>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Adolf Hitler
Sad your thread from this morning didn't last?
>>71674675
what for? adolf was just your average, charismatic yet completely replaceable politician.
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Adolf Hitler
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Pol Pot
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Carl Barks
Let them fight it out
>>71674823
Carl Barks kek
>>71674756
>believing this
>>71674675
>Computer create one million US Marines with equipment and training from the turn of the 21st century
>And the Earth's Sun
Finally the answer to the age old question
>>71676247
Really makes you think.
>>71674823
>>71676196
Doggos would probably handle socialism a lot better
>>71674675
>Computer, deactivate safety protocols then create a photon torpedo with a 5 second count down till detonation.
What would happen next?
>>71674675
Belay that order computer, show me 100 naked Diana's crammed into a gas chamber.
>computer, create a filler episode
>>71674675
>computer, create a computer with the same processing power as yours and program it to be able to improve it's performance, sentience, and processing speed, then give it access to a power supply 892 x 10^77 more powerful than yours (you can do this because although you cant use a holographic power source to power things in the real world you can create whatever one you like with whatever specs you like to power things in the holodeck) now have the holographic computer improve its performance using that power source, then after its a a hundred billion times as powerful as you give it access to engineering and have it use the machinery there to build itself in the real world, now have it solve every single problem that exists in the universe in one day along with giving us immortality and the powers of god
>>71676629
What did he mean by this?
>>71676629
You'd need Level 10 command codes for that.
The holodeck power grid is incapable of that.
You'd just be denied.
Cool idea though.
>>71676678
Another victory for the white race, essentially.
>>71674675
Computer, blunts and white bitches.
>>71676629
Does this already exist?
>>71676725
>The holodeck power grid is incapable of that
The holodeck power grid is capable of creating any holographic power source you can imagine, because it is not 'real'.
You could say
>computer create a copy of earth sun, now shrink it down to the size of a marble, now create a thousand copies of that and use it to full a perfectly absorbing dyson sphere the size of a medicine ball, now shrink that down to the size of a marble, now create eight thousand copies of that and use it as a power source, etc.
COMPUTER MAKE LESBIANS
>>71674675
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Donald Trump
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of Hillary Clinton
>computer, create a comfy chair and a bucket of buttered popcorn for me
Sit back and enjoy the show.
>>71676805
Yeah, you are inside it.
>>71674675
>create one million fully self-aware copies of Adolf Hitler
>this shows up
>>71676388
Allowing for even the option of safety protocol deactivation was a mistake.
>computer, create a perfect copy of the enterprise with perfect fully aware copies of every crew member including me and have me standing in the holodeck asking you to create a perfect copy of the enterprise with perfect fully aware copies of every crew member including me and have me standing in the holodeck asking you to create a perfect copy of the enterprise with perfect fully aware copies of every crew member including me and have me standing in the holodeck asking you to create a perfect copy of the enterprise with perfect fully aware copies of every crew member including me and have me standing in the holodeck asking you to create a perfect copy of the enterprise with perfect fully aware copies of every crew member including me and have me standing in the holodeck asking you to keep doing this forever
>>71676827
>>computer create a copy of earth sun, now shrink it down to the size of a marble, now create a thousand copies of that and use it to full a perfectly absorbing dyson sphere the size of a medicine ball, now shrink that down to the size of a marble, now create eight thousand copies of that and use it as a power source, etc.
You aren't thinking with a head, much less your own.
The holodeck still has to deal with physics.
Anything that could emulate the sun would have the gravitational pull of your average star and the entire ship would be destroyed.
But it'd have to have the power source to create that in the first place.
Unless your entire post is "lol I aint gotta explain shit, the holodeck is magick nigga ;)"
Which I'm beginning to suspect that it is.
>>71677021
>Inb4 called to the bridge to explain why the computer just exploded
>>71677062
But what about the safety protocols built into the holodeck to prevent such disasters?
>>71674675
>computer, create the universe
>>71677100
Well, I mentioned Level 10 command codes and he conveniently forgot to reply about that as well.
Don't worry, he's in magyck land now.
>>71676805
Yes, the Q race already did it and would prevent anyone else from doing so
>>71677133
Yeah, I was gonna say I remember Picard had to disable the safety systems verbally to kill the Borg with a holographic tommy gun in FC.
>>71676917
Didn't Picard deactivate those protocols to kill some Borg with holographic bullets. Would a holographic explosion with no safety protocols detonating inside the holodeck, cause damage outside of it?
>>71676827
Voyager explicitly states that the Holodeck's power supply is incompatible with the ship's actual main power.
Plus if those suns are actually perfect replications then the heat and gravity from them would completely destroy the holodeck, if not the ship.
And that's assuming the holodeck *can* do that.
>>71677196
Well, if holographic Moriarty could escape the holodeck, I'm sure a holographic explosion could do some damage with no safety systems active.
>>71677196
Were they holographic bullets (which are just a visual representation of the force applied through force field projectors along the walls) or was it a replicated, working Tommy Gun?
>>71677062
>Anything that could emulate the sun would have the gravitational pull of your average star and the entire ship would be destroyed.
You are the one who is not thinking sir. What happens on the holodeck is not real. You could create a sun no problem, and any holographic constructs inside the holodeck would be affected by it's gravity, but it's not going to affect anything OUTSIDE of the holodeck with it's gravity because its not real.
