Was he sympathetic character or just a cunt?
>>71783667
sympathetic
He was a cunt. He had a huge ego and believed he was somehow ordained by God and couldn't handle the idea that someone was just naturally better than him.
Both.
>>71784006
This.
I pitied him, I hated his arrogance at times, and I appreciated his honesty at times. Above all, I could understand his frustration. Great character,
A sympathetic cunt. His jealousy robbed him of the ability to appreciate or enjoy his own (albeit modest) success, but we've all been in a situation where, to some degree or another, some punk faggot just jumps in and steals the attention from us.
>Play CIA
>>71784165
>FOR YOU
>>71784199
>Go on, mock me, crash my plane!... That was not Bane crashing my plane, it was Nolan! That was Nolan crashing my plane through that obscene mask... Go on big guy, crash, crash!
He did nothing wrong
>>71784100
>Great character,
3 better characters
>>71784165
>>71784199
>>71784232
>when your meme's so dead you have to latch on to flavor of the month to stay relevant
>>71784734
>I don't know how baneposting works
>>71784887
Don't care, just stating fact.
>>71783838
Had some good taste though
>>71783667
>The Duchess
>>71784734
Show me the body.
>>71785011
but who was chair????????
>>71783667
a cunt. He knew Mozart was far beyond anyone and instead of enjoying and aiding that talent, he set out to destroy him so he could try and be the best.
>>71783667
The begining is the best part.
>How well are you trained in shitpost?
>I know a little. I shitposted in my youth.
>Where?
>Here on 4chan.
>Ah! Then you must know this
>"JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP"
>I can't say that I do. What is it?
>It was a very popular meme on its day. I made it.
>Here, how about this?
>"Now THIS is podracing"
>I made it.
>...
>This one brought down the board when we shitposted it...
>"What did he mean this?"
>Well?
>I regret it is not too familiar.
>Can you recall no meme of mine?
>I was the most famous shitposter in 4chan.
>I made 40 memes alone.
>Here! What about this one? "IF I PULL THAT OFF WOULD YOU DIE"-
>"IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY PAINFUL, YOU'RE A BIG GUY, FOR YOU!"
>Yes, I know that! That's charming!
>I'm sorry, I didn't know you shitposted that.
>I didn't. These were the baneposters...
>Bane Posters.
>The men you accuse yourself of cucking.
Why didn't he fuck her when he had the chance?
>>71785426
God was watching
>>71784908
Being a hothead should be a bannable offense.
>>71785426
because GOD
>>71785637
>>71785679
But he denounced God in literally the very next scene. Doesn't seem like he cared that much at that point.
>>71785773
He was just tsundere for God
>>71785426
He had already humiliated her, all he wanted to do is cuck Mozart, he wasn't attracted to her
>>71785887
>Be Salieri
>Humiliate Mozart's wife
>Mozart himself never actually finds out about it
>Goes on as if nothing ever happened
>S-sure showed him
>>71785426
he literally said that he was chaste
>>71785426
God she had some good titties
>>71784887
I am NOT reading that Big Guy
>>71783667
Both. He hated Mozart because he loved Mozarts music. This paradoxical conflict led to him becoming obsessed with Mozart, behaving irrationally (staking, spying, scheming) and eventually losing his mind. His hubris and jealousy was Mozarts demise and his own.
Although he had studied extremely hard and dedicated his life to music, he himself was not the greatest musician to ever live. He had the theory down pat but no true inspiration which seemed to come effortlessly to Mozart.
Had he been less spiteful he could have given up on his own music and become Mozart's manager, helping him to further heights of genius.
In the end, his ego and pride meant more to him than the art he supposedly dedicated his life to. If he couldn't create genius, then he would destroy someone who could.
On the screen it looked nothing. The beginning was simple, almost comic. Just a man.. Standing before a plane, holding his belt with his hands. And then suddenly, like the voice of an angel, BANE?! a single word, hanging there, unwavering.
>>71783667
>you will never eat venus nipples
I pitied him slightly at first but don't feel any sympathy.
