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I thought all this Snyder was nonsense, trolling or contrarianism, but when my dad told me it was better than Civil War, I decided to give it another shot. I'm currently one hour in through the movie and I'm finding this much more enjoyable this time.
>Soundtrack is good. Thanks Zimmer.
>Tone is perfect. I haven't realized how childish Marvel movies are until I went on an 80s movie streak for the last month (thanks for the recommendation, Anon), and noticed how there isn't A SINGLE GOOD ACTION SEQUENCE in Marvel movies. It's really stupid when you think about it: "We are the police and we'll joke while shooting people in the head." Yeah, no. Moreover, the atmosphere isn't dark, it just doesn't sparkle with balloons like Marvel movies. BvS is like Nolan's trilogy all over again. It's not really dark, it's just that I'd been staring at the sun for the too long and couldn't see under proper light. This is how battles should be handled. Thanks Snyder.
>Don't get me wrong. I am (was?) an admitted Marvel shill, but I've realized that all that quipping will essencially ruin Spiderman. Spiderman was supposed to be the comic relief with an always optimistic view when things turn dark, but Marvel refuses effusively to make things serious. I'll discuss this in another thread.
>Lex is good. At first I had a bad reaction to his little crazy persona, but now I realize that he fits much more in current views of genius: excentric and a little bit anti-social. His reasons for being bad seem fairly good.
>They made the beginning shorter, right? That car sequence from the beginning seem much shorter than the first time I watched it.
>Maybe the plot was better elaborated on the UE, but I find it much more enjoyable and followable now. Maybe Zack is 2deep4me?
>>71877305
However:
>This time I realized how much I dislike Gadot. Now that I'm aware of who she is in the plot, I'm positively pissed on their choice of Wonder Woman.
>That Batbattle on the desert. I don't get it. Batman doesn't have premonitions, how could he know about those flying fuckers from Darkseid?
>Did he dream about that Flash time travel?
I'm liking the movie more and more every passing second. Hold on. I'll probably apologize in two hours.
>another shill thread
>>71877328
I think the cringe factor goes down the more you go through it. Like the martha scene and what not.
It's like Gods Among Us, it's a good looking movie, but the script is wasted on such amazing actors. It doesn't really push them to any boundaries. Afflec in the start was one of the few times, but after that it's just vanilla. I really like how the actors work in Marvel movies.
It's true that Avengers is a garbage movie, but like a lot of Joss Whedon shit, he gets some really enjoyable actors to just talk. It's good dialogue when the actors do it, but as for the actual dialouge itself, it's pretty bland. It's balanced though amongst the chracters, but Snyder lacks that. He didn't really make it feel like a Superman movie. There wasn't much of him in there and when it was it was just... bland.
I mean it's nuiances that you don't understand when you come to it by yuorself, but it's like Clint Eastwood in Good Bad and Ugly, good chracters just talking and it's immersive. It brings life to a pretty mundane script.
Frankly, I like the clint eastwood style more then the traditional Arnold Action Flicks (minus the conan movies obviously)
I love to see fleshed out chracters, and the fact that half the chracters in the movie don't even have dialogue, presence, meaning, or even an ounce of depth is what bothers people.
I doubt they can voice it properly too. But this why a lot of people enjoy TV shows like Breaking Bad, Mad Men, and what not.
Good chracters, well acted, you could just follow them around like Big Brother it feels like, even though it's completely fake.
>>71877305
Welcome to your home bro.
>>71877305
I'm here. Now what?
>>71878885
Watching over the UE and they timed Lex's footsteps with the music as he walks along the corridor.
That was nice.
Batman v Superman is so bad DC may have tanked their entire cinematic universe already.
You can bet your asses WB Exec's are fucking terrified that Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman might flop. Batman v Superman's gross was frontloaded as fuck and dropped HARD, only meeting the absolute bare minimum of box office expectations. It was entirely sold on hype and goodwill from fans, and the movie was complete shit, and everyone knows it. Everyone saw that Sad Affleck meme video, and the cultural consensus is, by and large, that BvS sucked. Is anyone really excited for Suicide Squad or Wonder Woman? Even fucking Justice League? Do normies know that movie is coming out? They're already a billion in the hole for this franchise, and it's not taking off like they hoped it would.
>>71878986
Do you not know how music is written for film?
They literally have the final cut in front of them and they write around the images.
The music was written AROUND the visual of the footsteps, the footsteps weren't filmed to be in time with pre existing score
>>71878648
The script is God-tier. You just didn't see the full picture.
The Martha scene and Eisenberg's performance are more nuanced than people give them credit for.
>>71879086
>SS
Memes are already stale, looks crap, will feel schizo in tone due to last ditch "marveling" reshoots
>WW
Gal can't carry a film. They chose the wrong war to be interesting.
>JL
Don't know enough yet, but it's tainted
>Batman Lego Movie
More than the above combined.
OP here. A few questions:
>Why does Batman attack to kill the security guards transporting the kryptonite? They are just that: security guards. It's not like they have done anything wrong and Batman has no reason to bring them down. It would be akin to killing that police officer with the shotgun.
>>71879086
Apologize.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Movies-TV-Blu-ray/zgbs/movies-tv/2958935011
http://dccomicsmovie.com/the-internet-has-begun-to-apologize-to-zack-snyder-for-all-the-hate/
http://comicdrops.com/2016/07/01/the-world-is-apologizing-to-zack-snyder/
http://www.screengeek.net/2016/07/01/internet-apologizes-to-zack-snyder-over-batman-v-superman/
http://www.gamezone.com/news/fans-apologize-to-zack-snyder-after-watching-ultimate-cut-of-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-3441211
>>71879278
Whatever, still nice.
>>71879574
It's score 101.
You're literally impressed by a basic, fundamental entry level technique and are confusing it for greatness.
Apt I suppose.
DC films are dark and colorless.
R-right?
>>71879792
The exception that proves the rule much?
