What was this characters endgame?
>>70507230
Getting the ring
>>70507230
Taking off his mask
>>70507230
after he got his hands on the ring?
>kill off all elves that did not flee to the Undying Lands
>subjugate the kingdoms of man
>probably kill off all the dwarves since the corruption thing didn't work out well last time
>muck about for a few thousand years, deciding whether or not to make another play for Valinor
>>70507230
Crashing middle earth
>>70507309
>muck about for a few thousand years, deciding whether or not to make another play for Valinor
lol wut he'd get fucvking curbstomped m8
>>70507230
UNLIMITED
POWWAAAAAHHHHHH
>>70507230
UNLIMITED POWER
>>70507230
Why does he wear a mask?
>>70507480
No one cared who he was until he forged the ring
>>70507269
If he took it off, would he die?
>>70507230
pure, all consuming blackness which swallows the universe, as things should be.
>>70507230
>What was this characters endgame?
After he took over all the lands he wanted to institute a constitutional republic, which would have brought a 1000 years of peace.
>>70507506
Wow, how can one movie be *THIS* racist?
Was Sauron a misunderstood hero?
>>70507521
Sauran the dark lord of peace
>>70507458
>>70507462
and then?
>he died because he stretched his hand too far
ahaHHAHHAHAHXD
>>70507580
probably a shit load of spinning.
>>70507580
GWWWWAAARRRRGGGGGHGHHHHHH
>>70507558
Like the US killing all the native americans to start a better form of government.
>>70507230
Bringing technology and industrialisation to Middle-Earth.
>>70507653
DUDE LET ME STRETCH MY ARM AND TOUCH YOU LMAO
>>70507445
>lol wut he'd get fucvking curbstomped m8
Yeah except he has the ring in this scenario. The ring is made from his power, and HE CAME FROM VALINOR. It's basically Valinor vs. Valinor. Except one likes to kill things.
being edgelord
>>70507230
A unified Middle earth where the new multi-cultural society could reap the benefit of the brave industrial age.
>>70507230
he already achieved it, but then there was a rebellion
Eru Ilúvatar might have had to intervene and just restart the world again.
>>70507504
I don't think so, but it would probably be extremely painful forhim.
>>70507230
that's fucking stupid. why not protect your ring BY WEARING A FUCKING GLOVE
>>70507842
>>70508412
DUDE WHAT IF SAURON WASNT THE VILLAIN AND THE FELLOWSHIP ACTUALLY REPRESENTED ISIS WHO PLAN A TERRORIST ATTACK BY SNEAKING IMMIGRANTS INTO THE CAPITOL WHERE THEY USE THEIR OWN TECHNOLOGY TO KILL THE PRESIDENT
>>70507230
He was trying to industrialize Middle Earth.
>>70507580
and then.......................................... there will be..................... peeeeeeeeeeace..............................
>>70508609
truly worse than Hitler
>>70508571
You're halfway to a cracked or buzzfeed article.
>>70508635
>5 WAYS TOLKIEN WAS ACTUALLY PREDICTING THE FUTURE AND HOW IT'S PRETTY RACIST!
>>70507230
bring about the industrial age
>>70508336
even with the ring he'd get massacred by the valar
even Morgoth got fucking rekt every time, the only way was to amass a massive army, only then did they stand a chance
the ring was irrelevant against the power of the likes Manwe and Kultas
>>70508635
It's a sad, sad state of things that there's very little difference between the two now.
>>70508688
no outside interference rule mate. valar basically said you're on your own
>>70508819
he is explicitly attacking valinor in this scenario
>>70507230
To become the supreme lord of Arda and either recreate Melkor or become the creator himself.
Sauron (and Melkor) could not create anything, as he did not possess the Flame Imperishable; thus he could only corrupt what already existed.
>>70507230
Winning
>>70508867
Sauron would have never attacked Valinor, hes not that stupid.
He just wanted dominion over the bit of land the Valar didnt care too much about
>>70508557
He was wearing a glove.
His plan was to build a space rocket propelled by potent elven spiritual residue to free papa Morgoth from space prison.
>>70508336
Lol Failron got rekt by a dog, and he had much more power back then. Tulkas would probably do the same thing he did to Morgoth and his crown :)
>>70507309
Why would killing everyone be someone's endgame??
>>70508557
Because they literally cut the ring from his body with a sword.
>>70509658
it's a mystery
>>70509743
asian jesus
>>70507435
With no survivors
>>70507230
Getting killed by Geralt of Rivia
>>70508670
jesus christ
>>70508670
Wouldn't surprise me if this exists already
>>70507230
Stopping the Númenórean menace and then ruling the Middle Earth as a benevolent god that doesn't discriminate against orcs and other sentient beings that the evil humans treated like shit.
>>70507435
WITH NO SURBIBORS!! :DD
>>70507496
>No one cared who he was until he forged the ring
But that's wrong you bloody movie-only fag.
