I don't get it
>>71368766
It was obvious. Who else could it have been?
She read the script
She's not dumb.
>>71368813
Anybody really. It's not like bombing half the nobles in the country is a standard political move.
Wouldn't like, pretty much everyone in King's Landing be freaking out if Cersei was just like "yeah it was me I murdered hundreds of people lol"
why didnt cercei claim the king died at the sept with all the others? nobody would blame her for it blowing up and people would actually side with her. Jewish writers dont want to bring attention to false flag operations?
Why did she parlay with people who wiped out their own house to help her?
>>71368895
Didn't you watch the rest of the season? Apparently nobody cares about indiscriminate murders.
>>71368895
no
if the queen mother did that then declared herself the new ruler you'd fucking shit yerself
>>71368951
Who is going to rebel against a bitch crazy enough to blow everyone up? Jamie wasn't around to do it
>>71368766
conjecture
A number of the people that threatened Cersei died at an event that she and her son were to attend.
Why don't you ask in one of the other hundred GoT threads already posted?
>>71368985
The rest of the faith and the fuckton of citizens loyal to them
>>71368895
>Anybody really. It's not like bombing half the nobles in the country is a standard political move.
It's like what Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit the most.
>Wouldn't like, pretty much everyone in King's Landing be freaking out if Cersei was just like "yeah it was me I murdered hundreds of people lol"
Apparently not, they just crowned her queen even though she committed regicide. But this is GoT and D&D we're talking about here, they won't let logic get in the way of taking the plot where they want it to go.
Listen to Margaery you dolts
>Where's Cercei
>She knows the consequences of her missing the trial
>Everyone out, it's a trap
Gee, what person in History planned on blowing up the seat of government with everyone inside?
>>71369529
Anonymous?
>>71368766
Seriously? Cersei is absent at the trial and then suddenly a massive attack than only someone of high power could orchestrate happens?
>>71369073
The smallfolk are not that concerned with religion. Especially now that they'll be too busy barely surviving the winter.
EVERYONE KNOWS WHO DID IT
The question is how long Cersei can stay on the throne, when all she has is the Mountain and Qyburn supporting her.
I'm just so glad, I couldn't give less of a shit about any of the tyrells besides based olenna
and then she even btfo each of the sand sneks in one scene, so amazing
>>71368923
the sand snakes?
>>71368766
like every character she can teleport
Why is everyone dressing goth now?
because tommen wasn't in the building
I wish my grandma had been that badass.
>>71368766
.....
are you fucking kidding.
>>71371393
Her son and grandchildren just died, dressing in black is traditional for a period of time in mourning.
>>71369073
>The rest of the faith and the fuckton of citizens loyal to them
If your Imaginary Celestial Friends don't protect your "pope" and his followers. the followers either deserved it or your Sky Fairies were bogus. Bit of a blow to morale.
>>71368766
>Cersei's conveniently not at her trial
>Cersei is now queen after all her enemies get killed
>geeze, I wonder.
Even if she were wrong, she'd be dumb to not make that assumption.
>>71368766
Pretty much everyone with a well functioning brain knows it was Cersei.
>>71368895
Everyone in King's Landing was in the sept though. Everyone who matters. The rabble are shitting their pants -- if she had the balls to kill the big guys, what would she do to them?
If this were the book though, it wouldn't be that simple. Some form of resistance would be there.
>>71369529
But he was blowing up the seat of government in the name of the church so they could foot more power over the world.
>Bitter rival for the past season
>She had just been outmaneuvered with manipulation causing Tommen to ban trials by combat
>On the day of her trial, the only two people who weren't there, that should have been, were Tommen and Cersei
>And Tommen died
GEE BOSS, WHO COULD IT BE?
>>71369330
>It's like what Lenin said, you look for the person who will benefit the most.
The principle has been around at least since Rome.
>>71368895
In Kingslanding?
No, its mostly Lanisters, and anyone who didn't support the Lanisters outright is dead.
Now everyone else in Westeros is probably freaking out though.
But then again, many are just tired of war, not to mention look at Dorne were a bunch of stronk wymoen have just taken over. The realm is anything but stable.
>>71372376
L. Cassius ille quem populus Romanus verissimum et sapientissimum iudicem putabat identidem in causis quaerere solebat 'cui bono' fuisset.
>>71368895
>everyone is in the sept
>for cersei's trial
>she doesn't go to the trial
>her son doesn't go to the trial
>shit blows up
>son kills himself
gee i wonder who did it!
why wasnt Olenna at the trial?
>>71372522
She was sent back to highgarden a few episodes ago.
>>71372522
Margarita told her to fuck off to Highgarden for her own safety and she did.
>>71372570
oh right right. how convenient
>>71372519
>no king
>no queen
>margaery making some very good arguments
seriously, when margaery goes mad and asks everyone to run out, why sept stops them?
also why sept stops anyone anyway? I can understand he stops loras or margaery because of trial but why the crowd?
>>71368766
Everyone knew. She's not even hiding it. She's not hiding shit anymore. She's gonna start openly fucking her brother too. There's no one left to punish her in kingslanding.
She's got an army and the guards plus she just scared the shit out of them by fire bombing her enemies. If you were in kl you wouldn't do shit yourself. Maybe some would abandon but it's their only home plus winter is coming.
Cersei's ruling from absolute fear rn. And only ruling kl. Dorne and tyrells, vale, tullys now that frey are dead, starks, now targs and greyjoys, and the ironbank are all against her. It's likely gonna all come against her at once and she'll be shouting for them to burn down the throne.
>>71372606
She had margaritas and drunk stepped back to Hoegaarden? Fuck she is amazing. Iron throne material to the last.
