Why is this scene so ridiculed?
>>70480815
idk, they show in BvS that pa kent rode the tornado to mt. everest
>>70480815
Special effects were laughable
>>70480815
>>70480845
the tornado was actually el flasho spinning
>halt, my invincible seed
>>70480815
YIELD, UNKILLABLE DESCENDANT
Because /tv/ is populated by 15 year old social outcasts
>>70480874
Is it a meme to be this retarded?
He wanted to protect superman as people wouldn't understand or know how to react to him being revealed.
>>70480874
Every time
>>70480962
he's teaching his son to put himself over the suffering of others
>>70480962
Everything is a meme anon
>>70480815
Because plebs didn't understand it, so the only way to cope is to meme.
It's the Evansposter's favorite .gif after all.
>Hey son maybe you shouldnt reveal yourself. First off it would cause too much of a shock to the world, plus it will be dangerous to you and we as your parents want to protect you cuz we love you
>cause too much of a shock to the world
World thrown into chaos by him flying around, crazy people like Lex Luthor murders dozens of people because of him
>it will dangerous to you
Clark literally dies
>>70480958
he says, while posting on /tv/
>>70480962
about as retarded as sending an frail old man to rescue a fucking dog who would live like 4-5 years more, and almost as retarded as not just sending in the invincible son who can grab the dog and run away from the tornado in an instant.
>>70480962
>Clark goes at normal pace to rescue dog, perhaps almost as fast as a professional runner
>wind does not swoop him because he's superman
>dog rescued at no cost
STOP RESISTING! my invisible heir.
>>70481145
AH NEED TA BE USEFUL AH CANT LET MEH SUN DO EVERYTHIN EFFORTLESSLY
SON, U BE A SELFISH CUNT ELSE IMMA BE DISAPOINTED IN U
>>70480981
fucking kek
>>70480815
>most of the capeshit audience consists of children and teenagers
>children and teenagers find stupid things funny
>children and teenagers go on facebook and make up stupid memes about the shitty commercial abortions they watch
>>70480815
there's literally nothing wrong with that scene
the commoner's mentality is a mistery
>>70480815
Because it was stupid. Why would he go back to save the dog. He could have just let Clark do it, since there was no chance he would have died.
>>70482964
This is the kind of people shitting on MoS and BvS. Someone else tell him pls, I'm too tired.
>>70480815
Because it's fucking stupid. He had the full ability to save him but didn't because daddy would yell at him for showing his powers off. A heart attack was way fucking better because that's something he is literally powerless to stop. In the 78 movie Pa Kent dies because
>All these things I can do, all these powers, and I couldn't even save him
That's powerful. In MOS Pa Kent dies because "DON'T DO IT EVERYONE WILL KNOW YOU'RE SUPERMAN" so Clark has to deal with that completely unnecessary emotional trauma for the rest of his life.
>>70481145
sure, no one would notice
did you watched the full movie or just that scene? a lot of people in the city thought that Clark were anormal, and if Clark survived a tornado, they would be sure
Also, Clark was pissed off in the begging of the scene, so he weren't thinking
>>70483841
What the fuck?
What am I reading?
Are you human?
Jesus.
>>70480962
>people wouldn't understand or know how to react to him being revealed
So?
He's fucking invincible, what is anyone going to do if they don't like it? Plus, raising someone who would spend his time helping others instead of letting shit happen would go a long way in making people accept him.
Pa Kent was a sociopathic retard
>>70483924
>Are you human?
Yes, I got the captcha right
>>70483997
>what is anyone going to do if they don't like it?
This. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTtG5tEMm0c
>>70480815
it's just a meme
>>70483187
basically this
it's just stupid and i have no clue why they didn't just go with heart attack or cancer or whatever. how does he die in smallville? it's a meteor crash there, right? that's also better than this tornado shit.
>>70483841
jesus christ
>why is this character flawed? why don't his actions identically reflect the values and thought processes of me, the average film audience member? This is an outrage!
>>70483924
>>70484377
next time you want to do some samefagging, don't put "jesus" in both posts
>>70480874
>This is an excellent plan.
Gets me every fucking time.
>>70483841
Holy Moses
>>70480858
it's a flashback of a memory it was supposed to look that way.
not everyone has crystal clear memories it's all foggy in some parts like this scene.
>>70480815
he dies because of the strength of his convictions
his eye is always on the bigger picture and everything he does is in relation to the bigger picture
in that scene, he chooses to not risk clark exposed to a lot of people, and then sacrifices himself for protect clark
it's not a ridiculous scene. that kind of sacrifice is nothing new. these idiots think you need to agree one hundred percent with every action of individuals on screen instead of understanding them and seeing where they're coming from, just by that you can dismiss their opinions
>>70480815
is a perfectly apt scene, which conveys clearly the core theme of the whole movie.
plebs just need something particular to aim their bullshit at, so this got randomly choosed.
>>70484482
Moses might work
what's next?allahu akbar?
>3 years
>still mad
>>70484203
Wow I'm sure they'll be able to restrain and capture the literal strongest man on earth immune to harm by humans.
>stupidly forgets dog in a tornado storm even though the dog was right behind them in the car
>thinks that a young man rescuing a small animal in a storm would be too suspicious so he kills himself
>>70480874
People may deride this as being a meme or false representation, but it's exactly on point.
