explain
>>70610985
It's called expectations
BvS was shit
>>70610985
Brand power leads to higher expectations.
>BvS
Two of the biggest superhero icons in history
>GOTG
A bunch of literally whos
>>70610985
Expectation vs reality
BvS, if I recall, intended to make 1 billion or more
Everyone thought guardians of the who was going to bomb
Everyone expected batshit and superman to almost do star wars 7 numbers because its the first time for it
>>70610985
You are trying to compare a movie about a bunch of heroes only comic book fans knew about and a movie about fucking Batman fighting Superman.
>>70610985
you see.. both those things are movies, movies cost money to make and then... they MAKE money
pretty cool, huh?
>>70611041
this
as more of a DC fanboy, I am disgusted
Where's my Doom Patrol or JLI movie? DC can't even make their two biggest characters into a giant hit.
>>70610985
DC Executive/Lord Rapeface: This movie has Batman and Superman, it should do THIS MUCH!
Marvel executive: HAIL MARY PASS, MARKET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS, GET ME THAT PRATT FELLA AS A CONTINGENCY, THE LADIES LIKE HIM MAKE SURE HE DROPS THAT GUT
It's so bad that in press screenings for GotG audiences were confused afterwards and were like "Yeah it was ok but where was Iron Man?"
>>70611147
you sound like a total faggot lmao
>>70611121
Fuck. Even many comic fans didn't read them. I only read the Drax mini at the time because I liked author Kieth Giffen.
because the budget for GotG was 170m, not 232.
>>70611147
>>70611228
And the budget for BvS was more than $400m (I know it's retarded. Complain to Warner)
>>70611228
OP confirmed for faggot
>>70610985
Anons have already said expectations vs results, but there was also the fact that BvS dropped massively between weekend openings and kept dropping at big rates.
For a global release it was shit numbers, and at the end of it it continued to be shit in returns.
World wide it never hit a billion. Civil War is still in theaters and it's already above a billion.
Cry more DC fag.
>>70610985
Its not really 232m
>>70611272
It's funny how things like "this went way the fuck over budget" get completely lost in only a couple months.
Hell, waterworld was estimated to have gone about 800m over budget, but all that's remembered is it's initial posted budget.
Nobody knows who the Guardians of the galaxy are. Everyone knows Superman and Batman. Higher expectations.
>>70610985
Notice the subtle use of language. "box office disappointment" versus "commercial success." They're not even judging them by the same metrics.
One can still be disappointed with a success, expecting it to have been even more successful, but that doesn't make it a failure, just a disappointing success, as paradoxical as that might sound.
Expectations be damned. I honestly believe at this point that there is a media bias, be it against a rival franchise, Snyder as a director, or a combination of the two. There wouldn't even need to be any "payola" making the rounds for such a thing to come about.
>>70610985
BvS has the most well known superheroes in it, it was expected to get billions.
GotG was a bunch of nobodies not even some capeshit readers know, it wasn't expected they got that much.
>>70611228
Reading is fundamental dude.
And wth. This is news to me. How the hell does Disney keep that budget a secret.
The price tag of a film does effect the narrative around it critically as the higher the budget, the higher the expectations and harsher the criticism.
I really think BVS got shat on critically because many critics really believed that the film had a production budget of 400 million.
The difference in expectation between 170 and 230 are massive. Much less 400 million.
>>70610985
>Guardians of the galaxy? wtf is that
>Batman vs Superman
Warner wanted Man of Steel to make more money than Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part 2.
Maybe an optimistic expectation, but either way they wanted it to make more than 1 billion.
When that didn't happen, they canned the sequel (and this is confirmed) and decided to put Batman against Superman. They sure as hell hoped THAT would make AT LEAST 1 billion.
>>70611392
Well there's definately a "media bias" against zack snyder, as hes a literal drooling retard with no business directing anything, ever.
>>70611392
Your first statement. Spot on.
It's laughably unprofessional how bias reviewers are.
While BvS and Sony (ASM2 and SPECTRE) get killed for bloated budgets, Disney cranks out a quarter billion dollar B- movie and critics praise it for being quaint and organic.