>>71368766
Because D&D know the major plot points but have no idea how to get to them.
>>71372658
He was confused and wondering what kind of game she's trying to play.
Dude's a bit of a control freak, in case you haven't noticed.
>>71372661
>It's likely gonna all come against her at once and she'll be shouting for them to burn down the throne.
Now it's pretty much confirmed that she and Jaime are the Mad King's children.
>>71373104
>Now it's pretty much confirmed
retard
>>71373104
>jaime becoming queenslayer too
I want this somehow
>>71372606
>Margarita
Latina Smirkfu?
I could get behind that, if ya know what I mean.
You guys forget that Cersei has whatever of the Lannister army that wasn't taken with Jaime there. She likely has the goldcloaks as well. She also has zombie mountain.
>>71373354
I've always wanted to ask, how many men do you think Zombie Mountain could take on by himself?
>>71372802
truth
>>71373406
Nineteen good men at most
>>71373406
you better fuckin believe the sand snake STRONG WOMYN are gonna ice him
>>71368895
>Wouldn't like, pretty much everyone in King's Landing be freaking out if Cersei was just like "yeah it was me I murdered hundreds of people lol"
That's exactly what they're doing. Do you think the nobles in the city let Cersei become queen because it made sense? They're terrified. She just destroyed House Tyrell, the Faith, (as far as everyone knows) her own son, dozens of other nobles, and hundreds of commoners. She's gone completely insane, and the next person to even look at her the wrong way is getting killed.
>>71373406
Probably about a dozen at once
>>71373406
>>71373578
this will be true and I already feel sad. I can't imagine a single scenario him being killed by sneks but it will probably happen.
probably some asspull poison bullshit maybe
>>71371393
Olenna was in mourning, she's all that's left of her house basically.
As for Cersei, she's just evil
>Darth Cersei
>>71373406
depends if they draw him into gin ally or not
>>71372661
but the whole threat of the high sparrow was that he had untold numbers of followers willing to die for the seven, that's why everyone was scared of him for 2 seasons
now he is dead those followers would jihad for the seven, not pussy out
>>71373693
>>now he is dead those followers would jihad for the seven, not pussy out
lel, there will be not a mention of those followers in next seasons
>>71373751
>D&D in charge of plot
if it was as easy as just killing the king sparrow and his buddies they would have just done it when he kidnapped and imprisoned the queen, not like it would have been hard with the goldcloaks + lannister troops
but they didn't, because they were scared of a huge revolt, now suddenly the revolt doesnt matter because of plot convenience?
>>71368766
i bet she still does great handjobs
>>71373406
>men
lol
>>71373693
>but the whole threat of the high sparrow was that he had untold numbers of followers willing to die for the seven, that's why everyone was scared of him for 2 seasons
>now he is dead those followers would jihad for the seven, not pussy out
He had followers that had been weaponized and empowered by the crown to act by cersei. They were pretty much ruling my fear and humiliation themselves. They also only had the sept locked down in power. Kept marg there till tommen came in making a deal. The streets were rather open and vulgar as they'd always been. Their power was basically just their men, humiliation/intimidation, and the crown saying they could.
Now their numbers are more than halved, no one fears them as much as they fear cersei, sept as a powerbase is gone, no people left to ransom for power, leader dead. They can't jihad for shit since they don't have firepower.
Some might be seen leaving kl but that's it. They were never really fighters. Just kinda gatherers that used their numbers and politicking to gain power but numbers are too small now and politicking is dead to fire.
>>71368923
The tyrells were staunch supporters of the targaeryens, they were the ones that sieged storms end and kept stannis out of the fight
>>71373899
>but they didn't, because they were scared of a huge revolt, now suddenly the revolt doesnt matter because of plot convenience?
yes, as you said
>>D&D in charge of plot
It is correct to say sparrows didn't even exist at this point.
>>71373104
Does Jaime kill the Mad Queen?
>>71374080
Jaime is going to choke her to death, my man
>>71368902
She's an idiot. This is pretty much on point and true to her character. She's no Tywin.
>>71374080
>implying it isnt like poetry
>implying each sansa doesnt rhyme with the last
>>71374121with his cock
>>71373406
Arya kills him.
>>71368766
The culprit was already on the iron throne the next day, idiot.
>>71368902
Cersei isn't that clever, it's been established in the show time and time again
so was the mountain going to rape that nun lady?
>>71368766
What happened to her other grandson? Willas?
>>71373899
Im expecting there will be a massive revolt next season
I dont expect Cersi to last much longer.
>>71374353
nah he just needed someone to talk to
>>71373578
>I am Obara Sand, you keeled my father, prepare to die
>>71368813
people say it's obvious then say in the same breath that no one knows cersei did it and that's why the commoners aren't revolting
>>71374399
Probably written out of the show
>>71374735
most are saying it's obvious and that's why commoners aren't doing shit. she's burning fucks alive. she's going by queen cersei lanister instead of baratheon. she has the whole guard protecting her back. the guard only give a fuck about their paycheck that's coming from the crown and lannisters.
>>71374948
if it's obvious to everyone, then it doesn't matter what the situation is. she blew up the pope. every religious man in the guard (hint nearly all of them) would be questioning their loyalty. every lanniester, every baratheon, every guard every soldier down to every peasant would have been affected by what she did
enough pissed off commoners is enough to cause a revolt. a bunch of pissed off commoners managed to kill dragons, I dont think that the few lannisters inexplicably loyal to cersei is going to matter much
>"Queen of Thorns, can you help me fuck shit up?"
>"Well, everything I say implies I'm going to do something about my trial, and now you and your family are also my enemy"
She would have to be as stupid as OP to not know it was Cersei. Also Wildfire, Tommen's death, Pycelle unrelated death, etc.
