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So I just watched this, it was rather good. Can someone explain why this got mercilessly shit on or is it just another case of viral cynicism?
Lurk moar faggot
Because it isn't good.
>>69647267
Another case of viral cynicism.
And people hate what they don't understand.
>>69647267
Because it's a shit movie. Go read the reviews on Rotten Tomatoes idiot.
>>69647267
>>69647349
>>69647395
now this is shitposting
>>69647416
this is unironic?
>>69647267
good quality rip?
>>69647487
Not yet, the Telecine rip is alright I guess, you need to find one that's had decent colour fixing though.
>>69647462
Yes. Debate this if you want, would like to see at least one counter-argument
>>69647635
nobody is going to do that for a lazy bait post.
>>69647416
>some marvelcuck took the time to write this autismal rant about how pleb they are
>another marvelcuck screencapped it thinking it was some kind of checkmate memepic
>>69647687
What a lazy bait post.
>>69647267
This thread has a dump of a ton of analysis if you're interested OP.
http://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/69610324/
>>69647755
hm?
I thought the same but I just can't get myself to care
>>69647267
Explain how it was good because it was mostly a boring convoluted shitfest and the only good parts were the beginning and maybe the fight that totals in maybe 5 minutes
>>69647766
hm.
>>69647416
Accurate
As soon as trailer 1 came out I knew it was going to be WAY too esoteric for the general audience.
I like that Snyder is trying to create ultra high-budget flicks that aren't completely shallow, i can't really think of any other director doing this today.
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>>69647395
done
>>69647910
>it's too masculine
critics sure are autistic.
>>69647267
DCucks brought the hate train to themselves. If they didn't insist that this was "5deep10u masterpiece you just don't understand xdddd suck Snyder's cock he's so intelligent you dumb"
People would've maybe eventually agreed that it was a below average mediocre movie that got more hate than it deserved but overall was a disappointment to everyone's expectation.
Instead you now got memers pretending it's a good movie and people making fun of the memers because they believe that the memers actually believe its good
>>69647812
Batman's warehouse fight scene was pretty good too.
I'll give Snyder credit, his visuals are really good.(when you can tell what the fuck's actually going on) They just need to keep him the fuck away from where the actual script is being written.
>>69648005
I don't think /tv/ has that much influence
It was terrible all the way through. The fight was ok, but ruined by the worst scene in cape movie history (Martha). Plus they kept saying inappropriate lines that had nothing to do with anything in during the fight
6,5/10
It was fun in the cinema
I will never watch this movie again though
>>69648040
I'm only talking about why people still shit on BvS on /tv/. The rest of the world has stoped giving a crap about BvS
>>69647267
It's pretty obvious with this that Disney was paying off critics, you can see a similar thing happening with the new X Men and it'll likely happen to the next Deadppol film aswell. This movie was the first real threat to the MCU and they did everything in their power to make it less successful than the Marvel Studios films.
>>69647896
Good. Because esoteric is the most boring and brainless theme you can go for and is always bound to look stupid and be a failure unless you market it towards 40+ year old ugly single mothers
You couldn't post this in one of the other capeshit threads? You just had to spread the cancer?
>>69647687
>>69647729
>I can't refute any single point because they are scarily descriptive of my mindset so I'd call that a bait post and avoid argument
Typical DCucks
I believe this too if it was just bvs with such bad reviews it would've been fine but now that it's happened with xmen I think critics are gettin some of walt's money.
>>69648183
esoteric isn't a theme you complete twonk
>>69648183
esoteric isn't a theme, the fuck are you on about?
>>69648181
>it was p-paid critics
Oh fuck off. I'm german. The first review I saw was from the official culture radio station of the bavarian government and it shat on the movie even more than any critic I read afterwards. You know a station with a main target group of 50+ year old professors. The station usually doesn't even DO movie reviews and the reviewer was probably tricked into watching it because someone probably told him it was an intellectual movie whicc explains why he was so pissed of at the movie in his review. He literally called it an insult to his intelligence.
You DCucks are just in full delusion how shit this movie actually was
>>69648275
Did you make that post? I'm assuming you did.
>>69648291
>>69648302
The fuck do you keks think esoteric means?
>>69648371
what do YOU think it means?
>>69648353
Dark of the Moon made 1.1 billon
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=transformers3.htm
>>69648279
I bet X-men isn't even a bad movie either, at worst it'll probably be better than CW.
>>69648389
Astrology, mysticism, hand reading, dream catchers, crystal balls all that stupid shit
>>69648353
I never watched Transformers but everyone says it was terrible and it made over a billion dollars. I think the reason BvS won't make a billion despite it being terrible and having name recognition like Transformers, is the fact that there's barely any action in it. There's no reason for anyone to watch unless they just want to see 2 hours of people talking. If it had a bunch of action it probably would have done well.
>>69648463
I can totally see how it's gonna be a shit movie seeing how Fox is gold at fucking things up, ESPECIALLY X-Men
That said I hope the reviews are bullshit because I want it to be good.
>>69648513
Esoteric:
intended for or likely to be understood by only a small number of people with a specialized knowledge or interest.
You are slightly right...but only slightly. And you sound like an ignorant moron. I almost forgot to say that.
>>69648513
esotericism =/= esoteric, but i know where you are coming from.
>>69648568
Also because chinks love Transformers not matter what and it doesn't really compare to any other movie.
It's just one of those phenomena you can't explain
>>69648584
I thought First Class and DoFP were pretty great (maybe solely due to Fass/Mcavoy and the cameos for DoFP) so I'm holding out hope.
>>69648463
Here you have the plot.
