why did season 2 have to be so garbage?
like i get that its still the wire and its high quality and all that, but wow i have never cared less about anything in my life than Frank Sobotka, niko, the greeks etc.
ziggy was cool bc he was insane
season 2 is the ultimate pleb filter. delete this thread and don't post anymore unless you want to embarrass yourself further.
>>70305399
>>70305374
i circumvented the filter bc i know its supposed to be pleb filter
im js niko and frank suck
like im not an idiot who hates characters im js some combination of a boring actor and a dumb character and slow dull plot concerning them it just fucks
>>70305294
Why did Freamon turn from the first season from a insightful, quiet, low key humble intelligent man into the 'black' character from Tropic Thunder?
>>70305374
>pleb filter
back to r3ddit you massive autistic faggot
Good Morning Wirefags
>>70305294
Everything after season 1 sucked the feces from my asshole and asked for more
>>70305294
I knew a guy like Ziggy in real life, he liked to randomly pull his dick out when he was drunk. He was actually kicked out of a nightclub once because he walked to the front of the stage and whipped it out.
>>70305468
its true. the fastest way to find a breaking bad and GOT fan is to find someone who hates season 2 of the wire
>>70305578
6 feet under>>>>Breaking Bad>>>getting raped by niggers>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Wire
>>70305660
See?
Great thread OP
Good work
>>70305294
What? S2 is even worse than S1? How did they manage that? I'm having a hard time going through the first season because it's utter garbage. Who cares about a bunch of niggers? Sopranos for life.
>le wire is awesome meme
Kys
The Wire is the most overrated show I have ever seen in my life.
>>70305294
>>70305448
>>70305468
>>70305508
>>70305660
>>70305804
>>70305815
the b8 is working gr8
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>>70305294
WARP SPEED DON'T READING RAINBOW ME NIGGA
>>70305294
Warp speed, don't rainbow read me nigga
>>70305898
>>70305925
aw fuck that was the quote. Welp.
>>70305548
>>I knew a guy like Ziggy in real life,
and what happens to him now?
>>70305989
He was driving one rainy night and the roads were slick
>>70305853
redditor confirmed
take your fucking generic pleb opinions home where they belong.
>>70305578
>grouping GOT and breaking bad
what the fuck
>>70305815
i remember watching it way after all the hype died down and the show had been over for quiet some time.
everyone always went on about how great it was. I mean, it was a decent show but I don't see myself ever re watching it.
season 2 is the reddit season.
>>70305853
What is your favourite flavour of sperm?
>>70305815
it is overrated
its rated so highly bc its seen as realistic and for being a cop show and crime-side show at the same time
ofc there are still a lot of cliches, but it avoids most of them
also its hbo
the acting and writing also cant be faulted.
the slowness is the part that doesnt get critiqued enough
>>70305548
I had a friend in college who liked to do that
>Mfw he was Irish and it looked like a goddamn flesh acorn
>>70305453
He suppressed his inner blackness in the property room. But when he gets to be real police again, he reverts to Shaftmode. They never talk about why he was down there for so many years. It probably had something to do with his negritude.
>>70305294
Season two was great. Based HBO execs forced them to take it out of the ghetto and it worked.
Muh tide tables.
you didn't like season 2 because you don't like or understand the working class. frank sobotka is the best proletarian hero shown on tv.
>>70306262
The wire is the best post 2000 to show in America.
Better than Breaking Bad, Sopranos, The Shield. It has elements of all of them rolled into one.
You have terrible taste, you don't know what you're talking about.
>>70306309
Especially since glimpses of it were apparent in Season 1, between his weird hobbies and his thing for the hot Chaka Khan-lookalike stripper who he later starts dating.
He was as always someone you sensed had an "interesting" past, even in season 1.
>>70306318
i understand him i get it
theres nothing wrong w his character or the acting
im js
bc of him and nick
season 2 is worse than season 1
>>70305660
six feet under was fucking terrible after season 2
>>70306341
did i ever say it wasnt the best show?
i implied it yes
im sorry for that
with this thread i was aiming for ppl who get why the shows so great but also get what i mean when i say
season 2 is a bitch when it comes to frank and nick
I'm rewatching the series for the first time, currently at the end of the 4th season.
I've enjoyed it all but definitely find some of the school stuff in S4 tough.
Bodie best character for sure.
>>70306318
Yup, and I currently live in Baltimore City, too.
Season 2 is also about how all the dinduism that is rampant in Season 1 is the direct fallout from the jobs leaving.
Frank is an upstanding man who is pushed to the sorts of crime schemes that were common in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s out of desperation and a desire to maintain his standard of living amidst dwindling blue-collar opportunities.
