What are some films with thought-provoking themes whose discussion has been actively censored?
>>69762196
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
>>69762196
That one.
>>69762196
Pretty baby
>>69762196
BvS
can't even talk good about it without being called a troll or contrarian on reddit
it's so sad
Apparently BvS and MoS.
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Sharknado 4
>>69762322
Daredevil isn't even a talkie.
>>69762196
Wouldn't you rather be discussing the wonderful and thought-provoking film sensations brought to us by those wonderful merchants of imagination™ who've brought us the MCU™?
>>69762302
You contrarian troll
>>69762196
>>69762302
mods are shuting your ass down cause you are spamming the same shit over and over, this only proves is just one guy who likes that garbage
>>69762322
nice like darkkino shows
>>69762391
Fuck you, you confimationally-biased asshole. I've been TRYING to take part in each and every one of those threads.
If you can't handle people liking shit you don't, hide the fucking thread and stop being a mouth-breathing little titty baby about the grown-ups talking quietly in the corner.
Seriously, pull that thumb out of your mouth and shove it directly up your gaping asshole.
>>69762391
>one guy
keep thinking that buddy
No fucking excuse for actual intelligent discussion to be fucking deleted
>>69762644
Circlejerking about how that shot looks like a pieta or how allegedly smart Lex's plan is not actual intelligent discussion.
>>69762702
you seem quite upset that people enjoyed a movie and enjoy talking about it.
>>69762310
>>69762196
most likely, janitors have retarded personal preferences, as everybody else here, and act upon them using a biased interpretation of the rules, as anybody else would.
if you don't like it, it sucks to be you, but that's how the rest of the world works.
>>69762702
Yeah? And this is?
>>69761301
We can't even get that far without chucklefucks like you sticking their fat fucking heads in to argue about things we all take as givens.
Don't want to see it? FUCKING FINE. Hide the shit and move on with your fucking life.
>>69762779
>Don't want to see it? FUCKING FINE. Hide the shit and move on with your fucking life.
Oh the irony
>>69762807
Where's the goddamn irony you fucking oxygen thief? I haven't been a fucking Marvel™ thread all night till dipshits like you kept quashing all DC discussion.
>>69762141
Evansposting thread still up, while legit discussion is suppressed.
Explain this.
>>69762856
>>69762141
See this shit, asshole? Fucking look at it. Take a long hard fucking look. This is your mentality. This is your fucking champion,
Now go revel in your fucking victory,
>>69762391
it's more like 4 or 5 extremely buttblasted dcucks that literally never leave this board
>>69762807
Come on, dipshit, Take a look at >>69762141 and talk to me more about all this irony.
You want to be an idiot the rest of your life? No skin off my fucking back. Go talk about Cap's epic grip-reversal some more. Talk about how all the grills soaked their seats to his unmatched /fit/ness, and make some more of those DYEL jokes that weren't tired 6 years ago.
Go ahead, Kneel to your fucking king,
>>69763023
Motherfucker, you and none of your retarded "friends" has what it takes to get me buttblasted, but you pussies are so terrified that someone might want to talk about shit you can't understand that you'll report a thread on reflex like a fucking trained monkey,
You're a walking pile of shit and the saddest part is you're too fucking stupid to even know it.
>two months since BvS has been released
>they've just hit the second stage
Well that's later than expected
>>69762210
Remake of Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla when?
>>69762196
>is it okay for some really strong magic aliens to fight other strong aliens without government approval?
>is it okay for one really strong magic alien to fight other magic aliens without government approval?
yeah the themes of one of those sure is deeper and more thought provoking than the other. the true age of Capekino is here I sure am glad it's the only fucking movie genre that gets made anymore
>>69763320
What fucking emotion are people actively being prevented from holding a discussion about a movie on A GODDAMN MOVIE BOARD supposed to feel, you waste of fucking flesh?
Are you really that fucking stupid? I thought life held so few remaining surprises, but if you're really that assblastedly retarded, you have my thanks. I wasn't expecting to encounter such a thing in my lifetime.
>>69763427u mad
>>69763427
you know too well it's not a "film discussion board". more like a banter/shitposting - barely /tv/ related board
>>69763427
>/tv/
>movie discussion board
>>69763320
you buttblasted shitheels are killing film discussion on this board, reducing it to nothing more than an evansposting marathon.
And you're fucking proud of it.
God damnit.
>>69763476
Well I've been in 7 threads over the course of the night where
Actual. Fucking, Fans, of these films tried to have a discussion just to have it repeatedly reported and deleted, because these chuckleheads can't distinguish between a paragraph of original prose versus pasta, and even the pasta's legitimate content, as it's something they can't refute and the only reason they're exposed to it in the first place is because they're in a thread THEY DON'T FUCKING CARE ABOUT.
>>69763494
And you're the problem, dickhead.
You're the fucking problem.
>>69763540
I sure don't who is buttblasted here.
But ok, let me humour you.
Tell me in a single short post what was so thought provoking. It should be easy.
lol this isn't even normal /tv/ behavior anymore
>>69763614
Not him, but which movie are you talking about? And even if you don't find it thought-provoking, what makes DC discussion "spam" and "pasta" as opposed to the mental midgets having such an in-depth discussion relating to >>69759132?
But here's one for free - I appreciate the fact that the one guy in BvS who actually refers to Superman as a god is one of the few people who isn't actually thinking it,
Want to know how I arrived at that conclusion? Simple:I thought about it.
you know you guys would have more luck if you didn't talk about genius,, didn't talk about the other guy, overall didn't engage in tribalistic behavior, etc etc
>>69762391
One guy he says
>>69763718
Quite obviously the subject matter is BvS. But right now I am not comparing, I am asking for something though provoking.
