What's the worst movie you enjoyed when you were a liberal?
Pic related for me. It's just laughable now.
19yo in his rebel phase detected
>>70963847
>>70963870
>19
You're giving them a lot of credit. I would guess 15, tops
>>70963847
Same for me OP. There's loads of films with liberal bias though.
I grew up in a liberal dem family then realized the way I was taught was completely naive around 24-26.
>>70963906
FUCK OFF
>>70963906
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little Keit-ai thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" Keit-ai poster, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a fictional anime. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic keit-aifag NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "FOR YOU FOR YOU FOR YOU." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
Forever...
>>70963847
Same. Believed everything the film said when it came out then I read his book Stupid White Men and realised about halfway through what a fucking idiot the guy was.
Then I actually started listening to people saying BFC was full of lies.
>the DVD special features actually features Moore's description of his Oscar acceptance speech. In his mind the audience wasn't booing him, they were booing the people who were cheering him on.
Guy's a nutcase
Is this the one about the guy that made the columbine rpg?
I played it in high school as an edgy teen
>>70963847
Haven't seen this one. What liberal bias is it supposed to have?
>>70964304
Yeah i remember seeing that and then watching the actual oscar clip and i realized that michael moore was a diluted socialist weasle.
Then Steve Martin came out after his speecb and said "dont worry folks, the teamsters are helping michael moore into the truck of his limo" which got a huge laugh and applause
>>70963847
>when you were a liberal?
anybody else smell a /pol/cat?
it's getting way to easy
>>70963847
I hate this movie so much.
They show it in Highschools across the country because the all (((white))) academy gave Moore an Oscar
>>70965643
*Trunk of his limo
>>70965582
it's anti-gun
>>70963847
I still enjoy it though, so fuck you OP
>watch this movie
>man white people are evil and they took the noble Indian tribe's land!
>grow up
>meet actual Indians
>they're all fat/drunk/stupid/lazy/ugly subhumans
>realize that we're much better off without them
>>70965707
-Anti-gun
-Anti american
-Anti white male
-Anti conservative
-Manipulative film editing to make it seem worse than it is to push their agenda
The same banal liberal talking points that they can masterbate furiously ove later.
>>70965665
Moore plz
>>70965752
Reported
This is an 18+ image board
Read these tweets.
Then consider this spoiler.Moore's uncle was killed by a German sniper while invading Germany
>>70963847
>when you were a liberal?
unlike you i have always been guided by facts and reality rather than emotions
i'm redpilled from birth
>>70963847
You don't grow out of liberalism, idiot
>>70965883
This.
These nu-males claiming to be 'redpilled' is pathetic.
>>70965863
So wait, hes defending the Nazis?
>>70963847
>tfw was never a liberal
My overly conservative christian phase was way less embarassing than being a liberal. I feel bad for children raised in those self hating cuck families.
>>70963847
Some of his arguments make sense, but he throws in a healthy dose of bullshit to go with it.
Also, I didn't watch this shit but I can't believe it hasn't been posted yet.
>>70965883
>>70965887
>>70965919
>>70965998
*tips fedora*
>>70965938
He was probably butthurt about american sniper being a success and then did that libcuck mental dance and took it back.
>>70965938
Obviously not. Fucking white males are subhumans who should be killed at all opportunity, but vibrant PoC with rifles are heroes for doing it.
>>70965998
>I feel bad for children raised in those self hating cuck families.
It sounds like you were just raised in a Bible thumping cuck family instead. People tend to liberalism when they're young, they always have and they always will.
>>70965998
>was way less embarrassing
It wasn't, you're just not intelligent enough to realize how hilariously stupid your beliefs are.
>>70966072
>twitter account
>bernieorbust
Lel
>>70966091
>they always have
If this were true than white people would've gone extinct a millennium ago
Imagine a bunch of kids shouting down the Reconquista, going "#NotAllSaracens"
The US was 90% white in 1950. 1950! You surely have family members who were alive to remember it.
>>70966042
*unzips fannypack*
Heh, silly fedoraposter...
*removes sig sauer 9mm*
*cocks the hollow point round into the chamber*
We are better off without you fedoraposting subhumans.
*fires*
*masterbates and fires cum into your brain cavity*
Heh, probably the smartest thing that's ever been in your head...
>>70966072
kek, I love how these retards think their soon-to-be Asian overlords are going to stand a bar of their progressive bullshit.
>>70966111
Lmao, liberals are way more embarassing than conservatives. I don't even believe in the two party system and I think this.
>>70966187
>>70966111
I want to short-circuit the "no u" circlejerk from both of you and bring up video games.
What was the year when everything switched from turtleneck clad church ladies complaining about video games being too violent and sexualized and calling for them to be banned, to pierced tattooed purple haired lesbians complaining about video games being too violent and sexualized and calling for them to be banned?
About 2004?
>>70963847
>le hate liberals on 4chan meme
epic, i like it
>>70965998
My nephew, i feel so fucking bad for him. My sister and her husband are ultra left, bernie vegans. They already have him brain washed with liberal talking points. He doesnt know what hes even saying or why hes saying it. I want to save him but they live on the west coast of the US so hes lost
>>70966091
Oh no, a family with self pride, honor, self sufficiency, work ethic, and moral virtue instilled, how terrible a way to be raised!
I'm an athiest and I can see that a christian upbringing is good for children. Religion strengthens cultures, it always has historically. That's why muslims spread like a plague.
>>70965938
Just the typical liberal pitfall of jumping to side with anything anti american right now. they set double standards frequently
>>70966149
Liberalism isn't about hating white people. It's about creating a freer, more equal society for all.
>>70966091
And they always gravitate away from it when they become mature individuals with jobs and responsibilities.
>>70966304
Exclusively in white countries?
>>70966304
>Liberalism isn't about hating white people.
So liberals vocally hating white people, cheering on their extinction and legislating everything possible to accelerate it is just a coincidence?
>>70966304
By censoring thought and shutting down anyone who doesn't agree with you.
You left that part out.
>>70966304
You've been had friendo.
Take it from people who have a couple decades on you.
That is not what it is about. It is about controlling the populace and determining what people are allowed to say and do.
>>70966279
Both coasts are like that.
