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He has no motivation other than the fact that his name is Lex Luthor and he's SUPPOSED to hate Superman seeing as this is a DC comics superhero film.
This movie has no storytelling, it just jumps from nonsensical subplot to nonsensical subplot. Lex doesn't even interact with Superman until the very end of the movie. Garbage. No tension or rivalry s built up. Lex just goes on creepy tirades about Greek paintings and father issues or whatever the fuck. He comes off as a manic unhinged pervert instead of the cunning reserved businessman type that Lex Luthor is supposed to be. He was easily the worst part of the film.
>>71517301
The movie should be seen as lex luthor's hairdo origin story and that's it.
>>71517331
JUST
>>71517301
retard alert
>>71517331
literally louder than bombs
How does Lex know true identity of both Sups and Batman?
Did he found out, or it is implied that he knew?
>>71517301
Biggest lie in America: that "Power can be innocent"
and further, the problem of evil.
Lex was beaten (and possibly raped or experimented on by his father) and his lingering psychological issues because of it.
He wants to take his anger out on God, and the closest thing to God on earth is Superman.
Philosophically, he knows that, due to the existence of evil on earth, god either 1) cannot be all good, or 2) cannot be all powerful.
So Lex sets out to prove that power isn't innocent, and that god is not all god or all powerful.
He succeeds.
Why are marvelcucks so salty?
>>71517586
>numale vs black male
woah
>>71517567
Pretentious
He should just be a man that is jealous of Superman's celebrity and sets out to destroy him and expose him as a fraud.
>>71517586
This is some creepy internet stalking.
>I f-found someone that browses 4chan.
Bravo.
>>71517632
>He should just be a man that is jealous of Superman's celebrity and sets out to destroy him and expose him as a fraud.
That's part of it too, though. He sees people worshiping Superman and he's also jealous.
"They need to see what a fraud you are."
>>71517669
Triggered as fuck banquo/evanscuck. Kill yourself.
>>71517586
capeshit was a mistake
>>71517301
Lex is a legit pleb filter. The most based villain in capeshit with dialogue that is literally too intelligent for plebs.
>>71518223
Whatever helps you sleep at night Dcuck
>>71517687
Absolutely this. Lex wanted to save the world from an alien menace, too. Since there wasn't one handy, he set about creating one.
He always expected the Batman to lose, so the survivor of the Doomsday fight is the "menace" he'd have - either Doomsday or the Superman who just brought him Bruce's head.
shit opinion OP
http://www.manofsteelanswers.com/lex-luthor-explained/
>>71520094
>manofsteelanswers
Totally isn't biased and not grasping at straws to try to explain their shit villain.
>>71517301
I kinda like Jesse but he was a total miscast. A movie full of alphas and he looked like a quirky teenager.
>>71520317
>biased
>>71517519
same way he found WW,Flash,Cyborg and aquaman . he even made logos for them
>>71517331
Is there a reason Lex gets his head shaved in jail? Is that a common practice in prison? Seems like they needed a reason to make him bald so they just threw in the head shaving scene with no context.
>>71520696
I wondered that too, they don't just shave random prisoners heads, especially down to the bone like that.
>>71517301
his daddy beat him thats enough excuse to release an unstopable monster that will destroy the planet, did you not watch the same movie?
>>71520771
I thought there would be something like externded contact with the kryptonian ship made him lose his hair. But nope. Just a good old fashioned prison head shaving.
>>71520615
yet Batman doesnt know Superman's real identity
Has the meme that Batman v. Superman was secretly a masterpiece ended yet?
Lex was one of the worst things about the movie. Doomsday might have been second. Third is Batman suddenly deciding not to kill Supes because "muh mommy".
>>71520890
>lets make batman even more of a murderer
>>71520890
>We both have moms
>Wow, we have so much in common
>Now we're best friends
how do memers spin this fucking trash resolution
>>71520952
Superman is an alien, more than justifiable in Batman killing him.
>>71520955
I was no a fan of this movie, but I didn't think that part was as bad as people make it out to be. It was fine in principle, but poorly executed.
>>71520890
didnt WB said Doomsday would look like in the comics by the end of the movie?
it was a fucking lie he still looked like a cave troll
>>71520851
lex corp is bigger then wayne name in metropolis.
clark wasnt even big guy in daily bugle
>>71517301
Still better than whole marvel doner kebab shit.
>>71517586
what a fucking faggot
This movie is the ultimate pleb filter, based Snyder.
>>71517462
don't call yourself a retard anon
>>71522011
t. /v/edora pleb
>>71517567
>daddy beat me now I want to kill superman
yeah thats shit motivation. trying to hide it behind a veil of pseudophilosophy just makes the weak writing more obvious.
>>71522085
t. /co/
>autists trying to create a motive for Lex because Snyder failed to do it
>>71522154
nice b8
>>71518223
it's embarrassing that you could think that. his acting was cringe inducing and the dialogue was pretentious drivel that could've been written by a highschooler. he was like an anime villain
>>71522101
>>71522154
literal retards too fucking stupid to understand Oscar winner, Harvard Eng. Lit major Chris Terrio's based as fuck writing.
>>71522235
you're fucking retarded
>>71520952
He didn't say not killing was the problem, he said the execution was poor. Which it was. Christ do you drones intentionally misread posts to not deal with people poin ting out how stupid the movie was?
>>71522235
it was actually written by Oscar winner Chris Terrio went to graduate school for english lit at Harvard.
but good job outing yourself as a retard. Stick to Disney.
Woa, people actually pretend to see philosophical issues in this movie. Holy fuck, you pretentious piece of shit
>>71522247
Lmao holy shit.
>it's good writing because I like the guy who wrote it
Fucking shameful. The writing and editing and logical inconsistencies in this movie are fucking inexcusable. But instead of forcing DC to improve, you lap up shit ensuring there will never be an increase in quality
>>71517331
It's still absurd he didn't lose it from Kryptonite exposure and instead it was prison shaved right at the end.
what the fuck was the point.
