If Joffrey was still alive none of this Faith Militant cuckoldry would've happened.
>>70575075
true
>>70575075
His brother has no balls but him and his mother created the situation for those fanatics to prosper.
If Joffrey was still alive there will be probably a riot in the streets, so not so different
>>70575075
He's part of the reason it happened - he helped turn the common filth away from the royal family and towards the Sparrow
>>70575075
That is correct.
Joffrey was genuinely based.
>>70575075
True
There was a scene in S5 where Tommen stormed up to the sept and asked the High Sparrow to release Margery and Cersei and he bitched out, I was so fucking gutted it wasn't Joffery because he would have had them all fucking killed painfully and it would have made an amazing scene.
Tommen is a little sissy.
How can someone be so weak while he grew up with rich and ambitious people ?
>>70575752
You forget that Joffrey was a coward like Tommen, just a different kind. Sensing that he would probably get rekt there on the stairs since there were tons of militants he would chicken out too.
>>70575798
Younger siblings are always cucks
>>70575798
Sheltered little shits werent raised to play the game.
Thats why salsa and arya had to learn the hard way in the first time.
Wrong, he would have ended up screwing things up more
This based Sir on the other hand would have wiped them out before there was any trouble
Joffrey/Cersei is the US and the Faith Militant is ISIS.
>>70575834
Yes, but he would then have brought enough Lannister-goons into the city to drown not-ISIS in corpses.
>>70575891
/thread
>>70575798
He was never groomed to be anything, he would probably end up being married to Shireen (Marriages between cousins are allowed remember ) and live out his life away from the capital and all the schemers
If if wasn't for the fact that we like the Starks and they were the main characters, Joffrey would have been the best character to root for. He was a bit of a spoiled brat shithead but he knew how best to rule. You don't let people fuck with you EVER. You're supposed to be supreme ruler of a giant continent.
>>70575891
The mutual hatred with Tyrion was really a waste for the whole clan. They were the 2 best rulers so far.
>>70576125
This. Tywin only mistake was to hate is most brilliant wife's son
>>70576125
That fat Lannister bitch told him that he was the son that most resembled him and he didn't talk to her in a year or so.
Top cuck.
This whole Faith Militiant issue is such a fuckin bullshit anyway, if this show is half as realisitic as it likes to pretend it is, all those dirty beggars with clubs would be stomped to death by professional soldiers.
>>70575075
Joffrey died for our sins.
>>70576308
They always had hostages so your point is invalid
>>70575891
Such a player, and yet he harboured such ill will against Tyrion.
He must have truly loved his wife.
>>70576308
Are you fucking retarded?
The reason they don't bash their fucking faces in is because they have the queen and his brother and the people is on their side.
There are half a million citizens in KL alone, if a revolution were to begin the royalty would get btfo since both Lannister and Tyrell armies aren't there.
>>70575075
Joffery killed Ros, and after that he became unredeemable.
>>70575075
Yeah and if his father Robert was alive, the war would have never happened and everyone would be ready for the WW
do you think Cersei will find out that Olenna poisoned Joffrey, which is why she goes berserk and kills them all?
>>70575075
Joffrey = Saddam
Martells = USA
Sparrows = ISIS
>>70576475
what in the actual fuck are you trying to say
>>70576475
Joffrey = Drumpf
Cersei = Shillary
High Sparrow = Bernie
>>70576427
>Yeah and if his father Robert was alive.
>his father Robert
Is it just me or is the show getting real thin on good characters. And with the queen of thorns gone that may be the last good character in king's landing gone.
>>70576386
>The reason they don't bash their fucking faces in is because they have the queen and his brother and the people is on their side
They had a chance to fuck them up before that shit. But it's not even that, they are dozen of scenes where experienced soldiers (even Jaime) are intimidated by a bunch of bums with wooden sticks.
>There are half a million citizens in KL alone, if a revolution were to begin the royalty would get btfo since both Lannister and Tyrell armies aren't there
Ordinary citizens in a feudal system like the one in GoT would never revolt directly against the crown. They could offer some support to those fanatics but as soon as they would get crushed all those peasants would just go back to their own lives. Like I said this whole High Sparrow arc is stupid, has very shitty foundations and only makes sense because of the plot armor.
>>70576411
Such a waste.
>>70576559
>buying into traitor propaganda
>>70576520
Iraq was stable under a powerful leader, the US blew all that up, now an army of zealots occupies two countries. Obviously, killing the """villain""" was a mistake.
>>70576652
But the Martells didnt kill Joffrey or invade King's Landing you idiot
>>70576602
>this shit again
Hostages anon, very valuable hostages.
>>70576652
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
>>70576652
if arabs are too barbaric to stop killing each other it's their own problem
>>70576602
>they are dozen of scenes where experienced soldiers (even Jaime) are intimidated by a bunch of bums with wooden sticks.
