Wtf did I just watch? This is an instant horror classic.
Question:were the twins the witch?
>BLACK goat kills white man in order to get young white girl to get naked and join him
What did they mean by this?
>>69437890
No but they signed the Devils book
Best movie of 2016 desu
meme movie
>>69437954so she was innocent prior to joining the devil?
>>69437890
there were several witches in this movie. they were in the woods doing alchemy & stuff.
>>69438158
saw that.But what about Thomasin was she innocent?
>>69437951
>voiced by a shitskin
oy veyi want to fuck his voice
Why did people like this movie? It was pretty boring and meaningless. I was never a big fan of the witches meme, but the witches in this one were specifically stupid. What was their goal, why did the girl with the boys name join them?
>>69437890
>were the twins the witch?
of course not,she eats them
Pretty uninspiring movie.
So many different paths it could have taken yet left untrod.
Only good thing was the voice of the father. Imagine having a voice like that.
>>69439948
>What was their goal?
To please Satan. They're pretty shallow villains, but the whole point was that it was based on puritan superstition.
>>69439948
>boring and meaningless
>the witches meme
Please stop talking
Will it come close?
>>69440056
>but the whole point was that it was based on puritan superstition
This part is what I don't get. I think the movie would have been betterif there were no real witches. I mean in the end it wasn't superstition, the witches were real and people did died because of them.
What is the message of the movie? You shouldn't accuse your family members, but rather look for some shady shack in the woods were evil old hags are cooking children?
>>69438117
I just want to stick my 12 incher in her mouth and fondle her 14 year old boobs whislt she tries to say hail Mary.
>>69438117
She was being turned away from God because of the way her family treated her. They already treated her like she was a degenerate and projected all their shit onto her. She didn't want to be handed off to be someone's wife. The witches and Satan helped her and then recruited her.
Alyhough there's the whole thing with the corn being rotten (most likely infected with ergot) so she may have gone crazy and killed her family and just hallucinated the whole thing
>>69440297
The witches are evil, but the family kill themselves just as much as supernatural evil kills them.
They're only out in the wilderness beccause of their father's pride, and his insistence that he knew the word of God better than the others on the plantation. They tore themselves apart with accusations of witchcraft, and the wife explicitly says that she no longer feels close to christ, which is a big deal for a puritan chick.
Not to mention, in the end,william gives up and drops the axe, allowing Black Philip to kill him, because he has learned to trust God's judgement over his own, even if that means his death
>>69437890>tfw there was no literal witch
>the witch was Thomasin's other persona
>she suffers from multiple personality disorder in a time when men and woman feared everything, and the devil was literally around the corner
>the entire farm was riddled with ergot fungus, which causes hallucinations in people who eat it
>evidenced by the rotten corn, and bread they ate on the farm
>tfw the people only died after Thomasin's perceptions were removed, when her witch persona took over
>she killed the baby, left her brother to die, killed the twins, killed her father, and lashed out at her mother
>tfw she sodomized a goat
>tfw there was no witch's coven in the end, it was just her going out into the wilderness and having her insanity take over
>>69437890
No, the twins are broom ointment now.
>>69440688
holy shit, dubs confirm truth
>>69440297
It was just your typical puritan message.
The only one who was actually saved by Jesus was Caleb because he absolved himself and gave himself to Christ and all that shit.
The idea is that evil was all around them and they were fighting a losing battle.
Nevermind that the natives seem to get along fine without witches fucking their shit up.
Maybe the movie's message was a subtle nod to shamanism and ancestral worship being superior to christianity.
>>69440297
The point was to show why the whole witch folklore existed during those times. Young women who were repressed by patriarchal religious society who wanted to rebel and get away from it all. There are some good books on it. The Witches are the direct opposite of her family.
>>69440688
sounds like a shitty shyamalalalan twist
>>69440688
The part about the fungus makes me feel stupid.
But how does that explain:the bird pecking at the mother's breast (and her bleeding afterwards)?the boy throwing up an entire apple?
>>69440818
meant to say: makes me feel stupid for not thinking of that.
My bad.
It plays of superstitions and fear really well, i quite like they removed the whole but waz it awl reel aspect I wholly expected from it, it's been done to death and even with what we have stuff like >>69440688 is pretty plausible to believe if you feel like you enjoy the movie more from such a perspective.
The cinematography was good with some great moments, the sets were great and felt authentic and the dialogue was fukken tip tier. You don't even really need that good writing when you use well thought out old-ish english dialogue in this kind of a movie, the atmosphere of it all goes a long way by itself.
Also nice they didnt play too much on cliches like half the movie revolving around the family shaming Thomasin for losing the baby, also the mother projecting sins on her wasnt done in an annoying way as I was expecting.
>>69440688
Would be funny if this really was true, but I highly doubt it. It's too far fetched.
>>69440818
Did they ever say anything about that fungus or what exactly was wrong with the corn? Ergot fungus usually is on cereal and doesn't destroy the plants and it certainly doesn't grow on bread.
But if the story really should be about something as far fetched as the previous poster said, I guess such facts wouldn't really matter anyways.
>>69440688
This anon knows what's up
If yall are interested in the subject there are some good books on it. This is one
>>69440818
>The part about the fungus makes me feel stupid.
Because it's just bullshit the director threw in there in an interview to make the film seem deeper.
>>69440992
>a logical explanation of the events in the witch is more far fetched than witchcraft and satan
>>69441026
>>69440818
except ergot is used to make LCD and has been confirmed to be the reasoning behind some of the witchcraft accusations in the past
>>69440992
Corn is a cereal grain. But you're right, it's usually on wheat and rye grass. While it may cause hallucinations, it doesn't cause babies to suddenly disappear.
>>69437890
Oh my fuck... best ass in the world, I'm frothing at the mouth, post it so I can violently fap my virgin penis. I'm on my knees begging for this instant gratification.
>>69441043
its a moobi though
it doesnt need to have le realistic explanation, it made it clear that as far as the story is concerned the witches are real within the first 10 mins.
>ergot is used to make LCD
explains why my tv is so grainy
>>69441096>tfw the people only died after Thomasin's perceptions were removed, when her witch persona took over
>she killed the baby, left her brother to die, killed the twins, killed her father, and lashed out at her mother
>It was all but a hallucinatory dream
Yeah okey, what do you people get out of this? That's what happened in real life, but that's not what's good about this movie.
