all created by the same species of animal or something
>>71977125
"For there are many lords and gods, but we serve the creator of all"
I would willingly spend the rest of my life in prison being beaten and gang raped daily until a brutal shanking ends my life for a five minute glimpse of Ricky in hell
>>71977358
>as much as I'd like to sometimes
Same. They seem to be much happier.
>>71977683
That's right you tell em cletus
>>71977683
Not them, but I hope this is bait because you sound pretty stupid.
Conceiving a deity to explain why the good/bad things happen to you/the world is comforting; whether it makes you feel like your life has purpose, or that someone might be watching over you. It's something out of which you grow. It's time to move on and actually contribute to society rather than spend your days in the monastery, sucking up to a dictatorial sadist to spend an eternity in 'peace' - as if it is any more meaningful than mortality on Earth.
>>71977764
John 1:1 14
>>71977277
>>71977287
Fucking fedora memeing retards gtfo. Calling your opponent an antisocial neckbeard is inflamatory and brings nothing to the actual argument you fucking retard.
>>71977313
Id rather rebel then be gods bitch for all eternity.
>>71977774
Stop being an autist
>>71977773
Then name one. Go on and dig up that atheist civilization that later developed religion. I'll wait why you frantically google and eventually come back to move the goalposts.
>>71977824
Cite God, not John
>2016
>still not worshipping dyeus pater
>>71977811
Would not.
Notice how his fedora-ism is either directed specifically at Christianity or at religion in general? Never seems to attack Islam or Judaism directly....
God is under constant revision. We will never stop making God in our image. Our image is as flaky and transient as a train hobo from the 1920's. Ricky is a seller. He sells what he can sell to the best of his ability. Since Chris dies he's been in a steady decline. Let him fade of like the 3000 Gods he loves so much.
Zappa was based, Ricky's a cunt.
>>71977855
>eventually come back to move the goalposts.
That's exactly what you just did
>>71977818
>you sound stupid, even if you're right
Ahh, arguing with atheists.
Then you go on to agree with me. That it is the nature of humanity to project a sense of higher purpose or guidance on existence.
Ergo, faith is in our natures and is something we're born with.
If God exists, why doesn't he do something that definitively proves it beyond all doubt?
>inb4 "he works in mysterious ways lol"
>>71977125
Great thing is no one can actually refute his point, as fedora as Gervais is.
>>71977833
Its not autism, med school entry exams. It just jumps out for me, so annoying when people talk about things they dont know about on a basic level. Its arrogant.
>>71977742
Ausfag here. It's only pretentious if he's spouting this stuff to appear intellectual or morally superior.
>>71977930
I see a random nuke hitting the middle east as "mysterious".
So, where is it, God?
>>71977907
No, I claimed all civilizations had religion. You claimed they were atheistic and only came to religion over generations. I challenged you to find a single example to support your claim.
Still waiting. Or was you "flipping it around on me" supposed to be your answer?
>>71977930
The last time god did something, terrible things happened. A lot of egyptians got killed, there was a locust plague and the rivers run red for a couple of weeks.
>>71977905
How is this any different from the shit Gervais says?
>>71977832
>Id rather rebel then be gods bitch for all eternity.
That's your ego talking.
>>71977968
>You claimed they were atheistic and only came to religion over generations.
That was never claimed by me or anyone else in this thread.
>>71977930
>why can't i understand something infinite that is literally beyond my scope for understanding?
>since i don't understand it, it must not be real
Might as well be blind obstinately arguing that colors are fake because you're not equipped to detect them.
>>71977855
>atheist civilization
That's not what I said, dumb ass. here;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_origin_of_religions
>there are people in this thread that don't believe in God because their favourite actors and artists told them it's the smart thing to do
>>71977980
Because Zappa didn't dedicate his life to doing the fedora tipping that Gervais does
>>71977125
Has Ricky Gervais ever been funny? He just panders to libtards with his simple highschooler logic. I might have been impressed when I was 13.
>>71977996
>Yes, they DEVELOP religion as a method of explaining the world, they aren't born with it, and they don't come to it individually. Religions come into being after many, many generations of iteration and refinement.
So, many many generations is suddenly...?
>>71977980
He adresses the obvious flaws in christian religion instead of just saying "dude atheism lmao" like Gervais
>>71978001
So then how did God appear before those people in the Bible and tell them things?
>>71978027
Show me where someone said they were atheist civilizations first. Show me, I double dog dare you.
>>71977907
He is saying one thing of importance. He's saying worship of a God, or god, is dependent of the existence of civilization. So, nuke us in the stone ages, before we had civilization, we'll still have human spirituality. It's an individual concept at the roots. People get together, build stuff, disagree with each other. Fight and kill for a while until a "visionary' comes along and paints a clear picture of what that particular group in conflict needs and viola! We have a new religion for the masses. Prophets are not messengers of God, they are merchants of peace, but only for a short time. We'll start fighting again and bastardize their words to justify killing for profits again.
>>71977991
>That's your ego talking.
Have fun sucking jesuss dick for sustannance till the end of time, you literal autist.
