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>>71126931

Could you give a 1 hour lecture on asoiaf/GoT in a formal classroom setting? Explaining Aegons conquest, Roberts Rebellion, up to the last episode?
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>>71128532
WHY WOULD THEY CUT THAT
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>So I told Jon to forgive me for almost getting him and all his men killed, and he actually did it, the absolute madman
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>>71129620
secretly he's planning to give his BIG COCK TO DAENERYS SOTMRBORNNN
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>>71129460
>mfw even though I was spoiled seeing the Vale Banners made you mark out
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>>71129592
No because I'm not on the spectrum.
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>>71129660
>mark out
>>>/asp/
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Next Episode confirmed info:

>Cersei doesn't show up to her trial
>Cersei blows up the Great Sept of Baelor with wildfire, killing Mace, Loras, Margaery, Kevan, High Sparrow, Pycelle, some Sparrows, some random citizens, and Lancel
>Tommen commits suicide by jumping out of a window
>Daenerys sets sail for Westeros(final scene of the season)
>Arya kills Walder Frey and makes Frey pies
>Jon is named King in the North by the Northern lords, Manderly gives a speech that convinces them all
>Davos makes Melissandre tell Jon that she burned Shireen
>Bran sees the rest of the Tower of Joy scene
>Bran arrives at The Wall, Benjen leaves
>Jon learns his parentage
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Holy shit, I know showfags and normies usually defend the show but I've never seen them this viscous about it.

They're completely shitting on anyone who has the slightest criticism about 609. It's honestly kind of scary.
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17rd for sansa is a cunt
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OBLIG STANNIS CAMEO
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>>71129670
>I'm not on the spectrum.
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Nth for Branfu is bestfu
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Preston
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How come Reddit makes ridiculous stories and theories to defend the plot inconsistencies?

>It definitely makes sense! Sansa didn't want to tell Jon and the wildling army there's going to be reinforcements so they're going to fight harder! If they knew Littlefinger was coming, they wouldn't fight as hard, and even wildings + Vale knights combined would've lost! Sansa did the right thing!

>(This comment has 2000 points)
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>>71129592
Yeah, ranting about fake history is easy, just like real history. It would be more interesting to have an in-depth lecture on the Sopranos, and not just because it's a better show.
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>>71129721
Please tell me you made this up
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>>71129704
lel, that dude put his penis into a tail and the baby grabbed it
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>>71129721
its just cucks
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>>71129695
>>71129670
Underrated posts. Does Meer-Meer need a hug though?
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>>71129720
WHEN
H E
E H
NEHW
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>>71129660
Awe it's a mink!
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>>71129677
>Adding confirmed spoilers with your retarded ideas to give it legitimacy

Also did d&d steal our tommen suicide idea? I remember us agreeing (not you newfags) tommen would probably die from suicide by jumping 2 seasons ago
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>>71129721
Wun Wun with a tree to swing around and some light armor could have taken out half of their army.
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>>71129721
That is very far-fetched, I think people tend to fight quite hard regardless if their life is at risk.
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>>71129704
>>71129729
Wew lad
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>>71129721
I just assumed that Sansa wasn't sure if she could actually trust Littlefinger, because of every fucking thing that actually happened, and/or didn't want to get Jon's hopes up if Littlefinger didn't help.
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>>71129721
>people don't fight hard for their life when they have the numbers

it's not a fucking drunken pingpong game.
people fight as hard as they fucking can when losing means death ( not just losing the battle, losing any encounter ).
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>>71129677
>Davos makes Melissandre tell Jon that she burned Shireen

Why would Jon really care?
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>>71129761
Soon. Prepare for based Preston!
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>>71129721
usually I avoid this like plague, but this i have to see to be sure you're not making this shit up.
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>>71129729
dumb as all fuck
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>>71129771
What are you talking about? All of thoss things are confirmed. We did guess that a while back yeah. Maybe they did.

>>71129812
She burned a child alive
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>>71129660
qt3.14
It looks like a ferret
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Why were the Bolton soldiers inside Winterfell still willing to fight for Ramsay even when the battle was clearly lost

I thought they said that Ramsay inspires no loyalty, he only rules through fear, yet the soldiers inside the castle fight to the last man. Wouldn't it have been hilarious if Ramsay's men turned on him like Theon's men did to him?
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Just dozed off for 10 minutes dreaming about sophie showing me around england and her vagina
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>>71129592
First for Smirkfu 2.0 > > > > > Strokefu
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>>71129689
KEK
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>>71129660
>tfw I thought this would be my phobia
>tfw mentally preparing myself to be triggered as fuck
>tfw it's a qt ermine
>but I'm still thinking about phobia so triggered anyway
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>>71129852
and? Jon hung a kid
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Anons, I know having GoT articles in normal publications is usually pretty cringy shit, but this one is actually good. Addresses a lot of points I've seen on /got/ in the past few days.

http://theweek.com/articles/631406/game-thrones-sansa-problem
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lol, Reddit deletes any "Preston Watches Episode X" threads because they're too negative about the show

they only allow his Q&A vids
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Ramsay was right when he said Sansa will always carry around a piece of him now. Did he deserve to die like that? Absolutely, but Sansa being the one to do it seals her fate. Of course, female characters in this show are blameless, so maybe she'll just be the kind and enlightened queen in the North.
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>>71129721
Daily reminder
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>>71129879
A kid that assisted in his own murder
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>>71129900
they're right
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>>71129900
>books are about how wars and battles are bad
>the show celebrates violence and death and killing and war and torture and brutality
>normies lap this shit up
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>>71129861
Cause they thought they could just last through a siege and turning on Ramsay is too late now, Jon's and his men will kill all of them no matter what now after the main battle is over
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>>71129861
Maybe they fear the crown more than the loyalty that they don't have to Bolton?
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>>71129888
Reddit will never understand our Preston
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>>71129812
>>71129677
Davos will kill Melissandre.
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>there are people here that unironically go on reddit
why
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>>71129931
>the show celebrates violence and death and killing and war and torture and brutality
did you even see that battle, faggot?
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>>71129852
>She burned a child alive

Yeah, what this guy said >>71129879

What would it matter to Jon? Is he gonna execute her now? He's already been resurrected by her once and doesn't want it to happen again. He doesn't need her for anything but he wouldn't care enough to kill her.
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>>71129922
game of thrones >>>>>>>> lord of the shit! i was't even born when the movies come out, how can they be good!
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>>71129852
Walter frey is killed by the brothers without banners, like in the book and the reason they bothered showing these niggers again

Cersei is probably dying in the explosion

There was no leak that jon is crowned or targ nonsense
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>>71125318
That was beautiful anon
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>>71129961
Yes, and people says how fucking EPIC and WOAH MY DICK IS DIAMONDS it is.
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>>71129812
maybe it's just me always trying to make sense of a show that never does make any sense, but I think Jon is in charge and all that so Davos reports this to the commander...