Similarly, it doesn't need to have the power to power whatever it creates. If you created a perfect copy of the enterprise warp core in the holodeck because you wanted to run some dangerous experiments it wouldnt require 100% of the real warp core to power it, it wouldnt require any of the warp cores power except the power being used to power the computer that runs the holodeck and that power input would not change, even if you created a dozen warp cores, its just a hologram. And if they all exploded it wouldnt blow up the ship. Because its just a hologram.
>Computer, generate a science lab with all the greatest scientific minds and set them to work on how to improve our current technology
>And set the timescale to 100x times faster than normal time
>>71674675
>computer, create the perfect waifu
>unable to load the specified metadata resource
>>71677101
>MAJEL RODDENBERRY: Unable to comply, ship's holodeck is incapable of recreating the parameters for the known universe.
>BARCLAY: O-oh t-that's okay computer. End life.
>>71677196
Yes. The Voyager episode with the ebin Nazis had part of the holodeck destroyed and everyone escaped to retake the ship.
>>71676850
It'd just devolve into a million man sweaty primal orgy. Once all the Trumps are spent, the Hillarys would sit on their faces and suffocate them.
Death by snu-snu.
>Computer, summon Alexander Hamilton and the Marquis de Lafayette for rap battles.
>>71677230
Yes, you can't use a holographic power supply to power the ship, because the power supply is not real. It's a hologram. If you could do this every single starship in the federation would just have a holodeck in engineering instead of a warp core.
But you can create whatever power source you can imagine IN the holodeck, and have it power whatever you like that you create IN the holodeck. You could just say create a copy of the sun but have it not generate any gravitational field. Etc. You set the rules in there because it isn't real.
The only reason these scenarios never played out is a) the writers were not that smart b) it renders the plot of 99% of all the episodes meaningless.
>>71676629
Feels good being master race
>>71677248
>>71677340
>Nazis conquer the Voyager
Nazis, not even in the 24th century. Not even once.
>>71674675
>Computer, open Disney folder.
>Program: 'Frozen; alpha zero one'.
>Begin.
>this whole thread
>>71676629
>>71676725
I don't think that the power grid is the problem here, if the computer in star trek work in the same way ours does, the holodeck couldn't create a computer if the same processing power as it has.
Processing Power = PP
Imagine that the holodeck computer works like a VM, than the max PP of anything created in the holodeck is equal to the holodeck's PP - the PP wasted in everything that isn't the the holographic computer, and that could be the ability to input commands in the holodeck(including recording, translating and processing), imaging system(but you could create a computer without visual image).
Would be more efficient if you programmed the computer to create a consciousness(like Moriarty), and to improve it's self(something like the exocomps), than replicate the new model.
It's is a promising proposal, if you remove the holodeck of the equation.
>>71676543
underrated
>computer, find me a job
>>71677255
>What happens on the holodeck is not real.
You're actually going to try and keep doing this..
Okay, the SHOW is not real. The HOLODECK is not "real". But it is presented to us to be in compatibility with REAL PHYSICS.
Your specious analogy notwithstanding, your copies of the Sun, the Enterprise, etc.. aren't "copies" they are holographic recreations. Which is not what happens when things are replicated (a process that the holodeck does when creating the environments it's programmers ask for).
So your entire point is still-born because it's under the premise that physics don't exist inside the holodeck. Unless you want to use some episode where there was a writing mistake, the premise of the holodeck still stands.
The entire plotline that's stuck to about holodeck safeties being in place was also the writers way of saying "Hey look, this shit creates the closest thing to real recreations so our characters better be careful."
Also, I'd suggest you re-think your post since the power needed to re-create the sun doesn't exist on the Enterprise.
>its just a hologram. And if they all exploded it wouldnt blow up the ship. Because its just a hologram.
You need to go back and watch the entire series..
No wait, you just need to go back.
>>71677321
>override!
>>71676827
If you shrink the sun to less than 4 miles it would became a black hole.
>>71677395
No you cannot because The Laws of Thermodynamics explicitly make it clear that you cannot make energy out of thin air, it can be converted but it cannot be made or unmade. The suns would not produce any meaningful amount of power and why would they? It's just a simulation, not an actual sun. They can only produce as much as power as the holodeck is receiving.
You cannot flip physics the bird unless you're an actual fucking Wizard.
>>71677395
>But you can create whatever power source you can imagine IN the holodeck
Except that's false.
>>71677395
>But you can create whatever power source you can imagine IN the holodeck
What proof do you have for this? It's impossible for the holodeck to utilize greater computational power than the holodeck itself. The request would have been denied.
>>71677553
>>71677566
>holodecks and transporters follow the rules of physics
Go actually watch the show
>>71677553
He's on his way to being a wizard with pretend-posting status he's going for.
>>71677507
Kek
>>71677604
Did you accidentally reply to the wrong person?
I'm in agreement with that statement.
>>71677476
It's the singularity.
And there is no difference between creating a Moriarty and creating the computer in the original scenario and both would have the same results. The Moriarity is a computer simulation of an intelligence the same as the computer would be, just because it has a human form you think of it differently.
The reason the VM machine cant be more powerful that the computer running it is we are bound by diminishing returns in that scenario, with the holodeck you are free to create any system you like any power source you like any machinery you like better than what is running the computer running it etc.
>>71677653
I did
Computer, create a decent Linux distro
>>71677196
>>71677234
In voyager the ship was damaged because of a holographic explosion created inside the holodeck without the safety system.