>>71978031
>instead of just saying "dude atheism lmao" like Gervais
Gervais doesn't say that though, I don't think you know what you're talking about
>>71977980
Zappa's critique of religion was generally smarter. And he respected people's right to worship, Ricky goes round cramming his athiest views down everyone's throat to the point he's as bad as the religions he complains about
>>71977313
What if you worshipped the wrong God? What if you thought being a good, peaceful, and kind person was what God wanted, but he really wanted violence, hatred, and debauchery?
>>71978006
Yes, a bunch of speculation and contradictory answers where some even suggest we're innately born spiritual because of a god gene. But everyone is in agreement that organized religion predates all civilization.
I'm assuming you didn't post a link to something that openly contradicted you on purpose, so... Your point?
>atheists post intelligent quotes and generally good reasons for not being a religious faggot
>christfags and other slime come in all asspained and start spamming fedora gifs, le pascal wager, and other nonsense to hide their insecurity
Every single time. It's so pathetic.
>>71978027
Still prior to major civilization?
>>71978072
Fun times on 4chan never end.
>>71978077
He does you know. He's not really trying because his audience eats it up.
>>71978001
So because God is "something infinite that is literally beyond my scope for understanding" I should pray to him before bed every night otherwise I'll burn for eternity in hell?
>>71978071
His implication is obviously that if all cultures around the world have religion then an original deity exists to have designed people this way.
>>71978055
Let me see if I can dumb it down for you.
>all civilizations had religion
>>only after many many generations
>name one civilization that didn't have religion for many many generations
>>omg wtf i can't even
>quit stalling
>>stalling what? i don't even know what you're talking about
>you were going to name atheist civilizations
>>who said anything about that? prove it lol
SOURCE: follow the (You)'s of this discussion back up the page
>>71978001
>since i don't understand it, it must not be real
they're not real because they are stories in a book made up by people 2000 years ago you retard
might as well argue that Star Wars is real because it happened a long time ago in a galaxy far away
>>71978085
>atheists post memes
>christians post memes
ok
>>71977905
How odd that he would project so hard. Forbidden fruit =/= knowledge, it equals falling for temptations (which judging by his drug use, he fell for it pretty hard.)
>>71978078
>he's as bad as the religions he complains about
Except he's correct.
>>71978071
You came into the thread too late. Everyone committed to this thread already has their sights set on another anon's postings. Too late for you, anon, move along.
>>71978080
Then you still had a better chance than an atheist.
>>71978082
Holy shit, this isn't hard. People don't develop religion on their own. They aren't born with it, as was your claim. It requires certain fundamental building blocks of community, language and history in order to form.
>>71978123
Forbidden fruit is literally from the tree of knowledge. Have you ever actually read Genesis?
>>71977125
Prove him wrong.
DMD mode: without posting fedoras.
>>71978123
Zappa was notoriously anti drugs. In fact he fired band members if they used on tour.
>>71977478
>World is so shit G*d has resorted to shitposting on 4chan
>>71978107
>I should pray to him before bed every night otherwise I'll burn for eternity in hell?
Where does the Bible say this? Is this what the liberal comedians are teaching you?
>>71978123
what was the name of the tree?
Woow another shitty debate on the existence of God.
I suggest you guys study basic biology and astronomy.
>>71978114
>>name one civilization that didn't have religion for many many generations
Sorry but how does that question follow from this statement:
>>only after many many generations
?
Where does that statement imply that there was a time when they were atheists?
>>71977125
My god is the sun, the sun is real.
>>71978159
Just like my heroes Dawkins and black science man
>>71978107
>goalpost moving
You argued as to why the infinite doesn't suddenly become finite for the sake of your understanding alone. It's the same fallacy of asking why God doesn't do X, when X is the modern ethical convention. Like "why doesn't God want gays marrying?"
Your faith in this discussion was immaterial, your faulty premise for challenging was.
>>71978110
Is that what he said? He needs a slap in the head then. It isn't religion we share, it's wonder and inherent spirituality. There is nothing universal about religion. Religion is the definition of division. Slap that anon.
>>71978155
>Is this what the liberal comedians are teaching you?
No it's what religious teachers teach you.
>>71977918
> My priest molested me with his BBC so I need to believe God is real and that it meant something
The reason we 'project a sense of higher purpose' is because we can communicate and hence develop languages. This allows us to articulate concepts, and further abstract from our primitive instincts.
We aren't born with faith, we're just born with the ability to develop it, as we are able to develop anything else.
I believe in a giant pink elephant that lives on Pluto. Prove me wrong.
>tfw you fly to Pluto and scan the whole planet
>find nothing
>the giant pink elephant is actually under the ice so I'm still right
>you have to respect my beliefs
>>71978159
I think ricky gervais is a pretentious fuckwit but honestly it's pretty silly to even have this argument.
With all the knowledge we have these days it's laughable to suggest that a creation myth has any credence.
>>71978072
This.
Lol f*** God
Idk why girls don't like good and intelligent guys like us huh
Lets shoot up a school guys
>>71978177
Sorry you had bad experiences anon, but your anecdote does not happen everywhere in the world
>>71977313
Believing just for the sake of being "right" in this context isn't true belief, it's just hedging your bets. God would be able to tell the difference between genuine belief and those just trying to cover their ass. Belief needs to be in your heart of hearts, not just something you say to get into heaven.
>>71978204
>only our brand of religion is good!
>join our church instead!
