Just finished this movie and I'm sick to my stomach. I can't vent anywhere without being labeled intolerant or racist. And the fact that I can't vent makes my hatred worse.
what is it that you hate exactly
There is one place here where you won't be shouted down for voicing the truth.
You know where. Come home, white man.
>>70203901
Women.
>>70203901
I hate that we have politicians in America who still consider Islam a religion of peace. How Americans can be so stupid to elect someone who won't call terrorism and terrorism. I hate how the death of navy seals can be purposely ignored so that there can be a possibility of Hillary Clinton becoming president. I hate how Hillary Clinton took the heat from this so that Obama could be re elected. I hate how brainwashed the whole country is. I should just move
>>70204110
Terrorism terrorism*
>Michael Bay
>directing a real war movie about Benghazi
This alone pisses me off. Not even worth torrenting because i know it will rustle me on every level.
I bet there isn't even any good operator stuff.
>>70204110
The whole world is cucked m8, there's nowhere to move.
>>70204110
Hillary Clinton will be arrested. Dont worry
what difference does it make?
>>70204441
>forgetting "at this point"
>>70204254
Its operator as fuck. There are some parts that look very dynamic and lifelike
>>70204404
lol riiiiiiggghhhhttt. That won't happen.
>>70204254
It's not that bad. The whole thing is like 2.5 hrs long, but I never felt like it dragged on. You get your typical Bay explosions and excessive shots of the American flag, but overall it ain't all that bad. There is extensive use of operators operating in a fitting manner, so if that's your thing you'll enjoy it.
Brace yourself for shit tier writing and one liners though.
>>70204110
>being this much of a child
if 10% of fuck ups shown in this movie are real, you should gut the whole god damn white house and rebuild it senpai.
>>70203866
Only the US would abandon its own like that. And try to cover it up. It's disgusting.
>>70204110
Barack Hussein Obama aka B.O. is not my president ok? God bless America amen
>>70203866
>An incredibly confusing, incoherent, chaotic situation
>Michael Bay's most coherent, clear and restrained directing
Does he do this just to troll critics?
>>70203866
>I can't vent anywhere without being labeled intolerant or racist
how bout here, you stupid nigger?
>>70204997
My favourite part is how motherfuckers would just troll up in the middle of a battle with AK's and Rocket Launchers and the Americans are like;
>"Uh, are you a friendly?"
>"Dunno. Who you shooting at?"
>"Uh, those guys over there?"
>"Yeah, I don't like them. I'll shoot at them too. Also give us your car."
>>70204254
>doesn't rate Bay
>doesn't rate the best film of the year so far
WEW
>>70205574
There was exactly 1 actual fuck up.
Being there.
It's like right now in my country we're having some huge investigation into how police handled a terrorist attack, and everyone's pointing fingers and carrying on trying to pinpoint all the little mistakes and problems.
The only problem is the first problem, and it's the most simple;
Don't let a fucking terrorist into your country. Boom. Problem solved.
>>70206436
>mfw the only bayhem shot was the mortar one
unless i missed the others
>>70204254
It's full of typical Bay directorial retardation, but it's honestly the best thing he's shot (technically) and I guess owing to the material he didn't feel the need to indulge his typical Bay isms too heavily.
The "Michael Bay Mortar Shot" was a bit on the nose, but even that kind of works in the context of the story.
>>70204254
>le "michael bay is a bad director" meme
there's a website where you belong, and it's not this one
>>70206593
Check the dialogue scenes. I think we get like five shots looking straight up an actors nose as he does something in the foreground (like shred paper or make a phone call) with the ever present twirling fan directly above him.
It works a bunch in this film though, since his love of putting ABSOLUTELY FUCKING EVERYTHING in the frame makes sense in a chaotic, crumbling shit hole.
He also shot the car chase remarkably well for a Bay film. Didn't notice any stock footage, and he actually had the actors in the same shot as the environment. Really lightened up on the speed cutting too.