Pa Kent rescued the dog and told Clark not to save him, because he feared how the world would react to the existence of something like Clark. Ignoring the fact Clark could easily just do what the father did, and run back, thus keeping it a total secret, Pa Kent's core message is to give in to fear, hide your powers, help no one, and firmly believe that humanity would react negatively and shun him.
Pa Kent sees only the worst in others, and is raising his son to do similar.
>>70480815
The Ultimate Pleb Filter
Superman can save Pa Kent but not CLARK KENT.
Clark wasn't ready to reveal his powers to the world. He wasn't mature enough to take the responsibility of the outcome. It haunted Clark for not doing anything but revealing his powers during his teenage years would have been even worse. He could have ended like Superboy Prime.
>>70484643
This. There's no point in being mad at shit movies. Just accept that they're shit and move on.
>>70484772
It's a good thing Pa Kent had the foresight to wait until Clark's alien father taught him his destiny to rule and guide earth as an Alien Messiah Jesus.
>>70483997
Like what Lex did in BvS?
You utter pleb?
why didn't clark just save his dad and murder all the witnesses?
his secret would have been safe
>>70484882
The movie posits the idea that Pa Kent and Martha are positive, inspiring forces on Clark, raising him to embody great values.
This scene directly contradicts that, and is roundly jeered because of that. The movie tries to depict this act as a noble sacrifice, with a positive message, when it's the exact opposite of that. It's horribly written.
>>70484732
you're absolutely wrong, and have no way to back it up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpsxVDHRhek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C7EFrSQqlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2F1Fllstno
simply a man who understands the gravity of the situation, and in no way is he cynical or whatever other bullshit people throw at him
>>70484981
>The movie posits the idea that Pa Kent and Martha are positive,
Martha yes. Jonathan, no. The movie consistently portrays Jonathan as being a small, fearful man concerned only with the safety of his son.
Was it just thinly veiled suicide by Pa Kent? Did he really lose the will to live?
>>70484981
you're saying the idea is bad in itself, the idea of that kind of sacrifice. and because of that, i's horribly written. i can't follow that, regardless of this being a capeshit movie
>>70485049
The movie does portray Pa Kent one way, but the movie itself tells us the opposite. It repeatedly states Pa Kent is inspiring and positive, even if the way Pa Kent acts is anything but. This is why the movie is shit.
>>70481007
Ironic or not, it's worrying how somebody can analyze and waste so much time into a capeshit movie
>>70485094
>It repeatedly states Pa Kent is inspiring and positive
Fucking when?
>dog can walk out of the tornado fine
>BUT SUPERMAN NEEDED TO USE HIS POWERS RIGHT
Retard thy movement, indestructible successor
>>70484566
I get that but it still seems a little far-fetched. The fact of the matter is Pa Kent killed himself for a fucking dog. It's even more ridiculous when you consider the fact that Clarke offered to go get the dog and he wasn't gonna use any of his powers to do it, but his dad literally stops and says "I'll go instead" for no fucking reason at all.
>>70484772
Understanding it doesn't make it less stupid.
>NO DON'T SAVE THE DOG EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE SUPERMAN TO DO IT (AS I WILL SOON DEMONSTRATE)
>Ok guess I'll stay here
>ow my leg I can't get back. Don't try to save me. Your powers are more important than my life.
>Ok guess I'll just let my dad die because he'll yell at me if I do.
Compare that to
>Heart attack
>All these things I can do, all these powers, and I couldn't even save him.
>>70485155
>>70485155
*Stops him
I thought papa kent didn't know the extent of his son's powers yet? Like he knew he was strong, but I didn't think papa kent thought he was invincible enough to survive a tornado?
>>70485155
it's not far fetched. as that post said that sort of sacrifice is nothing new. and the scene conveyed it clearly
and why do you think jonathan decided to go for the dog in the first place?
>>70485073
>i can't follow that
Well that makes sense. You've drawn a conclusion that has nothing to do with what I've said, so you can't follow what I'm saying, and you clearly couldn't follow the movie either, because it directly supports what I'm saying.
>Clark Kent: My father believed that if the world found out who I really was, they'd reject me... out of fear.
>Clark Kent: I let my father die because I trusted him. Because he was convinced that I had to wait. That the world was not ready. What do you think?
Pa Kent was cynical and fearful. This is a fact of the movie. His sacrifice was bad and a horrible decision, and Clark even thinks as much.
>>70485199
two different things with different goals
heart attack is about him being powerless as anyone else
the tornado scene is about sacrifice it's not any more or less stupid than a heart attack
>>70484680
Luthor could do that
>>70485326
>His sacrifice was bad and a horrible decision, and Clark even thinks as much.
That doesn't make it bad writing. Fallible characters make bad decisions, and the relevant flaws in Jonathan's character are soundly established.
>>70485293
shhhhhhh
>>70485155
This shit right here
Dumb old fuck, even without his powers he's more fast then his dad, and if he gets caught by the tornado he won't get killed and perhaps people will just think it's a miracle.