>>70966347
the thing is, the liberal movement has been so horribly misguided, that nowadays the republicans are the more liberal (in the actual sense of the word) party
>>70966304
If you're white and voting for leftists you need to take a good hard look at your life, because you're voting for people that literally hate you and would rather you be dead
>>70966283
>a christian upbringing
>self pride, honor, self sufficiency, work ethic, and moral virtue instilled
These don't coincide anywhere near as much as you think they do. The reality is that an overly Christian upbringing restricts the imagination, and causes anxiety when the person decides to abandon said way of life. If you have a tightly knit family because of Christianity, then when people's beliefs change, it all falls apart.
>>70966244
To be fair the fundamentalist women probably still think that. They just don't get on social media and rant about it on the internet in massivr numbers.
I'd say that social media has ruined the women of the millennial generation.
>>70963847
>tfw no left or right wing
>generally sont care one way or the other
>not pro or anti gun, could honestly give a fuck
>see this shit and get pissed off, now feel like I should be pro gun just because of this lying fat turd
>>70966430
No the west coast is a whole other world of liberalism.
Ive been out there a few times. Its like night and day.
>>70963847
You know for some reason I feel like super size me was even more fraudulent than bowling for columbine even though its really only one simple lie
>>70966477
There are too many varieties of protestantism to argue that apart from all the people who followed in the wake of Calvin.
>>70966492
>he doesn't know that not all .223/5.56 is NATO
>>70966463
>>70966462
>>70966357
>>70966347
There's an interesting thing happening with 4chan, and it has been going on for a few years now. There seems to have been an internal shift among the userbase to the right, likely due to the more liberal societal ideas gaining traction. If you only experience human contact, or get most of your human contact through 4chan, you start to get the idea that only ultra-liberals exist, or that they are in some way the majority of all liberals. Obviously this isn't true; they're the extremist side of the left, but 4chan users tend to overly focus on them in posts and images.
It leads to posts like these, associating all liberals and liberal-leaning people with the extreme side of their party.
Unfortunately, any actual political discussion here becomes very hard to maintain, due to these generalizations.
>>70963847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRNpYLoSx_E
>>70967933
That's not true. Look to the utter embarrassment that is my country of Canada.
Look at Justin Trudeau. He's a typical, ultra - left hippie piece of shit and he's running a country with favorable polling. They exist in abundance and they've amassed a terrible amount of power and they seem hell bent on destroying civilizations that have taken centuries to develop so they can satisfy their idealistic notions of what humanity should be rather than what it is.
>>70967933
Moderate classical liberals are now considered center-right or third position these days.
>>70966561
doesnt matter, thats like me saying the AK47 was never fully automatic
its a broad enough statement trying to sway public opinion and an outright lie. Just like any media outlet, its better to make a broad statement then a true one
> documentary about columbine
> focuses on boring gun laws and political faggotry rather than the godlike, kmfdm blasting, doom playing, nbk watching dynamic duo
>>70963847
Same here OP, when people start getting interested in politics they usually start with this shit, once you watch an interview with Moore you can tell he's full of bullshit.
>>70968213
>They exist in abundance and they've amassed a terrible amount of power and they seem hell bent on destroying civilizations that have taken centuries to develop so they can satisfy their idealistic notions of what humanity should be rather than what it is
I disagree with this. Countries may lean left or right, but they never truly go all the way in one direction. In the 1980's America was thoroughly right-leaning. I'm sure liberals at the time would have said something similar to what you wrote, though maybe limited in scope to America. However, civilization didn't end and the country eventually swung to the left. My guess is that, in 20 years, America, and perhaps Europe/Canada, will have swung back to the right.
Civilization ends with apathy, corruption, or nuclear holocaust.
Is he transitioning?
>>70968307
I don't disagree with you, but it's important to recognize that the political spectrum of left and right changes and fluctuates. Even if the ultra left has become more noticeable due to social media, the same can be said for the ultra right.
An interesting thing to note is that, in Amerca, moderate liberals have most always leaned a little conservative in relation to Europe's liberals. America is a conservative-leaning nation, even if the current societal climate might make one think otherwise. Radical liberals, the kind that commit eco terrorism or push for communism, are almost always looked down upon here.
>there are people in America that unironically hate capitalism and individual liberty
I come from a third-world South American country, you cucks have no idea.
>>70968397
>I would just like, listen to them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYApo2d8o_A
>>70968508
>but they never truly go all the way in one direction.
Communist Russia and Facist Italy say otherwise.
they can, and have gone all the way one way or the other. The problem is that the damage it causes can never be undone. the USA is a very unique country founded on christian puritan values, by white europeans, with tjhe intent to break away from other nations strict laws and control of the populace with a lot of personal freedom.
But the current left has been subverted and coopted by cultural marxists, and the damage they have done and can do is something very hard if not impossible, to reverse. (Gay marriage, the decline of the white population and their demonization by the media, etc) the current generation doesnt know Communism and socialism like boomers and the greatest generation knew it. when someone comes along saying "socialism", millennials are all too eager to accept it, because unchecked capitalism has fucked them and they dont recognize what socialism and communism entails
>>70968698
looks like the type of lesbian who would collect glass dolphins
>>70968819
>>70968720
Most of the people who fall into that category are young people just going through the higher education system. Most will not keep those ideas once they graduate, but they are trying out new thought patterns and ways of thinking they haven't experienced before. It's a normal part of learning, most people just internalize the rebellion against their known way of life better.
Since they haven't experienced the other political and economic systems the espouse themselves, their desire only comes from growing dissatisfaction and disillusionment with the system they grew up with.
>>70968720
It's all about context. When you're from some socialist shithole any kind of capitalism must look great. But when you're in a capitalist society and working endlessly and never getting ahead, and can acnowledge that you never will, it doesn't
>>70968508
We've got a whole new set of variables right now. The internet, automation, globalization, migration, etc.
I think the future is going to require some very firm policies in order for our societies to continue to function. I think both sides of the political spectrum appreciate that which is why people are becoming more polarized in their political beliefs.
There may not be the opportunity for public opinion to sway the actions of government so easily in the future.
>>70965752
What does this have to do with being liberal? Because she has a hard time growing up in secular Iran?
>>70968933
There is no need to get ahead. There is a need to be satisfied and that's fairly easily attainable. Food, water and shelter. You can entertain yourself with free books from the library.
