> initially "realistic" fictional setting increasingly invaded by supernatural and fantasy elements
> violence of all kinds used as drama / exploitative shock value
> focus on both character relationships and overarching themes of power and destiny
> meandering as fuck
Which one does it better, /tv/?
Berserk. Not even an argument to be made.
>>71429033
Berserk is much smaller in scale
>>71429033
Berserk is literally the best piece of fiction known to man.
>>71429033
Berserk is far better.
and even though berserk shows titties and rapes, they are not its selling point.
Game of Thrones hasn't stagnated to the point Berserk has yet.
Game of Thrones, Berserk and The Witcher 3 are the medieval fantasy triumvirate.
>>71429075
>The Witcher 3
Why not just mention the book series which is more full and generally better you fucking manchild
>>71429033
>> initially "realistic" fictional setting increasingly invaded by supernatural and fantasy elements
its a made up medieval realm typical of a sword & sorcery story
stop being autistic
>>71429033
>"realistic" fictional setting
Dark fantasy is not equal realistic.
>>71429033
there's no one as based as griffith in GoT so berserk wins
The Dresden Files.
>>71429091
The Witcher books aren't anything special when it comes to fantasy books that being said the market for fantasy video games is far smaller so it has less competition.
>>71429102
No such thing called 'dark fantasy'
>>71429033
Berserk is not as much predictable as GoT, hell, we cant tell what happens next. GoT on the other hand is very poor in foreshadowing and creating interesting outcomes.
I don't recall berserk havy any fart jokes or COCK jokes so berserk
The problem with Berserk is that it was god tier, but went to complete shit and won't be completed in this lifetime.
Well when I think about this the book version of ASOIAF can end up the same.
>>71429159
fuck off, berserk is still great
>>71429172
Berserk hasn't been great for a long time.
>>71429033
7 FUCKING YEARS ON THAT FUCKING BOAT
>>71429143
This. Not to mention that berserk actually takes risks with its setting and does some genuinely unique shit. Meanwhile you have GoT, which is tied down to reality so normies who watch it don't get disgusted by the realization that they're watching fantasy.
>>71429033
The first fucking scene in game of thrones shows the white walkers you daft cunt
>>71429182
Oh fuck you, the last boss fight was amazing
>>71429033
>increasingly
What?
One scene everything is fine then next we have giant snake monsters and weird ass portals in bricks
>>71429033
Golden Age Berserk is better when its edited well. There's no need for pages after pages of 'muh sword to big to be a sword' wank and autistic dialogue justifying every hand movement.
Only the Golden age is comparable to Game of Thrones though.Golden Age is war/political intrigue, Black Swordsman is a revenge/demon hunter story, Conviction is a tower infiltration story, Millenium Falcon so far (I'm reading that now) is a base under seige story.
>>71429033
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
>>71429071
Joe Abercrombie is a poor man's George RR Martin and nothing more.
>>71429202
And Berserk starts with Guts fucking a demon.
>>71429275
Jojo had vampire nonsense in the first half of the first part, that's hardly the same. The tone was set from the start to be this weird story with vampires and energies and all that shit. I guess that part 6 is where things go completely insane but up until them it's quite okay.
"I'm going to be the biggest prankster EVER!!" Griffithsu
All of you plebs.
Best series is pic related.
if anybody doesn't agree, then he can go and eat shit.
>>71429033
When people say Berserk is good, do they mean the anime or the manga or the movies? Cause I have only seen the anime and it was pretty bad and the animation was laughable and characters were fairly one-dimensional. Are the manga and movies any better?
>>71429325
Cringe
>>71429333
what do you think
>>71429333
R E A D T H E M A N G A
>>71429337
> i have nothing to say so cringe
Beyblade first 3 seasons were best in any medium of entertainment.
>>71429333
>When people say Berserk is good, do they mean the anime or the manga or the movies?
They mean early manga+first anime's soundtrack+vidya's soundtracks
>>71429033
Whose face is that below Jon?
>>71429202
>>71429239
Both stablish there's supernatural stuff going on early in the series (first chapter in ASoIaF, first arc in Berserk) but then perform major story groundwork without that much outright fantasy stuff -except here and there, pic related-
I'd say it's done this way to be straight with the audience and so the major fantasy turn doesn't feel like a cheap twist later
>>71429333
Movies are better than the shitty slideshow original anime. But I'm going to get 300 or so /a/ posters jumping on me saying 'muh cgi' as if the cgi isn't better than the badly drawn slides.
