>Tfw dad's an old cunt hitting the age of 70
>favorite film is good bad and the ugly
>obsessed with westerns, andy griffith and james bond
what's up with old folks and westerns? our father's love westerns for a reason but westerns died out before we could fully appreciate them. what the fuck happened? what made the western so appealing back then but uninteresting to us in this day and age?
>>70463156
They grew up with them, idiot
Cowboys are just Knights
What's up with millenials and capeshit?
Said everyone 30+ years from now
They are this generations comic book films.
>>70463156
The world depicted in classic westerns is something old men recognise and can relate to?
>>70463156
>It's an "Anons father has god tier taste while he probably watches every CW capeshit show he can find" episode.
>>70463156
Closest thing to Call of Duty in the 50s.
>>70463189
>>70463219
>>70463255
i get that but i'm searching for what attracted them towards the cowboy appeal... I'm looking for a more politically derived response
>>70463156
You got brainwashed by the Jews.
men back then used to be told to man up and make something for yourself.
These western MC's are the perfect example of what society expected of a "great" man.
these days men are raised to be woman, so they cant relate to a real manly hero.
>>70463156
>go have a beer with your dad and watch a western you kike
Our father showed us westerns.
We show our children Ghostbusters and Jurassic Park.
Our children will show their children The Avengers movies and whatever else is popular with kids now.
It's a cycle.
>>70463358
they have strong masculine ideals and typically conservative values
we've become more liberal so the strong cowboy character doesn't appeal as much
>>70463156
It depicted rawness
Classical westerns were the archetype, a strong manly man with a chiseled jaw fighting for justice against clear evil in a hopeless environment
And along the way, he just might get the girl too
Spaghetti westerns were the punk of westerns, fuck the established concepts. You have anti-heroes with stubble getting into fist fights and murdering. But they retained the classic unforgiving environment, and the anti-heroes were still to be looked up to
But they were films that knew their audience, famous western stars got famous due to their fit for the role instead of because of facebook or twitter
There weren't constant quips, they didn't have forced monologues revealing the characters' tragic pasts - because real men don't talk about their feelings. You might get a flashback or a side character mention it, but the heroes stayed emotionless
So they appeal to a lot of older men because they remind them of that old sense of masculinity before the 80s completely fucked it over
(though they tend to like 80s action films for the same reason but that's a different post)
>>70463554
>we show our children Ghostbusters and Jursassic Park
we're not even a part of that generation. we have nothing significant to show our generation. even if the monumental movie cam out during our time it's nothing alike to how people back then used to obsess over films through tv. as far as the art of cinema goes we'll be remembered as the age of television revival
>>70463878
>we
Speak for yourself kid.
>>70463878
>we have nothing significant to show our generation
Lord of the rings is something we can show.
the first matrix movie, fight club, etc...
oh wait, your 16?
then you can show icarly to your kids.
>>70463878
>we have nothing significant to show our generation
woah there lad, if you're not getting your kid a scorpian jacket for his tenth birthday and showing him Drive, you're a bad parent
>>70464051
you really think children growing up now will praise that shit tier movie? is that really your best movie? we have absolutely nothing to show for and it's depressing...
>>70464124
>bait.jpg
>>70463156
gtfo and go get drunk with your dad while watching tgtbtu you fucking ungrateful pleb
>>70464160
im fucking with you...you're a dumb asshole regardless
>>70463156
go spend time with him before he dies mang
>>70463156
This happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUacU0I4yU
I love westerns. So does a lot of people.
There's a lot of western movies and tv series out there. Just because you and your 4 friends don,t watch any doesn't mean shit.
>>70463156
Probably that rugged individualistic manliness you Americans are all yapping about when talking about manliness.
I really like Westerns, that and old Samurai movies are two of my favourite film genres.
>>70463189
Also what this guy said, I wish there were Knight movies that are actually good and historically accurate.
>>70464386
I think he'll be fine for the next decade, but I for sure know what you mean. I'm actually going to come up with some essential modern day films that I think he'd enjoy. No Country for Old Men I know he'd enjoy and he's never seen it. It's just a shame because we saw the last James Bond together and he desperately tried to nudge me every few scenes and laugh as if it was the original James Bond doing his things but it wasn't and it made me really depressed because i felt inclined to play along although i knew the movie sucked was drowning in pointless exposition and terrible action scenes. i just about cried on the way driving home. it's unfair m8
>>70464640
i think you could safely argue that westerns and samurai are really the same genre
Go watch Deadwood with your dad, you cocksucker!
>>70463986
Fuck of grandpa, ghostbusters is like 40 years old
>>70464497
She had pretty nice pussy hair. Shame about the fake tits.
