Why hasn't there been a good WW1/WW2 era naval warfare movie?
>>70541052
What is Midway?
What is Das Boot?
>>70541343
/thread
WW2 is for sperglords it's not normie shit anymore
>>70541052
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Das Boot
Run Silent Run Deep
Midway
Sink the Bismarck
Can't do anything about WWI, because Jutland happened at night and there wasn't any repercussions of it.
Kind of hard to make a story out of naval warfare. Ether the ships sinks and 99% of the crew dies, or the ship is mostly fine and 95% of them make it.
No civilians around boats, so no women. Also no evil Nazis killing jews on the high seas.
Unless you're doing planes, most of the combat is just firing guns from long range.
Maybe if we get some good cheap CGI they can start making some more.
>>70541343
>>70541376
He said GOOD movies.
As in made after 1990 at least.
Your granddaddy shit is obsolete.
>>70541467(you)
>>70541421
I bet you've seen exactly zero of those movies. The effects really don't hold up anymore.
>>70541467
Ok Mr. Bay, Pearl Harbor
>>70541511
Seen all of them. There's limited visuals, but I like the setting.
>>70541516
As shit as Pearl Harbor was, the Pearl Harbor Attack and Doolittle Raid were pretty nice.
>>70541052
I thought the uboat movie was pretty good
>>70541052
because everyone hates Japan
a tv show centered on the Japanese navy's planning and operations for the war would be unbelievable
its what the pacific should have been
>>70541582
And had exactly fuck all to do with battleship warfare.
>>70541467
Wowsers. I upvoted you. Enjoy your Reddit Gold you magnificient bastard! ^_^
>>70541696
>what is Bismarck
>>70542457
>Thinking battleship warfare is the only kind of naval warfare.
Battleships were obsolete in WW2 anon. Carriers were the queen of the seas by then.
>>70542581
>being this triggered
>>70541511
The effects in most of those are stock footage from world war 2 battles.
>>70542599
>obsolete
You use that word, but I don't think you know what it means.
>>70543396
They had their uses, but they served as nothing more than either anti-aircraft platforms for carriers or shore bombardment.
The heavy lifting of naval warfare in WW2 came down to the carriers.
>>70543396
There was only one incident in all of WWII where one battleship sank another battleship, and it occurred at night.
The vast majority of ships sunk in WWII were either by bombs or torpedos, not big guns.
>>70541511
If you're still at an age where you really care about special effects, then just rewatch Battleship.
>>70543559
>Hood
>Bismark
>Scharnhorst
>Kirishima
>Yamashiro
>Fusōinb4 X ship is really a battlecruiser
inb4 muh torpedoes were involved in the sinking
inb4 muh scuttling
>>70543559
>they're of zero strategic importance unless they directly kill people or blow something up
Spies were also obsolete during WWII.
Fury is pretty good
>>70543878
In the case of naval warfare, yes they are useless if they don't manage to kill anything. That's the point of warships.
Battleships were just money sinks at that point. For example, Japan spent so much money and resources on their super battleships. And guess what? Musashi and Yamato got sunk by carrier air assaults before they could even get close to the enemy fleets.
>>70543925
No it's not. And it's historically inaccurate as fuck.
>>70542722
Dubs confirm.
Also that helicopter crane shot in the longest day is an amazing shot that just keeps going and going as it pulls back.
>>70544113
>And guess what? Musashi and Yamato got sunk by carrier air assaults before they could even get close to the enemy fleets.
Gee, Its almost like the allied fleet knew exactly where they were going to be...
>>70544297
Because of?
You guessed it, aircraft patrols from carriers!
>>70544297
Which is something easy to do when you've got airplanes that can scout for you.
>>70543878
>Spies were also obsolete during WWII.
Because we cracked magic and ultra. WWII established the importance of intelligence warfare.