I've actually always been the most talented one in the room, musically and visually, and people like this have always been insufferable. I accept other people are better at other things... you have to just accept what you are and appreciate what others contribute.
>>71788812
>
Had he been less spiteful he could have given up on his own music and become Mozart's manager, helping him to further heights of genius.
This. If he truly loved the music, he should have supported it.
>>71791275
Derp, that first line was meant to be greentext
this movie sucked dicks desu, especially directors cut
lame ass movie
dumb as hell
not good
>>71788530
Hah. Yeah.
>>71784887
Or three years will cure it. Baneposting doesn't happen on better websites.
>>71785962
Sometimes when you do things right
No one will have any idea you've done anything at all.
>>71791205
Fuck off normie, no, it's Not right and they have every right to be mad.
Fuck you if you didn't side with Salieri.
Mozart was the cunt. The selfish cunt who was full of himself. The only time I felt bad for him was when he was on his death bed.
>>71791577
What's 'Not right'? Some people having more talent than others? Get over it, you fucking child.
>>71791577
Do you cry that animals get eaten as well?
>>71791691
>not siding with the artist
>siding with resentful nothings who can't accept the course of destiny
>>71791577
>What's 'Not right'? Some people having more talent than others? Get over it, you fucking child.
No I won't get over it, it's not right at all, the game is rigged.
>you fucking child
So I should be ok with everything that happens just because it happens?
Fuck off
>Do you cry that animals get eaten as well?
Huh? What does that have to do with anything?
>>71791856
>siding with resentful nothings who can't accept the course of destiny
You mean siding with the Titans (see Alfieri)?
Siding with those who fight against all odds?
Those who oppose destiny?
Yes I do and I'll always will.
>>71792345
>it's not right at all, the game is rigged.
How is some people being naturally talented 'rigged'? By nature?
GET OVER IT. You're like some whiny, spoiled child demanding that EVERYONE gets equal praise regardless of merit.
>>71792417
>GET OVER IT. You're like some whiny, spoiled child demanding that EVERYONE gets equal praise regardless of merit.
NO, I am someone who wants EQUALITY, JUSTICE, everyone should be the same if they work the SAME amount of time putting he SAME effort you retarded spoiled FUCK
You're the ONE spoiled by GENETICS, and with the development of genetical engineering in the next centuries you special SNOWFLAKES will be demolished, EVERYONE will be the SAME, deal with it, you fucking egoistic MANCHILD
> Anonymous 07/09/16(Sat)10:22:25 No.71792417â–¶
>>71792345 (You)
>it's not right at all, the game is rigged.
How is some people being naturally talented 'rigged'? By nature?
YES by NATURE, man always changed and demolished "NATURE", nature is not just, MAN is the one who will RULE nature in all of its aspects, DEAL with it, and yes, I side with Salieri, NOW and always, against that SPOILED fuck Mozart, spoiled by his GENES, uneducated arrogant LUCKY, yes LUCKY faggot, I praise WORK, PASSION, not LUCK.
Cheers.
>>71792358
As if the geniuses/gifted don't struggle with their work. It doesn't come easy for them either, but it comes out better.
The jealous usually don't even try much, and more importantly don't learn to find where their true potential lies. They're usually just whiners sitting on the sidelines. Their resistance against the way it is is meaningless, not some heroic struggle; whining and being butthurt about nature is pathetic. Those who actually create are the heroes.
>>71792481
You are a fucking stain. I'm sure you are your own punishment. Have a nice day.
>>71792543
Nice meaningless insult, fuck off retard.
>>71792507
>As if the geniuses/gifted don't struggle with their work
Not nearly as much as the non gifted.
>The jealous usually don't even try much
Salieri didn't try very much?
Fuck off.
>and more importantly don't learn to find where their true potential lies
This is not Digimon or Final Fantasy you retard, not everyone has a "true hidden potential".
>Their resistance against the way it is is meaningless, not some heroic struggle
False, the situation will soon change with the advent of genetic engineering.
>Those who actually create are the heroes.
Heroes because of their luck?
Oh please, those who make it against all odds are and always will be the most respectable one, not some lucky arrogant shithead like Mozart.