...which still doesn't make any sense I guess, given Davos already once tried to murder Melisandre despite the will of his commander who was in the same room.
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>>71129967
underage b%
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>>71129917
>implying Shireen's own living weakening the King's blood didn't assist in Stannis's death
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>>71129931
>books are about how battles are bad
>Unironically thinking Germ's writing is that deep
Wow
Holy shit.
Wow.
What's it like to be that dumb?
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>>71129683
of course they get mad. they are on the bandwagon 100% and ep 9 is always the largest effort per season
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>>71129996
>Yes, and people says how fucking EPIC and WOAH MY DICK IS DIAMONDS it is.
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>>71129984
There was a pic of a letter with a broken Targ seal that Jon supposedly receives from CIA
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>>71129984
>Walter frey is killed by the brothers without banners, like in the book and the reason they bothered showing these niggers again

Nope, truede confirmed another guys leak about Arya

>Cersei is probably dying in the explosion


Nope. High Sparrows actor confirmed she doesnt show up

>There was no leak that jon is crowned or targ nonsense

Yes there was
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>>71130041
Do you not agree it's fucking epic?

The battle was BRUTAL.
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>>71129721
>I'm not going to bother blocking that sword swing because the Vale army is going to come save us all anyway
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Really jon not getting crowned would fit his oppressed jesus narrative, I could see sansa seizing it with little fingers knights in return for marriage
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>>71130056
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whats going to happen to The Dreadfort? Is Jon gonna give it to Tormund?
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>>71129963
Besides, its not like Melisandre's methods don't work. She brought Jon back from the fucking dead. As long as Davos frames it as, don't listen to her whispers to intently, then its all cool. Besides, Melisandre doesn't seem to be taking her position that well anymore anyways.
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>Have a giant
>Like a fucking massive and ridiculously strong giant who is your bro
>Know you are fighting a battle you have very little chance of winning without your giant
>Your enemy and their horses have never seen a giant and believe they don't exist
>Send your giant bro into battle to fight at a close range with his fists and no protection instead of equiping him to fight and using the many advantages he provides to guarantee your victory with minimal casualties
God this pisses me off so much. Literally boil every piece of leather you can get and mix it together with as much timber, chainmail, and spare shields you can muster to make a suit of giant armor. Break off on or two of the keep doors and put a handle on the back to serve as shields. Strap a tree or some long reaching melee weapon to the back. Move some boulders or giant sized javelins to the battle field just in case. Back up your giant with a small troop of men comprised of archers and pikemen. Congratulations, you have an unstoppable tank that can solo a large portion of the enemy army and tear down their fortifications. But no, CGI budget doesn't allow for logical strategy
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>>71130073
epic means long

it wasn't even half the episode
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>>71130073
>Do you not agree it's fucking epic?
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>The battle was BRUTAL.
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>>71129996
lol ok kiddo.

To be fair, the battle scenes are badass - very well done. But the show isn't making it look glorious any more than the books are. It'ds satisfying to see evil characters get fucked up, yeah, but there's a good balance of virtuous characters meeting their end too, as well as emotional portrayals of how terrible violence can destroy people.
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>>71130087
BEST FUCKING EPISODE WOAH

IT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY SHOW I WATCH

BUT IT'S SO FUCKING EPIC
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Would LF try and marry Sansa himself, or marry her off to Robin?

Marrying her himself means he has a claim to the North but still has to keep controlling and getting back to Robin to get him to help his uncle Petyr and cousin Sansa.

Marrying Sansa to Robin gives him an agent he controls who he can teach to control Robin for him and rule the Vale and the North for him while he goes around doing whatever.

Either way he'll fuck Sansa, just be more quiet and secretive about it in the second scenario.
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>>71129886
Not the place for intelligent discussion, anon. Thanks anyway for the article
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>>71130088
>TheTorfort
>Our Members are long
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>>71130066
leaks aren't confirmed unless paired with shit that actually came true, even the correct bastard bowl leak had inaccuracies because it was just extras
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>>71129955
for the upvotes
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>>71130106
>"psssht, do you guys see this loser? he actually enjoyed something haha"
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>>71130122
so triggered, chill out faggot.
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>>71129900
The intro continuous shot of Jon hacking through the battlefield is the greatest medieval battle sequence ever caught on film

Don't even bother trying to refute me, you know I'm right.
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Since this episode is the highest rated episode this season, how does it compare to Blackwater and Hardhome?
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>>71130095
>Melisandre doesn't seem to be taking her position that well anymore anyways.

This is true - she's not. She's already seen the failure of her premonitions in Stannis - she doesn't know what to believe anymore. She's not intending to manipulate Jon or anyone anymore.

The real conflict will be between Davos and her - not Jon.
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>>71130122
Not true at all, they also watch Breaking Bad.
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>>71130167
better than both, even with CB
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>>71130146
These leaks are all from sources thst have been completely accurate
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>>71130125
>I thought you knew what I want

Nudity confirmed
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>>71130167
>how does it compare to Blackwater and Hardhome?
Worse and worse. Only the writing, though, not the action and cinematography.
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What kind of man would shoot a Giant before throwing him out of his castle?
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>>71130188
cleganebowl?
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>>71130146
you're mixing up what some extra said and the guy who actually saw the episodes. Well 2 guys really, since the whole Arya Frey thing was leaked by a second guy.
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Why are people praising blackwater anyways? everything happened offscreen, or do you guys like it just because Stannis was in it?
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>>71130195
Lying nigger, Im a leak pro and arya will never teleport to westeros, it will be the hound attacking with the brothers screen cap this
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Could Littlefinger bring Jon a handsome old man? Howland to reveal Jon's true parentage?
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>>71130224
What kind of man would shoot a dying Giant before shooting Jon the Bastard?
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>>71129592
>Could you give a 1 hour lecture on asoiaf/GoT in a formal classroom setting? Explaining Aegons conquest, Roberts Rebellion, up to the last episode?
Yes because I'm a teacher.