>>69441071
>make LCD
Kek! Yo dis TV is HD as fuck
>>69441140
thank you based spell check
>>69441096
Ok sorry english isn't my native language and I thought cereal only refers to grass like things. But to be honest I guess I didn't even know in my native language that corn is in the same category as those other more grass like plants.
>>69441170
>>69441170
No one said that's what makes the movie great. One anon asked a question. It more than likely wasn't a hallucination but that aspect was included in the movie with a single scene.
>>69441096
That's not my dispute. My dispute is nothing in the narrative supports the events not being real. Things happen outside the viewpoint of Thomasin and the family as a whole, so there is no reason to doubt they actually happened.
>>69441288
The corn you see today is the result of selective breeding. Originally, it looked very much like rye and wheat plants.
Here in the US, corn is typically seen as a veggie. But nope, it's a grain.
>>69437890
>80 minutes of inapprehensible olde english
>artsy shots of some generic farm
>no tension whatsoever
>retarded ass ending
>instant horror classic
>>69441163
Thomasin displays none of the symptoms of ergotism, anon.
>>69440498
hey mate, i fucked a sweet russian exchange student last saturday. I think she was prettier than Thomasin but yeah she really made me hard aswell
Did this movie needed a general?
There's nothing else to talk besides Thomasin ass.
>>69441433
>my favorite movie is avengers 2 the post
>>69441433
The way you think and talk makes me think you may have learning difficulties. Go watch Freddy Vs Jason
>>69441300
Yeah, you're right.
When I was writing that, i was thinking about a comment in another thread where someone stated that the ergot rot theory saved the movie for him. I felt he was missing the point of it.
William's corn rot is a neat reference, though.
>>69441433
>marvelfag says a good movie is a shitty movie
what a shocker, braindead retard who watches 13 literally garbage movie says a good movie is bad
>>69441433
>inapprehensible
>>69441321
>>69441450
You're right. The ergot hallucination stuff is not a big aspect of the movie and can't explain everything. It is in the movie though
>>69441562
>my best defense is to imply that someone enjoys capeshit
>I can't take it when someone disagrees with me
>>69441555
There has been mostly discussion and like 2 mentions of thomasin's ass in the thread
at least read the thread you're replying too before you say something, goddamn
>>69441546
You know, that this kind of multiple personality disorder only exists in film. Oh wait...
>>69441517
Post pics
>>69441555
It was a nice ass. Worth a Blu Ray purchase for me
>>69441566
>>69441578
>instant use of the "you must watch capeshit" card
>no constructive counterargument whatsoever
I bet you have 2001 and inception posters in your room
Who's this Robert Egger guy? It's neat when a great movie comes from nowhere.
>>69441666
> dem luciferian trips
I didn't even have my phone or wallet, but i'm ok with you not believing me. She fingered my ass and i came on her's
>>69441071
>been confirmed
That's a curious way of saying theorized.
>>69441546
You know there is more to it than hallucinations, right? She doesn't vomit or shit herself. She doesn't have muscle spasms.
The only character who displays suggestions of ergot poisoning is the brother, who yucks up a fucking apple, which is not a symptom, but proof the witch was real.
>>69441626
Is it though? Do they really talk about ergot? Because what you see in the movie doesn't at all look like ergot. As far as I know, ergot doesn't destroy your plants. It's only kinda dangerous because you might not see it and eat it.
>>69441634
>le make empty buttmad statements with no real content or any examples or anything backing them
>get mad when people make fun of you
lmao
>>69441759
>not finishing deep inside her vaginaFaggot
>>69440992
if you use infected grains to make bread, then the bread is still poisoned by it.
>>69441737
>implying anyone but marvelfags use evans laughing images
you're a literal retard
I think this is the only time that I was genuinely scared by a child actor.
The face of pure bliss that Caleb display with his last breath when he finally surrender to Satan and embracing his eternal life in hell was amazing.
I was also kinda depressed that besides his faith and the prayers of his family did not work at the end.
Does that mean that we are condemned not matter what?
>>69441758
He has a theater background and said he hasn't yet found any modern material that he wants to make into a movie. Those are just the two most interesting things I gleaned from reading a few articles over the last couple days. I definitely have high hopes for him. I never realized I wanted someone from theater who pays attention to details to make movies, but it seems so right now: all the passion and rigor of stage plus the realism of movie props/sets.
>>69441804
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/witches-curse-clues-evidence/1501/
>>69441866
i would've really loved to. The thing was she really worked for my swimmers too and when I asked if she were on the pill she said no.
>tfw narrowly avoided slav babby
lets get a few of these going
>worst part of the movie
the human appearance of the devil and that one insidious tier shot of the witch's silhouette flying towards the moon around the first 10 mins of the movie.
>best parts
The ye olde english dialogue, king philip, the son's crazed monologue and the witches sabbath shown at the end
>>69441864
>>69441972
>I will continue replying without any valid counterargument
>because somehow if someone disagrees with me I rather shitpost myself instead of explaining why that person is wrong
keep giving me (You)s you pretentious little cunts
>>69442053
>not including the /ss/ part of the movie in the best parts
you're a fag aren't you
>>69442084
>I will not acknowledge that I am a huge MCU fan, and posted my DCuck BTFO image in a witch thread
>I-I'm n-not retarded guise!
we know you're retarded anon, you don't have to keep making posts showing that you are
>>69441934
Sure but that's not what I meant. I meant the grain doesn't look like it would have an ergot problem. It looks more like your typical witch induced ruined harvest (which is basically mold?).
That's why I asked if the family identified the problem as an ergot problem? Because I can't remember that they specifically mentioned it. If they really said it, then the movie did a poor job of visually portraying the ergot infestation.
>>69442000
>http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/witches-curse-clues-evidence/1501/
>These and other clues built up into a circumstantial case against ergot that Caporael found impossible to ignore.
Read your own article, and quit wasting trips.
It's a fucking theory. It could also have been teenage girls being fucking retarded, spouting bullshit, and people listening to them. It still happens today. Human retardation doesn't require an excuse like food poisoning.
