1. Heat
2. Collateral
3. Manhunter
4. Miami Vice
5. The Insider
6. Thief
7. Public Enemies
8. Blackhat
9. Ali
10. The Keep
12. Last of the Mohicans
1. Manhunter
2. Miami Vice
After that, Thief or Heat. Collateral is one of his lesser films.
All shit.
First ones are too surface level pleb crap, rest are pretty much failed abortions (wev) that only have good cinematography
I love the second half of Theif but the first part is just "okay" am I a pleb? Also it should have a jazz soundtrack not synth
When will the 3 hour directors cut of The Keep be released by criterion?
>>70319852
>am I a pleb?
> it should have a jazz soundtrack not synth
This just answers itself.
>>70319794
>it's a ''Collateral is one of his lesser films, Miami Vice is one of his best'' meme opinion post
fucking kys
>>70319678
>8. Blackhat
pleb detected
>>70319903
But it's true. Collateral is so strict, Miami Vice is so free.
'no'1. MIAMI VICE
2. BLACKHAT
3. THE INSIDER
4. MANHUNTER
5. ALI
6. THIEF
7. COLLATERAL
8. HEAT
9.PUBLIC ENEMIES
10. THE KEEP
11. THE LAST OF THE MOHICANS
>>70319903
Collateral is a pretty basic action film. It's good - nice aesthetic, silly ending - but pretty conventional stuff, lacking the tour de force execution of something like Heat.
1. Miami Vice
2. Thief
3. Collateral
4. Heat
5. Manhunter
6. The Insider
7. Blackhat
8. Ali
9. Public Enemies
10. Last of the Mohicans
I haven't seen The Keep yet.
>Mannfags
GAS THEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT EM OUT
>>70319955
so vague that it's meaningless and says nothing about the quality of the films
>>70320022
>unironically using ''tour de force''
come on
>>70320152
It does. Collateral IS GRR IM FILMMAKING LOOK GRR ACT AND GO while Miami Vice feels spontaneous and free of limitations.
>>70319794
>>70319971
>>70320068
surprised by the miami vice love - totally agree, should've had that at #2
>>70319832
could you tell me your favorite american directors that are between 60-80 years old?
>>70319678
The Keep ( true patrician kino ) > The Thief >
The Manhunter > The Heat > shit > rest
>>70320383
John Ford lived to 79, Terrence Malick is 72, Brian De Palma is 75 or something, Clint Eastwood holy shit 8-fucking-6.
Those are my favorite granpa directors from USofA
What an odd question?
>>70319895
It's just a very jazzy movie
>>70320583
which version of the keep have you seen? i've only seen it once, and apparently watched a shit version that had been butchered. not sure where to get the other joint tho
When will Michael Mann direct a capeshit film?
>>70319678
Pretty good. Collateral is a little too high for me but other than that, I like it.
>>70320625
Michael mann > brian de palma
de palma is more like friedkin-tier
Why are Mann's films so watchable? I once watched Manhunter five days in a row and am probably about to watch Blackhat for the third time in less than 48hrs.
Am I just fucked up?
>>70320152
>come on
Heat is the best heist film I've seen, whereas Collateral is nowhere near the best of anything. In your mind, what distinguishes the film?
>>70320583
also L.A. Takedown which was as good as Heat.
>>70320662
The long one. I'd seen the vhs one years ago and thought it was awesome, the atmosphere is great.
>>70320710
While I respect your opinion, I don't have to agree with it.
>>70320662
The "real" version has never been released and the footage probably doesn't even exist anymore
And Mann could care less about putting together a directors cut
The only people who saw the full version were coked up studio heads
>>70320695
never. would be dope to see him do a space movie tho
>>70320720
Not at all. He uses every aspect of 'cinema' very effectively.
>>70320710
Friedkin is way better than de Palma.
>>70320625
John Ford died four decades ago. I just wanted to know which directors that are from Mann's generation that you liked. Thanks for the anwser, fäm. We have similar taste (aside from your Mann slander ofc)
>>70320661
No, it's a neo-noir. Jazz is more for Melville.
Also, jazz sucks balls and is for pretentious tryhards.
>>70320695
He already did Hancock
>>70320783
Post your letterboxd
>>70319678
>3. Manhunter
manhunter is fucking trash
>dat final scene editing
who thought that looked good enough to release?
>>70320839
You're an idiot.
>>70320766
Not even close. Friedkin makes classed up B-movies. DePalma makes B-movies into high art.
>>70320794
What do you mean by this?
>>70320872
says the manfag
lmao get fucked loser
>>70320902
pretty sure he meant mann produced it/berg is kind of his protege
>>70320958
Ah I see, I wasn't aware.