Pretty much everyone has access to at least that and usually a hell of a lot more in capitalist countries. With some hard work and a little luck, you can get a hell of a lot more still.
Envy is the main reason of leftism.
>>70963906
>this meme spread on /tv/ now
>>70968933
>But when you're in a capitalist society and working endlessly and never getting ahead, and can acnowledge that you never will, it doesn't
I don't buy into that bullshit. It's clear to me that in a free society, if you're not getting ahead through hard work, then your work is simply not being demanded, you're not actually working hard, or something above is impeding you from getting ahead.
In socialist shitholes, that "something" is the government that cages you with regulations and sucks off your blood with taxes. 4 months of your production going to the state to fill the pockets of a bureaucrat and give you shitty public goods and services? No wonder you're not getting ahead!
I have always been conservative though
>>70966492
That tweet is so retarded I can't even wrap my head around it.
>1: He does realise that guns can use an assortment of bullets right? There isn't some AR-15(tm) bullet that only AR-15's use. The bullets that explode inside people are called frag rounds, and yes, are illegal, but weren't used by any mass shooter ever.
>2: AR-15's and assault rifles aren't banned by Geneva, has he ever a picture or video from any conflict in the last 40 years? They're all using assault rifles, that's the longsword of the modern age.
>3: Spins and explodes, what the fuck? I'm imagining some crazy alt fire in a sci-fi fps.
>4: release the crime scene photos? Like they did with the Paris attacks, and it was just a sad picture of a heap of dead innocent, intact human bodies lying in pools of blood, and not shredded to pieces and exploded by crazy reality warping AR-15 branded spin and explode CYCLONE-SHOCK(tm) bullets.
>>70968774
A few issues I take with your comment is that you assume the first settlers were trying to break away from strict rules and have more personal freedom. This is correct only in the sense that the Puritans disagreed with the Church of England and wanted a place to practice their (far stricter) sect of Christianity.
Now, the religious sect that did want more personal freedom for the individual was the Quakers, but they are more like moderate leftists.
On socialism, the problem with bringing up socialism in political arguments is that socialism is a kind of catch all for the economic modes that aren't pure capitalism, but aren't pure communism. For instance, America is a socialist society, but it leans far more towards to the capitalist side then it does the communist side, where as the Eastern European socialism was the opposite.
Finally, to address some of the concerns you list:
1) The opposition to gay marriage by Republicans was one of the greatest gifts the Democrats could have ever asked for. As the young population became more left-leaning, the idea of gay marriage moved from a taboo subject to simply a "why isn't this allowed" in their minds. It gave them a rallying point for young voters. Of course, it helps that there really isn't any actually good argument against allowing gays to marry (which I feel you'll disagree with).
2) The population at large does not demonize whites. There is a strain of white guilt going on right now, but there is also push back against that from both liberals and conservatives.
Russia and Italy suffered not due to political ideals of facism or communism taking hold in the populace's minds but due to economic failures (endemic to their style of governments). Each country's people rejoiced their governments fall at the end.
>>70969168
>if you're not getting ahead through hard work, then your work is simply not being demanded, you're not actually working hard,
Which is a legitimate problem, and only going to get worse as time goes. What are you going to say to people who worked in manufacturing for generations and suddenly their way of life is gone? Or to truck drivers once automated cars comes along? You can't just shrug your shoulders and say "work harder." There is a growing percentage of this country who does not have a place in the current market, and that cannot be ignored because you want to call them lazy
I'm not advocating socialism, but you can only defend capitalism so long as it supports you.
>>70969352
>Spin and explode CYCLONE-SHOCK(tm) bullets.
Top kek.
>>70966304
>Liberalism isn't about hating white people.
True, it's about hating yourself. Most liberals just happen to be white.
>>70969387
>The opposition to gay marriage by Republicans was one of the greatest gifts the Democrats could have ever asked for.
It's one of the greatest gifts for Republicans too.
The greatest trick the Right ever pulled was conning middle american Christians on social issues to keep them complacent on economic ones they suffer the most from
>>70969397
If we're going to think about every single temporal unemployment instance that creative destruction brings, you might as well end your suffering by shooting yourself in the head.
But we won't, because I think nobody in their right mind would think or care about the temporal unemployment of shovel workers brought by the invention of diggers. Or the mailmen when the internet came. Or the CD-making-machine operators when MP3 players came, etc. etc.
I won't say "work harder", I will say "do something else". Jobs lost in a sector due to technological advancement comes with job creation due to that same advancement. This is how the economy restructures itself.
>>70969503
Liberalism, just like Conservatism, is just a mode of thought on how you deal with change and how you want change to occur.
There are different ideas on why modern ultra-leftists have this strain of white guilt going on, but it isn't inherent in liberalism. My guess is naivety and lack of real world experience, which is being replaced with online digital experience.
>>70969623
Well put.
>>70966149
Are Spanish Americans white?
They were considered white at one point in America and now they're considered hispanic. Besides the brown beaner mexicans they make up half the Hispanic population
>>70969659
>I won't say "work harder", I will say "do something else". Jobs lost in a sector due to technological advancement comes with job creation due to that same advancement. This is how the economy restructures itself.
I will agree with this, but I think it's hard for a lot of undereducated, under skilled physical laborers and workers who suffer the most from technological advancement to just pivot to another job. Low level jobs like ditch diggers, factory workers, etc are being replaced by ones with a much more specific skillset, and it's hard to suggest with a straight face that the middle aged assembly line worker just teach himself coding and enter a highly competitive, overcrowded job market.
I was never a liberal. I was never a rebel.
I've been a right wing nationalist since the womb. Closest thing I had to a rebel phase would be a strongly anti-semitic sentiment which was promptly stomped out of existence when I fell in love with a Jew.
>>70968774
>with a lot of personal freedom
Yeah, the USA never struggled with any elements of society and their personal freedom
>>70969818
It is the harsh reality, I never said it was roses and perfume. But what liberals don't see is that with minimum wage laws, other job regulations and taxation, the situation is only worsened.
>>70965643
The guy's a dickhead and the documentary was bullshit but nothing he said in that speech was in any way incorrect.
I'm no lefty, either. I love guns, hate niggers, and think social marxism is one of the biggest blights on the world today, but Bush is an asshole, and if you think he, Trump, or any other politician gives a fuck about you or I or anything beyond forcing their agenda then you are fucking deluded.