>>70205934
tbf to america they probably have undercover CIA bases in every major city in the world, and in the event any country found out then the US would have a few too many problems to deal with so they can just refuse to believe the bases exist
>>70206630
He is a bad director. Guy is great for commercials or if you're cutting together a trailer. But he's like the Chris Tucker of directing. Every. Single. Shot. is MAXIMUM IMPACT and cut together almost at random because it's EXTREEEEM.
His action scenes are usually Nolan-esque in their refusal to make any sense or pass for real.
This used a lot of similar stuff, but since he dialed it back a lot I think it actually worked. during the chaotic battle scenes. He was also forced by the nature of the material to make sure the geography and events were clear and established when they had to be.
>>70206174
basically this
>>70206760
This.
I couldn't be the only one who thought "Bob" was kind of getting the rough end of the stick on this. The base was a clandestine CIA base using private mercenaries instead of military for a reason.
>>70204254
it's Bay-kino as fuck m8
>>70206630
You actually like Michael Bay? His movies are the scum of the earth
>>70206916
No, they aren't. Fuck off tumblr.
>>70206916
and why is that?
do you listen to mark cuckmode by any chance?
>>70206630
he's good at what he does but what he does is stupid
BEST: Bad Boys 2
WORST: Transformers 2
FAVORITE: Pain and Gain
OVERRATED: The Rock
UNDERRATED: The Island
>>70207152
>overrated: The Rock
>>70204254
It's a pretty solid movie
>>70206504
>"Welcome to Bengahzi"
>>70205064
Not an argument.
Does it follow the real events closely? How does it make clinton look?
>>70207034
>>70207035
Yes they are, clearly
And that makes both of you scum.. clearly, for liking them and not knowing why his movies are utter garbage.
I have no idea who mark cuckmode is btw
>>70205064
>being this much of a child
>posting Anime
>>70206916
>tumblr
>everyone's watching football while there is a fucking war going on
![rep-13hoursthesecretsoldiers.1080p.bluray.x264.mkv_snapshot_00.40.53_[2016.05.29_12.42.29].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GvyX7e2.jpg "rep-13hoursthesecretsoldiers.1080p.bluray.x264.mkv_snapshot_00.40.53_[2016.05.29_12.42.29].jpg")
It's a fucking fantastic anti-war film, and at that quite heavily against America's intrusion of others soil. Bay only has a few slips with military tech fetishizations during the whole fucking run time which is amazing.
It also looks beautiful, Bay and Dion were made to work together. Horror influences worked wonders.
If you are basing your belief system and opinions on things you saw in a Michael Bay film then you need to go under the sink and drink all of the chemicals there because you are done as a human being.
>>70208650
your embarrassingly flimsy fake understanding of cinema is more than 5 years out of date please just stop posting here
>>70206760
You're pretty much right. Watch any old news videos of CIA handlers and whatnot. It's standard operating procedure for the SAD/SOG to be disavowed if caught or captured during operations.
>>70204110
I understand that you're upset because you're incredibly susceptible to propaganda, have very little foresight, and probably isn't very discerning regarding political dealings and strategies.
The fact that there are peaceful Muslims illustrates that Islam isn't the problem, HOWEVER, placing them ALL in the same basket is. You don't like being seen as a racist or intolerant and I don't believe you are, but YOU ARE a fucking idiot, like most racists.
Obama along with his administration has decided that the only true Muslims are the peaceful ones. There's no need in giving peaceful Muslims a reason for hating the US government because we choose to view their religion as an issue. It isn't. We've rewritten the narrative concerning who the true Muslims are such that we can separate our allies from the soon-to-be cannon fodder. This gives us the ability to hit extremists where it counts without offending the entirety of the Muslim community.
STOP LISTENING TO IDIOTS AND YOU WOULDNT BE UPSET
I hate how conservative subterfuge so easily dupes their supporters. You'll always feel threatened, lowly, accursed, and downtrodden with the conservative republicans.
>>70210021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LapjEWTWUyU&index=57&list=PLFgyT-WnheqDhahiorGmPsNY5Nv9FSGFy
hmmm
>>70210021
>it's a "let me explain why it's ok for radicals to murder my country's people while I spread my ass cheeks for cultural enrichment" episode
>>70210244
>all muslims agree
>100% all agree about everything
yeah ok, stop being a retard.
like all christians agree about anything, right?
i don't even need to watch that to know that it's propaganda.
