Redpill me on Dr. Manhattan.
>>70689083
He is blue
>>70689083
He has a big blue dick.
Arguably one of the most poweful superheroes ever. He can fucking travel to different galaxies and shit in a blink of the yee.
>>70689083
>le redpill me
He wouldn't appreciate people being /pol/fags
>>70689083
>Redpill me
Take 20 mins to read his Watchmen issue. You will learn more and in the correct context.
He created the current DC universe
>>70689083
He sang the famous Eiffel 65 song.
>>70689083
He blue himself
>>70689220
is he limited to the speed of light?
>>70690295
No, he can see through time which advanced at the speed of light
>>70689290
>reading comics
yeah, no
>>70689220
nope, I was reading up on superheroes and he is pretty meh tier. He is a matter manipulator or something similar, while there are literally god tier reality warpers
Franklin Richards, Molecule Man and The Beyonder are the most powerful heroes or so I read
>>70689203
he's rather small to be honest.
>>70689220
He's actually not that powerful. He just looks like that big of a deal because he shits on everyone else in his universe
>>70691560
>nope
>cites cursory google search then opposing publisher
>>70689244
It's just a word, get over it.
I SAID
>>70691901
LEAVE CAPEKINO TO ME!
>>70689083
>Redpill me
>>70691525
gtfo then
>>70689244
he actually wouldn't care about any interaction between humans desu
>>70689083
Regular beta Jon Osterman turned into a literal "God" like being. Because he's so unbelievably powerful and somewhat alien, his human personality is dissapearing which isn't helped by the world being shit and the people around him being shit.
"Why care about a world I no longer have any stake in". Sums it up.
>>70691560
how can a fucking Marvel character go against a DC character, summing it up like that is so fucking retarded.
Dr Manhattan is literally nothing. He's a blue God with no weakness. He isn't even "real" essentially. Just his Oterman personality that makes him appear so.
>>70689220
>implying he can beat the spectre
>>70692473
>how can a fucking Marvel character go against a DC character,
Because they're still comparable? They make knockoff's of each other all the time. But if you want a DC character, he's a shittier Captain Atom
>>70689244
He didn't hate The Comedian who is basically /pol/ incarnate
>>70692723
>The Comedian
>/pol/
If it would be any character it would be Rorschack dummy.
https://youtu.be/sNXohNU3tWo
One of the very best cape scenes honestly
>>70692790
Rorschach and The Comedian were almost the same except The Comedian dealt with his crushing worldview by laughing about killing gooks and Rorschach just adopted a Judge Dredd personality
>>70692790
>>If it would be any character it would be Rorschack dummy.
Hardly. Only politically incorrect thing Rorschach does is question if people are gay because of how they dress.
Oh and that one time he called Silk Spectre 'Miss Jupiter' instead of her polish name and she got triggered
The Flash can beat him up and every single other hero
>>70689083
Why is thread still here?
>>70691560
Read some fucking comics, retard. No one's impressed by your fucking wiki knowledge.
>>70692928
You say that, but he isn't exactly wrong
>>70689220
>>70691560
>>70691661
>>70692480
these discussions are moot. what makes the heroes loved is the stories, not how powerful they are. its why people love batman and the watchmen, as opposed to talking about superman and hulk all the time
>>70693229
Barman pulls more shit out of his ass than Superman though
Doctor Manhattan is a shit character
>muh determinism
>muh detachment from humanity
>>70691560
Yeah but they arent realistic. Dr Manhattan is based on science.
>>70689220
>Arguably one of the most poweful superheroes ever
He is a bottom-tier matter manipulator
>>70692511
Check pleaSe
>>70693637
His limits are actually never shown.
Does every /pol/ weenie sill think he's Rorschach?
It's been a while.
>>70689290
>All we ever see of stars are their old photographs
FUUUUUUUUUCK Watchmen is so good.
>>70693491
How does that make him a shit character? He's an amazing character. His range of likability and relatability depends entirely on you though.
>>70691591
Have you seen him erect?