Because Jaime was alone, surrounded by 7 of them and if you haven't noticed, he's missing one hand.
>Ordinary citizens in a feudal system like the one in GoT would never revolt directly against the crown.
Yeah because in the history of mankind the people has never rebelled against the crown, never.
In an after-war period where everyone is hungry and winter is coming, they have enough reasons to not give a shit about anything and try to hang those bastards.
>>70575075
If Joffery pardoned Ned Stark none of this would be happening
>>70576602
Cersey wanted Margrey and Sir Buttsex to get locked up, it was after that shit got out of her hands
>>70576696
Tyrells. Fuck.
>>70576652
Yeah because other arab dictators like Assad and Mubarak did so well by themselves.
>>70576777
If Joffrey pardoned Ned and sent him to the wall Robb might have allied up with Stannis on Neds advice.
>>70576744
>Yeah because in the history of mankind the people has never rebelled against the crown, never
They never did actually, not unless they were guided by outside influences. Every peasant uprising that lasted more than six hours was inspired by nobility that used the poor for their own goals. As soon as the leaders were defeated the whole rebellions collapsed. The famous french revolution had probably five different cases of that. Peasants are just not equipped psychologicaly or spiritualy to rebel. That's why the whole premise of High Sparrow being popular among citizens fails.
> they have enough reasons to not give a shit about anything
Actually since the winter is coming they have all the more reason to trust a king who will take care of them. If you are starving bum, would you choose anarchy, or stability brought by the rule of king? It makes little sense that they would put their faith in some lunatic talking about gods when their lifes are in danger.
>>70576444
how does olenna have the stones to look cersei in the eye and call her a terrible person when she murdered her fucking son??
>>70576986
>They never did actually, not unless they were guided by outside influences.
You mean like a religious organization that gives them more food and care than the crown ever did?
>Actually since the winter is coming they have all the more reason to trust a king who will take care of them.
They won't think rationally, the king is a royal pussy that never did anything for them, the king before him was a known sadistic dick, and the king before him was a drunken cuck, and while they're starving they're feasting.
>>70575923
Joff/Cersei = Hillary Clinton
Faith Militant = Ted Cruz
Dany = Bernie Sanders
Mad King = Trump (protip: he did nothing wrong)
>>70575834
>Joffrey
>aware when he is in subtle life threatening situation(And attack on bay of King's Landing was too obvious ever for him)
>ywn never see Joffrey torturing some other prostitutes
muh dick ;_;7
Joffrey was pretty handsome desu.
Top 3 twinks of the show with Bran and Jojen.
>>70575075
Joffrey and Cersei brought an end to Lannister house by foolishly executing Ned after he bent the knee, accusing Tyrion for murder he didn't commit, which in turn ended with Tywin dead, Oberyn died because of it too, Cersei then arranged this Faith bullshit to imprison her only ALLIES, her daughter was killed and after all, Tyrells remained their only allies but she still sees them as enemies.
Cersei is the dumbest cunt in this show, absolutely irredeemably poor tactics which at the end of this seasons peaks with her killing off all remaining Tyrells, leaving Lannisters alone in the middle of wars between Dany/Dorne/Ironborn and North/Riverlands/Vale.
>>70577157
>You mean like a religious organization that gives them more food and care than the crown ever did?
Yes, exactly. All it takes is to storm their headquaters and slaughter every one of the stick wielding bums and they are done. The fact that everyone is fucking around because they have "influence" is dumb, since their influece rests on a bunch of peasants who since the day they were born were ruled by royalty.
>They won't think rationally
Why not? I'd say a man who's poor and facing hunger would probably think if not rationally, then at least practically. Sure, he might buy into the whole 'no masters, just gods' thing but as soon as the High Cuckold lies there bleeding he wouildn't give to shit about the faith anymore. Besides, the rulers might be assholes but they still have some authority. Let's not forget that this is still a feudal system.
>>70575891
This scene tells you all you need to know about Tywin and how he dealt with his oponents.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47MazYDnmaU
>>70577535
give a shit*
>>70577535
>All it takes is to storm their headquaters and slaughter every one of the stick wielding bums and they are done.
Yeah and then you lose the Tyrell's favour because Margaery and Loras get butchered in the process
>inb4 they should've done so sooner
No they couldn't, because when they rose to power Cersei was in charge and Cersei was fucking retarded, from the moment someone remotely competent was here it was already too late.
>Why not? I'd say a man who's poor and facing hunger would probably think if not rationally, then at least practically.
Then you haven't seen the show, because they already almost murdered Joffrey and raped and killed Sansa once in a riot.