>>70210311
I don't care if they agree or not, they would go with the flow if they were a majority by fear or being called apostats. This video shows how peer pressure and religion go hand in hand. Peaceful muslim are the ones who will watch you get stoned but not do the stoning themselves.
this takes place in fucking norway btw
>>70210297
>it's a "let's group everyone together based on one aspect of their being even though a few of them agree with our perspective and proceed to treat them all the same while simultaneously illustrating that we can't be trusted or just" episode
if you don't want to think, that's fine, but admit that you stopped a long time ago and let the smarties do the thinking for you.
>>70210369
>they would go with the flow if they were a majority by fear or being called apostats
damn nigger, you sure that you're not describing yourself?
check your irony at the door pls.
>>70208452
Jack Silva was resolved that he wouldn't fight again. But Tanto? IRL dude misses it! What gives? Are SEALs actuallyhuman?
>>70210369
Peaceful Christians are standing still in America letting America bomb other countries for 'freedom' (read for: oil dollars, military-prison industry)
>>70210531
i'm sure seeing a lot of white people lynching other races in 21 century first world country
>>70210627
We do it with drones and missile strikes. More efficient.
>>70210600
americans should wage a full scale war against their government anyway
not saying they are better
"peaceful" only means that you follow stronger than you
>>70210021
>You'll always feel threatened, lowly, accursed, and downtrodden with the conservative republicans.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Move to Europe if you want to be a cuck.
>>70210674
>americans should wage a full scale war against their government anyway
The US govt has many faults, but it's nowhere near as fucked as most European govts. If you want civil war in America, you'll need to start one in eurocuckland first.
>>70206785
>He was also forced by the nature of the material to make sure the geography and events were clear and established when they had to be.
This is literally impossible for Bay so I guess they hired a second, non-retarded director for those parts.
>>70210627
>i'm sure seeing a lot of white people lynching other races in 21 century first world country
do you understand the shit minorities had to go through to keep 20th century white people from doing that well into the 21st century?
>we're now great people and those mudslimes are evil because they've not realized their moral failures as quickly as we have
if we do this shit properly, we'll stop producing avengers and instead produce people willing to acknowledge and adhere to the western world's values.
>>70207152
>UNDERRATED: The Island
It's beyond shit m8
>>70210771
>do you understand the shit minorities had to go through to keep 20th century white people from doing that well into the 21st century?
No, and you neither. We weren't here and those people are dead.
>if we do this shit properly, we'll stop producing avengers and instead produce people willing to acknowledge and adhere to the western world's values.
Consumerism isn't a value, if anything, people convert to islam because of the spiritual black hole this whole era created.
>>70210746
We've been rioting for months, for all the wrong reasons mind you, but we're doing it. Enjoy the fluoride in your tap water and keep thinking you have it better.
>>70204110
Don't worry, when Trump is elected Hillary will be behind bars where she belongs and Obama can be some religious ambassador and kiss all the Muslim ass he wants without fucking up the western world.
>>70210702
>comparing vigilance to juvenile feelings of insecurity
liberty and vigilance..you hardly know the meanings of such terms.
>>70210771
>produce people willing to acknowledge and adhere to the western world's values.
More like we'll produce Rotherham 2.0
>>70210861
>fluoride in the tap water
Nice /pol/ meme there, friendo.
>and keep thinking you have it better.
Europe is stuck in feudal times. No free speech, the right to keep and bear arms was long since abandoned, police can barge in at any time and search anything they want with impunity. Taxes are sky-high, government intervenes in every part of life.
PS. I'm saying this as an eurocuck.
>>70210878
>liberty and vigilance..you hardly know the meanings of such terms.
I know full well the meaning of those terms. You, not so much, which is why you downplay the importance of said phenomena.
Gaddafi killed for talking about the Gold Dinar, real currency, no more fiat currency.
The confusion about who the tangos are or who the friendlies are, is Islam. Not even the muslims know who the good guys or bad guys are. Loyalties change like the wind in the middle east.
Never ever trust a muslim.