>>71792621
>>71783667
>He said you killed Moe Zart
>Moe who?
>Zart
>>71783667
i think hes a fucking peasant
He's literally me.He's literally all of us
>>71792481
i remember being 12
>>71792967
no. he is better because he is the patron saint of mediocrity.
>>71783667
>Popular Youtuber makes video on Amadeus a few days ago
>tenth thread already
Why won't you guys just admit that you get your opinions from youtubers?
>>71792824
>>71792970
Dance for the puppet master lmao
>>71792970
Because now you're mentally 13?
>>71783667
>been on /tv/ around 8 years been on 4chan for like 10 years.
>Never ever ever ever see a thread about Amadeus. Not even once. If someone ever did make a thread it'd die nearly instantly.
>All of a sudden popular youtube faggot makes video about Amadeus.
>Daily Amadeus thread.
You guys are fucking faggots you know that. Serious fucking plebs.
>>71793200
>popular youtube faggot makes video about Amadeus
who
>>71793038
"It's not FAAAIIIRR! Moooommy! Say I win toooo! Mooooooommmmyyyyyy!!!"
>>71793310
Yeah it is not, and if the kid has put an effort in it, he has every right to complain.
>>71793331
That's not how life works. Whining about nature changes nothing.
You man up, and you do what you are able to do in your own capacity and accept that not everything always has to be perfectly equal across all areas.
I'm not crying that I'm not bad at math or writing or whatever. I don't care.
>>71793374
derp. that I'm not good at math, or the best writer, etc.
>>71793374
>You man up,
Kys
>and you do what you are able to do in your own capacity and accept that not everything always has to be perfectly equal across all areas.
You can accept it but recognize it's not a just thing
>I'm not crying that I'm not bad at math or writing or whatever.
You should be able to recognize it is not just
Plus Let's address this fucking movie.
Mozart was a spoiled raicist, yes, RACIST, little fuck looking down on everyone and on every fucking ITALIAN, he's a racist psychopath fuck, nto recognizing the great input Italians put into the history of music, he was an arrogant little shit and deserved every bit of what happened to him.
>>71793200
it went on netflix recently.
>>71793454
Oooh, so you're just trolling.
You were doing a pretty good impression of someone who hasn't developed past the attitude of a resentful 15 year old.
Still, I get the feeling you probably kind of hold this view, so, "haha @ u"
>>71788821
too many masks
>>71784734
baneposting is like salt on food
you just sprinkle some on top and it livens it up
>>71793497
Trolling?
I think Mozart was an arrogant asshole and while Salieri should have avoided all that, I still can understand his frustration after a life time of sacrifice.
>Find what you love and let it kill you
How'd that work out for Wolfy?
>>71793525
No, you're trolling. Obviously his comments about Italians were that of a young artist reacting to a previous, dominant style. Even a talentless type like you should have picked that up.
Dude. You're talentless at creative shit. It's okay. You probably are okay at something.
>>71793577
>Even a talentless type like you should have picked that up.
You see, you are a biased fuck.
>you're talentless at creative shit.
Never tried, I'm talking about me but the movie, you fuck, but I am mature enough to recognize that the world is not just
>>71793607
I only will rub it in the face of people who unjustly hate people for their talent. It's not like they chose to be talented.
>>71793673
>I only will rub it in the face of people who unjustly hate people for their talent.
Hate?
No.
Salieri didn't hate Mozart, Salieri hated God, re-watch the movie.
>>71783667
what movie?
>>71785813
kek
>>71793712
Amadeus
it's great
>>71793607
>You see, you are a biased fuck.
I accept that some have talent in some things. I accept some others have the gift of being ordinary, which has its many advantages as well.
It's not for you to question or judge why some get to do what they do. Who the fuck are you to feel that it's unfair?
>>71793835
I'll have to watch it
>>71793864
>I accept some others have the gift of being ordinary,
That's not a gift
>Who the fuck are you to feel that it's unfair?
A human that can recognize fairness and unfairness, if people start with different capabilities then life is unfair
>>71784165
>>71784199
>>71784232
Hearty kek
>>71792621
>Oh please, those who make it against all odds are and always will be the most respectable one, not some lucky arrogant shithead like Mozart.