>>70484842
but /tv/ won't admit it's shit
Hold your horses unbeatable boy
Freeze, matchless scion
Pause, prodigious progeny
Halt, heroic heir
Arrest your momentum stupendous son
Stop right there all-powerful lad
>mfw plebs can't into the idea that Jonathan tells his son no to intervene to keep him safe while sacrificing himself for a lesser creature, accidentally imparting the lesson that Clark would realise later in life
>>70485457
>perhaps people will just think it's a miracle
Yeah let's fucking bank on that, everyone just saying "Wow I guess it was a miracle, let's never speak of it again"
>>70485326
that's not cynicism, not at all.
when i saw the scene, i understood what was going on and didn't think twice about it.
'oh, he's a convicted individual' 'usually sacrifice is tied to direct danger but here its for a possible future. okay'
>and Clark even thinks as much.
what the hell. if that's the case then this whole discussion loses any meaning
if clark himself validates your point of view, why are you and everyone else still angry about jonathan
>>70485396
>It's about sacrifice
And how does that make it less stupid exactly? Sacrifice doesn't have to be stupid but in MOS it definitely is. Now, if the scene had Martha and Johnathan both trapped in some way and Clark could only save one in his limited time, so he chooses to save Martha because it's what his dad would want, that would be a good sacrifice, but Snyder would have found a way to fuck it up anyway.
He let himself die to teach his son a lesson about feeling powerless.
"Remember Clark, snap as many necks as you possibly can and then enjoy kissing Lois Lane while Zod is destroying the city just like how I ate my cake while those horses were drowning"
>Should I have let that bus full of kids drown?
>lol maybe
Pa Kent was such a piece of shit in MoS.
>>70485673
the whole scene could have been done away with from the beginning, by not forgetting the dog or just written out completely
that's how i know you're all full of shit
and it's not a big deal. this scene is not as big a deal as people still try to make it out to be.
>>70485673
Because it's all about Jonathan's deliberate sacrifice to save the dog. Fastforward a couple of decades, we're the dog, Superman is Jonathan. It's about why Clark would choose to put himself on the line for humanity, Jonathan has to have agency in his own death.
>what was i supposed to do, let them drown?
>*puff* *puff* shit maybe i don't care
>"Stop, invincible franchise."
What did Snyder mean by this???
>what was i supposed to do, let them drown?
>the fuck you think, son bitchass kid you saved ratted you out
>living here you've got to know the trust
>it's rare to listen to niggas who've never been in your position
>what was i supposed to do, let them drown?
>maybe, we're all going to die eventually anyway, son
>>70485835
where did you learn to meme? on a farm?
In a movie where Superman is portrayed as a god/christ symbol you guys seriously cannot understand that Pa Kent was a trying to teach Clark that not everyone is worth saving and people are inherently flawed.
Not understanding the burden of raising a god
>what was i supposed to do, let them drown?
>maybe, the universe will eventually reach thermodynamic equilibrium anyway so who gives a shit
>what was i supposed to do, let them drown?
>m-maybe shit i don't know i'm a fucking farmer from kansas this shit too big for me
>>70484015
Kek, well done
>>70486084
every time
Regular Pa:
>What was I supposed to do, let them drown?
>Of course not son, come here. I can't even describe how proud of you I am.
Synder Pa
>What was I suppos-
>Yes Clark! They are NOTHING compared to you, your personal inconvenience is infinitely more important than they're 'lives'. Tell me invincible son, would you cross the street to avoid riding your bicycle over a fucking ant?! You're a god, you owe them nothing, mercy less so. Your mercy is not erasing them from the planet, do you understand? LOOK AT ME. DO YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND?!
>>70485785
That's the point. The world is cynical, bitter, with no hope. Superman coming to Earth to inspire hope in people who think like Jonathan Kent is what people are missing.
>>70486301
the snyder pa has a point
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou0ozvnJumE
Just watch this and call it a day
>>70486371
Yeah if you're raising Dark Seid
>>70480815
Why couldn't they just make Pa have a heart attack like the comics? It's something that Superman can't stop with his powers and doesn't make him or Pa look like a moron
>>70480815
So Quicksilver who is practically the Flash in the X Men films can save every student in the X Mansion as it is exploding but Superman couldn't save his Dad without anyone else seeing.
RETARDED.
>>70486368
Jonathan isn't supposed to be bitter. The Kents make Clark the man he is
>>70483187
What's silly is that Clark could've grabbed both him and the dog and be out of harms way in some area out of sight with his superspeed.
>>70486301
kek
>>70481007
Wow. Someone wasted valuable time and energy to write that unfunny and forced analysis of a superhero flick in order to debate strangers on an anime message board?
>>70480962
It's literally one person with him
If Hack Snyder wanted pathos, he should have had Pa Kent die slowly of cancer, something which Superman is powerless to fight, all the while still caring about and thinking of other people
Then, in the next movie, he meets his good friend Lex Luthor, who is going through chemo and therefore reminds him of his father
But eh howabout Superman just decides one person seeing him is worth letting his father die. Might as well save his father and just kill the witness. Either way one person dies to save his dumb secret identity
>>70482964
>>70483135
Alright I'll take care of it. Anon, you're completely right and the scene is garbage.
>>70480815
SURRENDER YOUR MOTION, MY PERPETUAL HEIR
>>70486408
>>70481007
The whole "maybe" scene is what threw me off
I'll defend everything about this movie but that line
does someone have a more concise answer to justify this line
this pic kinda avoids the question while addressing it
>>70486473
Yes, that's correct. However, Jonathan understands how human nature works, which is what leads to his cynicism about people. Clark is the "dream of a father from Kansas" but he knew people weren't ready for it yet.