>mfw did three lessons on the EU referendum today
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>>71130229
The explosion was cool
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>>71130184
Breaking Bad was a fantastic show as well.

You don't have to be a contrarian faggot all your life - you can stop now and save yourself a lot of grief by realizing that sometimes popular things are also good.
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>>71130226
CAS BACL
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>>71130167
Worse than Blackwater, better than Hardhome. Horde of le meme zombies just don't do it for me. And writing that allowed this battle to happen was shit, so Blackwater still remains my favourite episode of the show.
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>>71130267
the green explosion was hella f*cking epic!
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>>71130249
Not lying, its all confirmed man.
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>>71130258
better have been the benefits of #brexit you ponce
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>>71130270
Saying faggot doesn't make you one of us, tourist.
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>>71130300
How is it confirmed? Did a writer do an AMA on reddit timestamping his ID?
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>>71130229
Black water had less cgi shittery and extras with just a core amount of people who could pretend sword fight well on screen
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>>71130122
it's literally the only show I watch (for real) and I was still let down.

never watched more tv because everything is dumbed down so fucking much, and I tried GoT because asoiaf, but it's still the same shit.
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>>71130336
>implying I want to be one of you

Thank fucking Christ it doesn't ;) I'll take that as a compliment.
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Requesting pic of CIA's smug-ass expression
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>>71129879
>sworn brother comitted treason
vs
>innocent child doing nothing

totally the same
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>>71130349
Theyre from people who have been 100% accurate all season with other leaks. Spot on on everything
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Why did they show Jon almost dying like 20 times in the battle? Was it luck/plot armor or was it meant to show that after being resurrected he can't die?
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>>71130159
no u
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>normie faggot Youtube reviewer that sucks the show's dick
>3000 comments on Reddit

>Preston video on Reddit
>-80 points
>2 coomments
>deleted
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>>71130383
Liking breaking bad means you're a Reddit pleb shill
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>Thanks to Sansa the best house in Westeros now has only 3 fighting men

Bear loli confirmed dead in bear island raid.
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>>71130405
>Just copies bastard war leak and adds arya shit already out of timeline
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nahwitenz
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>>71130405
Who are they? How did they see the episodes? I believe you I'm just curious.
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>>71130383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiMBzpZF1nE
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>>71130443
fookin britbong genes man
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>>71130412
>people still wonder why reddit is so hated here
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>people keep asking why Sansa didn't tell Jon about the army

Why aren't you asking why Littlefinger didn't send a raven ahead to Jon saying "hey the Vale is coming we got u senpai"?

Littlefinger didn't want them to know either. Both were hoping Jon and his army would get murked before they showed up so they could fuck and become the new lords of Winterfell

Sansa is now an antagonist, deal with it tumblr
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I thought you guys bitching about feminism was just a meme, but wew lad. Apparently there is a blatant agenda to this show.
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>>71130425
>pleb
>shill

Wow you really know your 4chan meme insults! You must be one of those oldenfags :3 I bet you've been around since gamergate!
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What's his endgame?
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>>71130412
>mass shooting
>big thread
>turns out he's muslim
>shut it down

preston is small potatoes
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Apparently reddit has tired of defending Sansa and they're now touting her as the most wicked manipulator ever to set her sights on Westeros.

Fuck all these female empowerment cunts.
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>>71130486
>its real
ahahahah what in the fuck
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>>71130441
Nah, truede (the one who leaked the whole thing) confirmed that Arya kills Walder and serves frey pies.
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>>71130495
own sansa's puss puss + maybe the seven kingdoms if it all works out
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Little finger sends Sansa to Ramsay and gets her pussy ravaged just to mess with the queen.

Little finger sends help the Stark army.

I guess they're even now right ? from Sansa point of view.
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>>71130527
That was Doc not Truede, Truede is only 70% accurate, just look at his true detective preditictions
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>>71130441
No? What are you even talking about. Im referring to DocMantisToboggan and Truede (WatchersontheWall had the leakes stuff on Jons parentage with a leaked photo of a letter with broken Targaryen seal)

>>71130451
Truede(a guy who had accurate leaks for True Detective previously and now GoT) and DocMantisToboggan. Truede confirmed his stuff

I believe they worked on the show, not sure if they said their exact job or not
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>>71130305
I let the students make up their own minds :^)
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>>71129812
He won't, because remember, melly doesn't do anything, it's all the Lord of Lights doing.

And Stannis told her too.

looking forward to a scene where Davos and Brienne come to a tenuous agreement about the state of things.
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What has happened with the show has been extremely disappointing. I've said since season 4 that the show peaked in season 3, and that it was only going to get worse. I never wanted to be right, but I'm afraid the show is not getting any better. Maybe the last seasons will be good, I only hope that twow will be released before they start writing the episodes, but I sincerely doubt that. Feels bad
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>>71130566
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>71130495
To own Salsa's pussy.
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>>71130557
>not sure if they said their exact job or not

I wouldn't think they would.

What are the legal implications of that? Can the studio sue employees who leak show spoilers? How does the secrecy work?
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>>71130527
Arya cooking people into pies is completely out of character for any version of her we've seen.
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>>71129689
Severely underrated post.
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>>71130486
Every person in a ruling position is a girl except ONE***, and the best fighter in the show is a girl... you thought that was a meme?

***and LF's gonna get rekt by Sansa in E10 so that'll be every single person, period.


>in b4 euron
yarasha is more powerful than Euron. better ally, stole big part of the fleet, and euron's men are all incompetent retards like every other male character on the show.
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>>71130618
Don't worry, they can't vote.