>>71879769
>DC BTFO by Bayformers 5
Wow
>>71879278
http://geektyrant.com/news/lex-luthors-theme-is-just-a-distorted-and-reversed-version-of-supermans
>>71880013
And?
>>71879699
I hope one day I can be as much of a smug asshole as you one day for giving a simple compliment, you certainly impressed everyone else in the thread.
>>71880060
And therefore it probably wasn't designed around the scene.
>>71880067
>I learned something today.
You're welcome.
>>71880084
It most assuredly was.
You really think by "reversed" they mean a recording played backwards?
>>71880173
>You really think by "reversed" they mean a recording played backwards?
never even implied that
>>71880173
>>I learned something today.
That even when you try to be positive cunts like you have to spin it in a negative direction and feign some attempt at lording it over them? Sure did.
It's a good movie, but a terrible superhero movie. Literally no one acts like a hero in this movie.
>>71880274
yes they do, they just act realistic.
Another one has joined the chosen people in the sun
>>71880274
>good movie
it's a incoherent mess of editing and pacing with a dogshit script.
>>71880203
The piece was played around the scene using the reversed notations, the scene guiding beats and emphasis like a composer. You need to learn more about the process.
>>71880256
You are so ungrateful.
>>71880385
>incoherent
You are really stupid
>>71880379
You have to go back.
It wasn't a masterpiece as i thought, but i have to say that it was a good start for the DCEU and it felt diferent than the MCU movies.
Not that it is a problem, i liked Civil War.
>>71880454
YOU have to go back
>>71877305
>my dad told me
ofcourse you are an underage b& and a faggot
>>71880396
sauce?
>>71877305
>Soundtrack is good. Thanks Zimmer.
No, Thank you Tom Holkenborg
>>71877305
I'm very glad there are a select few patrician anons like me who realise the true genius of BvS
>>71877328
Admittedly this is my head cannon but the presence of The Flash might have caused a temporary disruption, giving Batman a glimpse of a possible future (most probably the future The Flash comes from).
>>71879520
They weren't "just security guards". They were mercenaries and smugglers.
Quit pausing the movie to post. That shit's so stupid. Like, it's no wonder you're confused.
I just watched this for the first time yesterday, it was the ultimate edition thinking that a longer version would include more action.
>batman vs superman
>they literally only fight for like 5 minutes.
Wtf, right?
>>71880656
I always saw that as kind of like a timeline closing in on itself.
I like Marvel movies more than DC movies because girls watch Marvel movies and fat neckbeards watch DC movies.
And I like girls more than fat neckbeards, an easy decision! loyalty to comic book brands is fucking retarded!
>>71880582
>Sauce on knowledge of the process
Learning.
>>71880694
i know this is b8 but I doubt anyone that likes BvS actually has brand loyalty.
I just think Snyder is a much better director than anyone marvel has had
>>71880730
Name for it? anything?
>>71880538
>having actual reddit post saved on his hard drive
>claims he's not reddit
yea, you have to go back
>>71880293
Bullshit.
Finally Superman is free of the crazy cartoony shit that's always plagued Superman movies.
And while BvS isnt best movie ever made or anything, it is - along with man of steel - the only superhero movie that actually dares to try something new, to break conventions and at the same time tell an interesting story.
Throughout all of MoS and BvS you can feel that someone put a great deal of work and effort into conveying his/their version of batman/superman.
By comparison civil war and AoU feel like they were made by a boardroom of executives working off a checklist of things they perceive as being currently hip.
>>71880765
Movie Scores FFS, I'm not mailing you a fucking text book.
>>71880736
Shane Black and the Russo Brothers are miles ahead of Snyder.
Even James Gunn is better.
>>71880736
His movies are about brooding jacked dudes punching in slow motion. You couldn't repel a woman more if you had little bits of hair sticking out of your armpits above your size C man boobs. And I know most of you do!
>DCucks
>>71880785
>he searches the reddit logo everytime he makes a meme.
>>71880813
Fucking this
MoS and BvS 100% feel more personal, like they are made by creators with a real story tell and with a genuine idea behind what they are creating.
>>71880827
>>71880840
>no brand loyalty
you can't even help yourselves lmao
its slowly beginning to dawn on me that these threads say that BvS is good, isn't just some joke
these are real studio shills repeating this moronic nonsense until it gets taken at face value
Good for you, shillfriends, it will take forever, so that's a big paycheck for you
>>71880813
BvS literally shills future movies in the middle of the movie.
Marvel films are produced by previous writers from the comic book industry.
>>71880694
>I like this thing because girls like it
So you're gay?
the mage control
>>71880530
What's the problem, kiddo? Dad walked out on you? You do realize regular functional families stay in touch and talk every once in a while, right?
>>71879520
Guys? The answer?
And why does Lex leave his secretary to die in that bombing? He isn't meant to be a random killer. Was that his alibi?
>>71877305
>>71878885
>>71879548
>>71879769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxV99PYX37c
>>71880870
see>>71880888 (trips confirm)
>>71880883
It's underage /co/ faggots and the same autists shitting on the movie since it came out.
>>71880901
If there was a party with nothing but dudes at it and there was another party with a bunch of girls in addition to some guys at it, would you call the person who went to the party with girls gay?
Also making fun of someone for being gay in the current year.
The DC universe is gonna get canned after suicide squad bombs bud :/
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>>71881001
this cuck faggot is literally you.
>tfw kids now think Batman and Superman are grimdark murderers
>tfw DC lost the pop culture console war for generations to come
>>71880888
>CW literally shills future movies in the middle of the movie.
>*cough* Black Panther *cough* Spiderman *cough* references to all previous movies *cough*
FTFY
Goyer also wrote for comics:
http://www.davidsgoyer.com/comics/
>>71881015
>personal attacks
not an arguement.
>>71880916
>this is what BvS haters sound like
wew lad wew.
Please keep posting that more, because it just makes you marvel shills looks worse and worse.