I'm still mostly liberal but I could tell that movie was deceptive and highly edited horseshit the first time I saw it
couldn't understand how so many people could just swallow everything in it whole as some infallible gospel
>>70965752
this kind of shits on Iran post-Islamic Revolution, which liberals would think is not ok
>>70970105
I will never understand the anti-minimum wage thing
I've heard the idea that it means employers can hire more people, but 2 people making 5 bucks an hour isn't a ton better than 1 making 10. That's now two people that have a hard time supporting themselves instead of 1
>>70970217
Nobody is ok with repressive Islamic societies, where are you getting that from?
>>70969352
I want cyclone shock rounds, that sounds badass
>>70970385
Isn't a ton better? It means you have more employed people, which also means less welfare leeches. It also allows people that are not that skilled to get a job and learn valuable skills that will allow them to climb the job ladder.
Moore makes entertaining movies but if you view them as anything less than pure propaganda and you actually take what he says seriously then you're a fucking idiot
>>70966477
>Restricts the imagination
Who are:
>Aquinas
>Dante
>Tolkien
>Lewis
>Chesterton
>Shakespeare
>Augustine
>Flannery O'Connor
>Faulkner
>Dickens
>Dostoyevsky
>Tolstoy
>Joyce
>Gene Wolfe
Who are:
>DaVinci
>Raphael
>Michaelangelo
>Bernini
>Restricts the imagination
Sure is Reddit in here
>>70970518
That's all nice in a bubble where the realities of living off your pay are ignored. You can barely survive on full time min wage as it is. Cutting that is unrealistic and only creates more of the problem of underpaid workers who are more likely to need some form of government assistance. It would probably even out compared to one guy on welfare full time. Or, it creates the need to have two sub-min wage jobs, effectively cancelling however many jobs were created by lowering wages in the first place
>It also allows people that are not that skilled to get a job and learn valuable skills that will allow them to climb the job ladder.
You're delusional. Working at Walmart or McDonalds for 9.15 an hour is not "valuable skills to climb the job ladder", it's the definition of unskilled work that can be done by a million other people waiting for a job. I've done food service for about minimum wage for two years and can't even use that as experience to move into retail for minimum wage. It's meaningless on a resume.
>>70969660
>it isn't inherent in liberalism
yes it is, in fact, white hate is the only logical conclusion to liberalism because, as Ted Kaczynski said, liberalism hates any symbol of strength
>>70969623
>The greatest trick the Right ever pulled was conning middle american Christians on social issues to keep them complacent on economic ones they suffer the most from
lol oh god the irony of this statement
>>70970819
To be fair, Aquinas basically tricked the Catholics into being less retarded and living in the present instead of the afterlife and the Renaissance was due most in part to the Medici's protecting the smart people from the Church.
>>70965511
I remember this. Shit was fun except for the long boring political exposition dumps.
>>70970970
>to be fair, here are a couple of facts that add absolutely nothing to the conversation
thanx
>>70970890
Oh well if Ted Kaczynski said it
>>70966492
>this guy made a movie about gun violence
jesus christ how can a person be so uninformed/stupid? This is the best pro-NRA twitter post i ever saw.
>>70970890
liberalism has existed for centuries and used in societies and by people that owned slaves or advocated for the lesser person-hood of non-whites. If white hate is inherent in liberalism, then everything I just said could not be true (but we know historically that it is).
Wait, did you just use the unabomber to make a philosophical point?
Anyways, Liberalism does not hate any symbol of strength. FDR was a symbol of liberal strength. Modern liberals (and most other Americans) love Lincoln, who was a symbol of strength. Anyone will love a strong symbol that encompasses their personal values, as it validates them in the public eye.
>>70971032
The point is that Catholicism didn't add to what they did, they had to dance around it. I get that you're thick, it's cool.
>>70967933
true, the majority of people are definitely not like that.
Most of our (european) politicians and journalists are though.
>>70970868
>Cutting that is unrealistic and only creates more of the problem of underpaid workers who are more likely to need some form of government assistance. It would probably even out compared to one guy on welfare full time.
I see countless of dirt poor people survive only through hard work and no government assistance. These people also have lots of children. If these guys can, then a priviledged 1st-worlder that is young and single can, too.
Or, it creates the need to have two sub-min wage jobs, effectively cancelling however many jobs were created by lowering wages in the first place
They must do what they have to do to survive. I'm not negating any realities. It is clear that minimum wage and welfare basically enables certain people to simply not work like you say, a leech behavior that I find disgusting but liberals seem to be fine with.
>You're delusional.
Tell that to my Brazilian negro friend that just got a nice job at a bank because he was willing to do basically ad honorem office work there. Not everything is flipping burgers at McDonald's, pal.
>>70971293
>Tell that to my Brazilian negro friend that just got a nice job at a bank because he was willing to do basically ad honorem office work there
You know full well that's the exception and not the rule for minimum wage.
>>70971444
Exception? It's called apprenticeship. An institution that I'm amazed to find in a socialist shithole like Brazil.
>>70971293
Minimum wage and welfare also helps far more normal people than the few leeches on the system, including children and retirees. Removing it or reducing it to punish the few who game the system (and there will always be people who game the system) will have more impact on the larger number of people who actually use and need the assistance.
As a side, largely unrelated note, the current minimum wage in Brazil equates to about 7 and a half US dollars per day, which is about the US Federal minimum wage for an hour of (non-tipping) work.
>>70970217
why would leftists like this, maybe you dont know jack shit about politics?
>>70969025
because she is a communist as a kid
>>70971566
Creating a mass of skill-less, lazy, financially irresponsible NEETs is far from what I would call "helping people".
As I said, there are countless of poor people in these shithole countries that don't receive assistance, have lots of mouths to feed, and they simply wake up in the morning to work. They know they aren't entitled to shit, and they wear this fact like a badge of honor. I can and do respect these people, but a young, single, college-educated liberal born in a priviledged 1st-world country that feels entitled to 15$/h for flipping burgers? Eat shit.
>>70971114
You're mistaking liberalism of the past with what modern day liberalism has become
Liberalism is different when you have a homogeneous society, in this case a homogeneous white society with a shared culture, social cohesion, traditions, religion and beliefs than when you have liberalism in a forced multiculturally decadent, racially schismed, politically correct and self-flagellating culturally marxist society.