>$$$
>>71978142
>tree of knowledge
No it's not, its the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Bad. You're just misreading old texts and putting your own modern spin on it.
I do not believe in God but religion unites the people ideologically. I think a purely atheist society would collapse pretty quickly under the weight of degeneracy
>>71978118
Why would the date of its creation inherently make it more or less accurate? Are the sound scientific discoveries from back then suddenly voided because they're 2000 years old?
Or is this a shallow fallacy that you're using to try and eek out some footing to argue on?
>>71978229
>You're just misreading old texts and putting your own modern spin on it.
surely that's in keeping with the spirit of the bible
>>71978229
You're an idiot.
>>71977313
Without any evidence of what happens after death anything is a possibility including being burned to death if you believe.
>>71977832
AYY REBEL *le tips le fedora*
>>71978156
The raping tree
>>71978197
THIS
>>71978137
>People don't develop religion on their own. They aren't born with it, as was your claim.
But your own source says
"the God gene hypothesis, states that some variants of a specific gene, the VMAT2 gene, predispose to spirituality"
>>71978156
The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad
To edgelord commietards, this translates to
> dude, God didn't want people to know things, like wtf I hate god.
>>71978277
>spirituality = religion
>>71978159
Literally you.
>>71978114
You're both arguing non-points. A civilization requires a functional underlying system. Since we've only recently come to know shit about shit, religion had to be the basis of that system. As due to the complete lack of knowledge of the universe, there was no rational way to claim anything but God or gods were responsible for everything.
Arguing for religion today, now that we have a working and provable model of the world/universe that functions without the constant intervention of a divine hand, is the definition of irrational.
God/gods have always been a sort of filler material for the gaps of human knowledge. Since those gaps are less "chasm" and more "pothole" today than they were even a century ago, there is simply no rational way to argue for God's constant interaction in the affairs of the universe. Which means the existence or non-existence of God/gods is also a meaningless debate.
3000?
Some religions have millions of gods. MILLIONS FOR A SINGLE RELIGION.
>>71978237
>believing in things that are objectively false brings people together
>we need religion to have morals
you're a fucking dipshit you know that?
>>71978163
Okay, so your assertion is now that civilizations always had religion. Glad that you ultimately agreed with me, retarded and unnecessary detour notwithstanding.
Fun fact: the only true religion is Judaism, all other religions are fake and their followers will be condemned to eternal suffering.
The next step is to totally shed the bullshit. A good person is good regardless of what anyone else says. They know it. And ya, there will be people who think you are wrong and think being good means something else. That's fine too. The moments judgement comes into the equation is when you know corruption has infected somebodies mind. Killing in never justified unless it's revenge or your own personal justice you seek against an enemy and at that point you better have also made the decision to die for it.
So he popped Jesus off the crucifix, right?
Turns out, little monkey fella.
>>71978290
>Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Bad
If God never intended for us to know the difference between Good and Bad, then why does he punish us for our sins?
>>71978290
i thought it was the fruit of knowledge
and it had fermented
and adam/eve got drunk
so they were ejected from the garden for getting fucked up
>>71978227
>joining a church because you believe in God and Jesus
Again, America is not the world
>>71978082
>organized religion predates all civilization.
If the people are organized, that IS civilization. Are you really this stupid?
>>71977313
Yes yes, well done Pascal, well done Pascal...
HOWEVER
The number of different possible Gods is infinite. Your chance of getting it right is 1/inf, which is undefined, so you can't argue theists are making an objectively wiser bet.
>>71978267
tHIS.
>>71978317
>we need religion to have morals
This is literally true though
>>71978307
>33 Million Hindu Gods
>still shit in the streets
No "Poointheloo" god?
>>71978240
>stories from a book about things that allegedly happened are now "sound scientific discoveries"
oh wow are christians actually this delusional?
read what a scientific process is my friend, then we can continue talking
>>71978319
>Okay, so your assertion is now
I didn't make an assertion, I asked you a question. Why don't you answer it?
>>71978010
>there are people in this thread that believe in God only because its what theyve been told to do since they were young
>It's a Ricky gets rekt by a sixth former statistics and probability student on the Monkey and Typewriter thing
>>71978193
>With all the knowledge we have these days it's laughable to suggest that a creation myth has any credence.
Really? Then explain to me how the Big Bang happened, Mr. Science Man? Just by chance? You do realize that the universe started at a single point and expanded outwards, right? Does le bill nye the science guy explain how the point expanded?
Ricky Gervais is a 60 year old man who still hasn't grow out of his "first year philosophy student" phase.
>>71978183
>using ad hominem greentext when none was being used against you
I guess in retaliation to the priest molestation thing I'm supposed to... what? Post some fedora memes? If you're not interested in a debate, feel free to spam some other posters for one-liners. You'll get plenty of bites.
>>71978159
You don't have to be a bible thumper to realize how unlikeable militant atheists are.
You're the vegans and vapers of the past.
>>71978353
Morals brought on by fear of violance arent right at all. We need basic morals as a common decency, not this sex hating god submissive crap religion teachs us about.
>>71978321
Judaism is just old school Atenism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atenism
>>71978353
are you fucked in the head? go think about it before you post
B-but muh Jews scientists said god doesn't exist!
Jews never lie!