>>71677682
>Linux
specify
>Computer! simulate Daisy Ridley's butthole while she's bent over and increase scale to 10000%
>go to holodeck
>create mass orgy program involving many members of the crew
>have hours of fun, jizzing many times
>time to leave, end program
>the spooge you released and was being suspended in the holographic characters' pussy/ass/mouth/stomach splatters to the floor.
>>71677604
So what you're saying is that it's impossible for the holodeck to do whatever because it couldn't exist in the first place. In which case this is >damage control
>>71677682
Done
>>71677507
Majel: Unable to comply.
https://youtu.be/FtCL4Zs0oCQ
>>71677707
Go interject yourself Stallman
>"computer, load program Emily Blunt CBT session 5 and disable all safety protocols."
>>71677667
Moriarty is meant to be an opponent that could defeat Data, not the closest computing power to the ship itself so the argument is already flawed.
Second, the holodeck still needs the power of the main computer which is the point I keep driving home to you and it gets glossed over.
It couldn't happen. The computer can not create Suns or Dyson Spheres or a million enterprises because it lacks the fundamental processing power to do so, the ability to create that within the confines of the hologrid, and, if it could, it would lack the power to withhold the gravitational forces of all of the above.
No matter what ad hoc idea you plan to copy+paste into your argument, these things can't be created out of thin air, they need a power source capable of it and the main computer on the Enterprise lacks that ability.
There is no further argument here that can not break that rule.
Unless you want to head back into the metaphysical with mention to Q or "in the show, though, this one little thing happens" or some other nonsense that would be giving up/damage control.
>>71677725
I think that there's a cleaning function on the holodeck that dematerialize anything that ins't alive, like the replicator do with the dirty dishes.
>>71677758
>kde
>not xfce
get out
>>71677928
Wouldn't semen count as alive?
>>71677450
>whilst
>>71677971
harmful bacteria is also alive...
>>71677531
You should think through what you are saying.
The holodeck you are imagining where it creates things that have identical affect on the physics of the real world outside the holodeck wouldn't be a holodeck, it woudlnt be a simulator at all, how could it be if it creates things that are indistinguishable from real things in the influence they have on the real world. It would simply be an incredibly large fabrication chamber.
In the holodeck you are imagining where the holo-sun destroys the ship you could simply use it to create real copies of the warp core for example and draw power from then. If a holo sun generates enough heat energy and gravity to destroy the ship then the engines would work too.
Your holodeck actually creates even more problems than it solves, from the viewpoint of how things are designed in starfleet since nearly everything would be done differently. Anyway, the point you are missing is the holodeck the way it was in the show creates holographic copies of things that have effects on real physics on the world outside the holodeck. The reason some people get confused about this is there were multiple writers across multiple franchises who had it work in different and contradictory ways.
TL;DR - what you are imagining is not a simulator, it's a forge
>>71677725
>That one episode from Voyager where there is a alternate dimension of people made out of light rather then matter.
I wonder if the photonic universes holodeck uses matter instead of light.
>>71678018
>Every time Diana Troy uses the holodeck she is unknowingly walking on a floor still filthy with all the cum male crewmembers have put inside of holographic simulations of her
>>71678083
Again, you cannot get more energy out than you put in. The power those simulated warp cores produce is holographic and/or simulated, you cannot use it as a power source outside of the holodeck itself as it will stop existing
>Computer, create one of those magic rifles that let you see and kill people through walls
>>71678018
>>71677971
Not after a few seconds.
And the the holodeck don't just compare with the database, it's capable of analyzing it and define what should or not dematerialize.
Like the tricoder, it don't tell you that every bacteria is a life form, it can discern based on pre-determined parameters .
>>71678083
>>71678083
>The reason some people get confused about this is there were multiple writers across multiple franchises who had it work in different and contradictory ways.
Finally a point I can agree with you on.
But you seem to be forgetting the ace in the hole here "safety protocols".
You are trying to tell me that when Picard picked up the Tommy Gun, until those protocols came off, it was just a "holo-simulation"?
Do the safety protocols create ACTUAL Tommy Guns then?
Would creating a Sun on the holodeck be creating a fake sun that appears as such, but if I turn the safety protocols off suddenly we collapse into a star?
They had to create real simulations like when Data fought the Borg and experienced anger. That's a simulation and, in your terminology, a "forge".
Data would've been killed by a Borg made of photons under the same physics in that situation if the protocols and power levels of the Borg were suffice to do so.
Where do YOU decide to believe that it can't create actual things as opposed to simulations of such?
If you say anything at all, including the Tommy Gun scenario, then your ENTIRE ARGUMENT falls to pieces..
well, other than the writers angle
Computer, access historical records, early 21st century and create Earth actress Bella Thorne. Approximate age 10. Use all available information to create a suitable personality. Edit the characters memories to make her see me as her father. Create setting, generic sterile surgical bay, 20 feet by 20 feet, fully stocked. Next to the supply cart create a pile of rope, 60 feet in length, also a roll of 21st century duct tape and a syringe containing a .5cc prepared heroin solution. Now create an Earth, South American adult green anaconda. Edit the anaconda to make it near starving. Turn holodeck safeties off and lock the door, authorization Riker, Zula, Alpha, Alpha, Zeta, Zero, Alpha, Zero, Zero, Zero.
>computer, create the inside of a black hole
>>71677914
>No matter what ad hoc idea you plan to copy+paste into your argument, these things can't be created out of thin air, they need a power source capable of it and the main computer on the Enterprise lacks that ability.