>>69442084
let me spell it out for your inept ass
give a proper argument on why you found the movie was boring and 2arty and so on and you'll receive a valid counterargument. you can't spout bullshit buzzwords like arty and boring and expecting a fucking proper reply you fucking idiot.
>>69441974
The director said in an interview that they had to use soccer metaphors to coachCaleb's actor in his death scene.What metaphors they used, I have no idea. The child actors were great all around.
>>69441996
I think we catched a glimpse of his theater background in that scenewhere Thomasine killed her mother.After she had done her act, she walked towards the camera, and stood still looking out at the "audience". That felt like a scene in a stage play for me.
>>69442162
>trying to argue with someone who has trips and has sound evidence to back up his claim
your retardation is astounding
>>69442159
>I will continue to imply someone likes capekino just because of a reaction image that triggers me
>I will not bother to explain why that person is wrong
(Me), (Me) and (Me)
>>69442264
>sound evidence
>citing an article that states it's a theory
>this means it's a confirmed reason for the Salem Witch Trials
This is basic logical reasoning, and you're fucking it up.
>>69442159
>>69442084
Stop. Both of you, just stop. None of that here.
>>69442053
I don't really see how the flying with can piss you off that much. It's just showing the reward of her labor, doesn't really glorify it or anything. I do understand why someone would dislike the representation of Satan, even though I quite enjoyed it.
>worst
I found the brother's sin of lust rather overt for a movie that generally did subtlety so well. After he looked at his sister's tits a second time I basically crossed his name off of my mental "living at film's end" list.
>best
Almost everything else. Great acting, plot wasn't predictable, characters underwent interesting changes.
All these shitposting plebeians invading threads of any decent movie released using nothing for criticism except "it was boring and stupid lmao" as well as other buzzwords are the reason why we need a /film/ board,
>>69442274
>capekino
last bait (You) for you anon
>>69442204
Are you implying this movie was not "artsy" or "boring"? shit man you sure want to stick out as a true "kino" lover don't you?
fucking naked bitches suspended in mid air around a bonfire is art now? give me break will ya
also apart from that scene nothing fucking happens except for forced drama and shitty film stundent shots using generic scenery
>inb4 go back to capeshit becuz this is 2 deep 4 u
>>69442400
>then the pieces began to fall into place. Caporael, now a behavioral psychologist at New York’s Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, soon noticed a link between the strange symptoms reported by Salem’s accusers, chiefly eight young women, and the hallucinogenic effects of drugs like LSD. LSD is a derivative of ergot, a fungus that affects rye grain. Ergotism — ergot poisoning — had indeed been implicated in other outbreaks of bizarre behavior, such as the one that afflicted the small French town of Pont-Saint-Esprit in 1951
>Toxicologists now know that eating ergot-contaminated food can lead to a convulsive disorder characterized by violent muscle spasms, vomiting, delusions, hallucinations, crawling sensations on the skin, and a host of other symptoms — all of which, Linnda Caporael noted, are present in the records of the Salem witchcraft trials
>Nearly all of the accusers lived in the western section of Salem village, a region of swampy meadows that would have been prime breeding ground for the fungus
>consumed in the winter of 1691-1692 — when the first unusual symptoms began to be reported — could easily have been contaminated by large quantities of ergot. The summer of 1692, however, was dry, which could explain the abrupt end of the “bewitchments.”
>>69442483
>Drama is now boring
I just don't know any more.
>>69442404
I liked the idea of the shot and it's purpose, just the execution was kind of striking.
The movie managed to create disturbing images of a lot of cliche witch stereotypes but this one just seemed amatourish, it's kinda sad too since a well done shot that manages to make the almost cartoonish witch on broom with the moon in the background image scary would be really cool to see.
Re watching it the film seems to insist on Thomasin being a witch from the start
>>69441974
I thought it was a last moment of blissfulness in God, not satan. It was the last thing he said before he died.
This movie is pretty mediocre. Lingering shots are okay to a point. Dad dying by a goat pointlessly because of movie time limit is uninspired.
>>69442556
Maybe native brits will find this movie more enjoyable because of some folk tales but it's definetely not for everyone.
![El_Aquelarre[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vX7H8Ms.jpg "El_Aquelarre[1].jpg")
>>69442483
>fucking naked bitches suspended in mid air around a bonfire is art now?
Save the flying part, yes.
>>69442528
>quoting all this
>still no evidence that this was the confirmed cause
You really don't seem to understand what the definition of confirmed is. Is it possible that ergot caused it? Yes. Is it confirmed that ergot caused it? Not even close.
>>69441827
Shhhhh, your ruining his delusion.
The witch not being real is the dumbest shit since that one clown who kept trying to say Marla Singer was imagined in Fight Club.
>>69438117
She was never innocent, like all women, that's why there are only witches, females are naturally corrupt.
the woman was the one who corrupted man to do the devil's bidding back in Eden
>>69442670
The mother says something like "The adversary often speak in scripture." Caleb's line delivery was near orgasmic. It could be a mocking speech, if one wants to look at it that way.
>>69441433
>inapprehensible
for you
>>69442483
I know you completely missed the point of the movie because you're fixated on the things that do not matter. The bonfire scene doesn't matter; it's an epilogue to the real story. The changes that the characters undergo are what matter.
It starts off with a resolutely devout family; so devout, in fact, that they choose to leave their community because they think their community isn't devout enough.
Afterward, we see them all slowly fall apart in their steadfast love for God. The baby's sin is original sin, and he wasn't baptized. Caleb's sin is he gives in to lust. The twins are just little shits mostly, and they engage in talking with the goat. The father lies when he sells the cup and then is bad when he locks his own children in the barn. The mother is overcome by rage when she attacks her daughter, and thomasin, if she wasn't already evil, literally makes a deal with the devil.
>>69442631
If she was a witch from the start, she wouldn't need to sign the book at the end.
>>69440688
Why do you post this every thread?
>>69440992
Director said the ergot theory wasn't intentionally but it's neat-o and you could certainly roll with it to make sense of the movie if you wanted to.
>>69442483
Fucking naked bitches around bonfires is p much what the sabbath was imagined to be, the reason why people hated witches so much is because they thought of them as devil worshiping magic power possessing degenerates. I don't really see how you could show that in a flat out non arty way either and already its not like it used a 5 minutes long shot of a suspended chick fucking a broom or anything.