His older brother represents the people who would rather live in poverty than turn to crime.
The rampant 80s and 90s dindu behavior exhibited by Nicky and Ziggy once they realize they have no chance in hell of making a living at the docks shows how quickly it can all go to shit once the working class has no better opportunities.
TLDR: Season 2 is about how dindu behavior is inevitable when the jobs go away, and though it features blue collar whites, it essentially could have been a flashback to the 80's where Frank is Avon Barksdale's dad working as a foreman at the GM Plant where work is winding down, and Avon/Stringer are his kids who get into the game when they realize there's no future for them at the factory.
>>70306422
stop trying to make "js" happen
>>70306517
I'm convinced that David Simon is secretly Margaret Sanger-style eugenicist, though he knows he can never come out and say it.
Because every time I watch season 4, the underlying theme, beneath all the superficial stuff about the schools, no child left behind-driven testing, and the shitty circumstances that the kids are born into, is that most of the kids were basically born into unbeatably shitty circumstances, that are all but inescapable without herculean interventions or deus ex machinas like Namond getting adopted, and the only way to truly break the cycle is to prevent them from being born in the first place.
And that face becomes so glaring by the end of the season that I have to think it was written that way on purpose.
>>70306184
They're both quintessential reddit shows. But Breaking Bad is miles better.
>>70306309
It's literally stated that he was sent to pawnshop for convicting someone with political connections
>>70306773
Why can't Americans spell porn?
>>70306709
>the only way to truly break the cycle is to prevent them from being born in the first place.
I don't think you could successfully argue that this was somehow implied but it certainly does paint a very bleak outlook
>>70306605
>a desire to maintain his standard of living
in fairness i don't think we ever see him doing anything with his money but helping out his coworkers
>>70306341
Mad Men > The Sopranos > Deadwood > The Wire
>>70306886
The Sopranos>Mad Men>>The Wire>>>Deadwood
>>70306886
>>70306995
Sopranos=The Wire>>Mad Men>>>>>>>>>>all else
>>70307054
>>70306995
>>70306886
The The> Dead Wire> Mad Sopranos> Men Wood
>>70306709
You got the message perfectly then ruined it by taking it further with stupid /pol/ style bullshit. Just stop watching
season 2 is the ultimate pleb filter/test, it works so many different ways its just ridiculous.
If they don't make it, if they like it because less niggers, if they hate it, if they don't understand why mcnultys riding the boat half the season, if they don't get why they stopped looking at drug dealers, shit just goes on and on.
What the fuck was up with Niko showing up at that new docks project revelation that the new Mayor was doing? Wasn't he supposed to be in witness protection?
>watches S2
>favorite thing about it is Ziggy
fucking pleb.
>>70306736
breaking bad was cursed by its likability
>>70308370
not my favorite thing at all sir
Did Ziggy have Aspbergers?
>>70305344
Was she supposed to be a qt, or is this just me?
>>70308894
shes homely
>>70306832
David Simon goes to great pains to demonstrate that basically none of the interventions are anywhere near what normal people would call "successful".
Reading between the lines from what he did show, the 600lb gorilla in the room of season 4 is the fact that there IS a solution that prevents kids from having to grow up in the horrific circumstances that the boys do. It's just a solution that society is irrationally uncomfortable with.
And I'd bet that Simon wrote it that way on purpose.
At the beginning of Season 4, if he came out and said
>The best and only way to break the cycle of multi-generational poverty is to prevent people from being born into it in the first place
you (the viewer) would tell him >REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GO BACK TO /POL/!!!!!!
But by the end of Season 4, if you were paying attention to the fact that he all but flat-out states that
>The system is unable to help the kids because the odds themselves that they are born into are, quite literally, unwinnable.
If he were then to state that the best way to help the future Duquan's, Randy's, and Michael's would be to prevent their vulnerable and unfit mothers from having them in the first place, then if you'd been paying attention to what he spent the whole season trying to say, you may well come to the conclusion of
>It's horrifying that it might need to come to that, but I really can't see any other solution that actually works, and I'm no better than the school administrators who can Colin's program if I'm willing to essentially place the needs of my own conscience above the reality of the lives and future these kids are facing.
>>70308595
Whoever was in charge of branding couldn't wait to make everything into a meme, as well. They fed into it because who wouldn't? It made them money. But seeing "I am the Danger" shirts and Heisenberg pins and patches makes the show look like a joke. At least you can weed out people who liked the show for the wrong reasons when you see someone wearing a "Science, Bitch!" shirt.