>>71881015
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Saw Civil War with a girl, got laid after. Overall a good time
No girls wanted to See BVS. only dudes in theatre. Movie was shit and didn't get laid after.
I prefer Civil war ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>71880813
>Throughout all of MoS and BvS you can feel that someone put a great deal of work and effort into conveying his/their version of batman/superman.
>By comparison civil war and AoU feel like they were made by a boardroom of executives working off a checklist of things they perceive as being currently hip.
>>71881015
>Pro Supes and Anti Supes beside each other
DC's version of DC Police are inept
>>71881115
>>71881074
stop trying so hard
>>71881001
>implying most Marvel fans aren't men
Suck a dick bro.
>>71881169
cuck nu-males aren't men
>>71881062
Nope, Black Panther and Spider Man are characters.
Flash and Aquaman are not, they show up and leave quickly with no development.
>>71880813
>And while BvS isnt best movie ever made or anything, it is - along with man of steel - the only superhero movie that actually dares to try something new, to break conventions and at the same time tell an interesting story.
Yet DC is verbatim copying Marvel's style of film franchise, and any pretension of depth the film has is squandered when the climax ends with a laser in the sky and a fight with a CGI dinosaur
>>71881235
>and any pretension of depth the film has is squandered when the climax ends with a laser in the sky and a fight with a CGI dinosaur
interesting, why is that?
>>71881062
Black Panther was inserted into the story in a good way.
Also, Goyer got fired.
>>71881290
>opinion refuge
do you actually discuss superhero films with your friends, or anyone?
>>71881270
Because it's claiming to be above standard capeshit while at the same time partaking in its worst indulgences? You absolutely cannot pretend the movie is some artistic achievement and isn't made by a corporate committee when the movie stops in its tracks so Wonder Woman (who shouldn't even be in the movie to begin with) can watch teasers for Justice League on her laptop.
>>71881239
>raped
yep
>>71881131
Don't need to try at all, I say two things and you guys respond for hours ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>71881169
>>71881193
More girls than DC ever had. Highest grossing movies of all time must have some female friends right? That record breaking Dark Knight was almost 10 years ago now, those people have shifted their loyalty.
Tfw DC fans are so loyal to their money hungry studio they'd actually choose a shitty movie over getting laid
pic related, huge marvel fan ;)
>>71880274
>It's a good movie, but a terrible superhero movie.
that is because it is not a movie.. it is kino
>>71877305
i enjoyed it the first time but I hated it when i rewatched it with the deleted scenes. Fuck capeshit, I'm not going to give DC or Marvel money ever again.
>>71881355
>i know nothing about the film industry: the post
>DC fans claiming the way Aquaman, Cyborg and the Flash were introduced in an Email is equivalent to how marvel do it
Really guys?
>>71881235
While I agree that the last half hour of BvS looked like a really shitty video game, I dont see the similarity in tone or style to the marvel formula.
I mean, Soosai Skwa is obviously dcs attempt at making lighthearted Marvel/Disney-style family oriented movie, but I really dont see it in BvS.
The ending is apocalyptic, as is it was in MoS.
The thing I cant be bothered to spoiler at the end of BvS and the subsequent scenes had much greater emotional impact than anything in any marvel movie.
>>71881370
I know you think you are really upsetting people but you're too obvious about it.
>>71881463
So don't reply you dumb cunt.
>>71881195
Character that had literally nothing to do with the Sokovia Akkords:
>Spiderman
>Antman
>Hawkeye
Stark has Vision on his side. Remind me why Stark needs Spiderman again?
Ow, it's to introduce him into the MCU you say? Good, so his """""character""""" is literally a walking ad.
>>71881513
Just wanted to let you know, completely inoffensive.
>>71881421
Marvel has the decency to put it after the credits.
>>71881423
>implying SUPERMAN "DIES" is a spoiler
>>71881528
That's better than shoving a teaser for cyborg for no reason.
>>71881528
Which is still better than WW opening the sequel bait attachment.
>>71880813
>Finally Superman is free of the crazy cartoony shit that's always plagued Superman movies.
only to be portrayed by an actor who has the acting range of a carrot (the way he emotionally reacts to the bombing on the capitol or whatever the fuck that building was)
my only question is, when will Snyder adapt The Boys and truly bring us into the Golden Age of Capekino?
mfw all I want is a live action version of Batman the animated series with fassbender.
>>71881528
Dude, I don't think anyone will argue with you that Spiderman was kind of halfassedly inserted into the movie, but at least he's charismatic and has a good rapport with the rest of the cast.
A character like Wonder Woman in BvS has absolutely no stake in anything and has no reason to be there, she shares 2 or 3 scenes with Batman and doesn't even interact with Superman. Gal Gadot also has the screen presence of a wooden plank.
>>71880813
Which part is new? The cringe-worthy dialogue? The "baby's first screenplay" version of superman as a god? Batman's "I'm too old for this" shtick. So dumb. So bad. It's new the way a porn parody of The Shining would be a "new take on the haunted classic"
>>71881541
>>71881463
> still feeling the need to reply
> claims he's not upset
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ too easy
>>71881112
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G97LrHy0aSQ
let the hate flow
>>71881541
>I just want the last word
I ain't even him. Grow up.
>>71881370
>tfw most girls will dress as Harley Quinn on Halloween this year
reminder
Marvel fans are blacks and holocaust deniers
>not muh comics
>muh JL setup
the shitty "arguments" you people latch to just make you seem stupid btw
>>71881619
>>71881615
Just wanted you to be aware it's not doing what you think.
>>71881633
> girls you'd never have a chance of sleeping with
> girls who don't even know suicide squad is a DC movie
> girls who never saw BvS
> girls who probably think she's a marvel character since marvel is more popular now.
Welp. ya tried ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>71881646
And your image isn't...?
>>71881683
> still replying
top kek. I live for pissing off fat nerds like you.