NSFW link: http://www.thighswideshut.org/twsdo/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Sacheen-Littlefeather4.jpg
>>70463156
>but uninteresting to us in this day and age?
They may not be as popular as they once were but the Western will never die just because of how simple its genre conventions are, which is also what made it so appealing in the days of old school Hollywood. Even today you get at least a dozen high profile Westerns made every year.
>>70464674
No.
>>70464728
Yeah, and James Bond is like 300 years old.
>>70463156
I keep seeing this "tfw" term used about here. What does it mean? Sorry I am new, originally from Reddit but thinking of migrating over here.
Thanks in advance. Cheers.
>>70464771
>Even today you get at least a dozen high profile Westerns made ever year.
what...western's no longer exist m8. they only exist as a novelty. it's been nearly 60 years since westerns were the dominant genre in hollywood
>>70464701
This.
Or if it's a bit talky and he wants a more action Hell on Wheels is fun.
>>70464812
It's an aggronym of "time for wine"
>>70464779
Yes.
>>70464812
it means nigger bro! relax a bit
I think the appeal of westerns is the idea of total masculine freedom. Just look at Clint Eastwood movies. He could be ruthless bandit, taking whatever he wants. Or he could be the unsung hero who saves the day. Clint Eastwood is THE definition of masculinity in his movies. Then if you look at the period when westerns became so popular, it's the same time that men in america were becoming domesticated and living suburban lives.
I this is why I enjoy westerns. The wild west was like a completely open world video game where you could be so expressive, and that was basically reality not too long ago.
Westerns were communist, it's always the lone folk hero against the capitalist robber barons and the railroad and shit. Can't have people thinking the wrong thing nowadays.
>>70464855
pleasebeatrollpleasebeatrollpleasebeatroll
>>70464930
No. They're almost opposites.
>>70464974
Daily reminder that you were born too late to explore wild west or Africa or India and too soon to explore the universe, but right in time to explore dank memes on the interweb.
We went from westerns to juvenile capeshit, what the fuck went wrong?
>>70464909
>>70465014
>Westerns were communist
i can see your point but that isn't what became of the fanbase. conservative men love westerns and it seems as if the liberals don't particularly pertain to westerns as much. westerns served a purpose towards something more nationalistic. time frame post WWII pre Cold War america at that time was predominantly nationalistic
>>70465132
This too lol they were nazi communist propaganda what the fuck how was it allowed lol thank G-d for Marvel and DC no matter what side you're on the nerd spirit lives haha salute fellow Nerd+
>>70465189
I didn't imply that at all you memy prick
I loce westerns as much as my dad
>>70465065
they are the same tropes in different skins...
muh sword/gun, muh honor/moral code & muh duty/revenge
Your dad sounds like a bro.
Westerns aren't dead. There's a few made every year. Unforgiven won best Oscar. So did Dances with Wolves.
More recently Tarantula made Django and Hateful 8. Very popular movies with the "younger" folks.
The Revenant.
Deadwood. Hell on Wheels.
True Grit remake.
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford. 3:10 to Yuma.
Fuck, now I'm in the mood for watching a western.
>>70465250
Don't forget Bone Tomahawk, GOAT film
>>70465250
Those aren't westerns, they're other genres in the wild west setting.
>>70465244
No. You're completely wrong.
>>70465014
>>70465132
Or how about your political narratives are not reflected in fictional stories about revenge, greed, and heroism. If anything, they're libertarian. The whole idea was being a self serving individual that got shit done in a harsh world where law was subjective. FFS in The Good The Bad and The Ugly, they used the civil war as a means to their end.
>>70465290
>they're other genres in the wild west setting
That's quite literally the definition of western
>>70465301
how convincing
>>70465325
>>Or how about your political narratives are not reflected in fictional stories about revenge, greed, and heroism.
Class struggle is the only historical struggle worth mentioning though. It's all that history is about. Westerns are all about the revolutionary hero redistributing wealth from the capitalist parasites to the exploited proletariat.
>>70465250
>The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Not even remotely a western.
>>70465365
Western and Samurai movies may have a few similar themes, that doesn't make them the same.
>>70465325
I'm more partial to that argument you just made. Especially when it pertains to Civil War bias. When you watch American film you can find an odd bias towards either the confederates or the union applied to storytelling. If you're interested most westerns are actually pro-confederate propaganda for whatever reason. hollywood has had a history for attempting to justify and proliferate the southern cause. just another way of looking at movies from that time. btw lemme know of a single pro-union film you've seen from that time period
>>70465378
You're not even remotely straight.