>>70320745
I was thinking about this the other day. I was thinking about how impossible it would be to translate his films to the stage, even though you could do that with a lot of films. The soul of his films lie in those things unique to modern filmmaking, music, sound design, depth of field, props and costume changes. It fascinates me how in some moments he almost seems to totally disregard dialogue as a means of storytelling, favouring sound and atmosphere instead.
That said, he's my unpopular pick for a Neuromancer movie. Mann's approach is the cinematic equivalent of Gibson's world building; detailed descriptions of surfaces, brands and other superficialities.
>>70319678
No Spartan. Fucking pleb list OP
>all these fags putting Mohicans last, below The Keep even
>little boys' reverence for the dully conventional Collateral because SO BADASS SO OPERATORCORE
do most people even understand the appeal of michael mann
Why does /tv/ hate The Insider so much? It's literally the only great script he wrote, really gripping stuff.
>>70319852
Tangerine Dream did a top 10 soundtrack of all time for Thief.
>that beach scene theme
>>70320839
You're a pleb. Manhunter is a brilliant movie. Pure 80's kino.
>>70321111
>he watches 4 the plot
The rankings are relative: I think all of these are at least good except for the Jericho Mile and L.A. Takedown.
>>70321111
Saw Last of the Mohicans just yesterday and while effective it's not on par with usual Mann kino.
The soundtrack in particular is very bland, both the music and the sound effects. Which is very damaging to Mann's directing that relies a lot on non-voice sound for narration.
>>70321132
No, it should have a jazz soundtrack, daddy-o.
BLACKHAT DIRECTORS CUT WHEN
>>70321038
>That said, he's my unpopular pick for a Neuromancer movie. Mann's approach is the cinematic equivalent of Gibson's world building; detailed descriptions of surfaces, brands and other superficialities.
He was actually going to do an adaptation of Count Zero after Heat.
>>70321101
TRIGGERED
>>70321114
His masterpiece along with Heat, but it has no gunfights, so it doesn't get much play among the 20-something males for whom Mann is interchangeable with The Boondock Saints or Man of Steel.
>>70321413
pre-digital mann is fucking plebby.
then again
digital mann is fucking plebby too, but less so
>>70321301
I wonder in what manner of world jazz fits an über-80s esthetics as Thief with neons everywhere and its fusion of sterilized and gritty elements.
Not that jazz isn't shit anywhere, but it would be particularly misplaced here.
>>70321413
>He was actually going to do an adaptation of Count Zero after Heat.
Holy shit. According to this he must still have the the rights. A Gibson script directed by Mann would be a personal wet dream.
>>70320791
Jazz sucks by itself but is great in a movie
>>70321272
>The soundtrack in particular is very bland, both the music and the sound effects.
...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ryJDVuZ6k
>>70321538
Every film without a jazz soundtrack is innately flawed.
>>70321114
>tfw Michael Mann isn't the one making the Snowden movie
>>70321540
It's generic as fuck. It even has an "epic" vibe.
This is the kind of easy emotional melodramatic stuff I don't mind being edgy against.
when is the ferrari film coming?
btw, how the fuck does he still gets funding?
What's he working on right now?
>>70321985
>>70321959
Ferrari was planned to be shot this summer in Italy until Bale dropped out, so they will probably shoot next summer. Also Mann is working on his publishing projects (Heat prequel novel, Tony Accardo novel) and developing tv shows.
>>70321959
you mean the commercial he directed?
>>70322081
what is ferrari?
he's writing books?
>>70322081
Eeesh, Blackhat hit him hard, huh? Seeing him jump back into TV could be interesting, considering the current climate and how seminal Miami Vice was in the 80s.
>>70322119
He's working on novels with other writers that he may eventually turn into films that he may or may not direct.
http://deadline.com/2016/04/michael-mann-books-harper-collins-heat-prequel-don-winslow-tony-accardo-sam-giancana-1201735560/
>>70321303
this
please Universal
we need it
>>70322157
>Winslow & Mann.
eh shit writer and shit director doesn't equal good
>>70322152
>Blackhat hit him hard
Well if you watch Heat that trash plays like a fucking high light reel of television show and Miami Vice was his so~ it makes sense for him to do TV stuff even if Blackhat had been success.
>>70322085
he is (supposedly) doing a film about enzo ferrari
>>70321820
it's like i'm really on /mu/
>>70321820
>>70319678
>12. Last of the Mohicans
Please fucking kill yourself. Here's the real list:
1. Heat
2. Last of the Mohicans
3. Collateral
4. The Insider
5. Manhunter
6. Thief
7. Spartan
<----------------
9999. MIami Vice, Blackhat, Ali, The Keep, Public Enemies
>>70319971
>>70320068
Worst opinions I have ever seen on /tv/
Is he the king of no-dialogue hyper-stylized moments?