Idk if I get the last word or not, I got plans
>>71881683
STOP FEEDING HIM YOU STUPID CUNT
>>71881528
Hawkeye literally says I owe Wanda a debt
>>71881712
ironic autism is still autism
shots in this kino are literally like paintings
does marvel even have anything close to this level of art?
>Dannyboy doing company wars
DC ES KINO JAJA
>>71881738have to keep the thread alive/spoiler]
reminder that only nu-males, feminists and SJW's hate BvS.
>>71881802
THE THREAD IS FINE WITHOUT YOU FELLATING A TROLL
SHUT THE FUCK UP
>>71881763
and yet, here I am off to hang out with my girlfriend while you anxiously come up with another "comeback" out of the 5 you know (reddit, autism, beta, sjw, cuck).
I'll tell her say hi. If you have anything else to say, let me know fast cause I'm gonna screencap this and put it on r/4chan for free karma.
Till next time, try just just not responding! It works wonders and makes you look less like a wannabe virgin ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>71881851
didnt read
>>71881832
To be fair, real people really do this with celebs.
>>71881630
shit animation
>>71881809
fascist!
>>71877305
>Soundtrack.
Good most of the time, but some of it is really over the top and overbearing. Iconic themes are nice, but music that's incongruent or which takes precedence over the scene isn't great.
>Tone is perfect
I guess...? It depends on the movie's goals really. If you watch a lot of marvel in a row then its lightness and childishness will be progressively worse. And if you watch super serious, dower, dreary, pessimistic movies it'll also get bad. Each tone suits its goals I think although generally Marvel is less suitable in the sense that it isn't as "realistic".
But then, I think they're supposed to be more fantastical movies. DC movies have been dark. There are direct murders that aren't necessary, and there's strange filters or lighting in many occassions.
>Lex is good
*was*.
I actually like Jesse Eisenberg and I liked his Lex early on, but his motivations are idiotic with only the semblance of rationalization provided by sophomoric philosophy.
I definitely agree that genius is portrayed as "anti-social". If you look at Steve Jobs or Zuckerman they're seen as controlling, driven, and charismatic but only to the public. This is exactly how Lex is in comics and how he would have been good.
Now in the movies he's already pinned as a maniac and we'll never see him get to be a mastermind behind other badguys or events.
I'm tired of this shit. These aren't even the biggest issues. The biggest issue that still stands is unforgivably sloppy editing and motivation. The movie could have been stream lined and made into a coherent and visceral 2 hour movie or so.
>>71881832
if you've ever been to a concert, you've seen fanboys trying to touch celebrities
imagine that, but someone that is almost godlike
of course you'd want to be able to say you've touched him
>>71881832
>No, instead we have people acting like people.
lol
>>71881878
SO WHY REPLY YOU AUTISTIC CUNT??!!!
>>71881935
to waste the autist's time.
>>71877305
>It's really stupid when you think about it: "We are the police and we'll joke while shooting people in the head."
There are plenty Marvelshit movies where this doesn't happen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BapOytSq_Nc
>>71881922
I was going to add, but more shoving.
Maybe Jesusman laser eyed the last shovers?
ANG LEE HULK WAS BEST HULK
FITE ME
>>71881961
> wasting autist's time
> falling for bait this obvious.
/tv/ - television and film
>>71882010
shitty b8 can still be autistic, dumbfuck.
>>71881491
Im kind of annoyed that you're making me type this out because it is so very fucking obvious but alright
They establish throughout the whole movie that this Superman isnt the literal God he was in previous incarnations of the character.
However, every single person on the entire planet with the exception of a handful of people (Lois Lane, Bruce Wayne etc.) still perceive him to be just that.
This causes Superman and - basically - the entire world to face an existential crisis that kevin costner predicted in MoS.
Superman knows that he cant save every last person on earth and how fucking could he? This is besides the point but those tacked-on shots of reeves/routh flying around the world to save 3 specific civilians in trouble or whatever just to play it safe were always lame.
The statue/monument of superman erected, shown repeatedly throught the movie, is a metaphor for the most urgent paradox of the situation the world and superman find themselves in: If God is all powerful he cant be all good blablabla.
Sorry I'm losing patience so I'll just hurry this up now.
Throughout the movie everyone hates superman because that they dont have an answer to this question frightens them.
In the end superman saves them and dies for them, during which the monument is destroyed.
By dying, Superman showed the world and himself that he isnt allpowerful, but that he is all good. Ultimate lawful good, as superman should be.
This makes everyone like him.
And so they do this for him.
If you need me to explain why that has emotional impact I'm going to have to resort to calling autism.
>>71881961
Literally cutting off your nose to spite your face. Idiot.
>>71882043
what is /tv/
>>71881601
This. how fucking hard can be it be? Hamm would also be good.
>>71882044
after the bluray/dvd/rental sales, they wont
they will realize that snyder's vision was perfect and that they shouldnt have meddled in his magnum opus and give him free reign for Justice League
>>71882027
sage'd cause I'm feeding an angry OP too much attention
>>71882086
not OP loser
>>71882038
You might explain mechanically how it was SUPPOSED to work emotionally.
It still didn't work.
>>71882124
It did though.
>>71882181
>>71882124
arguing over the very SUBJECTIVE way in which a movie affects you emotionally.
That guys, is actually autism.
>>71882124
>EXPLAIN HOW IT HAD EMOTIONAL IMPACT
explain explain explpain
>WELL... IT DIDNT FOR ME ANYWAY LOL
>>71882181
No, it didn't.
Because
a) Superman was utterly unlikable in this
b) MINUTES AFTER WE'RE TOLD HE IS STILL ALIVE
>>71882231
True, just did it to spite him.
>>71881115
precisely why BvS is better than anything Marvel may put out. I'm actually sad for Thanos or a possible Galactus storylines, those two are the only thing I like in Marvel but they will just waste Galactus with a dance off bro won't they, girls will chuckle, guys will get laid and a legend will be shitted on once more
>>71882270
>Superman was utterly unlikable in thisfor you
i liked him
>>71879520
This Batman has been working for 20 years in Gotham, he doesn't give any fucks anymore and kills without remorse.