>>70689083
Massive hypocrite, but his hypocrisy saves the human race.
>"Miracles. Events with astronomical odds of occurring - like oxygen turning into gold."
>chances of life existing are not miracle standards. i will not save humanity
>oh but there is this one human whose parents had an extremely abusive relationship before she was even conceived that's definitely a miracle because... reasons...
>i'm going to save humanity now because life is truly a miracle because of my last statement
He only decides to save humanity because deep down, he still loves Laurie.
>>70692790
Rorschach is /pol/ in theory, The Comedian is /pol/ in practice
>>70694215
i hope not. (still a cocktail weiner)
>the joke and the thief starts playing
>>70694720
You got me, i'm a little upset.All Along the Watchtower is my favorite song.
hes blueman
>>70693922
Pretty much this. If you're a normie, you wouldn't understand.
>>70694376
You stink and I don't like you.
He cares about life when he discovers Laurie's parentage.
Because he then sees the insurmountable odds behind every unique individual and values it.
For all its problems, I liked Snyder's Watchmen. Do I think that bit by Nite Owl at the end shits on the message? Well kinda, but not completely. It feels more like something the studio forced in because they thought a general audience wouldn't understand the meaning behind Jon simply saying "nothing ever ends". That they wouldn't get that Jon's saying Adrian merely moved the clock, he has prevented nothing and sacrificed so much for it.
>>70689203
Actually it's quite small. Which is on purpose because the greek gods were often portrayed with small penises, because they believed having a giant cock meant you were just a barbarian who had no blood going to the brain and only knew how to fuck.
>>70689220
He's powerful being he's the only being in the setting with superpowers.
>>70694376
The hypocrisy however is important because it shows he's regained his own humanity.
>>70689470
that was a song ahead of its time
>>70693883
go read Alan Moore's run of Swamp Thing if you like stuff like that. It's goddamn excellent.
>>70694376
>loving laurie even after she cheated on him
dr. manhattan confirmed for cuck
>>70695467
He cucked others first, also he's a god he finally relised they'd never work out, he could make himself a new Laurie if he wanted
>>70693229
>The watchmen
Triggered desu
>>70695467
He cheated on 2 people already
>>70695616
In fairness only ONCE in the movie are they referred to as Watchmen, and the way Nite Owl phrases it doesn't make it sound like it's the group's name. They never use Crimebusters though, probably since it sounds a little TOO 60s.
>>70693749
>/pol/
>imagining themselves as Rorschach, not Ozymandias
Yeah no.
Such a great piece of writing, there are near limitless ways to interpret that story and those characters. One of the more interesting ways is as a battle of ethical theories, as represented by the heroes.
Ozymandias is obviously a utilitarian. His plan very simply aims to maximize pleasure. I don't have my book near by but I recall an exchange similar to this.
Night Owl: You've killed millions!
Ozymandias: To save billions.
It doesn't get much more utilitarian than that. This is also one of the things many people think is so repugnant about utilitarian thought, how can you put a price on so many lives? Like all the heroes of this story, Ozy is the best and worst of his ethical theory.
>>70695783
Rorschach can be seen as Ozymandias' foil, a true Kantian. Rorschach lives by a strict code of ethics and strives for a world where others do the same. He's an especially interesting Kantian because the maxims he lives by are so extreme. I haven't actually gone through and figured out his specific set of moral "rules" (although writing this makes me want to) but he clearly doesn't prohibit killing (and maybe encourages it), he cannot lie (which directly leads to his death), and he heavily values innocence (the Kitty Genevieve murder is what makes him become Rorschach and the murder of a child sends him to the extreme side of vigilantism). Alan Moore has mentioned that he wrote Rorschach as everything that is wrong with Ayn Rand's philosophy, and that he was surprised fans loved him. It actually makes sense that American fans would love Rorschach because his obedience to the Categorical Imperative, something that is popular in our culture. We can easily understand how Rorschach's ethics works, and the fact that Rorschach's rules are just a bit "off" is what makes him so interesting.
