>movie has an antagonist
>knows he's evil
>color scheme is black
>has a deep voice
>does things like killing civilians for fun
I fucking hate this cliche. I want a movie where the main antagonist probably doesn't realize he's on the evil side, he dresses in white and colorful clothes, has a normal voice, overall looks handsome and normal and just does things he thinks seem the best option.
Are there any movies that do this (possible without spoilers)? The only one I can think of is Watchmen
Are there movies where the solution the antagonist has is actually logically better but the heroes save the day and ruin the plan?
Why is Ultron so cute?
>>70961445
>>70961548
Zootopia
>>70961548
Watchmen to an extent.
>>70961445
Just because capeshit fails to generate plastic characters, having a villain just rolling around in the fact that he's evil is not a bad trait per se.
Just look at Sheev, he stole the scenery for everyone by just being the codifier of the evil overlord and it was magnificent
>>70961884
It's been a long time since Disney films and other animations had a clear typical evil character
The Rock. Ed Harris never wanted anyone to get hurt, he just wanted justice.
Sid 6.7 was pretty colorful and didnt think he was a bad guy
>evil protagonist
>his only endgame is destroying earth/galaxy/universe etc
My vote for the worst antagonist trait. That shit only ever works in video games or anime
>>70961445
Literally hundreds op. Stop watching capeshit
>>70961548
In Time
>antagonist isn't obviously evil, intimidating, or wears black
>people complain that he's too weak to be taken seriously as a villain
How would you do it, OP?
>hero becomes villain
>this derails his character, writers scramble to claim he was brainwashed lol
>>70961445
Game of thrones. Yes, I mean Daenerys,
>>70964557
>Daenerys
>Not Viserys
>>70964610
Yeah, but he was kinda meant to be evul from the very beginning. Everyone roots for Dany, and all she does is fuck up and make bad decisions while thinking she's the shit.
>>70964381
this, destruction/world domination is retarded unless there is a very good twist to it
>>70964557
Best answer.
Pretty much the sole cause of thousands of lives ruined with thousands more to come all for muh birthright which doesn't even make sense since the throne was taken by right of conquest.
Then theres the justification of oh the peasants want another dragon lord.
>>70961445
Watchmen with Ozymandias
BvS with Lex Luthor
Batman:Begins with Ra's Al Ghul
>>70965331
Lex knows what he does is fucked up, but boys just wanna have fun, and he's to rich and spoiled to care about consequences.
Hardcore henry
>>70961445
why does Ultron look like a robot Garrus from Mass Effect?
>>70962046
True, but then the villain becomes the guys who want to launch the missiles.
Falling Down.
>>70961445
Did you make this thread to trigger me?
>>70961445
>I want a movie where the main antagonist probably doesn't realize he's on the evil side, he dresses in white and colorful clothes, has a normal voice, overall looks handsome and normal and just does things he thinks seem the best option
So you want a movie about Democrats?
>>70961445
You mean breaking bad?
>>70964683
Dr. Doom is just about the only megalomaniac that's easy to root for. From what I hear, they've retooled him into a despot and Latveria into an Eastern European North Korea and stripped away a lot of what made Doom a noble character. but when he was presented with more logical motivations, he was awesome.
>Doom: I can lead us to a utopian future!
>World: Shut up, you lunatic.
>go to his countryit's a paradise
>>70961445
Paul Reiser in Aliens?
>>70961445
Moby Dick
>>70966017
>>70964557
this
although daenerys is a protagonist in the eyes of the writers and all normies
>>70961445
Der Untergang, it made me really sad when he lost.
>>70961972
Wut. The watchmen dont ruin his plan
>>70961548
Law abiding citizen
>>70966412
>writers
I hope she's not in Martin's eyes
>>70966495roscharch's notebook was sent to the press
>>70966315
Nah, he's a scumbag and knows it. He just doesn't care.
Thats what you get for watching flicks, now delete your fucking thread
>>70961548
The day that earth stand still.
>>70961445
>I want a movie where the main antagonist probably doesn't realize he's on the evil side, he dresses in white and colorful clothes, has a normal voice, overall looks handsome and normal and just does things he thinks seem the best option.
Here you go OP
>>70966684
That doesnt ruin shit.
Its just that the truth is there somewhere and not completely hidden.
