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When did he become John Oliver 2.0?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8UKXy5Jw6I
>Letting the terrorists win
He wasn't using an assault rifle tho
It was just a semi-automatic rifle.
>assault rifles
What about sub machine guns? Or bombs? There's more than one way to kill a lot of people in the span of a couple of seconds.
God help us should science ever find a way to make magic powers a reality.
He's just desperate for ratings now that he's losing to fucking Carson Daly at this point
Also it's funny seeing rich liberals with armed bodyguards complain about banning weapons they don't think the peasants can handle
>>70814334
He sure liked assault rifles a few years ago.
https://youtu.be/wKq5wmCz0wM
>>70814658
>sam_hyde.jpg
>>70814334
I couldnt believe Conan did this. I was so disappointed I changed the channel immediately to basketball.
Hes always stayed out of shit like this as he states at the beginning and I respected him so much because of it even though i know he had mainly democratic ideologies. He really ruined my night cause I love him so much and watch him everyday but Im just so disappointed.
>>70814736
I like him even more now because I agree with him.
>>70814556
>>70814658
Top kek
>>70814556
What a jackass.
>>70814761
STAHP IT, LEAF.
>>70814658
>no one should be able to own these weapons
>except my privileged friends and I
>>70814517
lol you think conan has bodyguards
>>70814761
It doesnt matter if you agree or not. Its the fact that he had to go onto his soapbox for hollywoods liberal agenda when hes always stayed out of politics. Hes crossed a line he can never go back on.
>>70814860
He's entitled to his opinion, it's a few country.
If you don't want to watch him anymore because he triggers you that's your problem, not mine.
I have even more respect for him standing up for what he believes in.
You forgot there's a second part to the "I disagree with what you say..." phrase.
>>70814940
Whatever cuckservative. Keep ruining America.
>>70814556
I wish I could be a fraction as cool as Hunter S Thompson.
>>70814940
Standing up for what? The awful tyranny of preserving the constitutional rights of hundreds of millions of law abiding citizens?
>>70814940
>standing up for what he believes in
oh yeah real brave stand hes making
And you are missing the point completely. I dont care if he has a different opinion then me. I'll still always watch him but there will forever be something missing.
>>70814961
>>70815025
People disagree with you.
Get used to it. Or kill yourself, it doesn't matter.
"While I disagree with what you say, I will fight to the death your right to say it."
Remember that?
It's not, "I will fight to the death the right of only people I agree with to say what they think and everyone else can shut the hell up."
If you haven't figured this out yet, you never will.
[unsolicited celebrity opinions]
>>70815052
What will be missing?
Why is he less entitled to his opinion than you? And why is he less entitled to express that opinion?
Did you pay for him to keep his mouth shut?
>>70815099
No one here said he should be silenced so get off your little milk crate. There's also a great irony of cunts like you acting like his 1st amendment rights are being violated while he's openly supporting the violation of our 2nd amendment.
>>70815099
If you dont understand the issue just say you dont. Him being against guns isnt the point you fucking retard. Its the fact that he has always been apolitical when it comes to the show but now he feels he has to state his beliefs on the grand stage. He stuck by this professional manner for over 25 years as he stated in the beginning of his speech.
>>70815150
Why is it a violation of the second amendment?
>>70815141
Why are gingers such cuck kings?
>>70815162
Why is it unprofessional?
>>70815190
Idiot.
>>70815127
Its called being a professional. Something that has been missing in the media for a long time and Conan was someone who always stuck to being professional which is what makes this so disappointing. He runs a comedy show not some cnn debate show meant to get a rise out of people and make them take sides.
>>70815171
because they don't have souls
>>70815210
That's not an argument.
I asked you a question. Why is it unprofessional?
>>70815141
Do people with this opinion actually listen to themselves when they talk? How is this not considered racist? Seriously?
>70815141
>Too many White males hosting American talk shows
Ok, resign then faggot. If the market prefers to watch White males what's the problem?
>>70815263
see my actual answer here
>>70815212
>>70815212
He expresses his opinions all the time, some are controversial.
Why is this suddenly unprofessional?
>>70814794
Yes
>>70815099
By that logic then you should shut he fuck up and stop trying to restrict gun ownership, or else you won't be able to defend your right to said anything.
>>70815141
>>70815306
Yes what?
>>70815165
>amendment literally says that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
>Conan is actively calling to have the government forcefully ban arms he doesn't like
Figure it out for yourself
>inb4 le musket or militia arguments
>>70815332
I'm defending it right now.
What are you going to do about it?
How are you going to shut me up, big guy? :)
>>70814860
Dude can have any opinion he wants. If you were a famous celebrity with his own TV show why wouldn't you use it to talk about your beliefs every now and then.
>>70815383
Look out for that edge
>>70815382
Why is it ok for the government to already ban some weapons and not others?
Why aren't you fighting for your right to own a minigun? Why aren't your representatives?
It just bugs me when people make these sweeping statements like "assault weapons should be banned, nobody should have a weapon that can kill that many people" without any real concept of what assault weapons are, and what exactly do they want to ban.
Do they want to ban AUTOMATIC weapons? Well, that's already done.
Do they want to ban all weapons above a certain caliber? Do they want to ban ALL semi-automatic weapons? Do they want to ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds? Or do they just want to ban scary-looking black guns? What about all the guns that already exist that are now banned? How will you prevent the next shooter from getting one of the MILLIONS of those? Buy them back? Destroy them? Take them forcefully from the hands of private citizens? What the fuck do these idiots actually want?
If I saw one person who actually knew what they were talking about take a logical and well-informed stance on this, I might respect it. But it's all fucking reactionary kneejerk bullshit, every goddamn time. And saying ANY of this gets me labelled an NRA right wing gun-nut, and my voting record is about as far left as they come. I gave a grand to Bernie's campaign, for fuck's sake.