Ya know cause paying through the nose to get A list stars (Cooper, Diesel) to do voice work and buying the rights to Jackson five songs (and such) isn't indulgent as fuck.
>>70611017
This
You can close this thread now OP.
>>70611463
And you base that assessment off what, exactly? The more I look into this guy, the more I think he's in the business of bucking the system, challenging his viewers, and pissing off fanboys.
>>70610985
Batman v Superman Real Budget:
$450 million
Try again junior
>>70611808
Snyder is so based.
>>70610985
>>70612062
i dont understand what this image is meant to convey
>>70610985
AAA list V D list
>>70612136
I think pic related sums it up pretty nicely.
>>70611808
that's adorable. you have homework to do.
>>70612275
damn dude you really got him
>>70612275
Like some links to the Forbes articles they came from? I got all night. Homework's a distant memory to me. So is college.
>>70611041
>BvS
Three year old sequel to moderately successful move
>GotG
24th installment of a successful movie series
Get fucked Comic Book faggots
>>70612340
explain why ant man didnt make as much then
>>70612275
wow easy there
Aside from Spiderman, Batman and Supernan are two of the biggest comic book heroes and BvS had one of the biggest mareting campaigns. I can guarantee you 95 percent of people never even heard of Starlord vefore the movie
>>70610985
>BvS marketing budget: $250 million
>GotG marketing budget: $120 million
>more of GotG's box office came from NA, where studios receive ~50% of the box office
>more of BvS box office came from China, where studios receive ~25% of the box office
They fucked up GOTG so badly
>>70612360
Because it didnt have the guy from Jurassic Park, a talking racoon and a tree in it.
>>70611808
Any movie that takes the subject of God seriously will be panned by liberal media (news outlets, 75% of RT bloggers)
Snyder BTFO those pussies either way. A man among men, joining the ranks of other based filmmakers like Gibson, Nolan, and Malick in today's overly liberal, pandering entertainment industry.
>>70611347
it's because a lot of the time they didn't actually go over budget by that much, it's so the studio can write off more of the loss as a tax deduction.
>>70611808
This is pretty much why Snyder BTFOs all other capeshit.
>>70612464
tell that to the millions of people who will now rush out to see the sequel.
>>70611808
Thank you based Snyder for btfo of the pathetic nihilists.
>>70612657
I just meant as an adaption
>>70612549
What's funny to me is that he kicked their ass in more ways than one. by proving that for all their intellectual snobbery, they're not even smart enough to understand that a movie filled with references to gods and religious imagery isn't even actually about a god.It's about how humanity tries to make gods at every available opportunity, and perception versus reality,
>>70612360
Bad trailer.
The movie was alright though. It was an awful trailer though
>>70610985
Media bias on election year.
I read an article yesterday by a nu-male bashing Snyder's work where he claimed that only Trump supporters are dumb enough to like his work. Had a hearty chuckle. This guy has an aversion to sex, for some reason. He also has a personal vendetta against Ayn Rand.
>His only successful comic book adaptation was of Frank Miller’s “300,” and its success was entirely predicated on the fact that it contained the same amount of ideological complexity as the average Trump supporter.
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/18/ayn_rands_warped_superheroes_of_course_zack_snyders_vision_of_greatness_owes_everything_to_the_fountainhead/
>>70611808
all i got from this is
>superheroes should be taken seriously
>no really people flying on colorful outfits and shit
>REAL STUFF
>what is fun? baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me, no fun.
>>70613265
He's right
![hqdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uvaUUwz.jpg "hqdefault[1].jpg")
>>70613265
He looks like a bitch.
>>70613265
ayy lmao, talk about plebeians
>He didn't like Watchmen nor MoS
>>70611017
Expectations aren't always met in reality. They still had a movie that technically made a profit. Are hollywood movie studios run by 12 year olds?
>>70610985
Expectations and critical reception. BvS had two of arguably the biggest comic book characters of all time and was projected to be a universe-defining masterpiece that would make a gorillion dollars. GotG had a bunch of relative unknowns, and had almost no expectations at all because everything about it was so off the wall. BvS had a huge opening but the biggest drop-off for a superhero movie of all time and it was almost universally panned. GotG came out of left field, obliterated the box office, and it got glowing reviews.