Interestingly enough, The Sopranos was just as big of a cultural phenomenon, for longer than Breaking Bad was, but you never saw as much cheap branding for it. Probably because it predated the social media meme era, though.
>>70305499
kek
>>70308912
Not sure what it was about her, but she was alright in s2.
>>70308894
she was definitely qt. i was glad mcnulty let her be free from his self destructive behavior, instead of fucking her that night they hung out
>>70308954
Yeah but then you wouldn't of had the apex of human evolution born- Omar aka SuperNigger.
He was so powerful nature wouldn't even let him breed!
>>70305294
It's not garbage though.
>>70305499
No one gives a shit about your shitty mah ducks show
>>70305499
Morning
Season 2 was good but it felt like an unnecessary intermission.
>>70310087
He was never that skinny
>>70309976
But Omar and Marlo are essentially Hillary Clinton's Super-Predators personified, good for life on the streets but utter shit at anything more than that.
>>70305448
>js
masterful bait
>>70305294
>season 2
>garbage
bait or full pleb
>>70306709
>conditions seem unbearable
>what the director wants to say is "they shouldn't even have been born"
no, he probably wanted to say that the shit you 're throwing at poor black people is unjustified and you should take a more than superficial look at the "ghetto" justification.
I always wondered if the writer was black. I know he was a cop, but I wonder if he was black.
>>70306605
This is a half decent interpretation.
>>70306605
>dinduism
can't you cover yourself a little better, you fucking racist piece of shit?
>a desire to maintain his standard of living amidst dwindling blue-collar opportunities.
is that why his competition in the union elections retires willfully in the end of the season?
>>70310404
>no, he probably wanted to say that the shit you 're throwing at poor black people is unjustified and you should take a more than superficial look at the "ghetto" justification.
haha what? the show outright acknowledges most of these nogs are slaves to their conditions, resulting in violence crime heavy drug use etc. basically justifying every negative stereotypesimilar to real life
>>70310573
>>70306886
>>70306995
>>70307054
The Sopranos sucked ass, watched the whole series and it was a huge waste of time
>>70305453
>not liking based Shaft Freamon
>>70310716
Did you notice that bit in season 3 where they had one actress play a crackho and the crackho's sister, who was a happy upstanding teacher? The chick cutty was trying to bang?
The implications there just fly over your head?
>>70306605
>Frank is an upstanding man who is pushed to the sorts of crime schemes that were common in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s out of desperation and a desire to maintain his standard of living amidst dwindling blue-collar opportunities.
Ehhhh I don't really buy this and S2 is my favourite, love Frank. The sobotkas were only a rung or two up the ladder from the ghettoniggas and yeah the docks were in trouble but he wasn't exactly in some noble "rock and a hard place" situation. I always thought it was pretty clear how morally torn he was about dealing with the greeks. I mean he was far from proud of it
>>70310757
>"i don't have abysmal taste, everyone else must be wrong!"
>>70305453
Because a man is whatever room he is in.
>>70310757
2/10
>>70310763
>it's a pepper steak episode
>>70310852
You can't really appeal to the majority on the subject of taste. The majority ensures the "transformers" franchise will never end.
>>70310813
What implications? That there are exceptions? That not every nigger in baltimore is a gangbanger or a crack addict?
Actually you're right man, that throwaway tidbit is actually the real message, not the rest of the 5 seasons
>>70310970
... yea, that wasn't the only time they had one actor play two, completely opposite roles, for the sake of making a point.
>>70311011
the fuck are you talking about?
>>70311030
shit that apparently flew over your head.
>>70310757
it was literally essentialism for the sake of essentialism and I 'm not excluding that there might have been interests at play in producing the show.
>>70311047
No I think you're just a retard
>>70305499
GOT THE DUUUUUBS!
>>70310970
you 're nitpicking
got to take it all
>>70311069
>essentialism
calm down there kiddo
>>70311090
The difference being, I have absolute proof you are.
>>70311090
>you haven't understood anything about the show
>he's the retard
>>70311127
it was
>>70311069
>essentialism for it's own sake
Yea I can't argue with this. You should go further to say it was mangled essentialism for it's own sake though. As holy fuck did they mangle the fuck out of every higher concept the show was clearly attempting to employ.
>>70306262
>the slowness is the part that doesnt get critiqued enough
Fucking kill yourself.
>>70305548
>mfw i'm a guy like ziggy and i've pulled my dick out in nightclubs when drunk
dickensian aspect
>>70311226
>every higher concept the show was clearly attempting to employ.
the only values of the show were: mafia overlords are human too
and
you are excused to resort even to cannibalism if it's for your family.
That was it, what are you talking about?
Are you an edgy teenager?