Also I don't really see how the drama is forced or how nothing happens, there is a lot of ground to why the family is falling apart both with the religious aspect, the jealousy of the mother at her daughter's growing sexuality and the fathers inability to support the family and his powerlessness at the situation. I can see how one can think the scenery is generic since it all happens around the same place but it's a movie about scary shit happening at a farm, what do you expect to be the main setting? Not to mention the forest and the farm itself looked authentic and eerie.
Here, baited a serious reply from me.
>>69442688
Well no, it's not for everyone. It's not a movie to watch with friends on a saturday night, but to call it boring is a stretch.
>>69442846
>make a movie about how religion is madness
>instant classic
fedorakino should become a thing and seventh seal should be the first on the list
>>69442670
I felt like the father dying by the goat was his way of basically giving up after seeing his family and life fall apart and his daughter basically spelling out for him he's useless and it's all because of his own pride, there is also the whole thing with him having brought the family to the new world from England where they lived a comfortable life too and his wife quite openly resenting it.
>>69437890
this movie was not a horror movie. it was a period drama
>>69442670
>Dad dying by a goat pointlessly because of movie time limit is uninspired.
>dying by goat
>uninspired
Please do the gene pole a favor and don't reproduce.
>>69442987
I don't think the movie intends to paint religion as madness, but how their own repressive puritan rules backfired, and led them to greater evils. Remember, the family was hardcore puritans, who got kicked out of England, and again kicked out of the colony.
I think all these "its boring and stupid lmao" posts are just people who didn't get or enjoy the movie one bit so they feel like they need to tell everyone how wrong they are for liking it just so they feel less stupid about themselves
>>69442888
I think this movie would have been alot better wihout the horror element. If you want to explore the madness of a disfunctional family you don't fucking add demons and witches to the mix it just does not work.
You will go with expectetions of seeing som spooky shit only to realize you are watching some half assed soap opera with "horror" elements in it.
>>69443179
>people who disagree with me are stoopid
grow up
>>69442987
You really are NOT getting what I'm saying. The change could go in the other direction: characters start out non-believers and end up devout. It's literally not important unless you're highly insecure about your own views of the world. What's important is that characters are given believable reasons to change their opinions within the film. In the witch, the characters are given valid reasons to change.
Is green text all you can do, or do you actually know how to convey an idea? When oldies say texting has destroyed this generation's ability to communicate effectively, I usually say that's bullshit, but you really do make me think there might be some truth to what they're saying.
>>69443184
No dude, you don't get it. It's meant to transport us to a time where people actually thought witches were real. You stupid fucknut.
>>69443184
I don't think Black King Phillip and his band of witches detracted from the core story. The director has a puritan background, and a love for folk tales of old. It seemed to work seamlessy to me.
>>69443184
That's the marketing's fault that you expected jump scare payoffs. The movie works perfectly as it is.
And where do you see the half-assed soap opera if you could explain please? What exactly is half assed in this movie? And where is the soap opera element? Make an actual argument
>>69443289
>I will make some comment on how this form of "texting" is inferior so I can feel better and more "intellegent" about myself
but no seriosly fedorakino should be the next best thing you fit right in
>yfw all the plebs will start praising the movie after RLM praises on video
>>69442737
go back in your time machine and find out autist. There's no way we can confirm the big bang or evolution happened, so they probably didn't happen because no concrete proof
>>69443227
You can not like a movie ofcourse. But saying that "it's boring and stupid" is no valid opinion that someone should take seriously. Same if someone says a movie is great because it is "cool and fun".
>>69443376
Agreed, actually really loved it being in there. You don't often get folk tales elements in movies without it being shlock, probably my favorite part about the movie.
>>69443466
and don't forget the almighty contrarians rising and telling everyone how it is utter dogshit as soon as they hear one normie speak about it in public
>>69443414
>oh no our farm sucks but we can't go back
>our children are going missing what do we do!?
>I know let's just continue staying on this farm like nothing happened
>booo witches and demons and shit
>oh noez!
>everyone gets fucked
pure fucking 100 hit that like button kino
i dont get why did the goat talk?? Goats dont talk irl they said it was based on real life events lol
>>69443466p e r f e c t m o v i e
>>69443618
I mean the children going missing and farm sucking are pretty concrete reasons for drama
Also they couldn't leave, they threw them out of their settlement because of the father's religious edge-lordisms. All they had was that farm, did you even pay attention to the movie?
3/4 of the movie is women nagging and being generally terrible, why is it that so many movies are like that these days ?
>>69443618
they wanted to go back to atleast drop of Thomasin but Caleb took the horse to the woods and no horse anymore. They didn't just stay like nothing happened. The father said he will go on foot and that he will be back in two days. But then shit hit the fan onwards
Try to actually watch the movie next time without checking your facebook news feed
>>69443618
>I didn't like the movie so I will misrepresent everything that happened in a feeble attempt to justify my surface level peasant opinion.
>>69443681
>movie sets up a plot where characters have no other choices not even one
>not being the definition of forced drama
If I make un film about a cat being trapped in a box for 24 hours and how he deals with it will it be considered an instant classic too? I will throw some trippy Lynch style visuals and paranoia to the mix. I mean come one this must be an instant classic for people to praise and speculate about no doubt.
>inb4 muh tales and atomsphere
you don't mix laughable shit they pulled of in that movie with more "serious" dramatic folk tale elements
>>69443846
>yet anothet empty unconstructive comment calling someone a "plebian" this time
how fucking original have a gold star on your ass
>>69443876
its not forced if its a rational and well-reasoned purpose. you're acting like it was the craziest fucking out of nowhere gimmick that some puritans would be kicked out of a town by other puritans.
>>69443432
Impressive. You're stupidity is exceedingly great. My entire point is that "religion is madness" a) isn't really the point of the film and b) can be appreciated just as much as a message of "religion is truth", if it's done well.
>>69440688
almost plausible
i don't think it was her. there was no allusion that it was. the first scene in the film may be a clue, but it's really vague.