>>>/co/82853365
Basically the same as always, with Mystique as X-Men's Captain America, ignoring DOFP's ending, Jubilee and Cyclops getting cucked into irrelevancy, and Magneto going full retard.
>>69647395
k
>>69647395
one more for the road
>>69647896
Can you tell me what exactly was esoteric about Batman talking about how mad he is and saying he wants to kill Superman? Or what was esoteric about Batman and Superman posturing in the rain talking about fighting?
There was literally nothing esoteric about the trailers. You are trying so hard.
>>69647416
>I made that post
>i was being ironic
top kek
>>69648729
He's right.
>>69648657
Goddamnit that looks generic
>>69648787
hi Mike
>>69648809
But BvS is fucking horrible.
>>69648325
Danke Bayern
>>69648729
>someone wrote this
>unironically
>>69648729
this guy just hates batman. my theory is, anyone who hates batman but loves superman thinks the movie is shit. because batman was actually really good and superman was a complete dick.
>>69648829
Lugubrious is a very big word Mike, feel special that you wrote it
>>69648877
>this guy just hates batman
So does Snyder.
> the lower you rate the movie, the more we pay you. Do we have an understanding?
>>69647267
It's pretty bad dude, I was disappointed although I enjoyed some parts and aspects of it. Only truly good part was Batman.
But since you asked:
>lots of plot holes
>Joker Luthor
>1% chance reason
>mega forced eponymous fight
>Martha
>cramming Louis in
>cramming in Doomsday
>cramming in WW and JL cameos
>killing Superman, but not really
This Angry Joe rant sums it up pretty good
https://youtu.be/tbPi8liw-zI?t=19m
Its
Objectivist
Masculinity focused
Conservative
Theocratic
Of course liberal reviewers hated it
>>69648279
>Bvs has shitty director who fucked up a superman movie
>Xmen has shitty director who fucked up a superman movie
> movies get shit on by critics & the public alike
Must be Disney paying off critics
>>69648657
>Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence), who has become a revered figure in the mutant community for saving the President of the United States and ushering a new era of pacific coexistence between humans and mutants.
DIE IN A FUCKING FIRE YOU TWINK LOVING FUCK
>>69648933
Sad thing is half of these are the studio's faults
>angry joe
>>69648933
>This Angry Joe rant sums it up pretty good
Is this really the type of person I share my board with?
>>69648917
>I don't know how rotten tomatoes works
>>69648991
Fuck this.
If this movie is another Mystique Sue show it's bound to be shit
>>69648941
Both heroes perform acts of public service using assumed identities, thus negating any benefit to themselves for doing so. How could they be objectivist?
>>69649096
It is.
According to that thread, she's basically the field leader of the X-Men against Apocalypse.
It was a meme at first
But yeah the movie was too smart for people
Look at the autism over martha
It seriously needs to be explained to people
>>69648941
>Objectivist
With Luthor being villainous Randian?
>Masculinity focused
Just like absolute majority of capeshit
>Conservative
???
>Theocratic
???
>>69649035
I think that's the joke.
The implication being that Disney paid evey single reviewer and potential reviewer in the entire world to shit on BvSDCucks would rather believe that than just admitting that BvS was a horrible movie
>>69649119
>negating any benefit to themselves
Wrong! Did you miss the sadism elements of the Batman character? And the entire basis for the Superman identity is for self-gratification
>>69649123
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>69649123
holy shit why
>>69648005
Umm, you really don't think 10 troll threads a day and a 22% RT score started the backlash?
So first you have the contrarians and this movie is the biggest bait ever for contrarians.
Then in some bizarre twist, the contrarians found a lot of legit references from ancient literature and pop-philosophy in the movie, then people saw insanely risky callbacks to stuff that happened about 1.5 hours earlier that most people never got.
So we are on the point where people are thrilled to see a movie that was hated by everyone, misunderstood and disregarded, everyone wants to share this revelation with the public.
We are at a point where people still in denial like you are trying to parrot the critics or their own flawed experience and try to tell the discoverer's they are wrong. Which is ok.
Its not okay though to have a closed mind, if you really try you'll find out why BvS was actually a great film.
>>69647267
It is a mediocre movie, it's not bad, but it's not good, the main problems are:
-Plot full of stuff (Basically packing 4-5 different arcs into 1 movie is pretty dumb, specially if you rush 2-3 of them)
-Character motivation is null (WW and Lex mostly)
-Character deveopment is even worst
-Minor plotholes (If he can hear Lois at the other side of the planet why he can not hear Martha just a few states away?)
-Terrible dialogue (Something quite common for ALL capeshit)
-Terrible editing (IMO the worst issue)
The movie wasn't perfect but it definitely didn't deserve the reviews it got.
>>69647267
Easy.
>>69648729
He's right about that stuff. At least Batman and Robin was funny.
There's a lot of things that went in to it.
1) superhero fatigue
2) expecting a tone that was never going to happen
3) disneydrones
4) hivemind
5) some people are just stupid
>>69648729
Yea..this is definitely personal
>>69649595
this, BvS is probably the worst moviee ever made, it was so fucking slow and boring worse than sharknado, worse than the room, even worse than the grifter
>>69649582
lmao mad dcuck
>>69649007
Yeah, total pleb, am I rite guise. How come anyone enjoys things like youtube reviewers?
Best course of action is to kill yourself and end suffering this cruel world bestowed upon you.
You're too good to share, as you put it, "your" board with these other insufferable peasants.
End it now...
>>69649214
And yet their stated intentions are to benefit others, while keeping their more selfish motivations hidden.
They may be coincidentally acting in a "moral" fashion according to Objectivism, but if they were themselves objectivist, they wouldn't claim immoral motivations while hiding their moral ones.