Have to respond to this.
No, it's the ones who actually make great art who are respecxted. Not the little mediocre steam engine who couldn't. Noone remembers them. No matter how hard they try to make it - against the odds - they still DON'T make it. Because they don't have the fucking ability. If they did they'd succeed and wouldn't be whining.
My question is, why should they care... or even keep trying if it's beyond their potential? If they don't have the ability, then it's then just about jealousy and wanting to be able to do it too, because if they could actually feel it, actually conceive it, they'd be able to produce it.
I assure you that people without the ability don't even know how to think about art in the right way, it's partly a spiritual failing, for a lack of a better phrase. The great artists don't just have the necessary technical gifts - a lot of uninspired mediocrities have even those - it's how they think and feel in a better way.
>>71794187
Appeal to popularity, and easily disprovable.
Van Gogh was never appreciated during his lifetime, but is now considered one of the greatest painters of all time, if not THE greatest. Many artists are simply not appreciated during their lifetime, and modern day capitalism is no standard by which to judge whether someone is good. Literally every popstar out there is a subpar musician and lyricist, but they make money. That is more due to having the oligarchal powers backing them than by their own talent.
>>71794187
*continued
...and if you think just genetic engineering is going to dispense such rare gifts more equally, you're in for a big disappointment, bitch.
>>71794187
>, why should they care... or even keep trying if it's beyond their potential?
Because like Salieri, they have passion for it and dedicated their whole lives to it but still failed
>>71794240
I'm saying the ones who actually make great art are those with the gifts. Always.
They don't have to have Damien Hirst-level success in their time, obviously.
>>71783667
Too many notes
>>71785426
16 year old titties
>>71794265
Being good at art is not necessarily a gift. Mozart is an exception compared to the regular great master.
What makes great masters great is that they have a disposition towards their art. They want to do that shit all day every day, unlike most people who want peace and quiet, food and drink, and nothing more. It's 5% disposition, and 95% hard work. Why?
Mozart was 4 and picked up his instrument easily, that's certain. Most other people play their instrument for thousands of hours before achieving their master level, graduating by writing their magnum opus. Gitting gud is hard, hard work. There is no way around it, and Mozart's are 1 in a million kind of people.
This "gift" meme needs to stop.
>>71785426
He was gay for Mozart
![1419038262928[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/Vrckka0.png "1419038262928[1].png")
>Astounding! It was actually, it was beyond belief. But it showed no retakes of any kind. Not one. He had simply directed a scene already finished in his head! Shot after shot of it as if he were just taking dictation. And a scene, finished as no scene is ever finished. Displace one meme and there would be diminishment. Displace one phrase and the structure would fall.
>>71794345
Like you would fucking know.
I know tons of successful artists. They have the disposition, sure, but they certainly also have innate abilities most people don't have.
The whole 'there's no such thing as gifts' meme is a bullshit lie resentful academics and activists, of a certain bent, who probably grew up hating the talented kid, conceived, because, like you, they feel that the notion is politically 'unfair'. They probably spent a lot of time studying and didn't get why some people had a better grasp of certain things more easily.
But in the crowd I'm in, they're ridiculously good naturally - and then put in harder work than anyone else. They're the hardest workers I've ever known.
But all the hard work in the world couldn't make a difference for those with mediocre ability (ability, again, being more than just technical gifts, but more sensitivity/intuition/inspiration).
Which is what you've been arguing is so unfair all this time. If the Salieris could match the Mozarts with simply more effort, bitches like you wouldn't be so raging mad.
>>71794622
topkek, you're even more pathetic than Salieri
Your claim to "fame" is that you know people and this thread is your big spotlight
>>71794740
No, I was referring to the fact of an experience with a very large sample of artists, not just myself or even just a few others.
Stay mad.
>>71794848
So you deny it and then after a comma agree with me again?
>tfw I liked the film but hated all those musical scenes
>>71794871
You should be able to read english well enough. The point being that I have a large sample of experiences, not even just a few.