So I ask again. Give me a short post about what you found thought provoking in that movie. That's it. Not how you arrived to a conclusion but what made you ask questions.
>>69763585
sorry to break it to you, but /tv/ is not the problem, but the human nature. even more: nature in general.
EVERYTIME you'll have to interact with people this kind of shit will be present, and you better get used to it. take the few nice things and ignore all the shit.
/tv/ is just what it is, and won't change just because of (You)
>>69763825
This wasn't good enough?
>But here's one for free - I appreciate the fact that the one guy in BvS who actually refers to Superman as a god is one of the few people who isn't actually thinking it,
Want to know how I arrived at that conclusion? Simple:
I thought about it.
>>69762196
I can't discuss because I won't watch it until the extended r rated version is out
>>69763785
Here's a deleted thread. Look for overblown praise.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/69750274/
It got deleted because reasons.
I just want to discuss films bros
DC films
Refn films
Malick films
Fucking new, old and upcoming films
But all we get is
>evansposting
>wisslpb
>pol shit
GIVE US /FILM/ FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>69763873
No its not. That's you fiiting your narrative to the movie.
Try again. Here's a hint. What made you think then that this unnamed character is one who does think Superman is a god. What was the starting point for the line of thought that made you reach that conclusion.
>>69762196
>pic unrelated
>>69763926
>http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/69750274/
The long pic series that compares - hilariously might I add - Snyder to Jesus. Even if you genuinely believe that the symbolism is truly worthwhile, that's taking your liking for a movie way too far. Even for nerddom.
This has to be /tv/'s most elaborate trolling attempt ever.
>>69762391
Then they should allow a single thread if they dont want the shit to be spammed.
>>69763785
>>69763926
Also, no, not all of us agree with the most "out there" connections some of the captures make, but I'm the guy who made the ones about Pa Kent and the ones specifically about Lex. I'm also one of the guys who posted up what I thought the religious imagery was there to convey, and then I went back and supported it through the actions and dialogue of certain characters, and when and where the imagery appears.
But that makes me the troll, I guess.
>>69762807
>Oh the irony
You said it, brother.
>>69763926
well shit brah, just make sure you guys aren't shitposting
funny how your threads got deleted while that porn thread was up
>>69762196
Say no more
>>69764116
This is where you realize there is more than 1 person posting about the movie
>>69762196
I was just in my library earlier actually when I was looking in the philosophy section and found a book called "Doctor Who & Philosophy".
>yeah... someone created a whole philosophical belief based from Doctor Who
Someone should write a book about BvS's religious themes
>>69764150
OK, well you tell me what constitutes a shitpost, because all I and several other people do is candidly share what we think about these movies, and what's more, we do so with a modicum of courtesy that you're not likely to find too many other places on this board.
>>69764116
that's one guy, and some of us told him to tone it done with the memes but the guy thinks they're funny so...
it also serves it's function of being a compilation of the references, even if unfocused. eventually there'll probably be a less meme influenced macro that's focused on citation
>>69762391
>you are spamming the same shit over and over
On /tv/? Heaven forbid!
>>69764116
>If you like it is trolling
>>69764214
no what i mean is that people obviously associate you guys with the memes and shitposts. to me the difference in posting pattern is obvious but it seems this doesn't extend to everybody
i'm pretty sure everyone who's talking down to you here thinks you're a kinoposter dckek whatever, either way, it's kind of worrying that the threads today have been fair play but overt shitposting and rulebreaking went by without a care
Remember to give the other cheek. Dont fall to their provocations.
We will join Snyder in the sun.
Just be polite and janitors will dont have to delete the thread.
>>69764116
>>69764191
>>69764231
Fuck off back to reditt
>>69764191
>>69764231
I personally never said it was only one person. There are obviously more than one.
>>69764264
Well one of the complaints about that movie is the rather heavy handed Christian imagery. And that image set opens with Snyder being compared to Jesus. Which is carried throughout the set. That is trolling to me.
Understand that I find the discussion amusing, but I am still expectiing some kind of payoff for that symbolism, as well as some more contrast between the viewpoints. Aping other movies and well known art is not sufficient.
Neither is weighing down and killing Superman in his second movie.
Hell, the 18 months timeskip brings nothing to the story.
>>69764327no u
>>69764231
Thanks for that, Different Superbro here.
It's funny. This all seemed to really take off after pic related, almost like someone got reeeeeally ass-blasted on some of the fans being so unflappable that they just decided they'd kill all discussion.
>>69764324
that's the thing, it didn't matter today. totally fair threads were up and got deleted as soon as discussion picked up
which yeah is unfair in this specific instance but who the fuck is the mod and what the fuck does he think he's doing. which regardless of the movie at hand what the fuck is wrong with him
>>69764362
>Aping other movies and well known art is not sufficient.
What's the matter, too intelligent for you? Maybe you didn't understand the fact that there was symbolism in it? You think the jar of piss was just a joke? NO! It's symbolism and you're DUMB!
>>69764417
I don't know who is insulting whom anymore.
>>69764362
The payoff is that it's going to be addressed on his return. Granted, that's just the prediction, but it has to be, because halfway through BvS, we see Clark realizing what sort of image he's projecting, what it means, and what it could lead to.
Just so we're on the same page, are you familiar with what the fans almost universally agree it's there to convey?
>>69764444
Your quads demand the truth from me, and that truth is that I haven't even seen BvS. I'm sick of seeing these threads though.
>>69764417
Take it down a notch, Let's make sure everyone's on the same page first.