Also I wouldn't agree the characters are one dimensional other than the secondary Band of the Hawk characters.
>>71429409
joffrey
>>71429409
Joffrey
>>71429333
Berserk is good until he forms the party. Casca is just there and the faries, loli witch, and the boy are terrible. The only decent ones are the bodyguard and the inquisitior girl. Puck just becomes far too annoying.
>>71429409
Jeffrey
>>71429333
The manga.
>>71429419
Thank fuck I'm not the only one prefering the movies
>>71429419
> Googles CGI Berserk
> Learns a new CGI Berserk series begins THIS WEEK
>>71429452
That has to have been the best story arc in the entire series for me. What a horrifying climax, followed by fucking Griffith coming back to the world. Insane.
>>71429033
Both target completely different audience. Most GOT audience is female
>>71429419
The movies were better. They basically cut out the fluff but unfortunately they cut out a little too much. The first film should have been longer but the second and third were fine.
>>71429474
HAI YOOOOO
>>71429444
Puck is really shit. Comic relief can be okay, but he isn't funny and he keeps on ruining the tone.
>>71429485
Yep. Conviction is best.
I still liked Falcon of the Millennium Empire but I gotta say Fantasia is kinda losing me.
Not that good so far.
>>71429409
Joffrey
>>71429419
>>71429493
Wyald isn't in either the movies or the anime right?
That makes all of it shit compared to the manga.
>>71429275
Completely different settings, formats and ages you dumb fuck.
>>71429033
>That CGI girffith in the lop left
>CGI behelit in the center
they could have fucking done their promo shit entirely with 2d but nooooooo
>>71429541
>It's an autist gets triggered by 3d episode
>>71429504
He really does. Honestly it's a problem I noticed in most anime and manga. Guess it's a culture thing.
>>71429527
Yes he should have been in the third film but they cut him.
manga>Films>anime
>>71429455
>>71429493
I don't even understand how you could argue the original anime is better. Is it just nostalgia?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5jAOIrs7O8
The animation is better, the pacing is better, the musical ques are better and the general scene direction is better.
>>71429527
That's the dude who takes an entire freaking volume to kill, right? It's there when the series starts going downhill for me and begins enfuckening its previous pacing and focus
>>71429504
I honestly feel like Puck gives us a very large and obvious clue about how Faeries operate in the Berserk universe.
>>71429033
>setting increasingly invaded by supernatural and fantasy elements
he fucks a demon on the first page
>>71429541
That would've been misleading and a waste of resource on their end.
>>71429584
>I don't even understand how you could argue the original anime is better. Is it just nostalgia?
There is a sense of respect for what came first. The new series do some things right, but some of the CGI scenes look really bad, and some of the charm is lost.
The people that had their first contact with Berserk through the original series would have a hard time getting a boner over a CGI rehash.
That said, I think the CGI rehash does some things very right. The episode which was mostly about Griffith and his internal psychic state was a good one.
>>71429488
Does that mean people posting in GoT threads are girls?
>>71429584
The music is much better in the anime compared to the movies.
>the animation is better
half of it is ugly CGI in the movies. The anime was low budget and have still pictures which sucks
Both the anime and the movies skip a ton of story which makes it hard to care about the characters, this is especially true for the movie were everyone except Guts, Casca and Griffith have had their parts pretty much cut.
I'm still gonna say that the anime is better, both the movies and the anime are at best mediocre and doesn't even come close to the manga but the anime have a god tier soundtrack by Susumu Hirasawa atleast.
>>71429584
That music though.
Come on.
I fucking love the anime ost.
Except the opening and ending of course.
>>71429504 >>71429578
The problem is that Puck used to be a completely different character. He originally was there mostly to be shocked by Guts' brutality and whatnot, but he was OK, useful storytelling-wise and had his moments of awesome as well.
The shift in characterization style in the later arcs (mostly a cute -- CUTE! paradigm) really fucked him up though.
>>71429640
you just answered to one ;)
>>71429756BLOOD
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>>71429685
In the manga there's too much of 'here's random enemy of the week, you guys, lets spend 10 pages talking about how my big blunt sword, you guys, is too big and blunt to be a sword, you guys.