>>71882270
I knew that he came back and it was still an incredibly emotional moment.
>>71882240
Again, it only shows how it was supposed to work. Outside /tv/ shitposting, no one walked away from that film shocked by Supermans death.
BECAUSE SUPERMAN DIDN'T DIE
>>71882270
>a) Superman was utterly unlikable in this
4u
>b) MINUTES AFTER WE'RE TOLD HE IS STILL ALIVE
BECAUSE HES FUCKING SUPERMAN
OF COURSE HES COMING BACK TO LIFE YOU FUCKTARD
ITS LITERALLY JESUS THE CHARACTER
THAT DOESNT MEAN THAT HIS SACRIFICE WAS ANY LESS MEANINGFUL
OR THAT EVERYONE HAVING HIS BACK AFTERWARDS HAD ANY LESS IMPACT
>>71882383
>No it wasn't.
autism.
>>71882330
kinda paradoxing a bit there
posting from r/4chan hello autists
>>71882368
>BECAUSE SUPERMAN DIDN'T DIE
Oh you never actually saw the movie, that explains a lot.
>>71882376
Actually his sacrifice wasn't meaningful at all
>>71882383
You haven't watched the ultimate edition have you?
I have a feeling very few of the people complaining about it in every thread has.
i have a feeling people that love BvS prioritize style, cinematography, action sequences, and aesthetics over story and character likeability
marvel fans seem to be the opposite
this is why BvS is pure Kino and marvel films are fun flick romps
>>71882431
A true hero is the one that still saves you despite your hatred towards him
>>71882293
You must have a thing for scowling sociopaths then. To each their own I suppose.
>>71882376
Don't you guys always say he's NOT jesus, public perception, kino kino?
>His sacrifice
He had a nap after getting injured.
Big sacrifice.
>>71882472
I don't care about character likeability, just direction and what is compelling.
>>71882431
>how is it meaningful
nigga i just explained it
you seriously, literally, for real have autism if cant understand that someone can feel something from a story a about a guy who is hated by everyone who then tries so hard to help people that he literally dies for them and finally finds acceptance.
>>71882517
Reminder that acting stupid isn't trolling.
>>71882000
It sure was the trippiest Marvel movie. Are you supposed to watch it while high or something?
>>71882447
Not him but I never saw any part of this film, watched the ultimate edition last week and thought it was great.
>>71882038
Except Superman isn't all good. He can be corrupted by killing Lois.
>>71882536
writers of all stories you defend are what you describe
>>71882465
>Only 5 minutes
I didnt say I walked home in tears.
I said his death had an emotional impact on me.
Do you think Superman knew he would/could come back to life? Then how is is sacrifice less meaningful?
>>71882541
We understand it from the mechanical, screenwriting point.
We disagree on it's effectiveness.
>>71882561
>Can't make a rebuttal
>Dismiss as bait
Lazy ass.
>>71882590
Same, I really don't get these complaints that Superman is unlikable and looking through what was added in the UE it seems a lot of Clark's characterization wasn't in the theatrical.
>>71881060
>Green Lantern, one of the best heroes, has been a laughing stock since 2011
>He'll never be taken seriously in a movie again
>>71882650
so you want him to be shallow and one-dimensional?
>>71882691
The MARTHA scene was beautiful and is a genuine pleb filter.
>>71882608
Anyone over the age of 8 knew that the death wouldn't last. Snyder assumed you were dumber than toddlers by saying "he's OK kids"
>>71882691
The martha scene was more about batman you stupid pleb
>>71882697
he has to be, otherwise it isn't superman
you have no idea about neither storywriting or character building
>>71882726
>mfw Justice League gets rated R because Snyder goes overboard in trying to make Aquaman badass
>>71877305
everyone can only "marathon" this shitmovie for an hour and then they need to shitpost lol
>>71882677
Pretty sure GL's been confirmed for Justice League Part 2, though I like that one theory that it won't be Hal but Jessica Cruz to offset the sausage party the league is so far.HAL JORDAN HAD HIS CHANCE
>>71882650
>Because he is Superman, I expect him to save the world no matter what.
Yeah, and that gave us a bunch pof great movies like the one where superman can throw a kryptonite continent into space while a kryptonite shard is LITERALLY sticking into his ribs.
Just.... fucking open your mind to the concept that Superman isnt always exactly how you perceived him when you first read a comic or saw a movie as a kid.
Or fuck it, dont open your mind, stick the other 5 movies with the superman you DO like and leave me to like the 2 movies with the Superman I like.
Why is it such an affront to you that people like different things?
>>71882734
Yes, Batman reacting to the alien demigod having a mommy, IE Supes humanity being revealed FFS
>>71882755
Sadly the easiest way to legitimize Aquaman is to point him at one of the Big 3 and make them job, if only for a single scene, with Superman in the grave and WW a special snowflake look forward to Batman getting "playfully" backhanded across a room for speaking out of turn.
>>71882784
It's not, NOT MUH SUPERMAN
It's, "this character is horrible" Superman or not.
>>71882792
Batman reacted to the name "Martha"
If Superman's adoptive earth mother was named Jane or something, his ass would have been dead
>>71881739
>>71881796
That doesn't refute his point.
>>71881575
>>71881707
Who cares if DC did it terribly? That doesn't make Marvel's method good
>>71881558
He had the cuffs that he used on Cap in the finale, and Iron Legion bots. Seems pretty easy to just spam them
DC fans
>>71882817
Also, I noticed he still wears a red and blue costume
>>71882881
I never said the Martha scene was well executed anon, but the intent was clear.
>>71882907
Hence "better"
Learn to English.
>>71882869
>This character is horrible Superman or not.
You should become a professional movie critic
>that one guy samefagging the entire thread shitting on the movie just got banned
jesus christ
>mfw i started posting BvS infographs and zack snyder capekino memes on reddit months ago
>>71882964
>I never said the Martha scene was well executed anon, but the intent was clear.