>>69764445
Not really. I find the shitposting tiring and the more "devoted" fans just as much. I did follow some threads because, again, it amused me, but that's it.
>>69763614
I just joined this thread but how about the use of symbolism in the infamous 'Martha' scene?
Honestly though guys can someone explain to me what the issue mods and other people have with some people who (god forbid) enjoyed a movie that wasn't universally accepted and them having a discussion about various aspects of the movie? I understand there are a lot of threads about 'capeshit' (most of which is random crap anyways), but most of them are remade threads due to the previous ones being deleted or raided by idiots. We had a really good thread going a few hours back that was started by an OP who was genuinely interested in an explanation with examples which ended up being invaded by a bunch of shit posters and got deleted.
How is it that our threads about movie discussions... on /tv/... get deleted, and then the constant spew of shit and memes that plague 90% of this board don't get deleted? Why is it so hard to have an innocent discussion amongst fans?
>>69764498
OK, here's the Cliff's Notes version of what many of us think:
It's not there to tell us "Superman = God." That's meaningless and doesn't really bring anything to the story, no more than it did when Singer did it in "Superman Returns."
What it's there for is to indicate when the people in Clark's world are unconsciously deifying him. It's the answer to Perry White's question: "Do you know how people would react if they knew there was someone like this out there?" It's why Pa Kent jumps up to go find Clark the instant Pete Ross's mom starts in with the "act of God!" bit.
It's what humanity has started to do without even being aware of it - when presented with a being that is clearly biologically and technologically superior, many of them start seeking to turn him into a god.
That doesn't mean anything to Superman. He's just a guy. He doesn't even want it and knows it can lead to really bad places, but there's someone coming that might actually benefit from it, and I for one think that he's going to have a hand in Superman's return.
>>69764609
>I just joined this thread but how about the use of symbolism in the infamous 'Martha' scene?
Alright, tell me more.
>get new janitors
>board becomes worse
Every time.
>>69764362
The whole 'killing Superman in his second movie' thing to me, just seemed like the perfect device to get the world to be on his side and realise that his intentions were good. Seriously, what more can you do to prove you're a good guy to everyone who is doubting you. You could see it by the end monument and funeral scenes. I never saw it as an 'oh my god so emotional Supes is dead!!' sort of thing - just something that was needed for the people of Earth.
maybe your plight can be chalked up to recent board and site trends
>>69764677
I can discuss anime on /a/, video games on /v/, and smartphone shit on /g/, but I make a thread about a superhero film on /tv/ and it gets deleted?
>>69764648
So many people believe Superman and Batman just stopped fighting because they had the same mothers names. I'm not sure if it has just become a running joke or what but I've met some people in person who think that so I'm assuming it is a fairly common view.
Saying Martha is what made Bruce pause at first and was a key word to spark his flashback. You see the spear and Batman from Superman's perspective, pointing at him. We then see in the flashback a close up of the robber's gun shooting his mother. This then cuts to Bruce as a child falling down the cave, from the light into the dark. Then most importantly, it directly cuts to a close up of Batman in real time, symbolizing his fall to what he has become now. It then goes to his father, saying with his dying breath, "Martha", just as Superman is doing now. It is now that Batman realises he has become the very person that ruined his life. He is now the criminal in the alley, holding the weapon over an innocent person. Lois runs in and claims that Martha is his mothers name which shows that Superman has a human side to him. It ends with Batman throwing the spear away in disgust (shown by his facial expressions) because of what he has become.
Whether you like it or not, that is symbolism and it is things like that which are in the movie that make it interesting to talk about. That is how I interpreted the scene and it makes perfect sense to people when I explain it to them.
>>69764675
I think the pendulum's going to swing too far. Man, when he comes back, shit could get real. Remember those "Supertroopers" kneeling when he landed in the Knightmare?
We could be getting some of that, maybe the same future by a different road.
>>69764799
Not to mention the whole dual Ahab/Arthur thing.
Bruce picks up the spear, thinking himself the worthy hero(Arthur) and ends up tossing it away in disgust when he realizes he's just being an obsessive vendetta-seeker(Ahab).
>>69762196
Transformers 3 and 4.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone in /tv/ even make a suggestion on what those movies were about, even though they have narratives and shit.
>>69764807
Yeah it could, but that knightmare sequence wasn't a dream and those supertroopers are what resulted from Supes going bad.
>>69764642
the funny thing to me about the complains about the superman connection to jesus in the movie, is that jesus and christianity exist in that world. martha kent has a cross necklace in the scene in the warehouse, the guy in wayne towner prays as he's about to die, these details are just as important to figuring out the meaning of superman within the movie
and even the guy talking to degrasse tyson lays it out for audience "most religions have a messianic figure, ninety percent of people believe in a higher power" superman obviously would touch that aspect of the human psyche if he were real.
i see the framing of elements of way to make subtext explicit while also presenting with a frame of reference to look through, we have to look through this frame and see what's on the other side
so far superman has been 2 for 2 in so far as dealing with figures that represent some sort of anxiety in current culture, and the fact that it's being presented through the lens of a dying/rising myth clicked for me as being sort of the ultimate experience we have as humans.
it's not that snyder is saying that superman is a god, it's that superman's real existence would put these things into question as has been stated by jonathan and perry
>>69762196
>implying
>>69764907
Oh absolutely.
On another level(and this is where I initially came into it), it works as a visual metaphor for what being Superman is - a guy trying to be a hero in a world where his nature(alien) and his environment(Earth) conspire to make him seem like a god.