It's not just about the numbers, it's about the context and the impact.
>>70612447
>pulling numbers out of my gaping anus: the shitpost
>>70613276
That's not the message at all, but I'll never convince you of that, I'm quite sure.
Here's a link if you're at all interested.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2016/04/01/interview-zack-snyder-discusses-themes-behind-batman-v-superman/#72d351214df6
>>70612447
IF they spent that much moneyh on marketing why were the trailers so shit?
>>70611228
It was released later that it cost 230M. Also that they got 36M from the brits, so it was actually around 190M.
Also I don't think Disney spent all that much marketing it. Relatively speaking, of course.
>>70613772
When will it be revealed that BvS cost 500M?
>>70611167
women didn't like gotg because they liked fat pratt more than fit pratt
>>70613822
I'm still waiting to see why it cost 250M. There has to be some serious fucking price-gouging going on with these flicks.
I wonder how much of these budgets end up right back in their pockets. Like buying something from a store your own.
>>70613546
You could try any article or interview you want, but what he said isnt on his movies (maybe watchmen but that didnt need any interpretation), the execution its god awful and need a lot of asspulls to keep going, maybe he has the idea but need a better writer
>>70610985
>>70613583
how does that two even connect?
>spending money = being good
lol
>>70614082
sets cost money. actors cost money. cgi cost money.
that shit had all. cast was huge. look at imdb page for actors.
>>70610985
A film about the most well known superheroes made almost as much as a film about superheroes only hardcore comic fans knew about
how does this not make sense to you bro?
>>70614200
I'm waiting on the director's cut to pass any sort of final judgement in that regard. From all reports, a good amount of the narrative was the victim of the cutting room floor. As you say, as presented, the fans have to do a good deal of heavy lifting to piece it all together, but hopefully, the cut coming in July will fix a lot of the narrative issues as well as some of the film's other problems.
>>70614613
your theatrical relase will always be shit tho
>>70610985
companies are setting more and more unrealistic expectations for themselves.
Its absurd but its something they're doing to themselves which makes it all the more confusing.
>>70611808
comic book heroes are THE TRUE AMERICAN GODS
>>70614685
While I don't agree that it was shit, I think it's kind of funny that the execs hit the panic button and cut it down by a half hour so late in the game.
I wonder if Snyder just let them do it out of anger with them, knowing that ultimately they'd only be hurting themselves.
>>70614769
They're modern mythology at the very least, and like that mythology, they can do a lot more than simply entertain.
>>70610985
business ain't /tv/'s business
>>>/biz/
>>70613470
>Expectations aren't always met in reality. They still had a movie that technically made a profit. Are hollywood movie studios run by 12 year olds?
You're ignorant of reality. The company promised the stockholders a BILLION dollars. Preparations were made in advance of the expected money, projects were greenlit, people were paid. Now they have to cancel things, go back on contracts (which have cancelation clauses that cost money), run damage control. Lots and lots of fucking money in the toilet.
The problem here is you think this shit is only about those numbers you see on boxofficemojo. Guardians was successful because it was humble. They likely even expected it to bomb, and that's what they told the stockholders.
>>70612821
oh shit
FUCKIN
SNYDER
>A Movie about a rag tag bunch of characters no one's ever heard of, including a cartoon tree and raccoon
vs
>A Movie about two of the most famous Cartoon Characters ever, including every memer's favoritest, Batman
>>70610985
One starred a bunch of literally whos, the other starred three of the most well known superheroes of all time. If you don't understand why Batman v Superman's box office returns were disappointing then you're retarded.
>>70613488
> BvS had two of arguably the biggest comic book characters of all time
Superman and Batman are the best selling and most popular of all superheroes. Spider-Man comes in third, though that's irrelevant here.
Seeing that the last two installments of the Nolan Trilogy grossed over a billion each, it seems mainstream audiences didn't connect with Snyder's vision and critics ripped it to shreds. WB was expecting Avengers level money, however, BvS fell quite short of that goal. Meanwhile, GotG were obscure characters and people expected that film to be Marvel's first bomb. And I thought GotG's budget was under $200 million?