They created full complete copies of the enterprise multiple times that they walked around in and used systems on. If your argument was true why how would the real enterprise continue to function without devoting all of its power to running the simulation?
You are arguing multiple contradictory things at the same time;
>You couldn't create the sun because it would output so much energy that it would destroy the ship!
>You couldn't create an enterprise on the holodeck twice the size of the real enterprise because it would need twice as much power to run as the real enterprise is generating! The power has to come from somewhere!
These things can't both be true.
>"Computer, you know what to do."
>"Yes, Paul."
How does a hologram become smart enough to not be a hologram?
>>71678295
> authorization Riker
could have been a shit post
good job
>>71674675
dumb children
>computer scarjo face sitting sequence code alpha
>>71678181
>Again, you cannot get more energy out than you put in. The power those simulated warp cores produce is holographic and/or simulated, you cannot use it as a power source outside of the holodeck itself
So you can't create warp cores more powerful than the warp cores on the ship.
But you can create a simulation of the sun that destroys the ship.
>>71678358
Have you considered that the simulation of the enterprisex2 is the equivalent of a cardboard cutout and all the machinery/consoles are just "on".
Most videogames don't actually simulate how much ammo every enemy has because it would be too intensive and just treats them as having ammo unless otherwise stated.
>>71674675
they cant leave holo deck in tng series dumb kid only in Voyager.
>>71678429
I specifically said that you couldn't. I was arguing for your side that if the holodeck worked as you said it would, then that is what the effect it would have.
I said, and I quote;
>Plus if those suns are actually perfect replications then the heat and gravity from them would completely destroy the holodeck, if not the ship.
>And that's assuming the holodeck *can* do that.
>>71678429
>But you can create a simulation of the sun that destroys the ship.
Not that guy, but if you're going to start posting meme-images you might as well just give up.
You're implying he meant simulations of the sun when it's clear the Sun could be nothing other than a simulation but your original implication described as being an actual sun.
Who's not chewing what they're eating now?
>Computer, create a self aware copy of 12 year old Keiko
Is the VOY episode where they offer the vulkan-nigger a holowoman to stick his dick in the furthest they've gone in that direction?
>>71678358
>You couldn't create an enterprise on the holodeck twice the size of the real enterprise because it would need twice as much power to run as the real enterprise
No, it wouldn't though, on account of it is not real. It's got no engines, it's got no life support. It's just a big hologram. Holograms use substantially less power than starships.
anon didn't argue the first think so like idk where you got it from bro
But ultimately returning to the original question - if you ask the computer to make a better computer than itself, where do the flops come from? You can't just get more flops anon.
>>71678560
>>71678555
>>71678429
>>71678358
>>71677914
Is this what happens when a bunch of spergs loses track of what they're arguing against?
>>71678358
You didn't get that the holodeck "moves" space around?
I wasn't arguing contradictory things, this is explicated like 10 fold in episodes where Moriarty comes back and recreates Engineering.. When they move into "new" areas of the ship, it's the holodeck reallocating physical space on the grid.
Once again, I just don't think you know the original parameters for the holodeck as detailed to us by the very characters in the show.
>"Computer, based on all historical fact and actual evidence gathered, simulate the Jewish genocide"
>"Unable to comply"
What would 24th century Jews say about this?
>>71678684
>if you ask the computer to make a better computer than itself, where do the flops come from?
You're not arguing whether this is possible. You're arguing whether the show has showcased enough contradictions to suppose that this is possible within the show's fallacious logic.
>>71678668
God no. In TNG Barkley fucked every female cast member in his holo fantasy world. Also DS9. Holosuites. basically a digital brothel.
Anyone have that webm?
Are pedophiles permitted to use the holodeck for their nefarious purposes?
>>71678181
they probably have Wesley scrape it off every week and put in the replicators to be recycled
>>71678358
First, everything seen afar inside the holodeck is not in real size. Because the inside of the holodeck is finite.
You could create millions of the copies of the enterprise but only a smart part of the holo-enterprise that you currently are is projected in life-size, the rest is in forced perspective.
Second, the holodeck simulates not recreates, it always can oversight a few things, and in the holodeck every calculation is approximated and in some point you would need to truncate numbers like PI.
And for last the holodeck can't simulate precisely thing that wasn't enough data, it could extrapolate but it could do it wrong.
>Holodeck, create six million Jews and kill them all and completely incinerate their remains over a six year period using nothing but mid-20th century technology and Eastern European infrastructure while fighting a war on two fronts against superior forces
>ERROR! Does not compute!
>computer, simulate a hug
>>71678801
Slurs about my people at Starfleet Academy!
Here I am trying to be a cordial host, knowing how much a young officer's parents would appreciate a token of his love on the eve of a dangerous mission, and what do I get for my trouble? Scurrilous insults!
>>71674675
>computer, load up celery man, please
![Star Trek Voyager Season 06 Episode 10 - Pathfinder.avi_snapshot_18.47_[2015.01.13_22.17.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/g1hNfIO.jpg "Star Trek Voyager Season 06 Episode 10 - Pathfinder.avi_snapshot_18.47_[2015.01.13_22.17.30].jpg")
>>71678809
>Barkley fucked every female cast member in his holo fantasy world.
Did he? I remember it being more innocent than that.
>DS9. Holosuites. basically a digital brothel.
Yeah, that was very heavily implied.
>>71678854
Serial killers could us it to simulate murder. Don't ask don't tell I guess.
https://youtu.be/ho00EcanIvY
>>71679023
It's implied. He fucked Troi at the very least.