>>69443876
>Brother chose to fuck the witch
>Father chose to lie about the cup
>Mother chose to try to kill thomasin
>Father chose to lock kids in barn
>Thomasin chose to make deal with devil
REALLY NOW, be honest. Have you watched the movie?
>>69443876
Yes! The movie would have been great if William had the opportunity to run just a mile back to the colony. There he could have gathered a regiment of the royal red coats to march into the forest and murder the witch by firing squad.
>>69443876
>movie sets up a plot where characters have no other choices not even one
>movies starts with a father being in a hearing where he gets the choice to abide by their rules or being all self-righteous and leave
Did you even watch the movie?
>>69443938
>Impressive
You fedora fell off pick it up
>My entire point is that "religion is madness" a) isn't really the point of the film and b) can be appreciated just as much as a message of "religion is truth", if it's done well.
what is the point then? the "decide yorself" card so you can suck off eachother with new theories by creating threads like this one?
>inb4 you just don't get it what a pleb bla bla
>>69440518
I really hate the "everyone was crazy" interpretation. Not only is it boring, it just doesn't make sense
It'd be different if the movie was told 100% through Thomasin's eyes, but everyone saw Caleb spit up the apple. The gun pointed at the rabbit malfunctioned, and Caleb was there to see it and help take care of his dad. I don't think there's anything in the movie to make it seem like it was all a hallucination.
>>69443523
>comparing a historical event to something like the big bang
Various circumstantial pieces of evidence doesn't confirm something, faglord. "It was the right time of the year for ergot to grow." Doesn't mean that ergot was growing, the people of Salem ate it, and that's what caused the Salem Witch Trials. It's not a theory that can be verified at all with any present evidence. That's why you shouldn't say it's confirmed that ergot caused it.
Your retardation is extremely triggering.
>>69444194
Didn't mean that as a reply to just one person, but it was the first I saw. I know it's an argument that goes through ever Witch thread
>>69444168
>what is the point then?
>inb4 you just don't get it what a pleb bla bla
I saw this movie yesterday and was having chills when Caleb is dying and then my gf says literally.
>so he became a faggot at the end
I was so close to slapping her face, there are people so dense that can't enjoy or immerse on a solid acting.
Do a favour and please put attention if your a watching this, it's a real solid movie.
>>69444022
>movies starts with a father being in a hearing where he gets the choice to abide by their rules or being all self-righteous and leave
He didin't because this film is shit and it was written that way so you end up with no choices. The plot is limiting itself so it can create the necessary drama which just feels forced considering their situation.
>hurr I disagree with muh colony despite knowing the risks
>so much drama
>it's falling out of the writers ass all over the script
>>69444318
yeah, best scene in the movie.
>>69442483
>>69442483
You have a very superficial and simplistic way of thinking.
>>69444234
Exact same shit modern artist would pull on anyone
>man look at that piece of shit it's so deep
>you just don't get it's folk tales, religion, mental illness and shrooms and shit
Your little "horror" movie is neither "horror" nor a "movie"
>>69444372
What is your thinking then you limp wristed faggot?
>>69444342
No, you fucking retard. The father gets thrown out because of his pridefulness (a deadly sin). He fails to see this. Just like you. He gets killed for it. And seriously, so should you.
It always amazes me that people are proud to blatantly display their utter stupidity and lack of self awareness.
You didn't get it. It's ok. Move along. Go watch some capeshit.
>>69441001
these books are just propaganda to make us think there's no such thing as magic.
meanwhile the world is ruled by those who know the ancient dark arts.
>>69444342
So the plot has to be an openworld game like skyrim or some shit???
It's inherent to his character that he's stubborn and unwavering.
>>69444342
>this post
>Yea! It's SO unrealistic that people got this worked up over a teensy weensy little religion. No one ever DIED cuz of religion, guys. It's [current year - 400], guys! Come on!
Decisions like that are completely realistic for that time period, dumbass.
>The plot is limiting itself so it can create the necessary drama
Point me to a plot that doesn't. Please, do it.
>>69444168
Why don't you tell me, what is the "point" of your favorite movie? Obviously, it will have a single clear message because "decide yourself" is completely unacceptable.
>>69444342
Are you by any chance american?
Your way of thinking is 100% of a stereotypical dude lmao bro.
>>69444342
I can't even begin to comprehend what you are thinking. Well what if William had yielded to the council, they stayed in the colony, and the movie took a different turn all together. Wouldn't you still be here bitching that he yielded instead of facing exile?
He took his exile, and to the audience this defined his character.
>>69444342
>yfw 1 lost normie is triggering the whole of /tv/ with his normie reasoning
>>69444455
I never claimed it was a horror. It's a thriller with horror elements.
This is why you are butthurt. You wanted brain dead schlock horror, but instead you got a well crafted piece of art.
Now get the fuck out of here.
>>69444502
>movies starts with a father being in a hearing where he gets the choice to abide by their rules or being all self-righteous and leave
>The father gets thrown out because of his pridefulness
So the plot gives him no choice after all thus the drama follows and all because "muh sins this is all we got naw". I bet the writer is fresh out of the boat and you would gladly suck his dick while throwing some capeshit argument at anyone disagreeing with your pretentious opinions.
You move along you PBR can sucker.
>the witch is full of subtle nuance and exposé
no, it's just a horror film. the lowest tier of film. there are no secret messages or hidden meanings. it's just a film about a witch who murders a family of heathens. it's literally that simple
>>69444556
Trapping the whole family with the plot elements is shit writing.
>bbbuuut they had no choice!
>muh drama
>>69444810
>>69444735
10/10, you hooked us all.
>>69444695
>but instead you got a well crafted piece of art.
holee fucking shit I almost shit myself there for a second
>>69444735
>So the plot gives him no choice.
Dude, this is literally saying "I don't know what a plot is."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plot_%28narrative%29
>Plot refers to the sequence of events inside a story which affect other events through the principle of cause and effect. The causal events of a plot can be thought of as a series of sentences linked by "and so." Plots can vary from simple structures such as in a traditional ballad to complex interwoven structures sometimes referred to as an imbroglio. The term plot can serve as a verb and refer to a character planning future actions in the story.
The father wants to be a fucking preacher 24/7, the town wants him to stop it or leave. It would make no sense for him to want to stop preaching so he gets thrown out.