They're all 16 and 17 years old and Korean.
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>>71130625
Maybe it isn't people pies, but just regular old poisoned pies? She did learn about poisons during her arc.
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>>71130495
>What's his endgame?
sansa's cervix
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>>71130527
Its already not possible by time progression

inb4 dabid memes to justify delusions
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>>71130546
yes and she should be grateful because he helped her numerous times.
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>>71130495
Benjen is secretly one of his bros. He knows all about the White Walkers and Dragon threat. He's only using Sansa as a way to befriend Bran so that he can manipulate him into warging the dragons to defeating both the foreign invaders and take Westeros as the prize.
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>>71130625
Yeah except the one where she tortured Maryn Trant to death. Think Frey pies take more or less sadism?
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>>71130645
Yara has less men, less ships, no dragon horn, no Valyrian Steel Armor.
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>>71130659
>tfw will never be in a room full of qt korean girls
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>>71130645
>and LF's gonna get rekt by Sansa in E10

I feel there is quite a high chance of this, too.

A pretty terrible decision on the part of D&D if it transpires.
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>>71130557
>WatchersontheWall had the leakes stuff on Jons parentage with a leaked photo of a letter with broken Targaryen seal)

That was only on the forum and that shit is easily faked.

Fan could've just made their own seal.
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>>71130667
Aryas storyline was behind the others.
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>>71130495
to cum bareback in sansa's virgin pussy so he can mentally get back at Ned
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>>71130645
Robin
Tommen
Euron
Jon
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>>71130486
Do D&D actually do anything with the show anymore or do they just sign off on it and let progressives at HBO push their agendas
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>>71130645
That's what's going to make it even sweeter when the Northern lords crown the bastard over the Bolton.
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>>71130546
>I guess they're even now right ? from Sansa point of view.
Probably. Even though that's stupid and wrong.

>Jon you can't beat Ramsay ever he's too cruel and cunning
>I was at fucking hardhome, I've been murdered by children, I think I can handle him.
>NO UR RONG BECUS HE HURT ME A LITTLE IT DIDNT LOOK THAT BAD BUT HE HURT ME
And then Sansa was right anyway and she gives that smug cunt i told you so look when littlefinger finally shows up.

>Sansa I thought you said LF gave you up to Ramsay who really hurt you bad
>Yea but he's cute and rich and powerful so I just ignore all of his faults. Also he said he didn't mean it and he never lies.
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>>71130486
>Petyr, save me
>fighting the patriarchy

l
m
a
o
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>>71130682
>book euron stuff
???

show euron doesn't have a dragon horn or a valyrian steel armor

all he has is a big cock.
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>>71130682
And all Euron has is his big cock, friend. :^)
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>>71130546
Sansa agreed to that voluntarily. Also there's a scene with ramsay telling baelish straight faced he never hurt her, its probably legitimate he actually didn't know about some random bastard or he thought he would be contained like roose bolton
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>>71130678
it takes an entirely different state of mind.
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>>71130691
No, LF's gonna rekt her ass in the godswood.
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>>71130684
If that's your thing, dude, just become an English teacher ... it's not mine, but a lot of Westerners get weird hero complexes from being here, the amount that Korean students (mostly girls) look up to their teachers is pretty incredible.
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>North chooses Jon, a bastard, over Sansa to lead them
>Sansa gets angry as fuck
>Jon learns he's not Ned's son and is Lyanna's bastard by Rhaegar, he's not even a Stark patrilineally and tells everyone
>North still chooses him over Sansa

How angry you think Sansa would get?
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>>71130719
>>71130720
>Mad book niggers

Just accept mutton chop euron is way better than your fan fic mary sue self insert pirate who doesn't look like an iron nigger
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Who has the ep 10 spoilers senpai
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>>71130750
So psychopathy isn't all encompassing?
So, people with a psychotic disorder tend to NOT kill every living thing they can for the thrillz?
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>>71130706
She's not a virgin anymore, in any of her holes.
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>>71130790
Jon isn't a targ and you jon autist will run away and scream just like the cleagne bowl autists when your proven wrong
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>>71130160
I was erect the whole time. I only wish Ghost was by his side. They really scewed the pooch on that one.
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So what is Varys going to do next episode? Kill Pycelle and Kevan or something entirely different?
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>>71130711
>tommen is in charge
you never watched the show right? Cersei/Margaery/Olenna are ruling. And the High sparrow I guess, but he dies in E10 too along with Tommen.

>Robin
LF is ruling the vale really, but even if you say it's Robin I already addressed this, "except one".

I really doubt she'll give LF the boot to let Robin rule the vale.

>jon
how many men does he have now, 50 wildlings and 3 bears?
His forces got slaughtered before LF came in.
If sansa wants the north, you think Jon can oppose her? ( give you 2 guesses who LF will support ).

Dorne is ruled by snek, the most powerful ironborn is yara ( because dany ), dany rules essos, dany has the largest army in the world, brienne is the best fighter in the world, cersei/margaery/olenna rule in KL (ep10 will probably leave it to Cersei alone), sansa has the strongest claim in the north, she'll almost certainly get rid of LF and get the vale as well ( the Lord of the Vale hate LF and love Sansa, shown taht many times )
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>>71130836
stay mad
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>>71130720
>>71130682
>>71130719
>>71130793
Euron will soon have

ONE

THOUSAND

SHIPS
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzYncsG05vo
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>>71130862
securing tyrell and dorne support in sunspear.
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I figured out the Season's big twist.

High Sparrow is Howland Reed, the old friend of the Starks (and father of Meera) who knows Jon's true parentage (and thus his right to the throne)

Think about it, especially book readers. It actually makes perfect fucking sense.
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>sweaty /tv/ virgins actually think the Northern Lords will choose to install Sansa as Queen instead of the son of Ned who literally came back from the dead and led the conquering army
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>>71130809
>So psychopathy isn't all encompassing?
>So, people with a psychotic disorder tend to NOT kill every living thing they can for the thrillz?
Yes.
Psychopathy is very different to sadism. Sadism is actively wanting to cause others pain, psychopathy is just not caring about the pain of others (no empathy).
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>>71130790
I just realized that actually explains why LF would show the letter, to de-legitimize him as a Stark so Sansa can get Winterfell.
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>>71129620
Seriously, what was her plan? Actually getting all them fucking killed? Getting rid of anyone that could not take her seriously in the Rightful North Teamâ„¢? Was she pissy about the ""war council"" not asking her for insight?
And speaking of bullshit plans, What did the Masters of Yunkai want to accomplish with the fireball rain exactly?
Or is this show gradually, but steadily, getting worse and worse (and I mostly mean the fucking writing, the goddamn plot)?