If the intent was to portray Batman as having PTSD over a fairly common woman's name, then sure
>Marvelfags btfo yet again
I love you DCbros
>>71882974
I'm not about to vomit paragraphs on 4chan. I'd be disregarded as autistic for detail, and dumb for brevity. You don't like my opinion, tough shit.
>>71882792
It was about making Batman realize how far he fell
>>71883016
>If the intent was to portray Batman as having PTSD over a fairly common woman's name, then sure
>he literally didnt get that it's also the name of Batmans murdered mommy
>>71883016
>Agree
>Still get shit
FFS
>>71883074
Yes, thank you Snyder.
I picked up on that """"""""""SUBTLE"""""""""" concept.
>>71883103
It was also the last thing his father said before he died
>>71881953
It's called reverence. Have you ever been to a temple or cathedral? People don't just rush in to what they want, there is some kind of respect.
>>71879396
But he was right about the dialogue and Superman. Snyder tried to do something different with Superman and it backfired.
>>71883103
I got that, dipshit
It's just fucking stupid that Batman only spares Superman's life because of a coincidence
>>71883142
Then what are you complaining about? That scene fits perfectly with Batman, it was actually really intelligent and proves Snyder understands the character more than most.
>>71883058
Fair enough, since I did take the time to write down and explain my interpretation of and opinion on the movie I thought you might have paid me the same courtesy but I guess you're just a cunt.
There's literally nothing better at the end of the day than a thread deconstructing Snyders kino genius.
>>71883188
It was executed poorly, it was unsubtle and childish, it was self congratulatory and it was ultimately an anti climax.
>>71883173
Because if he stopped for any other reason you'd be shitting on Lex Luthor for being stupid. Lex only failed to win because of something he didn't take into account at all, that their mothers had the same name.
>>71883265
I wholeheartedly disagree with all of these, and it was surely a much more meaningful ending to the fight than whatever else they would've came up with.
>>71883218
You literally just said, "stop disliking what I like."
If ignoring that makes me a cunt, so be it.
>>71883173
IM NOT EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE TODAY
>>71883277
>Because if he stopped for any other reason you'd be shitting on Lex Luthor for being stupid
It's almost as if the movie was poorly written!
>>71883343
No I wrote the really long post earlier brah, which thought you were replying to
>>71883277
It would've also been out of character for Batman to stop in another way.
Knowing these autists they would've preferred Batman to have stopped because Lex unleashes Doomsday earlier.
>>71883315
>Surely
Nice weasel word.
And whilst I respect your "honest whole hearted opinion" and wouldn't dream of thinking you're just playing the contrarian, I must disagree and assume that if you are being honest you are also profoundly stupid.
>>71883406
You mean the one about how heart wrenching 5 minutes time out was? See above.
>>71883521
You sound really ignorant because you can't actually come up with a reason why it's a bad way to end the conflict, throwing words like "childish" and "unsubtle" isn't an argument.
>>71883277
Lex would have never even come close to winning in the first place if Batman and Superman weren't written to be total fucking morons just to move the plot along
>>71883476
>OOC for the world's greatest detective to be smart
This is what Snyderfags actually believe.
>>71883596
You forgot anti climax.
>>71883597
What were they doing that made them total fucking morons?
>>71883405
The reason for them to stop fighting has to be seemingly insignificant and easily overlooked. Otherwise we'd be questioning why Lex didn't do something about it.
>>71883635
You could watch the film.
>>71883682
Good explanation, i hate superman now
>>71883695
>Good explanation, i hate superman now
>>71883635
Well, the entire movie would have been solved if A. Batman did about 5 minutes of actual detective work and/or B. Superman tried to talk it out with Batman
>>71883668
Lex magically knows Batman's secret identity but he doesn't know that Bruce Wayne's mother was named Martha? Lex figures out Superman's secret identity, and even kidnaps Martha Kent, and didn't think about this??
>>71883598
Nowhere in BvS is it suggested that Batman is the world's greatest detective. There's also how he's blinded by his hate.
>>71883731
>if A. Batman did about 5 minutes of actual detective work
how so?
>Superman tried to talk it out with Batman
he did
>>71883695
What do you want, a scene by scene deconstruction?
>>71883731
Or Both.
They'd even be IN CHARACTER if that happened.
>>71883780
So we agree BvS is OOC fanfiction. Great.
>>71883777
>Lex magically knows Batman's secret identity but he doesn't know that Bruce Wayne's mother was named Martha?
Batman didn't back off just because they had the same parent's name, it's literally because Thomas said Martha as he died, how would Lex have known that?
>>71883777
He didn't think that it was a significant detail. Why would anyone think that they'd stop fighting because their moms had the same name?
>>71883834
Yeah, I mean, IT IS PRETTY STUPID
>>71883833
Lex wouldn't have figured out an 8 year old watching his PARENTS die might SEE THAT AS A SIGNIFICANT EVENT and thus try to save a PARENT in peril...with the same name as the dead mother...?
This Lex was retarded.
>>71882623
The conflict portrayed in the shots, show the public seeing Superman as a Saviour figure, while Superman sees himself as a guy with power trying to do the right thing, even if he does have the ability to be more than that. In case you didn't get it it's about the conflict of perceptions that the film is trying to explore.
>>71883985
Once again, the signifance of it was Thomas saying Martha as he lay dying, just as Clark was doing, putting Bruce in the figurative shoes of Joe Chill.
Lex really couldn't have accounted for that.
>>71884046
We get what it tried to do. It was still shit.
Why don't you get that?
>>71884055
Again, >>71883985
Please address any aspect of the point made.
>>71884140
I just did, if Thomas hadn't said her name or any other situation occurred in which he didn't hear it then he would've almost definitely killed Clark, not sure why you are so confused by this.
>>71884140
You asked for multiple explainations like you had a point, so no you obviously didn't get it.
