Here we discuss the beauty that is The Wire.
inb4
>liberal
>cuck
>mu homosecks
Currently rewatching and on season 4. It makes me remember the times when HBO doesn't assume it's audience is retarded.
There was the joke ab Snyder not being on the case of season 2. Was that a breaking the third wall thing? Cause a lot of people totally forget about him while watching the show and I am sure I did the first two runs. He doesn't really do anything most of the time apart from being effective.
>>71134974
that's not a joke, that's a statement of fact
>>71135006
Yes but how come the character forgot about him not being there? That seems highly unlikely and more like a tongue in cheek thing regarding the audience.
Season 4 being so good absolutely boggles the mind given child actors are generally fucking awful.
Also fucking PREZBO becoming my favourite character was something I never saw coming.
>>71134974
who the fuck is Snyder
>>71135065
Oh, it's Sydnor. Sorry.
>>71135104
Him being the new McNulty at the end of S5 didn't make much sense given he was pretty much a non character. Carver was far more of a street-smart cop by the end.
>>71135060
>favorite character
>muh nigger students dinduuuuu
>that guy that thinks season 2 is bad
>>71135247
>>71134974
QED
>>71135233
Well it was not one character replacing another. More likes roles being divided up - like Kima who turns into McNulty regarding her private life. Sydnor always played it straight but never got to the bad boys. I am okay with him being frustrated at some point.
>>71135274
It was boring. MUH WORKING CLASS POLLACK PROBLEMS. Only saving grace was dockboy's girlfriend's tits.
>>71135247
>hating niggers
>watching the wire
Did you just watch the show for Herc cracking heads or something?
>>71135369
>I never worked a day in my life
Acting was goat, the family arc was great and the whole connection between the docks, the greeks and the game was entertaining.
>>71134902
>be 17
>watch the wire for the first time
>care only about plot and characters, i had a great time
>22
>watch the wire again
>this time i'm educated in cinematography and editing
>fuck the wire is beautiful
>have a great fucking time
Does it have any flaw? Have HBO ever even thought of milking this series out? It's fucking pristine, you couldn't improve it.
>>71135919
Some of the acting doesn't hold up very well. Especially in season 1 and 5. I actually think this is the reason people hate season 5.
>>71134902
I can't watch shows with black people in them.
>>71135919
some of the acting and some of the lines are a bit heavyhanded at times
also the arc of season 5 of course
>>71135997
Then remove yourself from this thread.
Omar is the greatest character ever written
>>71135369
>needs more niggers!
This is literally how the average HBO fan thinks
>>71134902
2>4>1>3>>>>>>>>5
![The_Wire_Brother_Mouzone[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LrP2YKN.jpg "The_Wire_Brother_Mouzone[1].jpg")
>>71134902
It's a fantasy show about excusing blacks for their violent criminal behavior by blaming invisible power structures. I liked it when i was in high school because it was well-written and more in-depth than most programs, but rewatching it I can't stand the politics or the half-baked philosophy or the corny characters who are mostly just fawning liberal caricatures. Had to stop watching when this guy came up, I just couldn't take it seriously any more
>>71136726
>le gangsta who sucks cock but says one-liners
So progressive!
>>71134902
Kenard did nothing wrong.
he was so fucking /fa/
>>71136951
who excused clay davis?
>>71136951
>liberal
>>71134974
>>71136951
The power structure thing is certainly there and there are characters who are not realistic at all (which for me intensifies the feel of realism towards the other characters and settings but nvm). The thing you are forgetting/disregarding is that every major characters had a choice. Bubs had the choice to stop doing drugs and at some point he did and got his act together. There was no invisible power structure stopping him. Same for example for Marlo: He had the chance to stop being in the game and didn't. Again free will at play. Daniels had the choice to stop being Carcettis bitch and he did. Even Omar had the choice of staying in the fucking carribean of whatever. Of course the choices are limited for each character/class/race/gender but no one is pre-determined in the show.
You can go ahead and acting all "red pilled" but the truth is that the show displays both: Invisible power structures of a rigged game and the extend in which people can act in them. The message that Americans black have less opportunities i.e. less of a choice is an empirically grounded one. This is why people are confused about season 2 I think.
>>71137165
Also:
>The only people who really dislike the second season are white people. People got mad that they moved it out of the hood. And look, there might be an element that the character is annoying, but there’s that feeling of familiarity too. That the blue collar worker might hit a little close to home rather than the projects of East Baltimore. Ziggy is more like a family member you might have; there’s not this cognitive dissonance. You’re much more likely to know someone like Ziggy than to know someone like Omar.