>>70210926
>No free speech
You do understand that the meaning of free speech doesn't mean 100% free speech?
It is the level of free speech that can be achieved when you take into accounts the law of the certain country, the laws of European Union (and the solved cases of Justice of the European Union) and the European Convention on Human Rights of Council of Europe (and the solved cases of European Court of Human Rights)
>>70210988
>Gaddafi killed for talking about the Gold Dinar, real currency, no more fiat currency.
In other words, he was a smart man.
"Real currency" doesn't exist, and the modern economic system doesn't function without an ever increasing money supply, which only works when the value of money isn't tied to a limited resource.
>>70210861
>No, and you neither. We weren't here and those people are dead.
most of the people born in the 1950s and some born in the 1940s are still fucking alive.
>needing to experience every tragedy 1st hand to understand their complexity
as long as we have accurate accounts of the things that have happened, empathy goes a long way in understanding people's experiences.
stop reaching for a counter argument when you're basically saying that 'history is useless so let's just do whatever we want'.
>spiritual black hole this whole era created.
babbies 1st reality check. this entire world, since its creation has lacked enough spirituality to keep people from tearing at each other's throats - this era is no different. if anything, it's slightly better.
>>70211021
>You do understand that the meaning of FREE speech doesn't mean 100% free speech?
America doesn't need 100% free speech to beat Europe. In France and Germany, "hate speech" can land you in jail for years and result in massive fines.
>It is the level of free speech that can be achieved when you take into ACCOUNTS the law of the certain country, the laws of European Union (and the solved cases of Justice of the European Union) and the European Convention on Human Rights of Council of Europe (and the solved cases of European Court of Human Rights)
Said "level" of free speech is disappointingly low. I don't think you quite understand how strong the 1st amendment is, and how weak the European equivalents are.
>>70210926
>fluoride
not saying it's a brainwashing substance, but the effects of large doses (especially on young children) haven't been properly researched at all, pretty sure pharmaceutical companies are grateful for that.
>bear arms
Guessing you're a brit, brits can't even own knifes. You actually can own firearms in you jump the proper hoops in my country.
>no free speech
like those american kids who joked they were going to shoot a school and were jailed?
Try to say something against the zionists on TV in the US and see what happens.
>Taxes are sky-high, government intervenes in every part of life.
And if you're sick it doesn't cost much at all, and if you break your leg and can't work it's taken care of. It's not a perfect system at all but better than being a disposable pawn tossed aside when broken.
>>70210021
>peaceful Muslims illustrates that Islam isn't the problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7TAAw3oQvg
True, but as the video shows tolerate, peaceful Muslims are in a very small minority. Islam is a problem.
>>70210021
t. Takbir
>>70211021
>You do understand that the meaning of free speech doesn't mean 100% free speech?
europoops actually believe this kike propaganda lmfao
>>70211099
You can have pro-nazi rallies in Europe, think we have quite good enough freedom of speech.
>most of the people born in the 1950s and some born in the 1940s are still fucking alive.
Sad for them. Still doesn't mean we have to held no minority accountable because their grand parents suffered. It's the same logic than israel. Oy vey we kill palestinians now but we died in droves in the past so it's okay.
babbies 1st reality check. this entire world, since its creation has lacked enough spirituality to keep people from tearing at each other's throats - this era is no different. if anything, it's slightly better.
sure, whatever
>>70210021
>muslim
>race
How to stop a liberal who gets all his information from Viacoms "comedynews" and social media.
>>70211192
>You can have pro-nazi rallies in Europe,
you literally cant?
you go to jail for even drawing a fucking swastika on paper in your third world hellhole, classifying every right wing alternative fringe party as "nazis" just shows how cucked you are
>>70210021
t. Ahkmed
>>70211186
If you have 100% free speech you will inevitably break someone's human and/or civil rights (either through the laws of the country, or through it's commitment to EU or human rights).
Free speech is only as large as it can be within the limits of the human/civil rights.
>>70211224
But you can though. Or even anti-Islam.
I think all of Islam should be put into their own little corner of earth and contained there. Be 'peaceful' among yourselves please.