>>71429640
That would make sense, as they all turn to hysterics when you tell them why their show is absolute trash.
>>71429756
It isn't implemented very well though.
>>71429777
post feet pls
>>71429790
MY BROTHER
COME JOIN ME
IN BATTLE WE ARE STRONGER
WHEN TUDOR
WILL FALTER
100 YEARS OF WAITING WILL BE OVER
>>71429809
What?
>>71429838
It is implemented much better in the Casca and Guts love scene and when Casca tells Guts about Griffith.
I don't watch weeb shit, but I'm forced to imagine that they do it better because of how awful thrones is
>Everyone shrugs off Jon coming back from the dead
>>71429774
Japanese just can't into thematic consistency.
No western artist would ever consider cute scenes in a series as dark as berserk.
It is so fucking stupid to also have cute shit.
I blame the atom bombs.
>>71429879
It's pretty blunt. Can't really be called a sword 2bh
>>71429918
I guess more like a large hunk of Iron would be a better description, rigth?
>>71429879
Maybe its just the translation I'm reading, but someone says 'you guys' almost every page.
>>71429950
You are reading the dark horse translation right?
Please anon.
>>71429122
Yes there is. Its when you mix horror with fantasy.
>>71429033
>that smiling cgi horse
>>71429033
>> initially "realistic" fictional setting increasingly invaded by supernatural and fantasy elements
The first chapter in the manga has supernatural fantasy elements, what are you talking.
>>71429902
Contrast can be much more powerful than consistency; but since it's harder to do right, rationalizing the latter as the "right" way becomes very convenient
If GoT writers weren't terrified to lose the serious grimdark image and actually tried any levity at all beyond dick jokes they may even be able to make us care about a character's death for once
>>71430041
Horses have this weird thing in berserk were they sort of match the riders expression. just look at that intense stare.
Also look here. >>71429527
I thought Puck was a female for a long time and had hardons.
>>71430070
Naha nigga.
There should be no cute scene in berserk.
It just makes no sense.
that is something only the japanese seem to like. And it is inherently stupid.
>>71430048
>The first chapter in the manga has supernatural fantasy elements
So does first chapter in GoT
>>71429071
His writing after the First Law has declined.
>>71429972
I'm reading it on Mangafox, I saved >>71429504 as I was reading.
I originally intended to buy it on my Kindle, but it wasn't there.
Does the dark horse translation have characters saying 'you guys' incessantly?
![latest[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/eCNkii1.png "latest[1].png")
>>71430074
>>71430070
I would be so pissed if Griffith doesn't die.
>>71430131
>Mangafox
How can you stand that?
Try this link. Please. For me
http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=Berserk
>>71430074
Except cgi griffith is making a grimacing pucker face and not a goofy low lipped smile
>>71430161
He is basically a different person at this point.
I find it hard to care about this Griffith.
The guy who sacrificed everyone died and that is just an emotionless husk.
>>71430161
Based Rickert
>>71430162
>http://mangasee.co/manga/?series=Berserk
Is this the dark horse translation?
I'll have to go back to mangafox to check which chapter I'm up to. Thanks anon.
>>71429122
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_fantasy
>>71430203
I think most of them are.
Here is the page you posted here >>71429504
in comparison.
>>71429075
>The Witcher 3
>GoT
Nah senpai
>>71429033
Prologue of GoT has ice zombies.
Literally the first scene of berserk has an apostle in it.
>>71429159
It's gone downhill, but I feel like it wouldn't be so bad if Miura wasn't releasing so irregularly. Right now we should just be in the downtime so Griffith can build Falconia and such, but it feels dragged out. The actual manga itself is still paced fine, but it doesn't feel that way. There's also the issue of his art taking a dive, hoepfully he'll get used to digital.
>>71430425
You mean the children bedtime story writer from England?
>>71430425
>image.jpg
>>71429033
Berserk hasn't meandered story-wise, it just feels like it because chapters take so fucking long to release, and the closer we get to the de-potatofication of Casca the longer it seems to take. In-universe time, it really wasn't that long ago Guts killed a fucking sea god.
>>71429504
I don't think he was always so bad, even at the much more light hearted point the manga's at now, it would still be fairly dark without some comic relief. The issue is that Miura doesn't know when to stop. I can understand Puck joking around when nothing's really happening, but when Guts was nearly dead from fighting the Sea God and Puck was still doing his dumb Yoda impersonation, it really ruined the tone.