But anyways, how have you not slitted your wrists by now? Don't you think it's getting that time?
Or go pop a few too many pills. Whatever. Get to it. Reality is obviously too much for you. It's driven you to obsessiveness.
>>71795011
looks like I hit a nerve :^)
>>71784887
I'm sure other people who've been on this site for a long time can back me up.
Baneposting is a very resilient meme.
dubs and >implying are the only other 2 that trump it.
That and calling people -fag
>>71785011
I also want to comment on those thighs
>>71795064
Nah, I just have real contempt for people like you :)
But again, your life is its own punishment, and it's your own fault even.
HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO ME
>>71783667
He's like the everyday man in a way. He has his grudges but you can understand why he has them.
Although Salieri was nothing like this in real life. He never hated Mozart from my understanding and actually helped him while Mozart returned the favor despite their "rivalry" in the business.
>>71795485
>Although Salieri was nothing like this in real life.
we know
>tfw film is the highest form of art and nobody can dispute it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCnOx4lmnbg
Anyone else suprised how grim Mozart's death was
>>71785206
KEK
>>71792345
Good post Salieri
Sympathetic in that pathetic sort of way. Initially I was for him, but after he blackmailed Mozart's wife AND rejected those sweetass tittays when she gave them to him, It was only pity that kept me from hoping he doesn't get completely destroyed (which he did, the poor bastard)
>>71785426
She threw Mozart's original works on the floor, are you people for fucking real? this is obvious as fuck
>>71794240
That's the tragedy of genius. Simply being one doesn't guarantee success.
Van Gogh. Mozart. Even Orson Welles, all had extremely fraught careers held back by the powers that be that couldn't understand or support what they were trying to do. It's only in retrospect that we realise how insanely talented they were.
Salieri was an all-or-nothing fool.
The moment he discovered the work of Mozart he became obsessed with him. Through the course of the movie do we see him pour any time into his craft? Hardly. He gives up because there is someone better.
Could it be any clearer that for all his prostrations about how much he loved music, he was only ever did it for the fame and prestige? He can't be the very, very, best so fuck music altogether.
Salieri was no artist. The character that is, I don't know about the man himself.
And before anyone says Mozart didn't deserve it, they mention that his father trained him day and night form boyhood and spent hours each day working. Just because he didn't have a stick up his ass like Salieri means he didn't deserve his talent? Fuck off.
>>71792345
>rigged
Only if you believe in God.
In which case talents are "gifts" that are given or withheld by God.
Theory: If Salieri were a non-believer, he could have accepted his mediocrity and praised Mozart as a genius instead of being convinced that God was mocking him through Mozart.
Conclusion: Religion ruins everything
>>71783667
Just saw the movie after the memes on tv.
All I have to say is: meme film, shit film.
It lasted 3, THREE, T-H-R-E-E FUCKING HOURS and for what?
Where the fuck was the final fight between Salieri and Mozart? or at least a fucking MUSIC DUEL? What the fucking hell, this rivalry was built up for so fucking lone and NOTHING happened, he died like a bitch, and it's not even explained why.
it's a shit movie and I wasted my time watching, I yawned a lot at that shitty operas, boring as hell,
>inb4 pretentious retards say I'm a pleb
No, that style of opera is gone, gone for good, and for a good reason it's boring and primitive, I hate operas, some classical musics I can stand, but the singing opera is just shit.
I fucking hated this overrated crap, there was no fucking character development, Salieri stayed salty, Mozart stayed crazy/arrogant, no, and I say ZERO character development in this turd of a "movie".
Trashed.
3/10, just for the nice cinematography and costumes.
>>71796266
<Vang Gogh
Lol Van cuck was shit and couldn't paint for shit, he's an overrated hack because of pretentious fucks who pretend to "understand" (there's nothing to understand, he's bad as hell) his style.
>>71785426
>inb4 oh wow when did carey mulligan grow those tits
Also, does Salieri count as an unreliable narrator?
>>71783667
muh mascarpone the character
>>71796377
nice fanfiction, rewatch the movie
I don't even have the energy to point out how wrong you are