>>70311365
fuck do that mean
>>70311414
Go google essentialism real quick.
>>70311470
I already know what it means
>>70311504
Then you should be able to process how the sopranos was a sophomoric essentialist parable.
>>70311419
I wanted to post something about the last season and it was the first thing that came to my mind
>>70311536
>sophomoric
that, I don't know what it means.
And you agree it was essentialism
>>70311069
Explain
>>70310115
i felt the same, it was good but it just felt disconnected from the story everyone cared about in S1. I think they took a detour thinking that the show would focus primarily on Mcnulty and his trouble with the police dept, and the punishments they were laying on him and his redemption thru good detective work. but then they realized that they already had gold with the whole barksdale plot and all the places it could go.
>>70310404
The show is realistic to the point that it doesn't try to shove any single theories to the audiences' face but allows them to draw their own conclusion based on what they see.
I didn't feel like it went out of its way to try and disprove any stereotypes and I've seen it 3 times.
S2>S5
You know its true...
>>70305344
Is she real or is she a HOLLY-gram?
>>70310757
>i spent hundred hours doing something that i hate for hun
See that's where you point out that you're an idiot and your opinion doesn't matter.
>>70311642
it was cashing in by showing the inner works of the mafia, without a redeeming value. It was funny at times, but it wasn't a comedy. The mafiosi were the heroes at the end of the day and you would watch for the same reason you would watch a car crash site. The show didn't appeal to your intellect, it appealed to your gutteral instincts, it was titilating. And through the use of Journey music, it was implied that they were the good guys.
>I didn't feel like it went out of its way to try and disprove any stereotypes
see? it didn't even do that, that's what I 'm talking about.
You may not realise it, but there is a whole industry dedicated to clean the mafia image all over the world, to make us feel more comfortable in their existence and not consider them as a deviation and a threat.
>>70305453
All that young pussy messed with his mind.
>>70311670
>but it just felt disconnected from the story everyone cared about in S1
Only superficially.
What happened in season 2 is very much connected to the rest of the series.
>>70311536
philosophy is essentialist, hate to break it to you
>>70305294
It's literally the best season and everyone knows this, jesus fuck I bet you like 3 the most because "epic gangstas"
>>70310904
He's just the police.
>>70311599
wait you really don't know what sophomoric means?
i mean it's in the name, sophomore
>>70311888
Season 3 is the second best after 2 though.
>>70311934
2nd year of college?
>>70305508
t. duckling syndrome
I learned that word from some russian anon ;o)
>>70305578
>pretending BrBa isn't /tv/ approved
Piss off. You're only allowed to post in capeshit threads henceforth
>>70311812
>appeal to your intellect
wtf does this even mean? like a show where characters talk about satre and occasionally put some arithmetic on the screen?
>>70306886
> means greater than, not worse than
>>70306220
>The Wire
>hype
You a Sopranos fan trying to defend against what he thinks is the competition or something? I'm fairly certain you didn't watch the show. And if you did... I'm sorry for you being the way you are
>>70312027
it doesn't challenge any preconceived notions, ti just pampers you
>>70311964
Wise fool.
>>70311964
yeah so it's like if something is sophomoric it's like something a 2nd year college student would do
it's not even a real word anyway. it's like if i started calling things redditesque and it just took off
>>70312081
ohhh, more means idiot in latin?oh no it's greek, moros.
haha, shit! So what was the parable you were talking about? What was the Sopranos a sophomoric parable of?
>>70312077
>it doesn't challenge any preconceived notions
????
gimme some examples
>>70306709
You are actually retarded if this is what you think he was trying to say.
Simon was just trying to show the vicious circle, but there were plenty of ways out, all of the kids could have been saved if one or two things had gone differently: if politics hadn't fucked up any chance the School system had of helping them into better lives, if they hadn't been from broken homes, if there were role models that weren't gangstas. Hell, Randy's life was ruined by one fuck up from Herc.
>>70310404
David Simon isn't at all interested in race, you might notice how it only becomes an issue in the show when politics are involved. Instead The Wire focuses on the death of the working class and what happens in that void in a post-industrial city
>>70311763
No shit
2>4>1>5>3
Though all of them are great. 5 is the most underrated, it tries to do something different to all of the other series.
>>70311839
>Only superficially.
Sure, but that's a big part imo.