I have faith in them so I believe everything they say, but thats not like your dumb religion
>>71978249
>>71978254
Not an argument
>>71978350
Not if there is a god who condems you for believing in him.
Check and mate, atheist.
OP Here
I just wanted to say it truly glorious how much you guys stirr up shit when it comes to atheism vs. religion shitposting
170 posts in one hour
>>71978193
I'm telling you to study more for that reason. We don't know much about the world. Plus religion and science serve different purposes so they shouldn't be compared.
>>71977313
No, being wrong could also lead you to the hell of other religions. Being an atheist could lead you to the heaven of a god who wanted to test peoples' ability to think for themselves and be skeptical about god claims that he intentionally made impossible to prove. Or any number of other combinations of things. I love how often Christians forget that theirs isn't the only religion making claims about the afterlife, what you should believe, and how you should live.
>>71978383
Die you christian degenerate.
>>71978214
That's not the point being made. The point was in the logic of disbelieving. Someone with true, genuine faith loses nothing in being wrong.
>>71978375
You're a 19 year old man who still thinks he needs to prove how mature he is because his brain is stuck in high school
>>71978362
>there are people in this thread that don't believe in God because they wanted to rebel against their parents
Ricky is a brave and noble warrior sticking it to the Christian establishment.
He needs a knighthood
>>71978366
>We don't know much about the world.
>we
speak for yourself you fucking mongoloid
>>71977281
atheism, not even once
>>71978388
>common decency
Yeah what a powerful notion dude
>>71977470
>it's even more condescending when you give up and accept that they're incapable of seeing reason
>"stop liking what I don't like." the argument
>this is considered ''reason"
>>71978398
are you?
Every single non-religious society ever has been amoral.
>>71978388
Why do you think that modern religion revolves around "sex hating god submissive crap"?
Outside of cults and extremism, churches and their services are very casual these days.
>>71978439
I had 1 parent who believed in God and 1 who didn't. Suck shit, Christfag
>>71978399
Top kek, you're a legitimate tinfoil wearing conspiratard if you don't believe in evolution.
>>71978439
If I wanted to rebel against my parents, I'd be hardline Christian nut.
>>71978291
>implying they're not connected
Atheism is the rejection of spirituality. If there's no evidence then there's no spirituality. In this particular context, they might as well be interchangeable.
>>71977358
Yes you can retard. Believing something is using a theoretical model to guide your actions.
>>71978466
>Suck shit, Christfag
Nah, that's usually what atheists are into.
>>71978479
Ok
>>71978493
atheism is the rejection of superstition
>>71978465
>Why do you think that modern religion revolves around "sex hating god submissive crap"?
You mean apart from the right wing christians who dominated the media's coverage of religion in the 80s and 90s, and then Islam in today's era?
>>71978331
It's all bullshit.
>>71978465
he thinks modern religion equates christianity
>>71977125
>implying that religions have different gods
I don't think anyone is wrong when it comes to religion and belief. What a dull statement.
>>71978347
You understand that you could have a nomadic tribe with an organized religion and it wouldn't qualify as civilization, right?
>are you really this stupid?
How does the irony taste?
>>71978493
Atheism means "no gods". Sorry bro.
>>71978439
Rebellion is part of evolution and adaptation. The world changes all the time, so going against preconceived ideas that worked before and testing other new/older ideas that were rejected is a good thing.
Rebellion is in our DNA.
>>71978465
Thats all islam and christianity teachs, retard.
>>71977313
this picture is the ultimate bait
>>71978476
Yeah because there are so many species evolving to another, too bad the only fossil that would actually prove evolution can't be found. But it is just a coincidence.
>>71978350
1 in a million is still better odds than 0 in a million. Especially when the stakes are eternity.
>>71978297
You can't have a debate if you don't know shit about what you're talking about. And theres nothing in my post showing Ive picked sidesunless you thibk studying will make you less religious
>>71977968
Ok ill bite. Early man before gaining sentience didn't have religion since animals can't experience religious belief. After gaining sentience and starting to develop things like coherent thoughts, language and early technology, man eventually created religion as a way of explaining the way the world works. Religion couldn't come before thought so technically the earliest man was atheistic, and the easily sentient man was atheistic before constructing religion.
>>71978506
Orly? I thought you like eating jesuss flesh out, man? Sounds pretty disgusting to me.
>>71978435
If someone has genuine faith then the wager is redundant to them because they believe anyway.
If someone does not believe, they're not going to be suddenly convinced to have genuine belief because of a chart.
The wager, then, does nothing but reinforce for the believer that they have it better than the non believer, and it does nothing for the non believer except perhaps antagonize them.
>>71978464
>>71978353
that's objectively false, just like your dumb religion
social animals like lions, wolves and monkeys have some morals but no religions. people who are non-religious still know right from wrong. do you know why christians don't follow the bible literally? because their innate morals clash with the bible. they pick and choose what seems acceptable.
>>71978569
>eating flesh is the same as eating shit
I thought atheists were smart
>>71977125
I don't believe in God, but no need to be such a cunt about it.
>>71978565
>since animals can't experience religious belief.
Dolphins and crows have been observed having religious rites
>>71978457
>IF GOD DOESN'T TELL ME NOT NOT TO KILL ILL HAVE TO KILL EVERYONE
>>71978514
>in the 80s and 90s
Nice reading comprehension.