>>70465374
I want you to try and outline this retarded narrative using a western film, and then when you realize you can't, kill yourself
>>70465374
>redistributing wealth from the capitalist parasites to the exploited proletariat.
The old west was laissez faire as fuck anon.
>>70464663
He might like 3:10 to Yuma. However, old westerns are comfy and relaxing, with no jump cuts and shaky camera work.
>>70465473
>>I want you to try and outline this retarded narrative using a western film,
Ok, which one? How about Shane?
Revolutionary hero Shane learns about the plot of a capitalist cattle baron exploiting the proletarian ranchers and taking their meager means of production for himself to consolidate it and doom them into permanent slavery. Shane fucks the capitalist's shit up, redistributes the capital among the proletariat, and leaves them to live a happy productive life in their self-governing socialist commune.
Was this really so hard to understand by yourself?
>>70465448
If you can watch Josey Wales and not at least feel sympathetic to the confederacy, you're blind and deaf. Unless you want to believe that the civil war was literally good/evil, intelligent/stupid.
and there are plenty of pro-union films. The union fucking won, and now everybody thinks that the civil war was the good guys vs the Nazis. It's not "propaganda" to portray something as other than the prominent narrative.
>If you're interested most westerns are actually pro-confederate propaganda
You say this as if i've never watched a movie before. I'm just gonna assume you're projecting and are not a fan of the genre at all.
>>70463358
Because a while ago, it was alright to be in a room with 20 other people who all had the same favorite movie or who all said their favorite band was the Beatles. In post-modern, Internet-saturated society people have come to need to set themselves apart more aggressively, lest they find copies of themselves all over the place and feel invalidated and non-unique.
The western genre simply rises to the top because of its intuitively simple aspects: ruggedness, law-of-the-land, save the girl, etc. All you see people doing is fighting, loving, and playing cards, and drinking. Sounds pretty chill when the protag almost never dies in the fighting.
>>70465132
>westerns served a purpose towards something more nationalistic
holy shit, you couldn't actually be more wrong
Classical westerns were conservative I agree but still embraced the idea of individualism, relying on that one individual to save the weak
Spaghetti westerns were made by europeans and were solely individualistic. If you watch leone and corbucci's stuff, they're also the exact opposite of nationalist in their treatment of americans and mexicans as both having good and bad people and literally no one giving a fuck about the borders
Stop injecting your own political leanings onto films that don't give a shit about them
>>70465730
Westerns are pro-Trump so fuck them and fuck you racist fuck.
>>70465437
considering a surprising number of the most famous westerns are remakes of samurai movies with guns instead of swords, you're full of shit
>>70465751
what the fuck are you even saying?
>>70465676
You make Westerns sound cliché and boring. They weren't. A lot of them weren't just about manly men fighting and being awesome. There was the whole rancher aspect. The big city/government/rich assholes politics vs frontiers people.
>>70465777
>are remakes of samurai movies with guns instead of swords
It's the exact opposite, Kurosawa would have never had a career without John Ford
>>70465647
>people helping people = political ideology
How do people like you even function in the real world thinking like this? This is an insane contrivance of the movie and the ideology you're representing. What you have just described is literally how a libertarian/anarchist society functions. Not how leftist fantasies function. A community member protecting HIS interests and the interests of people around him is NOT socialism or communism, you dumb fuck. The protagonist in a western is a lone wolf, not an arm of a government or a symbol of the people.
Your bullshit doesn't make sense and it's unwarranted to begin with. Take your autism to /leftypol/ and stay there.
>>70465777
You are. A few movies=/=an entire genre.
>>70465666
i'm not projecting m8. just looking for some insight
>>70465730
>Stop injecting your won political leanings onto films that don't give a shit about them
I wasn't? You can find countless American westerns that serve as pro southern cause propaganda; friendly persuasion, shenandoah, i can't think of anything else in particular. maybe even some of those lincoln films made in the 40's are pro-southern.
>>70465777
>>70465777
Watch more samurai movies.
Besides, like >>70465894 said, some later Samurai movies (like Yojimbo) are molded after western movies.
>>70465777
Let me reach back to 2005 so I can *facepalm*
Most Samurai movies are more in the vein of Knights movies. Not errand Knights, but the whole court/army thing.
>>70465997
yes, and then those same samurai movies (like yojimbo) were directly copied (a fistful of dollars) as westerns....
both genres borrowed heavily from one another
future generations will think the same about millennials and their capeshit
>>70465288
Is that the one where the guy gets split in half?
>>70466126
No. A few samurai movies were influnced by westerns, but that's all. Watch a few more samurai movies and you'll see they don't have much in common with westerns. They're more like Army/Medieval Knights movies.