>>69649524
I think most people confuse "tomatometer" with ratings, most people rated the movie 5-7 out of 10, which is accurate, tomatometer just states 29%, Which means only 29% gave a favorable review, the rest think it sucks, which is accurate. The whole rotten tomatoes system is a joke.
>>69649600
Yeah, there's totally nothing wrong with the movie at all, it's the world that it's wrong.
>>69649600
>expecting a tone that was never going to happen
Which is ironic, because the movie made me laugh harder than the quips in AoU
>>69649731
I cringed
>>69649582
>unofficial division of Disney
>RT actually is OFICIALLY a part of Time-Warner
>>69649600
To further expand
1) A lot of critics KNOW all of the issues with Marvel movies they're just afraid to call them on it because they know they'd get shit on. That's why they try to take out all of their fury on the DC movies that arent full of joke and don't paint by the numbers. DC movies cater to a niche, Marvel movies cater to everyone.
2) A lot of the bad reviews were saying that the movie wasn't fun. Well, it was never going to be filled with quipping like a marvel movie. If you're so immature that you need jokes every 2 seconds, this was obviously the wrong movie for you. RedLetterMedia are big offenders when it comes to this one. They want literally everything comic related to be some goofy shlock.
3) There are people out there that suck Disney's dick and think that everything they put out is golden. This isn't a conspiracy theory, just go look on Facebook at the disney groups.
4) There are a ton of people who just think it's bad because someone told them.
5) there are a lot of people who sadly just didn't understand it, which is sad because it wasnt very complicated it.
I'm not saying it's a great movie or anything, but it's still good and I had a fun time watching it. It's probably not as good as some of the top tier Marvel stuff or the Nolan trilogy, but it's still fun.
>>69649925
This post is 100% accurate, sadly.
The mental gymnastics fans of this movie do to rationalize people not liking it is insane.
It was perfect.
Here on my Earth it received a 100% score (they even created another certificate for it called "certified kino") and it outgrossed Avatar.
>>69647267
Batman vs Superman was a movie about man vs god. It tried to have a point and it tried to preach shit to the audience.
Most people went into that movie expecting 2 hours of those two guys fighting it out. This was actually less than 15 minutes.
This is why the movie wasn't well received
>>69649925
>they'd get shit on
By whom? Critics? lmfao
>>69649925
>There are people out there that suck Disney's dick and think that everything they put out is golden. This isn't a conspiracy theory, just go look on Facebook at the disney groups.
just like every fanboy group ?
>>69649123
AHHHHHHH
>>69647267
Look there he is, creating the same thread again.
>>69649925
I don't know if you are trolling or just stupid. Probably a combination of both.
People enjoy movies like Civil War and GotG because they are well crafted entertainment that they enjoy watching. People don't enjoy movies like BvS, Green Lantern, Man of Steel because they are poorly made works that are not enjoyable. It's really that simple.
It had nothing to do with the characters and IP, if you had put the same team of people at MCU in charge of DC from the start and put Snyder and co in charge of marvel right now BvS would be incredible and people would be calling Civil War garbage. DC put their properties in the hands of fools, and they created garbage.
>>69649136
Batman quoting Dick Cheney would seem conservative. So I can see why anon says that. But the characters representing a more leftist (american leftist) view won in the end so there's that...
>>69650301
>BvS by marvel
god, it wouldn't even be aggressively bad, just painfully mediocre and forgettable.
>>69650070
>The mental gymnastics fans of this movie do to rationalize people not liking it is insane.
Reminds me of /v/ and MGSV
-The first game is a demo, so that's why it suckss, guys!!!!
-Only the first mission sucks, because all first level sucks!!!!!!!
-The second game is... is just a test ..we.. we don't know if there are more endings!!! It was a RUSE!!!!!! Wait until Defnitive PC edition comes out!!!
-Maybe we'll get a DLC in December guys, right, RIGHT????
-Guys... I'm sure Silent Hills is just MGSV part 3 in disguise!!!!!!!!
-They just fired Kojima, but I'm sure they have a back-up plan!!!!!
>>69649925
yeah cause only Disney has retarded fanboys
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzOox7K6b50
you kids are completely out of touch with reality
>>69650301
Seriously. People aren't afraid to call out bad Marvel movies.
Just look at Hulk, Thor 2 or Avengers 2 (which all are still more enjoyable than BvS or Green Lantern)
It's simply a matter of good movies vs bad movies
>>69650402
To be fair the whole Zemo/Panther dialogue had more depth than most BvS together.
>>69649430
It's a risky bait, Cotton let's see how it works out for him
>>69650470
I don't even remember them talking so I doubt it.
>>69650402
We'd get a lot more actual Batman vs Superman and the fight would probably be built up better and the result be more logical.
>>69649925
>1) A lot of critics KNOW all of the issues with Marvel movies they're just afraid to call them on it because they know they'd get shit on. That's why they try to take out all of their fury on the DC movies that arent full of joke and don't paint by the numbers. DC movies cater to a niche, Marvel movies cater to everyone.
It's more like Marvel operated with zero competition for years and critics got used to certain tone and certain new rules for the genre that Marvel brought.
Additional point is that superhero fatigue is very much real. While people got loyal to Marvel and actually care about characters they are willing to endure Marvel's big story to its end in 2019, but they are decidedly not willing to invest time in another cinematic universe and preemptively shit on it.
>2) A lot of the bad reviews were saying that the movie wasn't fun. Well, it was never going to be filled with quipping like a marvel movie. If you're so immature that you need jokes every 2 seconds, this was obviously the wrong movie for you. RedLetterMedia are big offenders when it comes to this one. They want literally everything comic related to be some goofy shlock.