Gay Niggers save Earth Men from nagging, manipulative succubi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msL-XFs3Ggs
>>69764897
You know something that just clicked for me last week? An explanation for the near smash-cut from Bruce at the computer to the Knightmare, to the false-awakening: Kryptonian dream tech - the same stuff Zod used on Clark in MoS,
I think maybe they're going to make time-travel incredibly difficult, like maybe the best they can do is open up a tiny wormhole and send telepathic messages through, That would explain the swirling papers(the wormhole) and Bruce seeming to wake up twice - it was that moment of connection that provided his "Flashforward" followed by the Flash establishing contact.
If they're really smart, whatever tech they used to open the wormhole is going to use some crazy rare energy source. I can think of a really good one:Did you get it? The rock?
>>69764907
The first reaction of the first witness to Clark's powers is to believe he is a God's sent.
I mean, the movie is not really hard to understand, how retarded the people can be to miss this shit?
>>69765080
Holy fuck. This is true. This explains so much the dream sequence. They reverse engineered the dream machine in the future and use Flash's speedforce to send the dreams through time and reach Bruce.
>>69765092
It's funny - once you start looking at it from that angle, there's a few instances of subtle humor that make their way into the film. For instance, that bar scene where he wrecks that guy's rig, Lots of people were like, "What an asshole! Superman just destroyed that guy's livelihood," but fact is, insurance is definitely going to cover that. Know what clause it will fall under?Act of God.
>>69765165
So you think the fact that insurance would cover it makes everything okay?
Superman is a menace. Public enemy #1!
>>69765142
In that same vein, did we ever see Zod's dropship take back off after he went after the scout ship in MoS? I was thinking about that the other day. That would mean there's still a pristine piece of Kryptonian tech out there somewhere in the Arctic.
>>69765080
That's a very interesting thought actually...
I'm not sure if you know this but Flash has the ability to time travel if he runs fast enough. So I saw that scene as the alternate timeline in which Lois seems to die, "she was my world", and Supes loses it (we saw how close he was when Lex kidnapped Martha). This resulted in angry Supes that caused the Knightmare timeline which is why Flash came back saying "you were right about him" and so forth. But Flash coming back alters the timeline and changes something Bruce does (butterfly effect) hence no more evil Supes. The knightmare we saw wasn't a dream, but perhaps a timeline remnant that remained because it was his last memory before being jolted back to this new timeline. Hence why the papers were flying because it wasn't a dream, but a timeline alteration.
Confusing yes, but thats time travel for you.
>>69765165
>snyder's subtlety has been proven without a doubt
>>69765165
>>69765092
>>69765080
>>69765142
This shit cannot be a coincidence and anyone saying Zack its just randomly forcing baseless symbolism is simply wrong. There is a clear purpose.
>>69765219
>Flash has the ability to time travel if he runs fast enough
How the fuck does that work
>>69765263
Speedforce is bullshit.
>>69765263
This is a joke, right?
>>69765263
speedforce
i'm not versed in the publication history but i think it's a sort of force that literally is agency within dc comics
of course it just came out of writers outdoing each other
So, why was Batman who killed random thugs with a minigun hesistant to kill a possibly great menace because said menace's mother has the same name as his?
What was Lex's plan? Did he just want to destroy the planet for shits and giggles?
How comes Batman trust WW despite the fact that she could be possibly dangerous too?
>>69765263
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPoGVP-wZv8
>>69765310
SYMBOLISM! DIDN'T YOU GET IT?
>>69765188
He must be stopped!
>>69765219
Oh, I'm with you, Lifelong comics fan here. I'm thinking they're going to use something like the old "cosmic treadmill" idea to put the Flash's OP time-travel abilities on a real short leash, a good idea, in my opinion.
Also, I think the fact that he's too soon might open the door to some pretty spooky possibilities - think about this: what if his message served to guarantee the very future he thought he was preventing, In other words, Bruce stays his hand, is inspired back on to the "righteous path" by Clark's heroism, stops killing, spares Leto's Joker at some future point only to have him go on and kill Lois.
Injustice. Still Injustice.
>>69762196
you start
>>69765310
We are not here to answer or explain the movie for you. If you didnt like it, its fine. We are all allowed to like different things.
You can find answers for that shit in previous threads. Use the catalog and fuck off to your threads.
Try to join the dots:
>Luthor wants to kill Superman and Batman
>Luthor has an anti-Superman living weapon
>Luthor prepared brand logos for other meta humans he found and use surveillance to follow them
Geez I wonder what is Lex Luthor's plan?
>>69765340
>>69765219
i've no doubt in my mind is that this is the reaction and discussion they were aiming for but instead got the "no, dreams are bad, wtf why dreams"
it was probably the most comic book moment on screen yet
>>69762721
I'm just mad that you are lying to everbody and are also insane.
>>69765410
Oh hell yeah it was! They do that sort of thing all the time in comics. While one could argue that doesn't translate well to the big screen, I think it's a nod in the direction of comics fans.
Sadly, I need to be getting to sleep, but it's been great talking with you all.
>capeshit
>thought provoking
DCucks are on a whole new level.
>>69765315
terrio said he's been reading up on this, i wonder how it will play into the use of the flash
Garfield 2: a Tale of Two Kitties.
>>69765310
Batman killing was because this was a fucked up Batman who had been through some shit. He did whatever it took to get the job done hence the "new rules" scene with Alfred. He didn't kill Superman because >>69764799 he realised he was no better than that guy who killed his parents. The random criminals in that warehouse fight scene was Batman not fully returned to the one we know from other movies/comics. He is still doing whatever it takes to finally get his opportunity to save Martha for once. It isn't until Supes sacrifices himself that inspires the hope of humanity back into Bruce hence is little "men are still good speech" and the "I failed him in life, I wont fail him in death". This is also shown in the fact that he didn't brand Lex in prison because the "Bat brand is a death sentence in prison".