>>70815212
How is that unprofessional? If a plumber or a chef or a CEO expresses their political opinion in a public way is that unprofessional of them? He didn't say anything about any side he just said his opinion and then went on with the show.
>>70815405
Says the guy who wants me to shut up because it makes him cry.
Boo hoo. Did I hurt your feelings?
Poor baby.
Goddamn, how quickly the narrative turned to guns instead of radical Islam.
Funny how that works...
>>70815440
So much this.
>>70815436
Nice strawman, I'm against the government banning them too.
Why do you blame a weapon (which is used in less than 1% of shootings by the way) for the actions of a deranged asshole?
Why do you support restricting some civil liberties whilst claiming your right to free speech in infalliable?
>>70815469
Because it's not just radical Islamists who are committing mass shootings.
How come when a white guy like Dylan Roof does it, you're not talking about white supremacists needing to be ejected?
Funny how you'll switch to the mental health argument there but not here.
>>70815469
Fucking this, notice how the media immediately started pushing the whole gun story once it came out that the shooter had connections to ISIS.
>>70815387
It alienates all your fans who dont agree with that belief. its no different then liberals complaining about jokes at the expense of other races or fat people. Go back at old Conan videos and he just rails on fat people like Star Jones and Kirstie Alley but now he never jokes about fat people. He did one about the new fat barbies and he basically got booed a few months ago.
>>70815509
Because my freedom of speech isn't directly harming anyone.
Unless you count your baby feelings I mean.
>>70815528
>comparing white supremacist faggot who killed 8 people to islamist faggot who killed 49 people and has ties to a terrorist organization that has killed thousands worldwide over the past couple years
Funny how he didn't even bring up mental health in his post either nor anything about other mass shooters yet you accused him of defending said shooters you fucking moron.
He's got kids. So many people get like this because they have children, and the scariest thing in the world is your kids getting randomly killed at school or the theater or whatever one day. I appreciate where he's coming from, but this is still all argument from emotion. Might make for a stirring moment of television, but it's not a good basis for making policy. Like, i wish we could un invent the nuclear bomb because it's scary, but it would be bad policy to disarm.
>>70815559
My guns haven't harmed you either, whoops.
>>70815540
>It alienates all your fans who dont agree with that belief.
He seems ready to deal with the consequences of losing people who disagree with him.
You're the only one who seems bent out of shape that he's a person with opinions incongruent with your own.
>>70815528
>>70815582
Yeah we saw your bait, no reason to direct to it again
>>70815528
> Because it's not just radical Islamists who are committing mass shootings
No, it's mostly inner-city blacks.
>>70815605
The difference is my words can never harm you. And words have a primary function apart from causing harm.
I realize this is a difficult concept for you but try to actually use your brain.
Just for once in your life.
>>70815528
Except for weeks after the Dylan Roof massacre newspapers wouldn't shut the fuck up about how it was just another example of "white male rage over losing their privilege in our increasingly diverse, multicultural, woman-and-LGBT-friendly society". Of course he wasn't just a unhinged loner, he was representative of every single white male ever
But a Muslim shoots up a gay club and suddenly it has nothing to do with Islam, he was just a probably-closeted mental basket-case
>>70815643
Shhh, don't tell him that or it might ruin his narrative of thinking that whites should be blamed for most shootings.
>>70815621
>we
No need to try to speak for others just because you're too afraid to speak with your own voice and stand on your own feet.
>>70815658
>Of course he wasn't just a unhinged loner, he was representative of every single white male ever
Of course. Because the Orlando shooter can't be just an unhinged loner, he was representative of every Muslim ever.
>>70815678
Brah, you've been baiting all this thread. Others are taking it but I'm not. Keep it up though, some people still haven't caught on yet
How many people on 4chan do you actually believe are pro-Muslim?
Not a whole lot right?
So don't give the bait (You)s
>>70815649
And yet I don't see my guns harming you or shooting anyone, unless you consider you getting triggered by my ownership of guns you're irrationally afraid of to be harming you in some way.
Keep resorting to your petty "ur brain iz just small" bullshit though, you might get a few retweets on twitter for spouting your childish misunderstanding of the second amendment and "assault weapons".
>>70815643
>>70815668
Nope. Most mass shootings are primarily committed by whites.
Especially in school settings.
It's funny how many white people came out in defense of the Sandy Hook shooting, claiming it was a hoax and trying to discredit it even though most of the children killed were white.
Defending the killer of white children just to keep your deadly toys. Tsk.
>>70815750
0/10, the tsk ruined it.
>>70815739
But your brain is small.
You're even having to resort to reaction images.
I'm sorry if it offends you to point out your cognitive dissonance but I'm just telling you the truth.
>>70815772
-10/10
Your lack of argument and literal saying of nothing ruined it.
>>70815778
0/10
>>70815778
>can't even retort the point made in the post
Canadians are so adorable
>>70815800
You've scared the fish away.
Blew your load too soon.
Got a few Yous, though the effort you put in wasn't worth it
>>70815706
>Because the Orlando shooter can't be just an unhinged loner, he was representative of every Muslim ever.
The media wants it both ways, i.e. "white male shooters are lashing out at losing their privilege to non-whites and women. muslim shooters are just mentally ill crazies that aren't real muslims anyway (trust me, I haven't picked up a Koran, but I do read Vox)"
>>70815800
He's right. Maybe use a Fred image next time. /tv/ likes those.
>>70815778
>>70815802
>>70815809
>>70815831
Is this really it?
I'm disappointed. You can't even properly defend the very thing you claim to cherish so deeply.
And now that you aliens competent Jews like Ben Shapiro, no one will do it for you anymore either.
I think we can conclude I won this debate.
Good talk. :)
>>70815871
>he
You mean you.