Modern liberalism is cuckholdry and the decline of western civilisation. But by all means, everyone's equal right? The subsaharan negro race, that of an IQ of 70 on average who didn't discover the wheel until colonials showed them and whos greatest invention never surpassed the mudhut is 'equal' to the race which invented the combustion engine, the automobile, the radio, the phone, the mobile, the train, the plane, democracy; the European race of artists, philosophers, poets, musicians, the greatest masters and masterpieces the world will ever come to know; Da Vinci, Mozart, Beethoven, Voltaire, Socrates, Benjamin Franklin, Tesla, James Watson. You're deluded to think so and kidding yourself.
And an ideology like Islam which have them drag women out into the streets and beat them to death in crowds of hundreds like the case of Farkhunda Malikzada and the beheading of queers which is now filtering into Europe, should surely be welcomed into white countries. Because that's exactly what modern liberalism endorses.
>>70971859
And also, I must add the single-mothers and alimony-paying-fathers epidemic I'm seeing in Brazil and other shitholes due to the "assistance" the government provides through welfare and child assistance. To me it is clear that welfare creates the wrong incentives, and it's not used to help people, it's a political tool to get the poor people vote.
>>70963847
>television and film board
>"thinly" veiled politics shitposting thread
ok
>>70970217
>this kind of shits on Iran post-Islamic Revolution, which liberals would think is not ok
can you please link me to some liberals saying that post islamic revolution iran is good
stop making shit up
>>70971566
US federal minimum wage is actually $7.25
>>70972127
nobody thinks the Islamic revolution was good
>>70971859
You need to relax dude. Current financial situations and wages which is going to be handed down to our millennial generation aren't adjusting for ever increasing inflation. It's becoming more and more difficult to live sparsely off minimum wage now, and that difficulty is going to continue to increase.
Not everyone's destined for college and universities degrees but labour plays an integral role in the foundations of our society (You wouldn't understand this as a brown skinned third worlder living in squalor in whatever shithole 3rd world country you're typing from) and a nation's governance should exist to ensure the individuals living in that nation state, ideally, shouldn't struggle. That should be the ultimate goal, to have your people and nation prosper under its sovereignty.
Maybe if you kicked out the Jews and the globalist, international usurious banking Jewish cartel and all the immigrants and stopped pumping literally billions of $$$ a year into """"foreign aid"""" and started caring for your people again, your Amerifat country wouldn't be going down the drain so fast and atrociously. Glad people like you aren't in positions of power. Oh wait, they are. Fuck off you kike
>>70972326
that was my point, this is a dumb shitposting thread in general but he made a claim that Persepolis is unenjoyable because it has a liberal bias
I want him to elaborate.
Zeitgeist
>>70972372
you know, I've often felt that if there really is a global jewish conspiracy then I am seriously squandering my judaism right now
>>70971859
you're saying people aren't entitled to a living wage for doing a job?
why not?
>>70963906
What is this I see people sperging about from time to time?
>>70971562
Then we aren't talking about the same thing at all. When people say "minimum wage job" they mean the service industry.
>>70972178
Yes, it's a little bit less than the Brazilian minimum wage averaged for about a day of work (The figure I got, which is definitely wrong to a few cents, was 7.48 US dollars).
Of course, as we both know different states have different minimum wages. The relatively conservative state I live in has a minimum wage above 8 dollars and hour.
>>70966072
>Bernieorbust
lol
>>70971859
You're implying we should all live savages halfway around the world. Race to the bottom! I hope when Trump gets elected, he throws treasonous trash like you on the other side of the great wall.
Make. America. Great. Again.
>>70968755
this is the only good part of the whole movie.
Manson is god tier.
>>70966279
I love this video.
Perfect symbolism of a fat, ugly, sjw, femenazi and a beautiful, smart conservative girl.
>>70967933
>its intresting
Ugg the opening lines of a smug liberal
>>70972594
why do you support trump?
>>70963847
I CAN'T FUCKING BELIEVE YOU STEADILY GET MORE THAN 100 REPLIES FOR THAT OBVIOUS BAITING
>>70963847
Eurofag here and this movie made me wish I was born in some average American town. Looks so fucking comfy.
>>70971866
There's more to your post that I could argue with (including the use of cuckoldry), but you are flagrantly ignoring the massive advances made by the Chinese as well as during the Islamic Golden Age.
Advancements usually come from socioeconomic places, not from racial ones. Evidence of this in relation to Africa is Mansa Musa and the advancements made in Mali. The massive Native American cities along the Atlantic coast, the Meso-American achievements, the Egyptian wonders and the leaps and bounds made in the Mesopotamian region all indicate that people can have the ability to improve and advance, but they require the correct conditions, conditions that can be found in the European Renaissance, as well as during the golden age of Rome and Greece.
Incoming heart attack
>>70971859
>poor people are noble and pure but supposedly rich people doing poor people jobs are evil
>>70972464
I'd like for anyone to actually explain this. The only defense I ever see is flippant comments like "get a real job" or "those jobs aren't meant to support people" without ever telling me why.
>>70971859
Lmao, nice tear jerker sentiment on the iconography of a shit eating third worlder.
I don't give a flying fuck about what shit-skinned race's failure of a country's citizens are suffering. That's their own problem. That's their races problem, that's their nation's problem for being so incompetent they couldn't structure a society well enough to cater to its people as well as a European, white first world country does. And if they have children that's all the more their own fucking problem.
Our first world are going through our own economic and cultural shifts that which has never been seen so exponentially in history before due to the technological advancements of the last century, and that leaves us with our own problems. Why are you downplaying a white nation's problems juxtaposed to a shit stained 3rd world country's problems? What are you, some kind of leftist retard? "Oh, minimum wage is becoming increasingly difficult to live off due to the drastically changing economy and inflation but there's some shit covered 3rd worlder who has it even worse to feed his pathetic children he shouldn't have had." Fuck off
>>70972693
trust me, its not
just a bunch of hicks who peaked in high school
>>70966304
>only in western nations
>>70963847
I never saw it but was teaching Freshman Comp when it was new. A fat Jew colleague of mine of course showed it to his students and made them write about it. I got to see his student reviews and they were a laugh riot of naive anti-Semtism.