Lex's plan was to disprove the lie that power can be innocent. He first hints to this at his party speech with the whole ramble about "books are knowledge, and knowledge is power". He has a power complex because despite him being the smartest man on the planet, everyone sees Superman as the 'god' due to his power. This also ties in with his long dialogue on his rooftop with Supes "if god is all powerful, he cannot be all good". So he sends Superman off on a win-win situation for Lex which was also buying time for Doomsday to be created because that was the end goal. He would do whatever it takes to create something so powerful that there is no way it could be all good and be seen as a god, thus finally disproving the lie - "now god is good as dead". Plus at this point he knew Darkseid is coming, to him, Earth is on borrowed time and he will do whatever it takes to finish his mission.
Batman trusted WW only to an extent because she was interested in the same man he was. It's not like he ran into actual WW until the final fight anyways.
>>69765340
Yeah that treadmill idea would actually be great now that I think about it. God and here I was so certain my idea was right then you go and bring this in...
Yeah that line of him being too soon has thrown me off the minute I heard it. It could really refer to so many things.
>>69765402
The writing was shit, plain and simple. I never even thought it would be possible to fuck up a capeshit story since everything has already been written. Hell, you even know whether or not the audience back then liked the story. But somehow, DC managed to fuck up the story.
>>69765568
>Plus at this point he knew Darkseid is coming, to him, Earth is on borrowed time and he will do whatever it takes to finish his mission.
But he was making logos and shit that implied he wanted to make his own Justice League.
>>69765619
>I didnt understand the writing, so its shit.
You wanted Lex to have a 5 minutes Bond villain monologue explaining how he was reuniting his own Justice League. And they didnt give you.
Even my normie friends understood Lex was gathering meta humans to appear to be the hero.
Any time someone says something about Lex's plan or Martha I instantly discard their opinions. There are several things you could complain rightful;y about the movie, but not those ones. It just reveals you as a retard.
>>69765568
How did Lex know about Darkseid and why would it be a smart move to kill Superman before he arrives? More importantly, how was the audience suppose to know it?
And Batman trusting everyone because Martha is retarded as fuck. Plus, he mowed down people with a minigun. Was he not noticing that he shoots them?
>>69765658
I don't think he wanted to make his own Justice League because he wanted to forge his silver bullet so he didn't have to depend on the kindness of monsters. I think the logos were there just cuz... He had the WW because the WW is part of her armour that is shown in the photo he had of her. The Flash's logo, if you look at the file names before the video pops up, a few of them are the red streak. Which is the name initially given to him by the media because thats all people knew of him at first. So he has obviously obtained his red suit (and thus probably the logo). So those were essentially copies. I think the logos were just used for easy marking in his files. Heck I once did some work experience at an engineering company that used a couple logos here and there for their big projects. It was very strange and unorthodox and I've never seen it anywhere else. That's probably the reason I never had an issue with this whole logos thing everyone complains about.
>>69765732
>How did Lex know about Darkseid
There is literally a scene dedicated to address this when the ship asks Lex if he wants to know all the secrets of the universe and Lex says to the machine start from the beginning. Pretty sure Darkseid is relevant to the history of the universe.
Why am I even responding to such retarded questions? You have a whole fucking scene dedicated to explain this really shitty and entry level question about the movie! God fuck Im easy to b8.
Zack snyder is a literal genius
Favorite director ever
>>69765568
That was a really good succinct explanation of Lex's motivations. If ever I need to speak of this film IRL again I will use this.
>>69765732
Lex knew when he asked the scout ship to teach him everything. We won't find out until future but I believe it has something to do with the Motherbox that activated thanks to Cyborg - it called Darkseid. Lex probably thinks the world is absolutely fucked, he just wants to prove to everyone he was right, he wants to bring Superman down no matter what - Lex101 right there. Audience knowing it I agree it would be lost amongst the casuals and perhaps could have been handled better in that sense.
Batman killing I just explained and you may find it retarded but I found it perfectly fine.
>>69765732
Watch the movie again. The answer is there.
>>69764642
Except this idea was already fully explored in watchmen, which had the same fucking director
>>69765868
Why does the Kryptonian ship know that Darkseid is coming to Earth? Wouldn't he want to keep those plans secret?
>>69766164
We have no idea about Darkseid yet. Perhaps something that's just a wait and see because we are only 2 movies into this universe. Perhaps Darkseid has some sort of kryptonian tech on Apokalips that sent out an alarm. We don't know yet
>>69766263
all luthor said was that the bell has been rung, ding dong the god is dead
>>69765967
watchmen and bvs are opposites, one of them presents a hollowness in the idea of superheros and the other takes them seriously
Just wondering, could they make another Doomsday if they used Superman's body and put human blood on it?
>>69762196
>manchildren genuienly think there's thematic weight and intelligent ideas in their mass-produced conveyer belt products marketed to little kids
>literally men in spandex hitting each other
>>69764642
Yeah, it is obvious he does not like the attention, but even so that's a real long shot. Not in universe perhaps, since we don't know how much time will pass between BvS and JL part 1, but with the in between movies pushing all of that to the sidelines. The construction of the universe is a little bizarre to me.
>>69764675
> the perfect device to get the world to be on his side
The world pretty much already is on his side. There are dissenters and worshippers but really the world seems to have an altogether positive outlook. And killing Superman would have made more sense - in my opinion - in a movie focused on him first, not on his opposition with a few.