>>71374407
I think she will threaten the city and rule by fear like mad King Aerys. No one will step out of line in the city now.
It's pretty obvious they know how to brew their own wildfire now, so she can hide barrels all under the city.
>>71375027
>expecting this show to be logical
>>71369430
Or she just ran away which is infinitely more likely than what happened
>>71369864
How would anyone know she was absent at the trial? The witnesses all blew up.
>>71375312
Probably because she's alive you moron
>>71373406
Depends on what the plot requires. Could be anywhere from 1000 men or 1 stab to the stomach.
>>71375393
She could have left early
>>71375027
the show universe follows the logic that religion is an inert and inconsequential thing unless stirred to life by a dangerous fanatic, at which point it quickly turns into a sort of socio-political wildfire that destroys everything until it stops or burns itself out
religion being a strong and largely benign presence in the daily life of pre-industrial peoples is not something the show writers care to depict, unless it serves as a backdrop for the next cheap shock value scene
>>71375027
kl is already a pretty irreligious place. people pray but it's a given assumption that before wanna be pope showed up that people weren't that great about it. there's also different levels of extremism. like that guy out in the fields had a much chiller version of worshiping the seven than pope guy. the red priestesses in meeren have a different interpretation of it all than melisandre.
like in the real world if you killed the pope today plenty of catholics would be pissed but plenty catholics would think "good fuck was too political and sjw" and then there's catholics that would think "good he was homophobic jeerk"
and that's assuming catholics are serious catholics. plenty just are catholic in name only. vaguely believe in god and saints out of habit but wouldn't fight for it and only go to church on holidays.
kl before pope guy seemed to have an issue with being corrupt and not religious enough. hence pope guy coming in bitching. so plenty of the semi-royal families didn't give a fuck about pope guys leave-your-earthly-positions-behind shit. plenty commoners might pay lip service but really just wanna survive winter and not die. guards might have some faith but more are just gonna give a fuck about staying alive and getting paid.
>>71372007
>>71368766
>complaining about this
>not complaining about Arya's teleporting and being a faceless assassin being the dumbest piece of shit D&D has made yet.
>destroys their most holy site and kills the most important people in the city
>well I guess shes queen now lol
>>71375595
yes okay i understand that there can be dissenting views you don't need to devote two paragraphs to explaining that to me
thing is the high sparrow is known for bringing the common people together and is known for being liked by the commoners
sure not every commoner has to be religious but there would be quite a large amount of religious followers of the faith that would be pissed off, definently enough to cause a revolt
i'd argue they wouldnt even need to be religious to cause a revolt, anyone who puts two and two together would be pissed off at cersei
>>71368766
Because Olenna isn't retarded.
The commoners probably know Cersei did it but they're so terrified of her that they don't do anything. That or there is behind camera revolting.
>>71375712
This bitch needs to be crucified upside down just for that face.
Also Gone Homo.
>>71373406
You mean Frankenberry?
>>71372236
considering the current state of the world, I can't help but think we would have been better off if he had succeeded
>>71368766
>Powerful woman decides to not show up to her trial that just so happens to explode in wildfire and destroy all of her enemies
huh, really makes you think....
truly a game of thrones...
who did it???
>>71368766
She killed Cersei's son talking to the woman that killed Cersei's daughter. Yet here she is bitching about Cersei killing her grand children. What a blind bitch.
>>71375748
Honestly can't tell if you're talking about Cercei or Dani
>>71377265
>cersei doesn't show up
>could be a million reasons why
>fuck your gods sparrow, we need to go now lol there's a bomb
>>71368766
YOU IDIOT!!
the green stuff in the explosion was a giveaway
>>71368895
Literally what are they going to do about it?
The Kings Landing guard follows whoever feeds and pays them. As of the bombing, that's only Cersei. They'll probably roll right the fuck over as soon as someone else comes into the picture.
Are you the type of person that asks why peasants don't simply overthrow dictators in third world countries?
All her enemies in one building died during her trial that neither her nor her son or allies attended..
Hmm.. Why wouldn't anyone suspect her
>>71373406
Depends. They'd probably have to hack him to bits. So if it's a narrow hallway where they can't surround him, he could last a long-ass time. If it's an open field and they have big shields, they could probably just swarm him until he's immobile and hack him up.
>>71375476
You'd notice the Queen's escort moving to and from somewhere.
Cersei made a mistake imo not saving The 3 Tyrells.
Have someone go in there or slip Marg a note saying "get out right after Loras has his trial".
Then she keeps a much needed ally. Instead she has yet another enemy.
>>71377031
>being this much of a mad virgin
>>71368766
Why does Game of Thrones have PoC? I don't watch Game of Thrones but that clearly is a women in a hijab.
>>71379720
that's pretty fucking stupid. The Tyrells have betrayed and disrespected her every chance they got, her only mistake was not managing to kill the old bitch too. Also, I really hate the actors that played Loras and Margery, so that's a plus.
>>71374243
holy shit this. I cant wait.
>>71379720
Cersei doesn't make good decisions. It's been 6 seasons of them.
>>71379829
fuck off, reddit.
>>71379831
>>71379836
It's going to be retarded just like everything has become with her this season. She's like the Disney character except she goes CUH-RAZY! She should start dressing like a Hot Topic girl too
>>71368766
well, the sept was bombed when cersei's trial was supposed to be going on... and only cersei wasn't there. are you following?
>>71371393
GoT is moving forward into the post medieval era. Renaissance soon.
>>71372519
Obviously Tommen ordered it, then consumed with guilt and remorse, he killed himself. Cersei's the only remaining "Baratheon" from Robert's reign, hence she gets the throne. She'll have to marry and produce an heir, though, I wonder if she's thought that far ahead.