BvS was not just "not fun", it was unentertaining in a genre where entertainment is a bread and butter. It's like horror movie without horror or comedy without any fun. X-Men movies and TDK trilogy don't have quips but they are entertaining and because of that they are successful.
>>69649925
>3) There are people out there that suck Disney's dick and think that everything they put out is golden. This isn't a conspiracy theory, just go look on Facebook at the disney groups.
True
>4) There are a ton of people who just think it's bad because someone told them.
True
>>69649925
>5) there are a lot of people who sadly just didn't understand it, which is sad because it wasnt very complicated it.
False. BvS wasn't any more complicated thematically than average Marvel or TDK or X-Men movie.
>>69650533
The offset being the fight itself is complete garbage
>>69650577
No, imagine it to be a lot better actually. A mixture between Hulkbuster vs Hulk and Cap vs Iron Man
The talk about how moviegoers hate superhero movies that have any tone other than light and fun and are just Marvel fanboys is hilarious given that The Dark Knight is literally the most critically acclaimed superhero movie of all time.
>>69650641
So, garbage?
>>69650665
And that people LOVE the X-men movies.
Well some of them.
>>69650497
Then you missed arguably the best moment in the movie. Zemo killed that scene.
>>69650665
TDK was basically a cop film.
>>69650700
About a 100 times better than the "fight" we got at least
>>69650740
Cap 2 was basically a political thriller movie
GotG was basically a space opera parody movie
Antman was basically a spoof heist movie
>>69650855
Ant-man is really the only one you've actually got, even then it dropped that about halfway into the movie.
>>69647267
Glad you enjoyed, it OP. I did too, and am really looking forward to the director's cut.
As for the negative critical response, I don't believe there's anything going on that really needs to go any deeper than pre-release well-poisoning combined with a mindset both among critics and a large portion of the viewing public that's been pre-conditioned to seeing comic book characters given a superficial treatment on the big screen. Accompanying this was a rather astounding failure on the viewing public's part to overlook themes, or, barring that, to grossly misinterpret what themes were even present.
In short, a lot of people went in expecting a big, dumb action movie and instead got something that not only required them to think. but also encourages them to keep thinking.
My only criticisms of this film all revolve around poor editing. I'm amazed that as many thematic elements survived more or less intact in spite of some truly unforgivable butchery.
>>69650551
>Zero competition for years
At this point it's you who's been blinded by Marvel. That only a Cinematic Universe is competition for Marvel.
Batman Begins came out three years before Iron Man. Dark Knight came out the same year and is considered one of the best comic book movies ever made. It cracked one billion dollars four years before Marvel could do the same. Dark Knight Rises came out the same year as Avengers, and while the latter did better than the former by a wide margin, they *both* broke a billion. Man of Steel came out the next year and did well financially.
Warner has been competing with Marvel from the beginning with their own series of successes and a tone of their own, separate from the Marvel Quipverse. You've just been tricked into thinking that only a Cinematic Universe even counts as competition.
Sometimes I kinda wonder if it was really that bad
Then I rewatch some scenes and reassure myself that yes, it was that bad.
>>69650855
>GotG was basically a space opera parody movie
It wasn't a parody of anything. It was just a regular space opera. It was a comedy, to be certain, and the movie turned out pretty good overall, but it's not a parody.
>>69651341
That's really good desu.
>>69651341
this is videogames
>>69651341
In 10 seconds the Death of Superman is hinted at and a reference to King Kong.
Bravo Snyder
>>69651341
why would you ruin your movie with this cgi rubber garbage
>>69651341
>The Superman is dead, consider this mercy!
Like poetry
>>69651453
According to scientist/theologian Emanuel Swedenborg, the entire human race has a connate knowledge of objective truth. This cosmic knowledge is a function of a higher level of the human mind that is trying to make contact with our everyday consciousness. Movies like King Kong are a result of this temporary contact, which produces a profound symbolic representation of humankind’s spiritual predicament.
So let’s break down some of the elements in this famous movie and see if we can translate them into their spiritual analogies (correspondences).
First of all, the movie starts off in a center of modern civilization—New York City. An expedition is formed to seek out something unusual on a far off island. Symbolically speaking, New York City represents the modern, or western intellect. A far off island represents something obscure in the human psyche. Traveling by ocean means that to get to this desolate island one must go to the far boundaries of one’s memory.
The island they are seeking represents a forgotten, but important part of the human psyche. The human intellect, represented by the exploratory party and expedition, believes it will discover something important for the modern world to see.
King Kong symbolizes a gigantic part of the human psyche, which has failed to take part of the current trajectory of human development. Removed from this development it has grown into something immensely savage and primitive (which is symbolized by living among dinosaurs). King Kong represents what happens in a modern society that neglects the importance of developing one’s emotional world properly.
>>69651552
That King Kong becomes attracted to a female of the human race symbolizes an intention of this improperly developed world of human emotions to conjoin with the more intellectual world of knowledge.
