didnt trek fans really hate this series? or am i mistaken?
>>71143244
Go back to your general.
>>71143256
just answer the question
>>71143244
I've been a trek fan my whole life. I watched tng when the first episode debuted and i really like enterprise.
If you compare its first 4 seasons to any other entry in the franchise its holds up and it was getting better every season.
The fact that it came out two weeks after 9/11 didn't help much when it came to finding an audience. Or dropping star trek from the title.
We can all agree it has the greatest theme song in television history.
IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD
>>71143256
Trek threads used to be comfy as fuck before they became eternal cancer generals.
It has a good tone but that's about it
>>71143244
Yes.
It was disliked for many reasons
>The intro song was fucking Christian rock
>Almost all the characters were bland and forgettable
>The Captain was an oaf who did things like bring his dog into a sacred alien temple and let it piss on a holy tree
>Retcons like bringing in the Borg and Ferengi into the preTNG era
>Making the Vulcans into such assholes that they needed to be rebooted through the power of turning Archer into Vulcan Jesus
>>71143415
>>71143244
Critics panned, most "trekkies" I know liked it.
I also liked most of it, the terrible revamped s4 theme not included.
>>71143601
>Retcons like bringing in the Borg and Ferengi into the preTNG era
You mean the borg left there by first contact?
IMO s3-4 were good. Xindi arc is best arc.
>>71143731
I still don't get why people don't understand this, how retarded are you
>>71143829
Xindi arc was a better season of voyager than voyager ever had.
>>71143601
>>The intro song was fucking Christian rock
yeah the second one was shit, the first one fit incredibly well with the character of the show
>>Almost all the characters were bland and forgettable
like 95% of all trek characters
it had a good archer/trip/tpol triangle thingy going on, with occasional ok parts by reed and occasional goat parts by phlox
>>The Captain was an oaf who did things like bring his dog into a sacred alien temple and let it piss on a holy tree
throwback to the good ol days of trek, banging moon princesses and not being a turbo-liberal fag
>>71143925
Fucking based Enterprise.
>that episode where the religious nutjobs trash the Enterprise computers then something inside of Archer just snaps and he goes full on Rambo for the rest of the season
>>71143244
It's a case of wasted potential just like Voyager, but unlike Voyager it has a decent cast and gets better with each season. At the end of the day it's an okay series
>>71143731
Isn't Enterprise a quantum timeline like the Abbrams continuity because of the First Contact movie? It's why we never heard any mention of the Xindi attack on Earth as well as the frozen Borg.
>>71143829
>>71143925
THIS
Enterprise was a lot like Next Gen; both had piss-poor Seasons 1 and 2, but they got better by Season 3 and 4. I hate the fact we were denied a 5th season because Shran was going to join Enterprise. And we never got to see the Earth-Romulan War.
Voyager had good episodes amidst shit. How the fuck did they ruin the Borg?
>>71143980
>banging moon princesses and not being a turbo-liberal fag
Kirk is a retarded fat virgin though. And a bleeding heart retard. Have you really watched Star Trek?
so holodecks came from zurilians?
Who is the best linguistics officer of all time and why is it Hoshi?
>>71144046
No, First Contact fixed the timeline, and there is only one timeline.
Star Trek 2009 is the ONLY entry in all of Star Trek to say that time travel creates alternate universes.
Every other instance we've seen alternate universes, we didn't see time travel create them (Mirror Universe, Parallels).
Every other instance we've seen time travel, any characters protected by chronitons or temporal ripples will watch as the timeline changes around them.
e.g.
>McCoy saves Edith Keeler
>the Enterprise ceases to exist
>Kirk kills Edith Keeler
>the Enterprise pops back into existence
>Sisko prevents the spread of socialism in America
>the Federation ceases to exist
>Sisko restores the spread of socialism in America
>the Federation pops back into existence
>Janeway blows up the Earth
>the solar system ceases to exist
>Tom Paris meets Sarah Silverman
>the solar system pops back into existence
>the Borg plinkett up the past
>Earth was always a Borg
>Picard is an action hero
>non-Borg Earth pops back into existence
>>71144309
She had zero personality and development. The same for Mayweather. The only characters on Enterprise that had any semblance of individuality were Archer, Trip, T'Pol, and Shran. Malcolm had his shades here and there, but he was also the buttmonkey.
Enterprise is like Voyager; even the people who worked on it have nothing but criticism for it.
>STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE actress Jolene Blalock has strong words about her character and the hierarchy of her show in the new issue of the UK's SFX Magazine. Blalock says she was extremely unhappy with much of her character's direction in season three.
>"You can't substitute tits and ass for good storytelling," she says bluntly. "You can have both, but you can't substitute one for the other, because the audience is not stupid. You can't just throw in frivolous, uncharacteristic... well, bull and think it's gonna help the ratings!"
>The magazine characterizes her feelings about a potential future for show as decidedly cold and asked her why a change like elevating Manny Coto to head of the writing staff wasn't done earlier. Blalock is not kind.
>"You have this head guy [Rick Berman] who's some kind of ancient old croaker with no concept of the real world outside, with his fine wine and his, er, crumpets. And what are ya gonna tell them? 'Give it up'? 'Go home, be with your wife, go play golf'? No - then ya got no job! A powerful job is your identity. Give that up, and who are you? What the hell are you gonna do with all that time? You can't tell people what to do anymore!"