>>70695551
i constantly forget he cucked janey slater but wait who was the other person he cucked??
>>70695662
still though
>watchmen are over
it still makes one of the primary themes of the comic heavy handed rather than just subtext, although then again most viewers who hadn't read the comic prior probably didn't understand the whole concept of "who watches the watchmen"
although if they'd said crimebusters instead most people watching would be totally confused as to why it was even called watchmen
>>70695819
The Comedian is an ethical egoist. He does what he wants, when he wants, and doesn't give a shit if it hurts anyone. He justifies his actions by arguing that others are really doing the same thing, they just are less honest about it. This is best highlighted when he kills the Vietnamese prostitute he impregnated. When confronted by Dr. Manhattan he turns the tables and explains that Manhattan is just as responsible for what happened (more on why this is in the Dr's interest later). This is why, as he puts it, The Comedian is the American dream. He lives only for himself. The flaw in this is that he is never able to care for anyone (or at least properly act on that care) and that no one exactly cares when he dies. His death is simply a way to move the story forward, compare this to the death of the kid reading the Black Freighter. That kid hardly does anything the entire story, but when he grabs the newsstand clerk just before their demise you know you choked up a bit. That's because he still had his humanity, something The Comedian sacrificed a long time ago.
>>70695857
Finally we have Dr. Manhattan, the hardest to place into an ethical theory because he lacks one. Dr. Manhattan is an ethical nihilist, at least in regard to human events. And really, what else would you expect of a god? He simultaneously experiences every moment of his life at once, he knows what he is going to do as, and before, he does it. The fact that he doesn't solve work hunger and end the Cold War, two things well within his power, are evidence of this. He only acts on human affairs when prompted to by others. He ends the Vietnam War at the request of Nixon and others. He confronts (what ended up being) Ozymandias at the request of Silk Specter. And when he sees Adrian Veidt's plan he gives the line that best describes his ethics:
Without condemning or condoning, I understand.
Throughout the book we see him care for three things, none of which have ethical implications for humans. He loves his first wife, but that falls apart. He loves the Silk Specter, but that too ends. Finally, he leaves Earth to start new life. Whether or not this has interesting ethical implications is a good question in itself. Does this raise Euthyphro's Dilemma? If he creates this new life will he create the ethics of that life as well? And if so, can he follow the same ethics as his creations? Or is Euthyphro not relevant, is creating life an ethical (or unethical) act in itself? Dr. Manhattan's ethics are the hardest to dissect be cause he is so clearly not human.
>>70695888
As I mentioned all these characters can be seen to represent the worst extreme of their ethical theories or the logical conclusion of said theories. But they do so in a way that's not so foreign to the reader that we can't empathize with them. Although I am not a Kantian, Rorschach's way of life makes sense to me, and it makes his death tragic rather than insane. Although I am not a utilitarian, Veidt's motives make sense to me, and he is not a madman but a mathematician. Although I am not a nihilist, I can try to understand why a god might be, and I know he will never know what it feels like to be a bat nor a man.
You probably noticed I haven't mentioned the real protagonist, Night Owl II, or his love interest, Silk Spectre II. That's because as philosophical icons they are much more important: they're human. They are the common folk who represent the reader in this abstract debate of what's right. They don't know what's right because humanity doesn't. Even the better that this ignorance allows, in the end, happiness.
It's how the Jews live. To be so above all other lesser beings, and have them resent you for it. In the end you stop caring about the concerns.
>>70695857
>The flaw in this is that he is never able to care for anyone
With one exception. He cared about his daughter, but like you said, could never express it right.
>>70689220
>shit in the blink of an eye
That is true power
BRAVO MOORE
>>70695926
Great analysis, my friend.
>>70689083
Eddie was wrong.
He hesitated to kill rorscach.
Dr.Manhatten still cared about humans to a degree.
I'm the official Dr. Manhattan expert on /tv/. He's the most powerful mutant that ever lived, he can literally eat planets. Reality "warpers"? Manhattan can destroy their atoms and turn them into planets and then eat them.
