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If Kyle Reese went back in time to knock up Sarah to make John Connor, how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?
When we finally figure out how time travel works a lot of movies are going to seem really dumb
>>70297967
>>70297913
>you will never be this fucking dumb
Feels good man
It was always him.
>>70298008
You haven't said anything to suggest you aren't
>>70298018
But Kyle was born long after John.
>thinking time is linear
>>70298037
If you say so, dummy.
>>70298060
You're not thinking fourth-dimensionally!
>>70298112
But its pretty obvious, stupid.
>>70298060
DUMB. srsly tho you may be atupid. but thats ok. not everyone can be intelligent
>>70297913
Stable Time Loop.
The real question is, what would happen if Kevin didn't knock up Sarah?
>>70298467
You're literally an idiot.
>>70297913
Come with me if you wantsum fuk bby
>>70297913
>Who's the father then?
Kyle.
>>70297913
Dude, time doesn't go from the past to the future. The time just is and all the shit exists simultaniously. Have you ever done psychtropic drugs?
>>70297913
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>>70298660
so kyle being johns father is possible
Sky net was the dad
The guy in the other thread was right; summer has started.
Sage all summer fags threads.
Kyle Reese is always John's father you fucking idiots. Skynet and John Connor only exist because of time travel due to a time loop.
This is all explained in the movie if you actually PAY ATTENTION
>>70298653
>>70298848
Kyle was born after John you fucking retards. It makes no sense.
>>70298824
Not OP, what's the other thread?saged
>>70298859
yes
hence he goes back in time to impregnate sarah connor
>>70298881
Then how was John born in the first place?
>>70298900
There is no "first place", it's a loop
>>70298948
That makes no sense again. John would've had to have an actual father originally
>>70298900
A time traveller came from the future and fucked his mom.
>>70298978
Yeah, Kyle Reese.
>>70298994
KYLE WAS BORN AFTER JOHN
>>70299019
>>70298978
>>70298900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causal_loop
>>70298978
It's what's established in the movie, you fucking idiot
Why the fuck else would John Connor give a picture of Sarah, taken at the end of the film WHEN SARAH IS RECORDING MESSAGES TO JOHN THAT SHE IS GOING TO TELL JOHN ABOUT HIS FATHER, to Kyle Reese?
Skynet literally could not exist without the reverse engineered technology from the Terminator as established in T2
>>70299019
Stfu faggot
Everyone else stop responding.
>>70299054
The point is that John would've had an actual dad to begin with before Kyle came and made everything different, otherwise John wouldn't exist since Kyle was actually born much later
>>70299081
no :)
John Connor wasn't something that just happened. He was a messianic figure who was always meant to be the leader of the resistance. He was bullshitting when he said there is no fate, there definitely is fate and Kyle Reese was his father in every single timeline.
The paradoxical loop of Reese being his father is less of a problem when you realize that the time gods and/or robot Jesus ordained beforehand that the future would be saved in this very strange manner.
>>70299081
>to begin with
you're not getting it, faggot. There is no "first time", 1984 was 1984 and there was always a Kyle Reese sent back to past because he would be sent back in 2029.
>mfw people don't get basic time travel in Terminator
>>70297913
he went back to protect her not knock her up. John would have been born regardless of who the father is
>first john connor has actual father and was borne unto sarah connor
>first iteration of skynet attacks humanity
>first john connor becomes resistance hero and leader
>first iteration of skynet determines to put down humanities hero by killing his mother before he's born
>first generation of kyle reese era rebels send back kyle reese to protect sarah connor from the terminators attack
>from this point on in the time function kyle reese becomes john connor's father by impregnating sarah connor before she met the original father of the first generation of john connors
>the second generation of john connor is now destined to fulfill his role as humanities savior, but now enters into a causal loop as the first terminator is reverse engineered to create the second iteration of skynet
>the second iteration of skynet sets off the events of the first movie
>we watch the first movie from the point of view of the second generation of john connor and second iteration of skynet
>the second time function loops back into itself continuously
>>70297913
Alt time line got created
og time line Reese wasn't Johns father.
/thread
>>70299630
>causal loop
No.
>>70297913
What was the line on Doctor Who, something about (something) Law states that a thing can exist without ever having been created.