>>71144401
Phlox got a bit too. Not a heap but still some.
>>71144510
Oh yeah him. I liked Phlox, but I absolutely HATED that episode where he allows a sub-species to die off because he had a half-assed assumption about their group being supplanted by the other humanoid sub-species.
The thing about Enterprise is that the aliens (T'Pol, Phlox, and Shran) were WAY more interesting than the humans. Even Xindi like Degra and Dolim were more fascinating to watch.
>>71144619
>Oh yeah him. I liked Phlox, but I absolutely HATED that episode where he allows a sub-species to die off because he had a half-assed assumption about their group being supplanted by the other humanoid sub-species.
I liked the idea of the episode.
To have a situation where disobeying the Prime Directive has real tangible consequences, but they did it with too high concept of stakes.
It should have been simpler
Like
>Archer forces Phlox to create a cure
>One group reverse engineers the cure to create a disease that only targets the other group
>Episode ends with cured and genocidal group shaking Archer's hand and thanking him for saving their world
>>71144677
The premise was good and the moral dilemma that Archer and Phlox had to struggle with, but the execution was absolute shit.
And you have to remember the Prime Directive wasn't around at that time. They didn't codify those regulations until the Coalition of Planets was formed.
>>71144046
None of the Xindi shit was ever supposed to happen. This is the jist of it:
>26th Century
Race of aliens only known as the sphere builders go to war with the federation because the space they live in is some fucked up shit that no one else can survive in, and they're pushing their territory into federation space
>They get their shit pushed in by the federation
>As a backup plan, they go back in time and convince the Xindi that humans attack their world in the future
>Xindi freak out and create the weapon that destroys Florida (9/11)
>Humans freak out and enterprise goes to kick their shit
>Along the way, they learn about all the timeline shit
>Some guy named Daniel helps them and they fix everything
>>71144793
That subspace vortex the Xindi used to travel was interesting. It looks a lot faster than conventional warp (9.9 max). I wonder how it stacks up against transwarp and quantum slipstream?
>>71144619
>the aliens (T'Pol, Phlox, and Shran) were WAY more interesting than the humans. Even Xindi like Degra and Dolim were more fascinating to watch.
Never really looked at it like that but I see your point. A heap of the alien characters were fascinating to watch.
>>71144869
It pissed me off because it's lazy writing, just like the warp 10 episode of Voyager. How much more interesting would it have been if they actually planned a generational Voyage to get there?
>>71143244
A lot of people gave it hate, but if you appreciate it for what it was, it's a lot easier to accept it.
It wasn't even technically Star Trek until season 3 I think? It was originally just called Enterprise.
I think for the first two seasons especially it relies too much on little nods to things from previous series. Season 3 is originally and where it really proved it could exist as a separate show, and then Season 4 doubled down on the references and story arcs that tie into previous series but was still a solid season.
And then ending was utter shite.
Despite it all though I thought it was a good show with its own character and is worth the watch by any Star Trek fan.
>>71144869
>That subspace vortex the Xindi used to travel was interesting.
But it was bullshit for the timeline.
How was the technology never replicated in the future?
Hundreds of years go by and it's never reused?
Hell, doesn't Daniels say that the Xindi at one time join the Federation?
They're still around. Using those vortexes. For hundreds of years.
You'd think that the Federation would put that shit on top of the list
meme-trek fans do, but they'll shit on anything that isn't memetrek
>>71145184
Hence why I said it's fucking lazy writing
I'm on season 3, and it's not terrible. It's still the weakest of the franchise, characters are a bit weak and watered down.
It's entertaining and doesn't deserve the hate. If you hate Enterprise, you probably hate Star Trek in general.
>>71145312
It's not nearly as weak as Voyager
>>71145329
Voyager has one stand-out character: the Doctor. Enterprise doesn't really have any.You can't even ironically watch it for unintentional humor.
But if you like Trek, one watch-through isn't a waste of time.
>>71145329
I disagree.
Voyager had some crazy plots and some real weak reasoning, but at least the characters had personality.
Mayweather is probably one of the blandest main characters on any show, let alone a Star Trek show.
He had like, literally one episode where he isn't just smiling pilot guy?
Same with Hoshi. For like 4 seasons she was "Uhhhh I can't doooo this. I want to go home." Every damn episode except the one or two token episodes where she has "growth".
nth for the Eternal Ensign.
>>71145494
except that one stand out character is outweighed by obnoxious shit-tier characters like Neelix and the Mystical Injun First Officer. ENT may have a mediocre cast but there isn't anyone that makes me cringe every time they appear in a scene.
>>71145613I unironically liked Harry Kim when I watched Voyager the first time as a teenager
>>71143244
No, """""fans""""" from /r/startrek hate it
True patricians recognize its flaws but love it
>>71145615
The difference is that even while Chipotle and Neelix were often very shitty, you could see how they could have been great.
There was a good foundation there.
You could say that for all the characters on VOY.
Someone clever wrote a basic outline that was really good.
The execution was poorer, but you could still see how it could have been good.
ENT was shallow as fuck. There was just nothing to build on.
That's why Trip because "Muh sistah" after Space 9/11.