>>71522247
>based
Go back to /v/
>>71522247
How come every time someone points out one of the 50 flaws with this movie shills respond with something completely unrelated? The writers credentials don't debunk the criticisms
>>71522438
Batman would have to be bald as well then because he was exposed to it much longer than Lex.
>>71522473
Your ignorance isn't a flaw of the film, friend.
>>71522348
>MMM BOYS
>daddy touched me now I want to kill patriarchal figures
Quality writing! The writer went to a good college so the movie is good!
Because Batman stole his motives.
Batman was a mistake.
>>71517301
>he has no motivation
sstopped reading
>>71522395
the writing was excellent you're just too dumb to understand it friend.
stick to disney.
>>71522666
fuck off, snake satan
His motivation is finding out if Superman is all powerful or all good.
And he actually finishes his goal of solving this in the film, ie. he does not lose (well, jail is only a slight annoyance).
>>71522348
>this literally who wrote the movie, that means the logical inconsistencies don't exist!
What shit logic. He's only written one other movie and that was cowritten with a more well respected writer. what the fuck does that have to do with anything? If this is the quality of his writing he obviously isnt very good at writing movies.
Also this was co written by David goyer who is objectively shit so it doesn't really matter if chris terrio went to college on the moon, nobody can salvage what goyer farts out. God did you really think you were making a logical argument?
>creepy
It wasn't creepy. it was outright cringeworthy. Such a genuinely awful performance from the most overrated actor in hollywood at the moment
>>71522668
It's an incredibly simple movie. What's not to understand? Do you really think there's some philosophical meaning to this movie behind the cgi explosions and cartoon rock monster?
>>71522742
>is too retarded to understand the writing
>blames the writers
>>71522475
he had a suit on, and was near sometfor a short while, Lex was swimming in shit, playing around in a ship, had his cut hand in krypto water.
??? DC cuck cunt
>>71522782
>moron uses the word cringeworthy as an argument
you realize everyone just disregards your opinion?
>>71522786
>Do you really think there's some philosophical meaning to this movie
obviously yes retard, try paying attention to Lex's dialogue, Batman's dream sequences, and Clark's discussion with Jonathan Kent on the mountain next time.
>>71521449
for you
>>71517301
I always thought it was because him and superman were lab partners in college and an experiment went wrong which caused him to be bald. This also fuels his hate for superman.
>>71522821
I guess Lois should be bald too then, dumb cunt.
>>71522826
Not an argument.
>>71522710
But his goal was to sell his weapon through fear. And later his goal is to kill superman because he's mad at his dad. He states that clearly about 10 times throughout the movie.
Have the people defending this turd even seen the fucking movie? You're all so wrapped up in you own head canon the shit you say doesn't even resemble the fucking movie
>>71517497
>literally louder than bombs
>>71517567
that's nice and all but doesn't really address what OP is saying.
It was still a shit version of lex. Color his hair green, paint his face white and the movie is a little bit better.
I liked the film, but kikenberg was objectively the worst part of it. I just didn't understand what they were trying to do with his character. He didn't come off as le crazy but superintelligent mastermind they hoped he would. Every scene he was in I was just begging him to shut up. Does anyone actually rate him as an actor?
>>71520094
it's really sad and telling that that site has to exist.
>>71522799
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/filename/1466747918090/
Woah
really makes you think
>>71522972
Well, it is a superhero movie so you can't be surprised there are so many idiots who don't understand simple things.
>>71522998
I see it as I'm not surprised that there are so many idiots who have to force something to work when it clearly didn't
>>71522868
I thought that wasn't a thing anymore
Why was the Flash a spic? Shouldn't more people be angry about this?
>>71522799
Explain how it made sense for people with bat brands to be targeted for murder in prison. And how superman wouldn't notice that it's illogical and an obvious set up
>>71522799
generally that's how it works when the writers are so shit that they produce garbage.
>>71522998
Tim Burton, Sam Raimi, Christopher Nolan, Zack Snyder and Bryan Singer brought capeshit out of the Hollywood ghetto into the realm of legit art, and fucking Marvel completely destroyed the genre within a few years.
>>71523058
example A
>>71523103
>twirls trench coat
>sheathes katana
>tips fedora
>nothing personal kid
>>71523069
>SUPERMAN YOU RAT! YOU WEREN'T USING YOUR HEAT VISION TO BAKE COOKIES YOU WERE HEATING UP MY FORMULA SO YOU COULD GIVE ME THE OLD SPICY TEST TUBE! WHY WOULD YOU GIVE YOUR OWN LAB PARTNER THE SPICY TEST TUBE???
>>71522878
Those things might've drove him to quest finding out Superman's nature, yes. No doubt they did.
So what? He should've randomly, magically, come up with a reason that doesn't relate to his life? Hmm, no.
>resemble the fucking movie.
Yes it does.
I think you people watched the film while shitposting on /co/ or something.
>>71522826
Cringeworth is the best way to describe jesse Eisenbergs acting. Ridiculous, awkward and unconvincing
>mmmm...boys! *clap* *stutter* hehe... d-daddy won't come home...*pretentious pseudo philosophical drivel*
Fucking abysmal
>>71517301
>entire movie talking about gods and setting superman up as a christ like figure.
>an entire scene where lex talks to a government official and brings up the metahuman theory and how he believes that there is a coming war between those woth power and those without in reference to a battle between zod and supes which ends up having colateral damage.
>this paranoia about metahumans is confirmed again by him having video proof of JL members.
>an entire helicopter scene involving a guy who basically acts like a controlling meglomaniac and thinks himself smarter than 'little minds'. Tells superman he wants to expose metahumans for what they are which is an impure blight that suffer from the same destructive impulses and emotions as humans and not the god like saviors people make them out to be. While also tying in his own beliefs about gods and telling superman hes lesser than him and has to be on leash because lex has his mother.
Im not even saying its a good movie but are you guys retarded? They tell you his motivations outright in three different scenes. Its the most on par part of his character.
>>71523178
kill yourself
>>71523103
>Some hack directors spent years pretending they weren't making comic book movies when they were making comic book movies by blatantly ignoring the comics or altering shit as much as possible then Marvel decided to actually use the reference material for a change and created a coherent, highly successful cinematic universe out of it.