>And Ziggy is a very castrated white male. And when people see that there’s no room for social mobility, I think it reflects back on themselves: their own delusions about their own social mobility.
http://observer.com/2015/01/ziggy-goes-down-actor-james-ransone-on-playing-the-jarjar-binks-of-the-wire/
>>71137189
To add to your post: Dookie could've gone to vocational school instead of living the scrap metal cart life
>>71136951
it doesn't really excuse much of their behaviour desu, most it does is make you feel sorry for the kids - i can't think of a character who i think was good or absolved of the actions they took
also mouzone is based upon a real guy, and with the influence of nation of islam upon certain blacks and the way they often dressed/acted is mouzone really that surprising/odd?
>>71135233
Carver also never burnt bridges or ignored the chain of command to make a case. And he made rank. Sydnor helped make the serial killer's phone call.
>>71137189
Is that really the general consensus? That ziggy and the second season are disliked?
>>71137189
>armchair psychoanalysis that involves the projection of his own racial self-hatred and feelings of castration onto millions of white viewers is why people didn't care about some irritating pole unloading cargo for ten episodes in a row
fun fact: the only people who bothered to watch this show outside of Baltimore were white
>>71135919
When try to draw parallels between characters they have someone repeat a previous line, usually verbatim. Comes across a bit patronising.
>>71137406
Dunno. Around where I live (Germany) we don't have blacks and me and most of my friend have blue collar backgrounds so we loved season 2 since it had the most impact. IMDB rating for season 2 aren't that low either but I feel that there is someone in every The Wire thread bitching about Zig.
>>71137389
carver was basically on path to take bunny's place
>>71137406
seems so, gotta admit on first watch season 2 was good but a bit of a disappointment as I really just wanted more of season 1
on second viewing and seeing it fitting into the show as a whole i appreciated it a lot more, especially ziggy who is a pretty tragic figure
>>71137165
>empirically
Don't use this word unless you know what it means.
>>71137406
>ziggy
yeah this one literally thought he impregnated the local whore. what big fat dumb cunt.
he is the Fry of the Wire, but doing illegal things.
>>71137450
Fun fact: You are a making shit up and you are (probably) a /pol/-tard.
>>71137523
treme's a show that needs more love
>>71137492
http://digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6001&context=fss_papers
>inb4 muh jew controlled ivy league universities.
>>71135247
Where's that pasta about /pol/ being the new furfags?
>>71137468
I'm German too.
You're forgetting that American blue collar workers are fucking delusional and hold onto the American Dream like crazy.
>>71137895
Yes, this is why, I agree with the Ziggy actor, they dislike season 2. It painful cause it shatters their delusion.
>>71136778
It's really funny seeing people so upset at the Wire season 2 and True Detective season 2.
The only real complaint they can muster is that it's unlike the first season, as if that was somehow a negative.
>its a wire thread
>no mention of weebay, the character /tv/ agreed is the best
100%
>>71138040
>muh fishes
>>71138040
>not Slim Charles
>literally surviving two purges while keeping it real
>>71138085
>relates to weebay as 'muh fishes'
LAFFIN
>>71137189
shit son, I'm a fucking. white. male. from a working class union family and Season 2 is my favorite for that exact same reason. If it "hits a little too close to home" for you and that somehow makes it unenjoyable, you must be a gigantic pussy.
So Dookie becomes bubbles right?
He never stood a chance
Shut up and post the chess scene copy pasta.
>>71138218
>decent thread
>actual discussion
>post muh memes
>>71138240
>muh discussion no humor allowed ok reddit XD
>>71136726
You spelt McNulty wrong.
>>71138172
>teacher bends over backwards to help you make something out of your life
If anything, Dookie's storyline is the biggest piece of /pol/bait in the entire series. It suggests that a street nigger can never shake the degenerate lifestyle, no matter how much sympathy and help he's given
>>71138263
should have posted it yourself you lazy cunt.
>>71138263
>asking for pasta
>humor
>>71138277
Shhhh don't tell them their dichotomous worldview doesn't work properly here.
Favorite scene?
While season 5 was frustrating my favorite part was McNulty hearing the FBI's profile for his fake killer
>>71134902
Why is McNulty so fucking based?
Why do you guys don't like season 5? What's so bad about it?