>>70299630
Except John being the savior of humanity is entirely predicated on him having prior knowledge of Skynet and the terminators because his dad was Kyle Reese and Skynet cannot exist without time travel
>>70299810
>cannot exist without time trave
How so?
>>70299150
My nigger. Listen. In order for that to have even been possible, there would have needed to be an original timeline to start with. One with a reason to send back Reese in the first place. Before he was sent back, there is the original timeline. Kyle Reese didn't go back in time with the knowledge that this loop was going to be created. The reason he goes back is because skynet sends the terminator back in time to stop her from ever producing a John Connor to begin with. In order for this to be the case, there will have needed to be an original John Connor that wasn't Kyle Reese's kid.
>>70299150
the fact that the future can be rewritten disproves that senpai
Kyle Reese appeared out of the chaos vortex thinking he was from the future when really he wasn't, he just resembled the guy who is from the future and ended up replacing him. They have the same DNA though so it was always the same John Connor.
>problem solved
>>70299958
She would eventually have had a child.
Kyle is sent back because they know a terminator has been sent back
It doesnt matter who the the father is she will always birth a John Connor.
>>70299958
how are you this dense?
we understand where you're coming from but you refuse to see the real reason behind it and are instead fixated on trying to make your theory right.
>>70297913
LISTEN HERE FAGGOT
THERE'S MORE THAN ONE TIMELINE
OG TIMELINE
The day the terminator found Sarah she was going to go on a date. She would've fuck the guy and got pregnant with John.
T1 time line
The Terminator finds her stopping her from fucking that guy. She fucks Kyle and gets pregnant. It's not that hard to understand.
The future is not a continuum it can change.
>>70300128
I'm not even the guy you were arguing with. His shit just makes more sense than yours.
What if it was possible to enter a time capsule and travel 10 days into the future, would you be able to meet your future self? You disappear from the present when you enter the capsule so there shouldn't be a future self unless you returned into the present from the future. What if you met your future self and then simply refuse to return to the present? How would that work?
Because everything always happened.
Skynet always sendsthreeTerminators back in time, one to kill Sarah and two to kill John.
The Resistance/John always sends Kyle to protect Sarah and two T-800s to protect John.
Judgement Day always happens, no matter what.
So James Cameron conceived of this story where the savior of humanity send his most trusted follower back in time, and the follower proceeds to wipe humanity's savior out of existence by impregnating his mother and fathering a new child who only succeeds at being the new savior because he has a 40 year head start over the enemy
Based Cameron.
>>70297913
I'm of the opinion that John Connor is different in every iteration of the Terminator universe. Every time we see a different actor, it's a different timeline and a different John Connor.
Only the first John Connor had to be remarkable. He became who he was on his own, then sent Reese back to protect his mother when Skynet sent back T800. Reese gets Sarah pregnant, but she now has foreknowledge of Judgement Day and is able to groom this new, different John Connor for his future role as resistance leader.
The initial rise of the first John Connor and sending back Reese provides the template for every new (and sometimes shitty, re: T3) John Connor to be raised to be prepared for Judgement Day and fulfill his purpose.
OP, this will explain it very clearly:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXJiSZhA5cg
>>70300024
Says who, Sarah Connor?
On what information does she make such an assumption?
Because they destroyed CyberDyne?
>>70300307
No the fact the future gets rewritten
>>70300024
The only time the future is ever explicitly rewritten is in sequels that werent made by Jim Cameron, retard
>>70299836
Because miles dyson and cyberdyne needed the chip from the terminator to create skynet?
Do you dumb fucks even watch movies
>>70300222
>would you be able to meet your future self?
No, because there is no future you, because the present you traveled forward in time.
You are your future you.
>>70300354
The future gets rewritten the second the Terminator gets sent back brah
>>70297913
>how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?
Kyle Reese
>>70299054
How about John doesn't fight Skynet then? That means they wouldn't send a Terminator back in time and wouldn't exist.
>>70300354
THEY'RE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THE BUTTERFLY EFFECT
>>70300282
This explains all continuity errors, too. Who knows how many different timelines elapsed in between the events of the adaptations and sequels?
>>70300418
Oh my god fucker no it didnt
Kyle reese fell in love with Sarah from the photograph that was taken at the end of the movie, John gave it to him because he knew it was what made him fall in love with her
>>70300392
How'd Judgement day get pushed back then? Wouldn't that have sped it up?