>>71523230
you've clearly never read a comic book in your goddamn life since none of the marvel movies are at all faithful retard.
>>71522556
If you think that was his motivation, you're the dumbass, not the writer. Enough people got it in the theatrical release. Everything in the Ultimate Cut bears out their "silly delusional head-canon." The fans were right. You were wrong.
It's probably best you quit now before you have to retreat to the default position of "Well they should have made it clearer," that last bastion of the irredeemable plebeian.
>>71523123
yet the site exists as a supplement to a shit movie. No one needs to explain lex, I'm pretty sure a majority of the people understood his motivations. That doesn't mean it worked. It's not like znyder is some subtlety master where true art is hidden and people have to study it to fully appreciate it. He bashes you over your head with it repeatedly. Lex was poorly executed, get over it. Pointing to a site that has to explain why it was poorly executed doesn't help your argument.
>>71523178
>mmmmm.....boys!
Best line in the movie desu
>>71523207
imagine getting THIS upset because someone has criticised jesse eisenberg. Are you his mom or something?
Why did Superman save Lex from a DD's punch again?
>>71523270
>has to have his motives explained
>I knew it from the start!
>>71522846
Yes but it was a bunch of pretentious drivel that most people mocked. The same themes have been tackles by superior movies many times. Only teenagers on /tv/ are defending it as anything more
>>71523270
Yes, it worked.
>Subtlety
Isn't a sign of quality. This film never intended to be subtle, it's heavy on commentary about pop culture icons.
>Poorly executed.
Eisenberg was good and convincing as a neurotic, autistic, up jumped millionaire.
>>71523174
that scene pretty much encompasses everything that is wrong with this lex. Why does he see superman specifically as a fraud and why does he have to expose him? Just because? Because daddy beat him and he has a spiritual dilemma?
>>71523301
nobody gets upset at you being stupid, maybe a little shocked at most.
>>71523089
Someone answer this.
>>71523316
are you mentally challenged?
>>71523369
>waah waah goo goo muh precious obsession with a hook nosed talentless hack
cry more you literal 15 year old
>>71523097
But anon, one of the writers went to harvard that means the writing is good!
>>71523418
put some effort in champ
>>71523331
https://social-epistemology.com/2016/04/15/pop-sociology-an-explanation-of-batman-v-supermans-rotten-29-pedro-saez-williams/
>>71520955
lol just turn your brain off bro
>>71523339
>Eisenberg was good and convincing as a neurotic, autistic, up jumped millionaire
He's a shitty Luthor though
>>71522348
Woah, look out guys. The writer went to COLLEGE.
>>71520955
shit skins my friend
>>71523174
lex's dialogue in that scene is amazing, i'm blown away by how stupid some of the posters in this thread are in completely missing the point.
>>71523339
>Eisenberg was good and convincing as a neurotic, autistic, up jumped millionaire.
Having snot drip from your nose while you sing "DING DING DING DING DING DING DING" is not hard to portray.
>>71523331
What's exactly *pretentious*? Even the 'Oldest lie in America' is directly tied to the Lex's issue with Superman, it is not there for the 'show off' or empty mouthing. It is Lex's obsessive behavior breaking his public persona (since he is nearly leaking his endgame with it)
>>71523365
>Superman as a fraud.
But he doesn't. He has the issue with his proposed godlike status and problem of evil, through out the film it is shown to be his motivation wrt. to Superman.
>>71520955
>>71523463
what do you think you're accomplishing with this b8?
>>71523551
>hating well-written kino
Fuck off Marvel shill
>>71521449
But World's Greatest Detective!
but Muh Preptime!
>>71517301
why do we shit on zack snyder if he's given a shit script to work with?
>>71523576
can you give me answer?
>>71523576
>>hating well-written kino
t. redit
>>71523592
MARVEL SHILL BTFO
KINO KINO KINO KINO
>>71523365
>Fraud.
Lex wants to find out if he is all good, or all powerful, or nothing.
He pretty much says this out loud.
>>71520955
It's even worse in the Ultimate cut, when they set up logical reasons for why Superman doesn't like Batman, but he just forgets about that shit to try to get Batman's help. So now they're both fickle retards who change their opinions on a dime because of their mommies.
Could have had a scene where they actually talk for more than 2 minutes in their alter egos, but this is Zack "Batman would get raped in my movie" Snyder.
>>71523194
So it's xmen? Or matrix? Or any of the other 100 movies that use this exact theme and examine it better?
Also lexs motivation starts as trying to sell his weapon by making the world seem dangerous.
Then his motivation pivots randomly to hating superman because his dad beat him and now he hates superman because hes an omnipotent patriarchal figure. And he also brings up war between power/non power but as an intimidation tactic towards selling his weapon. The truth is the writers didn't have any real motivation for lex, so they just threw a bunch of shit at the wall ranging from pracial to philosophical motivations hoping it would become blurry enough that people would just accept that lex wants superman and batman to fight for some reason. And that's really all his character is, a device to make bats and shoes fight, and then a device to make a big cgi monster fight happen
>>71523174
>>71523536
>But he doesn't.
AND I QUOTE
>And neither can you be.
>They need to see the fraud you are.
>>71523623
BvS UE really triggered you didn't it?
Marvelcucks have been so mad since it came out.
>>71523619
>t. dc_cinematic
Fixed. Those assholes have been setting up camp here because they were too autistic to get that the original "capekino" posts where jokes.
>>71523636
do you even like your parents, bro?
>>71523662
>the original "capekino" posts where jokes.
t. master of memes
>>71523583
just because he's given a shit script doesn't mean he has to use it. He's the director. Captain of the ship, he steers it. If you give him a course that takes that ship into an iceberg, he's at fault for not changing course.
>>71523230
Comic books are shit with childlike writing. Those directors took awful source material and made it palatable to non-retards
>>71523649
That's just Goyer's shit writing sabotaging the film, can't help it.
>>71523632
lol, no. You're hurting the argument you're trying to defend, don't post anymore.
>>71523659
Fuck of Marvelshill, we're discussing true kino here.