>computer, create everything, and simulate the effects of firing it
>>71679023
You just reminded me that one of the holo-novels is "Vulcan Love Slave"
"Computer...?"
>"Please state your request."
"..... Erase all existence."
>Computer, create an apple pie from scratch.
>>71679041
its likely only okay if its part of your culture.
mature evolved race humans go to reeducation colonys.
>Computer create someone who would be considered the ideal person from a romantic standpoint and love me unconditionally
>Unable to comply - The holodeck cannot create specified object.
There are half a dozen people arguing about multiple different interpretations of the holodeck.
To clear it up just imagine this; Barkley asks the holodeck to create a copy of San Francisco in 2002, and then asks it to create a black hole generator power station in the center of the city that he saw in his SMAC game because he wants to see how it will solve early 21st century power demands and infrastructure.
Okay now;
>Barkey asks the computer to remove the shielding around the black hole and let it suck everything in
then
>Barkley issues the command to disable safety protocols and gives the same command to remove the shielding
In the different versions of the holodeck you guys are describing one of three things would happen
>The simulated San Franciso and everyone in it gets sucked into the black hole, Barkley is left standing either staring at a singularity without being affected by it unlike the SanFran people, or he's left standing in an empty holodeck because the computer ended the program
>After the safety protocols are disabled the Enterprise ATTEMPTS to SIMULATE the effects that Barkley would feel if he was standing next to a REAL black hole, it does this by increasing the gravity in the holodeck to create this illusion using the power from the warp core. In a very small fraction of a second the gravity would increase to the point where it destroyed the holo-emitters inside the holodeck that were trying to create the effect thus stopping the attempt at creating this illusion, Barkley would be killed, the holodeck would be broken, the emitters would be destroyed, everyone outside would hear a loud bang but the enterprise would not be damaged
>The third version would create a real black hole that sucks in the entire enterprise and after the enterprise and the holodeck is gone there is a still a real black hole floating in space
Do they let you create clones of your female coworkers and fuck them?
>>71679506
The third is downright impossible
The first and second are valid, depending on who's writing the episode today.
>Computer load "Black Pharaohs" program Sisko.one
>>71677725
> Computer, beam all of my jizz from holodeck 2 into Councilor Troi's mouth then delete all record of that command
Then you smile at her the next time you see her in a hallway because you secretely know
>>71679506
See
>>71679635
I've been arguing for 1 and 2 the whole time, but fun-poster claims that it's magical and therefore it breaks laws of physics and other contradictions of logic.
>>71679642
That file has been accessed ZERO times by Lt.Cmdr. Geordi LaForge.
File has been renamed wewuz.hdek
You may enter.
>Computer create a holographic representation of yourself but as an organic human being
Time to build a waifu
>>71679635
>>71679672
Okay then. If the third is impossible then creating a sun inside the holodeck would not destroy the enterprise as has been argued half a dozen times in this thread already.
And it also means that if Picard fired his safety protocols disabled Tommygun at you and you were standing outside of the door of the holodeck looking in at him then nothing would happen to you because all the holodeck does is try and simulate what WOULD happen if the things is created WERE real. So the holographic bullet would go as far as the door and then disappear.
>>71679672
>I've been arguing for 1 and 2 the whole time, but fun-poster claims that it's magical and therefore it breaks laws of physics and other contradictions of logic.
All I've seen is load of autism until somebody rationally addressed that the simulated enterprises aren't 100% functional copies. If somebody makes a supposition, where's the fucking evidence to support it?
>>71679897
how do you explain all the holograms escaping the holodeck and running around before then
>>71679790
>holodeck malfunction
>safety protocols offline
Hello. I'm going to tie you up and love you. My way.
>>71677255
Nigga u dum
>computer create voyager but actually have it be both logical and entertaining.
>>71679908
>All I've seen is load of autism
No, all you've "seen" is a ton of words and posts but, by the posts you've made, a lack of "evidence" to support that it's all just autism.
Seriously, I'd been throwing shells of basic facts about the holodeck at this guy concerning the third option being an impossibility based on what was established as possible in the holodeck.
>>71679940
Ship in a bottle was a holographic enterprise.
The Killing Game had holoemitters installed all over the ship.
>>71676629
Impossible.
You'd have to have parts smaller than Planck length for computations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplace%27s_demon
>>71679963
If you turned the safeties off could you build a holographic bomb to destroy the ship? How would that work seeing as how the chemistry needed for that bomb is just photons
Will neo-Star Trek have "apps" and more portable devices to appeal to pleb kids?
The holodeck was a mistake
>this thread
NERRRRRRRDS
Computer create me a turkey sandwich, on rye bread, with lettuce and mustard.
>>71680058
The holo-emitters would just be blown out.
Energy has to go in to create something that would expand outward with such a force.
Been established, Enterprise computer lacks that power, BLAHBLAHBLAHABALDFFLHKSF
>>71677252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2AiXpN4W8
>>71680059
... GarmonBOZIA.
![420989_1271353141748_full[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2ui8WeN.jpg "420989_1271353141748_full[1].jpg")
>>71680086
indeed
>>71680086
Computer. Make anime real.
>>71680126
>Unable to comply, Desecrating the body of a Turkey is against the will of Brothara.
Fine, Neelix it is.