>>70508670
In the books it's mentioned that Sauron ruled over southern kingdoms that were populated by dark-skinned men, they worshiped him as a divinity because he was a great ruler.
Those humans also show up in the Battle of Pelennor Fields but they were cut from the movie.
>>70510168
Orcs have no culture except eating bugs and living in literally the fucking mud.
>>70507653
anon, there is just nothing that compares to chocking your enemy to death with your bare hands.
sure you can shoot him with arrows, throw him across the room with magic, or stab him in the chest, but it pales to chocking a bitch out.
generations of pimps can't be wrong
>>70509658
>kill elves because they represent the only signifigant threat after he subjugates men, even though they would at best be a minor annoyance and as payback for what happened in the second age
>kill the dwarves becuase melkor doesn't have enough jizz to make enough gold to buy them off and can't turn them to his service.
>>70510274
That's anti-Orc propaganda.
>>70509658
He is evil for the sake of evil.
>>70510274
Ding, thats racist
>>70510293
The elves were leaving on their own so he doesn't need to do anything about them.
For the Dwarves he just needs to give them gold, he can probably get that from the humans that are probably hoarding it.
>>70510304
no, that's melkor
Sauron just wants everything to be in neat little rows with neat little labels in neat little print all sorted into neat little catagories that he puts into neat little boxes
>>70510176
honestly mate, i dont often say this but you don't really know how to meme, right?
>>70510389
Melkor just wanted to write his own tunes.
>>70510454
Make his own kind of music
>>70510454
it just so happen that those tunes involved death metal which his brothers and sisters didn't like because it clashed so hideously with the chior music so they threw him out of the house after he had a bitch fit and let a spider in the house as a prank to get the lightbulbs that his family gathered around every night
>>70510274
>no culture
>but knows a menu
fucking racist
Is Sauron the original Dark Lord of fantasy?
>>70507506
Nope
1/2
>Thus, as 'Morgoth', when Melkor was confronted by the existence of other inhabitants of Arda, with other wills and intelligences, he was enraged by the mere fact of their existence, and his only notion of dealing with them was by physical force, or the fear of it. His sole ultimate object was their destruction. Elves, and still more Men, he despised because of their 'weakness': that is their lack of physical force, or power over 'matter'; but he was also afraid of them.
>Hence his [Morgoth's] endeavour always to break wills and subordinate them to or absorb them into his own will and being, before destroying their bodies. This was sheer nihilism, and negation its one ultimate object: Morgoth would no doubt, if he had been victorious, have ultimately destroyed even his own 'creatures', such as the Orcs, when they had served his sole purpose in using them: the destruction of Elves and Men. Melkor's final impotence and despair lay in this: that whereas the Valar (and in their degree Elves and Men) could still love 'Arda Marred', that is Arda with a Melkor-ingredient, and could still heal this or that hurt, or produce from its very marring, from its state as it was, things beautiful and lovely, Melkor could do nothing with Arda, which was not from his own mind and was interwoven with the work and thoughts of others: even left alone he could only have gone raging on till all was levelled again into a formless chaos. And yet even so he would have been defeated, because it would still have 'existed', independent of his own mind, and a world in potential.
>Sauron had never reached this stage of nihilistic madness. He did not object to the existence of the world, so long as he could do what he liked with it. He still had the relics of positive purposes, that descended from the good of the nature in which he began: it had been his virtue (and therefore also the cause of his fall, and of his relapse) that he loved order and coordination,
>>70510662
2/2
>... and disliked all confusion and wasteful friction. (It was the apparent will and power of Melkor to effect his designs quickly and masterfully that had first attracted Sauron to him.) Sauron had, in fact, been very like Saruman, and so still understood him quickly and could guess what he would be likely to think and do, even without the aid of palantiri or of spies; whereas Gandalf eluded and puzzled him.
>Morgoth had no 'plan': unless destruction and reduction to nil of a world in which he had only a share can be called a 'plan'.
>He [Sauron] was only a rather cleverer Radagast - cleverer, because it is more profitable (more productive of power) to become absorbed in the study of people than of animals.
>>70510389
Autism
>>70510602
No.
>>70510834
Then who is it?
>>70510662
>>70510685
Holy shit, never knew LOTR was this complicated. I just thought it was good vs evil. Then again, I'm justa moviefag.
>>70510901
Satan
>>70510912
>Satan
>fantasy
>>70507230
Why does he wear the mask?
>>70509658
Not everyone.
Orcs would dominate the West in massive industrial hubs like Bar adur and Isengard. Meanwhile the east would be for Saurons easterling allies and the south being for the Harad Empire (Arabs with the elephants)
>>70511084
Nobody cared who he was until he put on the ring.
>>70511048
>Bible
>Koran
>Talmud
All fantasy
are the undying lands based on agartha/shambala? Was Tolkien an initiated?