>>70486611
emotional vulnerability
it's not a command. he tells clark the weight of his situation and even more importantly clark asks why he's the way he his which leads to the revelation of his origin
there's nothing to justify anyway. just a character in a movie with a point of view in a moment of emotional vulnerability expressing his discomfort with the situation
Can't believe no one said it
>STOP, UNBEATABLE OFFSPRING
>I DIE FOR DOG
You are all forgetting that it was a kryptonite tornado. There was NOTHING Superman could have done.
>>70486926
How underwhelmingly shit
>>70486708
>Jonathan understands how human nature works, which is what leads to his cynicism about people
Jonathan is a fucking farmer from Kansas, jesus christ he's not some disillusioned homeless war veteran
Is it just me or are Jonathan's and Jor-El's characterizations completely reversed? Shouldn't Pa Kent be the one pushing his kid to use his powers for the good of humanity while Jor-El tells him to be wary of the cruel nature of man? Why is Pa such a disillusioned cunt and Jor-El thinks humanity is the bee's knees?
>>70480815
He was afraid. Afraid for Clark. He knew once he acted in public,he would be the center of attention from the whole world. He didn't think the world,or Clark was ready. It's almost like this is in the dialogue...but this board is fucking retarded. Scary huh?
>>70487079
>He knew once he acted in public,he would be the center of attention from the whole world
yeah it's not like people have miraculously survived tornados before
"You don't have to help other people Clark, even if it's peaches and cream for you, just live your life in fear that someone might think you are awesome"
They had the original Pa Kent idea: he's dying because his heart; a fight that Clark can't win, something that reminds him that he's invincible but others aren't, that our time on this world has an end and you have to do your best to give this time a value
But no
let him watch his father dying so he could think for the rest of his life "what if...".
>>70487079
But he didn't have to be superhuman to save the dog. He just had to run over there and run back. The only reason that an old fuck like his dad didn't make it back is because he fucked up his leg. Absolutely everyone understands what the scene is trying to convey (it's fucking capeshit made for children), it just wasn't executed very well.
>>70485457
>just a miracle
Not after the schoolbus incident and the whole "muh boy saw what Clark did". They had already burned their miracle card.
>>70486611
I dont understand why they chose to make Ma and Pa Kents terrible people. Without the Kents, Superman would be an alien and have no attachment to this world. They are what give him humanity. The movies show them as bitter and distrustful. They teach Clark to be fearful and selfish. The writing in these movies is garbage
>>70480815
It was fresh off the back of TDKR and the many ridiculous scenes and dialogue therein, so people were really stretching
Personally I think the most ridiculous scene in the film is the scream he does after killing Zod
>>70480962
So basically he was right and BvS proved that the world will reject Supes?
>>70483187
>showing his powers off.
That's the thing, right there. If he wasn't a fucking moron, he should have gotten fed-up with his dad's bullshit, blinded people with a sudden gust of wind, and rescued dad in one swift motion.
People wouldn't have jumped to the superman conclusion, they'll jump to the "oh fuck, it's a miracle!" retarded conclusion.
>>70487079
>in public
Look, all he had to do was run into a chaotic situation and grab a dog out. He would have done this in front of a few hicks who were far more concerned with saving their own lives than studying the actions of strangers.
Clark easily could have got away with running into the chaos, and either running back out or hiding in the ditch until it calms down.
He didn't need to fly in, use laser beams from his eyes and then fly back out
>>70487431
they're not terrible people. they're normal people. none of what you're saying is accurate to what is displayed in the movie through dialogue and action
It was all a ruse by doggu to kill Pa Kent because he was an asshole not just to Clark but to everyone including doggu
>muhhh heart attack
>yfw that's not even the og death but it came popular after donnerman
>yfw donnerman ruined everything
>>70487748
>none of what you're saying is accurate to what is displayed in the movie through dialogue and action
"You don't owe this world a thing. You never did."
>Plebs didn't get the point of this scene
no surprise here. You're probably also prequel haters.
>>70487791
A heart attack narratively makes a great plot point, who cares if it isn't the original version
>>70486590
>he should have had Pa Kent die slowly of cancer
why does everyone what to kill off Pa Kent? There was a lot of good father/son stuff in the comics and Ma and Pa Kent where a feature of that lois and clark TV show. It is such a cheap way to stir up drama.
>>70487791
Heart attack was brilliant, though.
>>70487748
>makes Clark watch him die
>leaves his wife a widow for a dog
>teaches their invincible son not to help anyone
>teaches son to see the worst in humanity
>not terrible people
>>70487791
>implying heart attack isn't a good way of showing that even Superman can't save everyone
>>70484710
>there are ditches nearby where he could hide out
>there are a number of ways to survive a tornado that doesn't reveal your powers
>>70487908
>why does everyone what to kill off Pa Kent?
Because it happened in the movie. People are just pointing out how it could have been done so much better
Why did Pa sacrifice himself for a fucking dog?
>>70488120
Korean detected
>heart attack
>not the most cliche character moment
i fucking swear
>>70484566
>these idiots think you need to agree one hundred percent with every action of individuals on screen instead of understanding them and seeing where they're coming from, just by that you can dismiss their opinions
This. People are also so quick to claim plot-hole where there isn't one.