Varys used his time turner and they went back in time and saw the bombing
>>71379964
>applying real life time periods to a fictional fantasy show
>>71379889
That feel when the average show watcher apparently doesn't understand time lapse and that things aren't taking place within the same day, week, or month?
if stannis had just hung out on dragonstone for a few more years he'd be on the iron throne right now
>>71380088
>>71372802
>Because D&D know the major plot points but have no idea how to get to them.
The truest thing ever said in a got thread.
>>71373066
>He was confused and wondering what kind of game she's trying to play.
>Dude's a bit of a control freak, in case you haven't noticed.
Yep, this is precisely why he got smirku killed. If she hadn't of said anything and just walked out, she'd have been ok because she wasn't actually a prisoner (had been 'redeemed' already), involving the high sparrow, which was kind of necessary to get Loras, meant that he wouldn't let her go without his say so.
>>71373693
>but the whole threat of the high sparrow was that he had untold numbers of followers willing to die for the seven, that's why everyone was scared of him for 2 seasons
>now he is dead those followers would jihad for the seven, not pussy out
Those followers needed to be at the sept to prevent Cersei pulling some shit. They got blown the fuck up.
There might be some random rabble left but nothing that gold cloaks can't massacre and Cersei will be all about massacring sparrows now. They're not organised enough to resist an army any more.
>>71373966
>The tyrells were staunch supporters of the targaeryens, they were the ones that sieged storms end and kept stannis out of the fight
The Martells also supported the targs too.
Hating Lannisters and supporting Targs are the only two things that they have in common other than a permanent border skirmish I guess.
So now their two common interests are much greater than any past differences and they're Team Targ.
>>71374243
>Arya kills him.
He's probably not easily killed by a throat cut, I'm not sure she really can. I guess she could lure him into some sort of wyldfire trap or something.
The sneks probably can't kill a zombie either, there's no guarantee that poison still works against him. They'd be capable of hamstringing, entangling and eventually dismembering him I guess, he might take a few of them with him.
>>71380175
>Those followers needed to be at the sept to prevent Cersei pulling some shit.
But the scene directly before is Lancel and the most devout rolling out to the Red Keep and then calling in even more reinforcements. They knew The Mountain blew them out the last time so they would have brought a lot of them to bear. The should be a good number of them left.
>>71373406
he's gonna get BBQ'd by a dragon if cleganebowl doesn't happen
>Arya is right where one of the Lannisters, and for all she knows the one who had her mother and brother killed, is also
>lets him go
>>71369330
Actually, I believe what he said was, "I am the walrus".
>>71379622
So, as long as he's in King's landing, it's near impossible that he gets killed...
>>71372658
i mean lets be honest, everyone was dead even if they escaped the moment she figured it out
What the fuck was his fucking problem?
>>71380403
Fuck
>>71379997
I think the show alluded to her menopausal state now. She'll cut a deal with Euron to try to fuck Danysue up, and he'll plan to kill her when he wins. When he gets burninated she'll try to nuke more of the city but Jaime will become a Queenslayer because prophecy and pottery etc.
>>71380495
he senses salsa's unhappiness and is going to scheme with her to backstab jon
>>71380495
There was no chaosh
>A CITADEL OF HELLISH FIRE, WORTHY OF MY MASTER
>A MONUMENT TO ENTOMB THE SOULS OF ALL WHO DEFY US!
what did Qyburn mean by this?
She has the entire kings guard faggot
>>71368895
are you retarded? all the poor people loved the cult fucks, Tommen sucked their cock too, literally the only one who didn't like them was Cersei and Frankenstein's monster
>>71374353
>so was the mountain going to rape that nun lady?
After the massive PR backlash when Jaime and Cersei had some sex without a consent form filled out in triplicate, actual rape isn't going to be very common on the show. It's left to the imagination.
>>71380738
I thought Sansa's rape scene was more of a PR backlash than Jaime and Cersei's.
>>71368766
Well everyone would know that the King jumped out his window and killed himself. Also that he wasn't there for some random reason?
Lastly she'd find out Cersei was crowned queen.
I think with these alone, any single person in this series could have guessed and figured out what happened, Hodor included.
>>71380059
>not understanding what the books are based on
>>71372236
It's more like so the Catholics would stop being persecuted.
>>71369529
4chan guy
>>71380882
I bet you get triggered when they have people in plate and others in chain mail
>>71381029
Wat
Anyone with half a brain would've realized it was Cersei
>>71369330
You're a fucking retard. They didn't "just crown her king". There is literally no one else with a legal claim. All her kids are dead and Baratheons are still the ruling family. She is the last living Baratheon by marriage to the fucking King, ergo the Queen is the ruler until she remarries or produces another heir.
Also there isn't a shred of fucking evidence that she is responsible for the bombing to every isn't just "ok with it." They just can't prove shit.
There is no bit of dialogue she mentions that she knows about blowing at cept. Literally 0
She talks about her other lost members of family if she knew marg and loras she will mad as fuck
Most of the people who were killed were likely nobles do you think their families will try to get revenge?
>>71368923
YOU CAN'T FUCKING CALL IT CHAMPAGNE IF IT'S FROM FUCKING CALI FUCKING FORNIA
>>71368766
>Almost all of Cersei's enemies conveniently killed on the same day in Kings Landing.
>How did she know
lol
>>71368766
>winter came to westeros
>summer to 4chan
pottery
Everyone knows she did it.
But there is wildfire hidden all over kings landing.
All the citizens are now hostages.