>>71883985
so lex should try to compensate based on the slim chance that: thomas heard his father say martha, remembers it and that Clark would mention martha's name as he also lay dying at Bruce's hands?
oh wait he did, because he had a contingency plan in case something coincidental like that had happened.
>>71883822
>>71883822
>>71883863
Kek, MCUcks trying to win arguments with laame one liners.
P O T T E R Y
>>71884208
Ok, read my post here >>71883985
Actually read it. Slowly.
Now consider.
Lex Knows their identities.
Lex could indeed SHOULD know the names of their mothers.
Lex is trying to manipulate them, by pressing the right buttons,by knowing how they think.
You expect me to believe that this master manipulator failed to account for the psychological impact of parents being murdered.
Failed to spot that Jonathon Kent died, a potential common ground.
Failed to account for the mothers having the same name, thus, common ground.
Failed to anticipate they might TALK to each other.
Sorry, don't buy it. Martha scene is just as retarded in the context of the narrative as it is to the viiewer.
You convinced me it makes LESS SENSE, not more. Well done.
>>71884334
>>71884404
See above, climb a wall of dicks.
>>71883781
>how so?
Batman has been able to deduce Superman's identity in just about every comic in which they encounter each other, Batman is also very fastidious and has a file on everyone he meets, even a nobody reporter like Clark Kent
>he did
No, not really, he had his chance when he stopped the Batmobile, but decided to threaten him instead
>>71884587
watch the ultimate edition
>>71884556
You still don't seem to understand why Batman stopped, even after being spoonfed it several times.
Either way, Lex STILL accounted for it with Doomsday.
>>71884601
I have. It doesn't address his points at all.
>>71884556
I too found Lex's plans and the Martha scene ridiculous.
Until I remembered I was watching a COMIC BOOK movie, with comic book evil antagonist plans, and comic book resolutions and twists.
There were a lot of things to hate other than this. Like "El Flasho".
>>71884636
And you still didn't read a damn thing I said. Whatever, I shouldn't expect anything else.
>>71884636
>Either way, Lex STILL accounted for it with Doomsday.
Lex didn't account for shit
The movie tries to tell us that Lex is some master manipulator, but it doesn't do it very convincingly
Again, Lex seems to magically know Batman's secret identity
>>71883833
>it's literally because Thomas said Martha as he died
That was literally a ripoff of the Rosebud scene from Citizen Kane.
>>71884556
what does the above have to do with the perception argument? So you don't have a point and respond with an insult, k then fuktard.
>>71884724
I have, basically you're saying that Lex's plan is stupid because he didn't account for a series of coincidences, and in the end he actually did because he had a contingency plan readily available.
>>71884641
superman tries to persuade batman right before the fight started and batman doesn't listen, not in the theatrical version if i recall.
>>71884710
Just saying it's a comic book film shouldn't be a free pass on lazy writing.
Sure, El Flasho's Inception Dream Enabling Speed Force
Next Movies as an attachment
Poorly utilised Doomsday, Death of Superman and Dark Knight
Superrman flying around the globe in a heartbeat to save Louis, twice, but suddenly powerless when mom is in peril
There are lots of issues.
And if you try to raise them?
>>71884822
>>71884849
Denial and meme spewing.
Fuck this movie and its false defenders.
>>71884776
>Ripoff
Nah fampire, is based Snyder givin it kino props, dats an homage bruv kek kek U geddit?
>>71884908
Are you pretending to be retarded? Because we just gave you incredibly clear explanations for why you're wrong and all you've done is gone "no ur wrong"
>>71884970
You failed to engage with any point I made. Instead you explained what was already understood. It's like you can't or won't come to my level. It's just irritating.
>>71885035
reading this post: >>71884556
just indicates to me you don't actually understand why Batman stops, since you think Lex could've created his plans around that fact without it being an incredibly ridiculous gamble. Whereas having Doomsday as a backup is legitimate in case something incredibly coincidental like that happened.
>>71885195
And Doomsday wasn't a ridiculous gamble? What if Doomsday had won? Now an unstoppable monster is rampaging around the world, and it's all Lex's fault. Heck, the first thing Doomsday does when he wakes up is try to kill Lex.
>>71884556
Lex was expecting them to not be able to communicate effectively, with Batman obsessed and enthused at taking on Superman, and Superman in a rush to rescue his mom.
Also Batman's obsession with trying to be a hero(excalibur reference) led him to respond to M artha in a personal way, because his fight against Superman was so ego driven, he took it as though it could be some sort of sign in his search for meaning.
>>71884908
More insults, as expected so you don't have a response.
>>71885261
Doomsday was a a gamble, but like I said it was just a backup in case something coincidental like Batman having a trauma trigger moment makes him stop fighting Clark, but at the same time Lex was under the impression he would have some control over it due to having his genetic material, or, a big leap since it's not really stated, that they'd be able to kill it with kryptonite somehow, it quickly became something that blew up in Lex's face.
Doesn't make it bad writing.
>>71885195
And reading your failed attempt at understanding exhausts me. I can only conclude you, for whatever reason CANNOT understand the points made or actively choose to IGNORE the points made in favour of making up your own version.
Either way, there is nothing to gain any more.
See this guy? >>71885281 He gets it. He has seen and understood what's written, been willing to engage and made a valid point.
>>71885281
That does make sense, and whilst I feel I'll always disagree on the execution, the idea itself seems thought through.
>mfw I bought it in digital HD on Amazon because I didn't want to wait for torrent
>mfw it warned me that if I didn't use Amazon through an Xbox or iPad that I won't be able to watch it in HD
>mfw I was high as hell and thought it was just being retarded. surely I could log into my account and watch it through my computer (hooked up to be big screen of course)
>mfw NOPE I can only watch it in SD. Not a manchild so no consoles to make it not matter. And to top it all off, Amazon removed their app from Chromecast because Google is their rival I guess
FUCK YOU AMAZON IF I FUCKING AT LEAST BOUGHT IT OFF GOOGLE I COULD ENJOY IT STREAMING IN HD. NOW I HAVE TO PIRATE IT ANYWAYS.