>>70815901
Another 0/10
come and get it
>>70815901
>actually mentioning Ban Shapiro
Try to be more subtle next time
>>70815971
Just admit it. :)
You basically stopped arguing (because you were losing hard) and went full defense mechanism mode.
The online equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalala.
>>70815382
>amendment: (noun) a minor change or addition designed to improve a text, piece of legislation, etc.
>a minor change
>change
MUH AMENDMENT IS SACRED, YOU CANT TAKE OUR GUNS
Do you ever get tired of having such semi-literate retards speaking on your behalf, America?
>>70815643
I live in Chicago where niggers kill each other by the dozens every week. But the local media doesn't talk about it anymore because it's been going on for decades. It's a big story when a non nigger kills someone because it's outside the norm.
>>70816015
>quoting your own posts looking to cast a bigger net on terrible bait
>>70816060
Alright, try to change it then ;)
>>70816060
Who do you think is going to bite on this?
well this video marks the last time i defend conan
fuck him
>>70816060
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights
Learn about the bill of rights, sport
>>70814736
>oh no! someone has an opinion that differs to mine!
This entire terrible thread.
Except for this guy >>70815141
That made me rage/laugh
And the world's best comparison award goes to
>>70816177
He's right, it's not debatable. We need to ban assault muslims.
>>70816079
0/10
>>70816177
...so he wants to get rid of Muslims? Or men? Or humans? Because it was the guy who did the killing.
>>70814736
he's in la now, if he didn't toe the pc line he'd be tarred and feathered.
>>70814334
These arguments are always fucking retarded
Banning rifles won't do anything, because the vast majority of criminals don't use rifles, they use handguns because they can be easily concealed. In fact we already tried this with the Federal Assault Weapons Ban and it didn't do anything. Violent crime as a whole has actually been going down, but it seems more frequent because the media has a ubiquitous presence compared to before
>>70815099
>People disagree with you.
>Get used to it. Or kill yourself, it doesn't matter.
>"While I disagree with what you say, I will fight to the death your right to say it."
I agree with this sentiment. It's just too bad that people like you and Conan only pay lip-service to freedom and then turn around and try to shit on other peoples rights because you got a bad case of the feels.
>>70816322
B-But muh deadly baby killing assault weapons need to be banned because the shooters will obviously not ever go into a gun free zone!
>>70814556
>>70814658
>A person can't change his mind ofer the years.
Besides, any one of you faggots would make an exception to your values for Hunter S. Thompson.
>>70815464
>If a plumber or a chef or a CEO expresses their political opinion in a public way is that unprofessional of them?
It's highly unprofessional for my plumber to go on a political rant while he unclogs my drain, yes.
>>70816382
Hunter S. Thompson would call you a limp-wristed faggot for changing your views like that to suit a new audience.
>>70816382
Only stonerfags that think they're smarter than they are like Hunter S. Thompson
>>70816176
He's right lets go back to the nine millionth GoT or capeshit thread.
Fuck off retard.
>>70816453
Rather that than just a political shitposting frenzy that's half bait posts
>>70816322
>but it seems more frequent because the media has a ubiquitous presence compared to before
Also why the BlackLivesMatter idiots have convinced themselves that white-on-black crime is at an all-time high
>>70816432
>>70816433
Say what you want, but the man knew how to have fun. Shooting an assault rifle at teddy bears is not the same as shooting it at people. I'd be up for it.
>>70816519
And he still owned his for self defense
>>70816246
Weapons, but muslims would be more effective
>>70816533
Which you don't really need. A lower caliber gun will kill your assailant just as dead.
>>70816609
Bill of rights, not needs friend.
>>70815440
>I gave a grand to Bernie's campaign
neck yourself.
>>70816384
Exactly this. I suspect no one would keep this ''professiona'' around. They would look elsewhere immediately.
I'm not sure why entertainers think they get to lecture the rest of us on anything. They're so far removed from the common people.
You kids are so retarded. There is no turning back now, no magic wand. I hope you enjoy the murder and killing of 100K+ people from the government forced gun control patrols everywhere shooting and getting shot.
We need to get rid of gun free zones, give vouchers for hand guns and ensure all 300 million adults has a gun at all times.
The only way to stop violence is to take away any confidence a random gun attack would work. Everyone needs to be armed is easier to achieve then nobody being armed in this country.
>>70816640
Necking means making out where I'm from.
I'll try I guess?
>>70815141
holy fuck I always liked conan but he just a fucking moron like the rest of them
>>70816609
You don't need anonymity online.
All posts should be linked to your name.
Hate speech isn't free speech
>>70816624
I'm not American, so tell me. Does it say anywhere you can have weapons on par with, if not a bit lower than the military?
>>70815141
I.... I didn't know that this existed
I actually defended this idiot a few times after seeing his ratings were BTFO
>>70816742
Why ask such an odd questiom if you don't live there? Unless you have an endgame and argument in mind as I suspect
>>70815382
Did you realize that the average citizen cannot own a tank or a belt fed machine gun? How are they not covered under the 2nd amendment and why are you okay with those being unavailable to the average Joe?
>>70816742
Well yeah, it pretty clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
What you should be asking here is where it says that you can't own said arms.
>>70816741
False equivalency.
With the state of online communication as it is, we need a least ONE place where people can be anonymous more than ever.
Civilians don't really need assault rifles other than justifying their excess. Returning to your analogy, the worst that can come of anonymity is hurt feelings, so limiting a potenial exchange of ideas is wrong to me. I see nothing wrong with making guns harder to obtain, or making certain weapons inaccessible to civilians.
>>70816850
Uh, you can actually buy a tank anon, they're just expensive as fuck.
>>70816827
I'm just curious, and a lifelong fan of Conan. I don't disagree with him, but I do with he hadn't used his show as a platform. for it. There are other means.