Because that was the only part of his character that wasn't "Wacky accent engineer". He had literally nothing else.
>>71145615
Yeah, he might have been a little campy, but he was also a total bro.
>>71145878
They should have ramped up his soldier past.
Like, him trying to join security made perfect sense.
He failed to protect his family the first time around.
Now Voyager was his new family, and he'll want to make up for past failings
But nah, have him dance some more
>>71145878
>Kes isn't even two years old yet
>she still hasn't gone through puberty yet
>she's considered a child by the standards of her species
He was a disgusting child molester.
>>71145999
>>she still hasn't gone through puberty yet
Well except for that episode where they had sex by Kes sticking to his back.
Considering that they birth babbies through back pouches, Okampa may not have had any genitals between their legs
>>71146052
The puberty in Elogium was a false alarm.
She has her real puberty years later, as seen in the episode Before & After.
>>71145999
How did Bev rape Riker?
>>71146265
When Riker was a Goa'uld.
>>71146298
Can't rape the willing
>>71145664
How would you know that, bud? You uh, you visit reddit?
>>71146998
They hold polls, so we can know what they think without actually spending time on the site itself.
>>71146265
>>71146298
>>71146754
Fucking kek
>>71147090
And where can you find said polls? At this point I'm genuinely curious
>>71147157
Tumblr, obviously.
it starts shit, gets good then ends shit
>>71146998
See >>71147202
Actually, why does that have a tumblr filename? What in gods name would they care about a 4chan picture discussing 4chan and reddit
>>71147494
Filename shenanigans? In a Star Trek thread? Perish the thought.
>>71147494
Who the fuck knows man. Tumblr is one of the biggest sites on the internet, it's probably become like Facebook now where they hold a shit ton of static content just by nature
>>71143244
I would happily sit through every episode of Enterprise for the rest of my life instead of a single episode of Voyager.
>>71147494
>>71147664
I can actually answer this. I was trying to find the 'eternal ando' pasta yesterday while 4plebs was down and discovered a tumblr dedicated solely to these threads:
http://startrekgeneral.tumblr.com/
i guess the reddit menace was a smokescreen from the real tourists
>>71143244
I enjoyed it, but there was plenty to dislike. Theme song was a radical departure. A lot of people were interested in a straight prequel but it was this convoluted temporal cold war instead. The Xindi arc was supposed to be cathartic for the post 9/11 world but its development and resolution weren't decent analogies.
The last season was possibly the strongest in the whole franchise though.
>>71147747
>1576 notes
Holy crap.
>>71147735
Based anon, this is the true test right here.
>>71147747
God fucking damnit. See this is why generals are pure unadulterated cancer. They attract these 16 year olds who are obsessed with fitting in and making epic maymays, and next thing you know this happens.
Why can't we just go back to having comfy Star Trek threads like this one?
>>71144747
How is that even a moral dilemma? It is an illness and can be cured.
>>71145664Everyone knows the real Star Trek subreddit is /r/daystrominstitute
>>71145878
>a little campy
bro...
>>71147915
In the episode, the plot drunkenly blunders into ideas about how the disease is like "evolution's natural way".
So the slave people are "evolving better" than the leader people.
So if you save the leader people, you're interfering with evolution
It's a dumb dilemma.
>>71148084
Only the "evolution's natural way" is total bullshit. There is no "better or worse" in evolution. It is a process not a sentient force that controls life in the universe.
>>71147202
>200
>statistically relevant
>>71144046
>Isn't Enterprise a quantum timeline like the Abbrams continuity
Seriously trying to straighten out the time line of trek is a fools errand. I mean red forman alone managed to rewrite the timeline a thousand times.
That being said you could call it a causal paradox since the signal the borg sent out in the past is the reason the borg cube they meet in TNG is heading for earth.
>>71148084
It's the same predestination-based bullshit behind the 'prime directive'. The worst example was that TNG episode where Picard was going to let an entire planets' worth of species die because he didn't want to interfere when a natural disaster was going to destroy it. Whole thing seemed absurdly out of character
>>71148165
Of course, but that's not the argument the episode took.
Remember, in the Star Trek universe, humans have a spider as an ancestor.
>>71148179
In /trek/ threads? It is.
>>71144319
>Star Trek 2009 is the ONLY entry in all of Star Trek to say that time travel creates alternate universes.
Yesterday's Enterprise begs to differ.
>>71144619
>but I absolutely HATED that episode where he allows a sub-species to die off because he had a half-assed assumption about their group being supplanted by the other humanoid sub-species.
You mean the prime directive that is created because of that incident?
>>71148221
Just hard to see a moral dilemma, even with their logic. Just because some other species might be genitalic superior justifies to let a species just die? Billions of lives?
It just seems weird as fuck. They have space ships! Just take the other species to another planet.
>>71148243
Watch it again. Watch Guinan.
The Enterprise C doesn't create a new universe. It erases the old timeline. That's how Guinan (whose species is special) can sense the changes. If she was in a different universe then she wouldn't sense events being erased.
>>71148216
The Prime Directive isn't about predestination.
It's about accepting human fallacy.
You cannot know the impact of saving a whole civilization.
If it happens, it happens.
It's like in Who Watches the Watchers. Picard steps in, becomes a god, and is almost killed for it.
You cannot know the impact of your actions.