It's gotten to the point where fucking weebs are openly and unironically discussing weebshit on /tv/. Fuck this. I'm done with this shit board. I'm going back to r/movies.
>>71431478
>>71431478
>Berserk hasn't meandered story-wise
What about the fucking pirates.
Even reading it in one go and without waiting that was stupid.
>>71429187
Well they definitely didn't teleport at least.
>>71429159
>>71429182
i am a huge fan but i have to agree... the last chapters were just not good.
>>71429033
Game of thrones does it better...Only the books though as the tv show has gone to shit when they ran out of source material.
Berserk is very straightforward with no complicated characters and intervened plotlines.
>>71429584
That scene in the movie after guts kills Adonis and has to fight his way out is actually one of the best and most accurate depictions of western swordfighting I've ever seen in anything, movie, game, tv, anime, anything. That alone makes the movies superior to the shitty anime which couldn't even bother to animate half the fights. Manga is still king obviously and both adaptations are shit overall shitty.
Even though it was CGI and looks like shit, Even though it was only a short scene, even though I can still pick it apart for all it's problems, it still managed to get sword fighting more accurate than literally all the multi-million dollar budgeted films in history that I've ever seen. Guts in this scene actually manages to look like a trained swordsman and this is the first time I can say that about any fictional sword fight.
Almost makes me wish the series could be reimagined and dropped the whole retarded big sword anime shit, move his primary weapon to a reasonably sized two-hander and keep hand and a half longsword around for scenes like this.
As much as teenage boys love Guts cutting people in plate armor and monsters in half, shit is tiring as fuck to watch/read when that all the fights turn into.
>>71431708
Fantasia really needs to pick up some steam.
I liked the Rickert Stuff at least. And maybe we actually get some Casca plot advancement.
I have been waiting for that for I think almost 10 years now and some japs probably almost 20 years.
I don't know much about anime. Is there any hope the new berserk anime will be good? Is it a good studio and is good talent attached to it?
>>71429474
holy shit i didn't know
i've never been this hype
>>71431794
>reimagine the whole thing
Or you know just introduce a different character with a smaller sword.
I like the cannon/huge sword shit.
>>71431794
Wow, the new Berserk game looks pretty shit
>>71431865
From what I can tell, it'll probably be pretty bad. It won't help that there's a good chance of censorship and they're cutting out Lost Children.
>>71431888
>Or you know just introduce a different character with a smaller sword.
Original characters donut steels are terrible. You should feel bad for even suggesting it.
>I like the cannon/huge sword shit.
Well that explains it.
>>71431794
No normal human could fight so smoothly with such a long sword over such a long peroid of time.
>>71431921
So you don't like Serpico?
>>71431444
Yes senpai, one of his books were for children. Did your daddy just finish reading it to you?
>>71431931
Guts is OP
the sword he usually fights with is bigger than he is
>>71431939
I'm excited to see him actually fight in the next movie but I don't have high exceptions.
I'm prepared for classic Hollywood style swashbuckling stage fighting shit with a bit more blood.
>>71431972
Wait.
Are we not talking about the manga here?
Have you not read the manga?
>>71429033
I really fucking hate anime dude thats why i come here fucking cartoons for children.
>>71431946
A-actually I have no dad. Had to read it myself. Much much later than it would be relevant for me.
But desu lotr is just a heavier hobbit. Same classic good vs evul, no greyscale, nothing interesting, you know how the story is going to end at the very beginning.
Oh shit a new chapter came 5 days ago
>>71432021
You're acting like a spoiled child right now.
>>71431967
I know. It is just that normally such weapons have clear strengths and weaknesses. Guts being guts just completely negates the weaknesses.
Like in the beginning of the webm he uses the sword to stab someone in the throat. I like that he holds the sword in both hands to do this, but it would still be highly impracticable for anyone but Guts.
>>71432056
Annnnnd nothing happens
>>71431921
You honestly don't like the idea of a big sword and a cannon and using it as recoil?
Why change that? I am not saying they should remove Serpico but why do they have change Guts?
>>71432071
You don't know about half swording?
>>71431794
>Parrying while holding an open hand behind the blade
That's going to sting.