>>71680059
It will have a free to play mobile game where you fly the enterprise around and when you get damaged in battle you have to wait in real time while "engineering" fixes the damage but the good news is you can pay real money for Dilithium crystals to instantly repair tue damage and also you can pay real money to buy Latinum bars that you can spend on new weapons and shields :^)
This is the longest trek thread I have ever seen where no one has yet posted the 'sexual organs' meme
>>71679790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSUfX_GZsU4
>>71680393
>Computer, recreate the Commander genitals, based in previous uses of the holodeck.
>>71680127
It can make solid matter from photons like it is no biggie
I'm no nerd, but that sounds like it could blow some shit up
>>71677507
Not even the holodeck can do that
computer, create one black male goat infused with demonic powers
>>71680572
It can, my Voyager enjoying friend.
DO IT!
do you think if we ever have holograms this realistic we would end crime altogether? Who would even bother if your every wish could be fulfilled in a hologram?
But maybe people will completely forgo their real lives because the holo is so much better
>>71680829
> Barclay in a nutshell
>>71677021
>>71680829
I'm sure if I met you, I would think you're a pretty good guy.
![latest[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/eENPMp5.jpg "latest[1].jpg")
>computer, give me realistic android skin that isn't caked in shiny make-up
Would it be illegal to ask the holodeck to make underage girls to have sex with in the holodeck?
COMPUTE HER!
COMPUTE HER!
>>71681087
a society that advanced would understand how important a happy and satisfied crew is and therefore the need to eliminate any deviant scum quickly and painlessly
If you eat food on the holodeck, will you be able to taste it?
What happens in your stomach when you leave the holodeck and the food is replaces by empty space? Would that not hurt you?
>computer; remove UPN from the fucking universe.
>>71681188
>Unable to comply, UPN controls all holodeck privileges above command-level authorisation
>>71681187
it's all in your brain. The stomach was never full
>>71681268
>>71681275
if you lost your memories and got pregnant on the holodeck would you lie to your pathetic husband about it?
>>71681431
What is this post trying to tell me?
That it was Manny Coto who fucked up Enterprise?
>>71681446
Is getting pregnant by a holographic Nazi superior to getting pregnant by a real life Irishman?
>>71681483
I don't agree with the Manny Coto part; I just thought Enterprise was a good show. Manny Coto did fine and the show was great. I just feel UPN killed the show. It was meant to correspond with that. My apologizes anon.
Probably should have deleted that part with paint.
>>71681537
Oh, okay..
Yes, I do indeed concur, wholeheartedly with your opinion.
Manny Coto being hated on by Braga in interview's is a little bit of buyer's remorse in that I think he wanted Coto to fail but realized the fans liked the energy and direction he was taking the show.
UPN wanted boy bands, Borg, and all sorts of other shit that wouldn't have made sense in-universe so I would put much of the blame on their execs as I would B&B.
>>71677248
Nothing, it would do nothing.
>>71681598
I am glad I am not the only one that thinks Enterprise would have done a lot better if UPN did not fuck it up.
But, regardless of that, I think Enterprise is still my Favorite show with all its potential it had.
>Computer generate a completely self aware woman.
The woman appears "Oh my god I exist! I am real
>Rapes and tortures her to death
>5 Minutes later "Computer generate a completely self aware woman"
>>71682006
>Computer generate a completely self aware woman.
>MAJEL: Make it yourself!
How does the holodeck allow people to occupy so much space? On DS9 holodecks are only about as big as the picture shows, but then in the same damn episode, it shows the whole crew occupying a baseball diamond.
Clearly the holodeck has the ability to manipulate space in order to allow for such a thing, meaning that the processing power required is within its limits.
>>71674675
>a moment later
>1 million suicides
>>71682853
I mean in the same episode that they show the empty holodeck. The one pictured is clearly Kardassian.
>>71682853
>>71682986
Pretty much nothing but a novel use of force fields, artificial gravity, and light. They stay in the tiny room but everything is bent around them in ways to give it realism.
>>71676247
>computer add a solar eclipse
>>71682853
If you think about it for longer than a few seconds the whole idea collapses. It's basically pic related.
>>71682853
That's where the "magic" comes in.
Theoretically, the force fields are moving people around who are somehow incapable of feeling it and all within the confines of what looks like a 300-400 sq. ft. room.
Of all the shit discussed above, the most glaring that's taken for truth but clearly lacks the specifics to be taken seriously is how it manipulates the space within the holodeck to make things and even participants move so naturally across such a tiny space.
For the holograms, it makes sense.. you use perspective. But wouldn't this also mean the computer would need access to at least your parietal lobe where spatial orientation is process in the brain.
It would also mean that there would have to be some limitation to where you could go and how far in the holodeck depending on the number of people.
At some point, you reach a "Truman Show" wall that has some sort of control panel in it like on Voyager episodes.
>>71677248
>Program already in progress
>Wake up, Neo...
what did the computer mean by this?
>>71677476
Correct. The only way to circumvent this is to have the VM computer start processing itself and just feed it enough power to do so. This should make a stable holocomputer. I think the Voyager series spawned something sort of like that using the doctor near the end.
>Computer..
>Answer the non-contextually restricted question "Why?"
>*malfunction occurs*
>*pic related is shown*
>>71677252
It doesn't matter, this movie is really really shitty.
Why did Picard hate the borg in this movie after he'd totally resolved his conflict with the borg earlier on? Why did he act in this movie like Starfleet don't let him work on the borg, when they always ask him to work on the borg?
> computer, is it raining?
computer remove safety proceedures
computer detonate 1000 nuclear bombs
>>71677248
there is already an episode with this.