>>69764799
This is all readily obvious and overwrought. There is little functional difference between Batman realising his excessive use of force because of the name similarity or because it triggers his memories of his most defining moment in life. Comparing him to Ahab and having Supes as his white whale is all well and good when so very little attention is given to the build up of the character and his hatred for Supes.
>>69765080
Not sure I follow. Kryptonite?
>>69765165
Except this took place at least 2 years before, and he has no proof that Supes was responsible. But this post was in jest so eh.
>>69765568
I'd argue that any connection between Superman and Batman is insufficiently explored in BvS, to the point where Batman choosing to uphold an ideal that Superman is hardly shown carrying rings hollow. This is World's Finest going through the motions, not actually creating one of the most famous comic book friendship and partnership. Which can really be said for most of the movie. Copying The Dark Knight Returns and exploring the same themes is not the same.
And as far as Darkseid goes, this is metatextual knowlegde rooted in comics and a deleted scenes that should not have been deleted. It should have, if anything, replaced the altogether pointless bullet plot.
Just wait for when the Blu-Ray hits, you ain't seen nothing yet
>>69766370
If they had that genesis chamber, perhaps. Depends how it works because Superman was born naturally.
Also on the topic of Doomsday's birth, a line that really got me thinking was "the Kryptonian council declared never AGAIN shall such a deformity be created". I don't think the Doomsday we saw in BvS was the real one. Similar to how in the comics we saw weaker clone versions of him. It would make sense how Lex knew what he was doing creating 'Doomsday', because it had been created before. What if the real one is still out there, perhaps in the phantom zone?
>>69766361
In the comics, maybe. In snyders superman and watchmen, Manhatten and superman are both treated gravely, and as messianic. With tv roundtables and politicians discussing them, and scenes of people surrendering to them like gods. And then the question of "is allowing a "person" to have this much power acceptable" Which is the same question that's posed in civil war.
People who discuss these fucking capeshits are hilarious. Literally grown men debating stories comprised of a handful of tropes and cliches while cgi beams make buildings explode. I hate that this genre comprises at least half of all major film releases now
>>69762196
BvS
>>69762779
But the entire point of the trolling is to piss people off
A thread of people discussing the merits of bvs without interruption is pointless. It'd be just trolls, contrarians and literal morons
>>69762196
Not this cuck kino again
>spams this shit every day
>censored
How's that victim complex treating you? Got any tendies out of it yet?
>>69762563
Fuck you, I reserve the right to tell you how much of a piece of shit that movie was and there's nothing you can do about it. You're still spamming the hell out of the board, you crazy faggot.
>>69765967
It was explored from one angle in Watchmen, where "god" really is a god for all intents and purposes, and ultimately only just barely cares about humanity and its notions about morality.
Different angle here.
>>69766425
>Not sure I follow. Kryptonite?
Exactly that. Would be quite a surprise to find out that the future Batman was looking for it to power the device rather than kill Superman. It's the first thing he says in his "flashforward."
>Except this took place at least 2 years before, and he has no proof that Supes was responsible. But this post was in jest so eh.
No, regardless of whether anyone knows about Superman, inexplicable, unavoidable freak occurrences are covered by on insurance claims.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_God
>>69767638
Poe's law, my friend. Not everyone discussing this is trolling, and not everyone discussing it is an idiot, though there sure do seem to be a lot of people that would make life a lot easier for were that to be the case.
Reminder: the only reason we continue going over old ground is the people attempting to have a legitimate discussion appear to be patient and mature enough to rehash old conclusions and it gives the trolls a chance to toss out pasta the rest of us only marginally agree with.
>>69769904
Wasn't me, dickhead. Of the half a dozen or so threads that got deleted last night, I started one.
Thanks for stopping by to tell us what a piece of shit it was. Now hide the thread and kindly fuck off.
>>69769985
yeah, different angle to go into a different direction entirely
because a movie that was about fate and futility is the same as a movie about hope in humanity. this is going fucking nowhere
>>69770821
OK, let's try again.
>>69769985 explains Dr. Manhattan's role.
Here's Superman's: a guy that totally isn't a god but people insist on seeing in that light tries to find a way to shed that persona and re-establish contact with humanity as just a hero and a symbol of hope rather than being perceived as the ultimate symbol of the futility of human achievement.
Additionally, it's entirely possible that all the "worship" is going to mean something to the coming "big bad." He is a god, after all, and it's been a common trope in both comics and other fantasy genre for gods to wax and wane in power depending on how much "belief" is getting thrown in their direction.
>>69770977
no, i get that. what i'm saying is that the comparisons to watchmen are superficial. and i'm not sure if talking about BvS is going to go anywhere, here i am interested in the movie and what can come next but fuck me this whole thing is tiresome
>>69771258
I know where you're coming from.
While we're on the topic, how do you think they're going to handle the Amazons? As a comics fan, I don't mind the whole Greek Pantheon angle, but can understand their wanting to avoid it.
>>69771357
no fucking clue to me it seems the modus operandi is to have elements of the movies that are associable with some real life thing ie the reality/fantasy line they're playing with.
i can imagine the symbolic meaning of the amazons well but i don't know the real life counterpart that would anchor it
The only thought BvS provoked was "how the fuck is Zack Snyder still employed?"
>>69771627
A couple of weeks back, someone pointed me to a "prequel" comic book that explained how the scout ship ended up on earth. While there's no indication that it's canon, there was a survivor.
I'm wondering if they intend to streamline everything down into Kryptonian genes being the source of all metahumans, Would be particularly interesting where the Amazons are concerned, considering the lone survivor of the crash wasKara Zor-El.
>>69762196
This depresses me because I loved BvS so much. I legit think the hate comes from the movie so strongly defying all the conventions of the genre. Deadpool didn't do that at all, by the way. It was the same old capeshit but with R-rated jokes this time.