>>71429159
Miura is depressed and doesnt want to do dark fantasy so we got guts and his wacky pack on a dnd quest
>>71432126
Look how Guts stabs the guy and tell me it is the same as that picture. Also the other guy just struck against Guts sword
>>71432090
After 5 years on a fucking ship I'm happy with anything
>>71432027
>no greyscale
Why is one of the only criticism that GoT fags can think of for Tolkien is "It's black and white, not Grey"? Tolkien was a hardcore catholic who believed that there was true good and evil in the world so he implemented that in his works. I'm sorry that Aragorn didn't brutally rape Eowyn after deciding to betray the Rohirrim so he could conquer Rohan as well.
>>71432184
Guts doesn't really know how to use a sword.
>>71432161
He also spent a hiatus year working on a miniseries about giants ('cuz kids are into that now) and a loli who heals people by peeing on them
>>71431931
If you want to nitpick the scene I could join in too because you're not doing a very good job. His stamina is the least of these scene's problems, Guts is our protagonist and if we're going to accept him as our hero he obviously has Heroic strength, skill, agiility, ect That's fine and kinda irrelevant to the depiction of the swordfighting itself furthermore the actions shown here aren't even that spectacular and are easily within the realm of human capability.
Most obvious issues are the technical ones, like the shitty looking CGI as I mentioned before. it's better than stills we got in the old anime but not by a lot. I also think making Guts use a longsword here is logical improvement as his giant one-of-a-kind sword would make him incredibly obvious which is an issue with both the manga and the old anime.
I don't like how the guards only come at Guts more or less one at a time though, I would I have liked to see this in a narrow a choke point like a hallway so they couldn't use their numbers advantage. How he manages to slit that guy's throat through his mail, I can accept the stab he did, but that cut is pretty ridiculous unless the mail is made from a modern material like aluminum and how he takes the dive from the top of the battlements, into deadly water after taking a wound, the fall looks a bit too high even for our hero but this is a fantasy world with magic healing pixie dust so infections are less of an issue.
>>71429033
Nearly everyone agrees Berserk is superior.
>>71429071
Just picked that up. Hopefully I'll like it.
I'd recommend Malazan myself. Doesn't have the "realism" aspect of ASoIaF and such, but the overarching themes and such are on a whole other level.
>>71432213
OK that's hilarious out of context
>>71432184
It's a standard thrust from a high guard, it's called an imbroccata in italian fencing and thrusting from ochs in german.
Please don't weight in on what's "practical" when you know nothing of the subject.
>>71432192
I'm not even a GoT fan, it just annoys me that whoever is set up to be bad stays bad and whoever is set up to be good stays good. And the bad guys are not even human and there is no way to relate to them, they are just one huge mass of evil.
And yeah, I appreciate Tolkien's attention to detail in creating his world and putting this shit together, but the story itself is nothing special.
>>71429033
No contest. Berserk shits on that subhuman, lardass incest Anglo bastard and his reddit-tier fanfiction "writing".
>>71432213
He knows exactly how to use a sword against plate armoured opponents.
>>71432100
He's used the trick too much already, that there is like the fourth time alone.
There just isn't much you can really do with it and all the readers know it's in his bag of tricks. The huge sword is limiting, and far too many encounters get wrapped up with a single two page spread of guts cutting down 10 monsters in a single stroke.
>>71432286
I guess was just have to agree to disagree anon. I'm not going to lie I'm pretty damn biased toward Tolkien, but I just enjoyed the story and its theme, its heart. GoT's nice too though.
>>71431408
>digital
>>71432329
Yeah but you are suggestion to reboot berserk and change guts and make it more grounded.
I think there is more potential for interesting stuff with the cannon and huge sword than there is with just a normal sword.
And again it is not like Berserk doesn't also completely take advantage of stuff with a normal sword.
You are suggesting removing the big stuff but you are not adding anything.
considering serpico and even guts used normal swords pretty excessively.
This >>71432213 is really recent as far as chapters go.
>>71432317
Mörderschlag is using the sword like a hammer and hitting the enemy.
Guts ist using the advanced method of Augenschlag (augen = eye). Impressive.
>>71432158
Not really, pushing isn't what cuts it's sliding, a chapping edge is a different angle than a cutting edge, half swording is a thing and you can parry and deliver strong blows while holding a sword by it's blade while taking no harm to your hands even with a firm grip on the blade.