Personally I remember seeing parts of Roger and Me and liking it. Today I would find it loathsome.
>>70965776
"native americans" are terrible and its good that we took their land
>>70972859
>>70972464
You're only entitled to what the job contract says. If your job is only worth 10$/h, no government intervention will change that economic reality, so if you're being paid 8$/h or 12$/h, the difference must go/come to/from someone's pockets.
>>70972594
How did I imply that? I thought my pro-capitalist, pro-free market sentiment was pretty obvious...
>>70972859
That wasn't my point at all, my point is that people aren't entitled to shit.
>>70972326
Pretty sure muslims do
>>70972891
How can I be a leftist retard if I'm against welfare and minimum wage, you retarded cuck. Learn to read.
>>70973023
You didn't answer my question at all, why are people not entitled to a living wage?
>>70966149
>liberalism means hating whites
Are you people actually 15 years old?
>>70973113
But I did. Why would you be entitled to more than what you can produce?
Bernie sanders and michael moore are communist scumbags and the world will be a better place when they die
>>70963847
>mass shootings of 3 or more people happens 300 times per year in America
>Americans want to solve it by buying more guns
how can an entire country be so retarded?
>>70973198
now that's an interesting argument, by what metric are you measuring "what you can produce"? Because it would also imply you feel that all management positions are grossly overpaid.
>>70973165
Thats exactly what modern liberalism is, cuck
>>70973232
The guns are for the nigger, bean, and kebab we must remove.
>>70963906
I don't get it
>>70972604
you have no reason to believe she's conservative at all. 99% of the people there are liberal
>>70973232
How can you be so retarded as to think the US can make all its guns go away with laws? When has banning things or having prohibitions ever worked here?
>>70973023
>If your job is only worth 10$/h
Who decides that worth? As the US has moved from a manufacturing industry to a largely retail/service one, the pay for that industry should reflect that as it grows and others shrink. Working in a factory 50 years ago gave you enough to support a family, it's modern equivalent should too, unless you feel that a job should not give you enough to live on.
I realize that's much, MUCH easier said than done though, and not remotely as simple as just paying everyone $15 an hour
>>70973232
Just wait, one day a heroic American with a CC permit will shoot the guy before he kills anyone and prove them all right.
I used to like John Cussack.
>>70973232
let me spell it out to you in a way you can easily understand
>gun manufacturers bankroll the NRA
>the NRA uses that money to give massive amounts of money to conservative politicians who then block gun control
>every time there's a mass shooting the price of guns and ammo goes up because idiotic consumers panic buy since THE LIBRULS ARE GONNA TAKE MUH GUNS despite there being 0 chance of that
>gun manufacturers profits skyrocket
>liberals get frustrated at this state of affairs and become even more rabidly anti-gun because guns are "what dumb rednecks like"
>and thus the cycle continues
anyway I'm sure your country is just as dumb about other things
>>70963847
the animated section in the middle is just horrible
#true_cringe
>>70973266
just stop now. you're arguing with a fucking moron.
>>70966149
>If this were true than white people would've gone extinct a millennium ago
He is kinda right. I was a wannabe punk in Che Guevara t-shirt when I was a kid, and 15 years later I'm basically a one man Auschwitz
>>70963847
maybe i'm a fag, but i remembering liking it when it came out.
what specifically would you say makes it not hold up with time?
>>70966499
wrong. I live in southern california and outside of LA theres alot of conservatives here. The most liberal section of the country is new england, which oddly enough is also the most white
>>70973334
in most western European countries you immense dipshit
before any retards mention the european shootings recently, it's still not even a fraction of american shooting per capita
>be Conservative Democrat
>in a house of stereotypical Bernie Liberals
>in a family of far right Tea Party types
>everyone over
>political screaming
>turn to me, "anon, what do you think- you're awfully quiet,"
>"Fuck Trump."
>liberal dad and step mom hoot and hollar while grandparents sour at me
>"Fuck Bernie."
>weird libertarian uncle starts clapping
>"and fuck you."
>mfw entire family bonds together to scream ta me
>>70973266
When a company adds another worker, that worker, through its labor, creates revenue to the employer. It is also called the marginal value product. Disregarding some things like the value of time, think of this: if a worker produced 100$ through his labor, why would the employer pay him 150$? The extra 50$ must come from the employer.
>>70973334
so would you be in favor of making all drugs legal then? Making them illegal certainly hasn't stopped them from existing but if there were no restrictions at all then they would be far more prevalent don't you think?
its the same with weapons, not that I'm against gun ownership in general but there really needs to be better enforcement of current laws and toughening of laws against illegal gun ownership to make it harder for dangerous people to arm themselves.
>>70969623
If not like left cucks have alienated white Christians by all they hate.
>>70973395
I'm american too don't get triggered pussy
>>70973349
The worth is a result of supply and demand, both in the labor market and in the supply and demand of the products that the workers produce.
>>70973426
so you're even more of a stupid edgelord than when you were as a kid, just in the opposite direction?
>>70973453
European countries have less people and personal freedoms than the US. They have never had as many guns or gun rights as we do, comparing these things is useless
>>70973463
it is simply untrue to say that McDonalds cannot afford to pay its employees $15 an hour
>>70973506
then you're an idiot, if you're american and you're anti-gun why the fuck would you ask why is the entire country retarded
obviously there are people like you who want to do something about it
>>70973501
Oh right, it was the Christians who were the victims of bigotry and repression in America all these years. They weren't at all asking for it with centuries of religious persecution, using the bible to justify slavery, opposing civil rights and women's suffrage almost solely in Christian southern states, etc that turned people against them
Christians get one dirty word or look and act like they're being rounded up for a concentration camp. They dish it out all day but even the thought of taking it is too much
>>70968717
>america is a conservative-leaning country
>the country that exports feminism, white guilt, lgbt propaganda, cuckoldry propaganda non-stop
>conservative
If youre a man over 30 and are still liberal you are utterly hopeless and will never understand the world
>>70973561
Yes
>>70973664
this shouldn't surprise you, christianity is an entire religion founded on a persecution complex, their god was murdered just because he loved everybody and then muh romans
>>70969387
There isn't a good argument against allowing polygamy either but leftcucks hate it for somw reason.