I mean of course events of S2 are connected to those that occur later, and of course S2 moves things forward, but to me it felt like a complete tone shift. Almost a jarring shift. And then S3 seemed to pick up where S1 left off. S2 felt like a detour which is all well and good but it just felt off to me. Still great writing, and i think it worked so well because of the characters, and how well written they are.
it's interesting yesterday there was this thread about the sopranos, and someone asked me which i preferred sopranos or the wire, and i said they are completely different in my mind. Sopranos is about tony, and his "family" in both senses of the word. To me the wire relies on the city as it's main character, and i think that's why S2 works well despite feeling so removed from S1. A move like that i don't think would work too well in something like the sopranos, it would be as if we abandoned tony for the msot part, and instead got an in depth look into the FBI for most of a season and their process of getting info from their informants, sure they touch on it from time to time, but it's not the main plot. I feel like S2 would have run concurrently to S1, but it obviously all would have not fit together in one season neatly, so they took that necessary detour. But it's a testament to the greatness of the show, that even so it turned out to be great.
>>70312293
There were way bigger tone shifts for seasons 4 and then especially 5, 5 was this weirdly satirical, existential twist on the whole formula where every single character ended up a travesty of what they stood for in previous seasons
>>70311812
You seem to not have understood the show at all then. The non-accountability exhibited by those in the show in favor of reaping the material benefits was what ultimately led to their hollow lifestyle. The rare moments where Hunter and Melfi said no to such a life were celebrated. Every character who were associated with the mafia led a life of emptiness, depression and misguided nostalgia. Every character had the opportunity to change (Meadow becoming a doctor, Carmela's divorce, Tony and his coma experience, AJ's depression) but didn't, confirming they were terrible people and so were the audience for being so drawn to them. Employee of the Month and Second Opinion made this abundantly clear.
>>70305499
Oh fug I haven't seen this in forever
>>70312398
>AJ's depression
change into what, a corpse or a junky? how could he escape?
>confirming they were terrible people and so were the audience for being so drawn to them
yeah right, right up there with the "Dave Chase wanted to make them unlikable" excuse. I bet Dave Chase is sick of all the money he's earned and wonders how could the show be so succesful. Turn your head around.
>>70305294
Why would anyone who actually likes The Wire make a general and then call S2 trash? This is disgusting.
>>70311812
>The show didn't appeal to your intellect
of course it did. just because the plot moves forward through violent mob killings doesn't mean there isn't something deeper to it. Yes it's primal in it's depictions of violence and sex and how they coalesce to form what is tony's life, but there's always that dichotomy of what tony wants in his family, at home, and what he wants from his family at work.
>see? it didn't even do that, that's what I 'm talking about.
There's plenty of parts throughout the 6 seasons where characters struggle with what they perceive to be stereotypical depictions of italians, and how they hate it. They all recoil in anger about being seen as mobsters straight out the godfather, but yet they do nothing to change it, they are in love with it, because it's all true, they are living like that. And they love being in the mafia. They just want to be seen like good everyday americans, but they're not, theyre benefiting from the what they claim is destroying the image of italians in the media. They complain about movies, but their real lives are everybit as violent, and they struggle when a family member or friend dies, or disappears, but they don't acknowledge that deep down they know what really happened, they just brush it aside or believe flimsy excuses to never have to think about what really goes on, what really powers their affluent lifestyles.
>>70312510
give it a rest Gus Russo
>>70305294
>why did season 2 have to be so garbage?
literally fucking kill yourself
>>70307557
EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS POL
I CAN L I T E R A L L Y ONLY THINK IN ONE DIRECTIONNNNNNNNNNNN
>>70312510
>there's always that dichotomy of what tony wants in his family, at home, and what he wants from his family at work.
wow man, that's like, deeeeep
>>70312510
>and they struggle when a family member or friend dies, or disappears, but they don't acknowledge that deep down they know what really happened, they just brush it aside or believe flimsy excuses to never have to think about what really goes on, what really powers their affluent lifestyles.
bawwwwwww
>>70312489
>Dude everyone is wrong but me LMAO
The show is a rejection of essentialism as far as I can see.
Fuck off with the Sopranos bullshit you pseudo-intellectual niggas.
>>70305294
2 becomes the best season after ur first rewatch
Season two is kino
the rest is just movie tier
>>70312592
Good response m8.
>>70312489
>change into what, a corpse or a junky? how could he escape?
He wanted to want more than just money, and material things. and for a while he had those things how ever flimsy his grasp on them was. He had found something he thought was love, and he had begun to care about people other than himself. He was moving away from the desire of having money, early all he wanted was to go out and get fucked up, then he cared more about providing for someone else, for the people he loved, and was willing to go through hardship necessary just to do it as opposed to his previous coddled lifestyle and in the end, he reverses completely, he's gifted a cushy job doing nothing and a new car, and he completely forgets about all the "worlds ills" that had him so depressed and on the verge of suicide. Just like the other anon said, that's the ultimate tragedy of the show, that they all had routes out, but they were to dug in and in love with their lifestyles to really change.
based on all your replies you strike me as the type of person who lacks empathy, but is so immature or dumb that he considers it a positive trait.