>>69444342
lol
>>69444735
oh lol
>Movie depicting characters making choices have shit writing
Top kek
Does a movie exist where a character is making any decisions at all, like a certain anon is suggesting?
>>69444905
You market your shit as some high art horror you better keep it real but then again maybe the director himself just made a movie without any expectations and faggots like you are blowing it out of proportions as "high art"
>>69445037
oh no
is not*
>>69445038
>you better keep it real
>>69444955
>following the industry standard in writing "look at dis boor family exile on a farm and going mad too!"
>then proceed to market it as a horror movie
>when in reality it's just some cheap half assed drama
and that's why this movie is generic shit and far from instant classic now go kys
>>69445038
>>69444735
When's the last time a character did something differently in a movie the second time you watched it? Asking for my friend, Multiple Universes; he's really interested. Another one of my friends, Physical Law, doesn't believe you.
>>69444962
>>69445012
>>69445113
10 out of fucking 10 posts right there you sure fucking showed me there
I feel so stupid now woooow
>>69445158
you have literately not seen the movie faggot, nor have you read the fucking thread since you'd know then the movie avoids the le loog their goin mad meme like the plague
literately go to reddit
>>69445158
No you fucktard. The industry knows that high art isn't attractive to plebs so they trick them by selling it as a horror.
Go back to plebbit red.
>>69445191
good
>>69445191
I know you don't, but you really should.
>>69445164
it's not about alternate universe it's about forcing the drama you faggot that family could have avoided many things but they didn't why? because of shit writing that was done countless time before. How can you consider something this generic an instant classic?
>>69441103
That goat is kind of cute, I'll admit
>>69445295
Name me one thing that's generic about it.
The characters weren't generic.
The witches weren't generic.
The depiction of the devil wasn't generic.
The accent wasn't generic.
The religion wasn't generic.
The time period wasn't generic.
The plot wasn't generic.
The cinematography wasn't generic.
Do you even know what that word means?
Reminder no one who dislikes The Witch will answer >>69444589 because they realize the "criticisms" they apply to it go for literally all good movies.
>>69445215
>>69445209
oh look the
>back to rebbit
cockmunchers arrived how fucking original.
You know what? this entire board is so fucking high art and original that you have at least 10 capeshit threads on the front page and then you expect people to take you serious?
>>69445295
I'm not going to try defending this movie as high art or anything like other people are, but I did like the movie. I just want to point out that just because a story or piece of entertainment does something that's been done doesn't automatically make it shit. That's kind of why people like the movie so much is that it is deliberately retelling a classic tale in as clean and as straightforward a way as can be done. I feel like you hate the people who like this movie more than you hate the movie itself.
>>69445295
Here's a script where everybody makes the right decisions
>William yields to the council
>Samuel stays safe inside the walled village
>Caleb finds another girl to safely explore his teenage urges
>The twins go to a school and are not raised as little shits
>Nobody has any reason to steal the silver cup, the mother does not go crazy
They all live happily ever after
>>69445295
Generic? How generic is cast that's mostly children? How generic is showing a baby getting mashed to bits? How generic is showing a girl kill her mother?
Tell me what is generic about it. You know, just simple words. No greentext, just tell me, in your own words, what is in this film.
>>69445458
Oh, yes. Let's judge individuals by what happens on a board they have little to no control over.
Seriously dude. Please go kill yourself.
You've proven you know nothing about movies, use retarded logic in order to defend your stupid asinine opinions and judge people by the board they are on rather than the arguments they use.
Fuck off and die.
>>69445295
>False flagging to make the movie seem better than it is
Nobody can be this retarded
>>69445477
Early 1600's sitcom when, exactly?
*KNOCKKNOCKKNOCKKNOCK*
"William, wouldst you open the door? Of now, I maketh thread for the children's garments on the loom."
"Wench, thou shalt not make demands of the patriarch of this household of the lord our God. Thomasin, go to the door!"
"But father! Mother hath said I would have time to place flowers upon my dress this night before the picnic at school tomorrow."
"Wench, thou shalt not impress a single soul of the town with thy physical traits. Thou shalt go as plainly as the cup from which Jesus CHrist our savior drank his drink!"
>>69444589
>>69445429
Sorry I had to fend of like 30 of you little art house princesses that I had no time to reply to everyone but let's see here
>Decisions like that are completely realistic for that time period, dumbass.
Getting fucking stabbed by a goat to death is realistic?
Some fucking naked creepy bitch flying on top of the shed is realistic?
Deciding to stay despite losing family members left and right is realistic?
>Point me to a plot that doesn't. Please, do it.
for someone acting as some hardened 2 deep 4 u kino expert you sure have shit taste if you think that cliche "dying off one by one" horror element is an "instant classic" now.
if you want to mix laughable demons and witches with more serious drama don't fucking cry if someone disagrees with your pleb opinions.
>>69445767
Sounds like some terrible "alt comedy" show Adult Swim would put on
Point me exactly where and when my opinion was wrong again i'm getting drowned in (You)s here.
>You've proven you know nothing about movies, use retarded logic in order to defend your stupid asinine opinions and judge people by the board they are on rather than the arguments they use.
Prove me that YOU know something about movies because apart from plebbit posting and random "lols" you just look like another shitposter to me in which case fuck off and die yourself bitch.
>>69445940
meant for
>>69445546
>>69445768
>Getting fucking stabbed by a goat to death is realistic?
The guy is literally starving to death. It's not that far fetched.
>Some fucking naked creepy bitch flying on top of the shed is realistic?
So... you have a problem with any movie that incorporates fantasy elements.
>Deciding to stay despite losing family members left and right is realistic?
They want to stay even after the baby is gone. After Caleb is gone they're waiting for him. Once he dies, they're supposed to go back the next morning, but everyone dies before that can happen. Also during all this the father is resolute until that last day that no witch is afoot. He thinks it's just him versus the elements, not him versus literal devil/witch.
Seriously, person, just give me the name of a movie that doesn't commit the EGREGIOUS errors that The Witch does. That's all I'm asking for.
>>69445768
>>Decisions like that are completely realistic for that time period, dumbass.
>Getting fucking stabbed by a goat to death is realistic?
>Some fucking naked creepy bitch flying on top of the shed is realistic?