I'm not trying to defend Islam.
But let's not kid ourselves, atheists have an exclusive hateboner for christianity anyway.
>>71978237
"Degeneracy" is a word people throw around to pretend there is a proper reason for their bias.
>>71978561
The chance is 1 in infinite, not 1 in million. Undefined. Can't say it's better than 0. Am I being simple enough for you to get it?
>>71978399
I'm here trying to defend our Lord from fedora tipping, meme-spazzing, edgelords and here you are denying evolution. Just stop, you're making fedora fags look intelligent.
>>71978380
actually I was condensing my initial argument into a form you're likely more used to, but obviously I failed since it was still unclear to you.
Faith is like a defense mechanism so that when the idea of our lives not mattering becomes increasingly apparent, we have something to explain it, rather than just give up. Those of us however who grew out of faith, or didn't bother with it in the first place, found other things to fill our lives with meaning; we still know that in the end, nothing matters (inb4 linkin edge), but within the context of our lifespan, we can make a positive difference to others around us. This is why religious people are irritating, because their 'good deeds' derive from brown-nosing a deity, rather than genuine good-will for others.
>>71978607
>Nice reading comprehension.
Do you think modern people didn't grow up in the 80s and 90s and thus judge religion based on what they learned in childhood? You're a fuckwit mate.
>>71978548
>teachs
>>71978388
>teachs
You should worry more about what your school taught you.
>>71978559
You have literally no idea what you're talking about friendo, but I suppose I should trust you over the 100% of scientists who believe in evolution.
>>71978597
>no need to be such a cunt about it
t. tolerant cuck apologist
yes there is, mass belief in false things is a mental illness.
>>71978357
Your premise was that the bible is false because it was 2000 years old. Probably the most retarded argument against something I've seen, but okay.
So, you were asked "what about other things that are 2000 years old? scientific processes?" No one claimed the bible was a scientific process, you stupid faggot.
Here's an example. The first steam engine is thousands of years old. The first calculator. The first telescope.
Just because something is thousands of years old doesn't automatically make it fictional or wrong. There are a number of good premises to argue the validity of the bible, but its age? Come on now.
I'm shocked this is a point that had to be made.
>>71978626
What if religious people are good people that also happen to believe in God?
>>71978600
and lots of animals use some tools that they shaped themselves and they give them to their offsprings later
2001 lied to us ;_;
>>71978609
How many of these do you think are Christians?
>>71978463
> comparing philosophy to say, food
Preferring murder over NOT murder is not the same as preferring apples over bananas.
>>71978361
I did. Several times. Either you're too stupid to see you've been answered or you're just trolling for as many responses as you can get. Either way, we're probably done here.
>It's an atheist trying to use logic to sway people from faith episode
Atheists really don't understand faith at all. Almost to an autistic level.
>>71978616
It's still not 0.
>>71977125
I really wish religion cucks would stop using Gervais as a target to focus their insecurities about their shitty cults.
There's so many intelligent, well spoken people defending atheist points of view much better than Gervais, who we all know is a fucking unlikable cunt, we know it ffs, ever will.
But no, let's attack Gervais because muh fedora atheism lel. And you people wonder why we find your stupid religions annoying.
>inb4 muh faith
>inb4 le epic fedora neckbeard maymay xDDD
Please, live by your shit made up rules if you want to but leave the rest of us in peace, we want no part in this. Specially you, americlaps, you guys get extremely salty when anyone attacks your ass religion.
>>71978507
Explain spirituality without the supernatural.
>>71978603
This
>>71978677
>It's a Christians trying to use belief to sway people from atheism episode
Christians really don't understand logic at all. Almost to an autistic level.
>>71978537
Explain being spiritual without religious or prime mover connotations in such a way that an atheist could be described.
>>71978677
just because faith is illogical at its core doesn't mean you can't use reason to educate people faggot
>>71977811
>go to prison
>get repeatedly raped
>find out God's not real and you went through all that for nothing
Lmao what a twist :^)
>>71978353
You're wrong, I have morals, I was well educated by my parents, I had several schoolmates who christians and they did all sort of immoral shit like stealing cars, abortions, beating their girlfriends etcetera, religion means nothing when you're a stupid person, they think that going to the church every sunday and confessing their sins will make them good again, these are the type of christfags that I hate.
>>71978648
>t. tolerant cuck apologist
Nah, I just don't give a shit.
>>71978444
Yes we don't you fag. There's much more left to learn than what we've already learned. Shit like singularities are proof of that.
>>71978677
More like
>It's an atheist trying to use memes to sway people from faith episode
>>71978636
>my views on Christianity are based on sensationalized stories about angry religious mothers calling for bans on video games in the media
No ordinary church today preaches about 'sex hating' or any other archaic Christian notions.
Most protestant churches insist that the bible should not be taken completely literally.
>>71978674
>I did. Several times.
You haven't though, and you can't, because it's illogical. Think hard anon.
>>71978701
Explain why you need supernatural shit in your spirituality.
>Spirituality is a broad concept with room for many perspectives. In general, it includes a sense of connection to something bigger than ourselves, and it typically involves a search for meaning in life. As such, it is a universal human experience—something that touches us all.