>>71683247
how big are bombs?
where do you want them to detonate?
what is your authorization?
do you want them to all go off at the same time?
should they originate from the same location?
command errorSomething happened :(
>>71683153
>computer
>hello, paul
>if matter is energy and vice versa then how is it I'm capable of burning this piece of paper but this piece of paper can't be created from raw energy?
>paul, the problem is solvable through 4D time, if you take..
>fuck it, show me Tain
>>71676388
The explosion would simulate the heat and force of a torpedo detonating WITHIN the confines of the holodeck.
It would kill anyone in there but the rooms adjacent would be shielded.
No holo program can influence matter outside of the room unless you have a voyager like set up
>>71676629
This is the exact method that people used in Minecraft to create more powerful computers than are currently possible with today's technology.
>>71677252
>Borgs have personal energy shields to stop matter and energy
>Doesn't stop tiny lead bullets
Fucking bullshit. If Picard knew that would work, why the fuck ain't firearms standard issue by now?
>>71684210
What can those minecraft computers actually do anyway? Click on and off in increasing amounts?
>>71677682
KDE Neon 5.7 was released this morning.
>>71677963
Xfce is dead.
It's been over a year and the "development phase" for the next version hasn't even begun.
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/4.14/roadmap
>>71684180
You would still have some pretty serious damage from air pressure change / shockwave, but it would only fucked up the next room over and MAYBE the once after that, but it would lose force very fast at the actual explosive force stopped at the edge of the holographic emitters... well, it would also destroy the emitters, but the force wouldn't travel past the room
>>71684210
>t. ignorant retard with no knowledge of computer science
>>71684344
People have created basic calculators that have all four standard functions, word processors, and other abominations of some scale. They are very basic processors, but they are actually literally processors, which makes them cool and why they pop up from time to time.
They actually replicate modern processors by working within the games physics. They are incredibly complex, macro sized versions of what you would find in a Texas Instruments calculator, but it is literally, actually performing calculations.
>>71684422
>being this oblivious to sarcastic shitposting
>>71684372
I assume Starfleet has some rules on what can happen in the holodeck. We never see anyone do anything illegal in there, the only time things go wrong is by mistake. The worst stuff we ever hear about thats allowed is riding a rollercoaster with no safety or adult entertainment on DSN.
>>71680148
delete this
>>71682853
The floor is a treadmill. You might feel like you're walking 50 feet away from Player 2 but you're still only 5 feet away from Player 2.
Then the holodeck throws up some forcefields and photon projections, so Player 2 looks like they're 50 feet away from you. And if Player 2 makes any noises, then the holodeck distorts the sound so it sounds like Player 2 is 50 feet away from you.
But it's all an illusion and Player 2 is standing right next to you.
>>71684587
The safety protocols are those rules. When you disable them, they allow someone to be killed by a holographic bullet or animal, despite the computer knowing 100% that bullet -> head = ded.
The safety protocols being disables likely also allow for the holodeck to be damaged itself. Since it wouldn't be possible to fuck up the shit in any appreciable way with the exception of maybe blowing up the adjacent rooms, there isn't a whole bunch of risk to it. It usually still required senior officer or some sort of *big cheese* authorization to turn them off, so no ensign is going to get killed by a holographic Tiger
>>71683045
I remember the original TNG Holodeck had solid walls that were pointed out really early in the series, and that after one of the holodeck updates "trapped in the holodeck" episodes started happening more frequently.
>>71684537
Can you quite literally, meaning quite actually make a salient post (as in palpably; tangibly) that is without such redundant excess on such a literal level?
ty
>computer, create one million fully self-aware copies of a bound and gag Tasha Yar
>>71685018
no I can not
thanks for your contribution
>>71683765
Underrated
>>71684266
That goes back to the quandary of whether or not the gun he used was real or not.
Since he turned off the safety protocols, it's possible that instead of a holographic Tommy gun, the computer replicated a functioning firearm to comply with the command. Since it was on the Captain's authority, it may be impossible for the computer to override it, despite the implications of a crewmember asking for a weapon. The Borg may have been duped to thinking it was just a hologram and not adjusted accordingly.
On the other hand, if it was just a hologram, it would be interesting to consider the implications. Picard clearly knows about firearms, and their capability to cause trauma and death. Since he was assimilated, it's logical to assume that the entire collective knows this as well. The Borg may not have had time to adjust, and thus, even though the gun wasn't real, the drones' bodies reacted to being shot even though they actually weren't, like a human placebo effect. Which brings up how much of the 'host' the Borg can subsume.
t. Don't even like Trek lmao
![tumblr_o64gw2wH5b1u7k4who4_1280[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hd2xLDU.jpg "tumblr_o64gw2wH5b1u7k4who4_1280[1].jpg")
>>71676312
No, fuck off. Doggos are the Freedom loving man's pets
>>71685557
The other, more plausible theory, is that borg personal shielding does not kick in until they have a confirmed threat and what it is.
Borg are very calculating and don't care about the loss of an individual drone if it results in the collective growth of, erm, the collective.
If you notice, every time thye engage the borg with phasers they are able to take out a few of them before the borg "adapt" and shield those frequencies from harming them. By changing your phasers frequency, you can then shoot past Borg shielding again. This is in contrast to every other shielding tech, which blocks everything, but can be calibrated to be more effective against one type of threat / frequency / phenomena while making them more exposed to all other shit that could fuck their day up.