Darth Sansa reveal 2.0 made me snort with laughter the most this year.
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>>71130770
>the amount that Korean students (mostly girls) look up to their teachers is pretty incredible.

any greentext story?
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>>71130876
Euron will btfo danny -the bad guy- when she invades with his ships, then he will stand over her defeated, obese body and say "ye cud had be big cok luv"
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>>71130715
it's always stupid and wrong when you're predicting D&D
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>>71130898
>sunspear
Where?
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>>71130910
the north was lost till the knights of the vale came to the rescue
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>>71130946
It's the country that Dorne is located in.
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>>71130809
Neither Wyman Manderley or Arya Stark fall under the heading of Psychopath, so there's that.

Second, Arya only tortured Trant because the show is all about feminism and Trant was a violent pedophile. You really think he's not going to be tortured on his way out?
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>>71130918
It'll be hilarious when the North says they still don't care and want Jon as king and doesn't matter if Ned was his father or his uncle.
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>>71130645
>hurrrrdurrrr feminist show

high sparrow
little finger (he is not dead, doubt he will die in this season)
chief lannister
bran as the most powerful


fighters:
mountain
nothing
nothing
brienne/hound/jon
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>>71130956
Who cares, Jon is the one who was in the thick of things

Sansa literally used cheat codes
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>>71130910
That's the fucking twist jon autist, jon gets everything handed to him but has minor set backs like not getting crowned

Jon will be denied and run off to dany
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>>71130984
I would also love that. I just didn't get why LF would want to reveal him as a Targ, much less how he would get such a letter. At least the why makes sense now.
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>>71130910
This why would they want a female ruler when technicaly they have a male heir especially one that has proven himself a commander at the wall

and all together the northern lords will give Jon and army of 3500 men. Which will leave Jon with about 4500 since he probably lost a little over half his army honestly I hope D&D pull out some more Wildlings out of their ass the make his army a more reasonable number when they go up against the WW
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>>71130984
>tfw Bran Wargs all of the Lords of the North at the same time to elect Jon
He can do it, you can't prove otherwise
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Give me one good reason Lyanna shouldn't be Queen?

One of the only Houses to follow Jon and is even gonna succeed in making him King next episode
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Does anyone have any quality /GoT/ memes from previous seasons? I've been ignoring these threads this year as they seem to be pretty low quality but I do remember having a good laff in these threads in previous year and there was that marcus guy
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>>71130979
>It's the country that Dorne is located in

i needed that
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>>71130910
which northern are you talking about?

the one who refused to join Jon, or the one who joined him and died?

There are currently 2 group of northmen;
The Dead ones, and Jon's enemies (glovers, maybe remnants of umber/bolton armies, etc.. ).

There's literally no one who gives a fuck about Jon anymore, and there's a few thousand men who (under LF) gives a fuck about Sansa.

The loyalty of 50 people who liked Ned stark doesn't decide who rules.

Men decide who rules.
And LF/sansa have a lot of those.
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>>71130927
Nothing stands out really. Maybe incredible was a bit much, but they bring me food and snacks all the time, call me handsome a lot (boys too, the younger ones). They screamed at me like I was a rockstar when I introduced myself in front of the whole school on the first day of term. It's more a general attitude.

>>71130931
Honestly I hope they make one of the two le ebin big bad guy, otherwise both their stories will just have zero conflict as the writers just hand them both shit on a plate constantly.
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>>71130645
Walder frey and euron?
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>>71131038
Females inherit over un-legitimized bastards. Though there was a whole thing where Rob supposedly was going to legitimize him and name him heir but that plot point never panned out for unknown reasons.
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>>71131060
because she said herself there is one king in the north and the name is Stark
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>>71130979
Ah, the beautiful City of Dorne.
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>>71131093
She could become his lolibear queen, and therefore also a Stark.
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>>71131004
>little finger (he is not dead, doubt he will die in this season)
Yeah, Sansa totally won't win over him as well. Let's be serious, D&D writing is predictable as fuck. Are you that dumb to think she won't have the upper hand?

>High Sparrow
already addressed, he dies in E10.
>chief lannister
ingest wildfire

>mountain
you're clearly delusional if you think show brienne would lose against the mountain.
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>>71129677
so arya just teleports across two continents and makes her way across deadly countryside full of raiders and pillagers in the space of two episodes?
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>>71131064
yeah, like the northeners would care about what LF thinks.
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>>71131097
bringing up dorne honestly makes me sad, I understand budgeting constraints don't allow for everything to be as fleshed out as it is in the books, but what DABID chose to show was absolute trash.
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So euron stealing a dragon is confirmed right
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>>71131064
So that was the entire male population of the north in that tiny battle?
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>>71131139
It wasn't that bad.
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>>71131091
That's a book point it's assumed the mormonts have it. Honestly the Northern lords feel like they need a leader and do you honestly believe Sansa can do that? Do you think they will? The North is divided and they need someone with military experience and the right name to unify it. Sansa may have one, but the Northern lords could easily "Legitimize" Jon and see him as true born in their eyes.
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how did dany's other dragons break out at precisely the right moment?
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>>71131132
The 17 northerner still alive (11 wounded) will oppose LF?

LF doesn't care if they care what he thinks.
He has the largest army. His word = law.
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>rickon is supposed to be like 7 years old but his actor is taller than ramsey
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>>71131127
Her storyline has been behind others and no, she sails to Westeros and makes it there
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>>71129721

Sansa didn't know LF was gonna show up. she told him to fuck off 3 episodes ago.
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>>71131188
MUH DRAGONS
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>>71131201
11 years old.
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>>71131183
how tall is that girl? 4'8"?
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>>71131162
raping damphair is confirmed
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>>71131162
No. He's gonna get Quentyn'd
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>>71131195
>implying the army even likes LF they'd turncloak as soon as possible especially if sansa sets him up all she has to do is manipulate Robin
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>>71131163
>So that was the entire male population of the north in that tiny battle?