Connection to human race as a species that trived for generations. Meaning of live as a small part of that species in a specific era.
>>71978726
wew you got blown out anon. Go take a break.
>>71978563
The picture wasn't a commentary on a side you picked, but a remark on your cringe-worthy haughty recommendation that everyone needs to educate themselves.
>i suggest you guys study basic biology and astronomy
is right there with
>i suggest you choose [the higher rode of wit and reason]
>>71978355
>Pajeet
>>71978646
Not an argument. It's called THEORY of Evolution because it has not been proven.
They believe it is right, but they can not prove it, because there's not a single specie evolving into another
>>71978600
>Dolphins and crows have been observed having religious rites
How can you explain animals having religious rites without communicating with them so that they can explain that the ceremony they are doing is religious in nature. If one man sees another praying or doing other religious ceremony how can he know that those actions indicate of religion if the other person doesn't understand your language. If you see someone doing a ritualistic action you cant automatically assume that that action is religious in nature. Same for animals, just because you see them doing ritualistic actions doesn't prove that they have a concept of religion.
>>71978514
>and then Islam in today's era?
As if you cowardly faggots would ever criticize Islam. This Western atheist movement is solely about hating Christianity because daddy didn't give you as much attention as you thought you deserved.
>>71978728
Spirituality refers to certain kinds of activity through which a person seeks meaning, especially a "search for the sacred".[1] It may also refer to personal growth, blissful experience,[2] or an encounter with one's own "inner dimension."
>>71978761
>I just don't give a shit
if that were true you wouldn't post your worthless opinion here with your shitty thumbnails
How many of you guys actually brose reddit or thought about buying a fedora ?
Serious question here I won't even judge you.
>>71978770
>No ordinary church today preaches about 'sex hating' or any other archaic Christian notions.
What about the Westboro Baptist Church?
>>71978814
You should calm down anon, it's not good for your health.
>Near endless atheist threads
>Not a single religious thread
Why do Atheists feel the need to relentlessly justify their objectively wrong opinions?
>>71978570
Except point out a logical fallacy in someone so invested with the idea of their own intellect that they've killed any sense of spirituality in themselves to gain acceptance from some pseudo-intellectual modern cult.
You can't force someone to acknowledge their faith, but you can point out the rationality of having faith.
>>71978800
>As if you cowardly faggots would ever criticize Islam.
>>71978798
Alright, what's your theory? That a magic man in the sky created everything in a week? Where's your evidence?
>MUH BELIEF
I love when christfags try to argue scientists have no hard evidence for theories, but can't provide shit themselves.
>>71978798
>Not an argument. It's called THEORY of Evolution because it has not been proven.
Are you being ironic on purpose?
Only braindead trump voting christian rednecks are dumb enough to not know what theory means. Look up the definition of a theory you fucking nigger
>>71978598
You understand the wager refers to religion in general, including Islam. It's not a Christian-only thing.
But you sure showed Pascal!
>>71977125
Uh in the Old Testament there's a part where Moses goes to talk to Pharaoh and he's like "Stop enslaving us" and Pharaoh tells him to fuck off, then calls out his court magician. The magician throws his staff on the ground and it turns into a huge fucking snake. Moses is like psh and throws down his own stick and it turns into like ten snakes that eat the Pharaoh's snake. The point of the story is, God isn't the ONLY God that exists, just the Best one
>>71978738
Not illogical, extra-rational
Deciding whether or not to become faithful based on evidence already violates an aspect of faith. True faith can only be reached from a choice to commit to a lifestyle
>>71978843
if atheists are 'objectively wrong' does that mean every religion is right? even the ones that are incompatible?
>>71978581
>lions, wolves and monkeys have some morals
>lions, wolves and monkeys
>morals
So this is the level of intellect you've been reduced to after Hitchens died?
Why does atheism trigger americans so much? I thought it was the norm until the internet told me otherwise
>>71978838
If you think that's an ordinary church you have a fucked sense of ordinary
>>71978843
because atheism is the oldest shitpost in the book
I sincerely believe that there is a lot of negativity in this here thread.
Believers and non-believers may have different opinions, but both love shitposting. And that is what matters sometimes.
>>71978889
>no true scotsman
haha you're done mate
>>71978838
>Westboro
How the fuck is that an ordinary church, you massive retard?
They are notorious for being provocative extremists.
Their website is literally called godhatesfags.com.
>>71978785
Oh, something bigger than ourselves, huh? A meaning in this purposeless existence?
Careful, you're about to get kicked out of the atheist club with talk like that.
>>71978873
I read your post in the voice of a really bitchy high school girl
You write your posts in the style of a really bitchy high school girl
>>71978873
Shut up with your facts.
No religious person ever reads the bible anyway.
>>71978909
define ordinary, faggot
>>71978893
I'm pretty sure some caveman scrawled a shitpost onto a cave wall at some point
>>71978893
It's true
>>71978396
Listen, mate, if I say that judaism is the only true religion is because it is, don't contest me.
>It's another season of "atheists won't take a quick trip to /x/ to learn how to summon and gain objective proof of christ being very real"
Why haven't we started gassing them?