>>70211258
>If you have 100% free speech you will inevitably break someone's human and/or civil rights
aka you cant have free speech in countries that dont allow free speech such as north korea and europe
how about u go be a third worlder living in a muslim hellhole police state with no guns on a european imageboard
>>70211151
>peaceful Muslims are in a very small minority. Islam is a problem.
why do you keep missing the point about Islam? it's a non-issue, while extremist are very much so the issue.
are goal is to uphold that minority as the rightful practitioners of the religion. we wil thoroughly fuck any extremists that goes against their example.
the only people that can't see this are fucking retarded christians trying to have a country fight their religious wars - that seek vindication for the world's government because of their perceived special status. i don't give a fuck about any of these religions as long as their adherers are peaceful. ratcheting up "my religion is better because etc etc" is just as bad of those extremist cunts.
>>70211308
>you cant have free speech in countries that dont allow free speech such as north korea and europe
What
>>70211313
are you european or australian
yes?
your country and opinion is irrelevant because you live in a totalitarian country full of muslims that has weekly terrorist attacks while america is actually the greatest and most relevant country on earth so maybe u should stop talking thank u
>>70211335
my point is the retard is saying that stupid free speech isn't hate speech kike bullshit because "you can have free speech as long as you dont violate any of the laws restrict you from speaking freely" is only considered "free speech' by muslim eurocucks
>>70211346
i'm american.
sorry my opinion doesn't fit your indoctrinated stereotypes.
>>70211346
>full of muslims
>australian
we don't tolerate that shit
we even have an island and a few camps for "refugees" like a 3 star Guantanamo
>>70211379
i'm californian*
ftfy
>>70211365
Free speech has been limited in Europe for ages, it is literally nothing new.
How fucking baby you have to be to find it new, to think it's something revelatory?
>>70211313
>why do you keep missing the point about Islam?
Have you read any of the shit in the Quran? Any religion that teaches what Islam teaches shouldn't exist. Not to mention everything is the Quran is supposed to be taken literally, unlike other religions.
>>70211380
>we don't tolerate that shit
Are you forgetting that Melbourne aka New San Francisco actually resides within your country?
>>70211388
mississippian actually
i'm laughing because i already know where you're going to go with this bit of info.
>>70211400
>w-we've always been cucks with no free speech so it doesnt matter
E U R O P E A N S A R E A C T U A L L Y T H I S C U C K E D
>>70211420
no, melbourne and western sydney should be nuked and concreted
just like washington DC, Baltimore, East NYC, North California etc.
>>70211440
I don't think it is negative thing to respect the rights of your fellow people.
You Americans are really really weird.
>>70210021
>peaceful Muslims
>>70211419
I've read enough of the Christian Bible to know that most "Christians" pick and choose which tenets to observe.
Muslims are likely to be no different.
>>70211463
What moral right is anyone denied by anyone speaking freely?
>>70211526
>moral right.
Are not applicable or comparable to laws.
>>70211484
The Old testament is old and was forgotten for the new testament.
The new testament is pure and sounds like a child work compare to the violence of the Quran
>>70211420
Are you aware that San Francisco aka Actual San Francisco actually resides within your country?
You're so ignorant of the world at large that you can't even insult another man's country without insulting our own as a reference point.
Having actually been to all three continents in question, I can tell you without a doubt that the USA is the closest to the third world that an English-speaking country gets - I'm a 6'2 white guy and I felt more welcome in Mexico City than LA.
>>70211425
go back 2 africa???
It's difficult. What the administration did was politically correct. But by respecting Muslims, the US gained nothing.
>>70211553
laws are meant to be the practical application of morals/ethics
you retard
>>70211611
dude ur arguing with a literal nigger i suggest u just ignore him because trump will send him back to africa when he wins
>>70211598
>But by respecting Muslims, the US gained nothing.
How is having an illegal CIA base in the country respecting Muslims?
>>70211611
Yes they are, but moral rights are not applicable or comparable to laws. At best you can make a statement about what kind of laws and politics law should follow in the coming years with a moral statement, but in the court they won't do you any good unless it's a very special case (like one that has no written law behind it, or it can't be applied for some reason in certain case)
>>70211484
To be Christian is to follow Christ's teachings. To be Muslim is to follow Muhammad's. The entirety of the Quran is written by Muhammad himself, none of the Bible of written by Christ.