No, but given that Jon wrote letters to everyone to get support, I would say that everyone who was willing to fight to sit Jon in Winterfell was at that battle.

Are you implying that there's some 25k northmen who didn't follow jon against a Bolton but will suddenly ride to Winterfell to follow Jon against LF if he push Sansa against him?

The northmen who weren't at that battle either didn't care about Jon, or were not fighting men.

So I don't see why either group would support Jon against Sansa/LF if it comes to battle.
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>>71131064
>Men decide who rules.
>And LF/sansa have a lot of those.

Problem with that is while they help give Sansa greater claim, they can't cement it.

The VAle is a foreign army, they're not gonna stay in the North, and while they know how to fight in ice and snow, they don't know how to live and survive in the North, so not like Sansa can keep them as a standing army or a constant threat to keep the Northern Lords under control.

Not to mention the Vale army is just there to help Sansa beat the Boltons
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>>71131188
The door was already opened, they likely just heard Drogon and knew their Mother needed them
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>>71131061
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Jon's heroism was sacrificed to make Sansa "right".
Jon's a heroic character. That's his point. He's a good guy fighting the good fight, and getting all the shit for it. Rickon's life is not a "game". You don't just let your brother die in the middle of some field if there's some chance you can save him. Not even full brother. A half-brother.

So why can't Jon save Rickon? Because Ramsay has to be some kind of supreme evil who cannot be defeated. It's not enough that he's destroyed Theon, abused Sansa, and killed his father. Killed several innocents. No, D&D don't think you've got the idea yet. He's bad guys. He's about to kill a Stark. Isn't that just the worst?

What exactly changes if Rickon lives? Are the Stark supporters crush more thoroughly, or less? Do the Knights of the Vale turn around and go home? Does Ramsay go back into the keep and pout? The only thing his death does is make Jon look incompetent.
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>>71131229
allegedly 5'2"
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>>71130546
>>71130753
spoiler e10
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>>71131243
well I meant the Vale armies. Point still stand regardless if it's LF leading them or Robin or Sansa.

It's the largest army in the north. They decide if they want to.

I can't say what will happen, maybe they'll be OK with letting Jon rule, or maybe not, but my point is, if they want Sansa to rule, Sansa rules. No one can do anything.
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Uh , you don't get to bring wildlings
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>>71131229
Assuming that's Rosabell Laurenti Sellers and not her double, 5'2".
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>>71130956
and they are thanked for it.

now the rightful shall take his place
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>>71131061
Another
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>>71131247
Spoiler alert dipshit, they didn't think he was going to win and didn't want to die. Now he won and a bunch of people are going to support him next episode.
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>>71131061
>this year
>low quality
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>>71131247
There's at least a good 3000 men in the north, and for all me know a few thousand wildlings traveling around. Honestly I don't want to say they didn't support Jon or Sansa because they do it's just the North has lost so much and Jon and Sansa were a gamble they weren't sure they'd benifit from.
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>>71131061
Red Wedding reactions were always fun
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I bet all Littlefinger could think about was how he'd be getting Tully pussy that night
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what was the point of defeating the Boltons to "unite the North" when they just killed off a majority of the able bodied fighting men? No way they can stand against the White Walkers now.

would the Knights of the Vale even help defend the Wall?
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>>71131348
waif posting has been the highlight of this season by far.
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>>71131300
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>>71131359
That wasn't all of the North
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>>71131061
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>>71131359
Ramsay sent them a letter saying he was gonna murk all the wildlings dipshit, there was going to be a battle either way
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>>71131248
The north is pretty much spent...
Pretty sure an Essosi sellsword company could come in and seize it for themselves (if they're not afraid of the cold).

The north was already not a very strong (despite being that large) kingdom before the war of the 5 kings... it was the smallest army on the field.

Most of the fighting men died in the Wot5K, either sacrified by Roose, or killed by Walder (plus the standard war casualties).

Then the north was weak as fuck...
And now the ironborn raids. Even weaker.
Bolton vs Stark. Even weaker.

They don't have any men really. Hell, Jon spent like half the season trying to recruit people and he ended up with 3k, most of which were wildlings.

The north is dead as fuck. No fighting men anymore.
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>>71130730
There is actually a scene where LF is talking to Ramsey and expresses not knowing a thing about him. LF truly had no idea he was pawning Sansaballs off onto another sadistic monster.
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>>71131359
I doubt it, way I envision it is that once winter comes they'll be trapped in the north and forced to fight the WWs
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>>71131389
Oh yeah, she short as fuck.

>>71131379
True
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>>71131350
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>>71131292
kek

original?
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>>71131350
>recon
>egret
>taiwan
do you get to act like you care that much when you clearly dont?

>taiwan

i think i've been had
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>>71131350
>Egret
>Taiwan
>>
who has the biggest cock in westeros? my money is on davos. also there is NO CHANCE jaqen was circumcised .
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>>71131402
Dorne had the smallest army. And the North should still have a solid 5k men left.
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>>71131409
thats her double, look at the nose
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>>71131429
first run OC
>>
>knowledge is power so I'll marry you to this guy I know nothing about

bravo littlefinger
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>>71131379
agreed.
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Would Tommen have been better off storming The Sept to rescue his wife and mother? The peasants would obviously start a rebellion but he would have at least shown that he wasn't a pushover.
Seems like no matter which route he chose would lead to disaster desu.
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>>71131127
Theon did it.
>>
remember that time Myrcella was murdered by some bitch and it was never brought up again
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>>71131359
>they just killed off a majority of the able bodied fighting men?
~9,000 men were present at the battle, and 2,000 or so were Wildlings. That's not a majority of able bodied fighting men.

It's highly likely that most of the minor houses just reserved their men rather than getting involved in another scuffle. Even if they hate Ramsay, no one wants to be on his bad side by supporting Jon, and no one wants Ramsay to actually win anyway.