>>71523691
this.
then again marvel movies aren't well-directed either, so you have shitty comic book storylines and shitty direction.
>>71523632
So killing some guys before Superman even knows about it proves that Superman isn't all good or powerful? How the hell is that Clark's fault?
>>71523391
Simple. It's not a "death sentence" anywhere but in sensationalist newscasts full of weasel words. The best part is that Alex doesn't even have to be an active participant for the media to paint Bruce's actions with the most click-baity brush possible. It's just what the "news" has become.
Also, Bruce used it as a form of torture, too, not just a "death sentence." In a way, it didn't do anything but hasten the inmates' response to human traffickers and kiddie rapers. They're dead men walking to begin with. Bruce was just making sure that everyone knew them for what they were.
>>71523729
How many threads will you rage in until you give it up?
>>71517567
If it doesn't happen onscreen, it didn't happen. Rule #1
>>71523662
>>71523662
>the original "capekino" posts where jokes
Literally fuck off and never return, redditor
>>71523632
lex doesn't want to find anything out. He created a one sided beef with superman and wants to get rid of him. He knows he's good, so he tries to paint him as bad. He knows he's powerful, so he wants to destroy him. The reasons for that are what make his character shit in this movie.
>>71523733
Holy shit, stop nitpicking so hard and just appreciate BvS for what it really is.
Artistic intelligent kino for artistic intelligent people.
>>71523768
>REDDIT HELP ME
>>71523774
Why are you flaming homosexuals then whining that Eisenberg isn't one of your million Luthor's from pulp tier comics?
>>71523261
They don't need to make it clear. Lex Luthor literally has an entire monologe where they make clear lexs mental state and motivations revolve around his resentment for his father. Do you think that's in there for no reason? Its meant to show that lex takes issue with patriarchal authority, and is why he has a personal vendetta with superman
Goddamn people who watch capeshit really are fucking retards
>>71523774
he said all of it on the helipad.
>>71523774
I bet you hated "The Prestige." Almost everything happens on-screen, but it's mostly narrated by unreliable narrators.
>>71523673
I do. But that doesn't mean I'm going to like people who I think are terrible just because they also have parents.
Maybe that makes sense for comic Batman who is against death, but this version of Batman who just kills people coldly should not have this hang-up, or else he'd never kill anyone because everybody has a mother.
>>71523801
autism, get yourself checked out.
>>71520955
>I just tried to kill you a few minutes ago but you have to trust me to save your mom, I can find out where she is too but you somehow can't even though you can find Lois pretty much anywhere in the world
>ok so just tell me where to go and I'll do it myself even faster and safer than you can, much safer really since your rescue could easily end in both of you dying
>no, you have to get to the ship right now
>ok
>>71523839
>Oh shit, he found out I'm reddit.
>Time to play this autism card
>>71523822
He could've been lying. That's the double edged sword with having a character lie muliple times in a movie. You don't know what to believe. So, they should've shown some of these things happen, instead of have him say it.
>>71517632
>it needs ro be less complicated!
wow, you faggots unironically want capeshit to be children's movies? admit it
>>71523837
you are retarded and don't know shit about Batman.
His parents being murdered in front of him is the single most defining moment of his life. They even take pains in the film to show it, as well as the nightmare sequence where the demon comes out of his mothers grave, and show again his parents being murdered after Superman says "Martha" to drive home how traumatized he still is about it.
fuck BvS haters are some of the biggest retards on the planet. Stick to Disney.
>>71523801
It's not nitpicking if a major theme of the movie.
>>71523871
what reason does he have to lie?
>>71523793
>He knows he's good
Clark has been good so far, he is pushing his buttons to see if he is good until the end of the line in BVS.
>One sided beef.
I think the beef becomes two sided when Lex kidnaps Martha in the film.
>>71523871
What he is doing in helipad is justifying his actions. Not lying. Sure he can be lying to himself, but I think he believes in what he says.
>>71523889
>picking apart every little detail to find a flaw isn't nitpicking
Marvel fans everyone
>>71523910
shit writing
>>71523861
you are trying too hard senpai
>>71523827
I never watched the Prestige.
The movie wasn't great but it wasn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. How much did the Ultimate edition add? Because I kept on hearing about how confusing the movie supposedly is but it made perfect sense to me other than the weird shit like Bruce's visions/Flash appearing which we aren't supposed to fully understand yet.
>>71523883
>and show again his parents being murdered after Superman says "Martha" to drive home how traumatized he still is about it.
Being traumatized about your mothers death =/= forgiving a alien god who you think deliberately kills innocent people
Trauma triggers are real.
The fact it's Clark saying Martha and not "mom/mother" is pretty convenient, but it's not as bad as many other popular films out there, like The Force Awakens which was a very very convenient film.
>>71523931
>Oh god, I'm losing an argument on the internet
>Better call him a tryhard, that'll show him
>>71523808
No, I think it's there to convince Superman that he's dealing with a dangerous lunatic. I think it's Lex selling him that fear like he sells different kinds of fear throughout the movie to multiple different people.
But by all means, keep drinking Granny's Peach Tea, dumbass.
>>71523924
he doesn't know he's a fictional character, so he doesn't know about the writing. Also it didn't happen on screen so it didn't happen.
>>71523648
Are you a retard? Nothing has changed in his motivations, meta humans are above normal humanity and he believes they arent good and wamts to expose them as such. What better way to show that than bringing down cinematic superhero kesus who is currently the focus of the media and who people are praising for being a benevolent god.
His motivation never changes and he uses batman, the govenor, and everyone else to make it happen. What dont you understand about this, are you being willfully dense? Did you not understand between all the statues and news reports that they were making superman out to be THE metahuman? And that maybe by exposing the most widely excepted one people might understand his point about metahumans us vs them mentality and thus buy his weapons?
>>71523987
am I meant to be angry? what are you trying to do?
Will never, for the life of me, understand the DC fanboy mentality.
>>71523536
My problem is why does lex give a shit about gods/meta humans and exposing superman? If the answer is just because hes mad at his dad (it is) then it feels pretty shit. It's a petty childlike motivation that makes the philosophical themes seem like they're being pontificated on by an immature twat, which they are
>>71524018
>I-I'm not mad honest!