These aren't decisions by the characters you idiot.
>Deciding to stay despite losing family members left and right is realistic?
They lost a baby. Not really a reason to leave.
They lost their boy. They suspect Thomasin at first so moving made no sense.
The twins get lost in the last act when it's already too late.
You try real hard to seem smart but to anyone who's actually smart, you just seem dumb by even trying.
>cliche "dying off one by one" horror element
Except when people die simultaneously in an explosion. People tend to die off one by one.
What the fuck did you want? No really.
This is a serious question? How did you want the family to die? Together? Like the twins?
See, what you're saying makes no sense at all.
You act like this was a generic slasher movie when it clearly wasn't. Stop trying. You're only digging a deeper hole for yourself and anyone reading this will see it.
>>69445768
>Getting fucking stabbed by a goat to death is realistic?
Cows kill more people than sharks each year, but there isn't a movie called Udders, is there?
>>69437890
Wanted to like it, but
>That old english
I suppose it would've been good if they had better actors, but Christ I could barely understand a word they were saying, and it just sounded goofy as hell. The main chick was the only non-shit actor in the movie.
Who /livingdeliciously/ here
>>69446178
>there isn't a movie called Udders, is there?
I... I would watch that.
>>69446241
it's early modern english, actually
>>69446002
That's why I cringe everytime someone calls ANYTHING an instant classic. This movie has some generic shit mixed with some creative things here and there but an fucking "instant classic"? far far from it.
>>69446002
>He still won't offer up a movie he appreciates
>>69445767
[Thomasine goes to open the door to findeth Black Phillip, the family goat.]
"Baaaaaaah. "
"What hath happened to thy fur, Phillip! It is all a mess!"
"...Baaaaaah. "
"Somebody hast to quaint up phillip ere the goat beauty pageant tomorrow. Thomasine. maketh haste!"
"But father, all mine own acquintances art going to the school picnic the present day! i has't to be thither!"
"Silence daughter, thy duties cometh ere desires. "
"Thou art the worst father ever!"
[Thomasine storms out of the room. Cut to intro music]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zx3Zo9t7c8Q&feature=youtu.be&t=49s
>>69442000
There is no confirmation on History. It doesn't work that way.
Guys he's trolling you into the ground stop replying.
>>69446543
I wish he was trolling. I'm 99% sure he's not.
>>69446568
Then you're arguing with someone so stupid I'm surprised they've solved this many captchas.
>>69440297
Wow a horror movie based on fiction rather than historical accuracy!
holy shit!
>>69446568
Does it make a difference at this point? He's clearly intransigent and not going to budge. Whether he's a troll or not, you're wasting your time.
>>69446166
>They lost a baby. Not really a reason to leave.
>They lost their boy. They suspect Thomasin at first so moving made no sense.
>moving made no sense
Of course not because if you live a misarble fucking existance and your family is being killed off you will just stay put as if nothing happened because "muh pride" "muh sins" this so fucking stupid you can't make this shit up.
>You try real hard to seem smart but to anyone who's actually smart, you just seem dumb by even trying.
and you think you will appear as "smart" if you keep replying on something you consider dumb? If you think I'm some sort of a retarded shitposter why keep elaborating these post then? Move along Einstein.
>Except when people die simultaneously in an explosion. People tend to die off one by one.
You just confirmed my claims here. THIS is why this movie is so generic. How about a movie where people don't die for instance or maybe someone dies but when you least expect it? Oh that's right that would be to original would it because if it's "horror" then "someone have to die" and the creepier it is the better because we want that jumpscare audience in here.
>You act like this was a generic slasher movie when it clearly wasn't. Stop trying.
But it is a generic slasher movie if you start out fine and end up with almost everyone dead you dumbfuck.
>inb4 it must be a killer or else it doesn't count hurr
>>69446543
Asking him to offer a movie that doesn't have a plot that "gives him no choice" has seemed to shut him up.
>>69445416
generic isnt the right word, boring and predictable is the right word. It's like someone smashed The Crucible and Blair Witch Project.
It's technically well executed, but watching 6 people playing the blaming game for an hour does not make good horror, the script is it's weakest point and is way to drawn out, it just isnt interesting enough for a 1 and a half hour movie.
It's a good looking movie, but nothing outstanding, the director is a production designer and it shows in the movie. It was made with good intentions as a horror movie without jumpscares, but one of it's biggest flaws is that it never manages to create any sort of atmosphere.
Its a great showpiece that may land the director more jobs and I hope it does because he has potential, but it simply doesnt reach any highs at all.
>>69442846
i think crowtits' sin wasn't so much wrath as envy. she was jelly of thomasin's beauty and thought she would steal away her husbands affections
>>69440688
>durr hurr explain everything by hallucinations even though that's not how hallucinations work at all
They wouldn't all share the same hallucination if they were under the effects of hallucinogens you retard. they wouldn't all see an apple come from his mouth, would they?
Trying to seem deep and making yourself look like an idiot.
>>69446711
>But it is a generic slasher movie if you start out fine and end up with almost everyone dead you dumbfuck.
Tarentino makes great slasher movies.
>>69446711
Please, anon, just tell me your favorite movie. Tell me a movie with a non-deterministic plot that doesn't force its character to do anything.
>>69446769
She has some line about remembering the time she was Thomasin's age, now that I think of it.
>>69446271
right here bro
>>69446711
>family is being killed off
But they're not being "killed off" to him until the end. Baby gets lost and so does Caleb. All your posts are showing is that you lack the ability to pay attention. Take some aderall and watch the movie again, simplefriend.
Just watched this.
I like how the boy was seemingly brought into the arms of Jesus and finding paradise after death, opposed to Lucifer who offers worldly pleasure and nothing but suffering after death.
9/10 movie
would of been 10/10 if they showed her tits.
>>69443580
lmao that nigga at the bottom
>aint none of my business
>>69441694
>>69441555
I watched the movie on rainierland and there was only a side-ways shot of her walking naked through he woods. never a shot of her from behind like I've seen sometimes posted in these threads.
was it part of a different release that got cut from the wider-release version?
I actually thought it looked really silly how all the shots of her walking naked through the woods showed this woman with massively developed glutes as though Tomasin was somehow a bodybuilder who did an hour of squats and donkeykicks everyday.