It amazes me how it is considered bad that Jonathan Kent was trying to teach Clark about the importance of protecting his identity. We see throughout the movie that he's just trying to teach Clark that his powers are not to be taken lightly. That he can't use them as a get out of jail free card whenever he is in trouble. He takes this to next level by sacrificing himself, also teaching him he won't always be able to save everyone. That's really the most important lesson a superhuman like him needs to be taught. He has to be more than just a man with powers, he has to be a symbol.
>>70487821
>"You don't owe this world a thing. You never did."
he doesn't. you don't, i don't. we live our lives but have no obligation to commit to grand world changing causes. why does he?
albert einstein had no obligation to publish his papers
newton and leibniz had no obligation to tell anyone about calculus
thanks for proving that some of you are so full of shit that you can't understand that not only some fictional person but people in general hve no obligation to do anything other than what is freely chosen
>>70486708
>Clark is the "dream of a father from Kansas"
That's not even the quote. It's "Superman was never real. Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas.", and the farmer he's referring to is possibly his father, since he talks about him right before this quote.
>>70488156
Superman is a cliche, you shouldn't just subvert cliches for the sake of it
>>70488315
right after you mean
>>70488308
Because he's not a NEET like you.
>>70488329
there's no obligation one way or the other. yes there general parameters that people are familiar with but there are no obligations.
especially in regards to what we're talking about here in the heart attack, there's no subversion here
>>70488338
I'm going off this (imdb), don't remember what he says right after.
Superman: All this time I've been living my life the way my father saw it. Righting wrongs for a ghost, thinking I'm here to do good. Superman was never real. Just the dream of a farmer from Kansas.
Lois Lane: That farmer's dream is all some people have. It's all that gives them hope.
>>70488250
>trying to teach Clark about the importance of protecting his identity.
>wears glasses and starts working at a large media company
>>70488411
i misread your post, i thought you were referring to their interaction on the mountain
>>70480815
>Clark wouldn't have needed to use his powers to save the dog, Pa would have made it back fine if he hadn't hurt his leg and would have been out of view if he needed to
>Family loves the dog enough to risk their lives to save it but left it in the truck in the first place
>Clark has super speed and probably could have saved Pa Kent without being seen
>People weirdly survive tornadoes anyway, just fake surviving somehow
But no, this was the situation where they killed him off. A better scene would have been Jonathan having a heart attack when Clark was off doing some super hero task or saving someone for the first time and dying while saying his last words to Clark, knowing he could hear them with his super senses
>>70480815
Is a /tv/ meme because most people are opinionated retard mindless plebs.
which, ironically enough, was precisely the message that costner was conveying to cavill in that particular scene.
>>70488411
I thought Clark was talking about himself.
>>70488463
>Jonathan having a heart attack when Clark was saving someone for the first time
what hackeneyed save-the-cat melodramatic bullshit. please stay away from the movie making industry
>>70488606
>killing yourself to teach your child a lesson
>AND THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULDN'T SAVE ANYONE
>>70487977
See now THIS is how you kill Pa. Make supes fucking "powerless" even though he's using his powers.
>>70488459
Clark putting on glasses to cover his identity, as stupid as it may be, has been established since the characters creation, it's more about using his abilities through a different persona, than to go out saving the world as Clark.
Him working in a large media company lets him stay up to date on whats happening in the world. It's how he came to know about Batman too.
>>70488893
None of that makes sense when this Pa's final suicidal lesson to his son is to protect his identity.
>>70488714
>opinionated retard mindless plebs
>>70488964
I'm sorry that your dad died for nothing trying to teach you to not be a capeshit lover.
>>70485523
>"Boy Clark, this woodchipper is so powerful, if someone fell in, you wouldn't be able to save them with all your powers in time"
>"Haha, yeah dad, with all my powers I couldn't, that's a decent lesson I think..."
>"hmmm, HEY CLARK! THINK FAST!"
>BZZZT
>"NOOOOOO!"
>"When my dad jumped into that woodchipper, I learned my lesson about not intervening..thanks dad"
>>70484772
>A secret is more precious than a life
>That was the last advice of Pa Kent before dying stupidly
>>70484566
>and then sacrifices himself for protect clark
and then sacrifices himself to save a dog
He committed suicide in front of his son to teach him a lesson
Why would anyone defend something as stupid as that?
>>70482964
>>70486592
excellent example of pleb who only watches for the quips and not paying attention to real dialogues
>>70487079
>Some years ago a bus nearly drowned a and one girl say that one kid bumped the bus
>This is somehow being exposed to the public and unable to save your father
Shit writing
>>70489706
it was about sacrifice anon
absurd, meaningless sacrifice
I find it more weird that they thought under an overpass was a safe place to hide from a fucking tornado
>>70489874
It's a shit scene in a shit movie.
>>70490273
sorry they didn't throw enough references cheekiness to excite you
>>70488893
So you're ok with Zack completely altering the personality of these characters
But you would have been against him changing this one goofy feature because "dat's how the comics do it"?
>>70487977
Allstar Superman is a masterpiece
Man of Steel was a mess
don't compare them
>>70490759
Writers alter, in one way or another, certain aspects of the personality of comic characters all the time, but keep certain things because they have become traditional. I fail to see the problem with liking a different take on Superman and his father in MoS while the character still retains certain classic aspects of him.