>>71138324
>We used to make shit in this country, build shit. Now we just put our hand in the next guy's pocket.
And I am not even American but this guy feels like the death of the American Dream and the promise of Western civilization.
>>71138324
That was dope as fuck
>>71138374
too over-the-top
journalist self-insert
>>71138374
newspaper story was a bit shit and that twat scott templeton made my blood boil
>>71138386
The end of Season 2, with Steve Earle's (cameo as Bubble's AA group speaker) "Feel Alright" is amazing.
>>71138458
Isn't that season 4?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Xx66ItppM
>>71135369
I disagree but I fapped to those tits.
They are 10/10
>>71136807
5 was such a letdown. I remeber thinking "WHAT THE FUCKING FUUUUUUUCCCKKKKK?!?!?!?"
During my first watch
>>71136807
The real order is 4>3>2=1>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5
>>71137523
>>71137450
Rekt.
>>71136951
I agree but it also "humanized" some of the ghetto pieces of shit, especially season 4 when it involved the children and how they had to decide what kind of life they were going to lead at a very young age with no second chances.
>>71137468
i dont know which "kaff" you live in but there are tons of black people in the big cities here in germany.
>>71135369
>shit taste: the post
>>71137664
i've not seen this but it sounds like it might be good, somebody provide pls
>>71135997
Great thread to click on then, you stupid cunt.
>>71138616
My kaff is called Berlin. At least here we don't have quarter with 90+ black/foreign people. Might be different in Frankfurt or Hamburg I conceded. In general though German cities have a way lesser segregation than American cities.
>>71137406
Season 2 is my 2nd favorite to season 4
>>71137563
University of Chicago law review.
>disregarded.
Frankfurt school critical theory bullshit. A study can't be empirical without quantitative measurements.
>>71138097
This. Slim was the realest of them all
>>71138097
Icing Method Man was titties as well
>muh hoodrat philosopher chess playing noble negros
holy fucking reddit the show
>>71138718
Walking right into the inb4. You won't turn this into a /pol/thread. Go hug your redneck sister.
>>71138277
Not at all. Of the 4 of them he became a fiend, Michael a soldier who got out of the life... Etc. some made it some didnt. Doomie probably had the most potential and I think that was the point.
>>71138797
Yeah except loved this show before reddit was a thing.
>>71138845
/tv/ I mean.
>>71135473
What if I watched it like a nature documentary of the nigger in his habitat?
>>71138919
Did you just use the word habitat in a sentence?
>>71138816
Buttblasted sociology major detected. Saying "go back to /pol/ doesn't make anything I sId any less true. Enjoy your 60,000$ student debt for your 31,000$ per year career.
>>71137492
>>71137563
BTFO
He used the word fine, dickhead.
>>71138919
stick with The Shield for that
the wire is a fantasy drama not unlike GoT
>>71138939
Did you?
>>71138833
did he? i mean he was probably in the worst situation with crackheads as parents, at least michael and the others had clean clothes
i don't know about potential though, i think it was trying to show they had some sort of potential - one got fucked for doing the right thing, one became part of a fucked up system on his own terms, one got some help but fucked up and the other got 'lucky'(actually got a stable home environment and did well)
>>71138943
>extrapolating a college degree from an anti/pol/ argument because you don't have a leg to stand on
not that guy but you're an epic fail.
>>71138951
Empirically means verifiable or proveable through experiment. He did not use the word correctly. Stop samefagging newfriend.
>>71138943
not him but the report is clearly using quantitative data and i doubt you've read anything by the frankfurt school
>>71138943
>anything I sId any less true
Ok, I doesn't make anything you "sld" less true buddy boy. But if had read the thread you'd know by now that I am not American and this student debt stuff doesn't exist in Germany where I am currently receiving a full academic scholarship while working on my history PhD. You are right about the sociology thing but I got only a B.A. in that field.
Also you don't know what the Frankfurt school is and everything you ever read about it are /pol/-macros,
>>71138969
>thatsthejoke.tiff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoiJRKwiC1Y
it makes me sad that neo-4chan considers this series SJW as fuck now
>>71139003
Wrong. It's through observation OR experiment. Look it up. Humanities can work empirically without experiments (Like history does...).