>>71978881
No silly billy
>>71978651
You know that's nice and all but my point still stands. Stories made up by people about things that allegedly happened are not "scientific discoveries". And saying "WELL YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT THEY DID NOT HAPPEN" has to be the worst argument in the history of mankind.
>>71978875
hence why it's a self-sustaining delusion
>belief without evidence is seen as a positive virtue
>>71978838
>Westboro Baptist Church?
They have 12 members. What about them? Why don't you cowards ever attack any mosques? 1/3 of them actually call for the murder of homos.
>>71978908
That's not how the fallacy works, idiot.
If I had said 'no church' and then changed it to 'no ordinary church' after you replied, it would have been the fallacy you wanted it to be.
Stop parroting words you don't understand, retard.
>>71978881
how the fuck should I know I'm not God.
>>71978850
>but you can point out the rationality of having faith.
Again, if you're only having faith because you might get a good afterlife, that's not genuine faith. If your sole reason for having faith is because it's rational, that's not faith. And if you have faith independent of the wager, then the wager is pointless for the believer because they don't need it to justify their faith in the first place. Faith is inherently irrational.
>>71978882
they don't kill each other, they take care of their young, share food, share territory
>>71978399
(You)
>>71978908
You don't know how that logical fallacy works, so you
>>71978968
>Why don't you cowards ever attack any mosques?
Because Islam wasn't a problem until 15 years ago? Why don't you attack mosques you gay faggot?
>>71978930
I read your post in the voice of a big fat anime reaction pic posting faggot but you don't see me whining about it
>>71978863
Yeah, and look at negative reaction he gets from libtarded athiests. I believe batman called him "gross and racist".
>>71978982
That's instinct, not morals.
>>71978793
>telling someone to improve himself is bad
Im not choosing the higher road or anything, but if you want a debate about the existence of god you need to know both religion and science. Kinda like how you cant talk about bodybuilding if you dont lift.
>>71978804
It's fun watching you atheists googling up definitions for spiritualism and rejecting the vast majority that include religion. Will it blow your mind to discover that some religions aren't theistic and have no creator deity?
Are you rejecting the notion of God or spiritualism? Are there souls or karma? Is there a purpose to existence? Is all spiritualism bunk and only what you can see real? Just how fedora'd are we here?
>>71978970
Oh you said ordinary? Sorry, my bad.
But not really, because using the word ordinary is just another fallacy.
>>71978909
>with no special or distinctive features
>what is commonplace or standard
Westboro is notorious for being the most extreme and offensive example of christian fundamentalism.
Far more so than even other conservative branches of christanity.
>>71977313
>>71979005
>instinct and morals are mutually exclusive
wrong.
>>71978957
>implying you don't acquire empiricism and most of your values through assumptions
>>71979003
>Yeah, and look at negative reaction he gets from libtarded athiests.
Not much? He has heaps of fans.
So when will ragging on atheism become too popular and cause all these compulsive contrarians to go back to being atheists?
>>71978953
Except no one said that bible was a scientific discovery. You just exploded onto the scene refuting a point that no one made.
>>71979044
Meant for:
>>71978937
>>71978990
>Because Islam wasn't a problem until 15 years ago?
2/10, have a (You)
>>71979005
Instinct? No such thing. It's been proven time and time again.
>>71979010
If you had just bothered to read my extremely short post, which was >Atheism means "no gods", then you wouldn't have had to type out all that nonsense just now.
The funny thing is, in this thread literally the only common argument against atheism is
>FEDORAFAG HAHA DUDE LMAO
>>71979072
>a
>fucking
>sandnigger
Epic, dude.
>>71978991
Omg, that's like so rude
>>71978982
Lions kill their young all the fucking time.
>>71978978
No one said it was the sole reason or a primary motivator.
>>71979056
No shit, but animals don't have a moral compass because they lack the capacity for higher thought.
>>71978428
Shit, I don't want to go to the hell of all the religions in the world, there are too many hells, what about hells from other planets, what if other planets have more hells than our world, what about space hell, how can I avoid all these hells?
>>71979064
>comparing mundane assumptions to someone claiming there is an all powerful creator of the universe and an afterlife
>>71979007
And your smug presumption that everyone here is uneducated and that we all need to get smarter to warrant discussion with you is the kind of obnoxious self-worship that was being ridiculed.
>>71979108
>he can't conjure
I guess you tip trilbys, then?
>>71979138
>comparing one fundamental worldview to another
>>71979067
Tell that to tyt, reza aslan, NYT, CNN, Ben Afflek and every other liberal propaganda machine.
>>71979121
yes and we have a higher moral sense that is constantly being refined. this has been happening way before religion
>>71978990
>Islam wasn't a problem until 15 years ago
This is how we know you're underage.
I'm guessing you first learned about them when mommy told you during 9/11.
>>71979102
Ah, so you believe in everything up to but not including Gods? How do your fellow atheists feel about your belief in ghosts and reincarnation? Do you find that your stance on "only God requires proof" to be hypocritical when you openly accept anything that's not God?
I miss checkmate atheists threads
>>71979121
???
It's been proven that you're wrong. Decades ago. Do you take your information from watercooler conversations with retards?
>>71977125
If you need this cunt to "really make you think," you're a fucking tool. Think for yourself, faggot.