>>70610985
>movie uses two of the biggest names in comics
>doesn't break a billion
>>70611123
Hnnnnnnnnnnnng
>>70610985
normies wouldn't even know who the guardians were. everyone knows batman and supes. do the math.
>>70610985
>commercial success
Gotg is pure trash. 70% of this board is retarded
>>70616380
and you are part of that percentage
>>70616380
Hello Zack
>>70614014
DAD BOOOODDDD!!
>>70616450
Hey faggot I dont like any capeshit
Your two party bickering is pathetic. BVS sucks CW sucks they all suck
>>70616789
Whatever faggot
>>70616789
Well, zack, you don't seem to have really liked any movie you've ever made.
>>70612574
waterworld had to rebuild every set multiple times due to weather, had to keep basically every actor on way, way, way over contract due to rebuilding sets and inclement weather conditions, and basically spent years on what was originally scheduled for months.
So, yea, that shit was so far over budget it just wasn't funny.
But time passes and because it didn't have a hashtag, no one remembers, and it looks like "dud waterworld wont dat bad."
>>70612259
For your sake I hope you didn't make that
>>70616841
..........how do you expect to have a conversation like this. Thanks for making the board absolute cancer discussing superhero flicks like a ten year old
Batman vs Superman should've been the highest grossing movie of all time. Like the two of the most recognizable superheroes going at it and a movie most people only dreamed of happening for the longest time. I've only watched a few capeshit so far and have never touched a comic ever, but I was damn excited when it was announced.
>>70614613
when has a snyder DC ever salvaged a movie?
>>70611041
>GOTG
>A bunch of literally whos
No one would have seen it if it wasn't heavily advertised as the latest instalment in the MCU
>>70617035
its funny how "hey, MCU" is enough to put asses in seats.
>>70616446
Says the absolute piece of shit who thinks gotg is decent letalone good
>>70617080
You're allowed to like things people you don't like liked. It doesn't mean you have to like them.
>>70617075
Its funny? Not its pretty sad.
>>70610985
>DC's most iconic characters make roughly the same amount of money than: a raccoon, an ent, a green woman and a faggot in space no one's ever heard from.
That's what went wrong. On paper fucking Batman VS Superman sounds like a billion-dollar idea. And it should be. But they didn't even break that number.
>>70617110
>its sad that "MCU" has brand recognition for consistent quality
yea, so sad.
>>70611123
jesu almighty
>>70617139
On paper batman vs superman sounds like as ten second long movie or three hours of batman jumping up and down trying to get superman's attention, and superman not giving a fuck.
>>70616975
................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................ if you're going to mindlessly shitpost, why do you expect people to engage you seriously?
>>70617156
Lol are you a child? They haven't made one good film. Once again kys
>>70617238
Go watch your superhero shit and leave the board in peace
GOTG:
>Budget $232.3 million ($195.9 million after tax credit)[2]
>domestic box office: $333.2 million
>international box office: estimated $441 million
Batman V Superman:
>Budget: $250 million
>domestic: $329 million (so far)
>international: $542 million (so far)
>>70611392
You seriously think grown people "the media" are playing "muh childrenz funny books are better than yours!" console war shit?
>>70616789
>>70616975
>>70617332
>it's a """"""""""contrarian"""""""""" claiming all capeshit is cancer episode
>>70611457
But they kept the same retarded kinomaker as director? Why?
>>70617406
Bottom of the barrel
>>70613304
Hi Scott
>>70611457
>hey, lets make a billion dollars here
>find me a retarded piece of shit who's best work is music videos
>>70610985
GOTG was based on capeshit not even comicfags had read. BvS was based on capeshit even your grandma knows about. GOTG is Marvel's 74th-tier property. BvS is DC's #1 property. Is it that hard to figure out????
>>70611863
More 16 trillion DCcück
>>70617251
It doesn't matter who likes it or not, its consistent. You think its consistent shit, others think it's consistent "fun." The latter pay for it, consistently.
>>70611167
Whoa, he's lookin' a little aidsey there, is everything OK?