This conjunction is doomed to failure because the knowledge and progress of the modern intellect is artificial and therefore does not reach or affect the human heart in any spiritually helpful way. This neglect of cosmic responsibility brings the fabricated human intellect into conflict with real human feelings (which represent the reality of our inner world and our true being). This conflict plays out in the ultimate setting of King Kong climbing to the top of the Empire State Building—the pinnacle of modern, manufactured knowledge. But the “beast” is killed by the highest ideas of the fabricated human intellect (airplanes) because the modern world doesn’t want to deal with reality or its true responsibility of addressing its inner ugliness.
https://thegodguy.wordpress.com/2012/02/01/the-symbolism-of-king-kong/
It ties pretty well with the Apollonian/Dionysian conflict if you ask me. Note that Doomsday instead of falling in love with a female like King Kong does, his emotions are distinctly the opposite. He has a deep hatred for Clark, mirroring Zod's sentiment. So Doomsday represents another facet of man's primitive, forgotten side, not one that can be found looking into the past, but one looking into the future, represented by Krypton's failed society, and its over-dependence in technology, rigid mindset, and disregard for morality and human life for the sake of progress.
>>69647267
Not muh Marvel
>>69648787
Hi Mike
>>69651298
I was exaggerating for sure, but since TDK release DC released 3 disjointed movies: Green Lanthern, TDKR and MoS, two of which were met coldly, to put it lightly.
Marvel, on the other hand, average'd 2 movies per year all of which were in the same continuity and their formula was extremely successful. They successfully built a $10 billion brand while DC was wasting time. So yeah, I can't even call that competition.
>>69651341
Same.
>>69650436
>you kids are completely out of touch with reality
>>69651341
that's actually pretty good looking for CGI
>>69647416
Saved
>>69647416
Swap this and it's accurate.
Also:
>Screencapping yourself
>>69651552
>>69651652
This level of autism.
>>69651341
This is better CGI and action than anything in the MCU, what are you talking about?
>>69652028
>27%
Sure it is.
>>69652028
Having seen both, I thought so, too.
>>69651341
>dat shattering glass effect on building at 0:05
Did they even try?
>>69647267
KIKED.com
>>69651652
>>69651552
This is the definition of over reading. This reads like every grasping sophomore English major paper ever written. Where people have their own interpretation of something already predefined an go looking for evidence they can retroactively force into their interpretation.
>>69651341
Typical Marvelet
>LOL CGI LOOKS DUMB XD
most plebeian and shallow criticism
My favorite scene
I think this video sums it up pretty good if you're honestly just curious, op https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImFQZ7-TKqM
>>69652400
Eisenberg was so damn good.
>>69649925
>>69650048
>DC caters to niche
>With their 500 000 000 + dollar movie
They're clearly artists. Not in it for the money at all.
>>69648005
Its significantly below average though. Its bad in a very weird and specific way that could only come from Zack Snyder.
>>69647267
>Can someone explain why this got mercilessly shit on
for the most part, I liked it but there are a lot of things wrong with this movie.
>Lex "the joker" luthor
>hamfisted symbolism
>shoehorned universe building
>shoddy story telling
>lack of focus
>doomsday
Had it been kept simple to just batman and superman, it would have probably worked better. If Lex had a legitimate direct beef with superman, it would have probably been better. Remove all the lex plot and essentially you have a good classic superman vs lex story only instead of a lex, bruce wayne was used. I don't think casting zuckerberg was a bad choice, but the direction they went with him definitely was.
>>69651894
Why would it be accurate? Marvel is doing great, they are not on constant defensive like DCucks are
>>69652400
Man this is fucking retarded. I simply dont understand how anyone looks at this and loves it.
>>69652400
Someone should shop so Lex has Chris Evans Face, and instead of Martha's pics, he's throwing MCU Blurays.
>>69652637
>If Lex had a legitimate direct beef with superman, it would have probably been better.
Lex did have a direct beef with Superman - envy. Little Lexy wanted to save the world, even if he had to do it by sending proxies out to stop a "threat" that he created.
Hint:Not necessarily Doomsday.
>>69652400
Why did Superman who has superspeed, superhearing, X-ray vision and multitude of other powers struggle in this situation?
Why did Lex put his life in direct danger by triggering man who destroyed half the city?
>>69652810
meme magic
>>69652690
Go look at the Civil War airport fight scene then if you really want your mind blown
>>69652810
>Lex did have a direct beef with Superman
I guess I worded it wrong. I meant similar to how bruce wayne had a direct beef with superman. Lex's beef with superman was indirect and just something comparable to how terrorists hate americans. I'm not saying he should have been like zemo or something, but if conflict had been developed earlier between him and superman that would have stoked his resentment of him, that would have been better. I just didn't like lex's portrayal. It felt like the suits at wb/dc went to snyder and said "heath ledger did a great job with joker. We want that. Make Jesse do that."
>>69652945
How defensive of you. Kinda sad.
>>69652319
You're the definition of pic related
>>69652810
So what you are saying is that Lex needed to bring friends and a big guy
>>69652874
Well, to be fair, everything other than his hearing have consistently been shown to be something that's more a hindrance than a help. I think Lex knew he was safe the instant he revealed he had her. Clark's knowing that he can go find her is no guarantee that she won't already be dead before he does so.
>>69652810
>instead of showing failed attempts at having the metahumans going after superman, they decided to show stupid found footage of them doing nothing out of context of the entire movie
GG
>>69652980
That's just the thing, though - he doesn't really have a "beef" with Superman, so much as he sees him as another pawn he can manipulate to get him what he wants.
He's jealous of his power, maybe even fearful of it, but all those things are secondary to what he thinks Superman can do for him, knowingly or not.
>>69652400
>"If you fly anywhere other than off to that bat signal, she dies."
>Superman takes off to go talk to Lois somewhere else in Metropolis
>Martha doesn't die
>>69652355
I wasn't even talking about the CG
Also, CG criticism against Civil War by DCucks is on a daily basis
>>69653034
Bingo!
Great pic, by the way.
>>69653206
>so much as he sees him as another pawn he can manipulate to get him what he wants.
so what exactly did he want him to do? because his whole convoluted plan was to have him die.