The issue I do have is we see on edge on edge contact here with sparks, normally if you parry a blow you take it on the flat not the edge.
>>71431986
I'm talking about seeing it in motion, still images are one thing but how they animate it is another.
>>71431408
>The actual manga itself is still paced fine
>8 pages published per year
>>71432332
I don't even fully disagree with you, I was just being dickish in my first post.
>>71432480
>>8 pages published per year
Hey is this a Gantz thread?
>>71432482
Yeah sorry, shouldn't have called you a child. Once you're here for long enough you have feel like you have to go for the bants when someone disagrees with you.
How can I watch Berserk in decent quality?
>>71432566
Get a Desktop computer.
>>71432566
You read it first.
Both adaptations are a bonus to fans but not something to replace the manga.
>>71432480
It is still fine, it's just never published. If you only read Berserk once it finished the boat and such wouldn't seem like such a slog, it's still not as good as the rest of the manga, but the pacing is still fine. How often it's released is shitty, but is different from the pacing.
>>71432566
If you don't like reading manga don't bother with berserk.
>>71432610
You're better off reading the manga, but if you insist on watching the series, just wait until the new one starts. I remember reading somewhere that they are going to release the old one remastered then as well.
>>71432437
The way it's animated the hand is held open and away from the blade and a the hit is taken straight on which would result in your hand taking a very strong hit. It's probably just the shit cgi.
>normally if you parry a blow you take it on the flat not the edge.
Literally just john clements wankery, it's not normal at all to instantly twist the sword for every parry and expect the opponent to do the same, let alone the fact that manuals often depict edge on edge and chipped edges are more common than chipped flats in historical blades, parrying with the flat is an option but not the norm at all.
>>71432400
I don't think it's inherently awful, but it's a terrible choice for Miura. He was so good at traditional art and now he's switching over to a format which he has next to no experience with.
>>71432625
>If you only read Berserk once it finished the boat and such wouldn't seem like such a slog
I disagree.
I just recently read it all through again and the boat stuff slogs even without a terrible update schedule.
I swear if these god damn pirates appear again I am going to lose my shit.
>>71432656
If he has talent he will get used to different tools
>>71432645
>>71432566
Goddamn wrong dude at first.
If you are going to read it, dont bother with the absurdly bad fan translations and instead look for a Dark Horse scan torrent on BakaBT or something.
>>71431574
and nothing of value was lost
Who will play him?
Why doesn't /tv/ read?
>>71432810
>>71432838
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2197889/Michael-Clarke-Duncan-death-Green-Mile-actor-54-dies-months-severe-heart-attack.html
>>71432661
I also re-read it recently as well, and I didn't find it too bad. Like I said, it still wasn't as good as the rest of the manga, but it wasn't abysmal either and the stuff with Griffith and Rickert kept things interesting.
>>71432810
Michael Fassbender
>>71432817
>genre crap
>reading
Pick one homo
I tried to get into Berserk and just couldn't. I don't have much taste for manga or anime anymore really, no matter how it's drawn or written. I couldn't say why, I just don't care for it anymore.
It's not because "I'm an adult", because I'll still watch old cartoons I liked as a kid every once in awhile when I've got nothing else to do, but for some reason I just can't get into it at all.
So for me, I'd say GoT.
>>71432850
>stuff with Griffith and Rickert kept things interesting.
But isn't that admitting that the boat stuff is bad?
>>71432875
As if /tv/ would read anything at all.
>>71432848
aww man I didn't know
>>71432245
>Malazan
Too bad there's so many fucking characters its near impossible to keep track of anything
>>71432810
Morgan Freeman
Although for the hollywood production guts will be played by an african american lesbian and the magical negro will be a racist white guy.
>>71432875
Fuck of /lit/ fag, you are not a true intellectual if you dismiss something for being "genre crap"
>>71431408 >>71432400 >>71432656
Is he really going digital? (source interview pls?) The color stuff is obvious and noticeably worse, but the actual comic pages look OK (though I'm mostly been reading shitty filtered-up scanlations, so I can't really tell, pic unrelated, it's older)
Digital is mostly used as an imitation tool with convenient built-in shortcuts though, wouldn't really say it's a medium in its own right with its own technique requirements and learning curve, but all-digital artists tend to rationalize it like that.