>R-R-REDDIT, TELL HIM IM NOT MAD
>>71523965
>>71523965
It clears up a lot of things, makes Lex's plan a little more airtight and adds more depth to Clark, as well as some slightly changed scenes
>>71523801
>>REDDIT HELP ME
You should be nicer to redditors.
I know for a fact that the only reason you're even here right now on this board is because they cried on /q/ and lied to moot. You owe your entire /tv/ career to them unless you started posting before 2013
>>71523913
If he's trying to justify his actions, his reasons are shit. "Dad never loved me, so I literally have to destroy Superman by creating something worse than Superman."
>>71523910
What reason does he have to do anything? If he's not lying, then his character is emotionally motivated and shit. Lex Luthor in all other iteration is not motivated by that shit. He's a business man above all else. He would've only tried to destroy Superman if he believed it the best prerogative for himself.
>>71524036
>My problem is why does lex give a shit about gods/meta humans and exposing superman?
Uhh
the entire world kind of cares about the metahuman named Superman in the film
its a pretty big deal after some aliens went to war against Earth...
>>71524044
what are you trying to do?
>>71524006
marvel drones are incapable of understanding anything more subtle than quip quip quip.
>>71524069
Simplifying his motivations bit too much there.
>He's a business man above all else
Why are you talking about what isn't established in the film.
This is BvS:DOJ we are talking about, not comic number 91616 etc.
>>71524069
he acts from the anger that he isn't the most powerful anymore.
>>71524006
Okay so how does unleashing doomsday to destroy the world help him sell his weapon?
Its a shit flick too. Not a single ounce of artistic merit came from it or the directors version.
It's not the greatest film, it's somewhere between decent to good, but jesus christ the naysayers itt are some of the densest retards I've seen in /tv/ what the fuck
>>71524165
I think/hopethat they are just pretending to be retarded.
only other rational explanation i can figure is they shit on it so much before the UE came out that they are in too deep.
>>71524149
that pic get's destroyed every time it's posted. Stop anon for you own dignity.
>>71524165
Its a movie at best not film
>it's somewhere between decent to good
Watch more movies and films.
>>71522348
tell your boyfriend that his script sucks my dick almost as well as you suck his dick
>>71524149
How many times do you expect answers to this? I'd post a cap that answers literally every question your pic asks, but some crybaby faggot would just report it as spam.
>>71524255
I think you are in a wrong thread /lbg/cuck
>>71524075
>um
You have to go back.
Also "everyone cares" isn't the motivation you dumb shit. Lex wants to kill supermans reputation a: to help sell his weapon by making people scared of him, or b: hates his dad so much he wants to destroy patriarchal figures
The metahumans philosophical mumbo jumbo is tacked on to make his motivations seem deep, but it's an empty philosophical question that nobody takes seriously so it fell flat for multiple reasons
>>71524123
Because the movie is attempting to translate a character from the comics, and they translated the character like shit. And I'm not referencing a single comic here. I'm speaking about every single Lex iteration. Stop having shit taste plz.
>>71524127
Sure, when it comes to strength and might alone. But Lex has the most influence, not counting his corporations battle with Wayne Tech. His reason is still shit. If all he had as motivation was his ten year old motivation of jealousy then why in the world is he running an entire company?
>>71524278
Why do you think the motivation needs to be either or
Humans aren't that simple.
>>71524123
Well he seemed to care about selling his weapon in the beginning the movie, but by the end he was unhinged enough to risk destroying the world just to kill superman because >muh dad
>>71524271
I think you're on the wrong board, anti art /v/edditor
>>71524286
>Because the movie is attempting to translate a character from the comics, and they translated the character like shit
waah its not like my comics waah
Think the sitcom shit of Marvel is more up to your taste
>>71524286
Superman is a living Jesus. You don't think that a flying man that can destroy everything has no influence? If sups said ''gas the kikes'' people would do it out of fear/hope.
>>71522348
>>71522668
>>71522348
i think this cuck wants us to stick to something? not sure what it is. if you figure out what he means, let me know.
>>71524006
>>71524141
Btw the answer is it doesn't the writing is just shit
>>71524331
>Well he seemed to care about selling his weapon in the beginning the movie
Because a person that is clearly showing obsessive behavior towards Superman couldn't ignore selling weapon and focus on Superman and superman alone?
How can you get so fucking confused
like dude fucking step the fuck down for a minute and think
at least it has refreshing take on lex's motivations, compared to muh revenge praised zetard.
>>71524315
Because one undermines the other. He ends the movie by potentially destroying the world with doomsday just to kill superman. He doesn't give a shit about the weapon at that point although it was ostensibly his primary motivator for the first half of the movie. He pivots from businessman to unhinged molestation victim.
>Discussion of Marvel films
>Dead
>Discussion of Snyder's DC films.
>Alive after years
Think I know what was art and what was glorified television show
>>71524354
All capeshit is made with reddit sensibility.
Video Games = "entertainment" sensibility = autism.
This is predominantly an art board (the "entertainment" shit that is constantly being discussed here is a result of crossposters from pleb boards like /co/ and /v/)
True cinema = art which is the opposite to autism and in turn the opposite to video games.
The sensibilities resulting in video game appreciation are diametrically opposed to the appreciation of cinema as "art". Videogames/autism/"entertainment" are the reason for capeshit.
>>71524463
He is shown to be neurotic, obsessive and fucking autistic. It's really a no leap of faith to see him go from 'fuck selling a weapon' to 'Lets wake up a kryptonian monster to test superman's shit'
>>71524421
You sound even more upset than the guy you're replying to
>>71524472
correct
>>71524472
if they had started smaller they would have been able to move to televison without many problems.
>>71524526
I am confused about how someone can be so fucking confused
>>71524472
>capeshit
>films
You don't know sweet fuck about art though
>>71524421
At what point does lexs motivation shift from one to the other? He just kind of disintegrates into into paranoid delusions by the end of the movie. Which makes me wonder why people are acting like a madmans philosophical rambling is meant to be taken as some kind of serious examination of the ideas
>>71524472
>Superhero movies
>Art
a shitty meme so powerful that people are actually inclined to believe it
>>71520615
>he even made logos for them
This I found silly. It's like Ming the Mercilless putting Flash Gordon's logo on his coffin.