>>70211672
[loud monkey noises]
>>70211574
I was expecting insults along the lines of something regarding our supposed social and technological backwardness.
>how are you typing from a wooden pc
or
>why are you on 4chan when you could be fucking your sister
>>70211672
then you admit laws currently are subjective garbage rules mandated by governments?
>>70211721
No, why should I? Come up with a question that's not loaded to balls and leading next time
>>70211720
go
back
2
africa
u
stinky
coon
???
???
>>70204254
Theres lots of operator stuff in this. Infact, its the reason why I watched it. Dont care much about the political circus surrounding benghazi and its very easy to ignore it in this movie outside of some throwaway lines. Shame it bombed so hard. It deserved better. Liberals hate is because they think it slanders Hillary and conservatives hate it because it because it doesnt mention Hillary. Ayy lmao.
>>70210021
>Extremist Buddhists are only involved in local conflicts
>Extremist Hindus are only involved in local conflicts
>Extremist Christians are only involved in local conflicts
>Extremist Muslims are committing acts of terrorism and enforcing brutal theocratic regimes all over the world.
>>70211746
either laws are the practical manifestation of objective moral principles or they are the whim (subjective ruling) of legislators/monarchs
>>70211790
>Extremist Muslims are committing acts of terrorism and enforcing brutal theocratic regimes all over the world
Extremist Christians are commiting acts of terrorism and enforcing brutal theocratic regimes all over the world too.
Just look at what Christian led America did to Libya.
>>70211720
>supposed social and technological backwardness
top kek
>>70211820
>Obama and Hilary
>extremist Christians
>>70211867
Good lord if they aren't even EXTREMIST imagine what EXTREMIST christian can do!
>>70211820
Libya did that to themselves. Did you forget the Arab Spring?
>>70211720
Not an argument.
>>70211814
>>70211814
Laws do reflect society's moral, ethical views, yes. This is true.
What is unclear for you? You do know that trying to argue with a moral stance in court is useless, because it isn't a law (with some few expectations)
>>70211820
>Christian led America
Joke of the year for many years to come!
>>70211897
>. Did you forget the Arab Spring?
That thing orchestrated by Google, NSA and USA's military?
>>70211922
>Laws do reflect society's moral, ethical views, yes. This is true.
>>70211553
>Are not applicable or comparable to laws.
>>70211820
>Just look at what Christian led America did to Libya.
They (wrongly) removed a (good) dictator, but if the majority of Libyans weren't Muslim fuckheads that wouldn't have turned the country into a living hell.
>>70211982
Qadaffi wasn't "good". But his regime worked.
Try to avoid labeling people as good or bad.
>>70211957
I don't know why that is unclear to you. If you would allow moral views to dictate the discourse of court or law based activity (other than creating laws) you would have no legal certainty, or protection from state/country when other people break your rights, or any sort of predictability.
Cases where person X can't be punished due to few factors are cases where you can draw from principles of law (which are also codified) but not from morals.
You must hava very wild legal system if moral views are applicable to laws in your country.
>>70211948
Nice tinfoil hat. Maybe you should stick with /pol/.
>>70210435
>>it's a "let's group everyone together based on one aspect of their being even though a few of them agree with our perspective
Then they're not muslims.
>it's a /pol/luted thread episode
Wow. People on a 'movie' appreciation forum praising a Michael Bay film. Best stick to may mays /tv/ seriously.
>>70210021
>placing all Muslims in the same basket is the problem
By your own words, you should reconsider this:
>The fact that there are peaceful Muslims illustrates that Islam isn't the problem
So long as we aren't placing all Muslims in the same basket, let's also not be blind to the fact that while most Muslims have never harmed and will never harm anyone, there are virulent strains of Islam (Wahhabism) which have repeatedly caused problems.
By your own words, not all Islam is the same, after all. Let's not paint all of it with the same peace-coloured brush.