Collateral > Miami Vice > The Insider > Heat > Manhunter > Blackhat > Thief > Ali > Public Enemies > Last of the Mohicans > The Keep
The Keep is the only legitimately bad movie he's made, and everything up until Manhunter is flawless.
must admit theatrical version of last of the mohicans is 8/10 vs directors cut that is 6/10
>>70322459
I hope that one day you'll be able to comprehend the masterpiece that is Miami Vice, kiddo
>>70322490
Hell no. He can't fucking stage, direct actors or write a believable relationship between characters
>>70321820
Its one of the best epic movie soundtracks of all time you fucking scumbag.
>>70322403
>>70322459
>conventional storytelling is the most important part of a film
pls stop posting
>>70322490
obviously
Heat, Thief and Miami Vice...the original series.
>>70322563
Hey steakbro
>>70322532
It was a steaming pile of shit. You guys aren't fooling anyone outside of this retarded Mongolian anime board.
>>70322403
>7. Spartan
ok is this the birth of an epic new meme or is there really a popular misconception that michael mann had anything to do with the movie spartan
>>70321101
Mann didnt make spartan.
>>70322630
why do i feel like i'm being stalked
>>70322506
The Keep is as good as his other films made around that period. The only truly bad things he's done are his tv directing credits up until the Luck pilot. Of course I haven't seen his early short films and docs.
>>70322637
Michael Mann-David Mamet collabo when?
>>70322735
The original cut of The Keep is probably incredible, but the hack job that got released is a disaster.
>>70322706
I don't know bro we keep bumping into each other at random threads. Followed you day or two ago in Letterboxd (I'm the fag who recommended Dust in the Wind and 13 Hours for you)
When will Public Enemies get its due as the masterpiece it clearly is?
>>70322563
>>70322706
keep posting mann stills, fäm
>>70322845
>>70322826
It took my a while but I eventually liked it after a few watches
>>70322826
it feels like Mann's films usually take around 10 years to get wider recognition
keep waiting
>>70322845
i only have caps from MIAMI VICE
>>70322826
Literally everyone can agree that Public Enemies is lower tier Mann. Just let it go.
>>70322909
i like it, and i understand why some people see it as a masterpiece, but it's not one of my favorites.
>>70322896
I know that feel, bro. It wasn't until my fourth viewing that I loved it. Before that I hated it.
>>70322896
>second time watching Blackhat
>realise the aqueduct and carnival scenes mirror the CGI shots of microscopic data transmission
Call me a pleb for only noticing after two viewings but simple little flourishes like that are why I love Mann.
>>70323022
and simple trash like that is why I find him insulting in the same vein as Villeneuve. Surface level symbolism and allegories masquerading as something 'deep'
thief wasn't very good. i mean it has alright visuals here and there, but there wasn't much else.
THEY WERE ALL DRAWN TO THE KEEP
>>70323079
I don't think it was meant to be deep, it's a simple visual metaphor done for viewing pleasure.
>>70323082
The heist scene is GOAT.
>>70323119
Wrong.
>>70319678
1. Thief
2. Heat
3. Collateral
The rest is well shot garbage.
>>70323082
Frank's monologue in the cafe is one of my favorite scenes in Mann's films.
>>70323079
there is nothing wrong with making a simple, functional, and effective film. that's exactly what Villeneuve does. he's also clearly capable of delving into more serious fare - ENEMY is one of the best Lynchian films without Lynch's name on it.
>>70323079
I think you're confusing two very different visual techniques.
>>70323154
Ok.
>>70323174
Villeneuve is straight dog shit and it comes to me as a no surprise that someone that'd like bottom of the barrel trash like Mann would like his empty shit flicks.
Random flaunting 'PRETTY' with caps lock imagery of soldiers going to have some potshots of random farmers and retards in a film that's supposed to be some sort of 'shock' for public when the fact it was based on is a fucking common knowledge since the 80s at least.
Fuck both of them just straight bustas
>>70323315
>going to have some potshots of random farmers and retards
the fuck are you talking about? did you even watch the movie before deciding you hated it?
One of Mann's favourite shots: a person framed from behind with their ear in the centre of the shot. This example is from the Luck pilot.
>>70319678
miami vice over thief
is that a joke?
>>70323384
no
THIEF is one of his best conventionally plotted films, but it's outshined by the anti-Hollywood nature of his post-HEAT work.
>>70321111
>>70321272
How anyone doesn't think The Last of The Mohicans is one of if not the best of Mann I will not understand
>>70321540
this guy gets it - just listening to this brings me chills to one of the best ending sequences to a film ever. I need to see this again
Every list that hasn't Public Enemies at the bottom is worthless.