>>70816863
>it pretty clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Of course, and I agree with that. I was just asking if it specifies what caliber or kind of arms.
>>70816864
>You don't NEED this! Excessive. >muh salt rifles
Kek
>>70816850
He's right guys. Turn in your guns now.
I agree with Conan, but a lot also needs to be addressed with the state of mental healthcare in this country.
>>70816936
I'm new to arguing about this, but you didn't really counter my argument. Or at least tell me why what I said was so kekworthy.
>>70816974
You're entire argument is based on what you believe I 'need'
You say it's excessive. The best selling rifle in America is excessive lol.
I ask in return what types of infringements would you place on firearms? To curb our excessiveness.
If you guys would live in the civilized parts of the world like Europe, Asia or Australia, you would've figured out the connection between your gun laws and homicides and mass shootings long ago.
Sucks to have a shitty fake democracry driven by lobby money which will never allow you to live a civilized live in peace. The greed has finally destroyed your shithole of a country. There is no way back anymore. Really says a lot if the biggest chance at changing your corrupt system and country is a 69 year old retard from Queens.
>>70817089
Yeah, I'm ok with it. Seems it makes you more butthurt lol
>>70817089
Great bait mate
>>70817089
>Australia
>civilized
I almost choked on my coffee
>>70816914
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
>>70814334
>all those upvotes
>all those cringey "SO BRAVE!" comments
>>70816914
Nope, it makes no specification of what caliber or kind of arms.
The main reason for this was due to the Founders wanting the people of the nation to be armed and ready to defend themselves against a tyrannical government (like the one they just fought for a decade) should the need ever arise, regardless of when it would happen.
They really were some of the smartest men to ever grace the planet.
>>70817149
Don't worry lad, idiots just keeping each other company.
If Twitter and Faceberg memes reflected reality Bernie Sanders would be running unopposed with 80% approval
>>70814736
i don't watch conan on tv anymore, just catch his youtube uploads but i used to watch back in 04/05 so i've been a fan for quite a while now. and yeah, the orlando video was so unlike him, i'll still keep up with conan since i only do through youtube anyway, but man, he's changed a lot since his exile to tbs.
>>70817250
>tfw he got destroyed by the popular vote and spent 4 times as much money as Trump
Watching his downfall and him disproving his own point that only money can buy elections has been so fun.
>>70817038
Isn't the United States known as a country of excess?
And my argument is based on what it takes to kill or disable a person, which isn't much. An assault rifle isn't needed for that, by you or me, or anyone.
As for how to punish... I have to admit I don't have the answer to that. But the problem is clear, just as my country has a public image of a Cartel-infested shithole, yours has the stereotype of a new shooting every week. These types of crimes are a direct cause of a country's laws, and a reflection of its culture. I believe civilian shootings happen partly due a fairly low regulated access to relatively high powerd weapons and lack of a WIDESPREAD culture of responsible gun use. What would be wrong with regulating guns of a certain caliber?
The way you answered my post made you sound very reactionary and overly defensive, not to mention smug.
>lol
Come on.
>>70815266
whites can talk about other whites.
>>70817445
>a new shooting every week.
And from a statistically perspective, the events you are informed about are completely insignificant.
The "mass shooting" numbers are completely held up by blacks shooting and killing other blacks in gang violence.
Gun violence in the United States is overwhelmingly from suicide, not from homicide.
You are more likely to get stabbed to death or beaten to death than be killed by a gun in the US.
>>70817209
I'm aware of that, and it's why I agree that people should be allowed to own weapons.
It does seem, from an outsider's perspective, that there is a problem with responsible gun use in the U.S. I'm aware of the NRA, I think. But the fact that so much of this specific type of crime is happening means there is a problem to solve.
I'm just some guy, voicing his meaningless opinions.
>>70817445
You should know that the vast majority of these shootings happen in "gun-free zones" or cities/states with strict gun control laws already in place.
I should know as a Chicago resident (where we have some of the strict gun laws in the nation and have dozens of people killed every weekend here).
Also it should be noted that mass shootings only take up a small portion of gun deaths in the US (not to mention suicides are usually counted under this stat) and the media sensationalizes these shootings like fucking crazy thus leading to more copycats (whilst they blame the fucking tool itself rather than the person actually shooting people).
>>70814658
DELETE THIS
How the fuck can someone who has been investigated by FBI, twice iirc, and had to be on a terrorist watch list, still be allowed to legally still buy an assault weapon?
Can't wait for the inevitable surge of people stockpiling and buying guns like it's black Friday again, because why not try to solve the problem when we can just throw more guns at it, since that's clearly shown to work so well.
>>70817538
There is a problem to solve, but banning the weapons from law abiding citizens isn't going to help stop these shootings (especially since most of them happen in places with strict gun laws).
We need to start looking at mental health (and in this case particular case tackling islamic terrorism before more of these attacks happen on US soil).
>>70817598
>assault weapon
What you should be asking is why a guy who literally pledged allegiance to ISIS to the police wasn't detained on the fucking spot despite the Patriot Act supposedly giving law enforcement these powers, and also why his dad wasn't under surveillance despite having ties to the Afghan taliban.
For the record the shooter worked as a security guard.
>>70816864
First of all "assault rifles" in the sense of "selective fire rifles that are actually used by the military" or just "guns with fully automatic capability" are relatively difficult to obtain and tightly regulated, barely any civilians actually own these guns. If made after 1986, it is also illegal to possess them.
Second of all even if you're just referring to "assault weapons" or just "rifles" in general that's also meaningless because the overwhelming majority of gun related deaths are by handguns... the guns that people agree are acceptable for self defense. And the term "assault weapon" also encompasses weapons like the Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, a gun only capable of shooting .22 long rifle cartridges and is only really useful for hunting varmints and critters.