It'd be a perfect ENT episode to show Archer trying to step in and save a prewarp civilization and seriously fucking it up.
The road to hell and all that.
>>71143244
There are basically two flavors of Trekkies
>TNG is the best because they did a lot of thoughtful actual sci-fi
>TOS is the best because silly kitch and action
The history of Star Trek is kind of a pendulum moving through this spectrum. The TOS movies started swinging to dealing with Big Issues in a Serious Business manner. TNG perfected that over its long run. DS9 became too much a politics show, so with Voyager and Enterprise they corrected back with different mixes (Voyager completely eliminated Big Picture concerns and was Serious Business with a bunch of characters that absolutely had to have a dark twist, Enterprise was a test of returning back to wacky space shenanigans.) With Abrams turning Star Trek into Star Wars, the TOSsers are ascendent, but now absolutely no attempts at dealing with serious issues...just bland action spectacle (which is pretty and I'd probably be a fan of if it weren't tied to the Star Wars IP, but I can't make that choice). As much as I hate the new movies, I do see how we can't go back and can't have anything like TNG for a very, very long time if ever.
>>71148391
>You cannot know the impact of your actions.
Then humanity should stop exploring space and stay out of all alien affairs.
>>71148391
>You cannot know the impact of saving a whole civilization
Exactly, but they treat it like any outside influence is somehow 'tainting' destiny when it would necessarily be a part of destiny.
The PD had other aspects but it consistently (as with the ENT episode people are discussing here) turned into 'we can't do the obviously moral thing to do because it's against fate's wishes'
>>71148476
Nice false dichotomy, bro.
It's a wise decision to limit interference.
It's like banning all sex because children cannot consent
>>71148514
Pretty much that.
The PD makes sense when it comes to contacting pre warp civilizations. Protecting their culture and political independence because they would too easily be dominated by the Federation.
But not destroying the asteroid that is flying towards them because you do not know what the consequences are is the same bullshit as saying you do not save a little child because it may become the next Hitler.
>>71148514
>but it consistently (as with the ENT episode people are discussing here) turned into 'we can't do the obviously moral thing to do because it's against fate's wishes'
Yeah.
That's just shit writing.
That's why Who Watches the Watchers is the best Prime Directive episode
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>71148476
>internal smirk
>>71148514
Eh, I wouldn't look into the Prime Directive for sense. It's just there for a dramatic device. I mean fuck, how many times do we hear about it without it being immediately followed with reasons in THIS PARTICULAR CASE WE MUST IGNORE IT
And it also serves a less highbrow way of inserting the drama because now even if you don't know/care about the moral/ethical possibilities of violating it, violating it is definitely a conflict with the Federation, so it's easy to understand for all.
>>71143244
it had too much homosexual pandering
>>71148682
>in the 2000s we thought that was a good body
Daily Reminder that Star Trek women look better in Starfleet uniforms.
>>71148846
100% true.
Cute as fuck
Especially Seven. Muh autistic waifu
>>71143244
I'm just gettin into star trek but I really enterprise.
Also the last episode looked a bit rushed but still hit the feels with the death of my favourite character.
>>71148809
>implying bakula wasn't a DILF
>>71148915
Did you watch any other ST series tho?
>>71148939
>>71149011
Weak shoulders imo
>>71143244
I liked it, despite the terrible writing. It was a shame that Firefly was canceled, yet they continued to push Enterprise.
A lot of fans hated the theme song. The producers were upset that they were showing each episode four times a year, but fans weren't watching every episode every time it aired.
Introducing the time travel, the holodeck, and the Ferengi early on wasn't good. I thought that the whole change of direction after 9/11, and Xindi are Muslims was bad.
I liked the cast, and the idea of early Star Trek.
>Okay guys, that alien planet might have had viruses or radiation or whatever, get in this sauna and oil up
>>71148165
If a population survives as the only one because the others are dying due to a genetic defect it is literally evolution.
oh wow, a third star trek thread
wtf is wrong some people
have you all locked yourselves in it's lore and can no longer experience other shows?
these should be monitored by autist awareness groups
>>71149279
>literally every time T'pol was in there
I know that was the entire point, but damn it worked.
>>71149306
FUCK
I was trying to make the first insulting post ITT but captcha wouldn't load
why is life so cruel
>>71143601
>The intro song was fucking Christian rock
Because it contains the words "faith" and "believe"? It's a completely secular song about the human spirit that fits right in with the ideals of Star Trek.
>>71149306
>le /general/ meme
When you just hopped here from /r/4chan a few months ago, don't presume to dictate how threads should go
Generals are the worst cancer a board can have
>>71149306
Oh wow Anon, I haven't even considered that.
Yes, let's all visit a mental clinic to check if we are actually autistic for liking something and sharing our thoughts and opinions on it, surely people have never done this before unless they were complete and utter retards.
Why even bother with philosophy, politics, literature, art or music, am I right Anon? Those are just things for those Autists.
We normal people must stick together.
Let's leave this thread mate, let's get drunk and stop questioning life, let's be the sane and obedient citizens we were always supposed to be.
>>71149389
Yeah, sure, that and Perfect Strangers.
>>71149331
check out the yous i got. you need legacy captcha
>>71148809
It looked more natural than whats expected now of us t bh.