Really makes you think huh faggot
Think about it like the Lost episode, Whatever Happened, Happened
>>70300418
>The future gets rewritten the second the Terminator gets sent back
No it doesn't.
Kyle Reese was always John Connor's father.
John Connor always becomes the Resistance leader because of his knowledge of Skynet and the terminators that he accumulated through his mother and through his own experiences.
There was always a T-800 in 1984 and a T-800 and T-1000 in 1995.
>>70300457
Yeah, that would only mean that humanity is forever subjugated by machines and eventually killed off completely.
Great plan, anon.
>>70300495
Judgment day is only established to have been "pushed back" in t3 dipshit
>>70300398
What if I return from the future into the present, live those 10 days normally, wait for my past self to appear in the time capsule and then shoot him/me in the head, what would happen then?
>>70300559
Oh you're doing the lalalalalawhatidontlikeisnotcanonlalalala thing
>>70300527
No, because Skynet wouldn't exist.
>>70300592
A time paradox.
>>70300604
Im saying that a movie made by James Cameron in 1984 is not beholden to a seqiel written and directed by different people 20 years later
If you actually watch t1 its clearly a loop
>>70297913
>Who's the father then?
Kyle Reese, dumbshit.
>>70300559
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEpjgFZpAt0
>>70300736
That scene was deleted for a reason faglord
>>70300392
But by getting the chip and arm they progressed fast enough that they had T-800 designs as a proof of concept in 2003 instead of 2029 like in the future shots.
>>70300766
So what your saying is it's not canon? So I guess the future changed again huh
>>70297913
>american education
It's called PREDESTINATION, dumb hilly
Novikov self-consistency principle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
In such systems called temporal loops there is no need for the starting point and ending point cause they are one and the same point in time and space just observed from different angles. It's a matter of perspective.
The original John Connor was CGI created by Skynet who wanted an elaborate way to commit suicide.
>>70300902
>le time is a flat circle
where does the darkness go when light shows up?
>>70300263
this is the only answer.
John Connor remade himself into a better version.
>>70300505
whatever happened on the island stays on the island
>>70297913
What are you retard ? Only Kayle's time line is looping.
How did Kyle even get the picture when it could've only happened when he went back? This shit is full of plotholes.
Man the original sarah connor was qt as fuck
>>70298861
all of them
>>70297913
>If Kyle Reese went back in time to knock up Sarah to make John Connor, how did John Connor exist in Kyle's time? Who's the father then?
Follow the money.
>>70300108
Does this mean there are blacked timelines where John Connor is mixed?
>>70297967
It's actually not possible, thats why most of these time travel movies are retarded in the first place
>>70306793
It's not even funny at this point. It's not original. It's not witty. I don't even give a fuck if it's racist. It's just fucking boring.
>>70298477
It'd create a parallel universe where John Connor doesn't exist.
>>70309437
You know that relativity is just an abstracted model, right? All models are wrong, some are useful.
>>70299019
>Kyle goes back in time before he even existed
>Bangs Sarah
>Sarah has john months later
>John lives well into adulthood before he meets Kyle, who he promptly sends back in time so he can fuck his mom, making sure that the version of himself he's living as exists.
My problem with all of it was he sent Kyle back instead of going himself. John could have fucking trashed that old ass meatsuit robot. Kyle was a scrub.
Now that I think about it I'm kinda pissed.
>>70300108
She wouldn't have "eventually had a child" if Kyle hadn't come back because she would have been dead by the next day.
why didn't Skynet just send a Terminator to the 60's, to kill baby Sarah Connor?
>>70310019
Who says he didn't.
But the Terminator changed his mind and adopted her, and that's how we got the movie Commando.
>>70309869
But if he went himself he wouldn't be born.
Imagine how many times Reese must have fapped to this picture...
>>70297913
Cuz he always goes back in time and fucks with Sarah.
>>70297967
WE know how it works wtf do you think cern is?
"I'm gonna need to you to go back in time and like, fuck my mom and shit, are you up for it?"
>>70310019
in genesys they sent one to kill loli sarah and is saved by a T-800
Is time travel impossible seeing as we've not been visited by anyone from the future yet?
>>70313364
the same amount you have fapped to your waifu
>>70313364
Good thing it was laminated
>>70310019
Skynet didn't know anything about Sarah Connor as most records were destroyed during the war. They didn't know her full name, her address, her birthday, or what she looked like, only that she lived in LA.