>>71524559
Nobody's confused. Lex wants to sell a weapon, so he rambles philosophy to scare the senator. As times goes on he gets more and more wrapped up in his dad fucking him because patriarchal figures trigger him, and eventually he makes a monster to kill superman.
The writing is straightforward, and it's fine. But people in this thread literally act like it's a philosophic dissertation worth exploring
>>71522235
He spoke in analogy, constantly referencing mythology and classical literature.
What the fuck more do you want
>>71524286
Hackman was shit, too then by your metric. You have shit taste and shit opinions and your reasoning is pretty shit, too.
>>71524603
>a madmans philosophical rambling is meant to be taken as some kind of serious examination of the ideas
It is serious in the context of the film and Lex believing his own words. Of course we can always debate if it is Lex lying to himself, Lex honestly curious about the theological issue, or both (probably)
>Where does it shift.
I have only seen the film once, I can't call it out now. Maybe when 4k release is up is when I rewatch it.
He finds out if he is all good
>Does he kill Batman
>He doesn't.
He finds out if he is all powerful
>Does he whack off the devil
>No, does it with help of others, dies twice trying.
>>71524736
There you once again simplify his motivation to a one track thought just because Goyer throw a very glib line about daddy and fists.
>>71524588
>>71524668
not him, but if you categorically reject all capeshit that's totally valid, but saying BvS is worse than the Marvel literal children's movies is ludicrous
I can get baked and get down on some Nolan shit, but all the Marvel stuff is painfully childish
>>71524789
Just go fucking look at Russos 'directing' it looks like a fucking Friend's episode.
Like holy fuck balls did they try and succeed in making those films the easiest to chew garbage and non-offensive trash out there.
>>71524764
>There you once again simplify his motivation to a one track thought just because Goyer throw a very glib line about daddy and fists.
It's not one line. It's an entire monologe in front of the senator that makes very clear that lexs person vendetta against superman is based entirely on his father's abuse and his resulting resentment for patriarchal figures. That's literally his sole motivation after he stops giving a shit about the weapon
what the fuck is wrong with you people it's a god damn superhero movie
>>71523913
then he's not trying to find out, he's forcing him. What would be the "good" option in the ultimatum?
>I think the beef becomes two sided when Lex kidnaps Martha in the film.
don't be retarded. Superman was completely unaware of him until that point. Lex had a one sided beef with superman for 90% of the movie.
>>71524894
people are trying to make it more than it is and people have a problem with it. Are you surprised? do you not know where you are?
>>71524894
No anon.....it's superhero keeno.
>>71524892
You can add that lex wanting to prove superman isnt a god and can be fallible is due to his desire to prove to himself that his dad was fallible and not ominopotent or a good man. Basically "Its not my fault I was raped"
>>71524702
Yeah, why would the billionaire heir to a multinational corporate empire draw up logos for a bunch of superheroes? It's not like he was planning on marketing th-
Wait, you don't think that maybe he had something planned, do you? Nah, couldn't be. This is just a big, dumb cape movie. They'd never hold their audience in such high esteem as to give them a villain that's actually smart, duplicitous, and diabolical. Better they just remain shallow and cartoonish so all the plebs can understand them.
>>71524991
>so all the plebs can understand them.
Considering the amount of +300 replies this film gets it is easy to say this is a very interpretation open film
>>71524894
>it's a god damn superhero movie
back to /co/ pleb
>>71524991
You literally just projected your own head canon into the movie and then applauded the writing
I'm fucking mesmerized
>>71525101
Dude maybe he just wanted fucking icons
Have you never riced up your system?
Fucking christ not everything needs a DIABLOICAL MASTERPLAN REASON
>>71524991
I agree with this >>71525101 anon. I mean, it's not like the movie helps you and tells you why lex would have those files and why he made logos for them, they just tell you he has them. Sure you can make your own assumptions but if you're saying lex was gonna use them as his own team and marketing them, that's retarded. At best the only conclusion one should make is that he was going to try and use them against superman like he did batman. Still doesn't explain why he made logos for them.
>>71525145
Itd be nice if it made sense in the context of the story though.
I mean, I might name a folder "Porn" but I don't design a fucking logo for each category.
>>71524702
Yeah, why would the billionaire heir to a multinational corporate empire draw up logos for a bunch of superheroes? It's not like he was planning on marketing th-
Wait, you don't think that maybe he had something planned, do you? Nah, couldn't be. This is just a big, dumb cape movie. They'd never hold their audience in such high esteem as to give them a villain that's actually smart, duplicitous, and diabolical. Better they just remain shallow and cartoonish so all the plebs can understand them.
>>71525220
>naming your folder porn and not virus quarantine or BAT.ico files just in case
You name your porn folder 'PORN' so it is the place where people wont look because lmao who'd name it porn
It works
everytime
>>71525271
>a forced meeting between lex bruce and clark
>lex makes it seem like bruce should know who clark is
>clark acts like he doesn't know bruce
TRUE KEEEEEEEEEEEEEENO
>>71525287
In case what?
I'm a grown ass man, I don't need to hide my fucking porn like I'm 13 again.
>>71525326
I see "porn" I'm opening it
>>71525356
in case
>someone stumbles on your unlocked computer
>you die
>your mommy comes into the basement and demands to look at your computer (most likely scenario)
>>71525368
You never want to look at another man's stash. You never look at them the same way after you find they've got logos for every category. And one is a horse shoe.
>>71525326
>not going full thad on your folders
>>71525406
>Living with parents
Honestly, that'd be nice. Monthly payments are a bitch.
>>71525409
W-what do you do with a horse shoe?
>>71525220
it's literally just shoehorned it to wink at the audience about dc extended universe. that shit killed this movie at every turn
>>71525271
you're just gonna keep posting that even though it's been explained that it's a retarded head canon reason?