The only reason they don't openly revolt nowadays is because the Tyrell are allied to the Crown and the Tyrell are notoriously popular with the poorfolk, good luck to get them to support you when you murder the heirs of their family by being a retard.
>>70575834
Wasn't it stated in the books that he was as fearless as robert?
>>70577879
Lmao he wasn't even his son.
>>70577688
>Yeah and then you lose the Tyrell's favour because Margaery and Loras get butchered in the process
Right now they hardly have the favour anyway, and aside from that they also have no control over their city. Plus the priest is dealing all the cards and even has enough power to send Jaime away. Who the fuck knows what will he decide next, since his goals are a mystery. An experienced politician like Cersei would at least consider other options instead of dancing on High Sparrow's leash.
> they already almost murdered Joffrey and raped and killed Sansa once in a riot
That's another point I don't get. Aren't the Lannisters supposed to be rich and powerful? Why won't they just use the army to put down every mutt that's barking too loud? It seems like they are getting weak whenever it's convenient.
>>70578143
>Right now they hardly have the favour anyway
Margaery is still the Queen and married to Tommen, even if they hate each other they have their support because as of right now their interests are the interests of the Crown.
The priest doesn't have power to send Jaime away, that was Tommen being a brainwashed cuck.
>Aren't the Lannisters supposed to be rich and powerful?
Not in the show.
In the show the mines of Casterly Rock have dried since three years ago and they have a massive debt to the Iron Bank, and their army is diminished because of the war.
They mentioned this and then immediately forgot about it but there it is.
And now their army is in the Riverlands with Jaime, far away from KL.
>>70578286
>right now their interests are the interests of the Crown
Yes, but it's a recent development right? The Tyrells and Lannisters have been ratfucking eachother before that if I remmeber correctly. The fanatics executing Margery and Loras could be a good thing for Cersei because she could strike a blow to Tyrells by eliminating their heirs, murder the Sparrow, take back the city and cement the Lannisters power by showing every unruly peasants what will happen to them.
>The priest doesn't have power to send Jaime away, that was Tommen being a brainwashed cuck.
It's the same thing.
>In the show the mines of Casterly Rock have dried since three years ago and they have a massive debt to the Iron Ban
Well, a fair point, I forgot a lot of that shit from previous seasons.
>>70576308
You dont just kill a seemingly benevolent leader that has a large fanatic backing of the common people. If they killed him it would lead to some real insurgency, guerrilla tactics style fighting from their side. He's spent his time more face to face with the peasants and holds their trust; people are tattooing and lashing themselves over his teachings.
King's Landing would have weekly riots but yes, there'd be none of this isis faggotry
>>70576997
he was a terrible person though
If Tywin was still alive none of this would have happened.
He would have told Cercei to shut up and not let her arm the faith militia, he would have hung out with Olenna, discussing old people things and thus improving the relationship of the two houses and he would have shaped Tommen into a wise ruler in time.
>>70576427
Robert Baratheon plunged the whole kingdom into dept
>>70575075
No instead you'd have all the nobility in Kings Landing slaughtered by a massive uprising of the dissatisfied peasants as winter caused starvation, and Joffrey is the perfect evil mad king to blame it all on. Then the faith militant would take over in the chaos
>>70577606
Honestly, I always felt like Dance was enjoying himself a little too much in the later seasons. If he'd stayed like this - a cold, uncaring asshole - then his character would not only have been more faithful to the books, but would have been indisputably the best on the show.
He smiles too much in 3 and 4.
>>70577532
>Cersei is the dumbest cunt in this show, absolutely irredeemably poor tactics which at the end of this seasons peaks with her killing off all remaining Tyrells, leaving Lannisters alone in the middle of wars between Dany/Dorne/Ironborn and North/Riverlands/Vale.
That pretty much makes her the only character D&D did any justice ever since their story takeover. I love the whole theme of a once great house falling into ruin due to awful choices and watching the remaining members struggle to keep the house from completely crumbling is awe inspiring to me. Hopefully the story gets a good payoff cause the build up is there. They either all fall down, fighting to the end, or D&D butcher the only thing they did well so far, make their characters do dumb shit that gets them killed.
>>70575592
Yeah, but he'd make sure a few of them got killed
>>70576602
>Why didn't the emperors of the HRE just storm Rome and remove the Pope if he was just going to interfere with them all the time.
>>70576986
>They never did actually, not unless they were guided by outside influences. Every peasant uprising that lasted more than six hours was inspired by nobility that used the poor for their own goals.
Look up the Hussite wars some time. Bohemia (Czech Republic Today) burned for 15 years in a series of wars because of a massive split in the population over the ideals of Jan Hus. It dragged in the rest of the HRE, Poland, And Lithuania. It was considered a prelude to the Protestant reformation and religious wars of central Europe.