Sounds like a job for superjamie
>>71368850
Underrated
How did she already know of the bombing when it happened literally 10 minutes prior?
How did Varys go from Dorne to on a ship with Dany in middle of the sea?
How did Arya manage to make it all the way to the Twins, infiltrate and murder a bunch of grown men in their own keep without anyone taking her down in the same space of time?
Why hasn't Jon or Sansa done literally anything in the same timeframe?
How come Olenna managed to get news of the bombing yet Jaime and seemingly everyone else outside of Kings Landing and Dorne had no knowledge?
>>71368813
And people still deny the Bush administration did 9/11
>>71381140
She was crowned Cersei Lannister, first of her name.
>>71380495
I think he might have been hoping for the north to rally under Sansa rather than Jon? I dunno.
One question. Where the fuck was Brienne for the past two episodes? So much for pledging to be by Sansas side
>>71368813
Seriously
>Cercei's on trial
>the court is blown up
>Cercei and her son are the only two people who don't die
>Tommen jumps out a window
>"Gee I wonder what fucking happened"
>>71381359
She was sent to riverrun to fetch blackfish.. no?
So now that Jon will soon know his true origin he can go on to be king with Sansa as his queen right?
I just want to see her have sex happily for once
>>71379997
then why was he stopped from leaving his room?
>>71369330
Who is gonna stop her? Most of the nobles got blown up and those who didn't either side with the Lannisters or dont have the power to fight her.
>>71381359
>>71381397
They completely fucked up the chronology of that episode because they wanted to jam so much in. By the time Varys sailed to Dorne and back she apparently hadn't yet returned from Riverrun
>>71373406
S N E K S
>>71381397
That was a gorillian days ago. No way can varys teleport from dorne and back to danny and arya from braavos to westeros when Brienne just has to make it from riverrun to winterfel
WILDFIRE CAN'T MELT STONE SEPTS
>>71381471
>has hundreds of little birds
>is on a boat
He could probably get going pretty fast if he uses the birds for thrust
>>71372154
>If this were the book though, it wouldn't be that simple. Some form of resistance would be there.
Who says there won't be?
We saw absolutely nothing of King's Landing after the bombing, save for an aerial view of the city and a few shots inside of the castle with the lesser nobles who weren't important enough to be invited to their deaths.
A resistance is something that takes time and discretion to organize. Much more than a few days would allow.
>>71381140
>You're a fucking retard. They didn't "just crown her king". There is literally no one else with a legal claim. All her kids are dead and Baratheons are still the ruling family. She is the last living Baratheon by marriage to the fucking King, ergo the Queen is the ruler until she remarries or produces another heir.
>I've never bothered to look up laws of inheritance or marriage: the past
This isn't how the crown works in westeros or indeed most any European medieval society. You can check literally any dead king in westeros history to fact check this.
Robb -> passes to his legal heir, his queen is shit out of luck
Dance of Dragons -> Daughters cannot take precedence over sons, i.e. Men>Women in the chain of succession
myriad succession crises -> the crown goes to the closest male successor
Legally in regards to the iron throne it went like this:
Robert -> His sons -> His daugher -> Stannis -> Stannis' daughter -> Renly
Now after renly it gets really fucking complicated and undoubtedly they would call a grand council to discuss the matters and all the maesters would bring along inheritance books to trace lineages until they found the closest male baratheon heir.
What happened here is that cersei seized power by force and has crowned herself after eliminating her enemies in kingslanding, there is no one close or powerful enough to actually contest this at the moment so it stands until such a scenario arises.
In the books if this happened, the Tyrells would immediately march on Kingslanding because there's no way she can kill Willas and Garlan as well and their force is far superior to the goldcloaks or even the entire lannister army so the crown would either pass to one of them or they would hold it in regency until the aforementioned council took place and crowned the next baratheon heir.
>>71381471
Tell that to sam.
GoT timeline is a mess. Just roll with the punches anon.
Analyzing this shit will just give you a headache.
>>71379720
>Cersei made a mistake imo not saving The 3 Tyrells.
Cersei and the Tyrells hate each other.
The Tyrells don't mind the rest of the Lannisters but Cersei has been constantly working against the alliance from the moment it started. It wasn't her work in the first place, she was ok with it initially because Joffrey was much less likely to end up whipped.
tl:dr; Tyrells weren't collatoral damage, they were secondary targets
WAIT DID D&D JUST KILL SMIRKFU OFF
TELL ME IT AINT SO
>>71381525
>>71374353
Pretty sure he was just going to console her, feed her, and lovingly, gently hug her with his gentle giant zombie hands.
>>71381601
I love this pic
Arya meeting up with Nymeria and GOLF WANG when?
>>71381609
>>71381601
Samefucks
>>71368902
Maybe he fell at someone's feet? I'm sure people were out on the streets looking around for what was happening after the loud BANG when the King defenestrated himself. Sure, you could kill those commoners too, I imagine it would be of no consequence with an unkillable Gigazombie in plate armour. But of course, you'd sooner rather than later have to kill more and more people to make it work.
Reminder: they're going to try and wrap up this clusterfuck in 13 episodes
>>71381640
>he doesn't know how to read timestamps
>>71369073
She said she killed them all to Shame nun. So that church was probably a barracks for most of the faith militant.
>>71381587
Tbfh, cersei came to olenna to talk shit over and band together against the faith but was shut down.
Olenna did this.
>>71368813
Guy Fawkes?
>>71381657
Everythings been rushed since the beginning of this season
>>71370355
Mace the Based Ace looked so lost trying to get to his children in his final moments ;_;
>>71375069
She can get away with that in the city, sure. Everywhere else... Well... She didn't make enough wildfire to blow up the entire seven kingdoms, so on that front, she's fucked. The thing is, Cersei doesn't have an end game. That's just not in her nature. Every action she takes is remarkably effective in the short term and has disastrous consequences in the long term.