That's why the Terminator picks up a phonebook and starts murdering every Sarah Connor in LA.
>>70298060
yeah but he traveled back in time, remember?
>>70314485
*Record Scratch*
So you're probably wondering how I got here!
>>70297913
OP I'm going to tell you one of the deepest secrets of the universe, please mentally prepare yourself before reading this spoilerAll time travel movies are full of logical inconsistencies and only spergs expect otherwise
you cannot go forward or backwards in time. but you can go to similar time lines. when doing so you can enter the new time line at any time. so john is a variable in multiple time lines rease is not his father, and some nether is Connor.
Bootstrap paradox
Kyle is the father, but it doesn't make sense -- as pretty much every time-travel movie doesn't.
John sends Kyle back in time; Kyle fucks Sarah; this leads to John being born; but then two things could happen:
-The Future War still happens, but there is no Kyle to send back -- so, how could John send someone back who invariably is his father when he died in the past?
-John, et al., prevent the Future War; which means John never sends Kyle back; which means he's never born.
And so on.
>>70315206
>Fapping to your waifu
Am I the only one that doesnt do this?
>>70297913
BLACKED
>>70299958
This is your problem, you're thinking time is linear.
It isn't.
![Terminator2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1O4zPt1.jpg "Terminator2[1].jpg")
>implying this isnt Kyle Reese
>Skynet sends robot back in time to kill John Connor because he may try to stop judgement day
>Judgement day can't be stopped and Skynet knew this from the beginning, and thus didn't need to send a robot
Fuck you T3
>>70297913
Why would Sarah Connor let some man from the future blow his load in her?
>>70297913
Wouldn't john Connor be different every time?
I really don't buy the whole "go back in time to make sure your offspring is born plot"
Like wouldn't it be mathematically impossible that they'd be the same person? What ensures it that it's the same sperm that enters the egg?
>>70318100
>Wouldn't john Connor be different every time?
I mean... he was different literally every movie.
>>70297913
It's a causality loop, Kyle has to exist because John exists and vice versa.
Why the fuck didn't Skynet just try to kill Kyle Reese's ancestor from the 80s instead?
>>70318100
She's a slut.
>>70309437
>time travel isn't possible
'no'
>>70297913
You have to understand that time as we perceive it, going from the past to the future, happens only in our subjective reality. Time, in fact, does not exist as you know it. You could say that all time happens simultaneously, or rather, has happened already. The world is wholly deterministic, and your fate is already sealed.
You cannot change the future. That's why every Terminator movie after 1 has been complete horseshit. Terminator 1 works perfectly within the realm of our understanding.
>>70318349
Nah reddit T2 > T1
>>70297913
Terminator is not DBZ anon
>>70318338
It's possible to go to the future only.
>>70297913
>questioning time travel in movies
>>70309869
I doubt John would've fared any better against the T-800.
Kyle was John's most trusted lieutenant, which implies some level of competence in a dangerous world.
>sarah has babby
>becomes great military leader
>guy goes back in time
>fucks sarah
>sarah raises super military babby
>turns into better or similar leader
I mean it's not even a plot-hole even if you don't subscribe to the bootstrap paradox theories. Kyle was clearly genetically gifted and a survivor of a 21st century holocaust, why is it so ridiculous his genes and knowledge of Sarah's son, be it from his original genetic line or not, couldn't pass on the knowledge to Sarah to raise a leader?
Also isn't the point of T2 meant to show Sarah gets tossed in the nut house, John taking the "DURRHURR MILITARY WORLD LEADER SHE'S NOT MY MOTHER TODD" mentality whilst also coupling it with 'the future is not set' mentality?
T2 is nowhere near as good as T1, but let's not act as if the movie falls apart because Kyle Reese fucks Sarah Connor, if anything it adds more to the whole film idea that this creepy little fuck had a picture of her, probably jerked off every night in his little underground shack then went back just to bonk JC's mom, maybe he was a bit of a pissy ass boss sometimes, wouldn't you want to rule the world? Maybe jealousy?
It would've been much more interesting if the series had actually considered "oh holy shit, Kyle Reese fucked up EVERYTHING, the future is not set" but nope T3 comes along and SKYNET CANNOT BE STOPPED, shit John Connor in every fucking episode, all this predetermined bullshit that T2's primal FUCKING FOCUS was to show was bullshit and we go back to the same thing.