>>70312531
no clue who that is.
Duck was my favorite character.
>>70312882
RIP DUCK
>>70312712
>insecure babbie redditor detected.
we get it you like the wire and mad men, your katana is very sharp nobody is going to fuck with you buddy.
S2 was the last great season though
S3 and 5 were way worse
>>70312898
Jesus Christ, Spoilers!
>>70312489
>>70312398
>implying the show had a "point"
it's hardly even about all the mob/morality shit. that's just the packaging. it's about "the human condition" (lol)
"You can talk about each day's a gift and smelling roses, but regular life has a way of picking away at it." that eternal mental struggle that (i think) everyone deals with in the real world but is never portrayed in film or tv, unless it's in some big glorified melodramatic fashion. The show just stews in it providing no answers because there aren't any that's why i love it. Like the way tony and carmella have that argument over him "pulling the depression card" I mean you don't get real shit like that anywhere else
I don't think this makes sense but I don't care
>tfw your thread passes 150 replies
wait, wait, I fucked up.
The word I wanted to use was "sensationalism" not "essentialism".
Sorry for that.
>>70312642
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>>70312844
"those who have empathy for the oppressors, have none for the oppressed".
>>70312916
tbhtho if someone doesn't think all 3 of those shows are top tier, they're holding onto some weird grudge. because seriously all 3 of those shows are excellent.
The Wire is altogether ruined by its hampering didacticism and terrible final season.
>>70312977
>"those who have empathy for the oppressors, have none for the oppressed".
And who exactly are the oppressed in the sopranos in your mind?
reply to this post and youll get a gf by the end of the month
>>70313032
>didacticism
for those who don't know, sensei fedora-ejji over here says that the show is preachy.
>>70313072
all of us. The Sopranos are the oppressors. So I don't lack empathy if I don't like them.
>>70312957
I get you, but why choose the mafia backdrop for it?
>>70312494
To get bumps and keep the thread alive. Have you never made a thread before? Always open with the exact opposite of what you think is the case, stated as emphatically as you can, then switch over to your real opinions, roleplaying back as OP whenever the thread needs another bump. This is basic shit.
>>70313143
>all of us. The Sopranos are the oppressors. So I don't lack empathy if I don't like them.
great job keeping up that streak of nonsense you have going so far in the thread.
>I get you, but why choose the mafia backdrop for it?
maybe because it's a fetishized lifestyle that just like you argued before is full of stereotypes of heroic unfallible men who get what they want through violence and abuse.
And in tony you have a man who was raised by men like that, raising his own children hoping they choose a different path. While still poisoning and destroying everyone elses family around him, killing fathers, sons and daughters.
And even still we see that he's the way he is because his father, mother, and family in general were complete incompetents. And in a sense he is becoming the same thing that caused him to be so miserable, and his sister is just like his mother. Even so he fights with himself on a daily basis trying to be something he knows that at his station in life he cannot be anymore. He wants to change but he can't everyone who tried to change in the show met an untimely end. Everyone wanted out, but no one got it. He flirts with the prospect of being a better man, father, husband, but he never actually commits. The mafia backdrop like i said before just serves to interwine the concept of family. And some friends of his are even part of both. It provides Chase's thoughts into what creates a monster, and whether or not he thinks a monster is self aware.
>>70312578
It was literally /pol/ themed bullshit though, that anon was right.
>>70313093
i hav one but i promote this post
>>70305294
>that last scene with Marlo
Damn, that was brilliant.
>>70313143
This anon is on to something even if he is stating it in the most pathetic way
The Sopranos is more bullshit power fantasy, yet another extended visual essay on the male ego in a gangster setting, just with extra pseudopsychology thrown in. There is nothing there we haven't seen in 100s of movies, this is just longer and on TV.
The Wire is brave enough to look at the people who are trampled down by the system, everyone caught in the machinery only able to work "their corner", forces pushing them from above and below, never getting anywhere. It's way less romantic and "cool", but far more interested in actual problems in society and how it is structured, and looking at what factors contribute and cause the everyday tragedies that are fucking everywhere.
>>70313391
>streak of nonsense
you may disagree with me (and prove yourself a fool), but my train of thought is clear.
>all that drivel
I wasn't asking you, was I?