>>70817598
Being "investigated" doesn't mean that much if you believe at all in the principle of "innocent until proven guilty."
>had to be on a terrorist watch list
No, not really.
>>70817502
>completely insignificant
It's a very low percentage compares to oter types of crime, yeah. But how they affect public opinion is significant.
>You are more likely to get stabbed to death or beaten to death than be killed by a gun in the US.
You could say that about anywhere, really.
>>70817552
>the media sensationalizes these shootings like fucking crazy
That's true, and it presents a certain image about the U.S. internationally. I do feel it's siginificant because cases like these can be used to promote real change, if only by being in the public eye so much.
>>70817611
>We need to start looking at mental health
100% yes. And doing something about illegal firearms, I suppose.
>>70817598
If the FBI did a shit job at flagging a would-be terrorist that then went off 2 years later, the fault lies with the FBI. If they had actionable evidence, he would have been picked up; you don't get to deny rights to a US citizen that has not committed a crime.
>>70817598
Because being armed is a constitutional right and you cannot be deprived of your rights without due process of the law.
The terrorist watch list is just an extrajudicial tool that is meant to be used internally by government agencies to focus their surveillance efforts. The FBI, NSA, DoHS, they can all put you on the the watch list for no reason at all and not explain to you why they did it. Giving the government the power to ban people from gun ownership like that, whoever they want for any reason they want, would completely undermine the point of the 2nd Amendment.
Being investigated is not the same as being convicted. Innocent until proven guilty.
>>70816971
This.
>>70817674
>But how they affect public opinion is significant.
Just because the public sees something as a problem doesn't mean it actually is one.
All it means is that the public doesn't understand the purpose of the 2nd amendment or statistics, which are probably bigger problems than a statistically insignificant amount of crime.
>>70817674
> And doing something about illegal firearms
Wasn't this fellow's gun obtained legally?
>>70816850
Theoretically you can get a tank it's just that nobody's willing to sell it to you
>>70817665
I see. I know very little about actual guns, and it shows. I errouneously used the term "assault rifles" to mean "more powerful guns", because I'm not familiar with the specifics.
So, if these guns are already as strictly regulated... then the answer would be
1)To do eliminate illegal gun trade.
2)To improve mental healthcare in the U.S. in order to better prevent these types of incidents.
What do you think?
>>70816850
You can own a belt fed machine gun. It's just expensive.
>>70817723
Thanks :^)
>>70817737
>Just because the public sees something as a problem doesn't mean it actually is one.
But in this case, mass shootings are a problem. Statistically small, sensationalized to hell and back, but over the years there have been enough cases to see a pattern. Maybe better mental healthcare could be a possible prevention, as that anon said.
>>70817769
>Wasn't this fellow's gun obtained legally?
If so, then this is what I meant when I said better regulation of who gets to own a gun. If the U.S. had better mental healthcare then there would be a record of this person not being fit to own a weapon, regardless of caliber.
I don't think the US needs to have semi-auto rifles, or anything that is automatic for that matter,
In my country guns are banned, and you still get rifles for hunting/targets/anything you would actually use a gun for.
lets be real a rifle for defense is retarded, if you use it as defense and keep it locked away safely at the same time.
but all that being said this isnt about guns, its about mental health and terrorists.
the difference between any other citizen shooting up something and this guy is that his family was only new to the US. You brought (or their parents) your problems to these lands not the other away around.
but of course this is just ammunition for stopping guns.
Politics wants More immigrants from war torn countries and less guns so of course this happened
>>70817538
>It does seem, from an outsider's perspective, that there is a problem with responsible gun use in the U.S.
That's only because you're watching the news and not actually here. The type of people who are dangerous with guns are a minority and the type who wouldn't be deterred by a stupid fucking law. The Snackbars still managed to Allahu in Paris despite the law. But for some reason, when Americans get killed by terrorists we have to blame Americans for it, (specifically conservatives, white men, gun owners etc.)
The popularity of the Daily Show led to even more agenda pushing and editorializing on comedy shows. The Colbert Report was a testing of the waters. This sort of thing has always been around, it's just way more fine tuned.
>>70817713
It's weird that people are generally speaking ok with giving NSA basically free access to spy everything you do digitally and not freak out about the blatant invasion of privacy because "well I've got nothing to hide" and "if it stops terrorism, it's okay" but the second someone suggests that maybe people who are suspected of terrorism might not be allowed to purchase a gun, or at least trigger some kind of an extra check up, it's over the line.
>>70817840
I disagree with you on the guns part completely but otherwise you're precisely correct, it amazes me how people want more refugees from these shitholes in their countries when they literally only bring despair and crime with them.
It seems to literally only be based on the false belief that America was founded to take in refugees regardless of background (and in Ellis Island where they did more rigorous testing than today).
>>70817884
Most people who support gun rights are against shit like the NSA (at least from the people I've known).
>>70817837
> but over the years there have been enough cases to see a pattern. Maybe better mental healthcare could be a possible prevention, as that anon said.
If you want to limit mass shootings you have to provide an answer to the negro question, because black communities are where a majority of these events occur.
Black communities have an enormous amount of economic and cultural issues to deal with.
And if you look at crime rates, positive progress is already being made, regardless of how many new stories your TV shows you or how many tweets you get about violence.
>If the U.S. had better mental healthcare then there would be a record of this person not being fit to own a weapon, regardless of caliber.
Did this individual have a background of mental health issues? He was diagnosed with something at some point in time?
No, many of these highly advertised mass shootings are committed by people who do not have prior criminal backgrounds nor do they have well documented mental illness.
>>70814501
If science discovers it it won't be magic you dingus
>>70817840
It's true this is an instance where he was a recent immigrant, but then you have Sandy Hook and the Virginia Tech shooting where it was just fucked up young adults. Not sure how many times this will happen before both sides get serious about working out a solution.