>>71136726
Bunk is
>>71138995
Sure pal. It was the anti/pol/ argument. Here, i'll end it this discussion right now. Why not just look up the definition of "empirically" instead of posting some University of Chicago fluff study. Frankfurt School sociology is the biggest fucking crock of shit ever published. It isn't the least but proveable or replicatable. Complete nonsense. The /pol/ response would be to call him a commie or a Bernie voter or something like that. Instead of Ad Hom I simply blew a fat hole in his little anecdotal "evidence" to defend his claim that he properly used the word "empirical" when he didn't. You're samefagging anyway so fuck off you pretentious little shit.
>>71139085
Imagine Louis CK, King of the Hill or Sopranos would start airing now. Neo-/tv/ would totally chimp out about every female or colored character in it.
>>71139047
Pointing out typos sure is a solid argument.
>>71139143
> Louis CK
dude you don't even know
>>71139143
They already did with Louis though.
>>71138543
Why? I liked all the seasons and can see how the arc about magazine is not that exiting but nothing made me upset.
>>71139177
>>71139170
Yes but the first seasons were loved. /tv/ introduced me during season 3 or so.
>>71139003
>samefagging
It's possible to have two educated people here at the same time and it was empirical evidence. You're just thick.
>>71139191
don't let newfags hear you, it's clearly an SJW show for cucks
>>71139129
>Empirical evidence, also known as sense experience, is a collective term for the knowledge or source of knowledge acquired by means of the senses, particularly by observation and experimentation.
>The twin critiques of metaphysics and science provide a space for Horkheimer to present his own view. The aim of materialist social research is to combine specific empirical studies with more comprehensive theorizing.
>http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/horkheimer/
>Horkheimer's emphasis on empirical studies was fully in line with Marx's own theory
https://books.google.de/books/about/Max_Horkheimer_and_the_Foundations_of_th.html?id=RvZAg-ICX_UC&redir_esc=y
You are a faggot.
>>71134902
People don't really think this is deep, do they?
This is just god tier levels of spoon-feeding.
>>71139129
There is a whole institute for contemporary history in the vein of the Frankfurt School. Some of the most esteemed historians worked there at some point.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institute_for_Social_Research
They are especially know for their voluminous (empirical) studies on the Holocaust like the ones from Michael Wildt.
>>71139339
it's just supposed to be a putdown of a character who thinks he's above it
>>71139085
it's partly 4chan but it's also an inevitable and partly justified reaction to quite a lot of people who think they understand black people's plight by watching the wire and uh like we should totally do something to fix it it's so unfair, why can't i just sit down all republicans and make them watch the wire ugh
>>71139354
Who is also a Jew which contradicts triggered /pol/lacks to a certain extent.
>>71139129
mate, this level of retardation is just sad
>>71139184
They just blew through it. The serial killer thing was so campy, the tone didnt match the show. The newspaper actors were twats.
>>71135233
It makes perfect sense. Sydnor is an effective police, which is what McNulty is at his core. McNulty gets sick of the politics and winds up where we see him at the start of the show, which is where we see Sydnor approaching by the end
>>71139234
Why do you even post here
just go back to r3ddit
>>71139467
I've never been to reddit, newfriend.
>>71135369
Hung out with dock workers and a union boss last week. RIP Frank
>>71139467
>everybody who disagrees with neo-/tv/ is from rebbit
>>71139448
it was obviously a personal grudge simon has, lost the balance and nuance that made the first 4 seasons good
>>71139342
Muh Holocaust. So if I call those studies bullshit I'm an anti-semite? Is that where this is going?
I have a BA in Chemistry so yeah, I'm sure you've read more Frankfurt School shit than me. Congrats. Pat yourself on the back. You're doing the whole world a service.
>>71135997
I know. Even worse is watching black people eat.
>>71139560
Here's a hint anon: don't pretend to know about things you don't.
Move on.
>>71139560
Thing is that I doubt you understand how humanities operate. Not a single event in history can be replicated and yet empirical studies are the foundation on which modern history is working.
I brought the Shoa thing up cause holocaust-deniers often point out that the Frankfurt School and Jews in general suppress research on the holocaust especially in Germany when in fact exactly the opposite is the case. Also I am not fond of the Frankfurt School at all but I am able to talk about it without having foam on my mouth.
And since you are implying that I am not doing the world any service: My scholarship is directly linked to my voluntary activities providing free education for young students from a working class background. Not that I feel superior because of that (I do like 4 hours a week) but you are really barking up the wrong tree about altruism since chemistry is really not much more than working for big business. My brother and my uncle both are chemists and had a really hard time finding an employer that is not in bed with the military-industrial complex. Guess that this might be a German thing though.