Waste of 20 bucks. That's what I get for buying a movie for once.
>>71885433
Tons of things happen during the movie that Lex had no control over
What if Batman figured out Superman's identity before MARTHA?
What if Superman had convinced Batman not to fight him when he confronted Batman in the Batmobile?
What if Wonder Woman did... Anything of note?
>>71885562
I was working under the assumption you understood those simple things since that's what half the movie was about.
>>71881916
>>71881809
apparently because Batman says that "even if there's one% chance that he(superman) could turn evil, we have to kill him the movie is facist or so I've been told iirc I dunno famalam ding dang diggidiedang
>>71885683
>2deep4u
Really?
And you wonder why people disregard everything people say about this as trolling?
Really?
"It wasn't that I refused to engage, you're just stupid."
Wow. Enjoy never being taken seriously.
>>71885815
I just mean it seemed obvious to me, not trying to be condescending, I'm usually terrible at analyzing films so I assumed it would've been pretty clear given Bruce's interactions with Alfred.
>>71885759
>the movie is facist
Jesus fucking Christ. Batman is presented as a villain in the movie. You're supposed to be disturbed, even frightened if you're high enough. The movie essentially tells the audience that vigilantism is a path of ruin. All it does it destroy you and make what you hate stronger. That's A message at least. Fucking hell it's all thrown like a pie at your face, it's that blatant.
>>71877305
I never bothered to go to the cinema and the BD version seems decent. What did they add?
BvS failed. I can appreciate that they "tried" to be different than Marvel, it just did not work. They should have just copied Marvel and put out a few more movies first. Superman deserved to have at least two more movies. Batman could have had two movies. They could have seeded those two movies with Lex pulling strings, New Gods shit, and metahumans. Built it up to BvS. But no! They had to play catch up with Marvel and made a mess of a movie. They said fuck foreplay, we're just going to blow our wad right now.
>>71886023
A lot of scenes explaining motivations and background. Movie version makes most of the events look confusing because they are half presented.
>>71885890
It's ok. I give up. My point here >>71885562
Unchanged. I'm erring more now to choosing to ignore. Well done. You got me. Good bait you asshole.
>>71886155
It's not baiting because you don't understand things. Your entire argument is hinged on the fact that you think they would have the time to talk, that Bruce would be willing to listen and that Clark would bring up the name Martha to quicky resolve their differences.
(and to me the context of martha being brought up was more important than it just being brought up)
>>71885928
That's not how a lot of ppl interpret it. They assume going in that Batman is going to be the hero.
A podcast I listen to, /Filmcast (which would get instantly slammed here as sjw btw) they came away after seeing the film with the impression that Snyder absolutely hate Superman as a character and with the impression that Batman's tactics of branding criminals is horrifying, but that the movie implies that it's a good thing. Now I have to say that I think they're probably overeacting a bit, but I think that in The Dark Knight Returns for instance, Batman doing immoral shit is shown a lot clearer where as here it's not as clear if you're supposed to be disturbed or not.
>>71886625
he is portrayed as villainous in his ideals and motivations, he's not really committing incredibly heinous acts since everything he does is justifiable in some way.
Alfred is kind of meant to be the viewer watching "classic" batman's slow descent into anti-hero territory (obviously starting off halfway through)
>>71886625
>That's not how a lot of ppl interpret it.
Then they're silly motherfucking bitches, friendo. "Criminals are likes weeeeeeds, Alfred. 20 years in Gotham yadda yadda my parents (and my ward) died in a gutter for no reason at all" It is even in the trailers!
>>71877305
>there isn't A SINGLE GOOD ACTION SEQUENCE in Marvel movies.
Really?
Not even
https://youtu.be/Ht5APXTFgOE?t=16s
?
Something I still don't understand.
Why was Lex in the movie at all? What the fuck is he trying to do?
The obvious answer is "Getting Superman and Batman to fight", and there's two problems with that: There's literally zero reason for him to do any of this, at least, none that's adequately communicated to the audience, and two, Superman and Batman were clearly going to fight ANYWAY. You could have excised Lex from the movie entirely and you'd remove a good hour and a half of the movie's runtime, but literally nothing of any thematic value.
>>71887872
I was waiting the whole scene for something amazing to happen, it didn't. I am glad now that i didn't even pirate that movie, thanks anon.
>>71887732
>and my ward
Robin died because of Bruce. I know what you were saying, but that's way worse than what happened to his parents. It's directly his fault, not to mention more horrifying and painful.
>>71888187
You realize you have to be over 18 to post on this board, right?
>>71888062
>>71888062
"The bittersweet pain among men is having knowledge with no power". The closest to having all the power he has got is being rich, but now there are beings more powerful than him. He just wants to have the control over the world as being very rich grants you.
>>71888378
You realise you have to be under 18 to watch marvel movies, right?
>>71883822
>>71883863
>using quips irl
mahvelfags everyone
>>71877305
>one hour into a movie
>stops to make a thread about it
Really?
>>71889201
>Any line that is remotely clever is a quip
No wonder you like BvS; it's completely devoid of those.
>>71889652
>remotely clever
don't flatter yourself fag
>>71889770
Nice asshurt.
>>71880396
Yeah I liked the way the metrum like a composer tempo beats scene note composer reversed flat like a composer.
That's how you sound. I love that the most arrogant people are more often than not the most stupid.
>>71881615
marvel movie
>ohmigod gr8 action, 10/10 quipz, fun for the whole family gr8 relaxing experience, it's just fun and it's great xD
DC movie
>ffs so pretentious, babby's first religious imagery, babby's first philosophical quandry, babby's first (...), so full of itselves jesus christ it's just a capeshit hurr durr marvel >>>>>>>>>>>> dc
What did he mean by this?
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