>>70817840
>I don't think the US needs to have semi-auto rifles
Yeah, and I don't think you need to breathe any longer. Start holding your breath.
>>70817840
>I don't think the US needs to have semi-auto rifles, or anything that is automatic for that matter,
Semi-auto=/=automatic. Automatics are effectively banned. A semi-auto rifle fires at the same rate as a modern handgun.
>lets be real a rifle for defense is retarded,
It's not, but its practicality is situational.
>but of course this is just ammunition for stopping guns.
Exactly. French people get shot by terrorists and everyone hates ISIS. Americans get shot by terrorists and it's my fault for not being a defenseless cuck and wanting gun bans.
>>70817851
>But for some reason, when Americans get killed by terrorists we have to blame Americans for it, (specifically conservatives, white men, gun owners etc.)
Because America allows people with mental problems to still have easy access to guns through legal ways. Paris attacks required long time planning and logistics to smuggle and acquire the guns, proving a lot of premeditation and time having spent on it, something you wouldn't usually see with most nutjobs who buy a gun and then start killing people.
>>70817940
I think he was pretty obviously being facetious.
If this guy had thought ahead, he could have burned down the nightclub and killed absolutely everyone inside though.
>>70816669
The fact that this is America's best hope is hilarious and sad.
>>70814334
>these mass shootings are happening so often now
I wonder why these false flags keep happening over and over so liberal cucks can go on tv and say we need to take away people's rights.
Fucking authoritarian left is going to be the death of us all.
>>70817976
Authoritarian right and left will be the death of us all.
Ben "Zyklon B" Garrison was right.
>>70817901
>It seems to literally only be based on the false belief that America was founded to take in refugees regardless of background
>>70817948
Those weren't acts of terrorism technically like this one (or connected with a larger terrorist cell in the United States to our knowledge).
Really the best way to get serious is to examine mental healthcare in the US (if you notice most of these shooters were hoped up on different mental drugs) and for the media to stop giving so much press to these shooters, hell they keep doing it for the (relatively) smallest cases of shit like double homicide in the workplace and encouraging lore cocpycats to do this shit to get publicity.
>>70817951
tell me, why do you need a semi auto or any gun for that matter.
I doubt youll give a reason given you had no response other than "MUH GUNS" before
>>70817948
The Vtech shooter was an immigrant too, I think. He was just an edgy atheist chink motivated solely by being a psycho instead of being a psycho with a religious affiliation.
>>70817971
The same thing happened with the Orlando attack too though, the guy spent months visiting the club and planning out his exact attack plan to get the most kills possible.
It was planned exactly like the Paris attacks from what I can see.
>>70818002
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
This is why I need a gun.
>>70818002
Why do you need food other than bread and water?
Even if America did put heavier bans on guns, there are so many in the country there is no policing it, they're fucked and it's their own fault, just sit back and watch it implode.
>>70817998
Some bitch wrote a fucking poem in the nineteenth century and libshits act like it's our foundational creed.
>>70817998
>using a Jewish poem tacked onto a monument in 1903 to define the purpose of a nation made 130 years ago
>>70817998
I didn't realize she was a founder of this nation
>Lazarus was born into a large Sephardic-Ashkenazi Jewish family, the fourth of seven children of Moses Lazarus and Esther Nathan,[3]
>>70818044
>it's their own fault
Damn right.
Live free or die.
>>70816664
His job is to say a monologue, introduce a guest, make the interview, introduce musical number right? That would be the equivalent of the plumber unclogging your drain correct?.
The thing is , the monologue is based around basically the news that are available , and spin them in some sort of funny way. The fact that there are literally nothing else on the news but that particular terrible event, make the task of joking about it impossible, still he has a job to do to tell the news, being nothing funny to say about that subject he told his personal opinion, he kept the show going and return to trying to make people laugh . That sounds exactly like the definition of professional, I think you might enjoy sitcoms , there are rarely any surprises or personal opinions by the characters over there.
>>70818027
>>70818032
see this is why no one takes the whole thing seriously.
the only reason you can think of why you want something is because "you can" you can't give one shred of reasoning other than that.
>>70818032
I think living off of bread would have problems tbqh as for water, I could but i dont think coffee and i like the caffeine from other drinks
>>70818002
Give me one reason why you need to take the rights away from other americans. One good reason that isn't "MUH FEELS"
>>70817999
I agree, but unfortunately Big Pharm is even more powerful than the NRA, and while illegal immigration is a big problem in this country, I don't see legal immigration being the root of this problem.
>>70817851
>terrorists
Was the dude really with ISIS? If he was for sure, the media wouldn't say "allegedly". It seems the dude was mentally ill (and an idiot). If it's clear that he was not actually affiliated with an enemy terrorist organization, than it's a problem with the U.S. Despite the dude having comitted an act of terrorism.
And about France: Despite actually having been attacked by an enemy terrorist organization, yeah, France fucked up. It's a problem with their national security. Something they have to deal with instead of pointing fingers.
>>70817933
>economic and cultural issues to deal with.
You said it yourself. Where there are economic issues there is bound to be crime. lack of resources, as well as education, leads to crime and violence. If I knew how to solve poverty and help poor people not be stupid... I'd do that here in Mexico.
>positive progress is already being made
That is absolutely true. Doesn't mean we can't talk about existing problems.
And if he wasn't diagnosed with anything, then that just brings us right back to needing better mental healthcare. Sane people don't just do this out of nowhere, so the U.S. has to strive to detect as many as possible, not just to prevent mass shootings, but to improve the quality of life of its citizens.