It was distracting and spoiled the immersion in favour of some lurid fanservice.
Would have been beter if they got a woman who actually looked as though she could possibly be a 14 year old girl walking through hte woods
>>69440695
>broom ointment
What did he mean by this?
>>69446785
>Tell me a movie with a non-deterministic plot that doesn't force its character to do anything.
Eraserhead
Gummo
Comedy
How did the dad build a 2 story house by himself in like a day?
That's the biggest plot hole.
what?
Did they just magically find a farm?
>>69446864
That was likely the devil fucking with them senpai.
>>69446945
A long time passed from getting kicked out to when you see them on the farm.
>>69446945
a year passed after they left their city
>>69446711
>Of course not because if you live a misarble fucking existance and your family is being killed off you will just stay put as if nothing happened because "muh pride" "muh sins" this so fucking stupid you can't make this shit up.
They suspected the killer was their daughter, there is no reason to move. There is a reason to send her away. Which what they intended to do.
It's almost like you haven't watched the movie at all.
>THIS is why this movie is so generic.
You really don't know what this word means do you? People dying one by one literally happens in every movie where more than one person dies. It's like saying "characters breathing is so generic".
>How about a movie where people don't die for instance
Watch straight up dramas/comedies. There are plenty of movies where nobody dies.
So your solution would be to turn a horror into a drama for it to not be "generic". GENIUS.
You're literally retarded and I'm done now. I regret wasting my time talking to you.
>>69446849
>movie shows how some ugly looking bitch uses the child in some ritual like 10 - 15 minutes in
>But they're not being "killed off" until the end gais
>The baby gets lost!
>Take some aderall and watch the movie again, simplefriend.
Shit you just replied to yourself there
>>69446958
I don't think so.
In the movie if the devil exists then God exists. The boy questions if he would go to heaven because of his age and the father assures him that he is to young to be judged.
It's likely that Jesus did save him as he would be battling the Devil over the farm.
Just how I interpreted it.
>>69446945
>In a day
>>69446894
The witch turns children into paste. When smeared onto her body and broom, it grants her the power of delicious flight.
>>69447052
>It's likely that Jesus did save him as he would be battling the Devil over the farm.
m8 where the fuck did you get this from? God or any benevolent force makes no appearance.
Honestly reading The Witch threads makes me realize how stupid a lot of people on this board are.
>>69447128
Did you like the film anon? Why/ why not?
>>69446907
Doesn't Eraserhead force Jack Dance to take care of the monster baby? Isn't it forced if it's, you know, in the script? I don't know about those other two.
>>69447099
>people flying
What..
>>69447188
They were pretty obviously flyinng with evil satan magic dude. That said, I think caleb was redeemed before he died
Did the mother become a witch?
The devil asks her to read this book and she says "In a minute , I have to feed your brother"
then when it cuts back it shows her laughing loudly the same way that Tomasin starts laughing when she joins the coven of witches.
But if the mother agreed to become a witch why did she behave mostly normally the next day?
>>69447020
>So your solution would be to turn a horror into a drama for it to not be "generic". GENIUS.
But this movie IS drama with horror sprinkled on top of it as a matter of fact >>69444695 people confirm it right in this fucking THREAD you dumbfucks start to contradict yourselves.
>>69447235
He got rekt for lusting for his sister.
>>69447269
Thriller =/= drama.
Do you even understand the difference between these genres? Dude please. Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>69447261
My thinking was that the devil sort of had one position available, so he made/ allowed the mum and thomasin duke it out for the top spot. He probably favoured thom though cause she was hotter/ she had basically been his target since the start imo
>>69447297
wrong pic although it could be interpreted in that way
>>69446907
Gummo has no significant plot.
Eraserhead's plot is moved forward by the creature settling inside X.
So why did Spencer let her move into his apartment?
>muh I'm the father of the child
Why did he wait to kill the creature?
Because the script says that's what happens.
Also, it's some great irony that you don't accept "decide yourself" (>>69444168) while Lynch suggests the audience do exactly that with Eraserhead:
>Well, you know, it’s difficult to say. I always say the same thing: Every viewer is different. People go into a world and they have an experience, and they bring so much of what makes them react, it’s already inside of them. Each viewer gets a different thing from every film.
>>69447036
no i didn't
>>69446991
>>69446993
then the question becomes
how did the father build a 2-story house by himself?
how did they bring enough supplies to eat on one wagon for tehm to survive while he set up the farm and waited for the first harvest?
what did they eat while he was building a 2-storey house by himself?
>>69447261
I don't know if she ever got to reading the book. I think she needed to be "released" from her family to become a witch. But she could not let go of the memory of Caleb or Samuel. She went insane instead.
>>69447261
The parents were hypocrites and relied on mindless Dogma and prayer instead of actually internalizing their sin. So they were slaughtered.
Celeb was saved because of his age.
Thomasin was innocent but neutral. The favorite prey of the Devil because he wants her to choose worldly pleasures, power and turn against God. Making her into his own image.
>>69447020
>You really don't know what this word means do you? People dying one by one literally happens in every movie where more than one person dies. It's like saying "characters breathing is so generic".
Again you confirmed it yourself
>People dying one by one literally happens in every movie where more than one person dies.
>literally happens in every movie where
and then proceed to tell me this is not considered "generic"?
>>69447261
The mother did not become a witch. She was offered the book but refused, which is why the baby changed into a crow.
>>69447297
what was his plan?
Why did he need to retrieve the trap in order for thomasin to stay?
>>69447235
It's left up to the imagination of the viewer.
>>69447431
Wow, you're dense.
>people dying one by one is generic
>give me a movie where this doesn't happen
>a movie where nobody dies
That's you.
You could have said: Movies with humans are generic. And you'd be right. It doesn't make a good argument for a movie to be bad. You fucking tardfest.
>>69447436
we don't see her refuse, she says something like "In a minute I need to feed your brother"
then the shot cuts away
then when it cuts back she is laughing hysterically.
which is signified to be the sign of joining the coven of the devil in the last scene.
>>69447383
I mean he was definately lusting after his sister at several points, I just thought that he was forgiven before his death (as shown by his religeous ecstasy) I get that that could also look like a blasphemous, mocking thing as well though