There COULD of been a Terminator movie that followed T1 and T2 without having to just hamfist Skynet going online. Infact, leave it 10/20 years (tough ask, I know) and you could still fucking do it. But let's be honest, it'll probably be a remake with Amy Schumer and Jon Snow or whoever the fuck is 'hot' right now.
Also, friendly reminder that the sex scene in Terminator 1 is one of the few important and meaningful sex scenes in modern cinema, if not the most.
Is it possible to have a time travel loop where one object keeps going back in time to be its present self?
It defies logic but there doesnt seem to be any rule against it
>>70316128
>but there is no Kyle to send back
What?
Of course there is a Kyle to send back in the future.
Kyle Reese being born is not dependent on Kyle Reese not being sent back in time.
>>70318193
>What ensures it that it's the same sperm that enters the egg?
Fate.
>>70318597
But he trusted him.because he was his dad
>>70318760
There are no rules because time travel isn't real or possible
>>70318100
Because Michael Biehn was hot af in the 80s.
Also, poor Kyle Reese was still a virgin. What woman could resist that?
>>70319075
Srsly?
I would have thought an endangered species like mankind would try to get a lot of babbies
>>70313614
John Titor?
The only way T2 could make sense is if we consider that the first movie is not a time loop, which means:
First timeline: Skynet happens in 2003,
during the war, Connor is the leader of the resistance, son of Sarah Connor and unknown father.
Second timeline: a machine is send to kill the mother, Kyle Reese is sent to stop him, he fucks Sarah and become the father of John Connor. Scientists find the terminator cpu, Skynet is created sooner, in 1997. In this timeline, John Connor is not the same person because different father. He will become the leader of the resistance because of his mother who knows what he is supposed to be and train him. They kick T1000's ass with the help of bob, Sarah decides to train John and wait until 1997.
Heres begins the first movie: John Connor knows that Kyle is his father in this timeline and he thinks that he has to send him back in time to fuck his mother because he doesn't understand how time travel works and he doesn't know about timelines.
Third timeline:Everything is almost the same because John influence Kyle to repeat history. Thoses are the events of Terminator 1 and 2. The difference with the previous timeline is that Sarah decides to destroy Skynet instead of waiting.
This leads to Terminator 3, Skynet happening in 2003 without the help of the CPU from the future.
The alternate T2 ending is not canon of course.
Kill me.
So I watched the first one two nights ago, should I watch the others?
Predestination paradox.
Even accounting for time travel, our fates are predetermined. History (or Fate) cannot, ultimately, be changed. Even if small changes occur due to theoretical time travel, History (Fate) will ensure the eventual outcome will be the same.
>>70319346
T2 is a classic
Rest are shit
>>70300243
It's mostly just trolls arguing in here but you are actually legitimately stupid.
>>70319170
Babies are too vulnerable in a war. Our natural instinct is to win a war first, then have lots of babies afterwards in celebration. Which happened after both World Wars: big baby booms afterwards.
>>70319346
>>70319365
T2 is quality.
T3 is good too (Clare Danes is outstanding in this film, but the actor that played John Connor is a bit meh).
There is literally nothing hard to understand about it. If you insist on a chronological writing:
>be in 1984
>spontaneous generation of Kyle Reese and Terminator
>he impregnates Sarah Connor and defends her from the Terminator
>John Connor grows
>Some business finds remnants of terminator and reverse engineer it to produce Skynet
>Machine war
>John Connor leads humans to the win
>Machines desperately send a terminator in a portal thinking it will change something
>spontaneous dissolution of said terminator and of Kyle following it
No need for any parallel timeline shit.
>>70314830
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL08AoF-lj8
>>70297913
Closed loop you fucking retard.
>>70298477
>Kevin
>>70319346
Watch T2, T3 and the series spin-off
Rest is utter garbage
>>70309437
You don't travel 'through' time, you jump 'across' dimensions. You also can't change time, only discover and confirm the existence of different timelines.
>>70318458
Funny thing, DBZ dealt with the issue of different pasts and futures due different universes, Trunks could never change his future
>>70297913
>redditor who doesn't understand time
Time is it's own dimension, meaning every moment you've ever played out in your entire life from birth to death is always happening in synchronous existence.
>>70321825
Are you retarded? You CAN travel through time, you're technically traveling through time right now.