>>71149468
That's true, but we don't watch TV for "natural" things
>>71148915
Not yet but I'm going to start on deep space 9.
>>71143244
I fucking loved this show.
Scott Bakula and Jeffrey Combs are best friends. Same with their characters and I'd've loved a Season 5.
>>71149544
Why are you doing everything in the wrong order?
>>71149544
Fucking if you don't want to enter at TOS, you have to do TNG at the least. Coming in at DS9? Hell, you're going to miss a LOT.
>>71149728
I asked in the general and they recommended DS 9.
>>71149851
I am planning in watching all of them eventually.
>>71150250
>I am planning in watching all of them eventually.
Your point?
Look, what you're talking about is like picking up the Harry Potter series in the middle.
DS9 and TNG happened very close together (might have even been a little overlap). They reference stories from TNG in DS9, make callbacks that are important to understanding what's going on, and the like. You will miss a lot if you start on DS9. These were by far the two most closely linked of all the series.
>>71150250
>I asked in the general and they recommended DS 9.
>listening to the general
Anyone who goes to a general is some kind of faggot.
Start with TNG and move on from there.
You'll miss out too much if you start with DS9.
what kind of fucking retard doesnt start a show at the beginning?
>>71143244
I quite enjoyed it for what it was
>>71148809
It's the body of someone that works out without steroids.
>>71150357
>>71150357
So I should go TNG>DS 9>TOS then ?
>>71143415
GETTING FROM THERE TO HERE
>>71150554
TOS is essentially optional. It's fine to watch but not necessary.
The TNG era onward is functionally a reboot.
TNG to DS9 to VOY to ENT.
Air order
>>71150554
>>71150651
Don't bother wasting time with voyager
TOS>Movie 2->TNG, Enterprise
then just watch DS9 at some point
>>71150554
The important thing is TNG to DS9...you can do like the other anon just posted, or just whatever. Voyager is mainly about a ship off on the other side of the universe and doesn't really tie back into the main universe all that much and Enterprise is a prequel to TOS. TNG and DS9 are the ones that are the most closely tied together.
>>71150357
The last two years of tng overlap with ds9. The last two years of ds9 overlap with voyager. Voyager ended early 01 and enterprise started september of the same year.
>>71150372
Id say start with the original movies then tng.
But TOS is good, but hard to recommend it due to the campiness and production values that aren't for everyone. If you watch the rest and want more then absolutely check it out.
>>71150949
Starting out with TMP can be rough as fuck
>>71143399
I get where they were coming from with the theme song, the lyrics fit the explorer mindset of startrek. And I actually liked it. However it was just another thing for haters to point to and say "wtf is this shit?!"
EMH > Bashir > Phlox > Crusher > McCoy (overrated) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pulaski
>>71151125
EMH>McCoy>Bashir>Phox>Pulaski>Crusher
>>71151099
>the lyrics
There's 99% of the problem. There were lyrics. Sounding like late 80s John Cougar Mellencamp didn't help at all either, but lyrics are wrong.
>>71149566
Just reading the unused storylines makes me so sad, and watching Combs interacting with the crew would have been great.
>>71151125
Greetings reddit
>>71151525
What were those storylines ?
>>71152554
they were gonna have an abortion episode where hoshi gets impregnated by some alien slug, but it turns out it's alive in her womb and it's trying to communicate with her
this would've been a 2-parter guest starring guinan using a pseudonym (because she was on earth in the 19th century so it's plausible she was around in the ENT era)
>>71152554
>>71154094
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Undeveloped_Star_Trek:_Enterprise_episodes#Proposed_fifth_season_episodes
>>71154094
...so they just kinda recycled pregnant Trip?
>>71152554
Beneath the raptor's wing sort of deal but also making Shran a main cast member and a lot of other things that were written about already.
>>71148846
I would marry T'Pol at a Starfleet wedding.
t'Pol and Trip are the best star trek characters desu.
>>71158151
>r/daystrominstitute
I just went there, it's like less trolls and ridiculously analytical shit that is typical of Trekkies who've overdosed on the franchise.
>why does this speck of dirt show up when they didn't even come from outside.. doesn't the holodeck recycle everything?
Shit like that
>>71143244
Trek fans liked it.
It had retarded time slots on a retarded network. And as with most Treks it took a while to find its stride. Overall its a great show though. Should have had at least one or two more seasons. The Romulan war they were prepping would have been great
>>71150563
IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME
>>71143399
It was also on a shitty network and a shitty time slot
>>71143601
The captain being an oaf was intentional you twat.
>>71143399
>>71143244
In the process of rewatching (already at Episode 10 of Season 1 I think, probably rewatched the whole series 4x in 8 years)
The problem was people are getting sick of Star Trek already (from TNG to DS9 to VOY, there's no significant gap unless you count the time between last episode of VOY and ENT airing). They should've made a 2-3 year gap since ENT is a very different direction from those 3 and at least make people 'miss' Star Trek.
>>71160524
>Hurr I was only pretending to be a retard
The problem was that Archer never learned from his mistakes and his oafishness is often portrayed as a positive.
Yeah, I get that it's mean to be humanity's first rough foray into deep space, but the man should learn.