Dude is beast to begin with, he'll get to his analog level in no time
>>71432888
Yes, but I'm referring to that sequence as a whole. The boat stuff was quite bad, but it never went on so long, and it was never so bad that I had had enough because it would then switch out to Griffith and/or Rickert. The pacing would have been bad if not for the fact that the story started following them, but because it did, the pacing was fine.
>>71432924
Does it get much worse then in later books? I'm almost done with the second one right now and can probably remember every name so far.
Are you sure you're not just a typical GoT normie who is just bad at remembering names or plotlines?
>>71429275
Fucking Two Best Friends will not shut up about this. Is it any good?
>>71432951
Read the latest chapter it's his first chapter of berserk after moving to full digital.
This is the first time we see elfhelm, the place we've been waiting to see for years and this is how it looks.
This is a Shirow tier transition.
>>71432951
I don't have any source, but you can tell jut from looking at the most recent chapter. Look aht when they're walking together in groups, most characters share a model that's just flipped and edited to suit whichever direction they're going. There's also a noticeable lack of detail as compared to his usual art.
>>71433107
>is jojo any good
Yes
>>71433025
Fair enough.
I like the Rickert stuff but maybe only because I love Rakshas.
I misunderstood you and thought you meant that the boat stuff isn't bad and we only think it is because of the update schedule.
>>71433108
I thought that's just the scan being shit. It looks like a blob
>>71433108
Fucking dropped
>>71433156
It is not the scan.
>>71433107
Yes, but you'll get a wide variety of opinions saying which parts are good and which are bad. If you choose to read it, I'd advise you to just push through any parts you're not really enjoying that much rather than skipping them. The best parts are 7 and 4.
>>71433156
Look at the rest of the image, look at the detail on the tree in the foreground.
The scans are shit, but they're not that shit.
>>71432924
>>71433041
>that whole children-snake-tail arc
I am still mad to this day.
These books were like 60% filler
>>71429033
>meandering as fuck
the shows/movies have always been pretty tight desu
>>71433248
Miura was the last bastion of traditional manga craftsmanship.
Instead of the animations raising to the quality of the manga we're going the opposite direction, fuck this gay earth.
>even comparing GoT to Berserk
It's not even a contest.
>>71429115
I would love for there to be a Berserk and Dresden Files series. Both deserve GOOD adaptions and not the shit both got.
Discworld deserves more movies too.
>>71433300
Yusuke Murata also goes for traditional/digital hybrid and his stuff looks pretty great most of the time. Maybe Miura will also find a good working balance
>>71433457
> Discworld movies
Nah, let Discworld rest. It's one of the few examples of source material for which I believe the "unfilmable" label to be legitimate
>>71433579
the Going Postal movie was very good.
>>71432810
>>71431708
>the last chapters were just not good.>Rickert slapping Griffith the fuck out was not good
>>71433579
yusuke murata is pretty based.
instead of comparing got with berserk, i think Kingdom manga is more on the level of got.
berserk is far superior than both. kingdom is a little better than got.
>>71433410
It's more of aGame
>>71431794
>actually one of the best and most accurate depictions of western swordfighting I've ever seen in anything, movie, game, tv, anime, anything
More accurate than Maria the Virgin Witch?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tFOJFyTl1U
>>71429033
>Berserk is a masterpiece
>/got/ is just some tv show
no contest.
>>71429333
>animation was laughable and characters were fairly one-dimensional
you're a retard
I dare you to tell me a moral dilemma from GoT on the same level as Griffith sacrificing everybody or everything in the Conviction Arc.
>>71433224
>Not 5 and 2
Beserk is actually a respectable artwork in a medium where shit is standard and anything that smells roughly good is considered a classic
It doesn't have a big overarching ethos or immeasurable threads complicated Plot lines but it's simplicity is kinda what makes it tolerable, I still think it would've been better as a graphic novel than a manga because of the story structure that manga requires detracts from the experience and prevents it from being really good
>>71434853
>anything that isn't grimdark or 3deep5u is shit
So how old are you?
>>71434908
Will YOU be 18 thissummer?
Berserk
Not even a contest
>>71429033
Berserk, by the virtue of being made by a single author, is obviously better because of the more cohesive narrative.