Then there is the German Peasants war which lasted a year and ended with a quarter million people dead, as a result of religious upheaval during the Protestant movement.
Oh and then there is the Flanders Peasant revolt from 1323-1328 due to the dissatisfaction of people living in Flanders and the pro French policies governing them.
And many more. Yeah the nobility in alot of these cases eventually put down the revolt, but the damage a revolt like this could have in a country that already went through a civil war can break a country.
>>70578955
If Tywin didn't fuck his sons whore (Shea is still at fault too) or didn't eat that Dornish style dinner he might have been fine.
>>70576308
>if this show is half as realisitic as it likes to pretend it is
Magic and dragons, shut the fuck up.
>>70579387
>a result of religious upheaval during the Protestant movement.
Lutherism was just the ideological excuse the peasants latched onto for their revolt. It was the typical peasants not wanting to be peasants anymore and taxation shit that really drove the revolt.
>>70576362
Hostages are considered dead already
>>70576386
>muh popular revolution
Not only you know nothing about medieval history, you don`t know enything or modern politics either, what do you think happens in Best Korea, Cuba o Venezuela?
god i love hypotheticals :)
>>70579498
>m-muh real world politics in a world of magic and dragons
>>70579498
>Hostages are considered dead already
Not when they're royalty you twat.
>>70576602
>Ordinary citizens in a feudal system like the one in GoT would never revolt directly against the crown
What is the Peasants' Revolt? What is Cade's Rebellion? What is the Jacquerie? What is the Pilgrimage of Grace?
Pick up a history book sometime retard
>>70576602
>Ordinary citizens in a feudal system like the one in GoT would never revolt directly against the crown
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_peasant_revolts
>>70577475
They might bring him back if one of the extras is dumb enough to demand privileges.
>>70579845
>all that Suppression of the rebellion
Holy shit peasants were really shit at this.
>>70579845
>peasants getting btfo 9 out of 10 times
Fucking plebs I swear.
>>70579845
Wat Tyler's will always be the most pitiful attempt
>>70579648
They are not present and the backstabbing in court already started to see who will seat in the throne you twat, that's what happens in real life.
Why do you think in the middle ages, when the King was returning to his lands, he would bring all his army, after leaving his friendly cousin as regent? Because he wanted to parade them? What do you thing would happen if they were returning alone?
>>70579753
>What is the Peasants' Revolt? What is Cade's Rebellion? What is the Jacquerie? What is the Pilgrimage of Grace?
And they all died you dumbass, which is what happens in real life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peasants'_Revolt#Aftermath
>>70580326
>they would never revolt against the crown
>but they did
>but that doesn't count because they died
Nice backpedaling retard.
Joffrey is the best man to have actualy sat on the Iron Throne throughout the series. Prove me wrong.you can't
>>70580326
The kings beloved wife being one of the hostages + the king is in charge of what to do about the situation = not murdering everything at once
This is not rocket science kiddo.
You do know ransoming hostages and shit was a thing back in the days right? People repeatedly paying to have hostages released might indicate that they did not by default consider them dead.
>>70575798
>tfw we never got to see Tommen playing with kittens like he used to all the time in the books even as a king
>>70578578
>g Margery and Loras could be a good thing for Cersei because she could strike a blow to Tyrells
Are you stupid, the tyrells have the largest force in westros right and have the most experienced leader in Sams dad.
>>70576308
No dickhead, you sponsor another asshole to be the pope and poison the one that's not letting you do shit you want, then you put his corpse on trial. There are rules
>>70580489
Proof by contradiction: assume Joff was the best. His failures led to his short life and an inferior ruler (tommen). Therefore, tommen is the best.
>>70578962
Which department did Robert plunge the whole kingdom into? Human resources?
>>70576015
>>70575075
I miss him
>>70575075
oh gosh he was soo gorgeous and hot
why he have to be kill ;_;
>>70575546
I predict that Jaime is going to slaughter every one of them in the next couple episodes.
Entirely not something that book Jaime would do but then we heard his episode 8 preview speech about wanting to kill every Tully to get back to Cersei so eh...
joffrey would still be alive if olenna tyrell didn't murder him, she's going to die and cersei will find out
>>70578962
Littlefinger put the kingdom in debt on purpose and enriched himself.
I like the moral dilemma Jamie is about to find himself in between the Blackfish and Brienne.
Should be good.
Also,Arya - she gon' die. She gon' die and go to hayall
>>70576181
>Tywin only mistake was to hate is most brilliant wife's son
>>70586776
Don't spoilers say the mountain kills them?
Although IIRC those spoilers aren't from the same source as the verified one.
>>70576308
They also have mercenaries and some professional soldiers. I mean former men of violence who have taken up a new path.