>>69653207
She was at the foot of the building from which she'd just been pushed.
>>69653333
Right, so Lex could actively see that Superman went to go talk to someone else about what was going on and didn't punish him for it.
Or are you going to say that Lex didn't care that Superman was potentially actively enlisting help from outside sources? Or that Lex didn't see it because he immediately took off in his helicopter?
>>69653206
>but all those things are secondary to what he thinks Superman can do for him
I only saw the movie once, but I feel it would have been better if superman and lex had a scene early on in the movie where lex tries to get superman on his side and failed. Something to show that he believed they could be equals but superman essentially planted the seed in him that he's not powerful and that his knowledge holds little value. I just felt like lex's resentment built up out of nowhere and wasn't developed enough to make it a plot point that drove the end of the movie.
>>69653254
Not necessarily CG, but the silliness of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO_1sOzF_M4
>>69653301
The whole convoluted plan was to have him murder Bruce to save his mom. That's where Lex's thinking was off the mark. He thought by putting him a "train dilemma" similar to the one he faced at the end of MoS, he'd kill again. He was wrong.
On the off chance that Bruce somehow won, he'd still have Doomsday waiting to be his auxiliary "threat." The one outcome he didn't anticipate was both of them coming out of the fight alive. When it was Bruce waiting on the other end of that phone call, he knew he was fucked.
>>69653524
Because the dragonball action sequences doesn't look "silly" at all
>>69653561
nah m8, you're making up a completely different movie in your head.
>>69653479
Really, the helicopter. Also, pretty sure he had some way of directly tracking Superman. The military sure did, and it appeared that Lex's mercs in the desert did, too. In any event, they were able to track Doomsday and Clark. Two targets too small to reliably pick up on radar.
I have a feeling that's why Clark Kent "dying" is going to be a future plot point. I think elements within the military already knew his secret.
>>69653778
A different movie using nothing but what we're shown, and a villain that's already shown to lie and wax metaphorical unless you ask him a specific question:What do you want?
>>69653805
So if Lex can't see something like Superman not flying off toward the bat signal and just flying down to talk to Lois, how would he have even enforced his "you don't fly off toward the bat signal, I kill her" rule? Apparently he didn't pay attention to anything Superman did after his speech. His men didn't radio in that they were under attack from someone when the guys in the backroom had like a full 3 minutes to themselves so Lex didn't even know his entire plan was blown up before Batman called him.
Basically, the blackmail plot is retarded through and through.
>>69647416
this tbqh
>>69653985
I agree that their not phoning it in is hinky, but other than that, the plan's pretty solid. If it had been Supes that went off looking for her(and found her), he was fucked anyway.
>>69648325
>>69648275
>>69647416
Why are diehard marvel fans obsessed with cuckolding so much? Are they like bronies and inject their fetish into everything?
>>69647395
i like your knowledge and your sources
>No Civil War threads
>BvS threads reaching bump limit
Life is suffering for Marvelets
>>69650105
this x a million. Critics wanted a summer flick and instead got a theme film.
Personally I enjoyed it, minus the lack of destruction from doomsday, due to synder actually listening to fans about mos destruction.
>>69654628
>people watching CW already discussed how they liked it
>BvS fans still discussing why poeple didn't like it, and crying because Furrytopia and Chilling War already surpassed them
>>69647349
>And people hate what they don't understand.
The movie's themes and messages were not hard to understand. They were entry level philosophical ideas, and it treated the fact that it was talking about them as some infinitely deep and profound thing. It was just fucking cringe the entire way through.
I'm sure it will appear less pretentious to high schoolers who are only just beginning to think about these types of things. But when another Snyder movie and another Batman already did them in the last decade, anyone who's not just starting to have their brain develop is going to roll their eyes at how preachy the film is.
>>69654311
DCucks are literally cucked by Snyder i.e. licking his balls for fucking their franchise into shreds
>>69654758
>minus the lack of destruction from doomsday
If you take out the last tthird of the movie and the flashback sequences, BvS is automatically an 8/10
![1463402519407[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cFKS3OW.jpg "1463402519407[1].jpg")
>>69652319
>>69647300
Or maybe he intentionally avoided Batman v Superman threads because he hadn't seen the movie yet
>>69654937
It's called Stocuckolm syndrome
It doesn't fit the feminist narrative.
>>69655066
Lurk moar faggot
>>69654937
What do you think Snyder's balls taste like ?
both movies were shit
batman superman sucked more than captain america
>>69655080
>It doesn't fit the feminist narrative.
>MUH STRONG WOMEN
>MUH MALE ANGER PUNISHMENT
>MUH WHITE MALE VILLAINS (Bomber and Lex)
But it does, at least better than Marvel shit
>>69655181
I'd say both are mediocre (Not bad, nor shit), BvS lacked a good narrative and coherent plot. CW had a bad dialogue and terrible cinematography.
>>69654873
only teenagers saying that movie was deep af. it wasnt, but it had theme, had some ideas. it was good movie to watch and relax. i don't want to go full retard mode watching blockbuster, man. if lethal weapon or aliens or any ol' good blockbuster movie was released now it would have been criticized for being depressing like "omg mc is depressing and suicidal am i watching summer blockbuster wtf".
>>69654873
Which themes would those be - perception versus reality, the dangers of obsession, or the nature of heroism?
>>69655389
Any old movie released now will trigger the tumblrinas and SJWs, because they trigger at anything
>>69649925
>there are a lot of people who sadly just didn't understand it, which is sad because it wasnt very complicated
This is a big part of it sadly. All my normie friends were totally lost with the dream sequence, had no idea what was going on or what it meant. They said it felt and looked weird, oblivious to the fact that it was meant to feel surreal to question if it's a vision or just a paranoid delusion.