>>71144401
Hoshi was a scared little bird in the first season. By season 3 she tries to kill herself and save humanity rather than let reptillians use her to activate the xindi weapon. Watch the show sometime before you post bullshit
>>71148627
I get it but that doesn't mean I have to like it...
>>71160484
BUT MY TIME IS FINALLY NEAR
>>71144473
She was going to be a huge part of the season 5 arc. She was going to be revelaed as half Romulan, her dad being a Romulan. She was only a tits and ass insert in season 1. Those decontamination chamber rubdown scenes were fappable.
>>71144619
I thought he implied interbreeding was the real cure since the emergent species was immune.
>>71148514
>>71148391
>>71148216
Almost invariably in episodes where the prime directive is violated, it turns out very badly for the locals and causes a lot more problems than it solves.
Even if you throw out all the shit about fate and destiny, the simple fact of the matter is that in TNG universe, 99% of the time contacting pre-warp civilizations results in disaster so it should be avoided at all costs. Picard even states as much in a few episodes
>>71144619
They shouldn't have killed Degra. He should have been a mainstay like Shran. Can't believe how shitty they made Shran in the last episode. Goes out like a bitch.
>>71147915
The emergent species was immune, the dominant species was not. The dominant species did not have the technology to cure it so curing it would have interfered with the progression of the emergent species or, as Phlox implies, the interbreeding and blending of the two.
>>71143244
everyone with a brain and good taste hated this abomination
>>71160626
Archer was a snore for me, along with Not-Scotty and Not-Paris. I didn't like how they shilled the sexy vulcan girl either in some early episode previews.
It didn't feel like trek to me in the end, so I couldn't really stick with it because there wasn't a single character I was interested in at all.
I liked the opening but it wasn't very trek like. I think they made a play for making it seem 'interesting' like 'this isn't like the other treks, it was when humanity still a shit but trying hard' and ultimately I always felt like they never got that down.
"Commander, tell me about your sexual organs."
>>71161499
"They stink like fish and taste like salty coins"
>>71160909
>99% of the time contacting pre-warp civilizations results in disaster so it should be avoided at all costs
The entire species being exterminated is worse than any damage Picard could do by contacting it. The whole pro-PD argument relies on these vague claims like 'almost invariably', which are self-defeating in that they concede it shouldn't be a universal dogma.
Consider the closest allegory we have for it today - 'uncontacted' tribes in the Amazon. Anthropologists correctly recognize that if we just moved in and tried to 'modernize' them it would be disastrous for their society and culture.
Now, however, imagine that there is going to be a volcanic event which wipes out a massive portion of their homelands and would result in the complete extermination of these tribes.
Would you seriously expect the international community to just stand by and make no effort to warn or rescue them because contact would be damaging?
NOBODY'S GONNA BEND OR RAPE ME
>>71162772
IT'S BEEN A LONG RAPE
>>71162910
GETTIN SOME AIR IN HERE
I only watched the mirror universe episode for the nostalgiawank fanservice.
Mirror Tpol was hot af
>>71148846
>Sirens of Starfleet
>no Jadzia
How could you leave out the goddess in a uniform?
>>71148424
What if you're a DS9 fan? You realize from alien POVs that the Federation is full of human-centric ideas that they push onto member worlds and other races. Or that aliens can be pretty racist and petty toward one another.
>>71160921
Degra and Shran would've been a great addition to the crew. My biggest complaint about Trek is how the ships are full of humans with a sprinkling of aliens. Look at TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY; the vast majority of the main casts play humans with a token alien here and there.
>>71163885
How can you miss the point this badly?
>>71163885
>Jadzia
>>71165357
Cadet, if your much-vaunted Ezri is truly so high and mighty, then why does she have zero good copypasta?
>>71165406
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...
Better than voyager or angry black man in space. More sincere and a more interesting setting. Characters seemed like real people not communist drones constantly making speeches about how great their totalitarian galactic empire is.
>>71165476
>Characters seemed like real people
Tell me everything that you can remember about Travis Mayweather.
>>71165534
Space boomer, had a run in with some woman that made it so he understood Orions get inside a guy's mind, also had a thing with reporter/spy, was critical in mission against terra prime, played a critical role in Hoshi becoming Empress.
VOY is more hated even though i find it extremely comfy. the only problem with VOY is that the main deck looks so bland and lifeless compared to other trek ships.
>>71165800
So, nothing about who he is, just a few things that happened to him?
Tell me everything that you can remember about Hoshi Sato.
>>71165913
>the only problem with VOY is that the main deck looks so bland and lifeless compared to other trek ships.
Oh, Voyager definitely had other problems too.
>Writer Favoritism (any character who wasn't the Captain, the Doctor or Seven ceased getting any development towards the end)
>Premise Betrayal (premise of limited resources, but they actually have infinite resources; premise of divided crew, but they actually get along perfectly)
>Network Interference (UPN tied the writers' hands when it came to actions having consequences via serialized plotlines; forced bad ideas on them like The Rock)
>Bad Leadership (Rick Berman wasn't willing to fight the network on the writers' behalf; he was willing to force bad ideas like all humans acting wooden and emotionless)
>Cynical Decision-Making (eliminating Kes just to free up some budget; punishing Kim because his actor was honest in interviews; keeping Kim only because of a magazine poll)
That's just what I consider the big stuff, not even counting the little behind-the-scenes bits like the Mulgrew-Ryan feud or Gregory J. Markopoulos.