Why would he risk his life for a stupid dog?
>>70491777
Because Zack Snyder is a hack.
Should Snyder or the comics be blamed for this?
>>70486473
>supposed to be
Literally fucking meaningless. This isn't a continuation of the comicbook character, it's something new entirely. "supposed to be" doesn't apply in any way.
>>70490860
>Allstar Superman is a masterpiece
ha ha holy SHIT anon did you literally just type those actual words
I bet you fucking love Hush as well you absolute pleb shitter ha ha ha
dude culda saved him and the real superman/ clark kent would. if you read the strips youd know his actual history and not this cut off shit for the sake of a short movie, in which unimportant fight scenes are like 2 hours of it. seriously, the reason we like superman is because we like clark kent, not superman. anyone could have superpowers
>>70480981
By far the best thing to come out of the whole ridiculous DC vs. Marvel consolewars faggotry.
>>70487908
This senpai.
The cuck runs so deep now that we jump for joy at the thought of a dead white male
>>70492630
>the real superman/ clark kent
There's no such thing.
> if you read the strips youd know his actual history
Completely irrelevant, it's a different character, it's a different canon, it's a whole new thing. It's like you're criticising an Elseworlds story for being different to the standard universe.
>unimportant fight scenes are like 2 hours of it
Literally 17 minutes in total.
>we like superman is because we like clark kent
Nobody likes Clark Kent, Clark Kent is a boring pantywaist faggot, what could you possibly like about mild mannered Clark Kent.
>>70480874
kek
>>70480815
And everybody forgot the tornado...
Pa Kent die, and
everybody forgot the tornado...
Zack Snyder It's a horrendous director
>>70492830
>There's no such thing
Yeah, there is. There is an original story.
>
Completely irrelevant, it's a different character, it's a different canon, it's a whole new thing. It's like you're criticising an Elseworlds story for being different to the standard universe.
Nah it's not, it's a story from the strips, it's not a different character, it's just superman with less hope to him.
>Literally 17 minutes in total.
17 minutes is still long, i'd rather see the whole superman backstory
>Nobody likes Clark Kent, Clark Kent is a boring pantywaist faggot, what could you possibly like about mild mannered Clark Kent.
You're an idiot
>>70489044
I'm sorry your dad died in bed with his hand down another man's pants.
>>70486607
Good Supes comics hit it right in the feels like no other my man.
>>70493033
>There is an original story.
But this is a NEW STORY. It is DIFFERENT to the story from the strips, it is NOT THE SAME. It is a DIFFERENT THING.
>17 minutes is still long
No, 17 minutes of fighting in a two and a half hour movie is not very long at all, it's just over 10%
PLEASE explain to me what you like about the character of Clark Kent, without referring to the actions of Superman. You can't, because Clark Kent isn't a character, he's a placeholder. 80 years of Clark Kent can be summed up as being polite and waiting for something to happen so he can turn into Superman.
>>70480815
It was the culmination of everything Jonathan Kent had taught Clark, which was that it's better to let the innocent and helpless die than to reveal your true identity to the world.
>>70493176
no ur dad is a gay
>>70493282
>But this is a NEW STORY. It is DIFFERENT to the story from the strips, it is NOT THE SAME. It is a DIFFERENT THING.
Nah, it's just a stripped down story from the strips, but yeah
>PLEASE explain to me what you like about the character of Clark Kent, without referring to the actions of Superman. You can't, because Clark Kent isn't a character, he's a placeholder. 80 years of Clark Kent can be summed up as being polite and waiting for something to happen so he can turn into Superman.
Clark Kent wasn't always superman, he waited to reveal his powers to the world ever since he was a teenager, he was raised by parents who thought revealing that would be a bad thing and people weren't ready for him, however his dad says his destiny is to reveal himself and use his powers. If people didn't care about Clark Kent nobody would've watched smallville ever.
>>70492558
Whoa dude what a great comeback, you sure showed him who's the boss here.
>Clark could have saved the dog faster than Pa without actually using super speed
There's a middleground between slow and super fast, you know.
Thanks for the horrific scene, though, dad.
Because it's utter horseshit and highlights how shit a director snyder is.
> hurr durr i'll kill myself without explaining IN EXACT WORDS why you shouldn't do things.
>>70480815
OH GOD THE HORSES CLARK THE HORSES
I CAN STILL HEAR THEM
>>70493282
>Clark Kent isn't a character, he's a placeholder
wrong. Superman is the act. Clark Kent is the person he really is. Without Clark Kent there's just a alien in a suit. This is what MoS got wrong and why the movie was so bad
>>70494263
GOOOOOOODBYYYYYYYE HOOOOOOORRRRRRSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEES
>>70493326
that sounds perfectly sane
admitedly, not the usual moralistic simpleton hollywood manichaeistic bullshit, so plebs probably won't get it.
My son, do not save me... though you could, easily.
With your super-speed, your identity would be safe, for nobody would see your face. And with your invincibility,you would not be risking yourself, at all.
No, instead, I take this moment to teach you a valuable lesson. Sometimes, don't save people. It's not that you CAN'T save everyone, it's that you shouldn't bother. This sociopathic outlook on life is important for you to learn, son.