No good antagonist actually thinks they're evil or the bad guy. No one is motivated by being evil. They think they're doing the right thing as much as the good guys do.
It's one of the reasons I usually hate redemption arcs in TV and movies. Every hero is someone's villain. People just like black and white shit.
>>70961445
Basically Purple man to some degree in the Jessica Jones series. He didnt see himself as a bad guy he just saw himself as doing whatever the fuck he wanted.
>>70961445
Watch the Usual Suspects, if you haven't already
>>70961445
So, Dandy in American Horror Story?
>>70961445
>I want a movie where the main antagonist probably doesn't realize he's on the evil side, he dresses in white and colorful clothes, has a normal voice, overall looks handsome and normal and just does things he thinks seem the best option.
Gotcha senpai
>>70967347
Usual Suspects has nothing to do with the topic.
>>70961548
Avatar
>>70961445
I think obergruppenführer smith from the man in high castle it exactly what you are looking for.
>>70966684
Yeah, but what if the guy doesn't publish the book?
And if he does it, will people believe him?
>>70966861
>Going to kill lots of people just so his project is a success.
E V I L as fuck.
>>70961445
> I want a movie where the main antagonist probably doesn't realize he's on the evil side, he dresses in white and colorful clothes, has a normal voice, overall looks handsome and normal and just does things he thinks seem the best option.Zebo?
>>70967785
The inhibitors were broken you fuck!
>>70967454
Best character desu
>>70966684
A clinically deranged man's illegible ramblings were sent to a right-wing tabloid.
>>70967930
this
>>70967893
Well then Octavius wasnt the antagonist so he is disqualified.
>>70967738
He sent it to a right-wing conspiracy rag. There's no way in hell they're not milking that material for all it's worth, and it contains enough verifiable facts to raise eyebrows. It would get traction and Ozy would spend the rest of his life in damage control mode. Once information like that gets out, it doesn't go away.
"A rumor isn't a rumor that doesn't die."
>>70961445
Perhaps it's time to stop movies with 'antagonists'
>>70967674
This, it was literally necessary to genocide the smurfs in order for the Earth be supplied with fuel. It was them or us
>>70968139
How would you generate conflict then?
There is always an antagonist in every POV.
Tyrion.
>>70968231
Make the protagonist flas his own antagonist?
>>70968087
And then the war will continue and everybody will kill eachother again. Nothing ever ends.
>>70964488
>>70968333
Wouldnt work too well in action movies.
>>70964774
But it wasnt taken by conquest, it was stolen by the kingslayer.
>>70968407
Worked in fight club.
>>70964488
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
>>70968467
Thats why there was barely any action in it.
>>70961983
>Just look at Sheev, he stole the scenery for everyone by just being the codifier of the evil overlord and it was magnificent
This desu. Unapologetic villains who know they're the bad guy can be some of the most entertaining to watch if they're done right. It mostly depends on the actor.
Ichi the Killer
>>70964488
I can't escape.
>>70964488
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the funniest guy around?! Oh my God.
I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little Keit-ai thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting NEET that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just choose the picture. Oh, and we all know the picture. The "epic" Keit-ai poster, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on 4chan posting about a fictional anime. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a NEET. A pathetic keit-aifag NEET. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "FINDS A WAY FINDS A WAY FINDS A WAY." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
Forever...
He didn't know he was evil, he just knew that what he had to do to "save" humanity was regrettable but necessary.
The fact that you can't grasp this simple motive deems you unfit to comment on it.
>>70961445
Does Sam Jackson in Kingsmen fall into this category?
For an extremist space Nazi, Zod's got some pretty understandable motivations. You have to kind of fight to *not* sympathize with the guy.
>>70968617
Yeah
>>70968813
I sympathized with Faora A LOT
>>70966495
Rorschach's journal that got picked up by the newspaper certainly will do significant damage to the cover up.
>>70969048
I'd sympathize with Faora I'd sympathize the shit out of Faora.
>>70961445
Any American WW2 movie set in Europe really :^)
>>70968393
>>70968470
Fuck off weebs.
>>70966868
>>70967930
Yeah, a right-wing tabloid that would squeeze that for every drop.
The entire point of the ketchup being on the smiley face shirt at the end was to show how it all went full circle.