BvS seems like the kind of movie to me that will become a cult hit. I like to think a few years down the road people will begin to realize how great it is. But because of the way it was panned, many people won't see it at all. I fear for the future of the DCEU. I really want more films like BvS and MoS, but it's literally going to be emulating Marvel from now on.
>>69771880
I really hope that's not the case. At least we'll always have this original trio.
>>69771752
that was probably me
some guy went full cradle of civilization with it and there is credence to that; snyder has said that the spaceship was used to make a connection to the start of civilization twenty thousand years ago. then there's the scene in which clark's ship arrives to the solar system next to saturn.
so yes, there's a use of our own mythologies i take as being used more for subconscious association. who knows how seriously we can take the recent 'leaks'
>>69771993
When I heard that Diana's weapons and shields aren't magical, I made that leap to it being a mutation of Kryptonians' whole "bio force field" thing.
I was actually kind of surprised when I saw that there's definitely going to be magic, what with the Enchantress being in Suicide Squad and all. I hope they're going to play up that whole perception versus reality angle that's been running so far, as that opens up the door to one of my favorite comics arcs: "The Books of Magic."
Have you heard anything about how the Squad lines up with MoS and BvS chronologically?
>>69772214
i heard that the movies are vaguely in real time. i don't know though
the connection i made is to the joker and the comments on shamanism.
obviously BvS has the mental thing going with how it starts in a dream where bruce talks about diamond absolutes and light, as well as how batman and superman could be seen as a sort of duality thing, with both going through a process of inner transformation
i'm not well read enough on magic and esotericism to comment but to me there is a play of images and ideas going on which very well ties into what i've heard magic really is irl
>>69772533
It's getting awfully Grant Morrison in here.And I like it.
>>69772594
that dimension has been there, terrio himself has admitted an influence in the wsj interview
the fact that /co/ picked up on none of it (well, barely anything).... well that speaks for itself. literally right in front of their eyes andddd nothing
the only reason i'm interested in this is out of hope that they'll be at least one epic that goes all the way out there
>>69772747
Yeah, I'm thinking we might just get there with this two-part Justice League. And I hope it gets trippy as hell.
>>69762302
I was banned for 'trolling and fanboyism' because I told a guy to stfu when he was bashing the movie. ON THE DC SUBREDDIT.
>>69772841
Priceless.
And somehow, we're the "butthurt" ones. I've never seen such a display of butthurt fanboys like we were dealing with over here last night.
>>69772808
>And I hope it gets trippy as hell.
the absolutely only reason i care about bvs, the chance to see whatever snyder and co can pull out of their hat
https://m.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/4k4nz9/bvs_mankind_is_introduced_to_the_superkino/
>>69773066
I'm right there with you.
>>69773081
While I may not agree with every fine point of it, you are doing Snyder's work, anon.
Are you really surprised with this outcome considering how you fuckers spammed the entire /tv/ non-stop with how BvS was easily going to get 98% RT and 1.8 billion gross prior to the release date?
You reap what you sow.
>>69762196
Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen
>>69773321
It might be time to open yourself up to the possibility that "you fuckers" weren't spamming shit and it was just one or two guys.
Were you trying to discuss things while having thread after thread yanked out from under you?
When will piss christ analysis be incorporated into the kinograph
>>69773321
i certainly had nothing to do with that, i wasn't even planning on watching the movie. i saw it on a whim
>>69774165
>Still, Jor El was sending Kal to a planet with aliens that he knew next to nothing about. Even if they weren't a threat to Kal, which BvS confirmed was false, he would still have had to get their cooperation if he were to rebuild Krypton the way Jor wanted.
That's all in how you view Jor-El's vision of Krypton's legacy. Jor-El looks at Clark and whatever future he builds on Earth to be a truer legacy than Krypton's stagnant culture and "science worship," as embodied in the Kryptonian genetics program.
>>69774419
Fair enough. I guess I'm just confused as to why Jor El was so pessimistic about Krypton. I mean the fuckers built an 100,000 year old civilization that had extended (somewhat) to other planets. That's not exactly nothing.
>>69763326
If the new Godzilla movie does well, it might happen soon since it's done by Toho and they own the rights to most Godzilla monsters.
>a Godzilla versus King Kong is said to be in pre-production
GET HYPED
>>69774487
I agree, but something pretty bad happened in Krypton's past. They appeared to have stagnated and huddled back on "Mother Krypton" for some reason.
Personally, I'm betting that it had something to do with what they found waiting out there "in the dark among the stars."
>>69762391
wew
the asspain is real
reminder
>>69764799
The problem people have with it on /tv/ is that you think this is profound. You think this is difficult to decipher, so you think you're special for 'figuring it out'. We're ridiculing you because what you think is some in-depth analysis is actually a surface-level examination. But you eat it up because of the COMPLETELY SUBTLE Jesus comparisons every 5 minutes
>>69762196
>still mad because they are deleting your spam threads where you just dump your copypastas and pics over and over again
Get fucked.
>>69762196
>DCfags mad as fuck because even the janitors are tired of their constant damage control over your garbage flicks
Delicious.
>manchildren unironically think there's anything close to thought provoking themes in capeshit
This is like seeing a 20 year old try to explain why playing with LEGOs is mature.
Simply pathetic.
>>69775181
Yes DCuck, your Snyder joint isn't a turd, it's the illuminati who want to prevent you from discussing High Art™
>>69763813
I really like that picture, can I save it?
>>69771880
>cult hit
AKA hipsters and contrarians liking movies that were shat on when it came out.
>>69762563
BvS threads stick like a sore thumb on their Marvel hugbox.