>>69655094
Repetition is both the sheboon's and the downy's preferred method of argumentation. So which are you?
>>69650141
By the same sort of people who have been abusing and threatening a guy who gave Uncharted 4 a bad review.
http://kotaku.com/reviewer-targeted-for-giving-uncharted-4-negative-revie-1776854933
>>69655626
I'm amazed at how many people haven't taken Kryptonian dream tech into account when discussing that sequence.
Also, am I wrong, is there a pristine Kryptonian drop ship still hanging around out there somewhere? In MoS, we never see the one Zod took to retrieve the scout ship take off during that sequence, so shouldn't that mean it's still around?
>>69647267
Troll.
>>69647395
>it's bad because other people say so
Yea. Sure it mightve been bad/not great , but giving RT as the proof of it being bad is just pathetic.
As long as you're not a Mongoloid artist, you shouldn't care what rotten tomatoes says.
>>69655442
Those are some, also: man vs god, light vs dark, the follies of vengeance/grudges,
>>69655389
the problem is that it tried being deep as fuck, and wouldn't shut the fuck up about it. It just came off most of the time as saying "I'm hella f*ckin deep guys".
Trust me, there are enjoyable parts in there, but they did it all fucking wrong. I'd like to relax and watch a blockbuster, but Lois Lane is there far too much. The Joker keeps droning on about how AMAZING and SPECTACULAR it is to see MAN fighting...GOD! A hoohoo! Or...LIGHT versus DARKNESS! Whooo~~~
If I want to watch a block buster, I don't want shitty character subplots and delusions of grandeur bogging down the blockbuster essence.
If I want to watch subplots, world building, and philosophical stimulation, I'd like it to not be glaringly cobbled together and unnatural.
If there was no Lois Lane "muh bullet" subplot and this was the 4th or 5th film in the franchise rather than the 2nd, I'd consider this to be a flawed but good movie. They made it too early, edited out the wrong shit, and kept in a lot of the wrong shit.
>>69655824
Troll.
>>69647267
>just another case of viral cynicism
pretty much
>>69648325
>"intellectual" German radio station with 50+ year old professor demographic didn't like "red cape guy vs black cape guy punch movie"
What we're you thinking posting this?
>>69656076
well lois subplot sucks, lois sucked in mos too, felt shoehorned. they should have ditched clark kent and all alter ego stuff, alien god doesn't need to act like a human, but i guess critics and fans would've hated zack even more.
>>69648933
>Angry "buys into the hype every fucking time" Joe
Yeah I mean if I went in expecting a blow job and the second coming of Christ I suppose I would have been disappointed as well.
>>69656076
>man vs god
What if I told you that the only character who states that outright in the film doesn't even believe it himself, at least not as stated? There is a man vs. god theme present, but it's wholly contained within Clark himself, dovetailing nicely with the perception vs. reality element?
wymyn ruined this movie
both lois and the jewish skeletal were awful
I liked the rest tho
>>69655068
kek, you know that's taken straight out of a pasta
you know which one
>tfw that pasta became engraved in Marvelets' psyche
>>69655816
>I'm amazed at how many people haven't taken Kryptonian dream tech into account when discussing that sequence.
considering he was in the batcave, I don't see why they would.
>>69656412
I'm fine with her being there, but she didn't need to be there as much. Also preferably they could have cast someone other than Amy Adams.
The Waynes' murder and funeral didn't need to be there. I know it was only there to foreshadow the "DUDE SAME MOM NAME LMAO" plot twist, but that was also stupid and could have been replaced with something better. If the film came out on Mother's Day, that'd be a different story.
Should have shown a small montage of Batman doing Batman shit throughout the years, so we can actually appreciate the shit that he's been though.
>>69656505
I know Luthor harped on about it for at least a moment, when Supes went off to fight Batman. But it stood out really badly as forced and cringey.
There was the "God is dead" shit at the end, the Jesus symbolism at the end of the final battle, those people on the roof, and the fucking "look around you to see his monument" thing at his funeral.
Was more than enough to be obnoxious, particularly when we've only had one fucking movie to see him in action to justify asking those kinds of philosophical questions in the first place.
![1463386334081[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CeLBfFW.jpg "1463386334081[1].jpg")
>>69655068
Simply put, you have a low cinematic IQ, or some sort of Stockholm Syndrome, from overexposure to bland, safe, PC and soulless mass-produced blockbusters, which has conditioned you into accepting the absolute lowest common denominator standards in filmmaking, writing and cinematography as somehow acceptable, when you should in fact feel nothing but contempt or disgust for any Kevin Feige-conceived product.
Even strictly in the field of capeshit entertainment, where the bar has always been pretty low, since they're primarly a children media, the level of genuine quality and creative abilities (which comes from studios giving freedom to an auteur with a strong personality and vision towards the material) has kept dropping since the 90's.
When Raimi's Darkman/Spider-Man, Del Toro's Blade 2/Hellboy, Burton's Batman 2 or Bird's The Incredibles offered innovative and playful set pieces, meaningful and relevant themes, each with a very distinct, appropriate tone and truly cinematic aesthetics (simply compare the lighting or editing to today's equivalents), none of these qualities are to be found in Avengers or any of the previous MCU entries. This is why Edgar Wright got fired from Ant-Man. This is why Feige keeps hiring visionless point-and-shoot directors who come from TV or comedy, colorblind cinematographers and art/set design teams who seem to be in love with grey, sterile hangars for some unexplainable reason. Action scenes are now being conceived by CGI teams months before the movie begins shooting and all follow the exact same formula.