>>71525480
it was so obvious and bad. And they couldn't even do it right. There should have been a batman and superman folder there too, and other obscure ones just in case.
>>71525478
Not me personally, but I hear they goclop
>>71525480
Indeed it is, shame it wasn't handled better.
>>71525480
>dat aquaman scene
I honestly feel bad for snyder because you know it fucking broke his heart being forced to include that idiotic shit.
>>71525534
>. There should have been a batman
uh since when is Batman a metahuman?
I agree Supes missing is an obvious mistake, but small one
>>71525588
it shouldn't have been a metahuman folder...and batman is pretty much a metahuman. He bought his way in.
Snyder films transcend capeshit, and that's why they are kino.
>>71525216
Yeah, that's exactly what he was going to do. He was going to use them to take down either Doomsday or the Superman who'd just murdered a fellow vigilante, whichever survived, and he was going to use his government contacts to press them into service.
As the guy who found them, he'd of course demand he be an integral part of the follow up where they become an internationally-sanctioned team whose job is to deal with threats of an extraordinary global nature.
With all that going for him, he'd be a fool *not* to consider exploiting them as a revenue stream.
>>71525588
>>71525646I never metahuman I didn't like!
>>71525682
Interesting.
Where is this even implied in the film or any extended media?
>>71525682
holy shit, how far off the rails are you? There is literally nothing in the film to suggest that. I don't even want to point out how stupid that fanfic is.
>>71524953
did you not even read my post? I'm emphasizing that capeshit is puerile by nature, but the degree to which Marvel takes that is ludicrous. I hate GoT and capeshit spam as much as anyone else, but the Marvel/GoT faggots are clearly the most aggressive cancer currently killing this board. Notice how we don't hear shit about Marvel and it's all GoT now? It's the same retards
>>71525682
kek
>>71525676
>he says as his favorite movies of the last 5 years are probably trash like whiplash, birdman and mad max
Just go back to imdb before you're stomped
>>71525787
Its really cute that you want your /v/eddit console war shit, but all capeshit is cancer. And for your last part
Its clear all three of you are of the same ilk considering after GoT ended the capeshit discussion jumped right back. Next time make sure you're actually "from here" when you're going to try and defend your favorite movies.
>>71525787
>Stop liking what I dislike
Filters buddy, use them.
>>71525804
I didn't particularly like any of those films
>>71525748
No, please do. Point out every last flaw in it. I can't fucking wait.
>>71525896
There's only one flaw he needs to point out.
Its total head canon with no basis in the narrative at all.
>>71525804
Knight of Cups, Oslo 31. August, Gone Girl, Spring Breakers, Carol (or the Turin Horse, really can't decide the fifth favorite)
I enjoyed DoJ, good film.
>>71525996
Pathetic.
>>71526067
You aren't watching Knight of cups or Turin horse correctly if you liked the other trash. Please pay more attention to the one you ape.
>>71522871
>>71522821
>>71522475
>>71522438
what about superman?
>>71526143
>You didn't enjoy what you enjoyed.
This is argument that I read from /a/ or /v/ posters a lot desu
>>71526143
retard alert.
>>71526143
Or you weren't watching them all correctly, you judgmental, superior douchebag "patrician."
>>71526134
You're right I guess.
I really loved how Lex used his robot suit that one time. You couldn't see it of course cause of the cloaking device, but you really felt its presence.
>>71526215
You aren't watching Tarr or Malick correctly. Its very clear from your other picks and your "enjoyment" of this movie.
>>71525869
oh my fucking God stop projecting so hard
sometimes I don't want to watch a super complex film and just want to tune out and see some big budget action scenes
how many fucking times do I need to say, obviously all capeshit is pretty bad but the Marvel/GoT spammers are worse than anyone else on this board
>>71526280
>You didn't enjoy what you just enjoyed.
ok /v/
>>71526143
>arguing like you're straight out of /v/
>>71526266
And you sink still lower. I do believe you're approaching a brand new, undiscovered Marianas-tier level of stupid.
>>71526361
Are ypou implying that just because it wasn't referenced in the films narrative in ANY WAY that it wasn't true?
But that would mean he wasn't making a super hero franchise to profit off too, surely?
Nah, its cool. Invisible robot suits and plans the narrative never even infers are all parts of the true appreciation of this kino of kinos.
>>71526333
>enjoy again
Once again you've proven you don't know how to watch their films.
>>71526454
>if you "enjoyed" it you're watching it wrong. it's supposed to be a miserable experience of angst and existential dread
>i am a faggot.
>>71525874
>filter GoT and all related buzzwords
>half the threads disappear
you push decent threads off the catalog, just post in your general, but you guys are incapable of that because you're all immature anime/videogame/underage faggots incapable of self-control
>>71526454
>art is objective
just lol
>>71526516
>You
Yeah, no, I just filter shit and don't get triggered like some menopausal SJW bitch.
>>71526499
Stick to videogames if you want to "enjoy" stuff you mongoloid. Cinema is a slaughterhouse not a fun club house for /v/ graduates.
>>71526579
i partially agree with you, but 'enjoy' can also be used synonymously with 'like' or 'appreciate'. so when someone says they 'enjoyed' a film they may mean it on an intellectual level and not solely an emotional, 'feel-good' way.
i appreciated Enter The Void, for example, but it was a somewhat miserable experience watching it.
>>71526447
Show me the specs of Lex's suit in a folder. Show him talking it over as part of his "deterrence" pitch to the senators. I can do all these things with the metahumans.
>>71526750
Itnwas obviously his secret weapon against superman, he's not going to TELL ypou about it. But to even suggest he's going to meet Superman in the flesh without his cloaked robot suit is just absurd.
Just as absurd as him making logos for the supoerfriends unless he intended to market them, right? But wait, you say you can prove that was his plan? Really? Well this should!d be interesting. I wonder why you didn't post that support earlier when asked...?
>>71526565
>triggered
stop using buzzwords, and you also completely glossed over the fact that GoT and capeshit spam pushes other threads off the board
if you have a favorite restaurant, and then suddenly they change half the dishes and they are shit now, you're not going to be bummed out?
when people are acting like retards and ruining something you like, and you feel disappointment and some anger, that isn't being "triggered," that's having normal human emotions
>>71526905
>Getting angry over pointless shit you can't control then bitching about it incessantly
That's like a working definition of triggered.