>>70613470
Yes, and when things don't live up to expectations it's called a disappointment.
>>70611041
/thread
>>70617473
They're bottom of the barrel because those """"""""""contrarians"""""""""" are too beta for Reddit or Tumblr
>>70610985
One is a talking tree, a rock man, a sarcastic racoon, a green mulatto and a quip man fighting a bad guy no one has ever heard of. In fact normies had never heard of anyone or anything in this movie.
The other is the two biggest most iconic superheros in the history of the world, teaming up with the most iconic female superhero ever, to fight Lex Luthor and Doomsday.
The second one should have made ten times the money and been ten times as popular.
>>70611272
source or bullshit
>>70617473
>>70616959
No, I did not.
>>70617024
Every single time.
>>70617385
No, I think they're playing a "Hey! This director's films contain hints of messages that run counter to our "progressive" narrative" shit coupled with, "Eh, it's capeshit. Been watching it for years. I can just turn my brain off, go autopilot and be entertained. All the characters will either monologue their own motivations or have them mouthpieced by some other character and the villain's motivations and "scheme" will be transparently obvious"
That's what I think.
>>70610985
GOTG didn't have a 400 million budget, nor they expected it to make Avengers-tier money.
>>70612491
>it didnt have the guy from Jurassic Park
neither did guardians, jurrasic world didn't exist yet :^)
>>70613470
>Expectations aren't always met in reality
Yes, and this is what leads to things like "disappointment".
Jesus fucking Christ.
DC is the Trump of capeshit.
Slandered by the media from all sides despite being the better choice.
>>70617251
You're in the minority here.
>>70617359
So far? OMG. LOL.
One has the two of the biggest names in comic books. The other is a bunch of literal whos.
>>70611123
would/10
>GotG
>capeshit
It's less capeshit than fucking Star Wars.
>>70610985
Advertising. Also rumors are that BvS cost way more than 250M.
>>70621697
Except DC doesn't have a hope in fucking hell of winning.
>>70614460
>lower than x-men
>>70614460
I want so hard for Dr. Strange to flop. 2016 could be the year that capeshit was delt its first real blow.
>>70610985
>GotG
Before release: Moderately hyped. A figurative gamble for Marvel. A generally unknown, untested IP not immediately connected to the MCU in much of a recognizable way by casuals.
Corporate Expectations: Don't suck, Don't flop. Pull at least 500 - 600 mil worldwide.
Result: Critical success, 773 million worldwide. Made revenue and proved that lesser known properties can still be successful.
>BvS
Before release: Highly hyped. A big budget tentpole blockbuster meant to kickstart a multi film franchise starring arguably the three most historically well known comic book characters of all time.
Corporate expectation: Critical Success, 1 bil+
Result: Critical flop, Financial underperformance at 871 million, left multi-film franchise on shaky ground leaving the next film to carry the weight of expectation.
>>70610985
too bad BvS needs 10 billion to break even
>>70610985
Warner Bros. only had one successful breakout film last year and it was San Andreas.
This year, they have nothing but CIA and Suicide Squad left in their line up.
BvS was suppose to be the colossal tank to break records and have strong legs.
It tripped.
>>70610985
>>70625297
>Cap overtook BvS' 7 week gross in 3 weeks
>Cap and Zootopia hit the billion dollar club
>Jungle Book overtook Dawn
How mad are the WB execs right now?
>>70610985
See this thread
>>70624075
Quips are their own form of currency for movies today, and GOTG was brimming with quips while BvS sorely lacked them.
Thus GOTG was more successful, because tehy're talking about QUIPS, not DOLLARS
>>70610985
The top one is referring to how the movie was a pile of shit in terms of script, editing and acting.
The bottom one doesn't refer to the fact GoG was average as fuck, just that it made shit loads of money.
GOTG was expected to bomb, and was supposed to be some one off movie
BvS was supposed to be huge to set up the DC movie universe
>>70610985
Transformers makes a lot of money, but they are honestly shit through and through and are marketed to the lowest common denominator, which surprise, outnumber people with taste.
>>70621697
Year. A better choice for people who have brain cancer