>Islamic terrorism? Nah, let's focus on Christians, conservatives, and guns for just one second
>>70818061
You can adress the news and offer support without inserting you own PERSONAL opinion, which is what Conan did. I don't like it, despite agreeing with him personally.
>>70817971
>Because America allows people with mental problems to still have easy access to guns through legal ways.
The only way to stop it is to effectively ban and confiscate firearms from everyone. Freedom necessitates a certain amount of risk. The fact is, violent crime has been decreasing for years and years. Mass shootings are statistically irrelevant.
>Paris attacks required long time planning and logistics to smuggle and acquire the guns, proving a lot of premeditation and time having spent on it, something you wouldn't usually see with most nutjobs who buy a gun and then start killing people.
So the same end result, but you get to feel better because they had to work a little harder to achieve it. Oh, and lots of people are denied rights for your fuzzy feelings. The apex of stupidity.
>>70818044
>just sit back and watch it implode.
Fucking retard lol.
>>70818088
because as a society we need to work at the lowest level.
its the same for I can drive double the speed limit and not crash yet i cant do so because some other cunt is shit at driving, or that certain drugs are banned because others cant use them safely.
I know your just trying to straw man this shit and throw out anything in a hope it will stick but you can't. not on this topic.
>>70817962
Gentle reminder that when the Charlie Hedbo incident happened, gun nuts immediately started blaming France's gun laws for not allowing people carry guns everywhere (just like with Sandy Hooks the problem was that teachers can't carry guns at school) and people even made re-enactments where they tried to prove that had they had guns, nobody but the terrorists would have died, only to end up with results where out of twelve volunteers they had, only one survived, and only because that person chose to run away instead of trying to shoot the bad guys.
>>70818049
>>70818050
>>70818059
>The Statue of Liberty triggers the right this much
>>70815141
>Too many white males is a problem worldwide
How the fuck does this guy calling for genocide have his own television show?
>>70818120
:^)
>>70818129
>a poem put on the statue in 1903 has anything to do with the founding principles of our country
0/10
>2016
>he thinks he has a "right" to a lethal weapon
were you born with an automatic rifle in your hand? No? Then you don't have a right to it, you dumb fucking piece of subhuman retard nigger shit.
>>70818128
>re-enactments
>>70817948
The secret is, there is no solution.
The point of the 2nd is that the people have sufficient power to pose a threat to the federal government, in order to ensure that the government does not become tyrannical (a la what is happening right now in places like Venezuela, Turkey, Egypt). Most people don't realize that just because we have a mostly honest government now, that might not be the case in say 50 years, and that once you lose a right you generally will not get it back.
Of course, in order to challenge a federal army, you need army-grade weapons. And army-grade weapons will obviously be more than sufficient to attack unarmed, untrained civilians.
It's just a trade-off that you have to accept. Small-scale tragedies in order to prevent mass-scale tyranny.
>>70816742
>I'm not American, so tell me. Does it say anywhere you can have weapons on par with, if not a bit lower than the military?
Founders let average citizens have military gunships.
>>70818079
>I think living off of bread would have problems tbqh as for water, I could but i dont think coffee and i like the caffeine from other drinks
I like the satisfaction of knowing that if some dindus break into my house at night I can blow them the fuck away. My gun might actually save my life. Will your coffee and sugary drinks do that? No? Well, you definitely don't need them.
>>70818079
I linked you to an article that describes the creation of the amendment and it's purpose.
Perhaps you should try reading?
>>70818148
The left wants mass-scale tyranny thought. They want a people who are in debt to the government. They want people who need the government to provide them food, shelter, and transportation. They want a police force that is the only means of protecting your own life, but at the same time the police are not legally obligated to protect you. They want all forms of media to be censored to fit their narrative.
The left is voting for and supporting tyranny. They want to take guns away so freedom loving americans can no longer fight back.
>>70818124
>its the same for I can drive double the speed limit and not crash yet i cant do so because some other cunt is shit at driving, or that certain drugs are banned because others cant use them safely.
You can own a car that can drive 5 times the speed limit, you just can't do it legally. Same thing with guns. You should be able to own a gun that can do whatever, but to go out in the street and start blasting the air? No can do.
And I'm sure you know all about the whole drug legalization movement so no need to comment on that.
It's so interesting to me how gun nuts have the dumbest fucking stock arguments ever that the just repeat endlessly and seemingly think are very smart, yet everybody that isn't in the cult isn't convinced for a second. And no one in the gun nut crowd ever clues in.
"Guns are just a tool. Nothing to freak out about. Like a drill bit or a stove. Sure you can hurt people with them but you'd never ban a tool like that because of irresponsible use by idiots, would you?"
No one but you buys this false equivalency, guys.
Speaking of which
"You are just afraid of guns"
Hilarious coming from people that live in fear of niggers. Oh but laws against that "social ill" work and are important.
And in this thread, as expected
"there are no automatic weapons"
When you have to resort to semantics you already know you are not on the logical side of the argument. You know what people mean. Pretending you don't isn't convincing anyone, retards. An AR-15 is an automatic rifle in everyone's mind except the super defensive. Shut the fuck up about your autistic terminology about it's not a true machine gun, no one cares. That's not the spirit of the argument.
>>70814334
>>70814736
>>70816322
>>70817149
>>70817976
THEY DONT WANT TO BAN GUNS
THEY WANT TO BAN WEAPONS MEANT FOR WAR
You guys are so fucking stupid. And white. But those go hand in hand
>>70818205
poo poo pee pee
>>70818205
>An AR-15 is an automatic rifle in everyone's mind except the super defensive. Shut the fuck up about your autistic terminology about it's not a true machine gun, no one cares. That's not the spirit of the argument.
This is bait
>>70818163
>I like the satisfaction of knowing that if some dindus break into my house at night I can blow them the fuck away.