They can't simply ignore those threads.
>>69762196
This movie was thpugh provoking. It kept beggong the question.. How did zach snyder sit through this movie and go "yeah this is acceptable."?
We just want to share kino with the world.
No harm intended.
>>69775273
If half the people who think we're either idiots or trolling could ever absorb what we've repeatedly told people it's there for, maybe we'd get to move past it and talk about a lot of the other things we'd all rather talk about.
But no, there's always yet one more person to come along and smugly get it wrong then claim we're idiots, lunatics, or trolls when we prove our point,
Humor me, why don't you? Tell me and everyone what it's there to convey,
>>69775390
But these, on the other hand, can shit up the board daily without blowing any sand up your ass whatsoever:
>>69780361
>>69780201
>>69780313
>>69774175
>>69779051
>>69777545
>>69778355
Glad to see you're not obsessing on one specific type of thread that bothers you or anything. We'd hate to think you were harboring any sort of console-wars-esque grudge against any one thing in particular.
>>69773081
To be fair I am the author of those pics and made them for /tv/ not for reddit. I never went In my life to reddit, I dont know how to navigate the site but Im kinda happy someone else enjoys the fun.
I also have material for 5 or 6 more pages but Im lazy as fuck and I think its better to wait for the extended BR cut.
>>69781161
Snyder on both sides!
You're doing his work, brother.
>>69762322
Marvel isn't discussed because there is nothing to discuss.
>>69781416
We failed to protect that smile.
>>69762322
Is it a coincidence that Daredvil is considered the high point of the Marvel Universe?
There are no coincidences. Only Snyder.
>>69781444
I'm perfectly fine leaving any sort of "brand wars" completely out of the discussion, mainly because it just feeds into the belief that all of us are trolling.
I don't know about the rest of the pro- crowd in this thread, but I can generally tell the difference between the trolls, the actual fans, and the actual fans engaged in a little light-hearted fun.
>>69781505
But we're not failing him now. We can but do what we can.
JUST
>>69781617
As long as he can close his trilogy with the Justice League they can reboot the whole shit after it. I just want to watch the extended cuts of the Justice League with the less amount of studio interference, which at this point it will be kinda hard to ignore the studio pressure but still possible.
>>69775273
>Superman trashes the truck of that asshole driver
>People complaining about how Superman destroyed his way of living
>They dont realize the insurance will pass the incident asan act of God
Sorry to tell you, but it is subtle.
>>69781713
I'll be happy with that, too. I'm really excited about the director's cut of BvS. From what's been pieced together, it's pretty much confirmed that Lois was being followed after she leaves Lex's tower.
I hope that's true, because it proves fairly conclusively what many of us already suspect - that Lex never planned to let either Martha or Lois live.
In any event. I'm off to work, but great talking with everyone!
>>69762196
Pic unrelated
>>69762196
MMM
BOYS
>>69772841
>I told a guy to stfu when he was bashing the movie. ON THE DC SUBREDDIT.
It's time to go back.
>tfw I expected memes and instead we're closer than ever to unlocking human's true potential
>>69783091
We have to stop. Its unnatural. We are advancing too much and too fast and we will burn like Icarus.
Humankind must evolve at its own pace. This can only end in tragedy.
>>69762302
"Is it really surprising that the most powerful man in the world should be a figure of controversy?"
>>69763825
"Is it really surprising that the most powerful man in the world should be a figure of controversy?"
>>69777914
Ask Geoff Johns,Christopher Nolan,Charles Roven. Maybe they'll answer the same thing you already know.
>>69775273
Are you surprised there are people who can understand a creator's POV ?
I'm searching for that image where scenes are compared with jesus paintings, could someone post them?
CIA is here only to attract your attention
>>69784707
Thank you anon
>>69784180
You have their number? Ill gladly ask
>>69779998
You're stating the obvious. You're not profound. We don't like you because half of you are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, while the other half is made up of pseudo intellectual tryhards
Why don't I what?
>Ask Geoff Johns,Christopher Nolan,Charles Roven.Maybe they'll answer the same thing you already know.
>>69785166
>You have their number? Ill gladly ask
Why did you wait for my approval ? I am not Bane.
/cape/ when?
>>69787483
never ever
>>69762391
hola reddieto
>Marvelkids are mad that their cartoon universe will never be this deep and meaningful
>>69783546
>>69762302
thanks for the pic.
>>69782098
>>69782181
Marveldrones confirmed for shit-tier Photoshopping skillz.
>>69793498
the guy who made the evans x stop invincible son shop is talented tho
>>69785693
>Why don't I what?
Why don't you humor us and tell us what the religious iconography is there to convey?
>>69762196
Agree. Snyder films are true cuck kino
>>69762368
underrated
>>69762196
Is it political agendas, because escapism is still king, or simply dumb jannies?
>>69762196
>discussion has been actively censored?
>at least 10 threads still being made daily
Threads like these actually censor anything non-capeshit
>>69796002
Do you prefer containment threads or the shotgun approach?
If you just hate all discussion of cape-related movies, I understand, but the fact remains that this fanbase is making an effort to police themselves and keep junk threads to a manageable level.
>>69762196
oh fuck off
>>69762196
Civil war
>>69762210
This needs to be done ASAP.
Snyder would be great for it.
>>69762310
/qa/ is useless tho
>>69762196
Looks like jannies didn't censor this thread.
>>69803503
This thread was the result of about a 6 hour span where some assblasted Marvel faggots were reporting any and all DC discussion. Here's where an anon called it to site admins' attention.
>>69762368
And it seems to have started somewhere after the exchange in >>69764373