I find it more interesting that Qyburn is apparently so loyal to her on the surface. He hasn't even showed a hint of betrayal, contempt, or revulsion on any level thus far. I'm not sure if he trusts her because he's really that insane and just doesn't care about what she does, or if because he's got some kind of insurance plan to prevent her insanity from turning on him. Maybe he has some kind of control over The Mountain he hasn't told Cersei about, I dunno.
>>71368902
wait I assumed she did this
isn't that why she had him burned?
>>71381717
Did Mace Tyrell have autism? He never seemed normal in the head
>>71370202
She's technically the next in line because there's no other children and tommen didn't have any offspring.
>>71373651
>probably some asspull poison bullshit maybe
Or, and here me out.
>Sand Sneks try to poison The Mountain.
>They don't realize that this nigga is a zombie and poison, no matter how potent it is, does fuck all to that which is already dead.
>Zombie Mountain proceeds to butcher two of the three sneks, and rapes the third to death.
>The Hound shows up just as The Mountain pulls a thourghouly fucked to death sand snek off his now flaccid zombie cock and tosses the worthless hunk of flesh and bone to the floor. The bothers lock eyes, and Clegane Bowl happens.
>Clegane Bowl is an entire 45 minutes of The Hound and The Mountain beating the every living piss out of one another.
>No cutting to other scenes.
>No other characters get involved.
>Just Sandor and Gregor, having an epic man-sized Kaiju fight.
>The Hound defeats his brother by burning him to undeath with wildfire.
>>71381726
She lets him cook. That's all he wants.
>>71381738
He seemed pretty normal to me, just super dogged by his mother.
If you mean the singing at the Iron Bank, that's just him being excited.
>>71381744
Technically its still Gendry
>>71368895
>the faith militant are enjoying their new power
>tommen and margary and ready to bend for the faith
>the townspeople love the new union and hate cersei
>all other factions are either off fighting their own shit or at peace with KL for the moment
Not to mention how desperate cersei was with olenna before she left KL. All signs point to Cersei
>>71374399
Doesn't exist in D&Dverse.
>>71381657
>Cluster fuck
What Cluster fuck? Everything has come together. Dany will roll over Kings landing. She will go over to conquer the North when the wall will come down and Jon and Dany have to team up to fight the Walkers. Theres nothing complicated left. You could do this in a season
>>71380338
>But the scene directly before is Lancel and the most devout rolling out to the Red Keep and then calling in even more reinforcements
No, it's them being told to but they only get to the door and Lancel gets distracted. So they never left and are just near the door somewhere. The explosion went for blocks so they're all dead.
>>71380357
>he's gonna get BBQ'd by a dragon if cleganebowl doesn't happen
Roasted and eaten by a dragon isn't out of the question.
HOWEVER...What if he's still full of the magical poison?
>>71380413
>Actually, I believe what he said was, "I am the walrus".
Only when he was tripping balls. When he was sober, he led communists.
>>71380519
>I think the show alluded to her menopausal state now
>She'll be going through the change soon...
Olenna to Tywin. She might still be fertile but she'd believe the prophecy that she only has three children.
>>71380801
>I thought Sansa's rape scene was more of a PR backlash
I thought it was clear that she was an abused women rather than a tortured prisoner. Portraying marital abuse in a negative light is ok, that's informative. Portraying female prisoners as rape toys and letting people get away with it isn't ok.Torture is though
>>71381140
>They didn't "just crown her king".
In fact, her minion did. And nobody had the balls to object. The nobles that could might not be that upset about seeing HS go down either, they'd have been a bit nervous about the way things were going.
>She is the last living Baratheon by marriage
But she's a Lannister. Queen's don't join the King's family, it's an exception to the marriage practices. She's ruling by pure will and fear, though any legal heir is so far removed that her claim is really as good as any and anyway, people are used to Cersei ruling.
>>71368923
>Why did she parlay with people who wiped out their own house
Because it wasn't her house, they have the same goals and she has nothing to lose.
>>71375476
That would be even more suspicious, incredibly stupid, and even way more risky. What if the faith militant simply don't let her leave the trial on a whim like how they detained Margery? What would she do then, blow herself and everyone else up? What if the High Sparrow (with the Tyrels that were present egging him on) decided her crimes were too great and she was to be executed on the spot? What if she manages to escape but everyone she wants to kill simply follows her out or leaves as well? By simply not showing up, she forces them to wait for her and puts herself at a safe distance from the explosion.
Why do so many people have such a ridiculously stupid idea of how succession works in medieval societies?
she just wanted to kill the high sparrow and his followers
why did so many tyrells need to be collateral damage?
including kevan?
>>71381326
Most of those questions can be answered with the fact that the timeline is a complete mess.
They seemingly stopped caring about it just so they could get as many plot points in as possible.
>>71381831
Because Baratheon line and Lannister line are done
It should have followed the Bara line, but i'm guesing Robert, Renly, and Stannis were the last of their people, and Cersei was technically a "queen" (Royal consort, but im guessing GRRM can not into medieval titles)
>>71381860
Tyrells had it coming because
>THAT SMIRKING WHORE FROM HIGHGARDEN
They were also all in her way to rule or cluttering up the small council.
>>71375728
So was it D&D or GRRM that lifted the "I carved up your kids and served them to you in a pie" bit from Titus Andronicus?
>>71381831
Because not everyone one in the world is autistically obsessed about medieval succession laws? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>71381558
>Robb -> passes to his legal heir, his queen is shit out of luck
There are no heirs left in this scenario.