>>70211598
>destabilise sovereign nation with espionage within their borders, for who knows how many decades
>begin ideological war against their predominant religion with one of the most brazen false flag attacks of all time
>use social media to incite their population to rebellion
>allow half-mad religious extremists, blind with hatred after a decade of your relentless persecution across all media, to assume control of power vacuum
>leave country with crocodile tears in your eyes and a fake tail between your legs after "tragic loss" of your now-useless spy base
>observe as country tears itself to pieces and the oil flows freely again
>blame Muslims
>put the politician responsible for the whole debacle up for nomination as a Presidential candidate
>pay Hollywood to make a movie about the heroic soldiers who defended your illegal spy base
Nothing about Libya was respectful to anyone, certainly not to Muslims and especially not to the intelligence of the general public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGyt3ZDv2Y
Can't wait until this starts happening in Europe.
>>70212102
>>begin ideological war against their predominant religion with one of the most brazen false flag attacks of all time
wat was this
>>70203866
Vote Trump or it will be worse.
A propaganda movie of a propaganda operation, made by the same people.
>>70203866
>all muslims subscribe to wahhabism, especially the ones fleeing from it, because the politics board on an anime website told me
why do muslims keep attacking us for no reason?!?!?! stop interfering with other peoples countries!!!!
>>70212141
See I though that was a silly question because 9/11 was the obvious answer but it really has been ongoing since the days of Reagan and Iran Contra, so to be honest there's probably a dozen possible events to pick from.
>>70212634
Damn son 9/11 a false flag? Iran Contra yes, but 9/11?
>>70211790
my friend aren't you forgetting someone
This movie was really a piece with American Sniper, in that it just became something you liked or hated to signal your political views, often without even watching it. Having seen it it's way too cynical about the usefulness of American intervention in the middle east to called propaganda. The crux of the film is when Jack Silva worries whether he might die for nothing. "What would they say about me? He died in a place he didn't need to be, in a battle over something he doesn't understand, in a country that meant nothing to him." The continued inability to tell friend from foe makes American presence in Benghazi almost seem malignantly useless. It honours the sacrifice of the men who saved lives while also suggesting they should never have been there in the first place. Also it looks super cool, loved the action.
its a movie about mercenaries doing their job.
then complaining about not getting a parade... after working for the CIA and getting paid a fucking mint.
>>70212524
Fucking leftists always pulling this shit, conveniently leaving out over a thousand years of Muslim invasions spreading out from the Middle East.
I wonder if there's people in North Africa that complain about the Barbary pirates kidnapping Europeans, or the slave trade that was rampant there and the ME.
>>70213028
>The crux of the film is when Jack Silva worries whether he might die for nothing. "What would they say about me? He died in a place he didn't need to be, in a battle over something he doesn't understand, in a country that meant nothing to him."
and this coupled with the two useless fucking stars is why I think this film was intended, and does factually, end in a sad note - a tragedy and heavy statement on the futility of war and interventionist policies.
>>70207046
>he's good at what he does but what he does isfun[\spoiler]
>>70213028
>It honours the sacrifice of the men who saved lives while also suggesting they should never have been there in the first place. Also it looks super cool, loved the action.
Agreed on both accounts.
You don't happen to have Letterboxd account m8
>>70207722
>>70213314
Nah man, though I liked this review of it.
https://letterboxd.com/applesmcgrind/film/13-hours-the-secret-soldiers-of-benghazi/
This is what made me want to watch it in the first place.
>>70213387
heh I liked it too.
>>70210021
>I understand that you're upset because you're incredibly susceptible to propaganda, have very little foresight, and probably isn't very discerning regarding political dealings and strategies.
All pointless ad-hominem attacks
>The fact that there are peaceful Muslims illustrates that Islam isn't the problem, HOWEVER, placing them ALL in the same basket is. You don't like being seen as a racist or intolerant and I don't believe you are, but YOU ARE a fucking idiot, like most racists.
Peaceful muslims only prove that some aren't as devout as other muslims. More pointless ad hominems.
>Obama along with his administration has decided that the only true Muslims are the peaceful ones.