Now, use your super-vision to watch my body ripped apart in the debris of the tornado, and use your super-hearing to listen to my agonised screams as I pray to be crushed to death before I suffocate in the vacuum of the tornado.
Don't try and save me.
There we go. Good, son. Remember, Clark: If you're able to save someone with minimal effort, zero consequences and no risk to yourself, the best thing to do is watch them die.
This was a good plan.
The point of Jonathan's death (usually by a heart attack) has always been to teach Clark that he can't save everybody.
So Snyder adapts that by sticking Jonathan in a situation from which Clark could easily save him.
Fucking hell. I was bored until this point, and I was angry after it.
>>70494614
This. And the erroneous belief that Superman is the "real" person while Clark Kent is a persona is furthered by retarded adaptations (and not even just capeshit, even fucking Tarantino got it wrong in Kill Bill 2 and I have that bullshit quoted at me every time I try and explain this)
>>70480874
will never stop being funny
MoS and BvS are tests to see who succumbed to double think and who still has the words and mind to describe and understand what they see. If you think they are shit you are literally pleb.
>>70494263
MADE ME A BIG CAKE, SON
Different scene, so slightly off-topic, but what was up with the horses scene in BvS?
Was Clark seeing his dad's literal, actual ghost?
Or was he just alone on a mountain and remembering his dad telling him the story?
Or was he making the story up in his own head and imagining his dad telling him?
I guess the second option is the most likely, it just seems like a fucking weird moment to go hiking in regular-person clothes and no glasses to the top of a mountain in order to remember something.
>>70480815
because the scene was supposed to have Clark at 17 but the actor fell through and they didn't bother with the other one
Butchering Pa Kent's character honestly hurt me more than any of the other shit in this terrible movie.
>>70480962
Couldn't he have done all that shit without the crowd even noticing he'd left?
>>70497943
are you aware of how ridiculous and infantile that comic page actually is? if you want that kind of shit there's a ton of mcu flicks.
>>70497943
who's that xanthous looking motherfucker
>>70480815
Because Superman could travel at the speed of light, saving the dog without anyone knowing.
Superman could have also pretended to risk his life as a normal person, with of course no real danger.
Also for a father itis pretty retarded/reckless to risk your life for a dog.
>>70497943
Why is Hush from Batman at Jonathan Kent's funeral?
>>70483841
I'm sure people would assume he must be a humanoid alien, because you know, he risked his life for a dog.
Most people would just assume the kid is crazy strong.
>>70480874
This is the never laugh
>>70484310
In the Smallville TV show Pa Kent dies by heart attack, which iirc happens because Clark uses his one time only go back in time device thing to save Lana.
>>70497943
Didn't know that Pa Kent was friend's with a mummy
>>70498386
superman is so overpowered he could reverse time and stop the tornado.
but in MoS his weaknesses come from his insecure, fearful, vengeful, human nature. There's no way they could make that point more explicit without being kid-movie-tier preachy.
Smallville is literally the GOAT superman series in all the superman universe. Only a TV series can flesh out the characters enough, unlike dogshit movies like all of them
>>70480874
>>70480981
Two of my favourite images.
>>70494263
>implying Pa Kent gave a shit about the horses
>>70487977
nice hothead
>>70485118
in BvS, Superman says "superman was just the dream of a farmer from Kansas" when Pa Kent would have been against the idea
>>70501330
Nigger, if you can't follow basic dialogue, then fuck off from watching movies.
>some day you'll change the world Clark
>He saw you Clark, he knew what you were capable of
etc, etc
Because it was absolutely fucking stupid.
But of course the <18 mongoloids on here are praising it for meme cred.
Fuck all of you.
>>70501552
Bitch please. This shit was dreck and you're garbage for eating this crock of crap up.
>>70488308
This. Exactly this. Revealing his nature to the world and not choosing to disappear back into Clark's anonymous existence is just the tip of the iceberg of his heroism. He's not just a guy in a suit, he's not just the victim of some lab accident, he's the unquestionable, walking, breathing proof of alien intelligence, representative of extraterrestrial life so far beyond us that both from a biological as well as a technological standpoint, they might as well be gods.
Thor's exactly the same, but he's portrayed as bro-est of gods and comic relief instead of a source of awe and mystery. There's nothing wrong with that, but neither is there anything wrong with not ignoring what such a being would represent to mankind.
>>70480815
live damn you
>>70486408
my favourite arc in all of comics outside offinal crisis
anyone who thinks that jesse's character isn't lex should read the black ring and try and say that jesse wouldn't be perfect in an adaptation
>>70486408
;_;
I didn't need this.
>>70480815
Here's a short answer:
>>70481007
If you back up and include Martha's scene with Clark at school, this analysis still holds up, as that scene serves to elicit memories of early childhood's idealized, perfectly nurturing parents. That's just a little bit too perfect for it to not have been intentional. Whether you look at it as an indictment of nerd culture or society as a whole, the fact that so many people fixate on it and refuse to reconcile it with other instances of Jonathan's character speaks of a lack of emotional maturity on the part of those who mock it.
>>70504651
You can mock it and still acknowledge that it fits in with the rest of Jonathan's character.
In fact, that's generally the point; his character is entirely fucked in the movie, and there are dozens of examples of why it's a bad movie.