>>70543878
im actually pretty close to an expert on the pacific war
battleships did nothing, the japanese split their fleet into disparate carrier and battleship groups which functioned thousands of miles apart: the carriers ended up fighting (and getting destroyed at midway and coral sea) by the american carriers, the battleships sailed around wasting fuel and having their orders counter-manded
if they had used their battleships as screens for their carriers they might have been useful, but the battleship captains were too proud for that and still thought they were japan's principal naval strength
as the war was fought neither side deployed battleships effectively, americans bombarded some islands and ran escorts, japanese killed some aircraft and got sunk
>>70544365
Wrong. We cracked enigma. The unbreakable code the axis was using to communicate. We knew where the japanese fleet was most of the time.
It was so god damned effective we had to actively take casualties in the naval war and arrange chance encounters just to avoid tipping their hand that we could read them like an open book.
>>70544113
>You will never see newsreel footage of the mighty Yamato Battleship making it across the entire ocean, steaming into New York harbor and laying waste to NYC with her 18 inch guns
Too bad we didn't get to see any of the Battleships do any serious damage to enemy fleets/cities eh
>>70544558
Enigma was a German code system.
The US did break Japanese naval codes, but that does mean it knew where the Japanese fleet was. Even when it had advance warning (of which Midway is a much better example than Leyte, where US codebreaking did not give very clear indications of Japanese intentions) you still had to conduct extensive searches.
>>70544586
>making it across the entire ocean, steaming into New York harbor
What ocean do you think is between new york and japan?
>>70544558
I can't tell if this is bait or not. The Japanese didn't even use the enigma code. The Yamato and Musashi encounters were all started by aircraft patrols.
>>70544558
Anon, after we cracked Japanese codes at Midway, they just changed to codes.
Even then it took spotter aircraft to actually find the fleet.
The only thing the codes had said was that the fleet was heading for an attack on Midway. It's not like they had GPS.
>>70541052
Das Boot.
There will never be a better naval warfare film than the Director's Cut.
It's a long way to Tipperary you fucking cunt.
>>70541421
>No civilians around boats, so no women. Also no evil Nazis killing jews on the high seas.
>He hasn't seen Morituri
>>70544666
Enigma was the machine. The nips used it as well. The intel from the two was called magic and ultra.
Seriously the intelligence game in wwii is where its at.
>>70544831
intel doesnt really do much in ww2 desu, its importance is massively overstated
There were uses for battleships in WWII.
It's true their intended role according to doctrine before the role was out the window. But to call them obsolete is overselling it.
In fact, by 1944 it was Japanese aircraft carriers that were obsolete, and they depended on battleships instead. Arnold was heavily criticized at Leyte for going after the Japanese carrier force instead of their battleship force.
>>70544891
False. Intelligence was vital. Ended the war in the Pacific a year or two earlier than it would have been without it. It probably wouldn't have affected the eventual victors, no, but it was still vital.
>>70544831
Let me guess. You're a fucking retard who read the wikipedia page on enigma and saw "HUR THE JAPANESE HAD SOME" without doing 5 seconds of research they were used in small amounts that did nothing practical except communicate with the Germans and had fucking nothing to do with Japanese naval communications at Midway or Leyte.
FUCK OFF
>>70544893
the problem is that battleships cant close on carriers, for decades battleships had been trying to get bigger and put on bigger guns to out-range each-other, carriers render that completely moot
the only practical use i can think for them in a naval battle is to load them with AA guns and screen carriers, which would make the enemy pilots jobs more difficult
>>70544939
how? by giving the american's the confidence to seek a decisive battle?
they could narrow down the japanese fleet positions by a few 1000km, sort of helpful, but not decisive, a big carrier versus carrier fight was coming regardless of intel, and both sides still had to scout each other and were running scout planes constantly
it was luck that the americans found the japanese first, both sides were just poking around in the dark
>>70541052
Watch this, is a movie about the Russian-Japanese Conflict of 1905, breddy gud movie.
>>70544893
The Japanese aircraft carriers were obsolete because all of their planes and pilots got shot down. That also doesn't detract from the fact their battleship force was still useless as well.
Also it was Halsey that went for the carrier force. And even when the center force slinked past Halsey, Yamato and her task force was BTFO by destroyers and escort carriers because Kurita was fucking scared of all of the aircraft.
>>70541052
The Enemy Below
Operation Petticoat
>>70544831
>the nips used the enigma as well
They had their own machines, different than enigma. Except they only had a few of them, and only used them for some of their encrypted messages. The vast majority of messages were encrypted more conventionally, and were much easier to break.