>>71527007
>just don't get upset about anything ever
>don't complain about shit in a constructive way to improve things
you seem like a massive pussy
>>71527320
What part of your posts were constructive?
Ypou literally came into a capeshit thread to complain abaoiut capeshit and game of thrones. You are off topic shit posting.
To return to your food analogy, you're like a cunt who doesn't like the crispy duck taking a shit in the serving tray and screaming "Fuck you duckfags, I saved ypou from this shitty meat!!!"
Real fucking constructive bro.
>>71517301
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>>71526860
You really shouldn't attempt reductio ad absurdum until you fully grasp how it works and why. Also, take a breather. Your typing goes to shit when you're rustled.
>>71527689
Nice, Kingdom Come.
Oh, you had a point? Was it anything to do with proving Lex was marketing the Super Friends....?
No... What a shame.
>>71527772
I got more than your robot suit. That's my point. Also, what's your alternate explanation? He just liked them? The studio and all involved are so stupid and cynical that they'll dump that in there and not care?
If either of those are your answer, can you see how that says more about you than it does about the film?
>>71528019
>I got more
Feel free to post it.
Next post, post it.
If not, well I guess we're done.
>Implying Hollywood studios aren't cynical
Wow, I wish I still had your blind faith.
>>71528019
>The studio and all involved are so stupid and cynical that they'll dump that in there and not care?
That's literally what happened
>>71523174
lex seemed to make a better joker than anything, they way he talked, waved his hands and did those flashy show of kent's mother.
You know the film's great when people are still talking about it every day 3 months after release
>>71523536
ayyy that was my favorite line
>>71524286
>I'm speaking about every single Lex iteration. Stop having shit taste plz.
confirmed for reading one version of lex at the most
this is full lex, more than any movie before it
>>71528176
I already posted it. I've posted it dozens of times across scores of threads. Every single piece of what more cynical, less imaginative viewers look at and dismiss as Lex being "lolsorandumbXD" because they believe the people responsible for these films don't "get" the characters, conveniently adds up into a plot where Lex extorts Superman into murder, lays the deaths of Martha and Lois at his feet, and conceivably even lays off the creation of Doomsday on him as well.
He's then free to spin it however he wants with the sole living person to contradict his version of events being Clark, the man who just undeniably murdered a fellow vigilante in cold blood for no apparent reason. They use the remaining metahumans and kryptonite weaponry to eliminate whichever survived the fight between Superman and Doomsday.
What's even better is that it's perfectly in character for Lex to cook up such a scheme and keep it to himself. He doesn't give a shit if you can't figure it out, he cares even less if you think it's crazy. That just reinforces his belief that you're not operating on his level.
So it's either a disjointed mess or it's one of the best schemes we've had out of a cape villain to date, brought to you courtesy of people who respected your intellect enough to not monologue it at you like some mustache-twirling caricature.
Choose your world.
>>71529246
kys
So why did lex hate batman ? He wouldnt know if superman could kill batman too?
No way saying anything bad regards to batman considering he wants to co op with him and shit
>>71529158
Kevin Spacey made a better Lex.
Clancy Brown made better Lex.
>>71529246
I asked you to post proofs, not state your theory again.
If you have no proof, you have nothing but fanon. Good day.
>>71529246
nice, anon
another huge irony for me personally is that lex gets btfo by his own plans all the fucking time in the comic books
THE LEX PATTERN
plays his hand
gloats at how he's flipped the script and gained power (reminds me of a certain moment in bvs...)
some unforeseen event takes over and he loses his position of power and has to be saved by the heroes (this also reminds me of a moment in bvs....)
really, the only thing that is "different" in this iteration of lex is the skin
underlying it all its the same old lex
>>71529304
Don't think he actually hates Batman at first before he helped Superman.
>>71529246
>r survived the fight between Superman and Doomsday.
he didn't even know doomsday was possible when he was "forming" this team that would somehow willingly work for him. Your fanfiction is garbage m8.
>>71529465
Yeah but why he wanted batmans head?
He say he doesnt know alien and shit dont trust them etc. Superman might go berserker and. Kill batman
He didnt even know superman at all
>>71529304
pretty sure he's indifferent to batman just like he's indifferent to his assistant. Or maybe he wants wayne enterprises out
>>71529528
batman means nothing to him. Batman could live or die, it doesn't matter to him. Doesn't mean he hates batman. He just wants superman to prove how much of a faggot he is one way or another.
>>71529528
this is the one part of the film that is at least coherent
Lex is using Batman because he's the only person that can kill Superman, he doesn't hate or like him, he's just a tool for him
>>71529304
lex never says a bad thing about batman in the movie
he's just using him
lex's whole schtick is that he uses his head to gain leverage over others
both batman and superman enact power through physical means, but lex takes the approach of using others to do his dirty work.
he never does anything personally in the movie except for create and release doomsday
which of course, also play into his whole situation with his dad and how he had absolutely no means of power, so now power through knowledge is his only means of ascension
>>71523841
That was probably the biggest issue with the whole "MARTHA!!!" problem.
Like, Superman would've gotten to Martha in less time possibly and completely rekt every person there, including that Russian. Then again, Bruce was the only one who had an ace up his sleeve, with the kryptonite spear and the tracking bug on the Russian that luckily Alfred was still monitoring. Lucky as hell.
>>71529246
correct anon but marvel fags refuse to listen.
>>71529359
The movie is my proof. You're just too dishonest to acknowledge it or too obtuse to comprehend it. Good day to you as well.
>>71529421
Yes, and everyone who criticizes Eisenberg's portrayal does so blissfully unaware that the corporate swindler iteration of Lex didn't even exist when the Donner film hit the big screen. Hackman invented it.
It's my strong belief that had there been an Internet in the 70s, fanboys would have been posting about "not muh Lex" between bong rips.
>>71522972
It's sad and telling that marvelcuck are so mentally retarded that they do not understand such basic concept