>Dance of Dragons -> Daughters cannot take precedence over sons, i.e. Men>Women in the chain of succession
There are no men left in the chain of succession.
>myriad succession crises -> the crown goes to the closest male successor
There are no male successors. They're all dead.
>Legally in regards to the iron throne it went like this:
>Robert -> His sons -> His daugher -> Stannis -> Stannis' daughter -> Renly
Dead ->Both Dead-> Dead-> Dead-> Dead-> Dead.
>Now after renly it gets really fucking complicated and undoubtedly they would call a grand council to discuss the matters
>Grand Council
The members that aren't loyal to Cersei, be it willingly or cowed into it?
Dead.
>and all the maesters would bring along inheritance books to trace lineages until they found the closest male baratheon heir.
Those Maesters? If they aren't loyal to Cersei, they're either dead, or they're going to be killed.
Also, the Maesters that live in the castle are bound by oath to serve the head of the house/castle in which they reside.
As it stands, that is Cersei.
>What happened here is that cersei seized power by force and has crowned herself after eliminating her enemies in kingslanding, there is no one close or powerful enough to actually contest this at the moment so it stands until such a scenario arises.
And such a scenario won't arise. Because by the time such an event has sufficient enough backing, Dany and her army will be at the gates.
>In the books if this happened, the Tyrells would immediately march on Kingslanding
They literally are.
With Dany.
You seem to be under the impression that Cersei's power grab WASN'T designed to fuck her over in the end.
Obviously this won't stand.
>>71381937
Nah. Frey Pies is a part of the book story. The fat whitebearded guy that god humiliated by bearloli in the KINGINDANORF scene was responsible originally.
Also, Titus Andronicus ripped that off of the Tantalus myth and turned it on its head.
>>71381831
>succession
>of a usurper
Technically it's free for all once Rob died, they just left it with cersei because 0 targaryans were around
no fucking clue why stannis and renly thought they had a claim
>>71376012
The Tyrels were the ones supplying KL with fucking food, money, everything. They had to pay for everything including the wedding because the Lannister gold was completely spent and they had tremendous debt to the Iron Bank already. The only way Cersei would have a population willing to be ruled by her once winter comes (which is basically right now...) is if she had them all killed and turned into zombies by Qyburn.
>>71380495
I LOVE BIG GUYS THATS MA' FOOKIN' PROBLEM
>>71381699
But it would have gone down nearly the same way.
>Cersei: Okay, I'm gonna blow up the sept
>Olenna: That's fucking stupid, here's why...
>Olenna: Good thing I talked Cersei out of doing that stupid thing. Now where is she? Her trial's about to start.
Events shown don't happen simultaneously.
This answers literally 90% of all complaints of this episode
>>71373571
Assuming those 19 good men know the land.
cersei was like michael corleone
>>71382025
And yet, the hairstyle of some of the characters says otherwise. It's irritating. They only change between seasons, not between episodes where they expect you to believe them a lot of time passes between scenes.
>Cersei not growing her flowing mane back
As if.
I get a hard-on from her pixiecut, but no. She wouldn't keep it short if she didn't have to.
>>71381326
>How come Olenna managed to get news of the bombing yet Jaime and seemingly everyone else outside of Kings Landing and Dorne had no knowledge?
Ravens etc. I'm sure there are Tyrell guards and servants and shit in the Red Keep and Cersei isn't covering it up, she's being completely open. Anyone not at the Sept is probably able to leave or go about their business if they don't get in her way. When Ned was betrayed, it was people like Janos, Hound and LF who tied up all the loose ends, Merryn FOOKIN Trant led the soldiers who massacred the Stark guards and servants. None of them are left now. Janos was shit but he was quite able to round up harmless people and kill them.
>How did Varys go from Dorne to on a ship with Dany in middle of the sea?
That's not so bad if you look at a map but it's not spelt out anywhere.
Varys left Mareen an episode or two ago, he went to Sunspear. Olenna was already in Highgarden by then and went to Sunspear, she probably took a boat since it's the fastest way to Sunspear (and avoided the Iron Fleet but whatever).
We KNOW all the above.
I'm GUESSING the below but it makes sense.
Dany left Mareen and sailed around Valyria and just past Lys.
From Sunspear, Varys travelled with the Martell and Tyrell fleets and met Dany between Sunspear and Lys and they merged their stacked naval units into one fleet and are now sailing north up the narrow sea towards Dragon Stone where they'll turn and go up the river to Kings Landing.
So Dany sailed a long way in basically no time but Varys didn't have to go very far at all, she came to him.
>>71381341
nobody denies it, but we have no power over the media.
>>71382025
This is hard for sufferer's of autism to realize
Just like why characters aren't infallible and have 100% perfect knowledge og medieval military tactics and history
Also why they have a hard time understanding how Cersei can coup the throne instead of everyone sitting down to have a discussion on medieval succession laws
Be kind with them, it's not their fault they suffer the autism, we can only ease their pain by listening to their banal complaints
will dany retake dragonstone first and launch her attack from there?
>>71374735
>commoners
>not revolting
Have you seen the filthy fuckers? They're about as revolting as it gets.
>>71381963
>There are no heirs left in this scenario.
robb ostensibly had no heirs either, the point is that in the exact same scenario, Robb's title didn't pass to his wife, the queen.
>There are no men left in the chain of succession.
Almost literally impossible, the chain of succession is long and can go back many hundreds of years, there is a male in the line somewhere and they would be found
>The members that aren't loyal to Cersei, be it willingly or cowed into it?
>Dead.