Magic and Ultra were the names of the American and Brit code breaking attempts, respectively.
>>70545122
They were obsolete because they were SHIT.
>tfw your brand new 37K ton carrier blows up after ONE torpedo hit because its damage control systems and crews are garbage even though they're in the 3rd year of the biggest naval war ever
>>70541511
>Tora! Tora! Tora!
>Effects don't hold up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS_da33g5ac
The attack scene had actual planes and actual explosions. Some of the stunt people and extras almost died filming it because one of the p-40's broke the wrong way and went crashing across the runway. The crazy bastards making the movie then kept it in because it looked good.
>>70545104
Intelligence gave us the victory at Midway. Obviously combat forces won the day, but it was still intelligence that led us there.
Without the victory at Midway, there never would have been a Guadalcanal. Japanese would have consolidated their strength in the South Pacific. Australia would be cut off. Island hoping would take much, much longer. Thus it would have taken much longer to get airbases required for bombing of the home islands.
>>70544685
I know they'd have to make it through the panama canal or something, but idgaf
NY harbor is a lot cooler than San Francisco or LA
>>70545283
>through the panama canal or something
Please never, ever fucking post again.
>>70545247
lot of words to say nothing
both sides knew/suspected that an enemy fleet was around midway, both were exhaustively looking for one another, the americans just happened to get eyes first
>>70545185
>best carrier/aircraft force in the world
>leave fuel lines and exposed ammunition on deck despite knowing that enemies are inbound
might actually be the worst mistake in naval history, at least the spanish armada can blame the weather
>>70541052
There aren't enough WW1 movies, probably because its not about antisemitism or slavery. The Ottomans did do a number on the Armenians and Assyrians, though.
See this is why none of you have girlfriends discussing this inconsequential stuff
>>70545506
>both sides knew the enemy fleet was around midway
No. This is what Magic decoded. The Japanese fleet could have been anywhere from Alaska to Chile. Nimitz had no idea. It was Magic that told him they were attacking Midway, and that's exactly why he concentrated all his ships in the area.
>>70545370
Fuckup and make me you autistic faggot
>>70541511
>Actual war footage of exploding shells and people actually dying doesn't hold up to modern special effects
>>70541467
You mean, yet.
WW1 naval battles were very anti-climatic. These two giant fleets collide only for not much of anything to happen
>>70546508
>>70546508
was watching this with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJakL9pO084
playing in the background and the shells synced up perfectly with the beat, was bretty cool
The real question is why hasn't there been any good WW1 movies?
>>70546693
trenches are boring
going over the top, however, is beyond exhilarating. but you can't really make a movie out of that
>>70546693
Paths of Glory
>>70541467
>Sunk by two Italian torpedo boats.
>>70546693
Maybe not recently. However there was the 2 All Quiet on the Western Front films. There was the Blue Max.
There was another one I can't remember the name. The movie ended with the Brits getting gassed at the very end and the film stopped right there.
>>70546554
you're a big gun
>>70546671
holy shit footage of pre-dreadnaughts
what navy are they?
>>70547011
British or French I think. I believe that was suppose to be during Gallipoli.
Can someone tell me what show/movie this image is from?
>>70541052
Because naval warfare was boring during the World Wars. Ships fought at too long of a range, and battles tended to be indecisive.
What we need is a movie about late 19th century naval warfare. The Battle of Lissa was amazing, with ramming attacks and point-blank cannon fire between ships that were bizarre hybrids of ironclads and old wooden ships of the line.
>>70547475
Saka no Ue no Kumo.
Japanese series about the Russo-Japanese war.
>>70547780
Fucking this
>>70547853
>the world will never see a naval battle this badass again
>>70547780
Master and Commander would've been a nice entry point to more battles... too bad it sunk at the box office.
>>70541052Haifuri
Of the few surface battles in WW2, I would like to see the naval battles of Guadalcanal get made into a movie. Those were probably the last major surface battles in the Pacific before aircraft carriers dwarfed everything else and were pretty intense with all of the night battling and how close they were.