>>71165464
>being a fool at all
ezrifags everyone
>>71143453
>Underrated post
>>71143244
Not as good as Voyager, but still good.
>>71161499
green yellow
>>71165913
>i find it extremely comfy.
Agreed.
>>71166494
ive only started watching season 2 so im not seeing any glaring flaws yet
>>71160496
obligatory
>>71143917
Not him, but what they did with that episode (beside letting Brannon Braga continue to piss on one of the greatest Trek villains the universe ever knew) was create an even bigger causality loop (or like some other anon said I think a few nights ago a loop within a loop).
The canon interpretation of events is this:
Q Who -> Feds meet Borg
Best of Both Worlds -> Borg Have Been Planning Federation Attack..they are thwarted
First Contact -> In a move only befitting a movie, Rick Berman decides on having the Borg "go back into time" (leaving us wondering why they never did that ever again or just go back to the point in time before pre-Warp)..they are thwarted
Regeneration - We find out a borg scout ship crashed and was preserved in the arctic.. series of events leads to borg getting destroyed but before so, a subspace signal is sent out that should reach it's destination in 200 some years
So basically the Borg may or may not have knew about humanity before Q Who
Also, somehow, humanity knew about the Borg before Q Who from Seven of Nine's parents. I geuss they found out about the Borg from Section 31? Or someone high up..?
In any event, it was a hare brained idea but that's Brandon Braggart for ya.
>>71145494
>the doctor
Fuck off.
>>71168718
>Pretending to unironically hate the Doctor
>>71164361
DS9 had a decent amount of aliens. Bajoran, trill, kilingon, changeling, cardassian, ferengi main characters. Only sisko, chief and senpai are human
>>71148198
>the borg cube they meet in TNG is heading for earth.
Tell me where in Q Who they actually say "It was on an intercept course for Earth...." ..all the way out here in the Delta Quadrant, perfect line to Earth.
>>71168943
Daily reminder that DS9 is nothing more than Babylon 5 in a Star Trek universe setting.
>>71168943
>augments aren't humans
True.
>>71165913
I just find the crew unlikeable besides Doctor and Neelix. Torres is the worst character in any Trek and Chikote is a close second.
>>71143244
THERE IS ONLY ONE KIRK AND HIS NAME IS SHATNER
>>71169020
You and >>71146596 should get a room together.
who /renegades/ here
why haven't you donated yet?
>>71169040
Jainway, Doctor, and Seven of nine are the top three characters on that show.
>>71145494
Trip Tucker III is fucking top 10 Trek characters. Captain Archer and T'Pol are a great team. Even Hoshi becomes somewhat likeable. Malcolm and Mayweather are horrible though. Phlox is pretty decent as well
>>71169099
You've been waiting this whole thread for one of us to post to say that haven't you?
>>71169126
>renegades
I don't know what Renegades is, but I do love that actor.
>>71169020
DS9's saving grace is the excellent actors/cast.
>>71151265
So help me, I will someday reencode my favorite eps with the original theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtWT-H3XQGI
>>71169159
no. the Doctor, and Seven of Nine's tits were the three best characters on that show.
>>71169159
7 of 9 is just tits connected to a fucking robot. Janeway is a retard who passes up at least 2 opporitunities to get her crew home.
>>71169278
STANDING TALL
ON THE WINGS OF MY DREAMS
>>71169268
>actors/cast.
With the exception of a few good choices the cast is what I dislike the most about DS9
>>71154157
>Brannon Braga revealed via his Twitter account that before cancellation there was some talk about setting the entire fifth season in the mirror universe.
I like this idea but for maybe a 3- or 4-parter. Then when the series comes back, it's 4 years later in the main storyline and the show could dive right into the Romulan War and end with the founding of the Federation. Make excuses for Shran to be there too.
>>71149288
But it's not a moral stance. Evolution is not moral in any way and does not necessary make things better. It's like wanting to destroy medicine because it's unfair people who aren't sick.
I guess wanting slaver race to die so slaves could be free might be a valid stance, but really.
>>71148514
>That TNG Prime Directive episode where Riker suddenly finds religion
>"If there is a cosmic plan, is it not the height of hubris for us to interfere"
>Go autistic, start yelling at screen that even an idiot could point out the flaws in that arguement
>Moments later Councillor Troy points out that if there was a cosmic plan they'd factored into said plan, so Riker's talking crap
Good job show.
>>71169236
watch at your own risk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE2Wgop9VLM
>>71169202
>one of us
>not one of me
You are the cancer that is killing Trek.
(Un)Fortunately, this place is immune.
>>71169321
>Janeway is a retard
I could listen to that woman talk all day. She's so well spoken and articulate.
>>71169321
Why doesn't she just put timers on the torpedoes and set them to blow after the Caretaker sends them home?
Why doesn't she just transwarp home and have the Doctor cure their lizardism in Earth orbit?
Why doesn't she just agree to have sex with Q when he offers to send them home?
Why doesn't Admiral Janeway give them the supertechnology years earlier, before a bunch of other crewmembers die?
Who the fuck thought that
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Geodesic_fold
was a good idea, and why can't Starfleet send Voyager regular shipments of supplies after Voyager makes contact with Starfleet?