Even as a child, I couldn't imagine being dazzled or amused by those turds, as they're utterly devoid of any charm, colors, magic or imagination.
>>69649464
>Clark wouldn't know where Lois was going
>superman is incapable of following her, knowing she is going into a dangerous situation
>stated many times he has to focus on what he wants to hear. Obviously focusing on Lois when she enters a war zone vs not focusing on his mom when dealing with other shit going on.
Did you scream at the screen when Bale bat was back in Gotham the next scene after he escaped the prison?
>>69649731
>camera set up on the floor to capture that image
>alternatively RDJ could be standing on a stack of phone books
>>69656798
man, i liked how waynes murder was shot. hell, intro was great, bruce seeing himself being elevated, being more than a man and then realising that he is just a bug seeing metropolis destroyed by god-like beings.
>>69656811
explain her falling off the building then. That is very comparable to finding his mom.
>>69656781
The Flash was in the Batcave. too, but only sort of.
As a long-time comics fan, it was pretty apparent to me that they plan on using dream tech and some sort of "cosmic treadmill" sort of thing to keep the Flash's OP time-travel options on a real tight leash. Furthermore, I'm betting that to even make it possible, they need some sort of really rare energy source.You get it? The rock?
>>69657008
I guess that's cool. It just dragged on forever and I still think it could have been replaced by something better for the film overall.
>>69656811
>Did you scream at the screen when Bale bat was back in Gotham the next scene after he escaped the prison?
Actually I didn't scream, but it was one of the things that bothered me the most. Same as Iron Man going from Berlin back to NY to recruit a new kid, then returning to Berlin, when he had only 36 hours o so to solve the situation.
>>69649925
>That's why they try to take out all of their fury on the DC movies that arent full of joke and don't paint by the numbers.
This movie was trying to copy the narrative "depth" and "feel" TDK, TDKR, and Watchmen. That's pretty fucking by the numbers.
>>69657157
to be fair. tony has access to super fast means of travel. Him having access to a supersonic aircraft/suit isn't out of question.
>>69647416
>someone thinks they're clever by pointing this out
Top jej
Marvel is shit because it's literal shit on film. At least Snyder includes things that actually require taste to appreciate
>>69656798
>The Waynes' murder and funeral didn't need to be there. I know it was only there to foreshadow the "DUDE SAME MOM NAME LMAO" plot twist
It's also there to mirror the death and funeral of Superman - one to show the event that lead him into becoming the Batman in the first place, and the second to show the event that inspired him to truly return to being a hero.
They're even edited the same. There were similar bookends in MoS as well - Kal's birth and Superman's.
https://youtu.be/7p5-14rjWUM?t=1680
Skip to 28:00 if you'd like to see it.
>>69657386
>It's also there to mirror the death and funeral of Superman
that;s really stupid.
>>69656798
>Should have shown a small montage of Batman doing Batman shit throughout the years, so we can actually appreciate the shit that he's been though.
I agree with this, It's something I hope gets touched on during Clark's investigation over in Gotham - something supposedly coming in the director's cut.
>>69650533
>shaky cam action to hide the deplorable choreography and cgi effects
>batman's gloomy hopeless outlook Affleck replaced with a carbon copy of RDJ memester
>Superman an out of touch good guy who just doesn't get what's hip nowadays ("subtle" swipe at traditional values)
>fight isn't taken seriously they quip the entire time at the end nothing of value was gained or lost, maybe an abandoned parking lot will need to be repaired.
>big bad guy shows up and beats them both
>WW shows up and both Batman and Superman spend every scene with here fawning over her looks.
>through the power of friendship they learn to work together and defeat the badguy.... still quip throughout the fight
>Superman still dies... but is brought back the next scene because Marvel is incapable of killing anyone who matters.
>first after credit scene shows bad guy survived (he will be killed off in the opening of the next movie)
>Second after credit scene is a Purple Hellboy looking mong smiling at the camera while ominous music plays hinting that he is going to be the next bad guy (he won't be, gotta wait like 4 or 5 more movies with him doing the same thing after the credits in each of them)
>at the end puppet master bad guy claims victory because everyone else acted out of character and went out of their way to make his plan work perfectly
>>69657308
Even a supersonic travel takes 5-6 hours, plus 1 hour or so to track the kid and get into his house. Basically wasting too much time.
>>69656798
>There was the "God is dead" shit at the end, the Jesus symbolism at the end of the final battle, those people on the roof, and the fucking "look around you to see his monument" thing at his funeral.
All that god-figure stuff is there for a different purpose. It's there to tell us what the people within his world are thinking of him, not that we're supposed to think of him as a god.
>>69657514
>5-6 hours, where he could be sleeping
>it would take tony stark 1 hour to track someone he was probably already tracking
>>69657030
Well, for one thing, Lois was screaming. Martha didn't have that option.
>>69657582
Even if it's the people who are supposed to view him as such, I still think that they didn't give nearly enough time of him just being Superman to justify that.
>>69657651
so? superman would have to be focusing on her, according to you, to notice her screaming.
>>69657619
Reminder that the MCU has never had a memorable soundtrack in the likes of MoS and BvS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdc6QjBNOOU
>>69657732
>Reminder that the MCU has never had a memorable soundtrack
What's IM?
What's Avengers 1 and 2?
What's GotG?
What's Daredevil?
I bet more people know Avengers theme than any of BvS OST songs.
>>69647416
>note that Marvelfags freely admitted that AoU was shit
No they didn't.
>>69657991
pretty sure everyone did. They were glad whedon was exposed and shot himself in the food.