Think of GoT as a historical timeline. In the past 10 - 20 years, there's been pretty constant unrest and warring. The houses that bide their time, increase their lands and grow their manpower will win over the ones that throw theirs away for nothing.
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>>71131457
it was originally a fake arya, its just characters assassination show writing like stannis burning his daughter
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>>71131350
>Recon


OH SHIT NIGGA RECON GON OVA DA WALL?
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>>71131457
LF learned the mistakes of his way.
Cersei taught him that POWER IS POWER

so he married sansa to get more POWER, which would bring him more POWER
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>>71131498
>originally a fake arya

changing this stupid plotline was one of the better decisions DnD made

Littlefinger not knowing about Ramsay isn't as egregious as you fags make it, somehow Ned and Robb Stark never knew about the Boltons raping and flaying people even though its on their fucking banners and they live in their backyard
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>>71131300
she is a qt pie, she can't act for shit unfortunately.
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>>71131402
Yeah, they are pretty dead.

But if Sansa aims to rule it, she needs the people who live there to actually support her, and even with the Vale army, they may not.

She can try and kill them all if she wants, the Vale and Royce may not wanna do that to Houses he fought alongside during the Rebellion, but if she succeeds, she's ruling an even shittier and more depleted North with an army that'd leave her at some point.

I figure the entire North, if every House actually sent their fighting men, could at maybe 6-1000 depending on how big House Manderly is on its own.
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>>71130921

I have no idea, but what ever was her plan she needs army for it, Winterfell at the moment doesnt have force to hold a supermarket on Black Friday... So she thinks she smart but she is dumb as fuck. Littlefinger cant use knights of the Vale forvere, we saw in that earlier episode that people there dont really like him, he cant push them forever, that little boy maybe likes him but he doesnt seem very rational.
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>>71131498
If there's ever any proof that Stannis is truly dead, it was that fucking autistic bullshit they wrote in at the end, because there'll be no repercussions. It didn't even make any god damn sense for fuck's sake.
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>>71129771
D&D stole my idea about how danny fought the Masters
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>>71131436
pod the rod payne
>>
>Jon's infantry and Ramsay's infantry separated by mountain of corpses
>Ramsay's infantry has to move around the mountain of corpses in lines only three men deep
>Somehow they're able to encircle Jon's entire army with no resistance

What the fuck even happened here? Jon's guys all bunch together and then let themselves get encircled.
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>>71131537
>Ned and Robb Stark never knew about the Boltons raping and flaying people

>my father outlawed flaying
>we're not torturing them

you don't randomly outlaw stuff for no reason. you outlaw stuff that people want to do.

there wasn't ever a "my father outlawed cutting people in small meat cubes and catapulting them into the sea"

but that's beside the point, Ned stark wasn't exactly clever.
LF is supposed to be tho. he should know about stuff, and if he doesn'T he should try to know.
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>>71131457
Even if he knew nothing about Ramsay, he should have known enough about Roose to say that Sansa was gonna have a bad time.
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>>71131537

Are you a fucking idiot? I read the books years ago and I remember them specifically bringing up past bad blood between the Boltons and Starks--specifically a time when the Boltons flayed a Stark lord.

So I ask again, are you a fucking idiot m8? Go bash ur 'eh in cunt.

This man has bigger balls than u
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>>71131537
>Robb Stark never knew about the Boltons raping and flaying people even though its on their fucking banners and they live in their backyard
Nigga you serious? They just didn't thing a northman would betray another northmen.
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>>71131537
>Ned and Robb Stark never knew about the Boltons raping and flaying people even though its on their fucking banners and they live in their backyard

Of course they knew. The Starks are just cucks who won't rock the boat short of having a King burn literally everyone alive.
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>>71131585
Cause Wildlings are retarded and don't know military anything
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How would the Vale Knights differentiate the wildlings, the bolton army, the mormonts from each other?

think the wildlings killed some bear men? I mean they're not educated with the sigils and uniforms
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>>71129879
Hanged a kid*
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>>71130016
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>>71131607
>Are you a fucking idiot? I read the books years ago and I remember them specifically bringing up past bad blood between the Boltons and Starks--specifically a time when the Boltons flayed a Stark lord.

This shit was THOUSANDS of years in the past. I'm talking about the shit Roose and Ramsay were doing at the Dreadfort which no one ever really cared about and somehow Ned Stark was ignorant of it
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>pic related
>Sansa's entire shit at the camp and getting the Vale army
>Dany needed to win the kingdom back
>Theon and his sister teleporting
>that fucking retarded battle against the Boltons
>no weapon for the army's biggest asset
>"like you said, you haven't fed your hounds in seven days" despite Sansa not even being there when Ramsey says that
This was godawful.
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>>71131619
>How would the Vale Knights differentiate the wildlings, the bolton army, the mormonts from each other?

Whoever has good armor and is on the side with the shields bearing the Bolton banner is a target
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>>71131619
If E10 comes in and Ozge isn't Lyanna, this will have been the best trolling on /got/ in years, maybe ever.
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>>71130730
>>71130715
It's never revealed at all what ramsay actually did to her.

feels like it was just some rough sex, maybe some butt stuff, and make some s&m slapping and choking. Theres no real evidence that he ever did anything bad to her. In this regard Joffery was way worse.
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>>71131652
so patriarchy then?
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how do you guys like my death list for next episode?

loras tyrell
walder frey
pycelle
kevan
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>Dany would rather get 100 ships free, rather than devise a plan for getting Euron killed after getting the ships; like with the unsullied.
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>"game of thrones is successful because nobody's safe"
>jon snow and daenarys have so much plot armor they're destined to marry and win at the end of the books
yeah, there's a reason I stopped reading halfway through book 4 and never came back, just checking up on youtube reconfirms everything I suspected and feared about how the story will turn out
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>>71130715
>i told you so look
EXCEPT SHE FORGOT TO TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT
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>>71131655
Sansa showed scourge scars or her back on one episode
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>>71131670
>no high sparrow
>no tommen

why not add the people who are already confirmed to die, along with the speculated ones?
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>>71131687
They said they have enough ships
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>>71131655
She tells theon hes just a dick that only fucks her but entertains that ramsay cut her to guilt little finger
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>>71131643
Boltons have their own vassals that they govern. If anything his vassals probably kept quiet about it.
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NEW THREAD

>>71131723

>>71131723

>>71131723
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>>71131707
OOPS,

I meant to have it in tiers, that was my "obvious" tier.
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>>71130876
Big Cock + Bad Pussy WHEN DABID?
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>>71131687
>>71131713
>how many ships do we need to go to westeros?
>a thousand
>who has that many?
>no one
>yara comes in with 100 ships
>is that enough?
>maybe.