>>70313526
>tfw your name is your name
>>70313566
>even if he is stating it in the most pathetic way
your mom is stating it in the most pathetic way
>>70312844
>no clue who that is.
he wrote a book, called "The Outfit" on the origins of the cosa nostra. The book should stay in history as the quintessential example of mafia image cleaning.
>>70313678
or image laundering if you prefer.
>>70305294
Alrite tv I need to confess. I have never watched that show. I tried, I really did. But after ten minutes it just felt like I was watching a garbage Law & Order tier police procedural. Is there anything I'm missing? Nobody seems to be able to explain why they like this show without going " muh compelling characters". Is this show a meme? Is it popular because of the BBC appeal?
>>70313782
Yes, what you are missing is that this show shows everything around the police and not just the cops in isolation. The cop parts are pretty stereotypical but they are only one facet of the show, watch the whole first season.
>>70313143
>I get you, but why choose the mafia backdrop for it?
well I mean why not? You can have your human condition drama and your moral stagnancy drama at the same time, have your cake and eat it too.
I mean the real answer is Chase is a depressive american-italian guy who went to therapy for years and grew up on old mob movies but yknow
>>70313678
Serious question, are you italian?
>>70313566
This is why The Wire is useless to me. I could just read a non-fiction book for all of that.
>>70314005
>you share a board with these kind of people
Please be bait.
>>70314005
Except The Wire illustrates is beautifully by making you care about all these characters and seeing how the fucked up systems affects their lives
The Wire isn't realistic, it's entertainment, but its subject matter is real: it's job is more to get people angry and caring about the actual issues that matter than just plain educate.
>>70314066
it isn't job
it isn't job at all
>>70314103
Anon are you okay?
>>70314066
the wire is pretty realistic dude. obviously the characters and plot aren't real
>>70314209
>racoons are black and white
>>70312098
No words are real.
>>70314288
thanks jaden
>>70305294
>ziggy was cool
>hates Frank Sobotka
Fucking underage redditor get the fuck out of my board!
>>70314323
every word came into existence by the exact process as what given to establish "sophomoric" as "not real."
![9afc1ebc202323b068fb56efe8688887[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/PgeMS39.jpg "9afc1ebc202323b068fb56efe8688887[1].jpg")
I'm rewatching the Sopranos now and I never noticed before that coach Houser really has a JUST haircut.
>>70314238
A lot of the things that happened in it were taken from real life, and it was hella realistic as TV shows go but ultimately it was a drama that simplified things and twisted it all into emotional character arcs.
Note that almost every single character was a racial stereotype
>>70314066
I don't care about the characters since they act as ciphers to explore the themes. This is why I prefer more character-driven TV since their characters are much more fleshed out.
>>70314410
>>70314238
samefag
>>70314395
pythonesque isn't a real word either deal with it
>>70314410
>Note that almost every single character was a racial stereotype
The stereotypes exist for a reason. Nigs gonna nog.
>>70313782
It's more than just a cop drama. It shows the various institutions surrounding criminal activity trying to work together and shows why it often fails. It shows how characters are caught in loops they never escape and why. The characters are great but that's not really the focus of the show.
>>70314238
well, it isn't realistic in the sense that mcnulty would have never gotten off the boat. Freemon would have never left the pawnshop unit. Presbelewski would have never been fired. Failure is rewarded, pissing people off is whats punished.
>>70314407
how you want your flatscreen famiglia?
>>70314410
The thing that took away the realism the most was how all the characters -especially the criminals- survived for 5 seasons. Most would have been shot and perished in a ditch somewhere.
>>70314554
Just cazzo my shit up, amico
>>70314586
Composite characters, yo.
>>70313093
deal
>>70314489
Why the fuck would I reply to myself disagreeing with every point?
>>70314424
The characters are hella fleshed out in The Wire though, just mostly based on stereotypes to help explore the themes, there is still a huge amount of depth to characters like Bubbles, Stringer, D'angelo etc
>>70313093
don't let me down anon
>>70314424
name some more fleshed out characters than characters from the wire.
>>70314586
shit man it's been a couple years since I watched it but i remember people dropping like fries constantly
>>70314586
Literally every single member of the D'angelo gang was dead or in jail by the end other than Poot, who went to jail and then got out the game to sell trainers. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>70314586
A lot of them did die. I really don't think most smalltime Baltimore thugs can be expected to have shorter life expectencies than five years, I assume less people die in real life.
>>70314657
>>70314410
>hella
what makes people think its okay to use words like this
>>70305294
You need a new desk.
I find it funny how /tv/ both loves the wire and simultaneously berates niggers for being criminals everywhere.
>>70314586
>especially the criminals
Vast majority of the criminals died or went to prison, what show were you watching?