>>70507506
BIG
>>70508336
Tulkas might laugh himself to death when he comes at him with a ring.
Who's the coolest character in the movies and why is it this guy?
>>70509104
This. The only reason he urged the numenoresns into violating the ban of the valar was because he knew theyd get wiped the fuck out by the west, removing the only real opposition to him in middle earth.
>>70510901
Satan is the obvious precursor but he isn't fictional. Milton's Satan probably doesn't count for that reason.
The Arthurian and Fair Folk cycles have dark lords, but you can chalk those up more to folklore or myth than fiction.
Dracula is an early Victorian one, as is the Red Queen, and the Goblin Queen from The Princess and the Goblin, but there were plenty in Gothic fiction.
Pulp writers in the '20s and '30s and '40s had a lot of dark lords, like Ming the Merciless, a few characters from Conan the Barbarian, or the various dero leaders of the Shaver mythos.
>>70511657
>but you can chalk those up more to folklore or myth than fiction.
Except the explicit reason for tolkien writing the lord of the rings was to create a new english folklore.
>>70511048
>>70511579
>MUH FEDORA
>"I have no logical argument against yours, so I'll imply you're an edgelord because it's the only way I can think of to discount what you're saying."
Christfag idiocy wins again.
>>70509658
It was Morgoths endgame, not Saurons
>>70508505
Why was Eru such a cunt?
>create gods because you're bored and want to see what happens
>some of them are evil and have evil lieutenants
>the faggot elves in the undying lands are about to get their shit pushed in by Sauron
>"lolno"
In the Silmarillion Melkor built tanks and spaceships and shit, so Sauron probably just wanted to fly to Mars or something
>>70507230
He was bringing order to chaos. Admittedly, he had to crack a few billion eggs along the way to make that omelette but the guy had to do something.
>>70511510
These guys were by far the coolest.
>>70510513
Sing his own special song.
>>70509196
>>70508688
fuck is valnar and who are all those people?
are they only in the books?
how op are they?
>>70508505
I believe Eru and the Valar were fed up with intervening in ME at that point. Gandalf and the four other wizards were the last help Valinor was going to give, and if Sauron still won, then so be it. The free peoples weren't good enough to resist a mid tier Maia in the end, so ME becomes a failed, smoking project they'll forget about.
>>70521100
The Vala were the demigods/pantheon that helped create the world and were charged to maintain it in perpetuity. The high gods were the Ainur and their helpers were maiar.
Valinor was a continent on the western edge of the world (before eru broke the world and made it a globe) that was basically the garden of eden, a place untouched by time and evil where the gods and elves lived.
>>70521227
>fed up with intervening in ME at that point.
It was because muh oath. Feanor and kis kin swore off the gods and made war upon morgoth on their own. The gods couldn't intervene because the doom of the noldor... Aka muh oath motherfucker.
Also the last time they intervened the fucked up the entire planet. After earendil beseeched them for help by giving back a silmarilion they had a loophole to get involved and sunk an entire continent in the process.
Sauron and the ring was a threat because he corrupted men and elves so it was literally their problem to fix.
>>70510262
>Those humans also show up in the Battle of Pelennor Fields but they were cut from the movie.
They weren't cut, the ones riding the mumakil were humans. But they made sure to not make them look African.
>>70507580
He literally just wanted to be Emperor of Middle-Earth, probably turning the rest of it toward a cult worshiping Morgoth preparing for his return.
>>70508557
>It was Gil-galad, Elven-king and Elendil of Westernesse who overthrew Sauron, though they themselves perished in the deed; and Isildur Elendil’s son cut the Ring from Sauron’s hand and took it for his own.
Isildur cut the Ring from his hand after he was already defeated, it's only in the movies where they combine the two events. Probably because they wanted to make it clear that his power was tied to it and to make Isildur look more heroic.
>>70515687
This.
Morgoth is sick of the fucking universe and wants it scrapped and reshaped in his image.
What's his end game?
>>70522301
memes
>>70522301
Watching the world burn
>>70522301
Fucking bitches and luring some took boipucci into his forest once in a while.
>>70522120
Always upset we never really learn much about gil galad or the second age. First king of the noldor that wasn't a complete shithead.
>>70522301
Singing and fucking his hot wife out in the woods.
>>70508505
It was a song you dummy :) The whole fate of Arda is the tunes
>>70511504
The dog of Orome wrecked Sauron. Am i being meme'd?
>>70528975
Meant for this>>70509196
>>70507230
Why wasn't this guy a pyromancer?
>>70522301
Singing and making his river bitches wet
To institute an ordered and efficient industrialization based rule over Middle Earth
>>70508670
NUMBER FOUR WILL SHOCK YOU
>>70522181
And Sauron wanted to enslave it and run things the way he thought they should be run. He was a massive control freak.
>>70529552
He was a smith. The armor he wears in the movie he made himself.