Good for you. Unfortunately, I don't give a flying fuck about your satisfaction, and neither does any other competent adult. I care about my safety and the safety of people I care about, that objectively outweighs your "satisfaction"which, surprise surprise, is apparently rooted in paranoid racism
>>70818205
shit bait desu
>>70818225
name one weapon that wasn't meant for war
protip: you can't
>>70814334
Why are americucks so obsessed with their guns? (real question here), I know it's a divisive subject, but I've always wondered why do the pro guns people cling so hard to not having anything else changed on gun laws (I've read there has been reforms about it) , but why do they fight so hard for them, I know it's in your constitution and it's a right, but why do you need them so hard ? , it's not like any other country want to invade you, at least I doubt by foot (and your military would also see them coming from miles away), so I discard the idea of it being about protecting the u.s.a soil from invasion, and if it's for protecting yourself from your own government.. I mean, even with an arsenal what would any civilian be able to do against the american army, like realistically, a civilian against a fighter jet, an armored vehicle , a tank , kevlar vests and helmets , and way better guns .. I don't really see the point of wanting to have a dozen riffles. I've always thought that I'm probably missing the point and it's not about the guns, but more about rejecting being told NO , or that you can't do something (freedom), that if you wanted to you could go right now and buy 10 guns (even if you don't want them or need them) just because you can.. But, sometimes I guess like any kid, you should learn to be denied things , and learn that sometimes being told no could be for your own good...
>>70818148
I think compromises will eventually be made, it's just a matter of how many mass killings first.
>>70818190
This is Michael Savage level paranoia.
>>70818252
My dick
>>70818244
>My safety outweighs your safety
That's really not how this works
>>70818205
>actually taking the time to write this shitty bait out
I applaud you for killing my sides
>>70818190
I think it's mostly just that people are naive. You tell them you need checks on the government, ans they ask "Why? The government isn't going to suddenly turn evil."
Then they freak out about how if Trump wins we're going to turn into Nazi Germany. Incredible cognitive dissonance.
>>70818144
Were you born slamming your ignorant hands on a keyboard to create inane comments?
>>70818258
rape is a tool of war, ergo: it was meant for war, even if it's a micropenis
>>70818124
>In 2010, there were an estimated 5,419,000 crashes (30,296 fatal crashes), killing 32,999 and injuring 2,239,000
>In 2010 unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
You own and use one of the most dangerous mechanical devices in all of human history, and you want to flame gun owners?
>>70818255
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>70818205
>No one but you buys this false equivalency, guys
>I don't need to compose an actual argument, you're wrong and I'm right because I say so.
>Hilarious coming from people that live in fear of niggers. Oh but laws against that "social ill" work and are important.
Strawman.
>When you have to resort to semantics you already know you are not on the logical side of the argument. You know what people mean. Pretending you don't isn't convincing anyone, retards. An AR-15 is an automatic rifle in everyone's mind except the super defensive. Shut the fuck up about your autistic terminology about it's not a true machine gun, no one cares. That's not the spirit of the argument.
>Being actually knowledgeable about the subject at hand is stupid, I'll just blindly throw out buzzwords and talk out of my ass. No amount of actual facts can change my mind, you fucking lunatics!
>>70815559
Then why do people need to retreat to their safe space?
>>70818287
He also operates it in an unsafe manner to the threat of all other drivers sharing the road
>>70818252
A handgun is good enough to defend yourself.
Justify a 30 round AR without sounding like a retard.
>>70818225
>weapons ment for war
What else are weapons designed for, except for maybe hunting. They want to ban hunting guns as well though... So yes, they want to ban guns.
Also, the rifles used by the military are unable to be purchased by civilians anyways.
>>70818283
Rape is a tool of pleasure libcuck
>>70818313
handguns were meant for war
>>70818265
Scenario A: Someone breaks into your house with a knife.
Scenario B: Someone goes into a public place and opens fire with an automatic weapon killing potentially hundreds of people
which situation is worse?
>>70815141
based conan
>>70818205
If there's no difference between semi-auto and full auto, can we please repeal the Hughes Amendment?
>>70818313
Because the 2nd amendment says so faggot
>>70817782
>1) eliminate illegal gun trade
Impossible, black market can only be snuffed by making it legal. At least then everything can be tracked. But that's far too controversial to be considered.
>2)To improve mental healthcare in the U.S. in order to better prevent these types of incidents.
Not likely. If they actually did their jobs it would hurt far too many politically correct feelings.
Best we can hope for is deterrents and public self defense and vigilance. Actually getting anything done requires Liberals to put their political egos aside and realize reality.
>>70818244
My guns aren't a threat to your safety, and neither am I.
>>70818365
Oh ok then, I'll just take your word for it, Mateen.
>>70818111
I guess that's a valid point, but I guess that if he tried to just say some short scripted message about that situation people would have said something around the lines of him not caring, or not caring enough. But yeah, I suppose every other host will address the subject on a different fashion , saw the Colbert one, it was good but it felt quite scripted probably to avoid inserting his own opinion.
>>70818348
>comparing a musket to a fully automatic assault rifle
>being this white and retarded
>>70818334
Can you kill a room full of people with it?
>>70818225
WEAPONS MEANT FOR WAR ARE ALREADY BANNED
IT IS ILLEGAL TO OWN A "MACHINE GUN" AS DEFINED BY THE NFA IF IT WAS MADE AFTER 1986
EVEN IF IT WAS MADE BEFORE 1986 IT'S A. EXPENSIVE AS FUCK AND B. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH SO MUCH RED TAPE THAT YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST BUY A GLOCK INSTEAD
>>70818338
B, but A happens far more frequently and is a bigger threat to the average person.
>>70818338
You didn't mention death in the first scenario so congrats on making 2 uneven events.
In the eyes of the law, both situation would charge the criminal with murder, so they are equal