>>70314732
When you gotta meme you gotta meme, people need to understand this
>>70314732
I like how the post '08 crowd can't comprehend that 4chan is more than one person.
>>70314732
I don't see anything wrong with that. Niggers are stupid criminals and the best TV show in the world depicts niggers as stupid criminals.
>>70314732
It's just the background radiation of /pol/ cancer the whole of 4chan has to deal with nowadays. It used to be racism used for humour but now we have these legions of stormfronters genuinely FUMING about race issues 24/7 and trying to derail every thread into their cancer
>>70314793
>I didn't understand the point of the show
Okay den
>>70314742
Not just the vast majority, every single fucking one of the D'angelo gang from S1 other than Poot
>>70314682
Literally any tv show driven by character rather than plot and action. You would had to have seen nothing else to think The Wire has the most fleshed characters in the medium.
>>70314712
everyone forgets about slim charles
>>70314860
>literally any
Nice dodge. Should be easy to name some then.
>>70314885
>slim charles
Fuck, I thought he started off as a west side nigga but you are right, he only moved over there after the entire of the Barksdale crew got wiped out. He was there standing at the end, literally the oldest guy left in the game. You are meant to wonder how long it will be before someone walks up behind him and shoots him in the back of the head too though
>>70314858
Including the other gangs as well senpai
>>70314918
The Sopranos, Mad Men, Walt from Breaking Bad.
>>70314942
you got eastside and westside swapped. avon was westside, prop joe was eastside.
>>70314984
Fuck how did I do that. Clearly not thinking straight.
>>70314918
Anyone from Mad Men, Six Feet Under, Sopranos, Evangelion, Seinfeld, a couple dozen others.
>>70314942
slim charles is the type that will retire, because he knows to shift whichever way the wind is blowing.
>>70314961
True enough I guess.
Who is even left out of Prop Joe's crew by the end? Marlo's too, shit its a fucking bloodbath. What in the fuck was that anon even talking about?
>>70314972
>Walt from Breaking Bad
top fucking kek
>>70314972
>>70315024
I'm just laughing at this point.
its always funny when someone says something so stupid, others pretend to be him.
>>70315024
>>70314972
>>70315070
>Y-y-you're just stupid
>H-haha I'm l-laughing at you're stupidity >:(
I recently saw the wire, and waited a thread just to post this
Who is best character and why is it Prezbo?
>>70315061
To be perfectly fair, most characters did survive a ton of shit that would've ended up with them dead, fired, or riding the boat a hundred times over, and the show literally did move heaven and earth to get mcnulty "off the boat" not once, but twice.
>>70315160
Ziggy
>>70315160
he went from being a monster for hitting that kid to being really good overall
they didnt do the best job there
unless him hitting the kid was like. out of insecurity or something
>>70315070
It's objective fact that The Wire is more focused on ideas/themes than fleshing out its characters. This is the downfall of any fiction, ideas and themes explored in art is rendered useless in the face of coherent thought. It's therefore correct in stating that themes should not be seen as the most important aspect when looking at art. Everyone who praises The Wire for realism is also wrongfully equating realism with tackling real issues. It's not a realistic show at all and realism isn't a necessarily positive trait to have.
>>70315255
my favourite thing is how often i see people forget he shot and killed a cop by accident
>>70315255
yeah I felt like there was a weird disconnect between the selfish, spoiled asshole who beat up kids in the first couple episodes and the goofy, likeable dude watching the wiretaps later in the first season. Although I do like his character arc overall
>>70315255
He cold-cocked the kid to fit in. Eventually he stopped trying to fit in.
>>70310861
Ok bert
>>70315346
>The Wire is more focused on ideas/themes than fleshing out its characters.
And yet it still more sufficiently fleshed out the vast majority of it's characters than any character driven (rather than idea driven) show.
>>70315255
He was fucking terrible as a cop but much better as a teacher, what is hard to understand? He matured during the show, and though he was still hella naive in S4, by the end of it and his cameos in S5 he had grown up fully.
>>70315410
>>70315362
>>70315356
ive only seen the first 2 seasons lol
>>70315346
You are fucking retarded. Inward looking, ego obsessed fiction is only one type, and The Wire actually excels at that whenever it does it. Art can also interrogate ideas, art can be about literally anything.
>This is the downfall of any fiction, ideas and themes explored in art is rendered useless in the face of coherent thought
Unironically this is one of the most incoherent attempts at a thought I've ever seen someone attempt on /tv/
>>70315160
>that juking the stats conversation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ogxZxu6cjM
Such an apt description of modern politics
>>70315463
>>70315484
And education, and police work, and healthcare, it's fucking everything.