>>71139008
That and U. of Chicago has literally nothing to do with the Frankfurt School.
>>71139421
Yeah, pretty sure the bar for retardation was set when you started accusing everyone of being /pol/. Its just as bad as saying --->/r/
>>71139548
What do you mean? Simon didn't like journalists?
>>71138277
Nah bro, he becomes bubbles and bubbles by the end becomes something worthwhile. The point being in their case that there's always a worse rock bottom to hit, and no matter how many people try to help over the years it's not until they decide to pull themselves out that something better can happen.
>>71139778
i havent accused anyone of being /pol/, i'm not the history guy - but it's clear the guy i called retarded doesn't know much about either sociology or the frankfurt school and i wish he'd just stop talking
i'd rather another wire thread just descended into season power rankings and characters rankings than this shite
Im about to watch this for the first time, What torrent should I get? I'm not asking for a link, just what rip is the best?
>>71139861
Look up the bluray collection
>>71139805
Simon was a journalist, the grudge is against crapy for-profit journalism I guess. He was probably too comfortable working around the journalism field that he probably didn't realize how underdeveloped it felt to the average viewer.
>>71139758
You're right, I do not have any idea how Humanities operates which is kind of why I dropped it. I have a huge prejudice against 95% of social sciences so thats just me being an arrogant fucker. I'll just take the advice and not talk about things I don't know about.
Sidenote: why don't you like the military-industrial complex?
>>71139911
I disagree. Simon afaik did not want the HD version since he felt the 4:3 and the lower resolution add to the documentary character of the show. Having said this the cinematography is gorgeous at times and deserved the bluray release.
>>71139805
no simon was a journalist who worked at the sun and hated a particular journalist and probably a few others who were just making up shit to sell papers, so this personal experience in an institution he probably holds dear isn't going to have the most nuanced take from simon
it's also kinda obvious that gus was basically a simon self insert
>>71139861
i don't know about particular rips but you might want to look into whether you want the 16:9 or 4:3 ratio, bearing in mind that simon specifically shot it for 4:3
>>71139573
They smack dem lips a lot.
>>71139954
In German those people are literally working for Nazi companies. My family is from the GDR and they are all sort of disappointed communists. For them these companies are literally the worst of Western society. I am partial about that since I can only see them following the mechanics laid out by society/laws.
>>71139911
>>71139959
>>71139964
Might just grab the DVD then.
>>71139861
SD is fine, don't bother with the Blu-ray.
>>71139860
Fine. I concede. Power rankings are 4>2>3>1>5. Everyone knows this
Cheese was worst boy.
Slim Charles was the realest boy.
>>71140016
Don't really listen to Simon's concerns, the show looks gorgeous in HD especially season 4
season 2 was the only season i liked even though i guess it's the most hated. maybe i just don't like niggers and it's an impossibility for me to empathize with them on any level
>>71140237
desu im downloading every season as a DVD rip and BluRay rip. Based BTN has all of them.
>>71140000
I wonder if Japanese people feel weird working for companies associated with WWII Japanese companies. Only reason I wonder this is because Japan was much worse than Germany was in my eyes. Russia too. I'm not a Holocaust denier or anything like that but it always seemed to me that the average guy had no idea that shit was going on.
>>71140316
I don't think the average Jap knew about shit like Unit 731 too
>>71140316
Interesting point although I guess a lot of Jap companies are much older than the war whereas the German companies (Krupp, Oetker, the list goes on) really grew because of the war.
>>71136807
Correct
>>71140373
It was just a thought. It sucks to think of how good Germany, Nazism could have been if Hitler had just just stopped in 1938. I've always had a fascination with WWII. Its surreal to think about.
>>71140652
Well it's the collective effort and the ceasing of liberal politics. By now we live in a world in which every collective action is labeled communist. The Nazis fucked that up too.
>>71140773
Yeah they shit the bed.
Is it worth watching seasons 3+ ?
The first 2 were good but the beginning of s03 doesn't look promising.
>>71134974
>breaking the third wall
Daily reminder that this is your average The Wire fanboy. What a thoroughly pleb show.
the only good thing about season 2
>>71141202
don't listen to /tv/ memelords, watch it all, season 5 isn't as good as the rest but it's still better put together than most other things on tv.
>>71139184
The "fake serial killer" plotline was fucking ridiculous
>>71141260
best season, pleb
>>71141260
Possibly best ever tits on an HBO show (maybe tied with Daddario's)