>>70465979
I don't think you understand what the word "propaganda" means. Maybe, ironically, it's because you're so conditioned with this specific narrative that you think anything that deviates from it even slightly is literally Hitler.
I mean, god damn, the south was fought by people, not monsters. The civil war was not good vs evil. They were all Americans and it was an emotional roller coaster for everybody. Many people in the Union were forced into service who didn't want to be there. Then most people in the confederate army were acting as a reaction to Lincoln declaring fucking war on them. Your simplistic revisionist views on this are ignorant at best.
>>70466126
kurosawa admitted yojimbo was a rip of some american book written in the 20s
>>70465912
>>How do people like you even function in the real world thinking like this?
People helping people = socialism
People exploiting people = capitalism
Prove me wrong.
>>70466224
>>70466224
And let's not forget the Samurai movies influenced by ol' Willy Sakespear himself, like Throne of Blood.
A lot of the most well known (to western audiences) samurai movies aren't really samurai movies. They're other culture's ideas in a samurai suit.
>>70465912
>A community member protecting HIS interests
They weren't his interests, he moved on to start a revolution in the next town as soon as it was over. He was like Christ, the original communist, completely selfless.
>>70466296
>>70466320
kill yourself, commie scum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWGELXvgkGc
>>70466293
i know it was.... but then his popular rip off was ripped off and helped revamp westerns. i've only been saying they borrow heavily both ways.
>>70465888
Nice trips, but of course they are generally pretty simple movies. I'm not shitting on people who love them, though. Obviously those people are capable of appreciating more complex movies as well. I'm providing a reason for why westerns happen to be their favorite movies. That reason, as I've said, is more societal than personal.
>>70466433
But the point is that Yojimbo (and the Dollars movie) are just a small part of the genre. On a general scale, westerns and samurai movies are differerent as fuck.
>>70465378
>>70466259
i'm not conditioned at all, actually.
>Hitler
That's the easy way out for you i guess.
i never criticized the south. the southern cause has been promoted throughout hollywood for years. it has nothing to do with politics and has everything to do with the underdog story. look at any civil war movie made post 2010....African American plight still serves the same underdog story as the confederate plight throughout it. Seriously...
>>70466376
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IfHDi-2EA
>>70466639
>i'm not conditioned at all, actually
oh of course not. My mistake, Reddit.
>African American plight still serves the same underdog story as the confederate plight
So would that also be "propaganda", genius?
>>70466789
why are you being an asshole? yes i would still call it propaganda. why don't you tell me why the confederate plight as it pertains to hollywood isn't at all similar to the african american plight. you fail to recognize that hollywood is and will always be an amplification of controversy
>>70466941
You're telling me that slavery and civil rights in movies is "propaganda"? That's what you're saying, correct?
>>70463358
Nothing attracted them to cowboys and shit. It was literally all they had.
>>70467020
yes, actually. that's documented, btw
>>70467180
Your dad's grandparents and great grandparents were around when cowboys existed. They'll be the ones who eventually inspire a romanticism for the west in their kids who will make the TV shows about the west that your dad's generation will watch. We don't care too much about westerns because it's too far away.
>>70466296
Socialism is more like a lot of people killing a large amount of people for their own gain.
>>70466293
this is funny and annoying because when he sued leone for ripping off yojimbo, leone said in his defense the exact same thing yet the courts still ruled against him
>>70463156
>uninteresting to us
>>70464974
Just so you know that conception of the American West as a lawless land of masculine heroes and dastardly villains is a wholesale fabrication of penny dreadfuls and the reality was actually very boring.
>>70468463
Oh really? Did you figure that out all by yourself?
>>70464974
>The wild west was like a completely open world video game
Jesus Christ fuck off
My dad is the same, the tone is from a different time, they grew up with these movies. Makes you think, kids today are growing up next to modern hollywood, and thats quite sad.
>>70469510
But that's exactly what it was. You could do anything and then just move to the next town with no consequences, like Skyrim with guns.
complete dogshit but pretty charming T B H
>>70464497
>all those racist leftists and disinfo agents in the comments
Marxism was a mistake.
We really should've killed all the Natives.
>>70463156
I like westerns you metro nigger. Good bad and the ugly I think is one of the most well made pieces of cinema, it's 3 hours long and there's very little fat on it.
Cowboy movies are ultimate comfy. A cowboy movie these days would be awful.
>attractive female love interest, but also a sharp shooter, who doesn't take shit off no one
>a million jiggs just to show that jiggs existed back then.
I should also mention that OP is a retard that disappointed his dad every step of the way, probably got tattoos to cover up his insecurity and be a trendy fuck, and is too ADD riddled to be able to watch a movie that doesn't have fast and furious LD enabling pacing.