>>71979161
except i didn't
>>71979032
>using the word ordinary is just another fallacy
Can't make this shit up.
>>71979195
Me too, bro.
>>71979197
>it was proven
>gives no proof
*nods hat*
>>71978439
I used to believe in god even though I wasn't baptised, then a lot of bad stuff happened to me and I saw many of my family member die in ways that no god would allow, I lost faith in whatever god there is, I don't believe in a god.
Yes, well done atheists, we'll done... HOWEVER.
We're you there?
>>71979189
>How do your fellow atheists feel about your belief in ghosts and reincarnation?
I don't know, why don't you ask them?
>>71979073
>Why would the date of its creation inherently make it more or less accurate? Are the sound scientific discoveries from back then suddenly voided because they're 2000 years old?
you are clearly establishing a correlation between the bible and scientific discoveries here
>>71979265
Because I'm asking you. How do you justify your atheism with belief in the supernatural excluding only God. Does that not strike you as wantonly hypocritical?
>>71977313
Alternatively
>be a christian
>put a bunch of unnecessary restrictions and obligations in your life, and maybe you'll live happily in an afterlife which may or not exist
>live your life the way you want to, they way it was meant to be lived, and maybe you won't live happily in an afterlife which may or may not exist
>>71979236
Look it up, you're the retard here. You didn't give proof either, why should I?
>330 posts in 90 minutes
is there anything that gives you more guaranteed replies than a religion bait thread?
>>71979236
It's not like they scanned the brains of animals in the last 20 years to see if... oh, wait...
Look it up.
>>71979306
Monty Hall and the OP pretends that switching is meaningful.
>>71979284
>Because I'm asking you.
Why would I know what they think about that?
>tfw Sathya Sai Baba is a literal Jesus character alive RIGHT NOW
>99% of people don't believe in hm
>yet they choose to believe someone like him existed 2000 years ago
>>71979277
Yes. The correlation was timeframe. That something being 2000 years old doesn't inherently mark it as worthless.
Your original point:
>they're not real because they are stories in a book made up by people 2000 years ago you retard
So, the discussion followed as thus:
>why does it being 2000 years old matter? lots of things are that old and they're scientifically sound
>>you're saying the bible is science!? LOL
>no, only that being 2000 years old is a weak argument against it
>>the bible isn't science
>no, I realize that. no one claimed it was. the issue was you using the bible's age to denounce it when we have science still in use today built off of 2000 year old inventions and ideas
>>so... you're trying to tie bibles and science together?
I swear, it's been one nosepinch discussion with you.
>>71979287
>one life of """restrictions""", because atheists don't understand that all you need to do is accept christ as lord and savior, isn't worth an eternity of reward
>>71979303
>go get some confirmation bias
Are all you atheists like this?
>>71979355
You haven't found any other atheist has been moved to comment on your belief that atheists believe in all supernatural save deities? Not once? I find that difficult to believe.
Or are you saying that you don't broadcast that fact to other atheists? Why not?
>>71979151
Im not talking about discussing with me, Im talking about discussing.
If you guys bring out the same arguments teenagers then nothing new will come out of it and the whole conversation was a waste of time.
If you guys bring arguments based on the latest scientific theories and all have read deeply into the Bible/Torah/Coran then the debate is useful.
>>71979398
>Or are you saying that you don't broadcast that fact to other atheists? Why not?
For the same reason I don't tell them what I had for breakfast? I dunno man
>I have finally become euphoria, tipper of fedoras
what did he mean by this
>>71979402
>discussion on /tv/
>ever useful
There have been some good nuggets in this thread, like there generally are in every religious thread. But since it's an open forum for anyone to post their thoughts, it's always going to be primarily shit.
>>71979189
There are no gods, ghosts, souls, reincarnations, nothing like that exists, you are born you grow reproduce and die, you only have one life to live and that is how nature works the rest is all fantasy even Jesus knew it.
>defending reddit: the belief system
>implying the new testament isn't just jewish shit with clear holes designed to create atheist goys
>>71979441
You don't think that they might have a negative view on your open acceptance of anything supernatural? You don't suppose most atheists see atheism as a rejection of the supernatural entirely rather than specifically being anti-God?
>>71979460
So, you reject the concept of spirituality?
>>71979460
I know fedora tipping and being objectively wrong go hand in hand, but jfc calm down Ahmed
http://www.angelfire.com/rnb/pearllibonline4/MasteringWitchcraft.pdf
>>71979487
>You don't think that they might have a negative view on your open acceptance of anything supernatural?
I don't really know what they think desu, other than that they don't believe in God. Since that's really the only descriptor being used here.
>>71979573
Seems like you had a great deal of opinions on the religious, but absolutely none on fellow atheists. Curious. :^)
>>71978663
Pretty sure they all are.
>>71978696
This.
>give atheists objective proof of christ's existence
>thread grinds to a halt
>>71979117
So do humans.
>>71979513
>So, you reject the concept of spirituality?
You can be spiritual, you can be whatever you want, it doesn't make it real, it's nothing more than an idea, magic doesn't exist.
>>71979540
(You)
>>71979687
just because a man named jesus existed doesn't mean all the shit in the bible is true
>tfw the protestant church has renounced hell
Suck it, Pascal.
>>71977656
Shut up snow nigger
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