>>70973426
Don't stop doing the Reich's good work, to secure the future existence of our people
Day of the rope gets closer every year
>>70973727
if you're a man over 30 and are still on 4chan you are utterly hopeless and will never get laid
>>70973787
Libcucks love polygamy, they let all of their wives try it out.
>>70965643
well Steve Martin can suck a cock while playing banjo
>>70973810
this is also true
>>70970217
>I like to make assumptions coming right out of my ass
>>70973881
can you please point me to a liberal complaining about persepolis saying post revolution iran is a shithole
>>70970518
>It means you have more employed people
you know what group had 100% employment rate in your history?
>>70970105
>But what liberals don't see is that with minimum wage laws, other job regulations and taxation, the situation is only worsened.
yes, because with those things in place the economy was in such a shitty place in the 60s and 70s
>>70973664
I am talking about how some libcucks like you say how white men are always privileged, no matter if they are born in the middle-of-nowhere-poor-shithole. Don't you think thatalienates whites? You think your model of privilege is perfect when even models utilized in hard sciences aren't.
>>70973925
yes
>>70973426
>I was a wannabe punk in Che Guevara t-shirt when I was a kid, and 15 years later I'm basically a one man Auschwitz
wow man, like, how did you undergo such a major transformation?
People see this movie as super liberal cuck shit but I disagree
If it was liberal cuck shit it would portray the niggers as DINDU NUFFIN types. But the niggers are genuinely hoodlum criminals.
It preaches a message of trying to close a circle of violence and not feed into that shit, but it doesn't say "YO FUCK YOU FOR BEING WHITE AND NOT LIKING CONCRETE JUNGLE MONKEYS"
>>70973602
>European countries have less people and personal freedoms than the US. They have never had as many guns or gun rights as we do, comparing these things is useless
you are a retard.
>>70974048
woops... forgot pic
>>70973787
That's because they're the literal definition of cuckold
>>70974069
what part of that is untrue exactly?
>>70974021
I realized left is for pussy cuckold delusional faggots. Only the strong will prosper, only the strong will conquer.
I just grew up. If you hit 30 and you are still a lib cuck, you should neck yourself.
>>70974048
And the kid ended up getting shot in the end despite repenting.
>>70972775
The Islamic Golden Age is a myth. Islam is openly hostile to science and advocates against any knowledge outside of the Quran. (Quran 5:101-102)
When people speak of the Islamic Golden Age they refer to a period of time when Muslims were a minority in the Caliphate, most usually the years after they conquered Persia. As Islam began to become the dominant religion, coincidentally all scientific progress stopped and in many cases reversed.
>>70973460
>>70974126
I actually expected you to respond to my post.
>>70974098
American states have less people than the population of the european continent. What you define as personal freedoms...let's not go into that. At least we kept some workers rights intact until very recently.
About the guns and the gun rights...see Canada.
>gun rights
more like "gun proliferation" because your economy (the base of societal structure) relies on the production of weapons, or military industrial complex to put it in more known terms
>>70969623
Exactly. Capitalism isnt bad in theory but monopoly and corruption always comes on top. I swear most people on here who blast posters who dare questio capitalism are the same that whine all day about the Jews controlling the world. Well guys, that is freedom and survival of the fittest at work. They played the game and won.
>>70963847
Is it worth watching if you're not a leftist?
>>70973606
didn't McDonalds have to close a bunch of stores in the past years? but anyways why are people complaining about getting payed so little in McDonalds instead of quitting?
>>70974126
This
If you're some leftist lib dem queer above 30 still believing you're gonna be sitting on the grass of your local university with your multicultural group of friends and token black guy, celebrating diversity, immigration, fag rights and Islam blowing your country's shit up after just returning from pozzin' at a Sanders rally, you've lost your marbles for life
>>70974382
no that's because "slower" fast food chains like five guys are eating up their market shares
>>70974250
american states arent equivalent to individual countries in europe
>>70974382
because they don't see any oppotunity to move to a better job, just to move to the side to another similar shit tier job
campaigning for better wages and conditions is what labor should be doing, that's the only reason we have things like a 40 hour work week and minimum wage at all.
>>70974458
you made the comparison population-wise
>>70974379
yes
>>70974341
no, capitalism is bad in theory and there isn't any theory, it's what history served us and economists tried to justify
>>70974544
america has more people than any country in europe. I never said you should combine all the population of europe and treat it as one group
>>70974647
>this whole thread
>/pol/
>>70974433
yea but still how does that not affect their profit margin?
>>70974506
you do realize that them staying in a shit tier job will always lead to a shit tier salary,right? raising pay will not help that much in the long run because inflation would set in
Is there a commie here samefagging or /tv/ is full of this niggers?
>>70974647
you could as well do it. I know the 2nd amendment to your constitution regulates federally, but you said
>>70973602
>European countries have less people
meaning that you took the size of the population in consideration. I refuted that.
>>70974382
>but anyways why are people complaining about getting payed so little in McDonalds instead of quitting?
>I have no contact with the real world
>>70966505
>"exposes" the fact that you can eat too much junk food and get sick
wow what a hero
>>70966304
What exactly does "more equal" mean and why is it a good thing/something I should work to support?
>>70974936
if you really have to ask such a question maybe you should doubt that the people who raised you did a good job
>>70974598
Free exchange of goods between informed and consenting human beings is perfectly sane and right.
>>70974760
/tv/'s always been full of niggers and leftist queers
When one of them on /tv/ gets triggered and sees something they don't like, say this thread, they instantly direct you to /pol/ or have some kind of asinine mental gymnastics rhetoric always ready to spout and that's the extent of their argument. They're always here, ready to defend women, niggers, socialism, gays, trannys and muslims
>>70974994
I just want to know what "more equal" means to you. It could mean lots and lots of things.
I hope you don't ever wonder why some people dislike liberals after making posts like this.
>>70974843
i used to work at Home Depot, I wanted more money so while working there, so I began to take college classes while also looking for other jobs. It was also soon after Obama care, so they demoted everybody to part-time, while working almost full-time hours. It sucked for a couple of years. No life, bed to class, class to library, library to Home Depot. But eventually I found a better job, part-time, wasn't making the same per month but less hours, then I graduated and found a better job. I wasn't the only one there either, most people in my store where only working there as some side job or actively in school. Most fast food places have a low retention number because the capable people leave as soon as possible, (also shitty retards that can't even manage that get fire quickly)
>>70966347
>cheering on their extinction
I personally light up fireworks whenever I see a white person's obituary in the local paper.