In short, the Borg are willing to let a few drones die if it means not having to supply every drone with the power requirements to have constant, stop everything shielding running at all time. It's not very efficient to do it that way, and the math to them probably is okay with losing a handful of drones.
Borg probably don't face kinetic threats all that often, and humans have shown to use phasers in every encounter. Picard shows up using a tommy gat shooting shaped force shields that would cause identical traumau to a .45 acp. Had more infiltrated the holodeck, the information would have probably got to the other drones and they would have adapted to shield against the holographic threats, which would include everything from a holographic lead pipe to holographic bullets.
>>71685869
Also 100% plausible and I realized that I'd left that out.
Hate it when people are like 'dude muh adaption has no limits lmao'
/k/ommando mall ninjas would have a pretty good chance against a Borg incursion tbqh, depending on how autistic the Borg are with regards to adjusting their shields.
>would switching between 9mm and 7.62 make a substantial enough difference in calibration to retain effectiveness, or could the Borg adapt their shields to compensate for all calibers of ballistic trauma simultaneously?
>>71677695
>Citing Voyager for normal Holodeck performance
>>71685869
This is actually the most reasonable / probably of all explanations for that scenario.
Same goes for this scenario, pic related.
PLEASE DEBATE IT GUYS / GALS / XENO
How does the holodeck make sex feel real?
>>71686279
t. Spacebattles
"Computer, load 50 vulcan females in the middle of Pon Farr."
>>71686292
Photons are under the same rules of thermodynamics as everything else in the universe.
Let's ask Neel DaGrass Mike Tyson.
>>71686292
A large part of arousal comes from visual and audio cues, as well as tactile sensation. Since the Holodeck has been demonstrated to be able to create believable vintage clothing and human skin, it's not a leap to assume that the forcefields would able to replicate the feel of atotes5dank hella gnar vag, or sicknasty perky tits
>>71686244
argumentum ad voyager has proven a losing battle even in the Treknoverse
Some VOYeur eps. actually enhanced previously agreed upon L0re and therefore you need to go back to whervever you came from
Bravo 6 out
>>71679283
Even in-universe they can't get away from every hack smut writer using the Pon Farr as a substitute for plausibility.
>>71681146
>>71684587
>We never see anyone do anything illegal in there
Illegal by, what, Earth standards, 2016?
In space, no one can hear you privately contract a holographic depiction of a passing female using covert ops.
>>71684856
>When you disable them, they allow someone to be killed by a holographic bullet or animal
I find it quite telling that you used "bullet" and "animal".
Why "animal"? Why not "alien" or "bad guy" or anything else?
When are animals the usual fare on the holodeck..?
Unless you are implying sexual stuff.
>>71674715
sad you'll never have a thread this popular, even if it is a repost, you stinking pakled loser?
>>71685143
>computer, create on million rape gangs
>>71683177
>Why did Picard hate the borg in this movie after he'd totally resolved his conflict with the borg earlier on?
I don't think you quite get over the total dissolution of free will of the self, being used as the main weapon of destruction of your race, being essentially "mind-raped", then going back to being human with full clarity of memory of all previous events.
I don't even think 24th century technology can cure that short of deleting the neural pathways associated with those memories.
>watching first season of TNG
>Wes falls in the river
>all wet
>later they turn off the simulation
>Wes continues wet
How does that work?What
>>71686885
It works by not thinking about it
>>71677283
>mfw they already did that episode but with Barclay as the summation of all those minds and even homaged it by having him talk with Einstein, albeit at only 1.5x speed (using VLC scaling)
>>71678167
My favorite part of that episode is the guy who plays the main photonic lifeform has the coolest sounding last name I've ever heard.
Krestalude
>>71674675
Are you trying to simulate /pol/?
>>71678167
>>71687017
>Computer, delete captain proton
>>71687033
>/pol/
>self-aware
>>71684783
>thinly veiled but meant to look obvious Player 2 thread
>>71686885
Classic holodeck
>>71686885
It may have also happened in the first TNG film when worf fell into the ocean.
>>71676629
>>71676827
That's not how the holodeck works.
If you tell it to create an all powerful power source it will create a box that LOOKS and ACTS like one, but isn't actually one. Everything inside the holo deck is an empty shell with texturing and behavioral simulation. If you ask it to create a computer, it's not actually making a computer, the calculating part is still being done by the ship computer.
What you are asking it to do is impossible.
>>71687017
>He doesn't even von Kleist
>He doesn't even von der Tann
>He doesn't even Guderian
>He doesn't even Dönitz
>He doesn't even Engelbrecht
>computer, load up Tuvix_torture-simulator_644.hol
>>71674715
>>71686812
This. As someone who's created many successful threads, I laugh at those that don't attempt to make their own threads successful.
>>71687152
>>71687074
>implying reddit-tier implications
>>71678242
>Do the safety protocols create ACTUAL Tommy Guns then?
No, where are you picknig this up from
The holodeck is literally just hard light constructs, that is, photons and force fields. It's a photonic tommy gun shooting photonic bullets that if the safety protocols are enabled are despawned or otherwise rendered harmless if you aim at a real living thing and if the safety protocols are disabled, they punch a hole in you, but that doesn't change their composition, they're still moving forcefield bullets.
>>71687293
Is there an established scientific explanation behind what exactly those "force fields" are?
The amount of accuracy that would be needed on certain episodes I can even begin to quantify..
Emphasis on QUANT
>>71686559
Emotionless knife-ear detected. My Vulcan holoerotica is great and well written.
>>71687357
Prove it.