They don't even have the "it was last season, they forgot" excuse... It was like episode 3 and 9.
what the fuck seriously
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>>71131696
the "i told you so" would be in response to her stating the obvious "we need more men" but also her specific advice to "not play Ramsay's games".

>>71131655
>>71131702
Peanuts compared to Theon's treatment, and Sansa only knows about a fraction of what Ramsay did to him, unless they were talking about it on their escape. Which, i don't think either of them would want to, but I guess the showrunners want you to think they would.
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>>71131655
He did stuff to Sansa and things inside of her that she figures only whores experience and that brothelkeepers talk about.

And he did anything to her so long as it didn't make it so she couldn't have kids and didn't say no when Littlefinger said that he cut her.

So he did bad shit
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>>71131389
>when your body double is qter and costs less than you
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>>71131292
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>>71131654
I'm going to admit anons, my ruse blew up more than expected, it reached 9gag, reddit and tumblr and a lot, I mean ALOT of turkish got forums
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>>71131754
They also have a bunch of ships that they took from the slaver's assault.
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>>71131778
not even mad, she's a top qt and saved countless pics
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>>71131546
>what ever was her plan she needs army for it
>let most of _her_ army (not the vale bullshit) killed
She really smart.
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>Tormund looked over and Wun Wun was just standing there with no weapon like a retard
>He has lost all of his intimidation ability for no reason
>Men are unfased even when he rips a man in half in front of them with ease and and even after it has been mentioned that the men don't want to fight for Bolton
>Flails at a 3 man thick shield wall in the background for like 5 minutes even after demonstrating his ability to break through their line easily within the first minute of the scene
FUCK
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>>71130790
two Starks thought to be dead are about to make it back to the North? Why wouldn't Benjen or Bran be instantly declared King of the North?
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>>71131855

lol Wun Wun was just slapping at the spears in the shield wall. Even aside from straight up breaking out with brute force, rather than slowly slapping at the spears, why not grab a few of them by the shaft and pulling them out of the Bolton guys' hands. Pointy things are bad.
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>>71131759
>not play Ramsay's games
Now that was HILARIOUS!
Think getting killed once would cool one's temper a little, bit nooooooo MUH RICKY-ON.
>stupid decision the show
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>>71131875
Well Benjen is dead, and I could see Bran refusing.
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>>71131875
Benjen can't cross the Wall and is a rotting corpse

Bran's a cripple and the North needs a leader who can lead and fight. It's not just gonna be about ruling the North, it's also about fighting the Walkers and possibly the South to get them to fight the Walkers
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>>71131875
They don't have their wolves, Jon and Arya are the only real Starks left.
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>>71131923
Jon knows what death is and he doesn't want it for Rickon. But he also feels deep down that he should still be dead and he's got guilt over leaving the NW.

>>71131940
Why would Bran refuse? He's a cripple, may as well be el kingo del norte
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>>71131940
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>>71131988
>Why would Bran refuse?
He has to take over for that old root fucker. Bran's purpose in GoT has transcended being a Stark, and is more about holding back the White Walkers and being magical. Hence the dead wolf.
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>>71131988

um it's el rey not el kingo you racist shit wow WOW

also Sansa should not only be king of the north but king of the seven kingdoms i meen its only fair after all shes been thru
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uh.... you don't get to bring the vale
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>>71132017
If bran could do shit to the white walker, or even if 3ER could, they've done a poor job of communicating it.
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>>71132116
It's not my Vale. It belongs to my wife's son.
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>>71131760
>Implying anal sex is bad...

don't be so vanilla, sometimes you have to 'help your wife along' with exploring her sexuality.

So what she fed him to the dogs, that won't un-rape her asshole and she knows it.

>not seeing Ramsey for the brilliant tactician he is
>thinking wives say 'no' to their husbands in most societies, especially during that time period
>falling for feminist propaganda again
>bad things are only bad when those without plot armor do them
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>>71132017
>Bran roots in Winterfell acting as KitN until Salsa (or whoever) has a baby stark ready to take over and then he retires to focus completely on being the root
Plausible.
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>>71132122
Isn't the whole thing of him now being with Benjen that they're going to stop the WW?
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>>71131723

>>71131723

NEW THREAD
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>>71131855
>>Men are unfased even when he rips a man in half in front of them with ease
It's either that or getting skinned alive.
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>>71129729
dat pony
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>>71132201
no idea what they're trying to do with Bran at this point. They've literally shown us nothing of his powers except warging and watching TreeTV. I feel like benjen could achieve whatever he's aiming to do without Bran.
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>>71132186
>acting as KitN
I don't think anyone has had KitN aspirations, including Robb Stark.

The idea is certainly interesting, but I think it's most likely he's going to stay beyond the wall. Benjen's probably got a little Children of the Forest village or some shit. Bran's our looking glass into GoT lore.

>he retires to focus completely on being the root
Fuck I want this to happen though.
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>>71132135
nice
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>>71130908
This has been a theory ever since High Sparrow first appeared in the show. Pleausible.
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>>71131292
>Crashing dat ass... With no survivors
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>>71130908
I have a pet theory with no supporting evidence whatsoever that Howland Reed returned Arthur Dayne's remains to Dorne, and then stuck around and took on the persona of Gerold Dayne.

Gerold Dayne's parentage is completely unknown, he's close enough to the same age, and he's widely regarded as one of the most dangerous people in Dorne for reasons no one has said. Meanwhile no one has seen Reed since the ToJ but they assume he's at his family home which has been oddly unmolested throughout the series.
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>>71131195
>largest army
Until Jon takes his dragon.
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>>71130113
>but there's a good balance of virtuous characters meeting their end too
Not anymore
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