>>70967933
WAHHHH, WHY CAN'T I SAY RACIST SLURS WITHOUT REPRIMANDING? 4CHAN WAS MY LAST SANCTUARY WAHHHH
>>70975027
...and capitalism cannot be described in only one sentence
>>70975052
it means "more equal".
>>70975096
wow, you are a hero
>>70975096
>It was also soon after Obama care, so they demoted everybody to part-time
I see the connections you make aren't arbitrary at all.
The demotions were due to neoliberalism, of which Obama of course is a part, but the thought of universal and FREE healthcare should be something you would hold very dear, fucking idiot
Your rights are taken away by the same people you support.
It's like counter-terrorism measures: they always enhance the surveillance and add more laws and yet somehow "terrorist" attacks keep happening. Hasn't that made you even a little curious????
>>70975168
>it means "more equal".
Everyone is treated the same under rule of law?
Everyone is required to treat everyone the same under rule of law?
Everyone has the same income?
Everyone pays the same amount in taxes?
The poor pay less in taxes?
Special government subsidized opportunities for lower class people?
What does it mean? Lots of ideas based on "equality" directly contradict one another. I should know what it is I'm supporting, before I support it.
>>70975096
it wasn't about me being a hero, the point was, only dumb people stay where they are, I'm not saying everybody can become a millionaire but they can certainly get better jobs if they put effort, it isn't hard to get jobs with no experience that start around 15 bucks an hour
>>70975279
I just put that in there to show how I began making less money with an already a low pay and still managed, I'm not blaming the Obamacare or saying that was the democrats fault
>>70975104
Either you're under at least 6 layers of ironic shitposting or are genuinely a nigger. I can't tell, but I think you're just a nigger. Fuck off, retard
Reprimand these nuts
>>70975421
also meant to quote
>>70975168
>>70975291
Equality means recognition of the fact that all humans have some basic needs that need to be fulfilled and the suffering of one is the suffering of all.
Yes, the poor would pay less taxes. Because they are poor, they only have a small income and shouldn't be burdained by taxes. The rich have the conveniency to afford taxes from their private profits.
That's for a society that still pays taxes. In a real, comunist society, nobody would have to pay taxes, at least not in the traditional way of money.
>>70975477
>and the suffering of one is the suffering of all?
How do you weed out people who take advantage of the system, in this hypothetical scenario?
>>70975561
what's taking advantage of the system, that's the thing you need to clarify first.
>>70966357
you know the right does the same ting right? always hated this argument because both sides do it.
>>70975594
Someone or groups of someones who are prepared to take advantage of social programs and consume more of "society's" resources than they produce.
>>70975561
if by people taking advantage you mean freeloaders they are actually a tiny part of the problem
>>70975421
also I was replying to >>70974843 , my point was dumb people stay in shit tier jobs making shit tier pay
>>70975649
Freeloading, in an egalitarian/egalitarian-like society, is not a "small" problem. And they don't only take the form of poor minorities, either. They exist in all social classes and demographics.
They're actually a very large problem, and government organizations/media refuse to call out various freeloading groups and individuals due to fear of loss of political capital.
>>70975744
>>70975647
in a truly free and egalitarian society, freeloading would be minimal and unthinkable as a categorization of a behaviour. Society would be free of labour, becasue right now we have the means to sustain ourselves, it's just the distribution that's organised by the oligarchies that makes this picture you see.
>>70975897
>in a truly free and egalitarian society, freeloading would be minimal and unthinkable as a categorization of a behaviour
Prove it.
>>70975477
>In a real, comunist society,
>Real
>Communist
Hahahahaha, fuck. I always forget people like you exist. There's the sign this thread has run it's course, when people like this start showing up
>muh wasn't real communism
>If it were REAL communism it wouldn't have killed over 90 million people in the 20th century alone
Jesus fucking christ I feel so bad for people as deluded as this. One day you'll get out of mom's basement, kid. Don't stop believing that manifesto, Marx. Keep dreaming big, kid
>>70975941
people would be free to occupy themselves with what truly makes them happy, with what truly satisfied the creative urges, which wouldn't be a single thing for every person necessarily.
For what minimal work this society would require to sustain itself, if people attached their notion of happiness to it, they would truly love it and defend it.
And don't doubt the work would be minimal: there is enough food and enough resources.
Capitalist production aims at increasing quanitites of a product, whether the need for it is genuine or made-up by commercials and movies. You don't need to have a certain group of people shoved in sweatshops and factories for hours to sustain the global civilisation. We all should be taking turns in working small shifts so we can create, which would leave us the majority of the day to enjoy life, while letting others enjoy theirs.
>>70975477
I sincerely hope you're under 30, perhaps a teenager or post-millennial so I can forgive this utter lapse of ignorance. I grew up in the remnants of the Soviet Union and with it the trials and tribulations that came with a communist state. I hope you never have to see children as young as 7 sniff glue in the metros of your country or a child beat for stealing a potato to try and feed himself over the winter.
The brave soldiers of Europe and America, your ancestors, fought for the preservation of their people against the Red Terror so their descendants, you, would never have to grow up in a communist hellhole where the state seizes production and distribution and no one can feed themselves on the whim of state decision making.
It's beyond me these notions are being held in the minds of youth once again, lest history be doomed to repeat itself. You coddled little child haven't the closest notion to what living under communism was like, you only have an outsider perspective romanticised by the literature of the manifesto just as Russia was romanticised by it under Bolshevik control.
If you're over 30 and hold this ideological stance I'd hope we don't cross paths. Many Russians are thankful to have been adopted by the capitalist systems of your west and would spit on you.
>>70976569
>I grew up in the remnants of the Soviet Union
so you 're more than likely to be a neonazi
>a communist state
a flying horse
>>70976569
>you only have an outsider perspective romanticised by the literature of the manifesto
yes, because what Marx was describing was the Soviet Union
Identifying Marx with the Soviet Union is part of the society of the Spectacle.
Your dad probably smuggled cigarettes during Gorbachev, if you really are from the Soviet Union