It doesn't work this way, a great council (accidentally called it grand) is a collection of nobles and maesters from across the whole realm, it's not just people in Kingslanding, Cat tells renly that he, stannis and Robb should combine forces and then demand such a thing for instance, it's not just the small council or w/e you meant here.
>Those Maesters? If they aren't loyal to Cersei, they're either dead, or they're going to be killed.
>Also, the Maesters that live in the castle are bound by oath to serve the head of the house/castle in which they reside.
>As it stands, that is Cersei.
you what?
You realise there is a huge number of maesters that sit around reading books all day right? Even if they didn't exist, they'd still be able to call on knowledgeable maesters from across the realm. It's like you seem to think the whole world is just Kingslanding, hint: when the crisis is this dire it turns into a matter for the whole seven kingdoms.
>>71382115
a lot of people are comparing it to the books, where this shit is handled better.
but you have to wonder how those people have even got to this stage in the show without accepting that D&D aren't prioritizing that kind of thing.
>>71382138
she's not going to reach Westeros with all her dragons or ships
>>71381699
Uh, NO. Cersei was the one who empowered the faith militant, remember? That was the monster she created to get at Loras and Margery Tyrel. When the faith turned on her, THAT was when she went to the Tyrels for support, after all they had given her. Cersei owed her life to the Tyrels as they came to her aid and Tywins at the Battle of Blackwater and then she betrayed them by letting the faith take her daughter and son. You can't seriously expect the Tyrels to forget that betrayal and have any form of trust for Cersei. Eventually the Tyrels did join with the Lannisters against the faith, but only with Kevan running damage control and kicking Cersei the fuck out of the council. If Cerseis pleas for aid fell on deaf ears it's because of her own transparent, vicious, spiteful, stupid mistakes.
>>71382190
Shit son you're in way too deep. Maybe you should write your own fantasy novel?
>>71368766
like most people in westeros, birds with notes and little birds running around the city. word would probably travel fast of wildfire burning in kings landing.
>>71374735
I'm sure most of the smallfolk is essentially clueless. Hell, just speculating here, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to consider that false information could be spread to say that the High Sparrow set up the explosion, radicalism could explain why he stayed in the church.
The nobility on the other hand are too scared, busy, or greedy to fuck with Cercei, especially since she's now straight-up Queen.
>>71368766
Excuse but, how did she blow up the place anyway.
Have they invented gun powder?
>>71382233
I'm in the middle of doing just that :^)
>>71368923
To pander to idiots that think her shitting on the sneks was totally epic
>>71381815
That's a big post.
>>71381644
>Maybe he fell at someone's feet? I'm sure people were out on the streets looking around
His tower is inside the Red Keep so no commoners saw a thing, lots of servants probably did though. He should be in Maegor's Holdfast because that's where the royal apartments are but that has a moat so he would have drowned instead of splattering. Blame D&D.
>>71381726
>He hasn't even showed a hint of betrayal, contempt, or revulsion
There's no down-side for him and revulsion is just not in his character.
He'll be loyal until it gets too dangerous for him and then he'll slip away. He'll probably be murdered by Varys before then though.
>I'm not sure if he trusts her because he's really that insane and just doesn't care about what she does
Politics is boring, he does his job because that's the price to do his science. He literally doesn't care about anything Cersei is doing beyond giving her advice on how to do it.
He probably is the only one who genuinely controls the Mountain so there's that.
>>71381746
>>The Hound defeats his brother by burning him to undeath with wildfire.
That's the only part of your jerk-fantasy that is likely but I'll go with that as the method of mountain death, sure.
>>71381785
>Technically its still Gendry
Technically, Gendry is a bastard and not inheriting anything without a king legitimising him.
>>>71382223
>she's not going to reach Westeros with all her dragons or ships
All her ships? No. Not at all. Euron Greyjoy is probably going to wipe out half of their fleet and lose all of his own in the process.
All her dragons though?
Yeah. None of those dragons, if any, are going to die until Season 8. And even then, Drogon is probably the only one that's going to bite it.
They're dragons, not dire wolves.
>>71381981
Yeah that weirded me out.
> Oh cool their doing fat pies
> Oh its aura though..
> I guess that makes sense, they didn't want to cast someone else so they gave it to her.
> Wat he's in the show anyways
>>71382507
>Season 8
Am I out of the loop?
>>71381916
>Cersei was technically a "queen" (Royal consort, but im guessing GRRM can not into medieval titles)
Gurm intos medieval titles quite well and the book is clearer that Cersei is a Lannister and not married into the Barratheons. It's also his world so he doesn't need to into IRL titles. But he has anyway.
>>71381963
>Dead ->Both Dead-> Dead-> Dead-> Dead-> Dead
Only vaguely related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oHtLmjKRbE
>>71381963
>Also, the Maesters that live in the castle are bound by oath to serve the head of the house/castle in which they reside.
I'm pretty sure that that rule exists so that maesters don't get massacred by anyone who wins a siege.
>>71381981
>god humiliated by bearloli
pic related
>>71381998
>Technically it's free for all once Rob died, they just left it with cersei because 0 targaryans were around
The Targ dynasty was gone, the Barra dynasty was in. New dynasty, new succession order.
>>71382601
Bearfu earned the throne.
>>71382536
Season 7 and 8 are confirmed.
However both seasons are going to be shorter than previous seasons, as apparently two more seasons is all they need to wrap up the story.
>>71381831
because the 'whoever is the scariest, wins law' always trumped all other laws
>>71381937
GRRM lifted it from Titus.
If it weren't in the books, then D&D would've just done the same thing after watching Gotham.
>>71382601
>pic related
That is not a pic.
That is a video.
You lied to me Anon.
How could you?
>>71368766
Same way you know it's your dog the one that scattered the newspaper all over the garden.