Time isn't static, it's relative.
>>70298477
Kevin?
>>70321932
That was in reference to the concept of time travel.
Anyway, time is human perception. All things that have happened and ever will happen I consider to be happening synchronously. Definable variables should be discerned by dimension, not timeline.
>>70297913
Kyle Reese is an alias, his real name is John Connor.
>>70322094
Time is not human perception.
It's it's own dimension (spacetime) and is a way to measure duration.
>>70319838
You never saw Carnivale? He's great, just miscast.
>>70322161
spacetime and the common notion of time are not the same thing
Terminator genysis wasn't that bad
>>70322242
caloreesi pls go
>>70315986
>forward
Travel at velocities close to C and see what happens
>>70322242
I've read your post before, it wasn't funny the first time, it wasn't funny now either.
>>70318490
But isn't the future technically the past from a more advanced future?
>>70322235
Spacetime is just a way to combine the two into one continuum, but you're right spacetime in and of itself isn't it's own dimension it's the seamless combination of two dimensions.
Point is time is not perception.
>>70298037
you're just too stupid to recognize intelligence anon
>>70322690
>replying to a post made 16 hours ago
that guy must've made you pretty butthurt
>>70319346
Stop at T2.
>>70297913
Kyle and John are of the same age.
>>70298477
fucking Kevin does it again
>>70299054
>as established in T2
someone didn't watch the director's cut...
>>70300024
the future can't be rewritten, that's T2 bullshit
>>70299958
There is no "original timeline" there is only one timeline, and events within it play out in the only way they possibly could have. If you can't grasp this concept it's time to accept you're not a smart person and belong in a tollbooth
>>70300151
>She would've fuck the guy and got pregnant with John.
except the circumstances involved in her meeting Kyle were founded on the dude cancelling the date.
>>70313614
A large hard-on collider
It's like it's so gay it's daring God to prove his own existence
>>70322367
>>70322312
For what the movie was, it was enjoyable.
Felt like a fan film.
It's not canon to me at all though.
Are Kyle Reese's memories flashbacks or flashforwards?
>>70321871
At least he could go train hard in alternate universes enough to fix his own though
>>70304828
James Cameron has the same taste in women as me. Gale Ann Hurd, Linda Hamilton.
>>70300151
Lol no, Kyle came from a future where the things that happened in the film had already happened, there were no timelines, whatever happened was destined to happen.
>>70315538
>Benny Hill theme starts playing
>>70304828
>thinking cersi is hot
do you watch a lot of NOT son videos on the site without mothers?
>>70317961
we should have 4chan awards. This post would be nominated for most underrated comments award.
>>70323702
>Felt like a fan film
I agree with that, it's like one of those late 90's internet bad fanfictions, but to me it wasn't enjoyable seeing something that made part of my life, since childhood to adulthood, morphing into a generic dumb movie, I know this is the third bad movie in the Terminator series, and this one my not be as bad as Salvation, but it's probably the most offensive and made not want see anything new related to series ever again.
>>70322232
>miscast
Agree.
>>70323757
fuck, another gem of underrated post
>>70299958
There doesnt have to be an original timeline in this scenario. Theres always a loop running in 1984 and 1984 is the start of all of it. To the people not involved in time jumping (like sarah) Reese and The terminator just appear in 1984. Kyle Reese (who's matter is from the future and is separate from matter in 1984) knocks up Sarah and dies in 1984. That same timeline moving forward the Kyle Reese that will eventually go back in time is now born. He is sent back by John (who knows he needs to send him back to create him, due to his mom figuring out the loop). The beginning of the whole thing is future Kyle just aappearing and fucking Sarah. That is the original way John was created and the original John. Its always the same John with the same parents.
>>70297913
She has a one night stand with someone at Tech Noir. That child becomes John. New timeline is initiated when John sends Reese back. Post-Reese John assumes leadership of the Resistance quicker, with Reese having prepped his mom for the coming war.
>>70324018
>original
You're a fuck up, kiddo.
Neither of the women that have played Sarah Connor that star in GoT are Linda Hamilton, the original.
End yourself.
>>70297913
it wasnt kyle reese in the first iteration
kyle reese does it once, and forevermore a loop is established, stretching forward and backward infinitely
>>70322420
If you invent a time machine you cant travel to a point before the time machine existed.
>>70300906
That's my fetish