The tornado serves as an exemplar - a moment where the shittiness of the film is clear and present. It's not brought up because the rest of the movie is excellent and the tornado scene lets it down; it's brought up just as one of the worst parts of a terrible movie.
is it true the whales are there because of aquaman?
Let me get this straight:
Tornados happen because of instability caused by cold air on top of warm air.
Superman has heat vision & cold breath.
I'm sensing something could be done without anybody knowing.
BRAVO SNYDER
>>70504807
Yeah, due to her experience speaking whale, the university of Minnesota had Ellen DeGeneres come in and translate what they were singing. It was something like "King Curry was correct, the Kryptonian is here!" and "Yes, yes, here he is!"
It's hidden gems such as this that make Snyder such an amazing director.
>>70504805
this, but its also because the rest of the movie is really forgettable and this part was so bad it was impossible to forget
>>70480874
>invincible sociopath
Fuck, that got me.
>>70480981
this gif gets me every single time
>>70486429
this x10000000000
>>70484732
Pa Kent is literally just the dad from Frozen
>>70484732
If superman can be held back by his family, then he doesn't really love his dad. Because is he could be held back, he wasn't really trying.
Which means he didn't love his dad.
I walked out of the theater after this scene. This whole movie was retarded, and this was the dumbest scene I think I've ever scene in a movie.
>>70504805
>>70504951
So you're saying Jonathan could see the future, in other words, because otherwise, you're just Monday-morning-quarterbacking his decision with the benefit of hindsight.
The eyes of every person hiding beneath that underpass were riveted on Jonathan, just as they would have been on Clark. What if the tornado slammed Clark with a car? Jonathan chose not to play roulette with the unknowns and risk himself instead of his son's secret, both for Clark's benefit as well as the worlds, or do you really think that being outed as an alien at seventeen wouldn't have had a negative impact on the rest of Clark's life?
>>70484203
>captured when he was a baby
>being this retarded
Nobody would have even noticed Clark saving his dad, because there was a fucking tornado coming.
>>70505300
also Clark could have just ran over at a believable speed saved the dog and ran back but the dad decide that he had to do it
>>70505290
could of just let the dog die
>>70505653
Yeah, there's definitely that, but that dog was also one of Clark's only friends. It's the same one he's playing in the yard with in the final flashback. Come hell or high water, someone was going back for that dog. I know the feeling.
>>70505290
Could've let the dog die.
Could've let Clark go in the first place instead of telling him to wait behind.
Clark could've run in faster than anyone could see. Clark could've pretended to be a coward and run the opposite direction before looping around in order to discard suspicion.
Could've had Clark come and get him at normal speed. Hell, Clark could've crawled backwards and still got there in time in that fucking thirty seconds of staring at each other.
Like many others in the thread have pointed out, the entire point of Jonathan dying is to teach Clark that he can't save everyone. Instead of just going with what was already established (the heart attack) in a new way, Snyder decided he needed muh action setpiece and stuck a fucking tornado in there, something Superman can actually stop or from which he can actually save people.
It obviously has the same effect on Clark, that being that he can't save everyone, but in a completely retarded way. All we can possibly take from this scene is that 17-year-old Clark was a selfish twat, and only became a good man long after his dad died - which destroys everything Jonathan Kent stood for anyway, rendering this scene even more moot than it already was.
Again, a heart attack, or cancer, or fucking AIDS I don't give a shit (Even could've had him die from a tornado while Clark was at college in Metropolis or something and have Clark told about it afterwards) is more appropriate because it's about Clark not being able to save his dad. Not being put in a situation where he can save his dad but chooses not to. Or has his dad choose for him.
Snyder misinterpreted everything about this moment. Fucking everything.
>S'all good Dad I can save you
>Nah son don't
>Oh ok no worries
>pet owners suddenly forget their dog is in the back of their truck
The whole scene is based on a giant contrivance.
>>70480815
We can objectively conclude from this thread that retard memesters samefaggers incapable of articulate their reasoning are the only ones who find any problems in that scene.
I'm not saying the scene has no problems, but the ones presented itt are a complete travesty.
>>70505918
No, that's the historical reason. It's not the reason that it happens here. Think about it - who needs to know that Superman can't save everyone? Not him. Certainly not his parents. So who is that lesson for?
It's solely for the benefit of the audience, for the sake of pathos.
Finally, we get a lesson worthy of Superman - one that he spends ten years unraveling, that not only was the world not ready, but that neither was he. Sadly, the same people who insist that we need to be shown that he can't save everyone seem to paradoxically bemoan him not saving anyone when he's saving the whole planet and faced with a foe very nearly his equal, all while on his first day on the job. Funny, that.
>>70506326
Well, I haven't bemoaned that at all - though I don't really understand how the difference cannot be seen between not saving everyone and not saving anyone.
Why don't we try and stick to the same argument at hand instead of going on tangents?
I don't agree that the lesson here is that Superman wasn't ready, but I can get on board with the fact that it's one way to interpret the events. I think that it's the overarching message, sure, but this particular event to me very obviously seemed to be illustrating that Clark cannot save everyone, using his dad as an example - exactly the lesson from the comics, just hamfisted in a horrible, disgusting way.
>Finally, we get a lesson worthy of Superman
Was the other lesson really less worthy than "when you're ready"?