>>71433457
Dresden could really be a popular normie show because of how digestible it is, but a network like Netflix could really make something of of it
I feel like they really fucked up with the Hellblazer show by not having it just be Dresden files, Hellblazer is a way darker and grittier show that needed some edge to it that can't be on network tv, Dresden files could've been the network tv Hellblazer
>>71429159
>is that it was god tier, but went to complete shit and won't be completed in this lifetime.
So... Just like Asoif?
>>71432213
That's how you fight plate armored opponents tho
Blunt force trauma and surgical strikes
>>71434853
Because dude who wrote it is a westaboo.
Berserk is a masterpiece and I'm not even a weeb
>>71434923
Will you?
>>71434981
Was. Berserk was clearly better when it was influenced by Western films. And I'm not talking about the plot, but rather the atmosphere and characters.
>>71432875
>He took the bait about "genre caps"
A sign of true pleb who limits himself.
>>71432184
it's the same technique but different hit location pic related
>>71434908
I never said that
In fact most of the good mangas are the ones that don't pretend it's a disposable medium
Light hearted affairs that are funny regardless of social context or porn or harem shit
>>71429033
>Berserk
>realistic
It has a guy wielding a 7-foot-sword and taking out 100 men in his early career. It's not realistic in the slightest. That's before the demons and shit.
>>71429052
How can it be smaller in scale when Griffith basically became a god and remade the world? His Falconia is now some magical kingdom and the world is filled with demons, fantasy monsters, witches etc. Not to mention the Kushan Empire and Midland's big war.
>>71435042
Well you can't expect good quality after he overdosed with shit like im@s.
>>71434982
Berserk isn't a masterpiece. It's funny but the manga could be easily improved. All you need is a good director with some vision and NO HUMOR.
>inb4 edgelord
Humor just doesn't fit this story. Berserk should be more like its main inspiration Excalibur. Or like Lang's Die Nibelungen.
>>71429075
>Game of Thrones hasn't stagnated to the point Berserk has yet.
GoT sure didn't stagnate.
It became completely fucking retarded instead.
>>71432161
As someone who grew up with Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights I'm ok with that.
>>71434982
It got steadily worse as the series progressed
The first few arcs were really good Tho
>>71434801
>Not 6 and 8
>>71434801
5 is great, but the only really good thing about 2 is Joseph. The Pillar Men are the worst antagonists in the series, side characters completely miss out on their potential so Joseph can have the spotlight, the art was mediocre at best and I was starting to get tired of Hamon asspulls.
>>71429033
Dudebros will start say "hurr anime" but seriously got is shit and Berserk is legitimately good.
I stopped watching got after the first season. It fucking sucks and is some of the most normie shit of all time, I can't believe anyone on 4chan seriously watches it.
>>71435227
I liked 6, but the ending is just mixed feelingsI hate the fact that basically everything that happened before meant nothing, but I can understand the point for rebooting
>>71435241
Joseph alone makes part 2 top tier, also Stroheim is best broseph
>>71435323
*best bro-jo
>>71431794
This nigga knows what's up about the swordplay.
However in the Anime's defense, it had a horrifyingly small budget like most anime of that period. AND it had to fit the entire Golden Age in a single season. It hit the emotional beats and the grand scale, plus the terrifying ending correctly and for the most part that's all that matters.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLMimcmxIdk
WHY
>>71435425
>Le cgi is bad, why doesn't everything have the budget like Afro Samurai
>>71435142
Golden-age shows off very realistic fighting. And anyone not Guts tier or higher still does.
>>71435378
Anime has always been low budget, and budget is not what determines the production quality of a show or at least isn't very important. Berserk was also cel animation which was of course much slower than today's digital production.
>>71429119
Yeah. Also, considering Skyrim is some sort of "benchmark" in the genre and it's narrative is absolute dogshit.
>>71435425
>WHY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2rV8oKWSdM
>>71435478
He was talking about fights being cut, and the budget absolutely determines this.
>>71435459
>Le cgi is bad
It fucking is.
yeah beserk is better, also goat ending, yeah you cant just casually cut people down without essentially going to hell, war destroys even the best
unlike GoT which is just top lel swordfighting where all the shittiest characters (actors on the lowest paychecks) are invulnerable and 'good guys' like briene cut people down without giving a shit
>>71435502
I rather have cgi than the "4 frames a second" anime
>>71435582
Not Japanese CGI.
>>71435577
This is a massive problem I have with both the show and the books. Either you die, or you're perfectly fine in GoT.