No true Scotsmen fallacy. it doesn't matter what Obama decides. Look up "Surah 9:5." pic related
To be Muslim is to be Violent
>>70204254
>implying Michael Bay isn't capable of making true Kino
I haven't seen it but Pain and Gain made me completely change my view on him as a director, and I can't wait to see it.
>>70213486
>No true Scotsmen fallacy. it doesn't matter what Obama decides. Look up "Surah 9:5."
Yes it does. You think every societal/identity construct is scientific?
But as with most people that portend to understand fallacies, not only are they susceptible of committing them, they try to tactically deploy them.
your argument
>no muslim is peaceful
>but this group of less devout muslims are
>yeah, but no TRUE MUSLIM is peaceful
no true scotsman fallacy, right? get out of my face with your partial understanding of logical fallacies.
>all pointless ad-hominem attacks
are you really that kind of idiot to posit the obvious? i was TRYING to insult him.
>>70210591
my uncle is a contractor. that cunt hasn't stopped since he left the army in 2002. i don't think its possible for them to operate 24/7 for months at a time and then just turn it off.
>Come back to this thread
>Muslims and Non Muslims arguing about /pol/ shit
At least keep it line with the movie.
>>70213871
It's terrible m8.
Completely wasted opportunity. The material is crippled by Michael Bay's awful direction.
I wrote Bay off completely since on paper Pain and Gain seemed like the perfect Bay film.
However, looking back in light of 13 Hours, it was more than Pain And Gain really wasn't perfect Bay material. It was something The Coens or Sodenbergh would do really well, if they were imitating or parodying Bay.
13 Hours, where Bay has been constrained by many factors (politically, budget wise) was actually great. Bay's often incoherent and ugly style actually works really well in the context of this film, and his being chained to having to keep his action scenes somewhat realistic and coherent to make sure the story works actually modifies his directing and makes it work.
While at the same time not losing it's "Bay-ness".
He really found the sweet spot (for him) on this one.
>>70213940
Contractors don't operate, they sit on a base in the green zone and occasionally either man relatively safe checkpoints or do VIP security.
>>70210591
Tanto wasn't a SEAL.
He was a Marine (or a Ranger - can't remember which one was which).
Jim From The Office and Tyrone were both SEAL's. As was there boss who got hit by the Mortar.
>>70213976
+1
This isn't letterboxd, fuck off with your pretentious blogs.
>>70212667
Jesus Christ anon, are you 12 or what?
>>70214001
Even in Benghazi they technically weren't meant to be operating. They did that against orders. They were meant to protect the Annex.
That's why I feel bad for Bob and how they keep making him look bad in the film.
His job was to run a clandestine operation, hence using Mercenaries instead of actual military. Even the military were like "Hey, we just found out we have CIA assets not 1 mile from the compound, why can't we use them?".
>>70213976
i guess every /tv/ enthusiast is an arts-major with extensive directing/producing/writing experience and justifiably can state that certain directors/producers/writers are garbage based on this.
i often wonder if maybe i should pretend that i have an arts-major and extensive directing/producing/writing experience so that i too, can enjoy critiquing the work of established directors/producers/writers with no fear of reprisal, due to my extensive experience in directing/producing/writing and well known and respected career in directing/producing/writing.
>>70214098
It's a Michael Bay gets into an argument online with children who make fun of his movie episode.
>>70214001
yeah ok, you officially have no clue what goes on.
contractors do everything from CQP of state officials to payroll runs for local police/army and others. they work with natives and are at risk of ambush every day.
if they aren't in "operator" mode then they'd be pretty shitty contractors.
>>70214149
you're just so obviously on the hate bandwagon, i cant take you or your opinions seriously when you say dumb shit like "the material is crippled by Michael Bay's awful direction", it just shows you're hatred of the man for god-knows-what overshadows anything he might do.
which is a shame, because 13 hours is quite good.
>>70214241
I'm not talking about 13 Hours.
I was talking about Pain and Gain, and then follow it up by explicitly stating that the material of 13 Hours plays straight into his strengths in a way that Pain And Gain doesn't.
I'm sorry you're so upset by opinions.
>>70214334
shit. im going to close this thread now and pretend this never happened.