Why, Voyager, why?
>>71169470
>Could have just set a time bomb to blow up the caretaker array after they use it to return home, in the voyager pilot.
>instead directly fires on it, strands everyone half way across the galaxy
nice one Janeway
>>71169462
>not one of me
>>71169580
>Inspect Element (Q)
Nice try.
>>71169549
>after they use it to return home, in the voyager pilot.
Wheres the fun in that?
>>71145658
On my second run-through of Voyager, his acting doesn't seem as bad and his character becomes more likeable.
He definitely isn't a bad character, he has a defined personality that has a mini-arc (although the writers screwed him in season 7 by pretty much giving him nothing other than a run in with Janeway about being an eternal ensign).
Also, he had a pretty good run on the space pussy department, even if he got space-herpes in the process.
>>71169696
Where's the fun in watching a series whose writers assume that the audience is stupid?
>>71161499
Why should I tell you about them when you can experiment them?
>>71169729
Depends if you enjoy it because you think knowing what Star Trek is makes you such a fucking NEEEERD, or do you enjoy it because it's the touching tale of an autistic woman and her struggles to cope with her asshole crew members who never cut her any slack and act as if her inability to understand social conventions was malicious?
>>71169947
>experiment them
What did he mean by this?
>>71143244
Bakula is a good captain.
his vulcan bitch is hot AF
and his security dude has movie night.
it's a good show. I remember when some literal ayy lamos boarded their ship and they were like unstoppable, but they just stunned people. curious space bros.
>>71143244
How many times are you going to make this thread?
>>71170243
Until you learn to forgive the sins of Enterprise and accept it into your heart, flaws and all.
>UPN lets Voyager have full 7 seasons
>cancels Enterprise just as it's getting great
Fuck those jews.
>>71170283
I liked it. Thought it was a kind of fun throwback to the heart of the TOS but with more modern sensibilities. Hated the theme song and thought it got stupid wonky with timetravel shit (beyond how Voyager exists, if I could change any one thing about the Star Trek universe, I'd get rid of the fucking time travel).
>>71170471
>UPN cancels Voyager after only 7 seasons just as it's getting great
Fuck those jews.
>>71170212
>Good captain
How so? He's incompetent and self righteous.
>>71170802
Archer is at his best when he's determined.
>>71170584
Season 7 Voyager blew compared to 4-6, do we need to go into this for the eleventh(ousandth) time?
It did nothing to close out Harry, pretty much at all and crammed all the ending arcs into either single episodes at the end or one-two episodes smooshed into the two parter "Endgame".
>>71143244
>didnt trek fans really hate this series? or am i mistaken?
It was terrible. It was shit, overall.
But it was still ten thousand times better than Voyager.
>>71170802
lol, was he? I haven't watched this shit in like 10 years...
>>71169462
Maybe it's because he's smart?
I get really tired on 4chan of arguing with fucktards who are clearly wrong but too dumb to know it a lot of the time but it is dishonorable on other boards to samefag so I just keep hitting them with my fat internet cock until I get banned (fuck /tv/ seriously).
Maybe he got tired of ugly fags who were clearly dumber than him disagreeing with him. It gets really tired when dumb people are like "ds9 is le best" and you explain why it's not and they go "it is!". They don't listen because they aren't smart enough to process new information and re-evaluate their opinions.
>>71171451
No, I'm not even talking about DS9 or the TNG arguments.
I'm talking about the guy who spams his "Daily reminders.." in every Trek thread I'm in, probably all of them, then pretends he's a different guy.
Maybe he is or isn't, I just hate people forcing dumb shit every day but that's the nature of the beast.
>>71170908
What does this have to do with having a few more seasons of Seven of Nine in a tight catsuit ?
>>71171781
Nothing, to my knowledge.
I liked her "research" in the holodeck, if you can remove Chakotay from the mix.
>>71171887
Is this attire Starfleet appropriate?
>>71171451
Are you ban-evading right now?
>>71165357
Ezri got Klingon'd too m8
>>71167644
>>71144319
None of those time travels were done with Red Matter which is essentially macguffin material
Red matter probably just opens a door to a previously undiscovered universe which happened to be something like 100 years in the past
![poster_v5[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/d6MVgFG.jpg "poster_v5[1].jpg")
>>71169470
Have you watched the geocentrism documentary she narrated?
>>71172572
Just like in The Voyage Home, when Kirk traveled to a parallel universe where Earth was still stuck in the 1980s.
Thank you Bob Orci.
>>71172585
We need a list of Essential /trek/ Fraudcore.
>Kate Mulgrew's geocentric documentary
>Jamake Highwater's Armenian documentaries
>Jonathan Frakes' fictional "facts" that are literally beyond belief
>>71165357
>living a lie
i feel sorry for you ezritard
>>71169470
Its not that i don't LIKE her, I just think she's a shit captain.
>>71172735
You haven't even seen J. Highwater's documentaries, friend.
>>71169510
Reasons... Thats why.
It pisses me off to no end how many times she fucks up
>>71173058
Have you watched the geocentrism documentary that Janeway narrated?
Avery Brooks cannabinoids documentary when
>>71143244
I hate Voyager, Enterprise is more garden variety boring instead of nails on chalkboard torture.
>>71170802
Not at all.