>>70321820
gr8 b8 m8
>>70319678
1. heat
2. the last of the mohicans
3. thief
4. collateral
5. miami vice
6. manhunter
the rest is trash.
Begone, plebs!
Are his non crime thrillers worth watching? They all look pretty bad.
>>70320791
>being this much of a faggot
Kys dude
1. Heat
2. The Insider
3. Thief
4. Collateral
5. The Keep
6. Miami Vice
7. Public Enemies
I have not seen The Last of the Mohicans, Manhunter, Ali and Blackhat.
>>70324855
This is a stupid question and a stupid assumption
>>70319678
From what I've seen
1. Heat
2. Miami Vice (original series)
3. Manhunter
4. Collateral
5. Thief
6. Blackhat
7. Miami Vice (motion picture)
8. Public Enemies
>she will never see her lover again
>>70325206
What do you think of this guys' list? Pretty plebby, but he does rank everything - not just the directing credits.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_completist/2015/01/michael_mann_movies_ranked_from_heat_to_ali_to_miami_vice_to_the_last_of.html
GREAT
1-Thief
GOOD
2-Heat
3-The Insider
BAD
4-Manhunter
5-Collateral
6-The Last of the Mohicans
7-Public Enemies
SHIT
8-Blackhat
haven't see ali, miami vice and the keep, anyway still a hack with pleb fans
>>70325306
>I’m sure I won’t get any arguments for putting Heat at No. 1.
stopped reading
>>70325343
>>70325306
I don't agree with his order but he really does understand Mann. He also highlights exactly what I like about the otherwise forgettable Public Enemies.
>>70325343
I honestly can't fathom how anyone wouldn't enjoy Heat.
>>70325585
it's not that i don't enjoy HEAT. HEAT is a great film. it's also vastly overrated. it's one of Mann's least creative or visionary films. everything about it works, but it doesn't do anything more than that.
>>70322866
>It took my a while but I eventually liked it after a few watche
how do you get over the digital camera? it looks like he filmed with a motorola RAZR
1. Miami Vice
2. Blackhat
3. Manhunter
4. Public Enemies
5. Heat
6. Thief
7. The Insider
8. Last of the Mohicans
9. Ali
This is objective.
Mann seems to be like the Coens, generating the most wildly different rankings
![seal-team-6-uses-tomahawks-created-by-last-of-the-mohicans-weapons-master[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Udu7YOU.jpg "seal-team-6-uses-tomahawks-created-by-last-of-the-mohicans-weapons-master[1].jpg")
the last of the mohicans is a fucking great film. considering the source material, and the stagecraft, the film is a masterpiece.
also, pic related scene is goat.
>>70320817
what a laff
Don't get why heat is considered an amazing movie and even an amazing heist movie when the heist takes a very small part of it
>>70327373
This is contrarian
>>70327168
It gives the images a rawness and immediacy, an expressiveness, like what is being shown is happening right now. It is one of the movie's strengths.
>>70327373
The only objective list would be one that acknowledges he became great late in his career, but your list having Ali last fails at this.
>all these literal plebs ranking Mohicans last
Just why? I have no words for you pieces of trash
>>70322555
Tangerine Dream are an epic band in Europe. Check their other albums too.
>>70322515
>>70322515
I have an HD fan edit of the theatrical cut, which I don't think I've ever seen. Is it really that drastic of a difference?
Are Mann's music choices going to date his films?
This song playing over the final scenes of Miami Vice is so perfect. It sums up all the emotions of the action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAWL_bdpXWA
The music in Mannhunter does distance me a bit, though. :/
>>70330530
Yes, Miami Vice is spectacularly great in its use of music. But then you talk about Manhunter and you sound like a pleb
>>70330530
>>70325272
Just noticed these two shots are the same: a woman looking back on her lover she will never see again.
>>70319678
Manhunter was amazing, I haven't seen the rest.
>Back to work
>>70330672
Same shot in HEAT as well, famu
>>70323315
Hey, I dislike Villeneuve as well, discussed this here the other day, but Mann isn't quite so pleb
>>70332270
Why do you dislike villeneuve?
What is Mann's best TV work?
Miami Vice
Crime Story
Vega$
Starsky and Hutch
Police Story
Drug Wars: The Camarena Story
Drug Wars: The Cocaine Cartel
Robbery Homicide Division
Luck
Witness
Police Woman
The Jericho Mile
L.A. Takedown
For directing: the Luck Pilot
For writing: his episodes of Police Story, specifically the two-parter about the undercover cop
For producing/overall: Robbery Homicide Division - great done-in-one-episode cop show
>>70319678
I like this list. Though I would put Blackhat higher. Extremely underrated film. Loved when Based Hemsworth shanked the guy in the middle of the crowd.