>>70695926
>>70696591
Yes, thanks for that breakdown.
Does anyone have suggestions for similar movies/books? Post-apocalyptic, philosophical, etc?
>>70689290
Please post mor.
>>70695888
>He simultaneously experiences every moment of his life at once, he knows what he is going to do as, and before, he does it
So why isn't he completely insane? That'd be maddening
>>70698092
God like power. Also
>My father was a watch maker. He abandoned it when Einstein discovered time is relative. I would only agree that a symbolic clock is as nourishing to the intellect as photograph of oxygen to a drowning man.
>>70698659
What about squares who need a clock to be in time for work?
>>70698799
That's not what the quote means. "Time is relative" means that despite the passage of time technically being absolute, how it is perceived to move depends on the person.
To a person who sees all points of time in their life simultaneously (with the exception of points filled with I think it was ultra-dense neutrons, which fuck with things), time in a sense never passes at all. It's just one unifed point.
>>70689220
>in a blink of the yee
>CHRIST, HE STINKS
What did he MEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAN by this?
Why is he talking about Christ?
>>70699235
Well why do you think people were always volunteering to wash Jesus's feet?
>tfw you will never have a big blue dick
>>70699313
And neither will Manhattan
>>70691591
>>70699356
He's right though. It's intentionally designed to not look big for symbolic reasons, see >>70695157
>hehe it's a joke
>it's all a joke
>mother forgive me
who's mother? I hope he's not talking bad about someone's mother.
Watchmen in injustice2 whennn
>>70699431
DC has the rights to do it, but they never will
>>70699444
They're already putting Watchmen in the new DC canon with Rebirth, I don't see what's stopping them from fucking them up even more.
>>70699444
actually i think its a theory and Dr Manhathan is in DC Rebirth anyways
>>70695072
>Because he then sees the insurmountable odds behind every unique individual and values it.
That's fucking retarded. There are way, way, WAY more odds stacked against life's favor than the odds of a singular life happening alone.
>>70689083
All capeshit is blue pill
>>70699348
He would if he could only care enough about life to get erect.
>>70694376
>He only decides to save humanity because deep down, he still loves Laurie.
Yes...He doesn't care about humanity because, in his own words, there's just as much matter in a corpse as in a living human. Dr. Manhattan saves humanity because of the chances of it producing something as beautiful of Laurie. This is all fine. Humanity on their own are just another thing in the universe. Humanity producing something as beautiful as Laurie? Miracle to him.
>>70695820
>although then again most viewers who hadn't read the comic prior probably didn't understand the whole concept of "who watches the watchmen"I still don't understand the "who watches the watchmen" thing.
>>70699731
It'syou.
>>70699731
It's just a statement on who will keep those who protect us from abusing their power.
>I mean, if you're the police, who will police the police?
>I dunno. Coast Guard?
What I don't understand is why didn't Synder didn't stick with the Alien Squid rather than Dr Manhattan "accidentally" destroying NY
>>70700071
Probably because without the zeitgeist of knowing that Ronald Reagan speech that was still fresh in people's minds when the comic came out, the viewer wouldn't know what Moore was going for.
Obligatory.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w
Still makes me laugh my ass off.
>>70700197
The fact that Alan Moore loves that is hilarious
>>70700207
he does? WHERE?
>>70700298
It was mentioned somewhere. The artist of Watchmen loves it too.
>>70689996
so.... close....
>>70700151
Can you explain?
>>70700207
>>70700354
I'm not surprised. It's an incredibly well-crafted parody that shows a complete understanding of the work, which makes it hilarious. What more could a creator ask of a parody of their work?
>>70700402
Basically Reagan made this dumb speech about us and the east in the 80s, and at one point he said us and our enemies would put aside our differences and fight together as brothers if aliens invaded.
>>70700499
He wasn't wrong, no?
>>70700071
Because they couldn't handle the pure kino of a giant alien squid that can transmit its horrors to psychics because it would be "unrealistic"
>>70689290
>reading comics
end your pathetic existence
